Game Thread: Spurs @ Suns -- Sat. (12/9) - 8:00/C (4:00am Riga Time)

[sasaint]

That was a clean block.

Yep, Sunrefs (and Pop) keeping it close.

[SAGirl]

Even so, not many young guys - euros or collegians - have breakout seasons in season 1 with the Spurs.
good point.
but what I meant is, he's tried to make it in the league b4 and never stuck anywhere past training camp.
a breakout season for him is to become a nice rotation player. Pop thinks he might (with that comment about guys like that sometimes turning the light on). We shall see. as you said still early in the season.

[Spurtacular]

Biggest nothing game of the season thus far.

[SAGirl]

Suns are just so bad that they defeat themselves at times. If not for that...

[Robz4000]

Spurs are gonna lose this because of missed freebies. Deservedly so.

[Spurtacular]

Biggest nothing game of the season thus far.

Refs having to put this Warren guy on the line every trip down to keep the game in single digits.

[sasaint]

Biggest nothing game of the season thus far.

Not for me. I was looking forward to seeing what the young guys could do. But Pop is doing his best to undermine their chances.

[SAGirl]

As I sad that M.James dude can shoot.

[Robz4000]

After the best win of the season the Spurs are on the verge of suffering their worst. They really are a pottery team tbh; they're a work of art.

[Dex]

Remember when people wanted to give the keys to Murray after the first 5 games of the season?

:lmao

[SAGirl]

Remember when people wanted to give the keys to Murray after the first 5 games of the season?

:lmao
I wanted to initially, but after the initial 3 games, it went downhill.

Nothing to be happy about though.

[Dex]

After the best win of the season the Spurs are on the verge of suffering their worst. They really are a pottery team tbh; they're a work of art.

Our lineup is at like 30% potential right now. The only two legitimate starters we have are LMA and Gay, and they are playing on a B2B after a big game.

Don't be just another troll around here.

[boutons_deux]

Now let's see Pops lineups to finish the close game

[SAGirl]

nice pass from Rudy to Patty

[Ron Swanson]

WTF Rudy? Foul with 1.8 seconds left?

[Dex]

I wanted to initially, but after the initial 3 games, it went downhill.

Nothing to be happy about though.

I agree...we need DJ to develop, and he's seriously regressed since the start of the season.

That's why you don't overreact after a 3-game sample size tho. Parker couldn't return soon enough.

[Mikeanaro]

Fucking refs, Pride Parade did nothing.

[SAGirl]

sunsrefs?

[Ron Swanson]

This is some awful basketball.

[Dex]

James scrubbing it up against us.

[sasaint]

After the best win of the season the Spurs are on the verge of suffering their worst. They really are a pottery team tbh; they're a work of art.

Pop bet the farm on the Suns.

[Thunder1]

Let's see what the play will be after the time out...

[bbarry]

i hope spurs lose this one, just for their own good.

[Robz4000]

Our lineup is at like 30% potential right now. The only two legitimate starters we have are LMA and Gay, and they are playing on a B2B after a big game.

Don't be just another troll around here.

The Sus may be the worst team in the league, without their best player, and the Spurs had a 20 point second half lead. This is an embarrassing loss no matter how you spin it.

[Ron Swanson]

Pop bet the vineyard on the Suns.

[$pursDynasty]

Peppermint Putrid can't run the offense for ish. I would love to see Dabom defend this.

[bklynspursfan]

Dam, sick passing there. Patty --> Bertans --> LMA

[Ron Swanson]

Hell of a feed by Davis.

[raybies]

ggod pass bert

[Thunder1]

There's still hope...

[SAGirl]

TJ warren is so awful...

[sasaint]

Haha! Better.

[SAGirl]

Dam, sick passing there. Patty --> Bertans --> LMA
:toast

[Spurtacular]

Refs were calling that every time before the game got tied, tbh.

[SAGirl]

Did BP3 get injured?

