NBA Trade Deadline 2018

[objective]

Can't find it, but am pretty sure Lowe tweeted it after Spurs re-signed Mills. He also called it a good deal for Spurs.

Guessing they saw him as someone who could set the tone for the type of culture they want to have, an ideal mentor for Russell and someone who can play some alongside of him, too. Lin likely would have become trade fodder.

Lowe did call it a good deal or something similar, but that's because like the rest of the media he's months and years behind on having a clue with the Spurs.

These guys all praised the Parker extension (especially Simmons) when it was obvious the Spurs would be better off letting him expire. The smart people on this board could see Parker falling apart and what a dumb deal that was. I was so thrilled at the prospect of being able to let Parker walk.

But that's how it is with those guys. They watch the Spurs, but they don't see.

[objective]

Pop's move:
cut Brandon Paul and sign Hilliard for the rest of the season...

actually I have no idea about these two... but that is pretty much what I expect... either something minor like that or nothing.

It wouldn't surprise me, but it would be a dumb move.

Not because Paul is anything great, but because Hilliard isn't any better. Cut Paul and sign a big.

[SAGirl]

It wouldn't surprise me, but it would be a dumb move.

Not because Paul is anything great, but because Hilliard isn't any better. Cut Paul and sign a big.
I agree with you, and several other perspectives you have posted... and yet we see Pop call up Hilliard from the gleague and benching let's say Kyle for him.. but he's not meantime calling a gleague big from anywhere, or calling up Costello... and he's praising Hilliard a lot too... so really I have no idea what's going on there.

I don't see them feeling any pressure getting a real rim protector. Perhaps it's bc it would mean Pau losing minutes and they don't want to do that.

[Raven]

Nets wanted Mills last off season, Hornets want to cut salary, Spurs desperately need a starting PG / third star to not only contend, but possibly to get Leonard to extend too . . .

To Nets: Mills
To Hornets: Lin, Gay, Murray, Bertans, 1st
To Spurs: Walker, Williams

Would leave Spurs with enough breathing room under the tax to sign a big for the prorated minimum and duck the tax.


good lord

[Ice009]

Kyle has disappointed me. I loved the way he started playing in the playoffs last year. He was taking open shots. I was shocked that he started doing that in the playoffs after passing them up for most of the regular season, but he's now gone back to passing up shots.

Too many players on this team are scared to shoot. They fuck up the offense by passing up shots and on top of that, they don't have anyone who can consistently break down the defense and get to the rim. Too many stupid passes around the perimeter to guys that won't or don't want to shoot the ball. Manu is trying to get to the rim, but they don't have much else.

The freaking offense is terrible.

[gambit1990]

spurs should be pitching la + whatever CLE wants besides kawhi for lebron.

la, murray, tony, draft picks for lebron and jr smith to make it more fair. spurs buy out jr.

[SAGirl]

Kyle has disappointed me. I loved the way he started playing in the playoffs last year. He was taking open shots. I was shocked that he started doing that in the playoffs after passing them up for most of the regular season, but he's now gone back to passing up shots.

Too many players on this team are scared to shoot. They fuck up the offense by passing up shots and on top of that, they don't have anyone who can consistently break down the defense and get to the rim. Too many stupid passes around the perimeter to guys that won't or don't want to shoot the ball. Manu is trying to get to the rim, but they don't have much else.

The freaking offense is terrible.
He had 1 bad play... he passed up one shot that ended on a TO for him. When he passed up on that shot, he was guarded by Jerebko who is a true big close to 7 feet tall and the man was within 3 feet of him. He was passed the ball by Mills in a spot where he wasn't open and he didn't have a path to the basket, basically no lane. He was put in tough spot. He could have chucked up a contested shot that would have been a miss and the result basically the same, it would just not look as bad. He got benched for the rest of the game from that point, but in reality could have played more. He did some good things in the game... just that moment stands out. Hopefully he learns from it, better to chuck up a contested shot like a prayer than to pass up on the jumper if no one is open (and he wasn't)... it is what it is. Game wasn't lost on that play.

