Worse player: Joff or Ayres?

[ElNono]

Honestly, my memory on Ayres is a bit fuzzy, but I really don’t remember him being Joff-awful. Missing dunks? Sure. Blatant open layups back to back? I just don’t remember that.

Thoughts?

[Stabula]

Ayres by a long shot but Joff sucks too

[mexicanjunior]

Joff...he belongs in the G League with about half this shit roster...

[dabom]

Porker for trying to feed him like he Prime Duncan. :lol

[daslicer]

Joff is a delusional player. He actually believes that he's Hakeem or Duncan out there as evident by his play in this game.

[TheGreatYacht]

Bottom of the barrel players are all we can afford after 50 Mills happened

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq8tgKJeEtY

[Chris]

Errors so far.

[ElNono]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq8tgKJeEtY

Joff missed 5 easy ones this game alone, IIRC.

[DPG21920]

Which one is a NBA champion?

[SequSpur]

Dude, the Spurs suck balls. this is the worst ever.

[ElNono]

Which one is a NBA champion?

mein negger

[Budkin]

Really? Joff sucks but Ayres was one of the biggest scrubs of all time.

[YGWHI]

I miss Dedmon -even if Pop hates him- and David Lee.

[bic50]

I miss Dedmon -even if Pop hates him- and David Lee.

[Chinook]

They are about the same. Difference is the Spurs had Tim, Tiago, Boris and eventually Aron to put in front of Jeff. Spurs only have Pau and LMA, with the former being old and needing rest games.

[tholdren]

Pau airballed layups in the playoffs last year. Joff is not as bad as murray

[SpurPadre]

Joffrey Ayres, tbh.

[Hoops Czar]

If I could choose, I would much rather have Dedmon and BP3 than Simmons and Laughverne.

[SAGirl]

Errors got that name bc he also TO the ball 25% of the time. He had terrible hands. Having said that Chinook is right. Ayres had 4 bigs ahead of him + Bonner that were better so we were spared. His second season even with Tiago injured most of the season Ayres still played just about 250 minutes total and all of it was garbage time.

Problem is they need Joff for more than that.

I agree with Chinook they should have looked at someone a little bit better even for a little bit more. Dedmon isn’t even super expensive right now.

[gospursgojas]

I knew this comparison would be made here while watching the game tonight.

Stop signing guys names Jeff please

[TheGreatYacht]

If I could choose, I would much rather have Dedmon and BP3 than Simmons and Laughverne.
Lol BP3. Still not sure what he does at a league average level

[Hoops Czar]

Lol BP3. Still not sure what he does at a league average level

Simmons is the better player but Dedmon is a bigger need. Laughverne is just getting abused and he's not in the rotation by choice but by necessity. The only interior defender on the team is LMA and he's not defending anywhere near the level of a 38 year old Tim Duncan with bad knees.

[r0drig0lac]

Joff really harms the team

[Spurtacular]

Ayres was a good 13th man. ST is retarded, tbh.

[timtonymanu]

Dude is fucking trash. Brazil was right, that preseason was a fluke and Joff doesn’t belong on an nba roster.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I've recently had the finger injury that joff has. I'll give him a pass for that, cause I couldn't do shit with my hand let alone play basketball.

[sananspursfan21]

Wait, are they not the same person? Joff Ayers right?

[jyra]

Joff is a delusional player. He actually believes that he's Hakeem or Duncan out there as evident by his play in this game.

Ayres knew his role at least. He sucked but never tried to do too much. Lauvergne is calling for the ball on way too many possessions.

[Blake]

I like Joff if he can figure out his role

[Phenomanul]

I miss Dedmon -even if Pop hates him- and David Lee.

Sure David Lee got hurt... but all indications showed that he, like Parker had healed enough to be serviceable this season. He is a natural roll guy on the pick and roll and understands passing angles. Was a hustle player who often found the occasional offensive board. He is a vet who understood his role and did it well. It took him some time, but Lee was playing well with the second unit. Certainly, better than Joff.

It would be speculative on my part, but Pop probably didn't "fight hard" to retain Lee's services because like Dedmon, Lee didn't ideologically align himself with the gestapo thought police.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/07/20/david-lee-trump-vote/

If that's the case, what is the point of expounding the virtues of "tolerance for all" when really that isn't the case with left-leaning demagogues. If Pop prioritized his political ideology above the needs of the team, shame on him - especially when that has nothing to do with Basketball or with Lee's character on or off the hardwood.

I still think Joff has a chance to be a good player. He is younger and has good upside. But waiting on his development doesn't help the Spurs' "win now" objective.

