If the Saints move to SA...

[Brutalis]

How does it in any way help the Spurs? And considering it doesnt, and does more damage than anything, why are the fans so willing after what the Spurs have done for San Antonio make them fight for the same turf? Doesnt seem right, or fair.

If this in anyway hurts the Spurs why support it. The Saints are not a charity case.

[TheWriter]

How does it in any way help the Spurs? And considering it doesnt, and does more damage than anything, why are the fans so willing after what the Spurs have done for San Antonio make them fight for the same turf? Doesnt seem right, or fair.

If this in anyway hurts the Spurs why support it. The Saints are not a charity case.

This will not hurt the Spurs.

Also, the NFL season is over by the time the real NBA season starts (after the All-Star break).

[Brutalis]

This will not hurt the Spurs.

Also, the NFL season is over by the time the real NBA season starts (after the All-Star break).
On the news here in Arkansas they have spoke over the weekend about how officials in San Antonio are already underway at trying to get the Saints. They said SA cannot support the Saints unless the state of Texas itself does it. Plus they would need another stadium built (as if texas doesnt have enough). Among other things... They also spoke about how if the Saints do move to San Antonio, they will never be San Antonio's team. That mentally Texans could never righteoussly claim the Saints as their own. They said it would be like the Cardinals moving to Little Rock, it just isnt LR's team no matter.

Any of this true?

[TheWriter]

On the news here in Arkansas they have spoke over the weekend about how officials in San Antonio are already underway at trying to get the Saints. They said SA cannot support the Saints unless the state of Texas itself does it. Plus they would need another stadium built (as if texas doesnt have enough). Among other things... They also spoke about how if the Saints do move to San Antonio, they will never be San Antonio's team. That mentally Texans could never righteoussly claim the Saints as their own. They said it would be like the Cardinals moving to Little Rock, it just isnt LR's team no matter.

Any of this true?

I'm sure Texas or anyone living here cares what a news station in Arkansas has to say.

:lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Of course it wouldn't hurt the Spurs because to do so would run counter to the greatness of San Antonio de Bexar.

Damn, you put a NFL team in the middle of football-mad South Texas and don't expect that the heretofore only major pro team (a NBA team) in town might feel a pinch?

[j-6]

If it does happen...

They'll be San Antonio's team just as surely as the Titans belong to Nashville and the Ravens belong to Baltimore. Or the Cardinals belong to Phoenix, for that matter (yeah, I know you meant baseball, but ya get the point).

The new stadium vs. Alamodome renovation is a very sticky subject and will be roundly criticized no matter what the result is.

I know little about changing the affiliation of a region like the Saints might try to wrestle away from the Cowboys, but I bet it isn't easy. Maybe Jacksonville fans used to be Dolphin/Bucs/Saints/Falcons fans before getting their own team.

[TheWriter]

Of course it wouldn't hurt the Spurs because to do so would run counter to the greatness of San Antonio de Bexar.

Damn, you put a NFL team in the middle of football-mad South Texas and don't expect that the heretofore only major pro team (a NBA team) in town might feel a pinch?

Why would it feel a pinch?

The freakin' football season is over before the all-star game.

Man, get off your "I need to make San Antonio look as bad as possible to arouse my pensi" trip.

[Brutalis]

I'm sure Texas or anyone living here cares what a news station in Arkansas has to say.

:lol

Um, anyways.

I was asking about the truth of what I heard, Mr. Obvious...

[Marcus Bryant]

If it does happen...

They'll be San Antonio's team just as surely as the Titans belong to Nashville and the Ravens belong to Baltimore. Or the Cardinals belong to Phoenix, for that matter (yeah, I know you meant baseball, but ya get the point).

The new stadium vs. Alamodome renovation is a very sticky subject and will be roundly criticized no matter what the result is.

I know little about changing the affiliation of a region like the Saints might try to wrestle away from the Cowboys, but I bet it isn't easy. Maybe Jacksonville fans used to be Dolphin/Bucs/Saints/Falcons fans before getting their own team.


What's likely to happen is that Mayor Hamburger or whatever will appoint a commission headed by none other than Buddy Holly to determine the NFL allegiance of all San Antonians and to arrange deportations of those who are unwilling to accept the San Antonio Saints as their favorite NFL team and Henry Cisneros as their Lord and Savior.

