Apple Admits: We Slow Down Older Phones (But Only For Your Own Good!)

[Chris]

Done with Apple...





You knew they did. We knew they did. But they'd never admit it — until now.

Anyone who has downloaded the last couple of updates on their iPhone knows that everything runs slower, and the battery seems to die much faster. Now comes an admission from Apple that you're not nuts.

"Apple on Wednesday said a software feature released last year makes your phone operate more slowly to offset problems with its aging lithium ion battery," CNet.com reported. "As batteries get older, they don't hold their charges as well as newer batteries, and can have worse problems when the charge is low or the temperature is cold."

The aging battery means your phone could have trouble operating or might unexpectedly shut down, like happened to the iPhone 6 and 6S last year. The processors in those devices wanted to hit faster speeds, but their batteries couldn't handle the demand, prompting some phones to simply switch themselves off.

To address that, Apple's iOS software, starting with last year's iOS 10.2.1, included better power management capabilities, the company says. The operating system slows down your device to prevent it from shutting down, Apple says, but only in cases of cold temperature, a low battery charge or very old batteries.

Last year's software applied to the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, 6S and 6S Plus and SE. This year's iOS 11.2 extended the feature to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus. It will be applied to other Apple devices in the future.

So, Apple has messed with almost every phone but their very latest models, the 8 and the X. The company says they did it to help users.

"Our goal is to deliver the best experience for customers, which includes overall performance and prolonging the life of their devices. Lithium-ion batteries become less capable of supplying peak current demands when in cold conditions, have a low battery charge or as they age over time, which can result in the device unexpectedly shutting down to protect its electronic components," Apple said in a statement.

"Last year we released a feature for iPhone 6, iPhone 6s and iPhone SE to smooth out the instantaneous peaks only when needed to prevent the device from unexpectedly shutting down during these conditions. We've now extended that feature to iPhone 7 with iOS 11.2, and plan to add support for other products in the future."

Geekbench all but forced the admission out of Apple.

John Poole, founder of Primate Labs, the company behind the Geekbench processor benchmarking software, said "the problem is due, in part, to a change in Apple's iOS operating system, perhaps as part of a 'fix' for an issue with some iPhones shutting down suddenly," Cnet reported.

"This fix will also cause users to think, 'my phone is slow so I should replace it' not, 'my phone is slow so I should replace its battery.' This will likely feed into the 'planned obsolescence' narrative."

Perhaps that's why the Apple store is so packed right now — people are replacing their crummy old phones with new ones — that Apple will one day brick again.

www.dailywire.com/news/24952/apple-admits-we-slow-down-older-phones-only-your-joseph-curl

[Reck]

But Chris...they explained why in details in that same article and even then in just in specific cases. :lol

As a rule of thumb, I never expect old technology to work as good as the new. 1+1=2.

[Chris]

But Chris...they explained why in details in that same article and even then in just in specific cases. :lol

As a rule of thumb, I never expect old technology to work as good as the new. 1+1=2.

Trading in a perfectly good phone every 6-12 months is insanity.

[Reck]

Trading in a perfectly good phone every 6-12 months is insanity.

Not a lot of people do that. I certainly dont.

They're only doing it with older phones. The 6 and 6S isn't exactly new. It's a couple of years old.

It's foolish to think Apple is the only one doing shady business with their product. They're all doing it.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

Trading in a perfectly good phone every 6-12 months is insanity.
Yeah, this is definitely true. Apple can give all the excuses they want, we all know that they do crap like this to get people to upgrade their phones early. There’s no way in hell that technology advances so much in only a year that this would be necessary. I have an iPhone 7 which performed just fine, yet I immediately noticed lags and glitches as soon as the iPhone X released. That’s just ridiculous and shameless of Apple.

Fuck Apple, but at the same time I’m sure Samsung/LG/etc do the exact same shit.

[Chris]

Yeah, this is definitely true. Apple can give all the excuses they want, we all know that they do crap like this to get people to upgrade their phones early. There’s no way in hell that technology advances so much in only a year that this would be necessary. I have an iPhone 7 which performed just fine, yet I immediately noticed lags and glitches as soon as the iPhone X released. That’s just ridiculous and shameless of Apple.

