cops execute man in hotel hallway live on camera

[Trill Clinton]

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On 18 January 2016, Mesa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa,_Arizona) Police Department officer Philip Brailsford, age 26, shot and killed 26-year-old Daniel Shaver of Granbury, Texas. Shaver was allegedly in possession of an air rifle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rifle) while he was staying at a La Quinta Inns & Suites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Quinta_Inns_%26_Suites) hotel. Hotel guests near the pool notified the front desk that someone was pointing a rifle out a fifth floor window. The hotel immediately notified the police. Following an investigation, Brailsford was charged with second-degree murder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-degree_murder). Controversy emerged surrounding the release of body camera (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_worn_video) footage of the event.


Incident
According to a police report, Daniel Shaver, a pest-control worker and resident of Granbury, Texas, had been staying at a Mesa La Quinta Inn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Quinta_Inns_%26_Suites) on business. He invited two acquaintances to his room for drinks. There he showed them a scoped air rifle he was using to exterminate birds inside grocery stores. At one point the gun was pointed outside his hotel window, prompting a witness to notify the front desk; the police were immediately called. Upon arrival, police gave Shaver and his acquaintances detailed orders for various minutes, with frequent admonitions that failing to comply with them would get them shot. Eventually, Shaved was ordered to crawl on the floor towards them. While complying with their request, Shaver, who was intoxicated and could be heard sobbing, begging officers, "Please don't shoot," made several hand motions towards his waist, apparently to pull his shorts up. An officer warned Shaver that if he kept reaching for his waist, they would shoot.

When Shaver reached for his waist again, Brailsford yelled “Don't!” before shooting Shaver five times in the back and neck with an AR-15 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15) rifle. Shaver was unarmed.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver#cite_note-NY_Daily1-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver#cite_note-Observer1-2)

Aftermath
In early March 2016, Brailsford was charged with second-degree murder in relation to the incident.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver#cite_note-3) Later that month, the Mesa police department, citing several policy violations that included the profane language "YOU'RE F
CKED" custom engraved into his rifle dust cover[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver#cite_note-4) and unsatisfactory performance, fired Brailsford.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver#cite_note-5)[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver#cite_note-6)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver#cite_note-7) Brailsford pleaded not guilty.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver#cite_note-8)

The prosecution and defense have interviewed 34 witnesses, but key witness Monique Portillo has not cooperated with any requests for interviews. Portillo, who had been drinking in Shaver's room with Shaver and a co-worker, exited the hotel room with Shaver when commanded by police to enter the hallway.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver#cite_note-azcentral-02-2017-9)

Body camera footage
Shaver's wife, Laney Sweet, and her lawyer requested that the Mesa Police Department release body-cam footage of the event.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver#cite_note-Observer1-2)The request for the body-cam footage was initially refused. In a recording released by Sweet, purportedly of a meeting between her and Maricopa County (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricopa_County,_Arizona) prosecutors, Sweet was told that she could watch the video only if she agreed not to discuss its contents with the press.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver#cite_note-NY_Daily1-1) Prosecutors and defense attorneys in Brailsford's murder trial asked that the body-cam footage be sealed. Maricopa County Superior Court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Superior_Court) Judge Sam Myers accepted the motion to seal the footage.[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver#cite_note-10)

On 25 May 2016, Myers ordered portions of the video released. The released video omits the shooting itself. The edited version includes footage from Brailsford's body camera up to the time when someone exits Shaver's hotel room and footage from another officer's camera while he escorts a woman from the hotel. In accordance with arguments from Brailsford, prosecutors, and Shaver's parents, the court order bars the public release of the encounter between officers and Shaver until Brailsford's case is resolved in order to protect Brailsford's right to a fair trial.[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver#cite_note-11)

Trial
Brailsford's trial for second degree murder was originally scheduled for February 2017. A defense motion challenging the state's probable cause to send the case to trial, and appeals to the Arizona Supreme Court over the release of controversially redacted footage from Brailsford's body camera, made a February trial unrealistic. On 10 February 2017, Maricopa County Superior Court Judge George Foster rescheduled the trial for 23 October 2017.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver#cite_note-azcentral-02-2017-9)

and...

PHOENIX (AP) - Philip Brailsford has been found not guilty of second degree murder and reckless manslaughter, in the trial of a hotel guest's shooting death nearly two years ago.

