Game Thread: Spurs at Jazz -- Thurs. (12/21) - 7:30/P, 9:30/C (5:30am Riga Time)

[bklynspursfan]

This team is such shit... please tank already...

22-10 teams generally don't tank... But there are plenty of tanking teams that you could root for

[SAGirl]

yea that was a bad foul by Rudy... ?

[ElNono]

Finally a PG that can score

[bdictjames]

I really like Anderson at the point....

[99 Problems]

GET IN HEREEEEEEEEE

[Robz4000]

Great finish to the quarter outside that retarded foul by Gay.

[DAF86]

Gay sure likes to commit stupid fouls.

[daslicer]

Kyled Anderson with the Dr J layup. He recreated it literally slow motion.

[hater]

MVPKyle is back
Mthanks god

[99 Problems]

If you don’t mind umpire. 3333333333333333

[bklynspursfan]

Of course he hits that haha. Won that quarter by 10, and we'll likely get Kawhi for about ~5 mins. If Patty stays hot and LMA shows up, we should be able to steal this one

[SAGirl]

22-10 teams generally don't tank... But there are plenty of tanking teams that you could root for
I mean to see young guys develop ... one has to see them struggle some.

If this team ever, really ever needs to really rebuild and develop the old fashioned way, I don't think there are guys who have a heart to watch what that is like.

If they don't like this team they are free to follow Jsimms and the Magic tanking ship tbh.

[duncan2k5]

KYLE! redeeming himself!

[SpurPadre]

We got this, everybody...

[TheGreatYacht]

Gay sure likes to commit stupid fouls.
Surprising considering he doesn't give effort on that end at all

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Not feeling Joffrey, but Mills and Kyle were fantastic

[sasaint]

22-10 teams generally don't tank... But there are plenty of tanking teams that you could root for

:tu :lol

[hater]

I really like Anderson at the point....

MVPKyle is our only hope to have a chance in hell

[ElNono]

Damn, I thought he hurt himself on that layup. Bummer.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Of course he hits that haha. Won that quarter by 10, and we'll likely get Kawhi for about ~5 mins. If Patty stays hot and LMA shows up, we should be able to steal this one

I think Kawhi is done for the night but it would be awesome if he does come back in the fourth.

[hater]

Of course he hits that haha. Won that quarter by 10, and we'll likely get Kawhi for about ~5 mins. If Patty stays hot and LMA shows up, we should be able to steal this one
Kawhi is done for d night

[emanueldavidginobili]

Joffrey has been terrible, yeah he has converted on most of his bunnies but he can’t rebound or catch the ball tonight. Need more Bertans

[SAGirl]

He got an even higher percentage shot at the rim, just blew it. He aint the first Spur to miss a bunny tonight lol It's in the air
that is true, but he was open for the 3, and he can shoot... he should have taken the 3. Maybe if it the time on shot clock was 2 he would have taken it and likely make it... :lol

[duncan2k5]

I mean to see young guys develop ... one has to see them struggle some.

If this team ever, really ever needs to really rebuild and develop the old fashioned way, I don't think there are guys who have a heart to watch what that is like.

If they don't like this team they are free to follow Jsimms and the Magic tanking ship tbh.

agree with you...the young guys need to play and develop...we wont win sh*t riding the old heads

[SAGirl]

Joffrey has been terrible, yeah he has converted on most of his bunnies but he can’t rebound or catch the ball tonight. Need more Bertans
:tu
I'd like to see more Bertans too.

[SAGirl]

Kawhi is done for d night
really? 20 minutes? he's done?

[hater]

MVPKyle! mVPKyle!

[sasaint]

I mean to see young guys develop ... one has to see them struggle some.

If this team ever, really ever needs to really rebuild and develop the old fashioned way, I don't think there are guys who have a heart to watch what that is like.

If they don't like this team they are free to follow Jsimms and the Magic tanking ship tbh.

I will watch any team that plays with passion, smarts and on which individual players show improvement.

[bklynspursfan]

Gay has been really impressive on defense tonight, aside from his foul on Rubio which was well intentioned, just a bit over ambitious

[bklynspursfan]

Kawhi is done for d night

If he was done, he would probably be in the locker room like he has been lately. So idk about that bruh

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Gay’s shot selection sucks

[duncan2k5]

keep saying as much points as forbes scores, he allows

[Robz4000]

This lineup is fucking awful. Might've just cost them the game.

[DAF86]

Bring back the Patty led unit.

[sasaint]

:tu
I'd like to see more Bertans too.

Especially tonight. I don't get it, tbh.

[SpurPadre]

couple of fat bricks by Rudy there, smh

[hater]

Jazz toying with their food tbqh

[Amuseddaysleeper]

keep saying as much points as forbes scores, he allows

Gary Neal 2.0

[TheGreatYacht]

PATFO's biggest signing was a cancer that makes his teams worse and is coming off an Achilles injury :lol

[dabom]

Bring back the Patty led unit.

[ElNono]

Of course Porker comes in and they go on a run... smdh.. get Fatty back in there

[DAF86]

This lineup is fucking awful. Might've just cost them the game.

It was the same lineup that ended the 3rd with Tony and Forbes instead of Murray and Mills. Just saying. :wakeup

[dabom]

PATFO's biggest signing was a cancer that makes his teams worse and is coming off an Achilles injury :lol

He's been a top 3 player for the Spurs.

