'18 mvp bron or harden?

[Bynumite]

Better record and stats in a stronger conference>>>>>>>>>Whatever Lebron is doing.

I'm not sure what people in this thread are still arguing about. Especially when you can make the case for several other players being ahead of Lebron in the mvp race.

Lebron and Harden are not neck and neck.

[djohn2oo8]

I agree with SOME of what you are saying but will media?
Lebron hit a walkoff, made the decisive defensive play, a triple double and almost dropped 40 all media narrative friendly

The media did call him out hard for the mess in Cleveland. But MVP doesn't matter. Beating GS matters.

[StrengthAndHonor]

son without those fake free throws your nigga harden is just mitch richmond with better pg skills. I will seriously celebrate when that nigga breaks something, just an affront to the game smh. In the late 80s, they would've punched this niggas teeth out on a daily basis.
That’s harsh. Mitch was a classic one dimensional player. He was a glorified Jim Jackson.

[Mikeanaro]

Lebron is much better than Harden, there is no reason to give this clown the MVP but since last year Westcrook got one after finishing 6th in the west anything is possible.

[dfens]

That’s harsh. Mitch was a classic one dimensional player. He was a glorified Jim Jackson.

I know it's harsh son, harden is actually very talented imo. But his game is unwatchable, horrible basketball and horrible ethics.

[RsxPiimp]

out of harden, kd, wb...why is hardens game more easier to watch, then the other 2 fakes?

are you blind bruh? easy to watch :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwayhBsy60s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EIZPQ4_UQc

[RsxPiimp]

you know what, I agree, take LeBron out of the conversation but no way harden is better or more valuable than giannis or heck even westbrook.


considering westbrook broke the usual trend of best player of the best team mvp narrative, harden shouldn't be nowhere near it.

[RsxPiimp]

Beating GS matters.

reaching the finals matters. I thought the whole idea of bringing a pg of cp3's caliber is to allow harden to ease up a bit in carrying the load yet here we go again with bin flooring that gas pedal in the regular season :lol

[Killakobe81]

The media did call him out hard for the mess in Cleveland. But MVP doesn't matter. Beating GS matters.

djohn that is why i fux with ya ...absolutely.
Harden is fave and should win based on season so far ...
but its just a media award ...
i was speaking from media perspective

[djohn2oo8]

you know what, I agree, take LeBron out of the conversation but no way harden is better or more valuable than giannis or heck even westbrook.


considering westbrook broke the usual trend of best player of the best team mvp narrative, harden shouldn't be nowhere near it.

Harden is worth more wins to his team than Westbrook is to his. 0.5 games back of Golden State. You watch too much of Skip Bayless.

[Killakobe81]

Media narrative gonna pick up steam ...
3 straight national TV wins with Huge games from LeBron ...with a Atl blowout added as well ...
Harden still my pick but LeBron may steal it back ...no one on his team is as good as Paul ...

[phxspurfan]

MVP is Durant again

[Killakobe81]

MVP is Durant again

maybe ... but James dropped 37 8 and 8 on TNT ...
and did it with 4 new teammates ...
harden was amazing too ...
but watching parts of both games ...James was the best player tonight ...

[Killakobe81]

And Lebron got stans like Nick Wright, Cowherd and Max kellerman arguing his case evey day on FS1 and ESPN ...

[Reeko_Htown]

Media narrative gonna pick up steam ... 3 straight national TV wins with Huge games from LeBron ...with a Atl blowout added as well ...Harden still my pick but LeBron may steal it back ...no one on his team is as good as Paul ...Cavs better have a better record than Rockets. Media eating shit after Westbrook shitting the bed this season

[djohn2oo8]

Media narrative gonna pick up steam ...
3 straight national TV wins with Huge games from LeBron ...with a Atl blowout added as well ...
Harden still my pick but LeBron may steal it back ...no one on his team is as good as Paul ...

West > East. Also, it looks like LeBron's teammates are better because of trades. He can win it, as long as he brings his big ass down to Houston next year.

[Killakobe81]

West > East. Also, it looks like LeBron's teammates are better because of trades. He can win it, as long as he brings his big ass down to Houston next year.

of course but two of those wins vs OkC and Minny

[djohn2oo8]

of course but two of those wins vs OkC and Minny

Rockets smacked Minny down tonight. Also smacked down the Cavs.

[sook]

of course but two of those wins vs OkC and Minny

...lol you haven’t been paying attention to who the rockets have beaten, mostly because it hasn’t mattered. They’ve been smacking around everyone they’re on the court with and it all starts with Jimmy. Nobody talks about his scoring night in and out because 35/7/7 is a normal day.

[HarlemHeat37]

LeBron is back at #1 on the list, tbh..Harden has been the best player in the league, but he should be punished for having a teammate nearly as good as him, just like Curry/Durant get hit..

[sook]

^overall shit take. When it was Kyrie and Love nobody said shit about his stacked team. :lmao
Also, for having a teammate “as good as him” the rockets are pretty much at .500 with just Paul—a simple google search could have told you that.

Tbh I hope Lebron wins it, Harden needs to come out with a chip on his shoulder. And the reason people stop posting here is that the collective b-ball IQ of this forum is equivalent to that of a watermelon.

[LkrFan]

And Lebron got stans like Nick Wright, Cowherd and Max kellerman arguing his case evey day on FS1 and ESPN ...

I still got Bin Harden, but LeHype has closed the gap. They just had b2b impressive road wins vs Cs and Thunderup. This with an on the fly roster rebuild. He's been with his new teammates less than a week! :lmao

LeHype has to beat the Rockets or Dubs to wrestle it away from Bin IMO. He has the Cavs looking like world beaters again. Without Love no less. Impressive tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

^overall shit take. When it was Kyrie and Love nobody said shit about his stacked team. :lmao
Also, for having a teammate “as good as him” the rockets are pretty much at .500 with just Paul—a simple google search could have told you that.

Tbh I hope Lebron wins it, Harden needs to come out with a chip on his shoulder. And the reason people stop posting here is that the collective b-ball IQ of this forum is equivalent to that of a watermelon.

:lol. Just a week ago they said LeBron had quit on his team. Guess some people get a pass for that.

[Clipper Nation]

If LeMVP doesn't win, it's a travesty. The award should go to the most valuable basketball player, not the most shameless flopper and refballer.