[sasaint]

The Sus may be the worst team in the league, without their best player, and the Spurs had a 20 point second half lead. This is an embarrassing loss no matter how you spin it.

Point-shaving Pop is the embarrassment.

[Dex]

The Sus may be the worst team in the league, without their best player, and the Spurs had a 20 point second half lead. This is an embarrassing loss no matter how you spin it.

You should overreact about a game in early December a little more, tbh.

[bklynspursfan]

Clearly not good. Why is this fool arguing

[Ron Swanson]

They better not count that shot.

[sasaint]

Did BP3 get injured?

Yep. Kneed in the thigh.

[Robz4000]

:lmao

[SAGirl]

If the suns weren't so bad...

[Ron Swanson]

Patty :lol

[sasaint]

50Mills. Pitiful.

[$pursDynasty]

Patty sucks

[bklynspursfan]

Oh man that's a crap call

[timtonymanu]

Smh spurs. Always gotta give this scrub team at least 1 win a year. Pathetic.

[Ron Swanson]

Forbes!

[bklynspursfan]

Brynsanity. Nice setup by Patty again

[SAGirl]

disaster... man injuries ... GWS Kawhi, Danny, Kyle

[Thunder1]

Forbes!!!

[Austin_Toros]

Patty Mills is garbage

[raybies]

im enjoying this lol

[SAGirl]

Bryn clutch

[SpurPadre]

Forbes, I shall now dub you MDN= Medium Dick Nigga

[SAGirl]

im enjoying this lol
it's a close game.

Has been full of mistakes on both teams.. but boy the suns are really bad.

[bklynspursfan]

Patty has 18 points in 23 mins, on 7-11 shooting and he's garbage. Gotta love the Spurstalk spectators

[raybies]

it's a close game.

Has been full of mistakes on both teams.. but boy the suns are really bad.
its pure comedy lol

[K...]

Patty mills is too dumb to be a pg. In his defense he's been abused on defender and offense. I mean he hitbig shots, fine but it's the forum q, no manu to bail you out, trust lma...

[bklynspursfan]

Idiot James :lol

[Thunder1]

There is a God!!!

[raybies]

why did they wait so long to shoot

[Ron Swanson]

Nice clock management, PHX

[K...]

Garbage ball on both sides

[Dex]

Suns trying to give effort without trying to win. That was terrible EOG execution.

[timtonymanu]

I wasn’t sold on Bryn last season but he’s been a nice improvement this year

[resistanze]

Who is that scrub trying to do a James Harden stepback? :lol

[$pursDynasty]

Surrender Patty's minutes to Dijon!

[bklynspursfan]

Gotta inbound and some how run the clock out lol

[SAGirl]

Bryn with the game winning shot and defense.

[Ron Swanson]

Need both of these, Patty.

[Spurtacular]

Spurs not in the bonus or I'd be mad that Murray didn't quickly pass that ball off. 70 FT / non clutch shooters should be looking for options.

[raybies]

Patty could of ran that clock out

[bklynspursfan]

Patty with the clutch FTs.

[sasaint]

Bryn with the game winning shot and defense.

:tu growing up.

[Robz4000]

Clutch FTs. If they'd hit one more it'd be over. Fuck missed freebies.

[raybies]

the closer :cry

[Spurtacular]

Patty making no effort to dodge the foul and end the game. He that desperate for a season high?

[sasaint]

Patty could of ran that clock out

Seemed like it to me, too. At least he hit the FTs.

[Robz4000]

Watch the Suns get gifted three FTs.

[Ron Swanson]

Hopefully this is the last game without Kawhi.

[OrEmuN]

Phew ...

[bklynspursfan]

Patty could of ran that clock out

Thought the same thing.. probably didn't wanna risk losing the ball again lol being 93% from the FT , he was probly confident.

[Chinook]

:lol Dudley

[Thunder1]

That was a nail biter, if there ever was one...

[timtonymanu]

Jared Dudley is still rotting away on this Suns team?