[Budkin]

Can we stop with the FUCKING TURNOVERS??

[bklynspursfan]

I mean to see young guys develop ... one has to see them struggle some.

If this team ever, really ever needs to really rebuild and develop the old fashioned way, I don't think there are guys who have a heart to watch what that is like.

If they don't like this team they are free to follow Jsimms and the Magic tanking ship tbh.

Yea, only way I see a full blown rebuild is if Kawhi really can't play anymore or has to sit a season out + LMA getting hurt or something.

But yea, for sure. They can go watch a tanking team or become a bandwagon Warriors fan

[Robz4000]

If the Spurs continue to defend the three this poorly they have no chance in a series against GS/Houston.

[ElNono]

And really Poop? 5 more mins of Kawhi or LMA when we’ve momentum is really gonna hurt them?

[sasaint]

Can we stop with the FUCKING TURNOVERS??

Apparently not. Pop says we have the disease.

[SAGirl]

Davis!

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Bertans!!

[sasaint]

Davis the Menace right on cue!

[bklynspursfan]

I think Kawhi is done for the night but it would be awesome if he does come back in the fourth.

I just figured if he was done he'd be in the back, but I guess we'll see. He's still on the bench

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Any update on Mills?

[dabom]

Any update on Mills?

Resting to close out the game.

[TheGreatYacht]

Best guard in franchise history. What a finish!

[SpurPadre]

That was vintage, teammate wife-fucking drive by TP there!

[Robz4000]

MVParker?

[sasaint]

Tony forcing the tough shot but getting the reward.

[SAGirl]

HOTS has been amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[TheGreatYacht]

HEAD OF THE FUCKING SNAKE CARRYING SCRUBS

[Leetonidas]

HoTS :wow

[hater]

Head of da snake

MVParker

Thanks god for him

[ElNono]

Fucking Forbes is going to put us in the penalty

[duncan2k5]

TONY!

[SAGirl]

HOTS AGAIN
tony shitting on haters.

[bklynspursfan]

HoTS :wow
:wow

[SpurPadre]

Ok, TP, it isn't 2012 anymore, relax.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Parker omg

[sasaint]

LmehA!

[ElNono]

Udoh :wow

[hater]

MVParker shitting on niggas :lmao

[$pursDynasty]

HOTS

[dabom]

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

GOAT guard in franchise history

[bklynspursfan]

TP man... We just need a stop here and a score to get over that hump. Hopefully Patty is still feeling it

[ducks]

Head of da snake

MVParker

Thanks god for him

[duncan2k5]

tony having a flashback

[hater]

Parker going Maradroga on mormon nation

[Bill_Brasky]

I'd let parker fuck my wife.

[Robz4000]

C'Mon Pop, 5 more minutes of Kawhi could be the difference between a quality win or a frustrating loss.

[TheGreatYacht]

MVParker shitting on niggas :lmao
Hondureños getting sent back to Tijuana

[ElNono]

We goin down with heroball...

[hater]

We played poorly for the most part but this has ben a really great game

Like 2 punchers going at it

[ElNono]

C'Mon Pop, 5 more minutes of Kawhi could be the difference between a quality win or a frustrating loss.

:pop: He can’t wipe his own ass

[bklynspursfan]

I'd let parker fuck my wife.


:lol

[Splits]

Tony fucking Parker

[TheGreatYacht]

Forum Mexicans salty as hell. Damn :wow

[DAF86]

We played poorly for the most part but this has ben a really great game

Like 2 punchers going at it

More like two feather fisted scrubs just mindlessly brawling, tbh. :lol

[sasaint]

Toodles Parkoodles! More, please!

[dabom]

We goin down with heroball...

:lol

[DAF86]

The fuck is Aldridge doing? :lol

[bklynspursfan]

Dam LMA. Be smarter

[SpurPadre]

LMA's head has not been in this game.

[Robz4000]

Refs really digging in trying to keep the lead.

[hater]

Either MVParker will carry us or we die on the side of the road

[ElNono]

The fuck is Aldridge doing? :lol

He’s jealous his minutes aren’t limited, tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

What does Randall Paul even do?!?!?!?!

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Why is Brandon Paul playing in the fourth quarter? Mills has to be injured

[SpurPadre]

Paul belongs in the G league, tbh.

[sasaint]

I think BP3 would have gone to the line there if his jersey had been white.

[ducks]

Paul belongs in the G league, tbh.

[SAGirl]

with Lamarcus in foul trouble this is getting away.

[dabom]

Why is Brandon Paul playing in the fourth quarter? Mills has to be injured

Mills has been in.

[TheGreatYacht]

Delonte getting ready to check in for HOTS

Game over. White flags out

[DAF86]

No time to be resting LA, just go all in and if he fouls out he fouls out.

[SAGirl]

I think BP3 would have gone to the line there if his jersey had been white.
yea... that is where having Ginobili makes a difference it has to be said.

[dabom]

BP3 missed a pass to MVP.

[SpurPadre]

He’s jealous his minutes aren’t limited, tbh

"Ma Limited Minutes!"

[sasaint]

Either MVParker will carry us or we die on the side of the road

Tonight that is true.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Pop may have coached his worst game of the season, brutal lineups

[SAGirl]

dang it Joff!

[SpurPadre]

Fuck you Joffrey, you Lannister piece of shit.