[DeadlyDynasty]

That's a sweet gun

[Chucho]

That's a sweet gun
:lmao

[SpursforSix]

Sucks.

But he was pointing a gun with a scope out of a window. That's pretty fucking dumb. Maybe he was drunk but if he hadn't bee doing that shit, he wouldn't have put himself in a position to get shot.

[Trill Clinton]

Sucks.

But he was pointing a gun with a scope out of a window. That's pretty fucking dumb. Maybe he was drunk but if he hadn't bee doing that shit, he wouldn't have put himself in a position to get shot.

he was drunk. you never played with a toy gun when you had a few drinks?

[dabom]

That's murder. How no cop goes and detains the guy is fucking retarded.

[SpursforSix]

he was drunk. you never played with a toy gun when you had a few drinks?

Playing with a toy gun is way different than pointing a scoped gun out of a hotel window.

[Spurtacular]

The Police State.

[dabom]

Playing with a toy gun is way different than pointing a scoped gun out of a hotel window.

It don't fucking matter what he doing. Can't you see the guy is laying on his fucking stomach with his legs crossed and hands out?

That's fucking murder and the cops didn't even bother to charge him for manslaughter. This was an easy case.

[Trill Clinton]

the cop wanted him to crawl towards him with his legs crossed and his hands in the air. he was out for blood that nighthttp://i66.tinypic.com/20hv72v.jpg

[boutons_deux]

magic 5 words, NEVER fail: "I Feared For My Life"

[Trill Clinton]

Playing with a toy gun is way different than pointing a scoped gun out of a hotel window.

just playing devils advocatehttp://i64.tinypic.com/2j5h02.jpg

he was unarmed when the cops approached him.

[SpursforSix]

It don't fucking matter what he doing. Can't you see the guy is laying on his fucking stomach with his hands crossed and hands out?

That's fucking murder and the cops didn't even bother to charge him for manslaughter. This was an easy case.

From the cop's point of view, he's a dude that was just pointing a gun out the window of a hotel and keeps reaching at his waist.

Not saying the cop didn't fuck up. But Shaver did some dumb shit while drinking. And unfortunately, when that involves guns, things can go bad very quickly.

[dabom]

From the cop's point of view, he's a dude that was just pointing a gun out the window of a hotel and keeps reaching at his waist.

Not saying the cop didn't fuck up. But Shaver did some dumb shit while drinking. And unfortunately, when that involves guns, things can go bad very quickly.

No. I don't think you fucking get it. As soon as he has his fucking stomach on the fucking ground. His hands sparsed out, and his legs crossed. He is no longer a fucking threat. You got that shit faggot?

[SpursforSix]

just playing devils advocatehttp://i64.tinypic.com/2j5h02.jpg

he was unarmed when the cops approached him.

I know. But see my post above. They're responding to a call of a guy pointing a rifle out of a hotel window. And he keeps reaching for his waist.

That being said, the cop shot him several times with an AR-15. And that cop had "You're Fucked" on his gun cover.

Sounds like someone who shouldn't be a cop. But my point is, if you start pointing a gun out of a window, you're asking for trouble.

[SpursforSix]

No. I don't think you fucking get it. As soon as he has his fucking stomach on the fucking ground. His hands sparsed out, and his legs crossed. He is no longer a fucking threat. You got that shit faggot?

Uh...he kept reaching for his waist when he was told not to. Again, I'm not absolving the cop. But Shaver did some stupid shit.

[DeadlyDynasty]

just playing devils advocatehttp://i64.tinypic.com/2j5h02.jpg

he was unarmed when the cops approached him.

Did they know he was unarmed?

[dabom]

Uh...he kept reaching for his waist when he was told not to. Again, I'm not absolving the cop. But Shaver did some stupid shit.

He already had 100% control of the situation already.

You going down in my book with this republican shill shit.

[dabom]

I just tried walking on my knees and hands up and my knees were hurting like crazy. Probably made it 2 feet before I "moved". This guy is a fucking murderer.

[SpursforSix]

He already had 100% control of the situation already.

You going down in my book with this republican shill shit.

Did you watch the video? He's not on his stomach when he got shot. He's on his knees and reaches back toward his waist.

[baseline bum]

How the fuck is that not murder?

[monosylab1k]

Did they know he was unarmed?

Yeah, they might have sent the Blind Cop Unit out to take care of this.

