The Rotation....

[coachmac87]

IMO this is going to be the biggest concern, test or whatever you want to call it going forward. Tbh I think Pop is scared shitless when it comes to getting this right..

He's got his hands full with all the moving parts, injuries and chemistry...IMO during this game the rotations were horrible and it had everything to do with Kawhi being on a minute restriction or pitch count. I don't need players playing a random 5-6 minutes like Joff and Paul did tonight or a random Bertan sighting. Manu played waaaaay too much IMO.

IMO a starting point when the "rotation" matters is I'd have Kawhi or Aldridge on the court at all times. But what are some of yalls thoughts or ideas of the rotation going forward??

[Chinook]

I don't think a rotation can really be stable unless Pau comes off the bench. You have a projected top 10 of Parker, Green. Leonard, Aldridge, Gasol, Mills, Ginobili, Anderson, Gay and...

Starting Pau almost forces Lauvergne to play some minutes. Then as you said, Paul and Murray played the rest of 10th-man. Seems more logical to make Joff strictly emergency/filler and give Forbes, Murray and Paul the chance for the final spot.

[Hoops Czar]

Laugherne isn't even a tenth of the player Lee was.

[TheGreatYacht]

Get Gasol off that starting lineup. Jesus Christ that guy blows

[coachmac87]

I don't think a rotation can really be stable unless Pau comes off the bench. You have a projected top 10 of Parker, Green. Leonard, Aldridge, Gasol, Mills, Ginobili, Anderson, Gay and...

Starting Pau almost forces Lauvergne to play some minutes. Then as you said, Paul and Murray played the rest of 10th-man. Seems more logical to make Joff strictly emergency/filler and give Forbes, Murray and Paul the chance for the final spot.


Totally agree to keep Joff strictly for foul trouble or emergency..and Forbes has earned his spot but if he's "off" like tonight Pop can't ride that hand too much.

So you don't think Pau should start? Who should start? I don't disagree with that but I just don't see how you can make that change with Kyle being hurt and literally never seeing LMA, Gay and Kawhi on th court..

[SpurPadre]

I hate to say this but Joffrey makes me miss Bonner, tbh. At least ginger knows the system.

[SAGirl]

Laugherne isn't even a tenth of the player Lee was.
Definitely.
I think of everyone not coming back from last season's team, he's really the one that is missed the most.

(not Simmons, which honestly, I have nothing against, but he's overrated).

Lee is missed.

[SAGirl]

I hate to say this but Joffrey makes me miss Bonner, tbh. At least ginger knows the system.
:wow
wow
you... SpurPadre... with appreciation for Bonner.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8fEHsWIEAIVEOE.jpg:large

Frankly, this wasn't the worst game by Lauvergne. He was ok I thought... except one alley oop he allowed. He's just not really a rim protector.

[SAGirl]

IMO this is going to be the biggest concern, test or whatever you want to call it going forward. Tbh I think Pop is scared shitless when it comes to getting this right..

He's got his hands full with all the moving parts, injuries and chemistry...IMO during this game the rotations were horrible and it had everything to do with Kawhi being on a minute restriction or pitch count. I don't need players playing a random 5-6 minutes like Joff and Paul did tonight or a random Bertan sighting. Manu played waaaaay too much IMO.

IMO a starting point when the "rotation" matters is I'd have Kawhi or Aldridge on the court at all times. But what are some of yalls thoughts or ideas of the rotation going forward??
I honestly didn't know what Pop was doing with the rotation.

i think he's still trying to play the seldom played guys to give them opportunities to earn minutes. I think he's still in that phase. but it's anyone's guess.

I agree Manu should not be playing 27 minutes at his age. He was the only one setting up LMA with deep position in the PnR though.

[SpurPadre]

:wow
wow
you... SpurPadre... with appreciation for Bonner.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8fEHsWIEAIVEOE.jpg:large

Frankly, this wasn't the worst game by Lauvergne. He was ok I thought... except one alley oop he allowed. He's just not really a rim protector.

What can I say, I'm Team Stark all the way and hate the Lannisters. But yeah, me praising Bonner for anything is also an indication of how fucked up the world is in Trump's America, lol.

[coachmac87]

I don't think Joff is as bad as some make him out to be..he was considered a "steal" to some here before he hurt his ankle. He's just not a starting caliber player like the Oberto, Splitter, Nazr type like some initially thought..kinda more like a 40yr old Kevin Willis..

[SAGirl]

What can I say, I'm Team Stark all the way and hate the Lannisters. But yeah, me praising Bonner for anything is also an indication of how fucked up the world is in Trump's America, lol.
:toast

[raybies]

IMO this is going to be the biggest concern, test or whatever you want to call it going forward. Tbh I think Pop is scared shitless when it comes to getting this right..