[KDKSpurs24]

Oh fuck nah get him out of the damn game!! No trust for him

[SAGirl]

dang it Joff again... wtf

[Robz4000]

Pop is an absolute fucking bastard. Fucking retire you old fuck.

[duncan2k5]

Hood going off, and Pop has in the midget shit defenders

[Amuseddaysleeper]

That’s ball game

[bklynspursfan]

I blame Aldridge for being in foul trouble lol... smh

[BackHome]

Really missing Manu.

[bdictjames]

Why are we running our offense through Lauvergne? Lol

[resistanze]

Should've kept LMA in the game rather than this scrub

[bklynspursfan]

Pop is an absolute fucking bastard. Fucking retire you old fuck.

:wakeup

[TheGreatYacht]

White flags out. Lamarsha the finesser in

[NASpurs]

Laverne and Shirley, fucking die :lmao

[ElNono]

Only Fatty can save us tbh

[sasaint]

Joff could have been a real hero instead of a bleater.

Foul on 50Mills?!?!?! Sheesh.

[DAF86]

Parker in with a one-point game, leaves at a 10-points game.

[SpurPadre]

I miss Dedmon, tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

Parker in with a one-point game, leaves at a 10-points game.
Happens when you share the court with BumP3, your boy.

[palangi]

We are such a badly constructed team

[KDKSpurs24]

Why do we have Patty Mills guarding this man?

[mexicanjunior]

This game is over...fuck this team.

[bklynspursfan]

I think Joff has outplayed LMA tonight lol

[DAF86]

Turnaround fadeaway from 22 feet. That's a winning strategy if I ever saw one.

[SpurPadre]

Rodney Hood Jordan, tbh.

[duncan2k5]

why are we going to LA in crunch time?

[hater]

Either MVParker will carry us or we die on the side of the road

Called tis before Poop yanked Parker out

[Robz4000]

What a frustrating loss.

[BatManu20]

Patty Mills continues to be a massive liability defensively.

[NASpurs]

Scheduled loss, TNT game, B2B etc etc etc

[Darius Bieber]

God this team is trash.
Real contenders like OKC blow out the Jazz by 30. Spurs lose to them. God this team is shit. Lmao at a losing road record.

[hater]

Either MVParker will carry us or we die on the side of the road

Called tis before Poop yanked Parker out

[TheGreatYacht]

Softridge played tonight?

[OrEmuN]

Why the feck is Mill guarding Hood?

[DAF86]

Happens when you share the court with BumP3, your boy.

He was sharing it with the same folks with which Patty made up a double digit deficit, tbh.

[ElNono]

Welp learned nothing new tonight, tbh... this team goes as far as Manu takes them.

[DAF86]

Go home LA, you're drunk.

[BatManu20]

Rodney Hood Jordan, tbh.

He's 6'7 and has 5'11 Patty mills on him tbh...

[SAGirl]

Parker in with a one-point game, leaves at a 10-points game.
He set up Joff for a lot of shots right at the basket though... might have had to hero ball some more instead. Can't blame that on him.

[duncan2k5]

Pop lost this game with his shit subs...6'8 Hood scoring over our 6'0 poor defensive guards...wtf

[bklynspursfan]

God this team is trash.
Real contenders like OKC blow out the Jazz by 30. Spurs lose to them. God this team is shit. Lmao at a losing road record.

But we beat OKC (?)

[cjw]

This is meaningless. In a real game, Kawhi or Green get put in to shut down Hood. Offense isn’t stagnant without Parker or Manu. Joff is awful compared to Pau. Pop is literally experimenting. Frustrating to watch, but need to get reps in ... back to back at altitude (yes I know Utah played too).

Awful game by LMA but excusable if it’s not a trend.

[ElNono]

Manu not playing? Ughhh... just write down the L

Page 3, tbh

[Nathan89]

That's why you don't overpay 6ft sgs tbh

[sasaint]

Called tis before Poop yanked Parker out

Needed Tony and Dijon together down the stretch.

[Darius Bieber]

But we beat OKC (?)

Lucky/fluke game.

[Budkin]

Rodney Jordan tbh

[emanueldavidginobili]

Sick of these lineups. Patty Mills and Bryn Forbes playing the 1 and 2 in a NBA game is a complete joke

[Trainwreck2100]

and here come the garbage fouls that have no effect on the outcome

[duncan2k5]

finally put some size on hood and we get a stop...but of course it's too late

[ducks]

Unreal bad coaching pop

[daslicer]

This is meaningless. In a real game, Kawhi or Green get put in to shut down Hood. Offense isn’t stagnant without Parker or Manu. Joff is awful compared to Pau. Pop is literally experimenting. Frustrating to watch, but need to get reps in ... back to back at altitude (yes I know Utah played too).

Awful game by LMA but excusable if it’s not a trend.

This was a scheduled loss that's the way I look at it. Like you said Pop decided to play mad scientist in this game and experiment. We lost due to Pop allowing Rodney Hood to go on God mode.

[TheGreatYacht]

He was sharing it with the same folks with which Patty made up a double digit deficit, tbh.
Mills -20
Parker -5

Like I said. Happens when you share the court with bums like your boy, BumP3, that you fluffed so hard :lol

[cjw]

God this team is trash.
Real contenders like OKC blow out the Jazz by 30. Spurs lose to them. God this team is shit. Lmao at a losing road record.

weren't the Thunder playing at home with their full roster? Exactly.