[Double-Up]

If LeMVP doesn't win, it's a travesty. The award should go to the most valuable basketball player, not the most shameless flopper and refballer.

Nigga shut that shit up, LeDickrider. :lol

[djohn2oo8]

If LeMVP doesn't win, it's a travesty. The award should go to the most valuable basketball player, not the most shameless flopper and refballer.

You sure were quiet that game they got dicksmacked by 35 on national tv.

[Killakobe81]

...lol you haven’t been paying attention to who the rockets have beaten, mostly because it hasn’t mattered. They’ve been smacking around everyone they’re on the court with and it all starts with Jimmy. Nobody talks about his scoring night in and out because 35/7/7 is a normal day.
Look i changed my vote to Harden ...when LeBron was getting blown out every other day ...
But not sure media will feel the same ...
He absolutely gotta own that previous team quit on him.
But if he keeos droppibg 35 8 8 games on TNT/ABC/ESPN and they win?!
Media narrative will be he embraced 3 guys from losing teams ...and provided the leadership to build a contender instantly ...all while the only other all star is out with a broken hand.
While Harden gets to play with the Point Gawd ...
Not saying he shuld win ...just saying he gonna make it close and if he does ...he might steal it.

[djohn2oo8]

Look i changed my vote to Harden ...when LeBron was getting blown out every other day ...
But not sure media will feel the same ...
He absolutely gotta own that previous team quit on him.
But if he keeos droppibg 35 8 8 games on TNT/ABC/ESPN and they win?!
Media narrative will be he embraced 3 guys from losing teams ...and provided the leadership to build a contender instantly ...all while the only other all star is out with a broken hand.
While Harden gets to play with the Point Gawd ...
Not saying he shuld win ...just saying he gonna make it close and if he does ...he might steal it.
The fact Harden plays with Paul, Westbrook plays with 2 other all stars and is 1 game out of 8th place. Harden and Paul are making it work by being unselfish. Success is not guaranteed just by having another all star or two.

[Clipper Nation]

You sure were quiet that game they got dicksmacked by 35 on national tv.
And you were quiet when Frauden got blown out by 39 in Game 6.

[djohn2oo8]

And you were quiet when Frauden got blown out by 39 in Game 6.

Yep he owns that. Never disputed it. But we are talking about regular season awards. And according to you he is a regular season player, so not sure what your gripe is against a regular season award.

[LkrFan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg5KUo9iCOY

[sook]

Look i changed my vote to Harden ...when LeBron was getting blown out every other day ...
But not sure media will feel the same ...
He absolutely gotta own that previous team quit on him.
But if he keeos droppibg 35 8 8 games on TNT/ABC/ESPN and they win?!
Media narrative will be he embraced 3 guys from losing teams ...and provided the leadership to build a contender instantly ...all while the only other all star is out with a broken hand.
While Harden gets to play with the Point Gawd ...
Not saying he shuld win ...just saying he gonna make it close and if he does ...he might steal it.

That’s fine and the narrative is bullshit is all I’m saying. Harden is putting up those same numbers against better competition night in and out—-and winning. He makes the most out of his teammates which is why nobody gives him the WB treatment of no help. CP3 apparently isn’t an all star so this rockets team has less than the Cavs. This stuff is for the lowest common denominator of NBA fan that can’t reason past the one or two games they hear. It’s absurd but I really hope Harden gets snubbed. The goal posts move every yr and they gave a guy who averaged like 0.4 rebounds more than him the award despite barely making the playoffs. This rockets team didn’t have any all stars last year. He doesn’t get the kid glove treatment Westbrook got then and Lebron is now. 3 fucking wins and he’s above the guy doing it night in and out and winning :lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

^overall shit take. When it was Kyrie and Love nobody said shit about his stacked team. :lmao
Also, for having a teammate “as good as him” the rockets are pretty much at .500 with just Paul—a simple google search could have told you that.

Tbh I hope Lebron wins it, Harden needs to come out with a chip on his shoulder. And the reason people stop posting here is that the collective b-ball IQ of this forum is equivalent to that of a watermelon.

LeBron never won MVP with Kyrie and Love, he was clearly punished for having high-end teammates, sorry boss:lol

Chris Paul is 5th in the NBA in box plus minus and 1st among PGs in RPM..Harden's been the best player in the league, like I said earlier, but how can you win MVP when you have such a valuable teammate? Clint Capela is a monster, too:wow

1. LeBron
2. Giannis
3. Westbrook
4. Harden
5. Kyrie

Harden is a lock to win it, though..the media is buying into this Rockets shit..

[Killakobe81]

That’s fine and the narrative is bullshit is all I’m saying. Harden is putting up those same numbers against better competition night in and out—-and winning. He makes the most out of his teammates which is why nobody gives him the WB treatment of no help. CP3 apparently isn’t an all star so this rockets team has less than the Cavs. This stuff is for the lowest common denominator of NBA fan that can’t reason past the one or two games they hear. It’s absurd but I really hope Harden gets snubbed. The goal posts move every yr and they gave a guy who averaged like 0.4 rebounds more than him the award despite barely making the playoffs. This rockets team didn’t have any all stars last year. He doesn’t get the kid glove treatment Westbrook got then and Lebron is now. 3 fucking wins and he’s above the guy doing it night in and out and winning :lmao

You make valid points and SAS agrees with you 100% ...said so on his show today ...but Max disagreed and im sure Cowherd will also be on his side as will the biggest LeBron stan (not named CN)...Nick Wright.
They have national TV shows that help spin the narratives ...
btw as great as Bron was last night he was negative plus/minus...
like i said i was flipping back and forth ...but pretty sure Harden was a net positive ...

[Bynumite]

Couple of wins and LeCoon fans coming out of the woodwork like somehow that erases an underwhelming 1st half of the season :lol

LeCoon is the only player that enters and leaves the mvp race on a game to game basis. His chances are only as good as his last statline. LeCoon fans are comedy.

[RsxPiimp]

LeBron never won MVP with Kyrie and Love, he was clearly punished for having high-end teammates, sorry boss:lol

Chris Paul is 5th in the NBA in box plus minus and 1st among PGs in RPM..Harden's been the best player in the league, like I said earlier, but how can you win MVP when you have such a valuable teammate?