Fuck Apple, but at the same time I’m sure Samsung/LG/etc do the exact same shit.

Probably all use the same lithium ion batteries...We need a Tesla type innovation to break free of the cell phone monopolies.

[baseline bum]

So Apple's planned obsolescence is not a bug but a feature?

[leemajors]

I get a new iPhone every other year, have not noticed any slowdown, but I had the battery replaced under the repair extension about a year ago.

[apalisoc_9]

Isheeps still defending their cute californian company...:lol

Save for the first four versions of iphone, the Iphone has been absoulte ass compared to competition.

I'm getting an S8 soon plus a nintendo switch cause I am getting a 300CAD in store credit with a purchase of a new s8 phone. tbh.

[ElNono]

Honestly, and this is no defense of Apple, li-ion battery are well known to have a 3 year lifespan, more or less. That applies to any phone, or device that uses li-ion. Elapsed that period, batteries don't charge fully anymore and discharge quicker.

What's stupid is the industry going for non-replaceable batteries, something Apple started. Very stupid, since if you open any iPhone, the battery is an isolated pack right there, there's zero technical reasons not to have a door and a connector to replace it.

[apalisoc_9]

Honestly, and this is no defense of Apple, li-ion battery are well known to have a 3 year lifespan, more or less. That applies to any phone, or device that uses li-ion. Elapsed that period, batteries don't charge fully anymore and discharge quicker.

What's stupid is the industry going for non-replaceable batteries, something Apple started. Very stupid, since if you open any iPhone, the battery is an isolated pack right there, there's zero technical reasons not to have a door and a connector to replace it.

Zero technical reason but one hundred financial reason

[UZER]

I'll drop this here again.

SbmgV7Oyp0w

[lefty]

No shit

[lefty]

Isheeps still defending their cute californian company...:lol

Save for the first four versions of iphone, the Iphone has been absoulte ass compared to competition.

I'm getting an S8 soon plus a nintendo switch cause I am getting a 300CAD in store credit with a purchase of a new s8 phone. tbh.

You're gonna Love the S8

[Capt Bringdown]

The issue isn’t “real issues” with the batteries; the real issues are with Apple’s business practices.

If Apple was acting in good faith, it could have:

1) Given users the option in Settings of choosing the behavior that Apple decided instead to implement for everyone and keep secret;

2) Notified users that their battery was degrading — this could even be calendar-driven, if measuring battery life is a problem — and that they should take their phone to Apple and get their battery replaced.

Apple did neither of these things. Note that the second option would have generated profit for Apple. By not adopting it, Apple makes a prima facie case that they acted to maximize profit, by “nudging” users into purchasing premium-priced phones they didn’t really need.

AFAIK, battery degradation is not a new thing. And yet the idea of degraded batteries triggering degraded performance was only implemented in the recent past. Caveating that I don’t know the history of Apple’s battery technology, this also argues that the driver behind Apple’s decision was not technical but business.

[midnightpulp]

Smartphones are, by far, the most overrated and needlessly fetishized tech mankind has ever produced. It fuckin baffles me why people need the "new" version some months after the last version was released. I mean, is the new iPhone version whatever really going to do snapchat, instagram, and facebook (which is where your typical smartphone addict spends most their time) better than the last iPhone version?

As Mono said, tech doesn't move that fast anymore. You can still speedily surf the net with an eMachine running XP on Pentium 4 from 2005. There's no reason an iPhone or Galaxy from like 2013 (looking up specs) with a dual core at 1.3 GHZ and a 1GB of ram shouldn't do anything and everything outside of demanding CAD work, gaming and streaming 4K content (which makes no sense to do on a phone in all cases). Do people really need that animated emoticon shit that badly or something?

Samsung is guilty of this planned obsolescence shit, as well. I still have a Galaxy 5, and it slows down after every update and sees a reduction in battery life. And since these pieces of shit are basically walled gardens, you really can't do much to "tweak" it in order to run faster. Factory resets don't work nearly as well as a fresh install of an OS on a computer, for example. Can't upgrade any components, overclock anything, etc, etc. You're just forced to buy a new one when the supposed old one is "obsolete." And I refuse to do that, since the kind of applications smartphones are actually good for (re: not gaming, video watching, music playing) can be handled by a toaster.