The Rockets just lost to the Lakers. At home. GS just got taken to OT by the Lakers, albeit without Curry. Utah beat Boston.

Yes, Mitchell and Gobert are out which makes it embarrassing

[Leetonidas]

So tired of Pop and his trash rotations

[ElNono]

Phathead clutchness lmao

[mexicanjunior]

God this team is trash.
Real contenders like OKC blow out the Jazz by 30. Spurs lose to them. God this team is shit. Lmao at a losing road record.

Yep...

[dabom]

We lost when Enrique was feeding DL. :lol

[DAF86]

So after Murray helped the Spurs get back into the game he only comes back on garbage time. Top notch coaching, tbh.

[TE]

Big picture.


Dumb loss, lineup shuffling, hard to get a beat and rhythm.


Officiating made it even more annoying. Something about that Mormon air that creates a chemical imbalance in the brains of the officials.


We'll get these guys again at home and violate them so roughly they're gonna need a rape kit group.

[Chris]

Unreal bad coaching pop

[Chinook]

Spurs looking at 1-3 with Kawhi and 21-8 without him. I'm sure that's going to flip eventually...

[Capt Bringdown]

First FG in over 4 minutes

[daslicer]

Spurs looking at 1-3 with Kawhi and 21-8 without him. I'm sure that's going to flip eventually...

I think it will flip once Kawhi is playing 30 plus minutes a game again.

[mexicanjunior]

I think it will flip once Kawhi is playing 30 plus minutes a game again.

If...

[bklynspursfan]

So after Murray helped the Spurs get back into the game he only comes back on garbage time. Top notch coaching, tbh.

Did Murray help tonight? Seemed like Patty to end the 3rd and TP this quarter

[sasaint]

He set up Joff for a lot of shots right at the basket though... might have had to hero ball some more instead. Can't blame that on him.

Yep. Joff robbed Tony of 2, maybe 3, assists.

[dabom]

Spurs looking at 1-3 with Kawhi and 21-8 without him. I'm sure that's going to flip eventually...

Green sucks the whole season dude. :lmao

[duncan2k5]

this one is on pop

[TheGreatYacht]

Did Murray help tonight? Seemed like Patty to end the 3rd and TP this quarter
FAP is one of the worst talent evaluators I've ever seen. Let him be

[bklynspursfan]

this one is on pop

Its more on Aldridge

[TE]

I understand the restriction with Parker. My question on the minutes restriction is at what point is it necessary for Kawhi. Kawhi looked physically fine while in the act. Medically speaking if this is purely a coaching decision it's asinine.

[DAF86]

Mills -20
Parker -5

Like I said. Happens when you share the court with bums like your boy, BumP3, that you fluffed so hard :lol

Brandon Paul is +4. :lol

[Crazymaddopeyo]

LoL at “this one is on Pop” when everyone can’t hit a fucking shot.

[sasaint]

Did Murray help tonight? Seemed like Patty to end the 3rd and TP this quarter

I barely noticed Dijon was on the floor - not to say he couldn't have been a better defender on Hood, if Pop had given him a shot instead of 50Mills.

[DAF86]

Did Murray help tonight? Seemed like Patty to end the 3rd and TP this quarter

There's two sides of the floor, tbh.

[Stabula]

Pop doesn't give a flying fuck about basketball anymore. Wow.

[hater]

Good game

Bad coaching

Worse officiating

Awful Lamarsha but also had bad calls

Parkr trid to carry us but Pop yqnke him

Good nite

[Chinook]

Refs found the only way to take away the points.

[bklynspursfan]

I understand the restriction with Parker. My question on the minutes restriction is at what point is it necessary for Kawhi. Kawhi looked physically fine while in the act. Medically speaking if this is purely a coaching decision it's asinine.

Its just a process. Tonight was a season high in minutes for him. This is his pre season. He'll probably a couple more mins than tonight soon

[bklynspursfan]

There's two sides of the floor, tbh.

I know, but just curious on what he did to help the comeback. Some nights his impact is felt, tonight didn't feel like it as much

[sasaint]

Its more on Aldridge

Started shrinking a few games back. It continued tonight.

[duncan2k5]

So after Murray helped the Spurs get back into the game he only comes back on garbage time. Top notch coaching, tbh.

tbh...

[DAF86]

Murray with 8 boards, great D and one of the best +/- of the team but folks "didn't notice his presence". :lol

[bklynspursfan]

Started shrinking a few games back. It continued tonight.

Frustrating. Its like he didn't want to be out there

[duncan2k5]

I know, but just curious on what he did to help the comeback. Some nights his impact is felt, tonight didn't feel like it as much

defense and pacing...he definitely had impact

[DAF86]

I know, but just curious on what he did to help the comeback. Some nights his impact is felt, tonight didn't feel like it as much

Mmh, almost nothing. He was just the point guard of the lineup that got us back into the game. When you switch everything on D it's nice to have guards with a 7 foot wingspan, tbh.

[Chinook]

I understand the restriction with Parker. My question on the minutes restriction is at what point is it necessary for Kawhi. Kawhi looked physically fine while in the act. Medically speaking if this is purely a coaching decision it's asinine.

Green looked fine last night ... until he overexerted himself and reaggravated his injury. Even more than the fact that Kawhi had a stress injury, what people are forgetting is that he healed so slowly from this quad thing that it baffled the team's med staff. You don't fuck around with that. If he gets injured again, it could take past the ASB to get him back.