[j-6]

Of course it wouldn't hurt the Spurs because to do so would run counter to the greatness of San Antonio de Bexar.

Damn, you put a NFL team in the middle of football-mad South Texas and don't expect that the heretofore only major pro team (a NBA team) in town might feel a pinch?


What would be awfuly scary will be the first time that the Spurs are shitty and the NFL franchise is championship caliber if the Saints move there. What will those two bandwagons look like?

[Brutalis]

Of course it wouldn't hurt the Spurs because to do so would run counter to the greatness of San Antonio de Bexar.

Damn, you put a NFL team in the middle of football-mad South Texas and don't expect that the heretofore only major pro team (a NBA team) in town might feel a pinch?
I can never tell if you are just arrogant, or stupid.

[TheWriter]

Um, anyways.

I was asking about the truth of what I heard, Mr. Obvious...

Frok a AR news station?

What the hell did they do, read some posts by MB on this board?

[Marcus Bryant]

Why would it feel a pinch?

The freakin' football season is over before the all-star game.

Man, get off your "I need to make San Antonio look as bad as possible to arouse my pensi" trip.


Oh, of course all San Antonians have unlimited budgets.

[TheWriter]

What's likely to happen is that Mayor Hamburger or whatever will appoint a commission headed by none other than Buddy Holly to determine the NFL allegiance of all San Antonians and to arrange deportations of those who are unwilling to accept the San Antonio Saints as their favorite NFL team and Henry Cisneros as their Lord and Savior.

:lol :lol :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

What would be awfuly scary will be the first time that the Spurs are shitty and the NFL franchise is championship caliber if the Saints move there. What will those two bandwagons look like?


Exactly. Trying to sell tix for 41 games to see a lottery team play in SA? Yikes.

See 1996-97.

[Brutalis]

I just feel like the Spurs in the long run are getting bumped. I dont really oppose the Saints if they move to SA, but if it hurts the Spurs I'd rather they fuck off is all.

[TheWriter]

Oh, of course all San Antonians have unlimited budgets.

More pathetic retorts from none of than dipshit McGee.

[Marcus Bryant]

I can never tell if you are just arrogant, or stupid.


The feeling's mutual. What exactly was wrong with the sentiment of that statement?

[Brutalis]

Frok a AR news station?

What the hell did they do, read some posts by MB on this board?
Every sunday night channel 11 does an hour show on news and happenings in the state and around us. Most of the show was about the Saints maybe moving and how ignorant Houston Nutt is.

[TheWriter]

Exactly. Trying to sell tix for 41 games to see a lottery team play in SA? Yikes.

See 1996-97.

Yeah, nearly 18,000 a game.

[j-6]

What's likely to happen is that Mayor Hamburger or whatever will appoint a commission headed by none other than Buddy Holly to determine the NFL allegiance of all San Antonians and to arrange deportations of those who are unwilling to accept the San Antonio Saints as their favorite NFL team and Henry Cisneros as their Lord and Savior.

I thought Mayor McCheese retired?

http://www.spaff.com/poesy/mccheese.jpg

[Marcus Bryant]

I just feel like the Spurs in the long run are getting bumped. I dont really oppose the Saints if they move to SA, but if it hurts the Spurs I'd rather they fuck off is all.

Then you must be stupid because that was my point.

[TheWriter]

Every sunday night channel 11 does an hour show on news and happenings in the state and around us. Most of the show was about the Saints maybe moving and how ignorant Houston Nutt is.

Do I believe the Spurs will take a hit, no, if they do it will be a very small one.

[samikeyp]

I think the city can adequately support both.

[Brutalis]

Then you must be stupid because that was my point.
Sorry, ignoring your posts from now on. One line replies acting like some cocky lakers fan gets you no where.

[Marcus Bryant]

Oh no. Next time, try to comprehend before you flame someone who was agreeing with you.

[TheWriter]

I think the city can adequately support both.

What?

Get ready to feel the wrath of Dipshit McGee.

[Brutalis]

Do I believe the Spurs will take a hit, no, if they do it will be a very small one.
I dunno. How often do you see 2 successful teams playing in the same city?

And if the Saints do move, both teams with be SAS too. Odd how the San Antonio Saints sound good too.