[raybies]

i feel for the Suns fans... They got their hopes up. You could hear it on the final shot.

[Dex]

Spurs win! :flag:

Let's see who wants to bitch about a loss again.

[Mikeanaro]

Suns didnt deserve to win, it wasnt an ¨UGLY WIN BUT I TAKE IT¨, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

Spurs making a play for a non-athletic player. So, they suck at the coaching level too.

[Robz4000]

Fuck the refs. They've been bad for a few years now, but this season has been a whole new level of awful for the Spurs.

[SpurPadre]

RIP LMA's Touches, tbh.

[BillMc]

Victory!:flag:

[spursistan]

Worst win of the season but I'll take it..

[raybies]

well a wins a wins a win

time to watch the okc game and rockets

[SAGirl]

:tu growing up.
Probably the best player of this new crop (and Kyle).
Got to hold on to them. I don't know if Buford can manage it. It is true that they have drafted and have a lot of guards, but what if he's the best of that crop?

[cjw]

Fuck the refs. They've been bad for a few years now, but this season has been a whole new level of awful for the Spurs.

Like on that three where James (?) kicked his legs out?

[sasaint]

I wasn’t sold on Bryn last season but he’s been a nice improvement this year

I don't think anybody was sold on him last year. Then he turned some heads in Summer League. But he has made converts this season. His development is on a nice trajectory.

[Robz4000]

Like on that three where James (?) kicked his legs out?

Most foul calls in the fourth for Phoenix were phantom fouls, and then there's ridiculous no calls in their favor too. It's been a trend all season for Spurs opponents.

[SAGirl]

Worst win of the season but I'll take it..
Horrible game to be fair.
but they won. It almost really felt like the Suns threw it away rather but no matter.
got to take this win.
the old dudes rested and injured continue to try to get healed.

BP3 got injured too apparently though it might be something mild.

:flag:but it's a win.

[Chinook]

Most foul calls in the fourth for Phoenix were phantom fouls, and then there's ridiculous no calls in their favor too. It's been a trend all season for Spurs opponents.

It's because the Spurs can't possibly win without Kawhi.

[Spurtacular]

Thought the same thing.. probably didn't wanna risk losing the ball again lol being 93% from the FT , he was probly confident.

He gave the Suns a chance to go into overtime because he wanted to up his season high.

[Thunder1]

Bryn might yet prove to be a Curry lite...

[$pursDynasty]

Never has a player's season high been less impressive, Peppermint, smh.

[SAGirl]

It's because the Spurs can't possibly win without Kawhi.
heh
Chinook the conspiracy theorist?
/rofl

[boutons_deux]

Bryn 1-6 3Gs

[$pursDynasty]

Bryn might yet prove to be a Curry lite...
He heard what Pop said.

[Spurtacular]

Probably the best player of this new crop (and Kyle).
Got to hold on to them. I don't know if Buford can manage it. It is true that they have drafted and have a lot of guards, but what if he's the best of that crop?

Kyle and Bryn both very tradeable. But they have more worth than Bertans, Paul, Lauvergne, White and Hillard at this point. More than Murray? Probably not.

[Chinook]

I said he might be the next Jackson but the dude more like Gerald Wallace

Probably just more like JaMychal Green: Solid player, but not a loss.

[Chinook]

OKC is just full of cheaters. Adams is the worst of them.

[sasaint]

Bryn 1-6 3Gs

Yet Pop drew up the final play for him.

[SAGirl]

Bryn 1-6 3Gs
in this game. he's obviously played 35 minutes last night and a lot in this one. hes also gone 5/5 2/2 etc. He made the most important basket cold blooded. I am not overrating him. But he's become a nice rotation player. It's fine to root for those guys you know. Specially when last season he looked out of his depth every time I saw him except for one game and it was against a tanking Mavs team.

[Thunder1]

BP3 had some nice plays in the game, even if he had a poor shooting night...

[sasaint]

BP3 had some nice plays in the game, even if he had a poor shooting night...