[bklynspursfan]

spurs should be pitching la + whatever CLE wants besides kawhi for lebron.

la, murray, tony, draft picks for lebron and jr smith to make it more fair. spurs buy out jr.

Considering they likely tried that for Irving, doubtful they'll be able to get LeBron with a similar package.

[Hoops Czar]

Considering they likely tried that for Irving, doubtful they'll be able to get LeBron with a similar package.

Lebron already said he's not waving his no trade clause so any trades involving him should be disregarded immediately.

[Ice009]

He had 1 bad play... he passed up one shot that ended on a TO for him. When he passed up on that shot, he was guarded by Jerebko who is a true big close to 7 feet tall and the man was within 3 feet of him. He was passed the ball by Mills in a spot where he wasn't open and he didn't have a path to the basket, basically no lane. He was put in tough spot. He could have chucked up a contested shot that would have been a miss and the result basically the same, it would just not look as bad. He got benched for the rest of the game from that point, but in reality could have played more. He did some good things in the game... just that moment stands out. Hopefully he learns from it, better to chuck up a contested shot like a prayer than to pass up on the jumper if no one is open (and he wasn't)... it is what it is. Game wasn't lost on that play.

I'm talking about the majority of the season. He's just not a willing shooter. Davis is the opposite, he shoots too many bad shots.


Lebron already said he's not waving his no trade clause so any trades involving him should be disregarded immediately.

What does that mean? He won't accept a trade to anyone? Not even the Warriors or Rockets?

[Hoops Czar]

What does that mean? He won't accept a trade to anyone? Not even the Warriors or Rockets?
Correct. He said he'll re-evaluate his position in the offseason but his top priority is to win another NBA championship with the Cavs. He won't allow the Cavs to trade him even if they wanted to.

[Ice009]

OK, cool. Thanks for the explanation. I figured he would accept one if they traded him to a team he wanted to go to, and also if that team didn't give up many assets to get him, I thought he might be open to a trade. The Cavs are screwed. If he walks, they likely get nothing. What a terrible spot for them to be in. Losing both Kyrie and and possibly Lebron in a one year window, I don't know how far back that would put them.

[ceds]

OK, cool. Thanks for the explanation. I figured he would accept one if they traded him to a team he wanted to go to, and also if that team didn't give up many assets to get him, I thought he might be open to a trade. The Cavs are screwed. If he walks, they likely get nothing. What a terrible spot for them to be in. Losing both Kyrie and and possibly Lebron in a one year window, I don't know how far back that would put them.

you are right......The king can accept/force a trade if it's to a team he wants to go to.

[BatManu20]

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[Phenomanul]

He had 1 bad play... he passed up one shot that ended on a TO for him. When he passed up on that shot, he was guarded by Jerebko who is a true big close to 7 feet tall and the man was within 3 feet of him. He was passed the ball by Mills in a spot where he wasn't open and he didn't have a path to the basket, basically no lane. He was put in tough spot. He could have chucked up a contested shot that would have been a miss and the result basically the same, it would just not look as bad. He got benched for the rest of the game from that point, but in reality could have played more. He did some good things in the game... just that moment stands out. Hopefully he learns from it, better to chuck up a contested shot like a prayer than to pass up on the jumper if no one is open (and he wasn't)... it is what it is. Game wasn't lost on that play.

On the play right before the one you described, Kyle passed up an open look near the end of the shot clock and passed it off last second to someone (can't remember if it was Mills or Forbes) who basically shot up a prayer. So that play didn't register as a TO but essentially Kyle's unwillingness to shoot (on two different scenarios) led to two empty possessions.

The permanent benching I thought may have been too much.

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[mo7888]

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I think that's a BIG deal right now. It's why teams like Orlando have made Gordon available. They don't want to pay the money to keep him. I believe there are a few deadline deals that can be made by a GM with a little creativity to really shake things up this year.

[venitian navigator]

If I am Gilbert, I'm trading LBJ now to Phila for draft picks...and if I'm Phila I immediattely accept the trade so instantly becoming a contender. It makes sense for both teams, considering Cleveland sans LBJ (taht's gonna happen next year) is out of play offs and that Phila has the assets and just need the third star (with Embid and Simmons) to became competitor for th title...