Harden is a lock to win it, though..the media is buying into this Rockets shit..

yeah. i don’t understand how curry/kd are penalized for having mvp caliber teammates but harden gets a nice pass:lol


no way lebron wins it at this point. the media’s on hardens dick so he’ll run away with it.


just funny to see bin flooring the pedal to the metal when he publicly admitted his mvp chase last year was the reason he “ran out of gas” in the playoffs llol

[AlexJones]

LeBron never won MVP with Kyrie and Love, he was clearly punished for having high-end teammates, sorry boss:lol

Chris Paul is 5th in the NBA in box plus minus and 1st among PGs in RPM..Harden's been the best player in the league, like I said earlier, but how can you win MVP when you have such a valuable teammate? Clint Capela is a monster, too:wow

1. LeBron
2. Giannis
3. Westbrook
4. Harden
5. Kyrie

Harden is a lock to win it, though..the media is buying into this Rockets shit..

All the sharp gamblers on twitter are buying into the Rockets tbf

[Double-Up]

LeBron never won MVP with Kyrie and Love, he was clearly punished for having high-end teammates, sorry boss:lol

Chris Paul is 5th in the NBA in box plus minus and 1st among PGs in RPM..Harden's been the best player in the league, like I said earlier, but how can you win MVP when you have such a valuable teammate? Clint Capela is a monster, too:wow

1. LeBron
2. Giannis
3. Westbrook
4. Harden
5. Kyrie

Harden is a lock to win it, though..the media is buying into this Rockets shit..

Westbrook has two all stars with him and a worse record yet you put him before Harden on your shitty list? Whatever the fuck your drinking pass it here...:lol

[Double-Up]

yeah. i don’t understand how curry/kd are penalized for having mvp caliber teammates but harden gets a nice pass:lol


no way lebron wins it at this point. the media’s on hardens dick so he’ll run away with it.


just funny to see bin flooring the pedal to the metal when he publicly admitted his mvp chase last year was the reason he “ran out of gas” in the playoffs llol

They have 4 all stars? Is that a serious fucking question? LOL at lakerfan logic.

[Clipper Nation]

Westbrook has two all stars with him and a worse record yet you put him before Harden on your shitty list? Whatever the fuck your drinking pass it here...:lol
Counting Fatmelo as a star is really reaching, tbh. MVPbrook is more deserving than Frauden.

[RsxPiimp]

They have 4 all stars? Is that a serious fucking question? LOL at lakerfan logic.

all star argument bruh? really man lol. donkey and klay doesn’t even deserve their spots this year tbh. heck they plugged a rookie jordan bell and he’s been replicating greens production in limited minutes.

[djohn2oo8]

Counting Fatmelo as a star is really reaching, tbh. MVPbrook is more deserving than Frauden.

Melo. All star. George, All Star. and are like 15 games behind Houston and GS. :lol

Unless you wanna throw that bullshit "needs more help" excuse out there again.

[LkrFan]

Westbrook has two all stars with him and a worse record yet you put him before Harden on your shitty list? Whatever the fuck your drinking pass it here...:lol

:lmao

[LkrFan]

Counting Fatmelo as a star is really reaching, tbh. MVPbrook is more deserving than Frauden.

OKC vs H-town in the playoffs this year. Who you got son?

[Clipper Nation]

OKC vs H-town in the playoffs this year. Who you got son?
I'm picking OKC until Frauden and CP0 prove they aren't choke artists.

[djohn2oo8]

I'm picking OKC until Frauden and CP0 prove they aren't choke artists.

lol Harden already knocked Westbrook out last year.

[SAGirl]

964017909445070848

[Fabbs]

LeBron

LeBrons triple doubles earned, >>>>> stat padding flopper who runs 1-2-3 on bullshit FTs with the Twinke Twins Durbetta and Stephon.

[Clipper Nation]

968672234721239040

MVP. GOAT.

[djohn2oo8]

968672234721239040

MVP. GOAT.

Shouldn't you be watching your own team tonight :lol

[StrengthAndHonor]

You guys are reaching. The debate ended January 29, 2018. Lebron’s yesterday news.

[StrengthAndHonor]

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[Chris Fall]

I know he gets plenty of criticism on these boards and he’s not in the MVP discussion. But take a look at Kevin Durant’s February numbers. It’s not the flashy triple double wow stats. But his shooting numbers for the month were stupid crazy. Over 60% from the field, over 53% from three point range. For a jumpshooting wing. I mean for an entire month...

It’s still Harden or LeBron. And Durant may not even be top 5 in the MVP race. But while there’s been a small amount of hype over what Anthony Davis has been doing recently, I thought I’d mention how crazy a shooting month Durant had in his own right.

[Killakobe81]

I know he gets plenty of criticism on these boards and he’s not in the MVP discussion. But take a look at Kevin Durant’s February numbers. It’s not the flashy triple double wow stats. But his shooting numbers for the month were stupid crazy. Over 60% from the field, over 53% from three point range. For a jumpshooting wing. I mean for an entire month...

It’s still Harden or LeBron. And Durant may not even be top 5 in the MVP race. But while there’s been a small amount of hype over what Anthony Davis has been doing recently, I thought I’d mention how crazy a shooting month Durant had in his own right.

Great points he has to be at least top 5 if not 4 ...

[ambchang]

AT this point it’s gotta be:
Harden
Unibrow
Lebron
Durant
Curry

[Clipper Nation]

I know he gets plenty of criticism on these boards and he’s not in the MVP discussion. But take a look at Kevin Durant’s February numbers. It’s not the flashy triple double wow stats. But his shooting numbers for the month were stupid crazy. Over 60% from the field, over 53% from three point range. For a jumpshooting wing. I mean for an entire month...

It’s still Harden or LeBron. And Durant may not even be top 5 in the MVP race. But while there’s been a small amount of hype over what Anthony Davis has been doing recently, I thought I’d mention how crazy a shooting month Durant had in his own right.
It's easy to be efficient when you're bandwagoning the most stacked team in NBA history. Nothing Durbeta does in a Warriors uniform will ever be impressive.

[Chris Fall]

60%+ from the field and 50%+ from 3PT over the course of a month, 11 games, for a jumpshooting wing would be impressive if he played for the original Dream Team in their prime and only scrimmaged the Little Sisters of the Poor club team.