He's got his hands full with all the moving parts, injuries and chemistry...IMO during this game the rotations were horrible and it had everything to do with Kawhi being on a minute restriction or pitch count. I don't need players playing a random 5-6 minutes like Joff and Paul did tonight or a random Bertan sighting. Manu played waaaaay too much IMO.

IMO a starting point when the "rotation" matters is I'd have Kawhi or Aldridge on the court at all times. But what are some of yalls thoughts or ideas of the rotation going forward??
I feel the same way. I personally like KL to play the end/start of quarters like KD does.

[TheGreatYacht]

Definitely.
I think of everyone not coming back from last season's team, he's really the one that is missed the most.

(not Simmons, which honestly, I have nothing against, but he's overrated).

Lee is missed.
God damn Simmons has to have a rent-free 3 story 12br mansion on that fathead

[raybies]

I don't think a rotation can really be stable unless Pau comes off the bench. You have a projected top 10 of Parker, Green. Leonard, Aldridge, Gasol, Mills, Ginobili, Anderson, Gay and...

Starting Pau almost forces Lauvergne to play some minutes. Then as you said, Paul and Murray played the rest of 10th-man. Seems more logical to make Joff strictly emergency/filler and give Forbes, Murray and Paul the chance for the final spot.
Pau is also gonna suffer severely in usage. Not a high usage player but he's been productive as a focal point and by that I mean, pick and rolls, elbow passing etc. I think we need a more focused offense on the starting unit, kyle makes sense there. Kyle does really well playing "advantage" ball as Snyder would say so having him in there could help get the ball moving and can provide the same passing skills as Pau. Kind of takes away from LMA's advantage in the post though.

[raybies]

I honestly didn't know what Pop was doing with the rotation.

i think he's still trying to play the seldom played guys to give them opportunities to earn minutes. I think he's still in that phase. but it's anyone's guess.

I agree Manu should not be playing 27 minutes at his age. He was the only one setting up LMA with deep position in the PnR though.

Really missed kyle in that aspect

[TheGreatYacht]

Aldridge/Gasol
Gay/Bertans
Leonard/Paul
Forbes/Green
Parker/Murray

tbh tbh.

[Spurtacular]

Didn't read the OP; but he's got the subject right. Plenty of reasons/persons one can point to for this Dallas loss, but it seems like everybody was afraid to be assertive with Kawhi back. Their rhythms were thrown out of whack. Obviously, we're better with him overall; but this is going to be a short term problem.

[Play Boban]

KaKnee will be injured again soon enough, so this will take care of itself, tbh.

[coachmac87]

Aldridge/Gasol
Gay/Bertans
Leonard/Paul
Forbes/Green
Parker/Murray

tbh tbh.


You're a savage:lmao

[cjw]

I don't think a rotation can really be stable unless Pau comes off the bench. You have a projected top 10 of Parker, Green. Leonard, Aldridge, Gasol, Mills, Ginobili, Anderson, Gay and...

Starting Pau almost forces Lauvergne to play some minutes. Then as you said, Paul and Murray played the rest of 10th-man. Seems more logical to make Joff strictly emergency/filler and give Forbes, Murray and Paul the chance for the final spot.

They've could stagger Aldridge and Gasol more - basically 5 minutes per half together and 7-8 minutes of only Pau (25 mpg) and 11-12 minutes of only Aldridge (33 mpg).

About 400 minutes together in 25 games both have played, so 16 minutes per game so a little bit more together and less staggering. Minutes could also expand in playoffs that let Aldridge go 36 and Pau 28 = gets you to 13 minutes together and 35 staggered. Issue is if you start to see foul trouble, you have to dust off Joffrey. Kawhi’s return may also result in more staggering if he, Gay or Anderson see more time on the floor as a 4.

Depends on opponent as well. The Gasol/Aldridge pairing has been good but would get torched defending the perimeter. Not as useful against Houston or the non-traditional Warriors lineups

[BillMc]

Didn't read the OP; but he's got the subject right. Plenty of reasons/persons one can point to for this Dallas loss, but it seems like everybody was afraid to be assertive with Kawhi back. Their rhythms were thrown out of whack. Obviously, we're better with him overall; but this is going to be a short term problem.

This. Natural adjustment period. Nothing to see here.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Rotation will be funky because there are a lot of important players on minutes restriction - Parker, Kawhi, Gay apparently, Danny right now too. Anderson coming back may help or make things even more messed up. And finally, Pau being a token starter will hurt the team in some games, he's got to move to the bench to make things clearer.