[tholdren]

Errors. Its not close

[mookie2001]

At least Ayres didn't try to finish at the rim, he knew he couldn't. This frenchie Joffrey is getting real minutes and attacks the rim like terry shaivo

[SpurPadre]

Sure David Lee got hurt... but all indications showed that he, like Parker had healed enough to be serviceable this season. He is a natural roll guy on the pick and roll and understands passing angles. Was a hustle player who often found the occasional offensive board. He is a vet who understood his role and did it well. It took him some time, but Lee was playing well with the second unit. Certainly, better than Joff.

It would be speculative on my part, but Pop probably didn't "fight hard" to retain Lee's services because like Dedmon, Lee didn't ideologically align himself with the gestapo thought police.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/07/20/david-lee-trump-vote/

If that's the case, what is the point of expounding the virtues of "tolerance for all" when really that isn't the case with left-leaning demagogues. If Pop prioritized his political ideology above the needs of the team, shame on him - especially when that has nothing to do with Basketball or with Lee's character on or off the hardwood.

I still think Joff has a chance to be a good player. He is younger and has good upside. But waiting on his development doesn't help the Spurs' "win now" objective.

Well, to be fair, if Lee's real IQ is that of a retard, then why would his basketball IQ be any better?

[SAGirl]

Lee got injured and while he was rehabbing in the summer he got engaged. He just retired recently. He’d gotten injuries every season the past 3 or 4 seasons in the league and I think he really was considering retiring anyways but getting engaged and prioritizing other things in life finally made up his mind for him. At some point playing for the vet minimum while risking injuries again is not better than getting married and pursuing other things in life.

[benefactor]

Where's that faggot that said Joff was better than Jordan Bell?:lol

[Dverde]

Ayres and it is not even close. He had trouble catching passes and dunking the ball.

[spurraider21]

jeebus

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/4008.png&w=350&h=254

[Trainwreck2100]

I mean it's almost like joff was a guy they got on the cheap who probably shouldn't start for a team.

[NASpurs]

Another strike from the HotS recommendations list. Hopefully he’ll never be the GM for the Spurs.

[spurraider21]

Another strike from the HotS recommendations list. Hopefully he’ll never be the GM for the Spurs.
we'd be short 1 without :bobo

[Phenomanul]

Well, to be fair, if Lee's real IQ is that of a retard, then why would his basketball IQ be any better?
And THAT’s why people voted for Trump...

The left loves slapping all sorts of nefarious labels on conservatives. Elitist hypocrisy is what that amounts to... not all left leaning folks are crazy, and certainly not all conservatives. But the global painting of all conservatives as “stupid” is counterproductive and polarizing.

[DMC]

Isn't Ayers a champion?

[SAGirl]

I disliked Ayers a lot due to his bad hands, but I think he was better defensively than Joff. still :vomit:




Rk
Player
Season
Age
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS

ORtg
DRtg


1
Jeff Ayres (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pendeje02.html)
2013-14
26
73
10
952
5.4
9.2
.580
0.0
0.0

5.4
9.2
.580
2.0
2.9
.691
4.7
9.0
13.7
3.2
0.7
1.3
3.3
7.8
12.7

110
103


2
Joffrey Lauvergne (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lauvejo01.html)
2017-18
26
19
1
218
8.9
17.5
.507
0.0
0.7
.000
8.9
16.8
.528
2.8
4.7
.600
5.8
9.1
14.9
3.0
1.4
0.0
3.3
5.6
20.5

105
105




Advanced



Rk
Player
Season
Age
G
MP
PER
TS%
3PAr
FTr
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%

OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48

OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP


1
Jeff Ayres (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pendeje02.html)
2013-14
26
73
952
11.1
.605
.000
.316
11.0
19.2
15.3
8.6
0.7
1.9
24.1
12.4

1.0
1.4
2.4
.121

-1.6
2.1
0.5
0.6


2
Joffrey Lauvergne (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lauvejo01.html)
2017-18
26
19
218
14.9
.525
.040
.267
12.9
20.0
16.4
9.6
1.4
0.0
14.3
20.2

0.2
0.3
0.5
.106

-1.6
-0.6
-2.2
0.0

[DMC]

mein egger

fixed

[NASpurs]

we'd be short 1 without :bobo

True that and Bobo reminds one of my favorite Spurs ever and that probably wipes away all the other shitty recommendations of de Colo, Jean Charles and Joff. But I just feel Bobo was different from the recommendations of those other guys, seeing as he was still extremely talented in Charlotte but just stuck in a shitty situation unlike the others (outside of Joff) who hadn't played a single game in the NBA. The Spurs knew who Diaw was and Diaw knew who the Spurs were.