[mexicanjunior]

Frustrating. Its like he didn't want to be out there

Why would he? His roster is shit and Pop has half the team on rest/minutes restrictions.

[BillMc]

Well Hell...

[duncan2k5]

Murray with 8 boards, great D and one of the best +/- of the team but folks "didn't notice his presence". :lol

let them be...they only care when things show up in the box score...

[Chinook]

Pop had a 6-5 guy who was an All-Defensive guy in college sitting on his bench, but it made sense to use Patty and Forbes to check Hood and Ingles.

[TE]

Its just a process. Tonight was a season high in minutes for him. This is his pre season. He'll probably a couple more mins than tonight soon
I understand the process of bringing him up to speed physically. I personally don't agree with it IF it's not a medically suggested one.

[bklynspursfan]

Murray with 8 boards, great D and one of the best +/- of the team but folks "didn't notice his presence". :lol

Pretty sure 3-4 of those boards came in the last couple mins fwiw

I know he is capable of defending but I didn't see this Great D you're speaking of.

[bklynspursfan]

I understand the process of bringing him up to speed physically. I personally don't agree with it IF it's not a medically suggested one.

Probably isn't, but also Kawhi probably isn't ready for big minutes. Tonight he finally didn't seem too winded, so he's getting there. No need to rush for December games

[DAF86]

Pretty sure 3-4 of those boards came in the last couple mins fwiw

I know he is capable of defending but I didn't see this Great D you're speaking of.

Well you know how Hood kept making shot after shot over Tony, Patty and Forbes? Do you remember him making one of those over Murray? Well, there you go.

[bklynspursfan]

defense and pacing...he definitely had impact


Mmh, almost nothing. He was just the point guard of the lineup that got us back into the game. When you switch everything on D it's nice to have guards with a 7 foot wingspan, tbh.

Maybe I missed it, its possible. But I mean they got within 1 with him on the bench thanks to TP. So who knows if it's enough with him in there anyway. I still think it's on Aldridge more than anyone , but whatever. This is who he is at times

[duncan2k5]

Pretty sure 3-4 of those boards came in the last couple mins fwiw

I know he is capable of defending but I didn't see this Great D you're speaking of.

what exactly were you looking for? steals? the guy cut off a lot of drives, fought over screens, thus preventing the switch and mismatch, caused his man to give up the ball...good defense isnt always a block, steal, or making someone miss a shot...sometimes it is preventing a shot in the first place...him fighting over screens and causing the PG to pass it off is good defense...

then about pacing...we played with good pace when he was in...

and no...he didnt grab 3-4 boards in the last 3 minutes of the game...sigh...most of them came during significant times...one of the importances of your PG grabbing the board is pace control

[sasaint]

Frustrating. Its like he didn't want to be out there

No matter who the opponent is, it is absolutely imperative to give Touches the ball early and often or else this is the kind of performance we will more than likely get. Not saying I like it, but that's just the state of affairs with the Spurs. It seems like he is intimidated by Kawhi's shadow. Even though he has returned to the court, Kawhi is playing low minutes, but LMA just isn't the same player he was. Beginning a couple of games before Kawhi's actual return, LMAlpha was already becoming LMBeta.

[SAGirl]

I understand the restriction with Parker. My question on the minutes restriction is at what point is it necessary for Kawhi. Kawhi looked physically fine while in the act. Medically speaking if this is purely a coaching decision it's asinine.

Tony played 26 minutes,
Kawhi only 20.

Kyle was injured and after Pop proclaiming he would only play 15 minutes last game, he played 24 and now 21 on a B2B.

So I think the point is, that Kawhi has to be holding himself out to a degree. He's the one who says how he's feeling. Tony rehabbed like a madman and came back before the doctors even thought he should have been playing. The original prognosis was until January or February he would be out.

So, I think we don't know everything there is to know about the Kawhi injury and it might have been something worse than we know, or like Chinook said, an overuse or stress injury that could recur and they are being super careful about it.

But my point was that the other injured guys came back and played sooner than we thought and a minutes load as far as they could handle and not the super careful shtick. Also, Manu is one who has told Pop when he wants to play even when Pop wants to sit him. If Manu feels like he can play, he's playing and he's said so publicly. So Kawhi has to be holding himself back some, IMO.

[duncan2k5]

Maybe I missed it, its possible. But I mean they got within 1 with him on the bench thanks to TP. So who knows if it's enough with him in there anyway. I still think it's on Aldridge more than anyone , but whatever. This is who he is at times

so u dont think murray helped...but u say aldridge did??? wtf game were YOU watching?

[DAF86]

Maybe I missed it, its possible. But I mean they got within 1 with him on the bench thanks to TP. So who knows if it's enough with him in there anyway. I still think it's on Aldridge more than anyone , but whatever. This is who he is at times

Mmh, no son. They got withing 1 point with Murray on the floor to close the 3rd, then Tony came in for him to make it -8, then he had a nice run to make it back to -1 (so 0 net) and then left the game down 10 (-9 for that entire sequence).

[TE]

Green looked fine last night ... until he overexerted himself and reaggravated his injury. Even more than the fact that Kawhi had a stress injury, what people are forgetting is that he healed so slowly from this quad thing that it baffled the team's med staff. You don't fuck around with that. If he gets injured again, it could take past the ASB to get him back.
I wonder what treatment Kawhi received. IIRC it was chronic tendinitis (quad). It's a tricky pathology, blah blah you've probably read up on it. It's an overuse injury.