[ElNono]

It's not just batteries either, they do it with the OS releases and developer tools too. There's no technical reason why a 1st gen iPad Pro can't run iOS 10 or 11, while an iPhone 5S can. None, zero.

On the devtools side, newer versions of XCode drop support for old OS versions, which means that if you want to target new features of the latest OS, your app now has a minimum OS version support of 8 or 9 (can't remember), even if your app worked perfectly fine under iOS 7, 6, 5, etc...

But hey, it's the rentier model... that's how companies make money these days...

[midnightpulp]

It's not just batteries either, they do it with the OS releases and developer tools too. There's no technical reason why a 1st gen iPad Pro can't run iOS 10 or 11, while an iPhone 5S can. None, zero.

On the devtools side, newer versions of XCode drop support for old OS versions, which means that if you want to target new features of the latest OS, your app now has a minimum OS version support of 8 or 9 (can't remember), even if your app worked perfectly fine under iOS 7, 6, 5, etc...

But hey, it's the rentier model... that's how companies make money these days...

Yep. No money in things lasting or being able to fix/upgrade things to make them last. It's the future! I think desktop PCs will probably be phased out sooner than later (for the mainstream) and the smartphone will basically function as your streamlined "all-in-one" entertainment device (computer, game console, movie player, music player, etc). Now obviously, as you know, you're not going to cram a 1080ti or some future high octane card or CPU in that form factor without it melting, so everything will probably just be streamed (like that failed project Onlive tried to do) server side once Internet speeds and infrastructure are up to snuff (if they aren't already).

No ownership of anything anymore. Renting all around.

[Reck]

Smartphones are, by far, the most overrated and needlessly fetishized tech mankind has ever produced. It fuckin baffles me why people need the "new" version some months after the last version was released. I mean, is the new iPhone version whatever really going to do snapchat, instagram, and facebook (which is where your typical smartphone addict spends most their time) better than the last iPhone version?

As Mono said, tech doesn't move that fast anymore. You can still speedily surf the net with an eMachine running XP on Pentium 4 from 2005. There's no reason an iPhone or Galaxy from like 2013 (looking up specs) with a dual core at 1.3 GHZ and a 1GB of ram shouldn't do anything and everything outside of demanding CAD work, gaming and streaming 4K content (which makes no sense to do on a phone in all cases). Do people really need that animated emoticon shit that badly or something?

Samsung is guilty of this planned obsolescence shit, as well. I still have a Galaxy 5, and it slows down after every update and sees a reduction in battery life. And since these pieces of shit are basically walled gardens, you really can't do much to "tweak" it in order to run faster. Factory resets don't work nearly as well as a fresh install of an OS on a computer, for example. Can't upgrade any components, overclock anything, etc, etc. You're just forced to buy a new one when the supposed old one is "obsolete." And I refuse to do that, since the kind of applications smartphones are actually good for (re: not gaming, video watching, music playing) can be handled by a toaster.

Truth.

I'm still rocking the early iteration of the Iphone 6. Not complaining. And before that I had the 5, skipping all the other 5 versions.

You and Nono are among my favorite posters. You faggots need to post more around here and lay down them facts.

[SpursforSix]

Yep. No money in things lasting or being able to fix/upgrade things to make them last. It's the future! I think desktop PCs will probably be phased out sooner than later (for the mainstream) and the smartphone will basically function as your streamlined "all-in-one" entertainment device (computer, game console, movie player, music player, etc). Now obviously, as you know, you're not going to cram a 1080ti or some future high octane card or CPU in that form factor without it melting, so everything will probably just be streamed (like that failed project Onlive tried to do) server side once Internet speeds and infrastructure are up to snuff (if they aren't already).

No ownership of anything anymore. Renting all around.

Yeah...but I really want to turn my face into an animated giraffe. So...

[Xevious]

The smartphone is one of the greatest and worst personal technological advancements in the last couple of decades. It replaces so many peripheral devices, including the PC in most simple cases. But this thread also illustrates why it's one of the worst things people own anymore. It's damn near impossible to even get around without one these days. And the carriers aren't interested in selling you a cheap phone with a discounted package. No, they want you to finance (or worse, lease) a new phone every 12 months that promises to masage your balls for you. And people are too broke, or too stupid, to look for other options.