[mo7888]

If I am Gilbert, I'm trading LBJ now to Phila for draft picks...and if I'm Phila I immediattely accept the trade so instantly becoming a contender. It makes sense for both teams, considering Cleveland sans LBJ (taht's gonna happen next year) is out of play offs and that Phila has the assets and just need the third star (with Embid and Simmons) to became competitor for th title...

He can't trade LBJ. He has a no trade clause that he has said he will not waive.

[Ice009]

This is why some of us here didn't want to overpay for crappy players. How in the F did the Spurs FO screw this up? They're normally the ones that don't overspend on marginal talent.

[SAGirl]

On the play right before the one you described, Kyle passed up an open look near the end of the shot clock and passed it off last second to someone (can't remember if it was Mills or Forbes) who basically shot up a prayer. So that play didn't register as a TO but essentially Kyle's unwillingness to shoot (on two different scenarios) led to two empty possessions.

The permanent benching I thought may have been too much.
I missed the play you mentioned. Thanks for bringing it up. I have no problem with teaching guys lessons but I think you’d have to be consistent.

I also didn’t like that he got benched in the 2nd Q after he fouled I think it was Rubio. It was his only foul on 20 minutes of play, he had picked up Rubio in transition bc Tony did not (no surprise right?), he prevented a layup and ended up uncharacteristically biting on a pump fake. Not even that much but just enough to give that foul. Meantime Pop was allowing Firbes, Dejounte, Manu, Danny, Tony, a whole lot of perimeter players to be fouling left and right without a short hook. It’s a double standard. Pop ought to be that strict with everyone else.

[SAGirl]

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Sucks for the guys who are due to get paid this summer. Meantime there are so many overpriced roleplayers...

It also makes me think Spurs are keeping Mills and Gasol or at least find it very difficult to trade those contracts. It will cost picks.

Spurstalk will end up being disappointed this summer IMO.

[r0drig0lac]

This is why some of us here didn't want to overpay for crappy players. How in the F did the Spurs FO screw this up? They're normally the ones that don't overspend on marginal talent.
good question

[SAGirl]

This is why some of us here didn't want to overpay for crappy players. How in the F did the Spurs FO screw this up? They're normally the ones that don't overspend on marginal talent.
Starting to think they didn’t think they could do better or they overvalued “culture”.

[venitian navigator]

He can't trade LBJ. He has a no trade clause that he has said he will not waive.

If I am James, I accept that trade with open arms...he instantly pass from a non condender team to a contender team...and that's all he could be interested about.

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[SAGirl]

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Boston is fucking crazy. They don’t want to pay Smart but want a pick so someone else pays him. Ainge trying to shark others

[Budkin]

PATFO gonna stand PAT

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[Leetonidas]

Willy Hernangomez has requested a trade from NY. Spurs rumored to be interested in him. I think he has a lot of potential. Can't believe the Knicks aren't giving him minutes after a solid rookie year

[SAGirl]

Willy Hernangomez has requested a trade from NY. Spurs rumored to be interested in him. I think he has a lot of potential. Can't believe the Knicks aren't giving him minutes after a solid rookie year
I am guessing that NY wants a 1st round pick for him... and I am guessing for Spurs that is a no.

[Leetonidas]

I am guessing that NY wants a 1st round pick for him... and I am guessing for Spurs that is a no.

Spurs should do it. They never play their first rounders anyway. And he's a better player than anyone were going to nab in the mid to late 20s

[SAGirl]

Spurs should do it. They never play their first rounders anyway. And he's a better player than anyone were going to nab in the mid to late 20s
I don't know Hernangomez so I am kind of neutral...

[sasaint]

I am guessing that NY wants a 1st round pick for him... and I am guessing for Spurs that is a no.

Yeah, because our first rounders are too valuable.

[SAGirl]

I am going to play devil's advocate.