[dabom]

Did you watch the video? He's not on his stomach when he got shot. He's on his knees and reaches back toward his waist.

Because the fucking cop told him you stupid fuck. Try crawling on your fucking knees with hands up for 10 feet and come back to me if you don't move.

[dabom]

My knees were fucking hurting after 2 feet. And the cop got mad when the old fella couldn't keep his hands up and needed assistance from his hands.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Yeah, they might have sent the Blind Cop Unit out to take care of this.

Blind Justice baby

[Trill Clinton]

Did they know he was unarmed?

good questionhttp://i63.tinypic.com/2cna6gg.png

[monosylab1k]

Blind Justice baby

:lol

[SpursforSix]

My knees were fucking hurting after 2 feet. And the cop got mad when the old fella couldn't keep his hands up and needed assistance from his hands.

I don't know what protocol is.

Seems like once he was originally on the ground with his hands stretched out, the cop could have moved in and gotten behind him.

But I don't know what they're trained to do. Very sad. But again, being drunk and pointing a gun out the window is going to put you in a shitty situation.

The reality is that sometimes, a confluence of bad circumstances comes together and result in a terrible outcome. 1) drunk guy 2) pointing a scoped gun out of a window 3) reaching to pull up his pants 4) hair trigger cop

[dabom]

I don't know what protocol is.

Seems like once he was originally on the ground with his hands stretched out, the cop could have moved in and gotten behind him.

But I don't know what they're trained to do. Very sad. But again, being drunk and pointing a gun out the window is going to put you in a shitty situation.

The reality is that sometimes, a confluence of bad circumstances comes together and result in a terrible outcome. 1) drunk guy 2) pointing a scoped gun out of a window 3) reaching to pull up his pants 4) hair trigger cop

They are trained to restrain the guy once he's not a threat. The cop escalated the situation that led to this man's murder. The cops even think it was a cut and dry case that they didn't even need to charge him for manslaughter. They went higher than that.

[SpursforSix]

They are trained to restrain the guy once he's not a threat. The cop escalated the situation that led to this man's murder. The cops even think it was a cut and dry case that they didn't even need to charge him for manslaughter. They went higher than that.

You don't know what the fuck their training protocol is. Maybe we both have a vague idea but neither of us knows the specifics. I'm pretty sure their are some steps that the cops are instructed to go through.

In any event...say it was you in the cop's position

You're coming up on someone who was reported as just pointing a scoped gun out of a window. And he seems pretty damn unstable. He reaches back toward his waist. Are you going to wait to see if he pulls a gun out a gun?

[Xevious]

Is there a reason they didn't restrain him while he was on the ground?

[dabom]

You don't know what the fuck their training protocol is. Maybe we both have a vague idea but neither of us knows the specifics. I'm pretty sure their are some steps that the cops are instructed to go through.

In any event...say it was you in the cop's position

You're coming up on someone who was reported as just pointing a scoped gun out of a window. And he seems pretty damn unstable. He reaches back toward his waist. Are you going to wait to see if he pulls a gun out a gun?

If I'm by myself I probably shoot him.

If I had other cops with me, and I already had him on his fucking stomach down with hands out and feet crossed. 100000% of the fucking time, I take him in alive.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Is there a reason they didn't restrain him while he was on the ground?

I think they were neutralizing the girl first

[SpursforSix]

If I'm by myself I probably shoot him.

If I had other cops with me, and I already had him on his fucking stomach down with hands out and feet crossed. 100000% of the fucking time, I take him in alive.

Seems like a good plan. But again, the reason they have protocol is to avoid situations where the cops have to make subjective calls.

Unfortunately, in this case, it seems like it was a bit extreme.

What they should have done is have another cop on the roof and have him repel down the building and bust in the window at the end of the hall and subdue the perp.

[Trill Clinton]

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damn, daniel didn't stand a chance. dweeb cop covered in tats, tactical gear and his special rifle...he wasn't going to let daniel make it to the morning

[TSA]

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damn, daniel didn't stand a chance. dweeb cop covered in tats, tactical gear and his special rifle...he wasn't going to let daniel make it to the morning

Yeah that is the look of dude itching to pull the trigger first chance he gets. Glad he didn't get off.

[baseline bum]

Yeah that is the look of dude itching to pull the trigger first chance he gets. Glad he didn't get off.