And purposefully fucking your phone up with updates to force you to "upgrade" is some underhanded bullshit.

[Reck]

No, they want you to finance (or worse, lease) a new phone every 12 months that promises to masage your balls for you.


One of the worst scams they do and people fall for it in droves. (Me included the first time I ever got a smartphone)

I was getting greased with a monthly charge plus interest. Never again. I had to buy the phone straight up.

[Xevious]

And fuck paying full price for a fragile piece of equipment that drops in value faster than a car.

[resistanze]

I can't picture paying for a new phone and plan anymore tbh :lol. My Galaxy S5 ain't going anywhere soon (I don't even have a plan on the phone) and the workplace provides the iPhone I use for everything.

[IronMexican]

2018
Still buying the newest phone

Never again, mom and dad.

[apalisoc_9]

Smartphones are, by far, the most overrated and needlessly fetishized tech mankind has ever produced. It fuckin baffles me why people need the "new" version some months after the last version was released. I mean, is the new iPhone version whatever really going to do snapchat, instagram, and facebook (which is where your typical smartphone addict spends most their time) better than the last iPhone version?

As Mono said, tech doesn't move that fast anymore. You can still speedily surf the net with an eMachine running XP on Pentium 4 from 2005. There's no reason an iPhone or Galaxy from like 2013 (looking up specs) with a dual core at 1.3 GHZ and a 1GB of ram shouldn't do anything and everything outside of demanding CAD work, gaming and streaming 4K content (which makes no sense to do on a phone in all cases). Do people really need that animated emoticon shit that badly or something?

Samsung is guilty of this planned obsolescence shit, as well. I still have a Galaxy 5, and it slows down after every update and sees a reduction in battery life. And since these pieces of shit are basically walled gardens, you really can't do much to "tweak" it in order to run faster. Factory resets don't work nearly as well as a fresh install of an OS on a computer, for example. Can't upgrade any components, overclock anything, etc, etc. You're just forced to buy a new one when the supposed old one is "obsolete." And I refuse to do that, since the kind of applications smartphones are actually good for (re: not gaming, video watching, music playing) can be handled by a toaster.

ive had my grand prime for years now. :lol

but im getting the s8 cause ill be paying 0 dollars, same plan and 300isc :lol.

you cant tell me thats a bad deal

[baseline bum]

Smartphones are, by far, the most overrated and needlessly fetishized tech mankind has ever produced. It fuckin baffles me why people need the "new" version some months after the last version was released. I mean, is the new iPhone version whatever really going to do snapchat, instagram, and facebook (which is where your typical smartphone addict spends most their time) better than the last iPhone version?

As Mono said, tech doesn't move that fast anymore. You can still speedily surf the net with an eMachine running XP on Pentium 4 from 2005. There's no reason an iPhone or Galaxy from like 2013 (looking up specs) with a dual core at 1.3 GHZ and a 1GB of ram shouldn't do anything and everything outside of demanding CAD work, gaming and streaming 4K content (which makes no sense to do on a phone in all cases). Do people really need that animated emoticon shit that badly or something?

Samsung is guilty of this planned obsolescence shit, as well. I still have a Galaxy 5, and it slows down after every update and sees a reduction in battery life. And since these pieces of shit are basically walled gardens, you really can't do much to "tweak" it in order to run faster. Factory resets don't work nearly as well as a fresh install of an OS on a computer, for example. Can't upgrade any components, overclock anything, etc, etc. You're just forced to buy a new one when the supposed old one is "obsolete." And I refuse to do that, since the kind of applications smartphones are actually good for (re: not gaming, video watching, music playing) can be handled by a toaster.

Fuck smartphones. I can't believe what they cost and none of them can game anywhere near as well as a 3DS from 2011.

[baseline bum]

The smartphone is one of the greatest and worst personal technological advancements in the last couple of decades. It replaces so many peripheral devices, including the PC in most simple cases. But this thread also illustrates why it's one of the worst things people own anymore. It's damn near impossible to even get around without one these days. And the carriers aren't interested in selling you a cheap phone with a discounted package. No, they want you to finance (or worse, lease) a new phone every 12 months that promises to masage your balls for you. And people are too broke, or too stupid, to look for other options.