I think Bush planned all of this back in the early 90s. :lol

[TheWriter]

I dunno. How often do you see 2 successful teams playing in the same city?

Successful in what sense? Do you mean record wise or finanically?

[Brutalis]

That or just reply like a normal person.

[Brutalis]

Successful in what sense? Do you mean record wise? Or finanically?
Financially? Aheh...

I meant record wise, titles... respect........... so on.

[TheWriter]

I meant record wise, titles... respect........... so on.

I don't see how the Saints would affect the Spurs in terms of performance and vice versa.

[j-6]

The attendance dropoff was 19,791 in 96-97 to 17,235 in 97-98, around 2500 a game.

http://basketballreference.com/teams/teamatt.htm?tm=sas&lg=n

[TheWriter]

The attendance dropoff was 19,791 in 96-97 to 17,235 in 97-98, around 2500 a game.

http://basketballreference.com/teams/teamatt.htm?tm=sas&lg=n

Huge drop off... :rolleyes

[Marcus Bryant]

Attendance in the 1996-97 season dropped off markedly after it was clear the Spurs were lottery bound. Games in March and April featured blue seat after blue seat in the 'dome. The Spurs' attendance dropped by 100,000 from the season prior (source (http://basketballreference.com/teams/teamatt.htm?tm=SAS&lg=n)).

One could only imagine what the attendance figures would be like after a few seasons of lottery basketball and with season ticket holders given the opportunity to not renew.

[Brutalis]

I don't see how the Saints would affect the Spurs in terms of performance and vice versa.

Well it doesnt. But the timeline shows that very rarely does both teams in one city do well. Usually its one shitty and one good team for a decade, and they switch off or something.

I guess I'm just overly concerned about what the Spurs get out of this.

[TheWriter]

http://www.basketballreference.com/teams/teamatt.htm?tm=chi&lg=n

Chicago can't support pro sports.

Drop offs for a losing team... how could they.

[TheWriter]

Attendance in the 1996-97 season dropped off markedly after it was clear the Spurs were lottery bound. Games in March and April featured blue seat after blue seat in the 'dome. The Spurs' attendance dropped by 100,000 from the season prior (source (http://basketballreference.com/teams/teamatt.htm?tm=SAS&lg=n)).

One could only imagine what the attendance figures would be like after a few seasons of lottery basketball and with season ticket holders given the opportunity to not renew.

Why don't you examin every basketball teams attendance when going from good to lottery bound.

They ALL DROP OFF.

[TheWriter]

Well it doesnt. But the timeline shows that very rarely does both teams in one city do well. Usually its one shitty and one good team for a decade, and they switch off or something.

I guess I'm just overly concerned about what the Spurs get out of this.

That's because only one team from 32 can win a super bowl.

Only one team from 30 can win a title.

The odds are never good for two pro teams in the same city winning a title.

However, that won't cause the Spurs to start sucking.

[Brutalis]

That's because only one team from 32 can win a super bowl.

Only one team from 30 can win a title.

The odds are never good for two pro teams in the same city winning a title.

However, that won't cause the Spurs to start sucking.
I didnt mean a title per say, but you got the point.

[TheWriter]

Chicago

Jordan's last season: 23,988

The next year: 22,400

Four seasons later: 19,736

[TheWriter]

I didnt mean a title per say, but you got the point.

There's plenty of cities that have both a NBA and NFL team in the playoffs.

[j-6]

I'd think realistically that with a competing product in town that overlaps seasons to a degree, the Spurs could expect a little less than double the hit: around 4200-5000 less fans a game depending on who the opponent is.

That's what happened in Atlanta right when the Falcons started improving and went to the Super Bowl, and the Hawks went from a 50 win team to the dog house. Sorry for the use of the ATL, but it's tough to try this with LA (no NFL), Chicago (more people and only one decent NFL year in the last eight or so), and Detroit (crappy NFL squad).

Not the most accurate gauge, but it what I got.

[Shiner Bock Girl]

This will not hurt the Spurs.

Also, the NFL season is over by the time the real NBA season starts (after the All-Star break).