He did get off.

[Splits]

#AllLivesMatter

[boutons_deux]

Law enforcement attracts sadistic sickos, and/or creates them, wife beaters, too

[Pavlov]

Yeah that is the look of dude itching to pull the trigger first chance he gets. Glad he didn't get off.


He did get off.Now you see why I asked if you read the whole article, TSA.

[TSA]

He did get off.

re-read it and saw he was charged with 2nd, not convicted. That is some fucked up shit.

[Splits]

Now you see why I asked if you read the whole article, TSA.


re-read it

:lmao

[baseline bum]

re-read it and saw he was charged with 2nd, not convicted. That is some fucked up shit.

You should get the needle for putting five in a man on the ground begging for his life. What a disgrace this faggot walks.

[sickdsm]

Not sure how anyone can defend that. I'm sober, wide awake and full attention. I honestly thought he was playing a Saw version of Simon Says. That looked like some "I got the Columbine shooters in the hallway" treatment, not a guy with a red ryder bb gun. Cops need to be evaluated yearly by civilian department.

[Xevious]

In any event...say it was you in the cop's position

You're coming up on someone who was reported as just pointing a scoped gun out of a window. And he seems pretty damn unstable. He reaches back toward his waist. Are you going to wait to see if he pulls a gun out a gun?
Now think about it from the other point of view. You're a 26-year-old kid who has some tatted up dude in tactical gear shouting at the top of his lungs with a rifle point at you.

He was just a kid... a stupid kid, but did nothing deserving of death. He was obviously fucking rattled and the instructions given to him were neither reasonable or clear. Had the cop(s) handled the situation differently, both suspects would've laid flat on their faces and allowed themselves to be restrained. I'm sure they were trying to get them further away from the door in case there was a shooter inside the room, but they had no handle on the situation because he was trying to be a badass.

The cop murdered him.

[RD2191]

I swear there's no bigger group of pussies than white American cops. :lol Dude was obviously wasted and scared and the pussy cop was still shitting his pants. :lol

[Trill Clinton]

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[DMC]

1. Cop is an overbearing piece of shit
2. Cop had no way of knowing that Shaver was the guy pointing the gun out the window since the room had not been cleared
3. Cop could not approach Shave due to the fact that the room had not been cleared, as that would have exposed him to potential lethal fire by another person in the room (thus the reason they were forced to crawl down the hallway)

4. Most here have no fucking clue about situational awareness, even after watching a video that clearly shows the fact the room had not been cleared, that Shaver lied about being drunk, and that Shaver continually reached behind his back even after being told repeatedly he would die if he did that.

What could have been done differently:

1. Shaver could have not pointed the gun out the hotel window
2. Cops could have had Shaver walk further forward before commanding him onto the ground, meaning they could have stood further back.
3. The commands could have been more reasonable, like "keep your hands straight above your head and move toward me" instead of requiring perp to interlace feet.

Murder? Pretty close, but forewarned is forewarned, and based on the situation, probably justifiable as a cop, but I wouldn't want that cop working for me. There's no reason to pretend the situation started in the hallway, like cops just showed up for the fuck of it and caught two people walking out of a hotel room, and shot one of them. The girl seemed to do just fine.

[sickdsm]

We cool to judge intent based on tats now?

Not that I disagree, I just find it ironic that the don't judge or traffic stop based on looks crowd is unanimously using the use of tats to judge here.

[Spurminator]

We cool to judge intent based on tats now?

Not that I disagree, I just find it ironic that the don't judge or traffic stop based on looks crowd is unanimously using the use of tats to judge here.

I find it weirder that this is the thing that bothers you.

[DMC]

That cop looks like someone who could just as easily be a mass shooter as he could a cop. These people go through the academy just to play with guns and get the go ahead to threaten and shoot people. Power hungry faggots with license to kill.

[sickdsm]

I find it weirder that this is the thing that bothers you.

We done cherry picking?

[DMC]

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/cf07d7181c033ec02705a843fcf16096715d732b/c=310-0-5162-3648&r=x393&c=520x390/local/-/media/2016/03/29/Phoenix/Phoenix/635948868976503990-G1J44522.jpg

This hardly looks like a pellet rifle, especially if you're seeing it pointed out a window at a hotel.