And got reffed on a couple of others. I am still in his corner.

[bklynspursfan]

He gave the Suns a chance to go into overtime because he wanted to up his season high.

Yea I wouldn't go that far

[bklynspursfan]

BP3 had some nice plays in the game, even if he had a poor shooting night...

Yup. People will tend to look at how a guy scores/shoots to determine how they played. There are many other ways to impact a game

[SpurPadre]

Yes, Rockets are about to lose!

[duncan2k5]

Spurs not in the bonus or I'd be mad that Murray didn't quickly pass that ball off. 70 FT / non clutch shooters should be looking for options.

Why take the chance to pass when you're not in the bonus? The kid made the right play

[SAGirl]

BP3 had some nice plays in the game, even if he had a poor shooting night...
yea he turned up the defense and his aggression

[cjw]

Bryn 1-6 3Gs

Cool story, sample size.

Slightly bigger sample size = 8 of 14 from deep last three games. You can be selective with data to make it say anything you want.

[SAGirl]

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/sa.png&h=100&w=100Spurs



STARTERS
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


L. Aldridge (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2983/lamarcus-aldridge)PF
36
7-18
0-1
6-7
5
4
9
2
0
3
0
2
-4
20


R. Gay (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3005/rudy-gay)SF
33
7-11
0-1
2-2
4
5
9
2
0
0
3
4
+9
16


D. Murray (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907497/dejounte-murray)PG
27
4-11
0-0
0-0
6
8
14
4
0
0
1
4
+3
8


B. Paul (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2488911/brandon-paul)SG
30
3-7
0-2
4-4
0
2
2
3
3
2
0
4
-5
10


B. Forbes (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2994526/bryn-forbes)SG
36
5-13
1-6
0-2
0
3
3
0
0
0
3
3
+5
11


BENCH
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


D. Bertans (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6426/davis-bertans)SF
20
3-7
2-5
0-0
2
5
7
2
0
0
1
2
+0
8


J. Lauvergne (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2959753/joffrey-lauvergne)C
12
2-5
0-0
2-4
1
3
4
0
1
0
1
0
+7
6


D. White (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3078576/derrick-white)PG
9
2-2
0-0
0-0
0
1
1
0
0
0
2
1
-1
4


P. Mills (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills)PG
24
7-11
3-4
3-4
0
2
2
2
0
1
4
3
-3
20


D. Hilliard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2578259/darrun-hilliard)SG
13
0-2
0-0
1-2
0
1
1
3
1
0
0
0
+4
1


Pop played Hilliard but not Costello... hm? Do you have a conspiracy theory for that one Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)?

[Spurtacular]

Yea I wouldn't go that far

It's that or he shat his pants / was afraid to dribble.

[Spurtacular]

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/sa.png&h=100&w=100Spurs



STARTERS
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


L. Aldridge (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2983/lamarcus-aldridge)PF
36
7-18
0-1
6-7
5
4
9
2
0
3
0
2
-4
20


R. Gay (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3005/rudy-gay)SF
33
7-11
0-1
2-2
4
5
9
2
0
0
3
4
+9
16


D. Murray (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907497/dejounte-murray)PG
27
4-11
0-0
0-0
6
8
14
4
0
0
1
4
+3
8


B. Paul (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2488911/brandon-paul)SG
30
3-7
0-2
4-4
0
2
2
3
3
2
0
4
-5
10


B. Forbes (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2994526/bryn-forbes)SG
36
5-13
1-6
0-2
0
3
3
0
0
0
3
3
+5
11


BENCH
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


D. Bertans (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6426/davis-bertans)SF
20
3-7
2-5
0-0
2
5
7
2
0
0
1
2
+0
8


J. Lauvergne (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2959753/joffrey-lauvergne)C
12
2-5
0-0
2-4
1
3
4
0
1
0
1
0
+7
6


D. White (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3078576/derrick-white)PG
9
2-2
0-0
0-0
0
1
1
0
0
0
2
1
-1
4


P. Mills (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills)PG
24
7-11
3-4
3-4
0
2
2
2
0
1
4
3
-3
20


D. Hilliard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2578259/darrun-hilliard)SG
13
0-2
0-0
1-2
0
1
1
3
1
0
0
0
+4
1


Pop played Hilliard but not Costello... hm? Do you have a conspiracy theory for that one Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)?