I agree, and when Saints do get their act together and start being a real winning team, i would think that would make SA look pretty damn good to have a goal of owing 2 winning teams where it was said SA could not support an NBA team as well as an NFL......SA loves challenges

[TheWriter]

I'd think realistically that with a competing product in town that overlaps seasons to a degree, the Spurs could expect a little less than double the hit: around 4200-5000 less fans a game depending on who the opponent is.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Just love throwing numbers out your ass, huh?



That's what happened in Atlanta right when the Falcons started improving and went to the Super Bowl,

Atalnta is a city full of nothing but transplants. They could care less about pro sports.

[j-6]

Huge drop off... :rolleyes


I'm not even trying to be a prick here, but 2500 is a shitload of seats. That's over 100K less fans in attendance over a full regular season. Brutalis has every right to be wary of this.

[TheWriter]

I'm not even trying to be a prick here, but 2500 is a shitload of seats. That's over 100K less fans in attendance over a full regular season. Brutalis has every right to be wary of this.

Chicago Bulls:

2001: 21,674
2002: 18,934

A total of 2740.

Drop off for lottery teams isn't an uncommon thing in sports.

[j-6]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Just love throwing numbers out your ass, huh?




Atalnta is a city full of nothing but transplants. They could care less about pro sports.

What's your take then, Councilman? At least I prefaced my reply saying it was a guess. And here's what I used for reference.

http://www.kenn.com/sports/

http://basketballreference.com/

[TheWriter]

What's your take then, Councilman? At least I prefaced my reply saying it was a guess. And here's what I used for reference.

http://www.kenn.com/sports/

http://basketballreference.com/

Where is your source that says 4,000 less will attend Spurs games.

Exactly, you're pulling numbers out your ass.

[j-6]

Chicago Bulls:

2001: 21,674
2002: 18,934

A total of 2740.

Drop for lottery teams isn't an uncommon thing in sports.

Ya think? :rolleyes

Why don't you look and see that the Bulls were 17 - 65 in 99-00, 15 - 67 in 00-01, and 21 - 61 in 01-02, then? Lottery all three seasons.

[TheWriter]

Do I even have to post this:

http://www.kenn.com/sports/basketball/nba/nba_hou_attendance.html

[j-6]

Do I even have to post this:

http://www.kenn.com/sports/basketball/nba/nba_hou_attendance.html

If you're implying that the Rockets attendance has increased by 1800+ since the Texans started play, I'd like to remind you that they moved into the larger capacity (16,285 to 18,300) Toyota Center at the beginning of the 2003 season, right when that increase started.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Why would it feel a pinch?

The freakin' football season is over before the all-star game.

Because people only have so much disposable income.

You think 2500 people a game wouldn't be a big deal?

2500 people x 41 home games = over the course of a season.
102500 empty seats x (at a minimum) $8 seats = minimum $820,000/yr loss

In all actually, you're talking about on average a $30 ticket in the SBC,

so 102500 x 30 = 3.1 million.

And that's not factoring in concessions, parking, and merchandising.

The real kicker though will be the corporate sponsorship, which is where the Spurs cash in on group ticket sales and luxury boxes

Just because TheWriter has moved on from bridges and southside highways to something that could potentially boot the Spurs out of San Antonio doesn't mean the numbers change.

For perspective, floor seats for the Saints @ $110.

$110 x 8 = $880.

Nosebleed seats for the Spurs this year, season ticket package of 45 games (regular season + exhibition), at the $20 level, comes out to $915.75 (per season ticket information I have in my possession).

So right there, for $30 cheaper, you went from nosebleed seats at the SBC to lower level field level seating at the Alamodome (using this year's prices as a model).

And you think that won't impact things? Keep dreaming.

[TheWriter]

If you're implying that the Rockets attendance has increased by 1800+ since the Texans started play, I'd like to remind you that they moved into the larger capacity (16,285 to 18,300) Toyota Center at the beginning of the 2003 season, right when that increase started.

The gain occured in the 2002-2003 season, the Rocket's arena didn't open until the following season.

Wrong again.

[John T]

Is it possible that it will adversely affect them? Sure, I don't think we can completely discount that. But I don't think we can make such a strong comparison between the early 90s and now. There are a lot less available tickets now (18,797), and the population has grown. With so many games selling out it's possible that those people that decide to go to NFL games instead of NBA games will be replaced by NBA fans that weren't previously able to get tickets. I also think that if the attendance is going to drop because the team becomes a lottery-type team, it'll drop regardless if there's an NFL franchise in town. I didn't move here until 99 so I may be wrong, but I would think that the fan base is stronger now because of the championships. It's not like we're looking to support two NBA teams.