[sickdsm]

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/cf07d7181c033ec02705a843fcf16096715d732b/c=310-0-5162-3648&r=x393&c=520x390/local/-/media/2016/03/29/Phoenix/Phoenix/635948868976503990-G1J44522.jpg

This hardly looks like a pellet rifle, especially if you're seeing it pointed out a window at a hotel.
He could have pointed a banana out the window. That cop had his mind made up.

[boutons_deux]

Another mentally ill, dickless cop, drunk on the power of state behind him, knowing he's immune from prosecution, magic "I Feared For My Life", whose preferred "de-escalation" technique is always to murder the citizen.

and this unarmed dead guy was white and quite drunk, right?

[SpursforSix]

He could have pointed a banana out the window. That cop had his mind made up.

And do you think the guests at the pool had their mind made up as well? Do you think they would have reported that there was a guy pointing a banana at them?

[pgardn]

https://media.fox10phoenix.com/media.fox10phoenix.com/photo/2017/11/06/PHILIP_BRAILSFORD_TRIAL__Officer_who_sto_0_4478307 _ver1.0_640_360.jpg

damn, daniel didn't stand a chance. dweeb cop covered in tats, tactical gear and his special rifle...he wasn't going to let daniel make it to the morning

Tats on a cop.... Yeah, guilty.
Cmon...?

The cop did not know if anyone else was in the room and was clearly agitated about the situation. Knowing this, why in the fuck would you reach for your waist. "I'm drunk so I might miss some of the orders?" The poor guy may have been attempting to just pull up his pants. And for gosh sakes, we just had a mass killing in Las Vegas, so we got a lot of very jumpy people.

Problem is that so many people have weapons now our police cannot act like European cops on the beat that don't even carry guns. This is more than a cop goes rogue, it's bigger than this.

I really do feel terrible for that guy though. Dumbass drinking and pointing a "gun" out of the window does not deserve to die like that though.

[sickdsm]

And do you think the guests at the pool had their mind made up as well? Do you think they would have reported that there was a guy pointing a banana at them?
I think he had his mind made up the guy wasn't holding a rifle or a shotgun on him. He had a partner, the woman was cuffed, he could have cuffed him. Why on Earth did he feel the need to make him crawl towards him at that point? He could have tased him. So much why's. Balance of power has clearly shifted too much towards law enforcement. A fifteen minutes conversation with a power hungry cop is usually 12 minutes longer than needed to see that he shouldn't be in a position of authority.


I'm still not sure why since the cop has had training why your resorting to the judgement of some pool going hotel occupants to judge that situation. The deceased clearly looked scared shitless and flustered. Did the professionally trained civil soldier ever see a gun?

[pgardn]

I think he had his mind made up the guy wasn't holding a rifle or a shotgun on him. He had a partner, the woman was cuffed, he could have cuffed him. Why on Earth did he feel the need to make him crawl towards him at that point? He could have tased him. So much why's. Balance of power has clearly shifted too much towards law enforcement. A fifteen minutes conversation with a power hungry cop is usually 12 minutes longer than needed to see that he shouldn't be in a position of authority.


I'm still not sure why since the cop has had training why your resorting to the judgement of some pool going hotel occupants to judge that situation. The deceased clearly looked scared shitless and flustered. Did the professionally trained civil soldier ever see a gun?

Did both cops know how many people were still in the room?

[sickdsm]

Did both cops know how many people were still in the room?

No because no one in this situation was currently in the room.

[Trill Clinton]

Tats on a cop.... Yeah, guilty.
Cmon...?

The cop did not know if anyone else was in the room and was clearly agitated about the situation. Knowing this, why in the fuck would you reach for your waist. "I'm drunk so I might miss some of the orders?" The poor guy may have been attempting to just pull up his pants. And for gosh sakes, we just had a mass killing in Las Vegas, so we got a lot of very jumpy people.

Problem is that so many people have weapons now our police cannot act like European cops on the beat that don't even carry guns. This is more than a cop goes rogue, it's bigger than this.

I really do feel terrible for that guy though. Dumbass drinking and pointing a "gun" out of the window does not deserve to die like that though.

this shooting happened 2 years ago

[hitmanyr2k]

It was a lethal game of Simon Says with a demented officer screaming bizarre orders at the top of his lungs. The scared guy tried to follow those unclear orders except every move the guy made was somehow wrong and he kept getting yelled at while being reminded that he was going to get shot every 30 seconds :lol It was a no-win situation for him. If he coughed, sneezed, or tripped while crawling he was getting shot by that coward.