Castello in the G-League according to the box score on Yahoo.

[SAGirl]

Castello in the G-League according to the box score on Yahoo.
ok thanks for that information. I wasn't even paying attention to him during the game or anything (to see whether he was in uniform or not)...

the question just came into my mind after seeing that Hilliard got the call but Costello didn't.

I figure now that Pop planned to rely heavily on Lamarcus with just a shade of a sighting for Lauvergne.

It's just weird to me that one of the gleaguers played but the other didn't.

[wildbill2u]

Say what you like about Forbes, you know he's a shooter when He's not afraid to take that last shot for 3 after he's had a bad night percentage wise. It takes that cold-blooded ability to take that last shot regardless that is revealing. Obviously, Manu has always had it.

[Chinook]

Pop played Hilliard but not Costello... hm? Do you have a conspiracy theory for that one Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)?


Castello in the G-League according to the box score on Yahoo.

I could have sworn I saw Costello on the bench. If he were there, then his two-way thing would kick in even if he didn't play, so I'm going to go ahead and assume Yahoo knows what it's doing there.

[Thunder1]

I saw him on the bench...not sure if he was dressed out or not...

[SAGirl]

then I am assuming he was there for foul trouble or injuies together with Hilliard and HIlliard getting minutes in this game was a casualty of the rook White turning the ball over and Pop having an extremely short hook with him and deciding to play Hilliard a few minutes instead. I didn't see Hilliard in the second half I don't think. Oh well satisfies my curiosity.

thanks

[LakerHater]

https://images2.imgbox.com/b5/6a/A2j4xXMc_o.gif

[Darius Bieber]

Yes, Rockets are about to lose!

Nah, they aren't the Spurs. They're actual contenders who win.

[Fireball]

well, we got the win ... in other aspects this game reflected everything being the fifth game in seven nights for the spurs

[Pavlov]

Pop played Hilliard but not Costello... hm? Do you have a conspiracy theory for that one Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)?Coming off an injury. Only played ten minutes Thursday.

[duncan2k5]

I'm amused at the good reviews Forbes is getting despite shooting badly, and having a lot of turnovers... Yet if it were Murray, ppl would have been calling for his head... With no regard for the fact that Murray does other things well... Ppl give Kyle a chance until this year when he started to play decent for the first time, yet don't want to give a much younger player with a higher ceiling a chance... Own your hypocrisy

[boutons_deux]

Very mysterious that "shooter" Forbes shoots a FT% of 41, but 83% last season.

In his worst years, TD shot better.

[Horse]

Short handed and Phoenix sucks but my god those refs in the 4th quarter!

[duncan2k5]

I'm amused at the good reviews Forbes is getting despite shooting badly, and having a lot of turnovers... Yet if it were Murray, ppl would have been calling for his head... With no regard for the fact that Murray does other things well... Ppl give Kyle a chance until this year when he started to play decent for the first time, yet don't want to give a much younger player with a higher ceiling a chance... Own your hypocrisy

[jyra]

Very mysterious that "shooter" Forbes shoots a FT% of 41, but 83% last season.

In his worst years, TD shot better.

He shot 6 FTs last year and 17 FTs this year. That's a tiny sample size.

[boutons_deux]

He shot 6 FTs last year and 17 FTs this year. That's a tiny sample size.

41% on 17 FTs is very weird

[SAGirl]

Coming off an injury. Only played ten minutes Thursday.
Thanks I didn’t know that. :tu

[BatManu20]

1%? You sick bastard.