Carie

[TheWriter]

Because people only have so much disposable income.

You think 2500 people a game wouldn't be a big deal?

2500 people x 41 home games = over the course of a season.
102500 empty seats x (at a minimum) $8 seats = minimum $820,000/yr loss

In all actually, you're talking about on average a $30 ticket in the SBC,

so 102500 x 30 = 3.1 million.

And that's not factoring in concessions, parking, and merchandising.

The real kicker though will be the corporate sponsorship, which is where the Spurs cash in on group ticket sales and luxury boxes

Just because TheWriter has moved on from bridges and southside highways to something that could potentially boot the Spurs out of San Antonio doesn't mean the numbers change.

For perspective, floor seats for the Saints @ $110.

$110 x 8 = $880.

Nosebleed seats for the Spurs this year, season ticket package of 45 games (regular season + exhibition), at the $20 level, comes out to $915.75 (per season ticket information I have in my possession).

So right there, for $30 cheaper, you went from nosebleed seats at the SBC to lower level field level seating at the Alamodome (using this year's prices as a model).

And you think that won't impact things? Keep dreaming.

All that writing and no point.
:pctoss

[j-6]

The gain occured in the 2002-2003 season, the Rocket's arena didn't open until the following season.

Wrong again.


The Toyota Center opened October 6th, 2003.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Center

Last game in Compaq was April 16th, 2003.
http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/Turn_Out_The_Lights-72782-34.html

:D

[TheWriter]

The Toyota Center opened October 6th, 2003.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Center

Last game in Compaq was April 16th, 2003.
http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/Turn_Out_The_Lights-72782-34.html

:D

I stand corrected. I was thinking 2003 was the year the Spurs opened the SBC but it was 2002.

We won the title our first year and its the 2003 championship so I always think 2003.

[TheWriter]

Point re-made.

http://www.kenn.com/sports/basketball/nba/nba_nor_attendance.html

Should be correct.

[j-6]

All that writing and no point.
:pctoss


All bullshit and name-calling aside, what about AHF's post do you disagree with?

[TheWriter]

All bullshit and name-calling aside, what about AHF's post do you disagree with?

Where does he get his numbers?

He's using the numbers for an Alamodome crowd that was going through a 'lottery bound" season.

Every NBA team takes an attendance dip when going through a lottery year.

That doesn't prove any point to the fact that you threw out 4,000 less a game at Spurs games if the Saints relocate here.

That's why I said what I did.

[NINERS4LIFE]

WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT NUMBERS!!!

BRING THEM HERE AND YOU'LL SEE HOW WE WILL PACK THE HOUSE EVERY SUNDAY!!!!!!

AND BY THE WAY, All you HATERS can STAY HOME!!!!!

[j-6]

The point I was trying to make is that the drop in Spurs attendance the next time they are shitty/lottery bound with a competing major league franchise in town will drop more significantly than if the NBA was the only game in town. As far as my 4,000 number goes, that was a guess and I stated as much, based on the 2500 drop minus 10% of arena capacity. 4300-4500 seemed a little high for a franchise with the traditional following the Spurs have as opposed to the Hawks, so I chopped some off for loyalty. Sue me.

(If you want to ride my jock over that, I can start throwing N-sync/city planning smack as well.)

[Marcus Bryant]

Where does he get his numbers?



:lol Oh, so now sources are important....

[TheWriter]

The point I was trying to make is that the drop in Spurs attendance the next time they are shitty/lottery bound with a competing major league franchise in town will drop more significantly than if the NBA was the only game in town.

A drop in tickets would happen anyway with a lottery bound Spurs team.

It'll happen to every NBA team.

And like any other NBA team, when the team gets better, ticket sales go up.

[j-6]

A drop in tickets would happen anyway with a lottery bound Spurs team.

It'll happen to every NBA team.

And like any other NBA team, when the team gets better, ticket sales go up.

And you don't think any lukewarm Spurs fan suffering through a lottery-bound season would choose instead to drop their discretionary income on a contending NFL team?