And purposefully fucking your phone up with updates to force you to "upgrade" is some underhanded bullshit.

I never went for the smartphone hype but the Asus tablet I got was slowed by hell every time it updated. By the time it was a year old the fucking thing felt like a dinosaur. Google can go fuck themselves, I'm not buying any more Android shit.

[midnightpulp]

Fuck smartphones. I can't believe what they cost and none of them can game anywhere near as well as a 3DS from 2011.

Another concern of mine is how the average person (moreso the average teenager or even preteen) uses it as their primary entertainment device for movie watching, music listening, and even gaming. What's the problem with that?

Obviously, a smartphone allows too convenient an access to all sorts of distractions, from checking emails, facebook, responding to texts, e-shopping, whatever. If content creators (filmmakers, music makers, etc) know they have to compete for a user's attention in such an overcrowded entertainment landscape where the typical user jumps from one thing to another every few minutes, they'll have to create content that can survive in that ecosystem, which means content that is shorter, "catchier," and shallower. It's why Vine was/is a huge thing. In addition to that, a smartphone's display and sound can't do the best film, music, and games any kind of creative justice (imagine something like Lawrence of Arabia on a 6" screen), but if that's the fidelity the next generation of consumers are used to, then there's no incentive to meticulously compose shots for your film, master your music well, etc.

This fear has been expressed before. A composer (I forget who) thought that the invention of the phonograph would spell the death of the live concert and lower the standards of music composition overall. Filmmakers thought television would condition people to prefer motion pictures on smaller screens. We've been here before, and good creative work always finds a way to flourish, so I'm not that pessimistic...yet.

[midnightpulp]

ive had my grand prime for years now. :lol

but im getting the s8 cause ill be paying 0 dollars, same plan and 300isc :lol.

you cant tell me thats a bad deal

Free (with your plan) is never a bad deal. Ride it till it dies. Don't reward this planned obsolescence bullshit by buying the new whatever next year.

[apalisoc_9]

Free (with your plan) is never a bad deal. Ride it till it dies. Don't reward this planned obsolescence bullshit by buying the new whatever next year.

My grand prime runs well because it was never updated. The only problem is the 8gb interntal storage. I could easily buy a microsd though.

Just need a new phone cause the screen cracked a few months ago and its hard to watch games with cracked screens.

[illusioNtEk]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/image.php?u=11260&dateline=1505429518
https://img.cinemablend.com/cb/b/5/d/3/7/b/b5d37bf1794fbfdf759e7ee0d5f12a58f150910fe1f02cafcf 3a1d3b7f6e6ea3.jpg

[DJR210]

Yeah...but I really want to turn my face into an animated giraffe. So...

I fucking hate that commercial man.. the dumbass blonde bitch and her retard face, the song, the damn animated thing.. everything.. Who the hell buys a phone based on a shit feature like this :lol

[SpursforSix]

I fucking hate that commercial man.. the dumbass blonde bitch and her retard face, the song, the damn animated thing.. everything.. Who the hell buys a phone based on a shit feature like this :lol

They're gonna be sending out their clever animated emjois and no one is going to watch that shit. They'll use a 5 or 6 times.

Not to mention that the receiver also has to have an IPhone.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

BOOM! Apple apologizes, offers to replace old batteries for $29 and only for one year.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/28/16827248/apple-iphone-battery-replacement-price-slow-down-apology (https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/28/16827248/apple-iphone-battery-replacement-price-slow-down-apology)

[Reck]

Ever since reading this thread I've become paranoid about my shit being slow. And it has been. Also crashing on sites it never was before. :lol

[Chucho]

Isheeps still defending their cute californian company...:lol

Save for the first four versions of iphone, the Iphone has been absoulte ass compared to competition.

I'm getting an S8 soon plus a nintendo switch cause I am getting a 300CAD in store credit with a purchase of a new s8 phone. tbh.

I got $400 trade in on Note 5 I got free at Sprint switching to ATT for a Note 8. Get the Note, better than the Galaxy this round. And get yourself the VR too, worth it for a C note.