There's a chance we can see the amount of stress that tendon can take. And its coming soon.

[Chinook]

what exactly were you looking for? steals? the guy cut off a lot of drives, fought over screens, thus preventing the switch and mismatch, caused his man to give up the ball...good defense isnt always a block, steal, or making someone miss a shot...sometimes it is preventing a shot in the first place...him fighting over screens and causing the PG to pass it off is good defense...

then about pacing...we played with good pace when he was in...

and no...he didnt grab 3-4 boards in the last 3 minutes of the game...sigh...most of them came during significant times...one of the importances of your PG grabbing the board is pace control

Murray grabbed four of his boards after Pop waived the white flag. They weren't in the last minute, but they also weren't in the guts of the game. PGs grabbing boards is fine, but it's not all that helpful overall.

[sasaint]

Pop had a 6-5 guy who was an All-Defensive guy in college sitting on his bench, but it made sense to use Patty and Forbes to check Hood and Ingles.

Can fans sue a coach for malpractice?

[SAGirl]

Pop had a 6-5 guy who was an All-Defensive guy in college sitting on his bench, but it made sense to use Patty and Forbes to check Hood and Ingles.
Inexplicable. the team needed to score, and I think that is why he went with Forbes and Patty, but they also needed stops.

[TE]

Probably isn't, but also Kawhi probably isn't ready for big minutes. Tonight he finally didn't seem too winded, so he's getting there. No need to rush for December games
Meh I am all for big picture. Heard on the broadcast (unreliable) that Kawhi tried talking himself back into the game, or was it TP?

Physically he looked fine, I wonder what five more minutes would have done. We'll see going forward

[sasaint]

so u dont think murray helped...but u say aldridge did??? wtf game were YOU watching?

I think you misread the comment. I think he was suggesting the loss was on LMA and his incredibly shrinking performance.

[bklynspursfan]

Well you know how Hood kept making shot after shot over Tony, Patty and Forbes? Do you remember him making one of those over Murray? Well, there you go.

In the 3rd, murray came in at the 6:26 mark, hood left at the 4:02 mark. (Not a ton of time)

Hood took 1 floater and missed, and drew a shooting foul on Murray. I'm just questioning whether he was the Hood stopper you're making him out to be. We literally didn't make any dent until Patty hit those 3 3's

[DPG21920]

Did anyone notice how Kyle seemed to miss that FT on purpose so Murray could try and get a board?

[TE]

Tony played 26 minutes,
Kawhi only 20.

Kyle was injured and after Pop proclaiming he would only play 15 minutes last game, he played 24 and now 21 on a B2B.

So I think the point is, that Kawhi has to be holding himself out to a degree. He's the one who says how he's feeling. Tony rehabbed like a madman and came back before the doctors even thought he should have been playing. The original prognosis was until January or February he would be out.

So, I think we don't know everything there is to know about the Kawhi injury and it might have been something worse than we know, or like Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) said, an overuse or stress injury that could recur and they are being super careful about it.

But my point was that the other injured guys came back and played sooner than we thought and a minutes load as far as they could handle and not the super careful shtick. Also, Manu is one who has told Pop when he wants to play even when Pop wants to sit him. If Manu feels like he can play, he's playing and he's said so publicly. So Kawhi has to be holding himself back some, IMO.

If Kawhi is indeed holding himself out, then that's him listening to his body. Can't be mad about that.

[bklynspursfan]

so u dont think murray helped...but u say aldridge did??? wtf game were YOU watching?
Wtf post are you reading. This game is on Aldridge, meaning he's why we lost.

[SAGirl]

Mmh, no son. They got withing 1 point with Murray on the floor to close the 3rd, then Tony came in for him to make it -8, then he had a nice run to make it back to -1 (so 0 net) and then left the game down 10 (-9 for that entire sequence).
Tony was fine, but when Aldridge got in foul trouble and Joff came in and Tony was left with a lineup that included Joff and Davis, that was it for the team. He set up Joff repeatedly (and one time for Davis, who fumbled the pass) but the bigs couldn't finish a single shot that Tony set up. Murray was a positive before then bc he played during a few minutes where him and Kyle set up Mills for B2B baskets and made a little run.

The game had ebbs and flows and several guys were off offensively including Murray himself, so it was tricky for Pop. They clearly missed Pau a lot, and frankly if Pau's groin thing keeps him away Pop has to make adjustments to avoid a repeat of tonight. The lineups didn't make sense etc. Many guys who aren't shooters bungled together etc.

[Chinook]

Mmh, no son. They got withing 1 point with Murray on the floor to close the 3rd, then Tony came in for him to make it -8, then he had a nice run to make it back to -1 (so 0 net) and then left the game down 10 (-9 for that entire sequence).

http://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400975221

Parker was in for both the run that brought the Spurs back and the Jazz run that put them away. Both happened in the first six minutes of the fourth. As far as I can tell, Murray's most positive run plus-minus wise came in the last six minutes of the third where the team went from eight down to four down.

[bklynspursfan]

Mmh, no son. They got withing 1 point with Murray on the floor to close the 3rd, then Tony came in for him to make it -8, then he had a nice run to make it back to -1 (so 0 net) and then left the game down 10 (-9 for that entire sequence).