[TheWriter]

:lol Oh, so now sources are important....

Only to you my friend.

And that was rhetorical, I wasn't being you, all serious about serious or series of numbers or whatever it is you ask for.

[TheWriter]

And you don't think any lukewarm Spurs fan suffering through a lottery-bound season would choose instead to drop their discretionary income on a contending NFL team?

Maybe during the NFL season, but like I've said before, the NFL seaosn ends before the All-Star game begins.

[Marcus Bryant]

The point I was trying to make is that the drop in Spurs attendance the next time they are shitty/lottery bound with a competing major league franchise in town will drop more significantly than if the NBA was the only game in town. As far as my 4,000 number goes, that was a guess and I stated as much, based on the 2500 drop minus 10% of arena capacity. 4300-4500 seemed a little high for a franchise with the traditional following the Spurs have as opposed to the Hawks, so I chopped some off for loyalty. Sue me.

(If you want to ride my jock over that, I can start throwing N-sync/city planning smack as well.)


Once you account for multiple seasons of lottery basketball and the reaction of season ticket holders to that it's not hard to see the Spurs' attendance dropping markedly.

Add to that a NFL team offering season tickets.

Season overlap doesn't matter. What matters is the fact that most people have limited budgets. Only in crackhead's world is spending on the Spurs going to stay constant if not grow while sellout crowds fill the Alamodome for every Saints game.

[j-6]

Maybe during the NFL season, but like I've said before, the NFL seaosn ends before the All-Star game begins.

The NFL regular season ends right around New Years, or when roughly 35-40% of the NBA season is completed. Which is good for your argument, and good for our hypothetical lottery-bound Spurs in this situation.

[Marcus Bryant]

Maybe during the NFL season, but like I've said before, the NFL seaosn ends before the All-Star game begins.

:lol

Are you dense or just selectively so?

[TheWriter]

What matters is the fact that most people have limited budgets.

And according to you and your survey crew, San Antonio is 99.8 percent all poor people, huh?


Only in crackhead's world

Oh, my stalker gave me a nickname. I think I'm going to tear up.


is spending on the Spurs going to stay constant if not grow while sellout crowds fill the Alamodome for every Saints game.

With a lottery bound Surs team, of course ticket sales will drop. But sorry, I'm not cynical enough to say it'll be a super duper drop.

[TheWriter]

:lol

Are you dense or just selectively so?

I don't know. Are you gay or do you just love following me around?

The male version of Single White Female seems to be playing out on SpursTalk.com

[Marcus Bryant]

Chicago Bulls:

2001: 21,674
2002: 18,934

A total of 2740.

Drop off for lottery teams isn't an uncommon thing in sports.


That's in a city with a metro population of 8+ million.

[Marcus Bryant]

Is Buddy Holly/TheWriter capable of intelligently discussing any topic? Apparently not.

[j-6]

I will say this. I am very curious how the city would support a perennial doormat like the Saints when us fans have been spoiled for so long with winning teams put out by the Spurs.

And I'm not talking about 2006, when there's still some novelty to it. I'm talking about the next time the Cowboys put together a juggernaut and Dallas is blacked out in favor of a 2-5 Saints team. Will there be enough converts that this won't matter? Or do me and MB need to go buy a DirecTV distributorship?

[TheWriter]

Is Buddy Holly/TheWriter capable of intelligently discussing any topic? Apparently not.

Well us "crackheads" aren't on your level intelligence wise.

[TheWriter]

I will say this. I am very curious how the city would support a perennial doormat like the Saints when us fans have been spoiled for so long with winning teams put out by the Spurs.

Probably the same way the city did for the Spurs prior to 1999.

[j-6]

Probably the same way the city did for the Spurs prior to 1999.

I think you'd have to go back to the mid-to-late 80's, before D-Rob finished his service and came to town. And what was the population difference since then? I know I'm asking the right person.

[Marcus Bryant]

I will say this. I am very curious how the city would support a perennial doormat like the Saints when us fans have been spoiled for so long with winning teams put out by the Spurs.


Indeed. I think that the Spurs would be hurt worse by mediocrity than the Saints. When given a choice between equally shitty teams, I suspect people will go with the sport they love. Basketball isn't #1 in South Texas.