Temper the hate with a little realism. It’s impressive. You don’t have to like it. You don’t have to like him. You don’t have to like his team. His shooting and scoring efficiency for February was ridiculously impressive.

[Killakobe81]

60%+ from the field and 50%+ from 3PT over the course of a month, 11 games, for a jumpshooting wing would be impressive if he played for the original Dream Team in their prime and only scrimmaged the Little Sisters of the Poor club team.

Temper the hate with a little realism. It’s impressive. You don’t have to like it. You don’t have to like him. You don’t have to like his team. His shooting and scoring efficiency for February was ridiculously impressive.

Exactly. Was Lebron's MVP any less impressive with Wade and Bosh riding shotgun? CN defended him joining forces ...never took anything away from his championing his cause...

[djohn2oo8]

Exactly. Was Lebron's MVP any less impressive with Wade and Bosh riding shotgun? CN defended him joining forces ...never took anything away from his championing his cause...
Can't tell the difference between CN and Brian no neck Windhorst.

[RsxPiimp]

harden’s going to have an epic choke in the playoffs. 07 dirk level bad.

[Clipper Nation]

Exactly. Was Lebron's MVP any less impressive with Wade and Bosh riding shotgun? CN defended him joining forces ...never took anything away from his championing his cause...
Take LeBron off that Heat team and they're maybe a second-round exit in year one and then a treadmill team in decline after that. Take Durbeta off the Warriors and they win it all and then follow it up with a 73-win season.

[140]

It's easy to be efficient when you're bandwagoning the most stacked team in NBA history. Nothing Durbeta does in a Warriors uniform will ever be impressive.

[Killakobe81]

968672234721239040

MVP. GOAT.

harden gonna win (and should probably) but hard to find a better performance than Lebron put on Giannis last night when you consider (outside Kiwi) ...no one can defend him better from a physical standpoint and james dropped 40 10 and 10

[sook]

harden gonna win (and should probably) but hard to find a better performance than Lebron put on Giannis last night when you consider (outside Kiwi) ...no one can defend him better from a physical standpoint and james dropped 40 10 and 10

..... you mean like a 60 point triple double :lol

[Killakobe81]

..... you mean like a 60 point triple double :lol
Sook i have supported Harden and he should win mvp imho ...
However 40 10 and 10 pn national tv defended by Giannis rates high as amazing as that 60 triple double was .. and it probably cemented him mvp ...it wasnt on national tv and was not versus a top notch defender ...but neither was Kobe's 81 (unless nbatv counts)

[sook]

Sook i have supported Harden and he should win mvp imho ...
However 40 10 and 10 pn national tv defended by Giannis rates high as amazing as that 60 triple double was .. and it probably cemented him mvp ...it wasnt on national tv and was not versus a top notch defender ...but neither was Kobe's 81 (unless nbatv counts)

:lmao

[spursistan]

I hate his style and guts but Harden is the MVP and it aint even close :lol..

Best player on a 60+win team with the best overall league record. Let's not overthink this shit again and allow travesties like Westbrook's MVP to happen in the future..

In light of what you are seeing out of this Spurs team; Russ basically stole Kawhi's MVP last year with a media-abetted triple-double craze..

[Killakobe81]

:lmao

not sure why u being so sensitive.
most of the media agrees Harden will win.
I also think he deserves to win.
Just making two points
1 doing big performances on national TV matters ...
2 Lebron is making a late push that has been impressive ...
none of that detracts from the amazing and more consistent season Harden has had...
Im pretty sure not every mvp voter has watched both guys for all 82 games ...i have LP and probably seen half so many voters will just look at stats/boxscores ...and harden shouldvwin based off those ...
Again as great as Harden has been when lebron plays like last night hard to say anyone even harden is better ...but that doesnt mean Bron should be mvp tho...he was also blown out multiple timrs on national TV ...havent fogot those either.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I hate his style and guts but Harden is the MVP and it aint even close :lol..

Best player on a 60+win team with the best overall league record. Let's not overthink this shit again and allow travesties like Westbrook's MVP to happen in the future...
It’s probably unanimous at this point.

[Killakobe81]

Harden was amazing dropped a mvp performance on Dame and company..

[AlexJones]

Kobe had a stronger case for 06 MVP than Russ did last year tbh

[Tmac&Luther]

Kobe had a stronger case for 06 MVP than Russ did last year tbh

Harden had a better case for MVP last year than Westbitch also.. he was on the 3rd seeded team without Chris Paul (Not the 6th seeded team) and damn near averaged a triple double himself. (29 ppg, 11 apg, and 8 rpg) He had the award stolen from him last season. Especially with the way Westbrook and his teammates let him statwhore rebounds. They basically would just box out and let him grab every uncontested rebound, He was taking rebounds away from his own bigs, it was embarrassingly shameful.

[djohn2oo8]

Harden had a better case for MVP last year than Westbitch also.. he was on the 3rd seeded team without Chris Paul (Not the 6th seeded team) and damn near averaged a triple double himself. (29 ppg, 11 apg, and 8 rpg) He had the award stolen from him last season. Especially with the way Westbrook and his teammates let him statwhore rebounds. They basically would just box out and let him grab every uncontested rebound, He was taking rebounds away from his own bigs, it was embarrassingly shameful.

Damn son hadn't seen you around these parts since 2009 ish.

[LkrFan]

Bin Harden is the real MVP

[Killakobe81]

Harden had a better case for MVP last year than Westbitch also.. he was on the 3rd seeded team without Chris Paul (Not the 6th seeded team) and damn near averaged a triple double himself. (29 ppg, 11 apg, and 8 rpg) He had the award stolen from him last season. Especially with the way Westbrook and his teammates let him statwhore rebounds. They basically would just box out and let him grab every uncontested rebound, He was taking rebounds away from his own bigs, it was embarrassingly shameful.

welcome back and Harden is the mvp ...
Bron gonna go off tonight in response to last night...but i think case closed. Great seasons by both guys but Harden is MVP.

[jacobdrj]

MVP (Most Valuable Player) is LeBron
Curry may be the only reasonable runner-up.
MOP (Most Outstanding Player) is Harden. He has taken his game to a truly amazing entertaining level. A few other players have a shot at MOP this year, but due to media coverage, Harden would be the heavy favorite, should this award ever come into existence...