[phxspurfan]

Been saying Joff sucks since I was yelling it at opening night. We need a real big like Noel, etc.

Again, PATFO struck out as the Nets got Okafor for Trevor Booker.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21703295/brooklyn-nets-acquire-jahlil-okafor-nik-stauskas-trading-trevor-booker-philadelphia-76ers

[r0drig0lac]

Aldridge/Gasol
Gay/Bertans
Leonard/Paul
Forbes/Green
Parker/Murray

tbh tbh.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[jyra]

I really don't want to see Manu-Forbes-Mills playing together anymore. That 3 man lineup has a DefRtg of 127.1 and NetRtg of -18 over 98 minutes (https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759&sort=MIN&dir=1&GroupQuantity=3), the worst of all combinations that have been played 80+ minutes. When you also throw in Lauvergne the defense just becomes a total train wreck.

[MaNu4Tres]

I really don't want to see Manu-Forbes-Mills playing together anymore. That 3 man lineup has a DefRtg of 127.1 and NetRtg of -18 over 98 minutes (https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759&sort=MIN&dir=1&GroupQuantity=3), the worst of all combinations that have been played 80+ minutes. When you also throw in Lauvergne the defense just becomes a total train wreck.

I tried to warn everyone about this.

Going ultra small with Manu or Forbes at SF will kill the perimeter defense off the bench.

[SAGirl]

I really don't want to see Manu-Forbes-Mills playing together anymore. That 3 man lineup has a DefRtg of 127.1 and NetRtg of -18 over 98 minutes (https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759&sort=MIN&dir=1&GroupQuantity=3), the worst of all combinations that have been played 80+ minutes. When you also throw in Lauvergne the defense just becomes a total train wreck.


I tried to warn everyone about this.

Going ultra small with Manu or Forbes at SF will kill the perimeter defense off the bench.
I feel like Pop likes Forbes game and wants to fit him in but the microcombos are extremely defensively challenged. Even in the first half they couldn’t stop anybody, but at least they were making shots.

Team misses Kawhi and Kyle period.

[offset formation]

I know it sounds crazy but I'd love to see Kawhi come in and roll with his own crew...Joffre/Pau, Kyle/Gay, Kawhi, Mills/Forbes, Murray/Parker.

Let Aldridge and company keep doing their thing.

I think we have 2 very solid starting teams to run at other teams where we have a solid star to superstar on the court at all times.

Then let the situation at the end of games dictate which of them need to be on the floor.

[offset formation]

I feel like Pop likes Forbes game and wants to fit him in but the microcombos are extremely defensively challenged. Even in the first half they couldn’t stop anybody, but at least they were making shots.

Team misses Kawhi and Kyle period.

Yep, we were getting abused the other night vs Detroit (IIRC) in microcombo.

[sasaint]

I know it sounds crazy but I'd love to see Kawhi come in and roll with his own crew...Joffre/Pau, Kyle/Gay, Kawhi, Mills/Forbes, Murray/Parker.

Let Aldridge and company keep doing their thing.

I think we have 2 very solid starting teams to run at other teams where we have a solid star to superstar on the court at all times.

Then let the situation at the end of games dictate which of them need to be on the floor.

Hardwood Hockey.

[cd021]

Totally agree to keep Joff strictly for foul trouble or emergency..and Forbes has earned his spot but if he's "off" like tonight Pop can't ride that hand too much.

So you don't think Pau should start? Who should start? I don't disagree with that but I just don't see how you can make that change with Kyle being hurt and literally never seeing LMA, Gay and Kawhi on th court..

Would prefer:

Parker-Green-Leonard-Gay-Aldridge
Mills-Forbes-Manu-Anderson-Gasol


Parker-Mills-Murray
Green-Manu-White
*Leonard-Forbes- Paul
Gay-Anderson-Bertans
Aldridge-Gasol

*(Forbes plays the minutes behind Kawhi but Manu would be the three in the Mills-Forbes-Manu-Anderson-Gasol bench unit)

Gasol has played well but moving him to the bench opens up minutes for Anderson and Forbes with Bertans having a clearer path to playing time as well.

[keithington1]

I think Derrick Whits is better than Forbes as a shooting guard. He's also better than Paul.

[SAGirl]

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[TD 21]

Last night was a potentially ominous sign. With a close to full rotation, he initially (inexplicably) went with Lauvergne as the backup C, before going away from him in the 2nd half when he was reminded for the umpteenth time in the past 3+ seasons, that this team labors to score. The 10th man needs to be one of Bertans, Forbes or Paul, depending on match-up and whose playing well.