[DMC]

He could have pointed a banana out the window. That cop had his mind made up.

But its not a banana

[tlongII]

That cop is a piece of shit.

[pgardn]

No because no one in this situation was currently in the room.

And the cops knew this during the confrontation?

The "perps" we're on the ground. So the cops were not the least bit worried others could come out of that room blasting away? Or just stick a gun out and start spraying?

[pgardn]

this shooting happened 2 years ago

Ok.

Still a tough situation. The people claiming the cop was absolutely intent on killing this guy...
You can't read that in to this situation based on that video. And if you do... you are imposing your biased interpretation.

[dabom]

Ok.

Still a tough situation. The people claiming the cop was absolutely intent on killing this guy...
You can't read that in to this situation based on that video. And if you do... you are imposing your biased interpretation.

Next time read the article first asshole.

[hitmanyr2k]

And the cops knew this during the confrontation?

The "perps" we're on the ground. So the cops were not the least bit worried others could come out of that room blasting away? Or just stick a gun out and start spraying?

No excuse. Instead of yelling dumbass commands that made no sense and wasted precious time why weren't these cops following any kind of procedure? It would take a minute to tell this guy to turn around with his hands behind his head and walk backwards to a certain point and then kneel, cross his legs so someone can cuff him. The guy walking backwards with his hands behind his head would actually give the cops a human shield in case someone wanted to come out of the room blasting :lol Instead this idiot cop wastes a ton of time yelling commands to a guy scared out of his mind and making him second guess every movement while constantly telling him he's gonna get shot. It's a damn shame how these cops are walking around in tactical gear looking like military men but don't appear to even have the most basic training. Hopefully the family has a wrongful death lawsuit going. Make these guys pay somehow.

[DMC]

Next time read the article first asshole.

:lol

[Trill Clinton]

No excuse. Instead of yelling dumbass commands that made no sense and wasted precious time why weren't these cops following any kind of procedure? It would take a minute to tell this guy to turn around with his hands behind his head and walk backwards to a certain point and then kneel, cross his legs so someone can cuff him. The guy walking backwards with his hands behind his head would actually give the cops a human shield in case someone wanted to come out of the room blasting :lol Instead this idiot cop wastes a ton of time yelling commands to a guy scared out of his mind and making him second guess every movement while constantly telling him he's gonna get shot. It's a damn shame how these cops are walking around in tactical gear looking like military men but don't appear to even have the most basic training. Hopefully the family has a wrongful death lawsuit going. Make these guys pay somehow.

good point about having them walk backwards with their hands in the air.

the cop was also fired for violations of departmental policy, including unsatisfactory performance which was unrelated to this shooting.

[dabom]

good point about having them walk backwards with their hands in the air.

the cop was also fired for violations of departmental policy, including unsatisfactory performance which was unrelated to this shooting.

I'm pretty sure no fucking cop wanted to be part of that murdering faggot.

[pgardn]

:lol

So Shaun King's assessment of the video is funny.

Sadly I've studied 100s of videos of American police executing non-violent, unarmed people. This is one of the worst I've ever witnessed.


Ok...
But Shuan is sad he has interpreted 100s of videos.

The same Shaun King that got The Michael Brown incident very wrong.
Claimed he was black, and claimed he was severely beaten by a white mob. The same guy who by putting out false crap, makes the real thing seem less likely.

[sickdsm]

And the cops knew this during the confrontation?

The "perps" we're on the ground. So the cops were not the least bit worried others could come out of that room blasting away? Or just stick a gun out and start spraying?
Well, yeah. The two were in the hallway. They could have dealt with them then stormed the room. So i guess they did know that during the confrontation.

[sickdsm]

But its not a banana

You sure? Because unless i'm missing something, the cop did not see him point anything out the window. Didn't he show up after someone called the cops? If that's the case you have to play the scenario anywhere from banana to bazooka.


He clearly knew at that point the guy could have only had a pistol at the most on him.

[Splits]

Well, yeah. The two were in the hallway. They could have dealt with them then stormed the room. So i guess they did know that during the confrontation.

Keep in mind you're debating someone who thinks it is cool for school security guards to slam 13 year old girls on their heads.

[DMC]

You sure? Because unless i'm missing something, the cop did not see him point anything out the window. Didn't he show up after someone called the cops? If that's the case you have to play the scenario anywhere from banana to bazooka.