They could always go on a losing streak the last 25 games or so of the season if they know Kiwi isn't coming back but just aren't saying it right now. That pick could be higher than any they have had recently and are considering keeping it.

[cd98]

Spurs played the easy part of their schedule. They are in the hard part without Kawhi. They are going to drop in the standings. Chances are they will have a better pick than they have the last few years. They should hold on to it as it might make trade bait for a better player.

[duncan2150]

Agree with that if i’m the spurs i dont give this Year first pick except if it’s for a really good player.

[Clipper Nation]

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...and Jerry West laughed and hung up the phone.

[DPG21920]

...and Jerry West laughed and hung up the phone.

Blake Griffin didn’t yield a top top 10 pick , what do they think DJ will yield? They dont’ want to pay DJ and any team trading for him won’t give up a top pick if they know he won’t sign.

I agree they should be targeting expiring contracts but they can’t expect better than a late first for DJ unless they are willing to eat salary

[Clipper Nation]

Blake Griffin didn’t yield a top top 10 pick , what do they think DJ will yield? They dont’ want to pay DJ and any team trading for him won’t give up a top pick if they know he won’t sign.

I agree they should be targeting expiring contracts but they can’t expect better than a late first for DJ unless they are willing to eat salary
I'm not a huge DJ fan, but he's worth more than that garbage. I'd rather let him walk for nothing in free agency than get Tristan Thompson's awful contract and a worse pick than Detroit's in return.

Chances are, the Cavs are not going to be able to dump any of those contracts without giving the Brooklyn pick.

[BackHome]

Spurs played the easy part of their schedule. They are in the hard part without Kawhi. They are going to drop in the standings. Chances are they will have a better pick than they have the last few years. They should hold on to it as it might make trade bait for a better player.

A lot more teams will have better picks to do trade then us if you can do the trade for our first I would do it. Hell wasn’t White a first round draft pick and he is on G League squad

[DPG21920]

Boston is fucking crazy. They don’t want to pay Smart but want a pick so someone else pays him. Ainge trying to shark others

Why is that crazy? BOS does not want to pay him because things changed over the years and they have a lot of good guards. They landed Kyrie and have other good guards/large wings. That does not make Smart a bad player or anything.

Makes sense that just due to circumstance and roster composition that they would do that. Will they get that pick? I don’t know but it would not surprise me. If a team really likes smart, needs a guard and is not confident that they can get a free agent look, then trading a pick to get the advantage on re-signing him sounds good.

[SAGirl]

Why is that crazy? BOS does not want to pay him because things changed over the years and they have a lot of good guards. They landed Kyrie and have other good guards/large wings. That does not make Smart a bad player or anything.

Makes sense that just due to circumstance and roster composition that they would do that. Will they get that pick? I don’t know but it would not surprise me. If a team really likes smart, needs a guard and is not confident that they can get a free agent look, then trading a pick to get the advantage on re-signing him sounds good.
I don’t think you got my meaning. Boston is crazy to expect anyone to surrender a 1st round pick for Smart that’s why he’s a shark

[DPG21920]

I don’t think you got my meaning. Boston is crazy to expect anyone to surrender a 1st round pick for Smart that’s why he’s a shark

No I got it. Im just saying that I don’t think other teams will or should view it as crazy or shark-like. Smart is a talented player (with flaws). I can see someone willing to pay him that would be willing to part with a pick to get him.

[SAGirl]

No I got it. Im just saying that I don’t think other teams will or should view it as crazy or shark-like. Smart is a talented player (with flaws). I can see someone willing to pay him that would be willing to part with a pick to get him.
No better than Kyle Anderson tbh... and I don’t think it’s reasonable to want a first round pick for a roleplayers who is some modern version of Tony Allen and is due to get paid... respectfully disagree. I hang up on Boston on the spot.

[Chinook]

Pop has to decide what is more important: Winning, or winning with his guys. That's not an easy decision when talking about relationships that have lasted seven years or more. By far their best package involves Parker's expiring contract. No reason to lose value by doing Mills instead, and no point in getting worse by doing Green instead. If he can't bring himself to trade Tony, then he doesn't really have much of a right to criticize his players. No one in SA is doing everything it takes to win, except maybe LMA.