[Clipper Nation]

Harden had a better case for MVP last year than Westbitch also.. he was on the 3rd seeded team without Chris Paul (Not the 6th seeded team) and damn near averaged a triple double himself. (29 ppg, 11 apg, and 8 rpg) He had the award stolen from him last season. Especially with the way Westbrook and his teammates let him statwhore rebounds. They basically would just box out and let him grab every uncontested rebound, He was taking rebounds away from his own bigs, it was embarrassingly shameful.

Frauden had the better supporting cast - cue the "but, but, look at the preseason power rankings!" excuse, as if that matters more than the actual games - and had the refs padding his stats for him with bogus flop calls.

Frauden was playing his usual 36+ minutes per game with a wrist injury down the stretch last year, even though their seeding was already decided, all for the sole purpose of padding his stats for the MVP discussion.

[Clipper Nation]

..... you mean like a 60 point triple double :lol

Frauden stans last year: :cry "Triple doubles are just arbitary round numbers, they don't mean anything!" :cry

Frauden stans this year: :cry "But, but, Frauden had a 60 point triple double!" :cry

[djohn2oo8]

N8erK7T_LIQ
nothing is as obvious

[Killakobe81]

all (most) of the top candidates for mvp have stat padded to some degree ...

[Clipper Nation]

N8erK7T_LIQ
nothing is as obvious
Frauden draws more (bogus) fouls on threes than entire teams do. Now that's some truly shameless stat-padding by the refs and Frauden.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/james-harden-is-still-drawing-3-point-fouls-better-than-entire-nba-teams/

[Tmac&Luther]

You are a idiot. "Bogus fouls" :lol :lmao NEWSFLASH The fouls aren't bogus..they're getting called, because he's drawing fouls. If you don't like the fouls being called...STOP FOULING HIM! The Spurs are the only damn team that does this well. FFS

[jacobdrj]

Russ was last year's MOP... LeBron was still the MVP... (I am not a fan of Russ' game, at all...)

[Clipper Nation]

You are a idiot. "Bogus fouls" :lol :lmao NEWSFLASH The fouls aren't bogus..they're getting called, because he's drawing fouls. If you don't like the fouls being called...STOP FOULING HIM! The Spurs are the only damn team that does this well. FFS
The fouls are absolutely bogus. Frauden manufactures the contact by jumping into the defender, locking arms, and flailing. The refs then reward him for it with bullshit calls.

Stop "fouling" him? How about Frauden stops flopping and starts playing basketball? He still gets these bullshit calls against the Spurs just like he does against every other team.

[djohn2oo8]

Frauden draws more (bogus) fouls on threes than entire teams do. Now that's some truly shameless stat-padding by the refs and Frauden.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/james-harden-is-still-drawing-3-point-fouls-better-than-entire-nba-teams/

And Westbrook fights his own teammates for rebounds.

[Clipper Nation]

975885541890654208

[dfens]

fuck this clown unwashed food stamp abuser.

http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2wfyzWmzf1qfmgozo1_500.gif

[Gummi Clutch]

MVP (Most Valuable Player) is LeBron
Curry may be the only reasonable runner-up.
MOP (Most Outstanding Player) is Harden. He has taken his game to a truly amazing entertaining level. A few other players have a shot at MOP this year, but due to media coverage, Harden would be the heavy favorite, should this award ever come into existence...
Have you seen the rockets play without Harden...as in even with just CP3?

This is why its hard to take people seriously..most people just follow a narrative and don't watch the games closely. I honestly don't care tbh I'm an unbiased observer here, but the hate is delusional in a lot of fans.

[RsxPiimp]

34 pts 17 assists. no turnover. 1st in nba history

legoat:wow

[RsxPiimp]

i wanna see y’all bin harden fans back in this thread come may...:lol

[Gummi Clutch]

i wanna see y’all bin harden fans back in this thread come may...:lol
I don't think anybody cares, but the fact that you have to get cherry picked stats to show up in this thread---and immediately come back running whenever you do says a lot about how this is bothering you. Its not saying anything about season ironically, its just cementing Lebron's case for being head & shoulders above the rapist in piss and gold.

I feel like you're trying too hard to distract from that main point...:lol

[Clipper Nation]

976637119157428225

MVP. GOAT. We are all witnesses.

[Killakobe81]

976637119157428225

MVP. GOAT. We are all witnesses.

i cant lie that was some magic mixed with Jordan shit .... like i said he was gonna show out ...after harden went in last night ...

[djohn2oo8]

Just gotta love CN sucking Westbrook's cock over the same things he bashed Kobe for.

[Killakobe81]

Just gotta love CN sucking Westbrook's cock over the same things he bashed Kobe for.:toast

[Clipper Nation]

Gotta love Rockets fans sucking Frauden's cock over the same things they bashed Manu for.

[Killakobe81]

I don't think anybody cares, but the fact that you have to get cherry picked stats to show up in this thread---and immediately come back running whenever you do says a lot about how this is bothering you. Its not saying anything about season ironically, its just cementing Lebron's case for being head & shoulders above the rapist in piss and gold.

I feel like you're trying too hard to distract from that main point...:lol

He will be ahead of Kobe same way he will be ahead of Duncan ...if it doesnt bother you ...

[djohn2oo8]

Gotta love Rockets fans sucking Frauden's cock over the same things they bashed Manu for.

Sorry. No Rocket's fan has ever been obsessed with Manu the way you have been obsessed with Kobe.

[Clipper Nation]

Sorry. No Rocket's fan has ever been obsessed with Manu the way you have been obsessed with Kobe.
Judging from all your posts in this thread, you're pretty obsessed with Kobe:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221573

[RsxPiimp]

I don't think anybody cares, but the fact that you have to get cherry picked stats to show up in this thread---and immediately come back running whenever you do says a lot about how this is bothering you. Its not saying anything about season ironically, its just cementing Lebron's case for being head & shoulders above the rapist in piss and gold.

I feel like you're trying too hard to distract from that main point...:lol

who gives a shit about ranking :lol i happen to enjoy lebron’s game, its that simple.

[lefty]

976637119157428225

MVP. GOAT. We are all witnesses.

So someone may have done it before him.

And lol at those stats. Next we'll have : "X player is the 1st player with 18, 6 and with 1:53 left in the 3rd quarter"

[ambchang]

He will be ahead of Kobe same way he will be ahead of Duncan ...if it doesnt bother you ...