Uh, no son. They got within 2 to end the 3rd. Parker got it within 1. You can verify that http://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400975221

utah started the 4th on a 6-0 run which made them go back up by 8.

[SAGirl]

Det core
good game dude.

[sasaint]

In the 3rd, murray came in at the 6:26 mark, hood left at the 4:02 mark. (Not a ton of time)

Hood took 1 floater and missed, and drew a shooting foul on Murray. I'm just questioning whether he was the Hood stopper you're making him out to be. We literally didn't make any dent until Patty hit those 3 3's

We don't know whether Dijon was the Hood stopper because, there is a micro-sample to go by. But that's the point. Our small-ballers were getting torched. Why not stick Dijon on him and see how he could do? It couldn't have been worse than 50Mills et al.

[bklynspursfan]

what exactly were you looking for? steals? the guy cut off a lot of drives, fought over screens, thus preventing the switch and mismatch, caused his man to give up the ball...good defense isnt always a block, steal, or making someone miss a shot...sometimes it is preventing a shot in the first place...him fighting over screens and causing the PG to pass it off is good defense...

then about pacing...we played with good pace when he was in...

and no...he didnt grab 3-4 boards in the last 3 minutes of the game...sigh...most of them came during significant times...one of the importances of your PG grabbing the board is pace control


They were literally in the last 3-5 mins of the game. Check the link I put for DAF86 so you guys can see the facts.

im just saying I didn't see him having a high impact. Some nights I do. Tonight it seemed he was just out there when Patty got hot honestly.

[SAGirl]

Wtf post are you reading. This game is on Aldridge, meaning he's why we lost.
Lamarcus wasn't an all star tonight. i thought he was tired at times, and frankly Pau's passing was missed.

If Pau keeps injured, Pop has to make adjustments.

Maybe Pau will be fine but groin injuries are a nag. I don't know what to expect with the team's injuries at this point.

[bklynspursfan]

I don't think Dijon was the Hood stopper because, there is a micro-SAmple to go by. Nut that's the point. Our small-ballers were getting torched. Why not stick Dijon on him and see how he could do? It couldn't have been worse than 50Mills et al.

I agree. It may have helped for sure. Idk if it would've Been enough because once TP went out, we had no one scoring the ball.

[DAF86]

In the 3rd, murray came in at the 6:26 mark, hood left at the 4:02 mark. (Not a ton of time)

Hood took 1 floater and missed, and drew a shooting foul on Murray. I'm just questioning whether he was the Hood stopper you're making him out to be. We literally didn't make any dent until Patty hit those 3 3's

So yeah, you can't remember Murray constantly being constantly punished on D.

Look son, all I'm saying is that I think Pop fucked up with the Tony-Forbes for Murray-Patty substitution to start the 4th. Patty and Murray aren't on minutes restriction, just ride with the lineup that was getting it done untill you see that it stops getting it done, tbh. That's where the game was lost imho.

[bklynspursfan]

Lamarcus wasn't an all star tonight. i thought he was tired at times, and frankly Pau's passing was missed.

If Pau keeps injured, Pop has to make adjustments.

Maybe Pau will be fine but groin injuries are a nag. I don't know what to expect with the team's injuries at this point.

Might just need to start Anderson at the 4, but it'll be matchup dependent I'm sure. Guys have off nights, no big deal. I just think if Aldridge plays decent we win. Stupid fouls, missing easy shots, etc..

[sasaint]

Lamarcus wasn't an all star tonight. i thought he was tired at times, and frankly Pau's passing was missed.

If Pau keeps injured, Pop has to make adjustments.

Maybe Pau will be fine but groin injuries are a nag. I don't know what to expect with the team's injuries at this point.

LMA hasn't been an All-Star for a small stretch of games even before tonight.

[DAF86]

Uh, no son. They got within 2 to end the 3rd. Parker got it within 1. You can verify that http://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400975221

utah started the 4th on a 6-0 run which made them go back up by 8.

Pretty sure Spurs got within 1 somewhere at the end of the 3rd too, tbh. But anyways 1, 2; it's the same fucking deal. That lineup was working and got us withing a single possession. You break up the lineup and shit got back to double digits by the time Tony got back to the bench.

[bklynspursfan]

So yeah, you can't remember Murray constantly being constantly punished on D.

Look son, all I'm saying is that I think Pop fucked up with the Tony-Forbes for Murray-Patty substitution to start the 4th. Patty and Murray aren't on minutes restriction, just ride with the lineup that was getting it done untill you see that it stops getting it done, tbh. That's where the game was lost imho.

I mean you're literally using a 2 min sample size, but sure son. I feel like Hood has played well even when we've had Green/Kawhi were in there in the past. Maybe Murray makes him miss 1 or 2, but with no one else scoring the ball it's all moot.

[bklynspursfan]

Pretty sure Spurs got within 1 somewhere at the end of the 3rd too, tbh. But anyways 1, 2; it's the same fucking deal. That lineup was working and got us withing a single possession. You break up the lineup and shit got back to double digits by the time Tony got back to the bench.

They never did... but they got it back within 1 on Parkers in in the 4th.. we're arguing over minor things when the fact that Aldridge didn't want to play was the biggest issue

[SAGirl]

So yeah, you can't remember Murray constantly being constantly punished on D.