[Chomag]

Sadly I'll never bet against this FO standing pat.

[BackHome]

I agree and if Pop could trade Sean Elliott then he should be able to trade Tony

[DPG21920]

Pop has to decide what is more important: Winning, or winning with his guys. That's not an easy decision when talking about relationships that have lasted seven years or more. By far their best package involves Parker's expiring contract. No reason to lose value by doing Mills instead, and no point in getting worse by doing Green instead. If he can't bring himself to trade Tony, then he doesn't really have much of a right to criticize his players. No one in SA is doing everything it takes to win, except maybe LMA.

I don’t know if I agree with that. Not only would keeping TP vs Mills help out SA next off season with space, but TP is still better at running an offense than Mills and they have no one else that can really do that. It’s a skillset thing in addition to money.

Now, if you are saying the difference in getting an upgrade is a team wanting TP’s expiring vs Mills, then yes. But if it’s up to SA who to move, Mills is the better person to move on all fronts IMO.

[Chinook]

I don’t know if I agree with that. Not only would keeping TP vs Mills help out SA next off season with space, but TP is still better at running an offense than Mills and they have no one else that can really do that. It’s a skillset thing in addition to money.

Now, if you are saying the difference in getting an upgrade is a team wanting TP’s expiring vs Mills, then yes. But if it’s up to SA who to move, Mills is the better person to move on all fronts IMO.

The Spurs don't need cap space next summer. They should be fine under the tax. Getting a better player for TP's salary slot would be much more helpful than letting that roll off the books. Moreover, there's nothing to be said about the team acquiring and expiring for Tony in the trade. Not all upgrades are locked into long-term deals.

"Running the offense" helps but doesn't help. If Tony isn't going to start, then his ability to make plays is less important. Getting a real guard would be much more helpful.

I'm saying that Pop's best package is going to involve Tony. He can't be untouchable if Pop really thinks winning is important.

[BackHome]

To me you got White and Murray to take over PG duties next year. And you have Forbes that can take over Mills offensive spark next year so Tony and Mills are available for trades or draft picks.

For me the major concern is replacing Manu we don’t have anyone with his skill sets other then White

[SpurPadre]

I agree and if Pop could trade Sean Elliott then he should be able to trade Tony

He fucked a teammate's wife and still stayed with the team. TP will be a Spur for life.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs don't need cap space next summer. They should be fine under the tax. Getting a better player for TP's salary slot would be much more helpful than letting that roll off the books. Moreover, there's nothing to be said about the team acquiring and expiring for Tony in the trade. Not all upgrades are locked into long-term deals.

"Running the offense" helps but doesn't help. If Tony isn't going to start, then his ability to make plays is less important. Getting a real guard would be much more helpful.

I'm saying that Pop's best package is going to involve Tony. He can't be untouchable if Pop really thinks winning is important.

I dont see how moving Mills and having the flexibility (lets say in case Lebron wants to come) is preferred. Is it needed now? No. But making a move before you are in a position to have to make a move can be a good thing.

I agree with the last part though. If the difference in getting a deal done is moving TP or not, SA should be willing.

[TD 21]

I could understand loyalty to Parker and Ginobili, but not Mills over this nonsense of being a culture carrier (they'll have hopefully Leonard and definitely Green and Parker around for that) and not this seeming mentality of unattainable star or bust. They've got to be less stubborn and more flexible if they're serious about trying to get back to being a contender.

The specter of Leonard requesting a trade shouldn't have to be the impetus to operate with this mindset, but if that's what it takes to nudge them out of their comfort zone, so be it.

[cd98]

I can't see Spurs trading Tony, even though its the right call. We need to hire Ainge as a GM. Dude has no heart and does everything to win in the front office. Hell, he traded the MVP and heart and soul of the team (last year) the second he could upgrade.

[Dex]

He fucked a teammate's wife and still stayed with the team. TP will be a Spur for life.