[BD24]

Errors is the worst spurs player to get average minutes since the Duncan era started. He didn’t even belong In the g league.

chinese league player at best

[TheGreatYacht]

I don't think some of you remember just how bad Errors was tbh....

I'll give Joff this, at least he's not a clapper

[Chris]

And THAT’s why people voted for Trump...

The left loves slapping all sorts of nefarious labels on conservatives. Elitist hypocrisy is what that amounts to... not all left leaning folks are crazy, and certainly not all conservatives. But the global painting of all conservatives as “stupid” is counterproductive and polarizing.

Get thee to the political forum. Your services are needed against the disease known as Liberalism.

[Seventyniner]

I think Joff is slightly better but is asked to do (and tries to do) way too much. There's a reason he doesn't play much even with only 3 bigs on the roster and that he was available for the min.

[Phenomanul]

Get thee to the political forum. Your services are needed against the disease known as Liberalism.

I left it for good about 2 years ago...

Someone got all butthurt and literally emailed the human resources department at my employment to tell them that "an employee was spending too much time on political blogs..." [paraphrasing]

They brushed it off simply because I am really efficient at what I do, and produce - regardless of HOW I spend my time.

BUT it hit a little too close to home... don't want the unstable folks in that forum going to hunt me or my family down simply for not conforming with their ideology. boutons is literally a moment's spark away from engaging in domestic t e r r o r I s m. He's literally one of the most spiteful, anger-filled, bitter people I have ever encountered - anywhere.

I'm an immigrant, born in Mexico - but a naturalized U.S. Citizen - yet to them I am a racist xenophobe for understanding the value and need for American Exceptionalism. Like seriously? WTH? They are so absolutist and dense. In that particular instance they couldn't understand how a Mexican could denounce the corruption in Mexico. How it was possible to love the land, the people, the food, the women, the culture, the history - but denounce their socialist/narco policy making. Anyways...

Just not worth all the hassle...

[tholdren]

I disliked Ayers a lot due to his bad hands, but I think he was better defensively than Joff. still :vomit:




Rk
Player
Season
Age
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS

ORtg
DRtg


1
Jeff Ayres (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pendeje02.html)
2013-14
26
73
10
952
5.4
9.2
.580
0.0
0.0

5.4
9.2
.580
2.0
2.9
.691
4.7
9.0
13.7
3.2
0.7
1.3
3.3
7.8
12.7

110
103


2
Joffrey Lauvergne (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lauvejo01.html)
2017-18
26
19
1
218
8.9
17.5
.507
0.0
0.7
.000
8.9
16.8
.528
2.8
4.7
.600
5.8
9.1
14.9
3.0
1.4
0.0
3.3
5.6
20.5

105
105




Advanced



Rk
Player
Season
Age
G
MP
PER
TS%
3PAr
FTr
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%

OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48

OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP


1
Jeff Ayres (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pendeje02.html)
2013-14
26
73
952
11.1
.605
.000
.316
11.0
19.2
15.3
8.6
0.7
1.9
24.1
12.4

1.0
1.4
2.4
.121

-1.6
2.1
0.5
0.6


2
Joffrey Lauvergne (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lauvejo01.html)
2017-18
26
19
218
14.9
.525
.040
.267
12.9
20.0
16.4
9.6
1.4
0.0
14.3
20.2

0.2
0.3
0.5
.106

-1.6
-0.6
-2.2
0.0






Lol joff per leaves murray in the dust

Murray per 12 5

[DeRozan m8]

Ayres is the worst I've seen

[tonight...you]

Marduk, how I wish Splitter could come back healthy and ready to rock.
Couldn't happen when he was young... no chance now.

But damn... He would be perfect for this team.

[spursistan]

I don't think some of you remember just how bad Errors was tbh....


I'll give Joff this, at least he's not a clapper

TBH

Dude managed to be totally sucky and unplayable for the greatest Spurs' team ever..:lol

I remember how his unit used to bleed a 30 point lead to 12-15 pts in few minutes at the start o the 4th quarter which would lead Pop to reinsert Timmy or Diaw to put it to bed.. He had no chemistry with anyone on a team whose players played off each other in their sleep..

[timtonymanu]

Errors the clapper. :lol I loved it when jeebus would talk about his favorite player.

[weeks]

ayres and it's not even close, he was just awful.

[DeadlyDynasty]

If you wandered in here having never watched an NBA game, I think you could safely deduce that a team with a guy named "Joffrey Lauvergne" in its rotation is probably not going to win a championship.