Not my phone btw.

[Joseph Kony]

I want to see more of White tbh...he made two solid drives to the bucket and scored yesterday. Small sample but he already looking better around the rim than Murray

[K...]

Yeah I'm hoping white shakes out so Patty and Murray can be six man type gunners rather than pg. You need a smart player to be pg, and mills isn't fit, he's all rhythm shooting. Murray is street smart and knows how to work his body to get to the rim. But I don't see him with great chemistry at any level of play since the original summer league.

[BackHome]

White going to be good and I keep saying move Murray to SG

[Mr. Body]

White going to be good and I keep saying move Murray to SG

A shooting guard who cannot shoot. That's brilliant.

[duncan2k5]

White going to be good and I keep saying move Murray to SG

Murray would be horrible at SG... It is PG or bust for him that...

[sasaint]

A shooting guard who cannot shoot. That's brilliant.


Murray would be horrible at SG... It is PG or bust for him that...

In today's NBA he has to improve his shooting a lot to make it as a PG - not to mention his handles and decision-making. Definitely a no-go at SG.

[SAGirl]

In today's NBA he has to improve his shooting a lot to make it as a PG - not to mention his handles and decision-making. Definitely a no-go at SG.

It's like TD 21 said and I quote him bc he was really more succinct than I can ever put it:


.... between the extremely loose handle and the non existent jump shot, I can't remember a PG like this being successful and the fact that he's shown no improvement in either area 16 months after being drafted doesn't inspire confidence.

Smart, Carter-Williams, Dunn, Mudiay, Payton, Exum, are all recent examples of hyped PG's who struggled in at least one of these areas (all were at least willing jump shooters though) and right now Payton is the only starter and he's a low end one at that.

I tend to think Dijon is a guy who through all of his high school and the one college season, got by on his quickness and his physical gifts alone, which were tremendously notable and dominant at the lower levels. Now he needs to add the part that is "between the ears", as well as a better and more complete offensive game. He's basically learning how to play as a real PG right now is how I see it, and we will just have to see what happens with him. He can be really good in a few years... or like some of the guys above, basically remain the same guy. That means they are NBA players, but not stars. hhhmmmm.

[sasaint]

It's like TD 21 said and I quote him bc he was really more succinct than I can ever put it:



I tend to think Dijon is a guy who through all of his high school and the one college season, got by on his quickness and his physical gifts alone, which were tremendously notable and dominant at the lower levels. Now he needs to add the part that is "between the ears", as well as a better and more complete offensive game. He's basically learning how to play as a real PG right now is how I see it, and we will just have to see what happens with him. He can be really good in a few years... or like some of the guys above, basically remain the same guy. That means they are NBA players, but not stars. hhhmmmm.

Yeah, I have gone 180° on Dijon. I thought the "sink-or-swim" approach would be good last year, especially with Tony's play for the first part of last season. I think I was a little blinded by his athleticism (like PATFO). But the SL and now a quarter of this season have convinced me that he is more like the second coming of MCW (with apologies to Kawhistorm).

[Chinook]

Murray's problems are mental. He has issues to clean up, but he's not behind other players his age. He really just can't shoot. Of he could do that, Pop could play him more off the ball and let him grow that way. Everything from finishing to defense would be easier if he had a shot as his foundation.

[SAGirl]

Murray's problems are mental. He has issues to clean up, but he's not behind other players his age. He really just can't shoot. Of he could do that, Pop could play him more off the ball and let him grow that way. Everything from finishing to defense would be easier if he had a shot as his foundation.
I just wonder what happens if he never develops a jumpshot.. or let's say he doesn't develop it within the next couple of seasons (and for this one we already know he doesn't have it).

[dbestpro]

I just wonder what happens if he never develops a jumpshot.. or let's say he doesn't develop it within the next couple of seasons (and for this one we already know he doesn't have it).

So he becomes the next Rajon Rondo.

[LakerHater]

Jounte with a jump shot would be something to see.