The Spurs benefitted in down years by being the only game in town. Once that changes and people have the option of 8 NFL games a year on the weekends versus 41 games with a majority on the weeknights, it's not hard to see a lottery bound Spurs team struggling mightily.




And I'm not talking about 2006, when there's still some novelty to it. I'm talking about the next time the Cowboys put together a juggernaut and Dallas is blacked out in favor of a 2-5 Saints team. Will there be enough converts that this won't matter? Or do me and MB need to go buy a DirecTV distributorship?

I'm going with the latter.

[j-6]

With football, you know you have the same three teams coming into town every season for 3/8ths of your home games - in the Saints case, Tampa Bay, Carolina, and Atlanta. Unless of course they realign divisions for some reason.

Luckily in recent years, that means two recent Super Bowl qualifiers and maybe the most popular player in the league.

[Marcus Bryant]

This says it all.



season tot attend avg attend
1992-93 658,337 16,057
1991-92 658,337 16,057
1990-91 651,965 15,902
1989-90 603,660 14,723
1988-89 459,514 11,208
1987-88 346,960 8,462
1986-87 328,368 8,009
1985-86 336,407 8,205
1984-85 364,398 8,888
1983-84 375,900 9,168
1982-83 397,489 9,695

source (http://basketballreference.com/teams/teamatt.htm?tm=sas&lg=n)

This gives you the before and after effect of having a winning Spurs team in SA versus a losing one in the same facility. No, the population did not double during that time.

SA loves a winner. But if you aren't winning, you're gone.

And of note is that was over multiple seasons. When season ticket holders are given an opportunity to adjust, then attendance drops markedly for shitty teams.

[TheWriter]

Oh god, you need a woman badly.

Using stats from the last 80's!!

LOLOLOLOLOL

A time in which people predicted 40% of the population would be under the poverity line by 2010. The city was very poor back then.

But forget that for a moment, look at llosing teams attendance record, you'll see tons of slumps until the team starts winning.

Get a life poser.

[Marcus Bryant]

I need a woman? You're the one lusting over the city of San Antonio.

Predictable that you can't offer an analysis of the stats, only more and more namecalling and other empty bluster.

[TheWriter]

I need a woman? You're the one lusting over the city of San Antonio.

Yeah, I wonder if it puts out?


Predictable that you can't offer an analysis of the stats, only more and more namecalling and other empty bluster.

What stats stalker?

The ones that show a slump in ticket sales during a lottery bound season?

Get a fucking life poser.

[Rescueone]

What would be awfuly scary will be the first time that the Spurs are shitty and the NFL franchise is championship caliber if the Saints move there. What will those two bandwagons look like?

Let's ask fans from Tampa that question.

[Marcus Bryant]

A "poser" is one who attempts to pass someone else's pics as his own on a NSYNC fan forum.

Talk all the shit you want, you're the fucking chode around here.

[Rescueone]

I will say this. I am very curious how the city would support a perennial doormat like the Saints when us fans have been spoiled for so long with winning teams put out by the Spurs.

And I'm not talking about 2006, when there's still some novelty to it. I'm talking about the next time the Cowboys put together a juggernaut and Dallas is blacked out in favor of a 2-5 Saints team. Will there be enough converts that this won't matter? Or do me and MB need to go buy a DirecTV distributorship?

If this happens, I can see the NFL placing the Saints in the AFC, and moving Jacksonville to the NFC. Therefore, perserving the 22-25 ratings the Cowboys pull in San Antonio, and gaining viewership here with the Saints in the AFC.

[scott]

I can tell you that if the Saints move here I will go from somewhat ignoring the Spurs to completely ignoring them until about Valentine's Day (and then completely ignoring them again for the entire month of April for the draft), even if the Saints go 0-16.

...but, I'm just someone who values football about 439204392 times more than I value basketball.

[TheWriter]

A "poser" is one who attempts to pass someone else's pics as his own on a NSYNC fan forum.

Talk all the shit you want, you're the fucking chode around here.


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[Mr. Ash]

After three pages of this drivel, I'm fully convinced that Buddy and Marcus are married.

[TheWriter]

After three pages of this drivel, I'm fully convinced that Buddy and Marcus are married.

With the way Marcus is always following me, I would be surprised if the guy had a man crush on me... eh. :pctoss