He clearly knew at that point the guy could have only had a pistol at the most on him.

But the room wasn't cleared.

[DMC]

The lesson here is that cops will almost always be acquitted of murder or manslaughter charges if they followed their training. It's the training that needs to be considered. There's a lot of subjectivity to "feared for my life". Did the cop fear for his life? Who knows, but neither the victim nor the cop did themselves any favors by their decisions that night, or how they got to that point.

The mixture of military with police is bad for a civilized society. This cop acted like he was in an urban assault situation. If he was genuinely scared for his life, then he should not have been a cop. He even basically stated he would shoot first, ask questions later. That's a military ROE approach, not a normal LEO approach. Cops suit up like it's Armageddon and they go in with the mindset that they are going to control the situation with force, and that particular asshole apparently couldn't wait to kill someone.

[pgardn]

As a society we still have different views on what the real purpose of the police is supposed to be.

Police in many places in Western Europe are really assigned to keep the peace by diffusing situations. Our police take a much more provactive role IMO. Our police are much more likely to escalate a situation from what I have witnessed elsewhere. And they have got to be able to take verbal abuse without reacting. They must be above these petty arguments they try to break up.

That being said, no way I want to be a cop in this country with the likelihood of facing an armed situation so high.
Anyone on this board, wanna be a cop?

Wanna go into an apt. building where families have pulled guns on each other? And you have no flippn clue who is doing what.

[dabom]

As a society we still have different views on what the real purpose of the police is supposed to be.

Police in many places in Western Europe are really assigned to keep the peace by diffusing situations. Our police take a much more provactive role IMO. Our police are much more likely to escalate a situation from what I have witnessed elsewhere. And they have got to be able to take verbal abuse without reacting. They must be above these petty arguments they try to break up.

That being said, no way I want to be a cop in this country with the likelihood of facing an armed situation so high.
Anyone on this board, wanna be a cop?

Wanna go into an apt. building where families have pulled guns on each other? And you have no flippn clue who is doing what.

Boohoo. Those cops. :cry :cry

Can anyone think of the cops? :cry :cry

[sickdsm]

But the room wasn't cleared.

They weren't in the room.

[Spurtacular]

The lesson here is that cops will almost always be acquitted of murder or manslaughter charges if they followed their training.

They train people to shoot without provocation?

[DMC]

They train people to shoot without provocation?

Ask the jury who saw the footage and the training.

[DMC]

They weren't in the room.

Of course not.

[DMC]

No excuse. Instead of yelling dumbass commands that made no sense and wasted precious time why weren't these cops following any kind of procedure? It would take a minute to tell this guy to turn around with his hands behind his head and walk backwards to a certain point and then kneel, cross his legs so someone can cuff him. The guy walking backwards with his hands behind his head would actually give the cops a human shield in case someone wanted to come out of the room blasting :lol Instead this idiot cop wastes a ton of time yelling commands to a guy scared out of his mind and making him second guess every movement while constantly telling him he's gonna get shot. It's a damn shame how these cops are walking around in tactical gear looking like military men but don't appear to even have the most basic training. Hopefully the family has a wrongful death lawsuit going. Make these guys pay somehow.

Because that obscures vision of the officers to the hallway leading to the room, and puts the perp in the line of fire. Dude didn't deserve to be shot, but he didn't exactly avoid it either. He was told multiple times to stop reaching behind his back, and yet what did he do? Exactly.

Who here doesn't know you don't reach behind your back when facing down the barrel of a cop's gun? If you don't know by now, you'll never learn.

Also, what military training do you have that you can judge whether or not these cops displayed any? Just out of curiosity.

[pgardn]

:lol

And now I also know why I keep the fake engineer on ignore.
A complete whiff on Mr. Shaun King, the expert on 100s of videos.
The Michael Brown case "investigative reporter" who got it all wrong.

[pgardn]

Because that obscures vision of the officers to the hallway leading to the room, and puts the perp in the line of fire. Dude didn't deserve to be shot, but he didn't exactly avoid it either. He was told multiple times to stop reaching behind his back, and yet what did he do? Exactly.

Who here doesn't know you don't reach behind your back when facing down the barrel of a cop's gun? If you don't know by now, you'll never learn.

Also, what military training do you have that you can judge whether or not these cops displayed any? Just out of curiosity.