[Chucho]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/image.php?u=11260&dateline=1505429518
https://img.cinemablend.com/cb/b/5/d/3/7/b/b5d37bf1794fbfdf759e7ee0d5f12a58f150910fe1f02cafcf 3a1d3b7f6e6ea3.jpg


:lol

[apalisoc_9]

I got $400 trade in on Note 5 I got free at Sprint switching to ATT for a Note 8. Get the Note, better than the Galaxy this round. And get yourself the VR too, worth it for a C note.

No ones going to give me a dollar with a galaxy grand prime :lmao

I dont wan to pay for a phone. Plus, the s8 is on a cheaper plan.

[spurraider21]

BOOM! Apple apologizes, offers to replace old batteries for $29 and only for one year.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/28/16827248/apple-iphone-battery-replacement-price-slow-down-apology (https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/28/16827248/apple-iphone-battery-replacement-price-slow-down-apology)
at least thats something. i've had my iphone 6 for about 3 years now, and it was running at a snails pace... very choppy

[lefty]

No ones going to give me a dollar with a galaxy grand prime :lmao

I dont wan to pay for a phone. Plus, the s8 is on a cheaper plan.
Note 8 is great, but it's more expensive than the S8 and is too big for my tiny girly hands.(and good luck trying to reach the FP if you don't have big ass hands)
Dat SPen is awesome imo fwiw

Happy with the S8 so far, great battery life, nice Samsung features, amazing screen.

[apalisoc_9]

Note 8 is great, but it's more expensive than the S8 and is too big for my tiny girly hands.(and good luck trying to reach the FP if you don't have big ass hands)
Dat SPen is awesome imo fwiw

Happy with the S8 so far, great battery life, nice Samsung features, amazing screen.

are you using your older phone?

I wanna carry it around, but I cant find the box that came with the phone. I wanna use it as an emergency phone so i need to get it unlocked.

[lefty]

are you using your older phone?

I wanna carry it around, but I cant find the box that came with the phone. I wanna use it as an emergency phone so i need to get it unlocked.

I wanted to keep it as a backup but my sister's iPhone was dieding (surprise surprise) so I gave her my S6.

My dad has the Moto E4 (2017 ) that he ordered from Amazon last month.
Pretty good shit for a $150 phone , smooth , has a fingerprint scanner, a front facing speaker, and micro SD slot.

Camera is meh and it's not water resistant but for the price it's damn good.
(That's his main phone by the way)

You can look into that, pretty solid backup phone

[leemajors]

not on topic, but a nice thing:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BdT52j-HEqi/?taken-by=duhbrook

[leemajors]

I wanted to keep it as a backup but my sister's iPhone was dieding (surprise surprise) so I gave her my S6.

My dad has the Moto E4 (2017 ) that he ordered from Amazon last month.
Pretty good shit for a $150 phone , smooth , has a fingerprint scanner, a front facing speaker, and micro SD slot.

Camera is meh and it's not water resistant but for the price it's damn good.
(That's his main phone by the way)

You can look into that, pretty solid backup phone

Shoulda given your sis a battery replacement tbh, you cheap fuck.

[lefty]

Shoulda given your sis a battery replacement tbh, you cheap fuck.

Lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Lmao

finally got an s8. I had no idea we get a 40% discount on our monthly plans working for gov. I should have bought the note 8, but the 300 credit in store was too much to pass up. I couldbt get one with the note 8. I just wanna buy a switch so opted for s8.

[lefty]

finally got an s8. I had no idea we get a 40% discount on our monthly plans working for gov. I should have bought the note 8, but the 300 credit in store was too much to pass up. I couldbt get one with the note 8. I just wanna buy a switch so opted for s8.

My nigga

[DMC]

If they didn't have so many worthless fucking apps that need to constantly update because the "chinese alphabet" or some stupid shit, these batteries would be just fine. You disable updates, then a mandatory OS update comes and turns them all back on.

[DJR210]

Apple ride or dies are funny as shit.. The only dumbass I know whos been buying iPhones since day 1 had plenty to say to avoid this new development..

First it was "oh my iPhone didnt go any slower so that article is just hating", then after he was told Apple confirmed the story themselves it turned into a defense of needing an upgrade anyway.. Yes that's true, we all need animojis