I don't think a rotation can really be stable unless Pau comes off the bench. You have a projected top 10 of Parker, Green. Leonard, Aldridge, Gasol, Mills, Ginobili, Anderson, Gay and...

Starting Pau almost forces Lauvergne to play some minutes. Then as you said, Paul and Murray played the rest of 10th-man. Seems more logical to make Joff strictly emergency/filler and give Forbes, Murray and Paul the chance for the final spot.

Whether starting or off the bench, Gasol isn't being limited to roughly 12 mpg (in non blowouts) backing up Aldridge. So the question is, do you prefer the other roughly 12 mpg that he's inevitably going to get, to come in the first 6 minutes of the 1st and 3rd quarters or at some other point? To me, as long as it's generally not the last 6 minutes of the 4th quarter (in non blowouts), I don't really care.

Lauvergne can be strictly emergency/filler with Gasol starting. We've already seen it in a bunch of games.




I tried to warn everyone about this.


Going ultra small with Manu or Forbes at SF will kill the perimeter defense off the bench.

Forbes shouldn't enter until early 2nd and 4th quarters, when Parker and Green re-enter for Mills and Ginobili.

[Snaq O'Meal]

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Everyone but the head coach thought it was an atrocious combo.

[coachmac87]

Everyone but the head coach thought it was an atrocious combo.

Them playing together has nothing to do with their defense and everything to do how they fit offensively...

Bette stat to gauge their success is offensive rating not defensive lol

[tholdren]

940974886209642496

Lol shit stat

[vander]

yeah, once everybody is healthy, there is no reason for Lauvergne to ever be on the court. Sub Gasol out early, and then him and LMA are not on the court together the rest of the game

[MaNu4Tres]

Parker - Green - Kawhi - Kyle - LA
Forbes - Manu - Gay - Bertans - Gasol

[Atl Spur]

1. Gay & Leonard both can run pick and roll with Aldridge
2. Gay & Leonard can run P-N-R with each other
3. All 3 can post up (abuse teams going small)
4. Pair Green with them for defense/shooting
5. Parker
2nd unit: mills,Gino,Kyle,Bertans,Pau

[Atl Spur]

Parker - Green - Kawhi - Kyle - LA
Forbes - Manu - Gay - Bertans - Gasol

You beat me to it! Lol

[r0drig0lac]

yeah, once everybody is healthy, there is no reason for Lauvergne to ever be on the court. Sub Gasol out early, and then him and LMA are not on the court together the rest of the game
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[alfahdlan]

Parker - Green - Kawhi - Kyle - LA
Forbes - Manu - Gay - Bertans - Gasol

During the dallas-spurs game, leonard used the pick provided by gasol throughout maybe that's why he didn’t get his touches. In that line up is aldridge going to be the designated pick setter?

[SAGirl]

I don't think a rotation can really be stable unless Pau comes off the bench. You have a projected top 10 of Parker, Green. Leonard, Aldridge, Gasol, Mills, Ginobili, Anderson, Gay and...

Starting Pau almost forces Lauvergne to play some minutes. Then as you said, Paul and Murray played the rest of 10th-man. Seems more logical to make Joff strictly emergency/filler and give Forbes, Murray and Paul the chance for the final spot.
WHat do you think of Pops rotation? He definitely went back to starting and playing Pau 30 minutes..

I thought good call on having Rudy on the bench for now. He looked rusty.

However, I don’t like Pop playing 12 guys this late. It would have been 13 if Danny had been available. That’s too many. He might be doing it bc there’s no garbage time for some guys to get some play, and it probably doesn’t matter but it is unusual and gives me the impression he’s not sure what to do at this point.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Forbes needs to be out of the lineup completely. If a young guy is given some run it needs to be White. Forbes is a matador on the defensive end...a matador who can't stop his momentum and falls into the bull shooting his 3.

His -19 in 6 minutes against Denver last night was no fluke. He is wasted space at the NBA level. He doesn't belong on an NBA roster....terrible.

[SAGirl]

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Not shooting well from 2 either and he doesn’t do anything else but shoot.

[tholdren]

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Not shooting well from 2 either and he doesn’t do anything else but shoot.

Rich mans patty mills tbh

[Chinook]

WHat do you think of Pops rotation? He definitely went back to starting and playing Pau 30 minutes..

I thought good call on having Rudy on the bench for now. He looked rusty.

However, I don’t like Pop playing 12 guys this late. It would have been 13 if Danny had been available. That’s too many. He might be doing it bc there’s no garbage time for some guys to get some play, and it probably doesn’t matter but it is unusual and gives me the impression he’s not sure what to do at this point.