That was some dirty pool for Tony, but let's be honest...he was one of the 3 best players on the team at the time. They weren't going to move him for that, no matter how despicably it was.

It probably would've gone very differently if he was just a role player.

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[DAF86]

Marcus Smart available for a first round.

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Brooklyn with the sneaky solid moves in the last year. They’re essentially flipping ugly houses for value after fixing them up just enough.

[CGD]

Pop has to decide what is more important: Winning, or winning with his guys. That's not an easy decision when talking about relationships that have lasted seven years or more. By far their best package involves Parker's expiring contract. No reason to lose value by doing Mills instead, and no point in getting worse by doing Green instead. If he can't bring himself to trade Tony, then he doesn't really have much of a right to criticize his players. No one in SA is doing everything it takes to win, except maybe LMA.

What is true is that in this financial environment, Tony’s expiring is a HUGE asset. It easily nets a decent 1st right now.

[objective]

I agree and if Pop could trade Sean Elliott then he should be able to trade Tony

Pop didn't trade Sean away, that was Bob Bass. Pop traded for him back after he was hired.

[ace3g]

I don't think the Pacers would be interested in trading for a Spurs' PG for depth.

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[SAGirl]

Pop has to decide what is more important: Winning, or winning with his guys. That's not an easy decision when talking about relationships that have lasted seven years or more. By far their best package involves Parker's expiring contract. No reason to lose value by doing Mills instead, and no point in getting worse by doing Green instead. If he can't bring himself to trade Tony, then he doesn't really have much of a right to criticize his players. No one in SA is doing everything it takes to win, except maybe LMA.
after seeing the latest interview from Tony on nba.com ... I am firmly in the camp of those who believe he will never get traded.
He's looking forward to continuing to play from the bench another 3 years.

I only think Pop breaks up the group if they get a MAJOR star that wants to join them. There are other moves they could make to improve deficient areas etc... and there have been possibiltes even for the past couple of years, but they don't seem to want to give up anyone unless it's for a star and thus here we are.

[mo7888]

What is true is that in this financial environment, Tony’s expiring is a HUGE asset. It easily nets a decent 1st right now.

I agree with that. I also think it could acquire a real player for this season. Teams like Charlotte are in for a huge hit next year, if we offered tony plus mills for kemba and zeller they'd have to think about it. It clears a lot of salary next year and keeps them under the tax.

[cjw]

The Spurs don't need cap space next summer. They should be fine under the tax. Getting a better player for TP's salary slot would be much more helpful than letting that roll off the books. Moreover, there's nothing to be said about the team acquiring and expiring for Tony in the trade. Not all upgrades are locked into long-term deals.

"Running the offense" helps but doesn't help. If Tony isn't going to start, then his ability to make plays is less important. Getting a real guard would be much more helpful.

I'm saying that Pop's best package is going to involve Tony. He can't be untouchable if Pop really thinks winning is important.

If you’re getting a better player for TP’s salary slot, then why not do the same with Mills’ albatross (also valuable money in a trade)? Move both guys out in separate deals if you can and don’t care about loyalty.

But do agree that TP will net you more than Mills, as he’s an expiring. It’s an extremely tight year so cap space will be valuable to another team. Meanwhile Spurs can keep rolling forward and just use the MLE. Given their losing lately, might get something more useful in the draft too vs. late 20s.

Forbes is a different player than Mills and not an exact replacement, plus is a RFA this year and will be due a raise. But a tight market will limit ability for teams to give offer sheets. And people hoping for White to be the savior ... that’s at least another year away.

[MaNu4Tres]

Mills & Kyle for Hood & Joe Johnson expiring.

[sasaint]

Brooklyn with the sneaky solid moves in the last year. They’re essentially flipping ugly houses for value after fixing them up just enough.

Future Spurs GM: Sean Marks
Future Spurs HC: Sean Marks' choice

[sasaint]

Mills & Kyle for Hood & Joe Johnson expiring.

I expect the Jazz to get better offers, tbh. I would jump on that. They are both expiring, btw, and Hood will get a big raise.