[ElNono]

If you wandered in here having never watched an NBA game, I think you could safely deduce that a team with a guy named "Joffrey Lauvergne" in its rotation is probably not going to win a championship.

But, you would also deduce the guy has a future on a boy's band...

[Spurtacular]

I think Joff is slightly better but is asked to do (and tries to do) way too much. There's a reason he doesn't play much even with only 3 bigs on the roster and that he was available for the min.

Yea, it's called the NBA's switch to small ball. It's ruined / put a damper on plenty of bigs' careers, too. If you're a non-wing 6' 9" and over, the NBA is fucking you in the ass right now.

[MVPCues]

Gums may never live down his time with the team.

[BackHome]

Dude not even close there was a reason this forum gave him the nickname “ERRORS “ he couldn’t catch he couldn’t shoot and he couldn’t dunk

[objective]

Joffrey might be the worst defensive big of the Duncan+ era. Combine that with his hogging and chucking and he's incredibly bad.

He is astonishingly bad.

No question, JORDAN BELL is much better than him. More mpg on a title team, he'd be getting 20+ minutes a game every game on the Spurs.

Joffrey still doesn't have a block this season.

He didn't have a block last year with the Bulls.

Bell has nearly as many blocks in 25 games and 323 minutes (28 blocks) as Joffrey has in his entire 4 year career, 172 games and 2507 minutes (31 blocks).

And he makes shots, 73.2% true shooting compared to Joffrey's 52.5%

[BackHome]

I think though that if Joff finger was not fucked up he would t be hated as much. I think on the offense side of the ball he Is a decent player but on the defense side he is really really bad. I actually think Matt Castillo from Austin Toros could easily replace him and give us a much better defender.

[Spurtacular]

ST trying to rag on an end of the bench guy who does intangibles and shoot north of 50FG. :lol

[Spurtacular]

Yea, it's called the NBA's switch to small ball. It's ruined / put a damper on plenty of bigs' careers, too. If you're a non-wing 6' 9" and over, the NBA is fucking you in the ass right now.


ST trying to rag on an end of the bench guy who does intangibles and shoot north of 50FG. :lol

Yea. Wouldn't bother me if he was shipped to the d-league tomorrow; but today's ST'er. :lol

[tholdren]

Lol joff per leaves murray in the dust

Murray per 12 5

[BillMc]

My recollection of Ayres is he had hands of stone and couldn't catch anything. But he's a champ. Spurs '14 baby. :lobt2:

(The other thing I remember is Joff claiming some hotel was haunted...)

[buttsR4rebounding]

I understand Lauvergne is changing his name to Pendergraff.

[MVPCues]

My recollection of Joff is he had hands of stone and couldn't catch anything. But he's a champ. Spurs '14 baby. :lobt2:

(The other thing I remember is Joff claiming some hotel was haunted...)

Check your spelling bro.

[BillMc]

Check your spelling bro.

Yep. Many thanks.

[jeebus]

jeebus (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=22786)

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/4008.png&w=350&h=254

It warms my heart that this pile of slave shit keeps getting passed around from country to country, trying to eek out a living by missing dunks and rebounding over people who are a foot shorter than him.

[cd021]

My recollection of Ayres is he had hands of stone and couldn't catch anything. But he's a champ. Spurs '14 baby. :lobt2:

(The other thing I remember is Joff claiming some hotel was haunted...)

I think Ayers was better even with Medusa hands. He was athletic, mobile, an underrated passer, pretty good rebounder and a good finisher (we he managed to catch the ball) he shot 58% during the 13-14 championship run.

[cd021]

Joffrey might be the worst defensive big of the Duncan+ era. Combine that with his hogging and chucking and he's incredibly bad.

He is astonishingly bad.

No question, JORDAN BELL is much better than him. More mpg on a title team, he'd be getting 20+ minutes a game every game on the Spurs.

Joffrey still doesn't have a block this season.

He didn't have a block last year with the Bulls.

Bell has nearly as many blocks in 25 games and 323 minutes (28 blocks) as Joffrey has in his entire 4 year career, 172 games and 2507 minutes (31 blocks).

And he makes shots, 73.2% true shooting compared to Joffrey's 52.5%

Joff's only played 218 minutes this season but that is still pretty surprising that he doesn't have a single block; in fact if you combine his minutes from last season and this season, he has played 1200 minutes and tallied only 6 blocks, Murray has 8 in 635 minutes this season. I don't know if i'd call him the worst defensive big of the pop era, Blair was a special type of bad.


Bell looks to be a steal for the Warriors :depressedI was more upset that the Spurs didn't take a big at all in the draft, though they were apparently going to take Tony Bradley before Utah traded up with the Lakers.

