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Nbadan
10-19-2005, 03:17 AM
'Rule of Law'? That's So '90s
By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Tuesday, October 18, 2005; Page A25


We are on the verge of an extraordinary moment in American politics. The people running our government are about to face their day -- or days -- in court.

Those who thought investigations were a wonderful thing when Bill Clinton was president are suddenly facing prosecutors, and they don't like it. It seems like a hundred years ago when Clinton's defenders were accusing his opponents of using special prosecutors, lawsuits, criminal charges and, ultimately, impeachment to overturn the will of the voters.

Clinton's conservative enemies would have none of this. No, they said over and over, the Clinton mess was not about sex but about "perjury and the obstruction of justice" and "the rule of law."

The old conservative talking points are now inoperative.

It's especially amusing to see former House majority leader Tom DeLay complain about the politicization of justice. The man who spoke of the Clinton impeachment as "a debate about relativism versus absolute truth" now insists that the Democratic prosecutor in Texas who indicted him on charges of violating campaign finance law is engaged in a partisan war. That's precisely what Clinton's defenders accused DeLay of championing in the impeachment battle seven years ago.

DeLay's supporters say charges that he transferred corporate money illegally to local Texas campaigns should be discounted because "everybody does it" when it comes to playing fast and loose with political cash. That's another defense the champions of impeachment derided in the Clinton imbroglio.

The most explosive legal case -- if special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald brings charges, and lawyers I've spoken with will be surprised if he doesn't -- involves Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, and President Bush's top political adviser, Karl Rove. A lot of evidence has emerged that they leaked information about Valerie Plame, a CIA employee married to Joseph Wilson, a former ambassador who had the nerve to question aspects of the administration's case for waging war on Saddam Hussein. Even if these administration heavies are not charged with improperly unmasking Plame, they could be in legal jeopardy if they are found to have made false statements to investigators about their role in the Plame affair.

This case goes to the heart of how Republicans recaptured power after the Clinton presidency and how they have held on to it since. The strategy involved attacking their adversaries without pity. In the Clinton years, the attacks married a legal strategy to a political strategy.

Since Bush took office, many of those who raised their voices in opposition to the president or his policies have found themselves under assault, although the president himself has maintained a careful distance from the bloodletting.

In Wilson's case, the administration suggested that his hiring by the CIA to investigate claims that Hussein was trying to acquire nuclear material was an act of nepotism, courtesy of his wife. But administration figures wanted to wipe their fingerprints off any smoking gun that would link them to the anti-Wilson campaign. Judith Miller, a New York Times reporter who went to jail to protect Libby until she got what she took to be a release from a confidentiality agreement, offered a revealing fact in an account of her saga in Sunday's Times.

Before he trashed Wilson to Miller in a July 8, 2003, meeting, Libby asked that his comments not be attributed to a "senior administration official," the standard anonymous reference to, well, senior administration officials. Instead, he wanted his statements attributed to a "former Hill staffer," a reference to Libby's earlier work in Congress. Why would Libby want his comments ascribed to such a vague source? Miller says she told the special prosecutor that she "assumed Mr. Libby did not want the White House to be seen as attacking Mr. Wilson."

These cases portray an administration and a movement that can dish it out, but want to evade responsibility for doing so and can't take it when they are subjected to the same rule book that inconvenienced an earlier president. An editorial in the latest issue of the conservative Weekly Standard is a sign of arguments to come. The editorial complains about the various accusations being leveled against DeLay, Libby, Rove and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, and it says that "a comprehensive strategy of criminalization had been implemented to inflict defeat on conservatives who seek to govern as conservatives."

I have great respect for my friends at the Weekly Standard, so I think they'll understand my surprise and wonder over this new conservative concern for the criminalization of politics. A process that was about "the rule of law" when Democrats were in power is suddenly an outrage now that it's Republicans who are being held accountable.

Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/17/AR2005101701165.html)

Marcus Bryant
10-19-2005, 07:39 AM
What a man-bitch. Bush has been the subject of a relentless campaign by his political opponents while in office just as Clinton was when he was in office and Bush41 and Reagan and Carter before them.

It is politics.

xrayzebra
10-19-2005, 09:30 AM
What a man-bitch. Bush has been the subject of a relentless campaign by his political opponents while in office just as Clinton was when he was in office and Bush41 and Reagan and Carter before them.

It is politics.

Unfortunately you are correct, seems it has been that way since Nixon administration. Recent admissions in that instance where a mad FBI agent gave up all the information to some so-called investigative reporters. Come to find out they just copied his and the FBI's work. Before Nixon there wasn't that much grousing between the parties. Once an election was over they all worked together. You know at one time, the person running against the winner in a presidential election was normally appointed to the post of Secretary of State.

boutons
10-19-2005, 10:37 AM
"relentless campaign by his political opponents"

It's been completely clear sailing, blue skies, until now.

Marcus Bryant
10-19-2005, 11:19 AM
How long have you been reading this forum?

:spin

boutons
10-19-2005, 11:44 AM
There's huge difference between citizens expressing dissent,
and special prosecutors, impeachment.

RandomGuy
12-10-2005, 07:59 PM
I love the irony.

The very people who formed the "hate Clinton" crowd and hounded him the whole time he was in office cry foul when the same happens to their guy. Freakin' wah.

gtownspur
12-11-2005, 01:50 AM
I love the irony.

The very people who formed the "hate Clinton" crowd and hounded him the whole time he was in office cry foul when the same happens to their guy. Freakin' wah.

What irony,

Tom Delay has gone through 5 grand juries, his actions were legal when he committed them, and all the juries found him innocent. Ronnie Earle then had to assemble a last minute jury, who were already decided against Tom DElay.
If you want to start talking rule of law and ethics, you should look no further than yourself for knowing all this and acting like TOm Delay is already guilty and that he was tried fairly. The judge who was gonna take part of the conviction contributed to Moveon.org, imagine if the federal judge judging CLinton donated to the Christian Coalition, man we would of never heard the end of it from NBaDan.

What i learned from you random guy is that you are just like the people you despise. You believe any left wing garbage journalism, even when the facts have been presented on this forum,(like the time one of the TOm delay jurist blurted out the fact that he thought Tom Delay already guity before the hearing).

And i want you to defend the reason why Valerie is a covert agent. As far as anyone knows, desk jockies are not active in the feild. Valerie plame was well known already amongst the journalistic community, and she was in no danger. The person who wrote the legislation for the outing of Covert agents, said that no law had been broken.

You have said numerouse times of how Bush has lied, but you can't prove it. If he lied, then he had to make up the info. But he was just the president and he wasn't the lay people who made up the intelligence. If he lied prove it. The bi partisan Robb Silbermann Report allready exonerated the administration.

face it man. You are partisan, and you might aswell stop wasting your time and buy xm radio so that you could iv air america to yourself.

Nbadan
12-11-2005, 03:43 AM
Tom Delay has gone through 5 grand juries, his actions were legal when he committed them, and all the juries found him innocent

What Planet are you on? Far as i Know, Tom Delay faced 3 grand juries and was indicted by 2. The third, of course, being the more serious money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering charges. 2 charges, 1 indictment.

Nbadan
12-11-2005, 03:52 AM
The judge who was gonna take part of the conviction contributed to Moveon.org, imagine if the federal judge judging CLinton donated to the Christian Coalition, man we would of never heard the end of it from NBaDan.

If Tom Delay were truely innocent, then why did he have to fear any Judge at all, regardless of political affiliation? Can you or I do the same thing if we didn't want to be Judged by...oh, lets say, a Christian, or maybe..eekkk... a domininist? This Judge shopping started by Tom Delay opens up a very interesting pandora's box.