Reminder: “will” indicates things that have yet to happen. I believe the word you actually wanted to use was “is”.

[Killakobe81]

Reminder: “will” indicates things that have yet to happen. I believe the word you actually wanted to use was “is”.

No, I meant "willl" as in when Lebron is done playing he will be considered greater than both Kobe and Duncan. He is not done yet ...sure most say he already is ...but I was speaking about the future ...so "will "was the correct usage.

[Killakobe81]

So someone may have done it before him.

And lol at those stats. Next we'll have : "X player is the 1st player with 18, 6 and with 1:53 left in the 3rd quarter"

come on now how can anyone hate on that stat line?
Most of the widely comsidered top 5 greatest players have played post 77-78 ...and he is the only one who did it ...

[Rummpd]

LA on SAS they would have 20 wins without him. Seriously Harden by a mile -his team wins and wins and wins.

[ambchang]

No, I meant "willl" as in when Lebron is done playing he will be considered greater than both Kobe and Duncan. He is not done yet ...sure most say he already is ...but I was speaking about the future ...so "will "was the correct usage.

So Lebron already is.

Not sure about will though. He could do something stupid and become such an albatross that he would hamstring an organization who has only lost consecutive playoffs once in its storied franchise and cause it to loose five in a row. Never know.

[StrengthAndHonor]

"I would vote for me," James told The Associated Press. "The body of work, how I'm doing it, what's been happening with our team all year long, how we've got so many injuries and things of that nature, guys in and out, to be able to still keep this thing afloat, I definitely would vote me."


Not an unreasonable take but has there been a more self absorbed and insecure player than LBJ? :lol I know Shaq used to say he’s the most dominant but even Jordan and another narcissist like Kobe always kept it PC when it comes to these type of recognition.

[Clipper Nation]

another narcissist like Kobe always kept it PC when it comes to these type of recognition.
:lmao Kobe guaranteed he was going to lead the Lakers in scoring and be the best player in the league in his rookie season and then didn't even come close to either one that year.

[Double-Up]

976637119157428225

MVP. GOAT. We are all witnesses.

Witnesses to the pussification of the league by super teams because of the weak shit he started years ago.

[Clipper Nation]

Witnesses to the pussification of the league by super teams because of the weak shit he started years ago.
The pussification of the league started with DK begging Stern for rules changes to help him win and concluded with Kobe being gifted MVPau as a reward for quitting on his team.

We are all witnesses to LeGOAT carrying D-League teams to Finals appearances and rings his whole career.

[djohn2oo8]

Witnesses to the pussification of the league by super teams because of the weak shit he started years ago.

He has a certain set of skills that would make Lewinsky blush.

[HarlemHeat37]

Harden is going to win due to media hype, unfortunately..his team would still be a top 5 seed without him..they were winning by 40 without him the other night:lol

1. LeBron
2. Aldridge
3. Davis
4. Westbrook
5. Harden

His team is perfectly built around him and they're stacked everywhere..

- Top 3 PG in NBA history at the end of his prime, hungry for a title
- Top 5 coach in the league, the man who influenced the Warriors, the best team of all-time..Kobe, Nash and many others had their best offensive seasons playing for this coach
- Best 6th man in the NBA + nice bench
- Several all-NBA caliber defenders(Tucker, Mbah a Moute, Ariza)
- Shooters everywhere
- Top 7-10 C
- Added Joe Johnson, former All-Star for free

[HarlemHeat37]

The pussification of the league started with DK begging Stern for rules changes to help him win and concluded with Kobe being gifted MVPau as a reward for quitting on his team.

We are all witnesses to LeGOAT carrying D-League teams to Finals appearances and rings his whole career.

:lol did you forget about Pedolajuwon, Drexler and Barkley trying to form a super team? I don't know why Rockets fans would have the audacity to mention super teams..

[djohn2oo8]

:lol did you forget about Pedolajuwon, Drexler and Barkley trying to form a super team? I don't know why Rockets fans would have the audacity to mention super teams..

Your trolling is god awful these days. Your punishment should be kissing roseanne's ass for that shit take. An old skeleton Rockets team :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Your trolling is god awful these days. Your punishment should be kissing roseanne's ass for that shit take. An old skeleton Rockets team :lol

I hate this argument, it's so weak, tbh:lol I've seen it on Twitter and other forums..it completely ignores context..

Charles Barkley was 33 years old, Olajuwon was 34 and so was Drexler..who defeated Houston and won the West in 1997 and 1998? The Utah Jazz led by 33-year old Karl Malone and 34-year old John Stockton:lol

Who won the NBA title in those 2 seasons? The Chicago Bulls with 34 year old Jordan, 32-year old Pippen and 36-year old Rodman..

Let's not rewrite history..age is irrelevant when your primary competitors are the same age..it's not like they were going against a team full of stars in their prime..

[djohn2oo8]

I hate this argument, it's so weak, tbh:lol I've seen it on Twitter and other forums..

Charles Barkley was 33 years old, Olajuwon was 34 and so was Drexler..who defeated Houston and won the West in 1997 and 1998? The Utah Jazz led by 33-year old Karl Malone and 34-year old John Stockton:lol

Let's not rewrite history..

Yeah. The same as 26 year old LeBron, a 26 year old Bosh, and a 29 year old Wade. The exact same. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Yeah. The same as 26 year old LeBron, a 26 year old Bosh, and a 29 year old Wade. The exact same. :lol

That's irrelevant..they still tried to form a super team in their own era..why is their age relevant when their primary competition(Utah and Chicago) had stars in the same age range?

[djohn2oo8]

That's irrelevant..they still tried to form a super team in their own era..why is their age relevant when their primary competition(Utah and Chicago) had stars in the same age range?

Lol so now it's "tried to form" . Nevermind the very next season they were all hurt for extended periods of time. Very different from 3 guys in their 20's and their prime. Stay coonin my nig.

[HarlemHeat37]

Lol so now it's "tried to form" . Nevermind the very next season they were all hurt for extended periods of time. Very different from 3 guys in their 20's and their prime. Stay coonin my nig.

Bro..you realize that Barkley, Drexler and Pedo were all fucking All-Stars that season?:lmao

How is that not a super team? How?! They were all All-Stars..what else can you ask for? No other team in the NBA had 3 All-Stars IIRC..crazy revisionist history here..