[BackHome]

Bottom line to be better team we need a better player at this position. Man I really miss Lee we could really use him now.

[raybies]

About Bell, I'll admit i was very low on him in the draft process so yeah. But like Kerr said Bell production was product of all the space he receives. But I don't want to take too much away from Bell. And while he can't space the ball, other than that he's pretty well rounded. But as for him playing here and getting minutes, that's very unlikely. Pop wouldn't go a position of need with one rookie. Joff would probably still be here even if we drafted Bell cause they would want someone more experienced. Also don't space the floor like the Warriors...

As for Joff, I don't think he's that bad and I definitely think Ayers is worse. Like I said in the other thread, he still has excuses in my book. He's got a torn ligament in his finger if I'm not mistaken and he's had injuries. I like his looks at the basket. He's aggressive. He's the best pick and roll big we got and he's an excellent energy big off the bench. Just not ready to judge him when he's playing through an injury. I guess y'all think his shots are stupid but he's just not a guy taking up space out there. He plays with a purpose and I can appreciate that. Y'all act like he misses everything he shoots. The guy is shooting 50% from the field.

[ElNono]

It warms my heart that this pile of slave shit keeps getting passed around from country to country, trying to eek out a living by missing dunks and rebounding over people who are a foot shorter than him.

What are your thoughts on Joff, tbh? Could he get a job at the new AT&T Whataburger, tbh?

[daslicer]

About Bell, I'll admit i was very low on him in the draft process so yeah. But like Kerr said Bell production was product of all the space he receives. But I don't want to take too much away from Bell. And while he can't space the ball, other than that he's pretty well rounded. But as for him playing here and getting minutes, that's very unlikely. Pop wouldn't go a position of need with one rookie. Joff would probably still be here even if we drafted Bell cause they would want someone more experienced. Also don't space the floor like the Warriors...

As for Joff, I don't think he's that bad and I definitely think Ayers is worse. Like I said in the other thread, he still has excuses in my book. He's got a torn ligament in his finger if I'm not mistaken and he's had injuries. I like his looks at the basket. He's aggressive. He's the best pick and roll big we got and he's an excellent energy big off the bench. Just not ready to judge him when he's playing through an injury. I guess y'all think his shots are stupid but he's just not a guy taking up space out there. He plays with a purpose and I can appreciate that. Y'all act like he misses everything he shoots. The guy is shooting 50% from the field.

Bell has no jump shot and like you said he benefits a lot from the spacing the Warriors provide for him. Another thing to factor in is Bell is foul prone. He would be in Pop's doghouse if he was here due to his tendency to foul a lot. His passing is not amazing to me since the majority of the passes he makes are simple passes to Curry,Klay,Kevin for the easy jumpshot. I have said it before assists in the Warriors system is overrated because you are guaranteed 3-4 assists by default simply by playing with KD,Curry,Klay. Bigs are going to get a lot of assists in the Warriors system simply because when they get the ball in the post they can pass it back KD,,Klay,Curry for an easy bucket. Prime Duncan would average 10 assists a game if he played with the Warriors. I'll give him this that he's super athletic, good shot blocker, good rebounder, and good at rolling to the basket. He's a very good high energy role player that the Warriors were able to get.

[gospursgojas]

At least Errors slapped the ball when he messed up. Made me feel better that he was really upset he messed up... yet again.

[hater]

Its Pops stupid ass fault for trying to run the offnse thru him :lmao

[weeks]

At least Errors slapped the ball when he messed up. Made me feel better that he was really upset he messed up... yet again.

that just made it really sad
because he so clearly sucked and was never, ever going to improve

man some of the trash this FO put around duncan

[jeebus]

What are your thoughts on Joff, tbh? Could he get a job at the new AT&T Whataburger, tbh?
Probably. And hire Dejuan Blair as the cook. I'm sure he'd be happy to get out of Argentina

[ElNono]

Probably. And hire Dejuan Blair as the cook. I'm sure he'd be happy to get out of Argentina

tbh, that dude probably still owes money to the jeweler...

[SAGirl]

Kinda feel sorry for Joff at this point.

[Phenomanul]

lmao if you voted for trump you’re a moron. thats the iq test. did you vote for trump? yes = stupid; no=maybe not stupid

Only fascists are absolutists... like the Nazis the Argentineans harbored during and after WWII.

Here in this country we reserve the right to keep our votes anonymous.
SMDH

[objective]

Jordan Bell now with more career blocks than Joffrey Lauvergne. 3 years and 144 fewer games.

I'd rather have Ayres than Joffrey.