Everyone on the team other than LMA and maybe Mills is playing worse than they had been earlier. The rotation can't stabilize when you can't count on more than one guy night in and night out. Pop NEEDS to play 10 guys, but right now he's hoping that 8/13 guys can do enough to be pluses on the court. He's been getting four or five instead.

Gay should stay on the bench with Joff (I'll clean the vomit up later). Have Murray, Green, Anderson, Aldridge and Gasol start and Parker, Mills, Manu, Gay and Joff off the bench. Mills starting would likely lead to a better balance in the unit, but that would depend on Kyle stepping up offensively (would be the only perimeter play-maker). The team is struggling with Parker/Mills as a backcourt, but Patty is playing too well and Tony is not going to be benched.

Pop should just put Forbes, Bertans and Paul on the deep bench in situational lineups only. They all have their positives, but they can't be counted on game in and game out.

[cd021]

I think i'd prefer;

Murray-Mills-Green-Anderson-LMA

Parker-Manu-Gay-Bertans-Joff:depressed

tbh.

[SAGirl]

Everyone on the team other than LMA and maybe Mills is playing worse than they had been earlier. The rotation can't stabilize when you can't count on more than one guy night in and night out. Pop NEEDS to play 10 guys, but right now he's hoping that 8/13 guys can do enough to be pluses on the court. He's been getting four or five instead.

Gay should stay on the bench with Joff (I'll clean the vomit up later). Have Murray, Green, Anderson, Aldridge and Gasol start and Parker, Mills, Manu, Gay and Joff off the bench. Mills starting would likely lead to a better balance in the unit, but that would depend on Kyle stepping up offensively (would be the only perimeter play-maker). The team is struggling with Parker/Mills as a backcourt, but Patty is playing too well and Tony is not going to be benched.

Pop should just put Forbes, Bertans and Paul on the deep bench in situational lineups only. They all have their positives, but they can't be counted on game in and game out.
Thanks for replying. :tu. Good take. It's so late to be playing all 13 guys and Pop has changed them around so often this season. They have very little margin for error now.

In terms of performance, I have been most disappointed with Gasol. Hopefully he gets his game back bc he's in negative impact territory for many games now. He really struggles with the fast perimeter teams.

[UZER]

What rotation?

[SAGirl]

I think i'd prefer;

Murray-Mills-Green-Anderson-LMA

Parker-Manu-Gay-Bertans-Joff:depressed

tbh.
Like this too.

I am really not a big fan of the two big lineups since last year and although Pau started the season really well, he has fizzled out. There's no way he gets benched now after he made such a big deal about it to Young though.

[Slippy]

Saw some of the worst displays of team defense committed by Forbes & Joeff last night. They are not helpful at all & make way too many mistakes on d to be counted on .Cut them out of rotation to spot mins is a good start, pop.

[TD 21]

I don't get the insistence on being as imbalanced and playing as many players as possible. The starting lineup is huge, but has no perimeter scorer/creator, two non shooters and only one high volume, above average range shooter, while the bench is so tiny that constant mixing and matching is required because they can't all play together. None of it makes any sense.

Gay/Bertans
Green/Anderson
Aldridge/Gasol
Mills/Ginobili
Murray/Parker

Would only play Bertans spot minutes though. If they're doing their usual can't hit a 3 to save their life routine and he's on, he plays more at the expense of Anderson or Mills. If not, he doesn't.




I think i'd prefer;

Murray-Mills-Green-Anderson-LMA

Parker-Manu-Gay-Bertans-Joff:depressed

tbh.

:lmao Lauvergne over Gasol. Every player goes through slumps, but even at his worst, there's far more upside to the latter than the former even at his best.

[cd021]

I don't get the insistence on being as imbalanced and playing as many players as possible. The starting lineup is huge, but has no perimeter scorer/creator, two non shooters and only one high volume, above average range shooter, while the bench is so tiny that constant mixing and matching is required because they can't all play together. None of it makes any sense.

Gay/Bertans
Green/Anderson
Aldridge/Gasol
Mills/Ginobili
Murray/Parker

Would only play Bertans spot minutes though. If they're doing their usual can't hit a 3 to save their life routine and he's on, he plays more at the expense of Anderson or Mills. If not, he doesn't.





:lmao Lauvergne over Gasol. Every player goes through slumps, but even at his worst, there's far more upside to the latter than the former even at his best.

:lol
I actually forgot about Gasol tbh. Chain Joff to the deep bench, Saw style .

[SAGirl]

Much better rotation management this game.

[Hoops Czar]

Much better rotation management this game.

And the best part of the rotation.. .

Bertans 1 minute
Laughverne 5 minutes