[djohn2oo8]

Bro..you realize that Barkley, Drexler and Pedo were all fucking All-Stars that season?:lmao

How is that not a super team? How?! They were all All-Stars..what else can you ask for? No other team in the NBA had that many All-Stars IIRC..

3 guys on the downside of their careers. in their mid 30's. Surely they had the speed, strength and agility of 20 year olds. Playing like they were back in their prime. I'mma start calling you Coonheat. Ain't nothing Harlem about you my nig.

[HarlemHeat37]

3 guys on the downside of their careers. in their mid 30's. Surely they had the speed, strength and agility of 20 year olds. Playing like they were back in their prime. I'mma start calling you Coonheat. Ain't nothing Harlem about you my nig.

They all made the All-Star team and their competition was other guys in the same age range:lmao in what universe is 3 All-Stars not a super team? keep ignoring all the facts, though, your arguments don't even make any sense, as usual..

And what the fuck are you going on about in the last part of your post?:lol

[djohn2oo8]

They all made the All-Star team and their competition was other guys in the same age range:lmao in what universe is 3 All-Stars not a super team? keep ignoring all the facts, though, your arguments don't even make any sense, as usual..

And what the fuck are you going on about in the last part of your post?:lol
What does making the all star team have to do with being past their prime? They were broken down the very next year. :lol

Not even the same as the best player in the league joining two other guys in their primes.

[Clipper Nation]

979909754095943680

979882286169571328

We all need to just appreciate that we're watching the GOAT play right now, tbh.

[AlexJones]

- Added Joe Johnson, former All-Star for free
Nigga did you just imply that this was a good move

[Double-Up]

:lol did you forget about Pedolajuwon, Drexler and Barkley trying to form a super team? I don't know why Rockets fans would have the audacity to mention super teams..

Those old fucks getting together wasn't a super team, it was a colossal failure but it was better than the outright tankjob you guys did to get Duncan. :lol

[Double-Up]

Bro..you realize that Barkley, Drexler and Pedo were all fucking All-Stars that season?:lmao

How is that not a super team? How?! They were all All-Stars..what else can you ask for? No other team in the NBA had 3 All-Stars IIRC..crazy revisionist history here..

One last thing, any team that's leading player fucks his BFF while his bitch fucks anyone she wants can't talk shit about no one...and lol Canada. :lol

[ambchang]

Those old fucks getting together wasn't a super team, it was a colossal failure but it was better than the outright tankjob you guys did to get Duncan. :lol

So zero > five now? Okay.


One last thing, any team that's leading player fucks his BFF while his bitch fucks anyone she wants can't talk shit about no one...and lol Canada. :lol

Except a franchise with its two best players ever being pedophiles.

[djohn2oo8]

So zero > five now? Okay.



Except a franchise with its two best players ever being pedophiles.

Well we know he molested Robinson repeatedly.

[ambchang]

Well we know he molested Robinson repeatedly.

Except Robinson had the better head to head record and stats. :lol tv narrative parrot with no insights.

And surprised that you don’t seem to understand the word pedophile given you are a rockets fan. You guys worship them.

[djohn2oo8]

Except Robinson had the better head to head record and stats. :lol tv narrative parrot with no insights.

And surprised that you don’t seem to understand the word pedophile given you are a rockets fan. You guys worship them.
And Robinson got his anus ripped right out his body in the playoff head to head. Alot alot good those regular season matchups did him then.

[Gummi Clutch]

And Robinson got his anus ripped right out his body in the playoff head to head. Alot alot good those regular season matchups did him then.
these guys are idiots, as a diehard spurfan their buthurt is showing. ambchang is quite literally one of the stupidest people on this forum btw, you're going down an endless spiral of meaningless arguing because his tiny asian penis can never get satisfied

[lefty]

Exactly

The only reason Hakeem got the better of Robinson is because we couldn't afford to double team Hakeem.

He was surrounded by shooters, and clutch ones (Elie, Horry, Cassell).

On the other end, Houston could afford to gang up on Robinson.

That being said I still consider Hakeem to be the GOAT center imo

[ambchang]

And Robinson got his anus ripped right out his body in the playoff head to head. Alot alot good those regular season matchups did him then.

I didn't realize NBA play one on one.

Hey keep the hits coming, fan of pedophiles. I guess when someone help your team win, it's OK for them to marry 16 year olds and molester their own daughters.

[ambchang]

these guys are idiots, as a diehard spurfan their buthurt is showing. ambchang is quite literally one of the stupidest people on this forum btw, you're going down an endless spiral of meaningless arguing because his tiny asian penis can never get satisfied

Why would you like to argue with stupid people about penis size? Your post drips with intelligence.

[ambchang]

Exactly

The only reason Hakeem got the better of Robinson is because we couldn't afford to double team Hakeem.

He was surrounded by shooters, and clutch ones (Elie, Horry, Cassell).

On the other end, Houston could afford to gang up on Robinson.

That being said I still consider Hakeem to be the GOAT center imo

Agree with everything here, too bad djohn2oo8 can't figure out that no matter how good a player is, it wouldn't excuse them for being a pedophile. These are just two separate issues. Like Karl Malone being a pedophile is separate from him being the 7th best PF of all time behind Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, McHale, Barkley, and Pettit.

[djohn2oo8]

I didn't realize NBA play one on one.

Hey keep the hits coming, fan of pedophiles. I guess when someone help your team win, it's OK for them to marry 16 year olds and molester their own daughters.

And the Spurs had one player accused of being involved in a child sex ring and another player accused of rape. Shame it only matters to you because Hakeem bent David over. You're a fake.

[daslicer]

Those old fucks getting together wasn't a super team, it was a colossal failure but it was better than the outright tankjob you guys did to get Duncan. :lol

Rockets tank job in '84 for Hakeem was blatantly obvious hence the league coming up with the lottery system a year later.

[ambchang]

And the Spurs had one player accused of being involved in a child sex ring and another player accused of rape. Shame it only matters to you because Hakeem bent David over. You're a fake.

Too bad for you it was proven both cases were made up.

Sort of sad that you would wish two person were actually raped so that you can win an argument.

I used to think you are just confused and not very bright. Now you just seem like a scumbag.

[Bill_Brasky]

Rockets without Harden >>>>> Cavs without LeBron


Too bad they'll still give it to Harden.