Exactly. Which is why the cop asked about understanding instructions and inebriation. What must you ALWAYS do for the cop? Always let him have a clear unobstructed view of your hands and usually keep the hands well clear of your body.

And he was drunk and probably got very confused pulling up his pants. He might not even have realized what he was doing. If one does not know the cop's background, there is no way from that video you decide with confidence. That was clearly being taken by all as a very extreme edgy situation. Lots of unknowns to say exactly what the cop is thinking. "I must kill this guy, I want to kill this guy"

[DMC]

So Shaun King's assessment of the video is funny.

Sadly I've studied 100s of videos of American police executing non-violent, unarmed people. This is one of the worst I've ever witnessed.


Ok...
But Shuan is sad he has interpreted 100s of videos.

The same Shaun King that got The Michael Brown incident very wrong.
Claimed he was black, and claimed he was severely beaten by a white mob. The same guy who by putting out false crap, makes the real thing seem less likely.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I was responding to another comment.

[DMC]

Exactly. Which is why the cop asked about understanding instructions and inebriation. What must you ALWAYS do for the cop? Always let him have a clear unobstructed view of your hands and usually keep the hands well clear of your body.

And he was drunk and probably got very confused pulling up his pants. He might not even have realized what he was doing. If one does not know the cop's background, there is no way from that video you decide with confidence. That was clearly being taken by all as a very extreme edgy situation. Lots of unknowns to say exactly what the cop is thinking. "I must kill this guy, I want to kill this guy"

It was bad timing - overbearing cop meets idiot who decided being drunk and showing people his guns in a hotel room was a good idea.

[pgardn]

I have no idea what you're talking about. I was responding to another comment.

The engineer does.
Disregard.

[Spurtacular]

Ask the jury who saw the footage and the training.

They train people to shoot without provocation?

[DMC]

They train people to shoot without provocation?

You are begging the question.

The jury saw provocation even if you didn't. You don't have to agree with it, but it's not like the police department made the decision to acquit the cop, he was fired by them. The acquittal was by a jury. The cop and department can still be sued for wrongful death.

[Spurtacular]

You are begging the question.

The jury saw provocation even if you didn't. You don't have to agree with it, but it's not like the police department made the decision to acquit the cop, he was fired by them. The acquittal was by a jury. The cop and department can still be sued for wrongful death.

That being the case, I watched the vid for a second time. Didn't see it the first time on my cel phone; but he does reach for an area where a gun could be stored. This cop was a shitty cop who deserved to lose his job, though. And while he may be legally protected, there is no doubt in my mind that he is scum.

[DMC]

That being the case, I watched the vid for a second time. Didn't see it the first time on my cel phone; but he does reach for an area where a gun could be stored. This cop was a shitty cop who deserved to lose his job, though. And while he may be legally protected, there is no doubt in my mind that he is scum.

That's been established already. Too bad the "scum" flag only trips when they kill an unarmed person on camera.

[SpursforSix]

I think he had his mind made up the guy wasn't holding a rifle or a shotgun on him. He had a partner, the woman was cuffed, he could have cuffed him. Why on Earth did he feel the need to make him crawl towards him at that point? He could have tased him. So much why's. Balance of power has clearly shifted too much towards law enforcement. A fifteen minutes conversation with a power hungry cop is usually 12 minutes longer than needed to see that he shouldn't be in a position of authority.


I'm still not sure why since the cop has had training why your resorting to the judgement of some pool going hotel occupants to judge that situation. The deceased clearly looked scared shitless and flustered. Did the professionally trained civil soldier ever see a gun?

Well, the pool guests weren't in danger. The guy was just drunk and had an air rifle. They should have kept their mouths shut and none of this would have happened.

[DarrinS]

It’s not clear from the body cam, but the cop who shot this guy is NOT the one shouting the orders. That guy quietly retired.

[spurraider21]

If only the victim carried a gun for self defense. He coulda stopped the bad guy with a gun

[Winehole23]

Never try to pull your pants up in front of a cop.

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[DMC]

Never try to pull your pants up in front of a cop.

1595465194645311488

Never settle for 1.5m if you can get 8.

[Winehole23]

Never settle for 1.5m if you can get 8.too little for what happened, tbh

[DMC]

too little for what happened, tbh

Monetarily, if it's priceless then 1 cent is as good as 1billion.