Look son, all I'm saying is that I think Pop fucked up with the Tony-Forbes for Murray-Patty substitution to start the 4th. Patty and Murray aren't on minutes restriction, just ride with the lineup that was getting it done untill you see that it stops getting it done, tbh. That's where the game was lost imho.
I haven't liked the microlineups all season. this game they lost, but we have seen the torching before.

Pop apparently has lost belief in BP3... but it doesn't seem he's culling the rotation yet, so BP3 should have gotten a look at some point sooner. It just so happened to be one of those games that Forbes was indeed making shots. If he had been cold maybe it's easier for Pop to to pull the plug on the microcombo.

He's not going to bench Patty or Tony no matter how they get torched. I think we know that by know. But at least don't have them together.

[sasaint]

I agree. It may have helped for sure. Idk if it would've Been enough because once TP went out, we had no one scoring the ball.

We needed Tony and Murray playing together. The one for offense the other to play D on Hood.

[DAF86]

http://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400975221

Parker was in for both the run that brought the Spurs back and the Jazz run that put them away. Both happened in the first six minutes of the fourth. As far as I can tell, Murray's most positive run plus-minus wise came in the last six minutes of the third where the team went from eight down to four down.

And that's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm pretty sure the Spurs got within 1 somewhere on that final stretch of the 3rd too, but if they didn't the point still remains that the Murray, Patty, Gay, Anderson, Lauvergne lineup was the one that got us back and should ahve been the lineup to start the 4th.

And Parker on the 4th was on one positive run swandiched by two negative ones that resulted on him being -8 for the quarter.

[sasaint]

Might just need to start Anderson at the 4, but it'll be matchup dependent I'm sure. Guys have off nights, no big deal. I just think if Aldridge plays decent we win. Stupid fouls, missing easy shots, etc..

Some of us expected Kyle to be the starting 4 with Pau coming off the bench as he did during our run in the last half of last season.

[SAGirl]

Did anyone notice how Kyle seemed to miss that FT on purpose so Murray could try and get a board?
Not sure. I think Kyle was disappointed he missed the free throws, but maybe I misread the situation. He showed frustration about the last miss. You might be on to something.

I thought Kyle in general needed to be more aggressive than he was, specially bc there was a stretch that the entire bench couldn't score and even though Rudy and Murray were aggressive, they weren't making shots and didn't have better shooting nights than he did so... maybe food for thought for him.

[ElNono]

Det core

hahahaha... good win! :tu

[DAF86]

They never did... but they got it back within 1 on Parkers in in the 4th.. we're arguing over minor things when the fact that Aldridge didn't want to play was the biggest issue

To me it wasn't minor. This was the typical game against a team on a bad stretch and lack of confidence that if we would have got the lead at some point we would have ran away with it. And to me the moment to get that lead was at the start of the 4th if we would have kept the lineup that had it going at the end of the 3rd.

[Chinook]

And that's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm pretty sure the Spurs got within 1 somewhere on that final stretch of the 3rd too, but if they didn't the point still remains that the Murray, Patty, Gay, Anderson, Lauvergne lineup was the one that got us back and should ahve been the lineup to start the 4th.

And Parker on the 4th was on one poditive run swandiched by two negative one that resulted on him being -8 for the quarter.

You aren't wrong that his total run in the fourth was negative. But the one-point deficit was with him in, and so BSF was correct in that. I don't think it makes any sense to blame Tony for what happened, though. He played well. Hell, even Forbes was more overmatched than bad. The issue was definitely how many shots they missed right at the rim. Neither Tony or DeJounte made Joff make or miss the passes they gave him. Dude just scrubbed it up.

[DAF86]

You aren't wrong that his total run in the fourth was negative. But the one-point deficit was with him in, and so BSF was correct in that. I don't think it makes any sense to blame Tony for what happened, though. He played well. Hell, even Forbes was more overmatched than bad. The issue was definitely how many shots they missed right at the rim. Neither Tony or DeJounte made Joff make or miss the passes they gave him. Dude just scrubbed it up.

I'm not blaming Tony, I'm blaming Pop for not sticking with the lineup that ended the 3rd to start the 4th.

[ElNono]

If we're being honest, this game was lost in the 1st half with pathetic offense and terrible 3pt defense, tbh... the 3rd quarter was an oasis in the middle of a shit performance.

[tholdren]

LMA hasn't been an All-Star for a small stretch of games even before tonight.

Lma went to shit when kl returned.

[tholdren]

Not sure. I think Kyle was disappointed he missed the free throws, but maybe I misread the situation. He showed frustration about the last miss. You might be on to something.

I thought Kyle in general needed to be more aggressive than he was, specially bc there was a stretch that the entire bench couldn't score and even though Rudy and Murray were aggressive, they weren't making shots and didn't have better shooting nights than he did so... maybe food for thought for him.

Murray is ultimate whale poop. Stick with feminine kyle

[Chinook]

I'm not blaming Tony, I'm blaming Pop for not sticking with the lineup that ended the 3rd to start the 4th.

The lineup with Murray was only plus-four, though. You make it sound like it was some huge comeback. Hell, that particular lineup you mentioned (Murray, Mills, Gay, Anderson and Joff) was only plus-one during that stretch.

[sasaint]

Lma went to shit when kl returned.

Actually a couple of games beforehand, iirc - that's why I said in another post that he is intimidated by Kawhi's shadow - not just Kawhi, himself. :lol