And WB is gonna avg a triple double again, after last year I thought that just automatically means you're a shoo-in, that it's such a rare feat, etc etc. I haven't heard it mentioned once on the national level this year :lol

[Gummi Clutch]

Harden is going to win due to media hype, unfortunately..his team would still be a top 5 seed without him..they were winning by 40 without him the other night:lol

1. LeBron
2. Aldridge
3. Davis
4. Westbrook
5. Harden

His team is perfectly built around him and they're stacked everywhere..

- Top 3 PG in NBA history at the end of his prime, hungry for a title
- Top 5 coach in the league, the man who influenced the Warriors, the best team of all-time..Kobe, Nash and many others had their best offensive seasons playing for this coach
- Best 6th man in the NBA + nice bench
- Several all-NBA caliber defenders(Tucker, Mbah a Moute, Ariza)
- Shooters everywhere
- Top 7-10 C
- Added Joe Johnson, former All-Star for free
Do you actually watch games? I saw that particular one the other day and they played a pretty shitty team missing key players. JJ is absolutely terrible, green seems like the better player.

[Clipper Nation]

Rockets without Harden >>>>> Cavs without LeBron


Too bad they'll still give it to Harden.

And WB is gonna avg a triple double again, after last year I thought that just automatically means you're a shoo-in, that it's such a rare feat, etc etc. I haven't heard it mentioned once on the national level this year :lol

It's all because Frauden's fanboys threw such a hissyfit over last year that Media decided to give him a makeup MVP this year, no matter how many other players are more deserving than he is. It's a joke and a disgrace to the sport to reward his flopping.

[Gummi Clutch]

Rockets without Harden >>>>> Cavs without LeBron


Too bad they'll still give it to Harden.

And WB is gonna avg a triple double again, after last year I thought that just automatically means you're a shoo-in, that it's such a rare feat, etc etc. I haven't heard it mentioned once on the national level this year :lol
I don't think the rockets made the playoffs before JH, its not complicated that with him there they've won way more. Also that argument means Kawhi was never close to a legit MVP candidate for us. Out of all the teams he had, his were the most able without him. Its just a lazy intellectual argument to make. Additionally, where does it end? The 8 seed would be last had it not been for "x" player? You can't reward losing, which Lebron has been doing a lot of this year. Plus he actually has an all star on his team in Kevin Love, the highest payroll in the league--he's responsible for---so its also completely misleading to put that spin on it.

[Clipper Nation]

You can't reward losing
:lol And yet you want to give the MVP to one of the biggest losers in NBA history (Frauden).


Plus he actually has an all star on his team in Kevin Love
Love has been literally the only non-garbage player on the Cavs' roster not named LeBron James this year - unless you want to count a handful of games from Larry Nance. Compare that to the depth of the Rockets... it's not even close.


the highest payroll in the league
Not true. The Warriors have the highest payroll in the league:

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/

Speaking of misleading spin, this idea that higher payroll = superior talent is easily disproven when you see treadmill teams like the Heat and the Wizards in the top 5.

[Gummi Clutch]

:lol And yet you want to give the MVP to one of the biggest losers in NBA history (Frauden).


Love has been literally the only non-garbage player on the Cavs' roster not named LeBron James this year - unless you want to count a handful of games from Larry Nance. Compare that to the depth of the Rockets... it's not even close.


Not true. The Warriors have the highest payroll in the league:

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/

Speaking of misleading spin, this idea that higher payroll = superior talent is easily disproven when you see treadmill teams like the Heat and the Wizards in the top 5.
What you mean by a couple of $ (80K to be exact :lmao)? If thats all you have to say about that its clear you know my point resonates.

Who do you think is responsible for that? Lebron got to build his loaded team and got his guys paid. If he's fucking people in the ass he can't complain about getting the HIV as well. You're into that stuff as well iirc right

[Clipper Nation]

:lol "Loaded team"

Kevin Love and Larry Nance are the only other non-garbage players, and Love missed time with a broken hand while Nance wasn't even on the team until the trade deadline. No other player on that roster would even be playable on a real contender if it wasn't for LeBron carrying them.

When Tristan Thompson got paid, he wasn't the scrub he is today. His defense and rebounding were actually valuable. He would not have been paid if he was always this scrubby. JR Smith got paid after helping deliver a championship. Because of the Cavs' cap situation, it was either pay him with Bird Rights or let him walk for nothing and still not be able to afford an NBA-caliber replacement. He had the leverage. Also, the Sixers drove up the price on him just like they did with Manu that same offseason.

[RsxPiimp]

harden’s going to have an epic choke in the playoffs. 07 dirk level bad.

2nd game into the postseason and this dude is already showing signs of slowing down:lol

2/18:lmao

meanwhile the real mvp doing what he does best

46 12 and 5

[HarlemHeat37]

LeBron's team loses by at least 40 points if he shoots 2/18, tbh:lol

[RsxPiimp]

no doubt ^:lol

[Killakobe81]

:lol "Loaded team"

Kevin Love and Larry Nance are the only other non-garbage players, and Love missed time with a broken hand while Nance wasn't even on the team until the trade deadline. No other player on that roster would even be playable on a real contender if it wasn't for LeBron carrying them.

When Tristan Thompson got paid, he wasn't the scrub he is today. His defense and rebounding were actually valuable. He would not have been paid if he was always this scrubby. JR Smith got paid after helping deliver a championship. Because of the Cavs' cap situation, it was either pay him with Bird Rights or let him walk for nothing and still not be able to afford an NBA-caliber replacement. He had the leverage. Also, the Sixers drove up the price on him just like they did with Manu that same offseason.

clarkson is ok at least he can score a bit but Love and Smith are only reliable playoff performers and Nance/Love the solid bigs. but nance is an athlete defender with little offense...love gives you rebounding and range but little defense.

[Killakobe81]

LeBron's team loses by at least 40 points if he shoots 2/18, tbh:lol

true.

[djohn2oo8]

LeBron's team loses by at least 40 points if he shoots 2/18, tbh:lol

Regular season award. At one point, LeBron's team was getting crushed with him.

[Pelicans78]

Lebron's was great enough to lead his team to 4th seed in the Leastern Conference.

[RsxPiimp]

cant believe this glorified corey brewer is going to bring this home