[MaNu4Tres]

I expect the Jazz to get better offers, tbh. I would jump on that. They are both expiring, btw, and Hood will get a big raise.

I'd give Hood Pattys money.

[sasaint]

I'd give Hood Pattys money.

After next season he may well get more. No matter. I am with you. Hood is a keeper and you only have to suffer Joe Johnson for a year.

[SAGirl]

Mills & Kyle for Hood & Joe Johnson expiring.
I wouldn't do it... I don't think highly of Hood. There is a chance they can retain Kyle on a very reasonable deal too.
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[SAGirl]

After next season he may well get more. No matter. I am with you. Hood is a keeper and you only have to suffer Joe Johnson for a year.
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[Seventyniner]

I don't think the Pacers would be interested in trading for a Spurs' PG for depth.

It didn't go too well for them last time...

[sasaint]

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Don't like Hood?

[SAGirl]

Don't like Hood?
no... he had one impressive game the last time we Spurs played the Jazz but he has been very underwhelming... I think people might turn on him just as quickly as they did Mills... plays in a defensively strong team but is sieve... so it's him that is the problem not the system and he's kind of a ball stopper/iso guy, Spurs already struggle with iso guys not fitting in well. I like Ingles a lot more than Hood although he's older

[eDizzle20]

Would love to see this team go after Stanley Johnson. Danny Green very well could opt and Kyle Anderson is going to get paid. They’ll have to give up their first, but it would be worth it due to Johnson’s potential and age.

[SpurPadre]

It didn't go too well for them last time...

What do you mean? It landed them Paul George. Sure they couldn't hold on to him but still...

[dabom]

Patty still on the team? :lmao

[SpurPadre]

Patty still on the team? :lmao

No one wants that shrimp on their barbys, tbh.

[Dex]

Patty still on the team? :lmao

Very surprising that a one-dimensional, undersized shooting guard who forgot how to shoot and is on a bad contract isn't making waves on the trade market.

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[vy65]

Very surprising that a one-dimensional, undersized shooting guard who forgot how to shoot and is on a bad contract isn't making waves on the trade market.

He's the second best player on our team tho ...

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PHI bound?

[Ron Swanson]

Hawks are holding Ferrari out tonight while discussing a trade.

[NASpurs]

Why would you trade for him when the Hawks are probably going to buy him out?

[TheDoctor]

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[TheDoctor]

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[spurraider21]

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thats a hell of a lowball

RC: We'll take Hernangomez and Johnson

Scott Perry: Ok, who are you offering in exchange

RC: https://media.giphy.com/media/xPxBzjbueFkaI/giphy.gif

[DPG21920]

thats a hell of a lowball

So good that I’m mad it didn’t come out of my mouth.

[Robz4000]

Why would you trade for him when the Hawks are probably going to buy him out?

Since if he's bought out he can go wherever he wants, which is prolly SA/GS/HOU/MIN.

[Quiet Strength]

thats a hell of a lowball

RC: We'll take Hernangomez and Johnson

Scott Perry: Ok, who are you offering in exchange

RC: https://media.giphy.com/media/xPxBzjbueFkaI/giphy.gif

lol

[NASpurs]

Since if he's bought out he can go wherever he wants, which is prolly SA/GS/HOU/MIN.

Makes sense but the guy is at most a rental for whoever is trading for him since he’s on an expiring contract. Has to be a playoff team asking for him. OKC?

[SAGirl]

thats a hell of a lowball

RC: We'll take Hernangomez and Johnson

Scott Perry: Ok, who are you offering in exchange

RC: https://media.giphy.com/media/xPxBzjbueFkaI/giphy.gif
This is fricking hilarious....
I am guessing they just wanted to know what NY and Detroit wanted...

[vy65]

thats a hell of a lowball

RC: We'll take Hernangomez and Johnson

Scott Perry: Ok, who are you offering in exchange

RC: https://media.giphy.com/media/xPxBzjbueFkaI/giphy.gif

No players were offered could mean neither Johnson nor Hernangomez were offered, meaning neither DET nor NYK were interested in the garbage we'd give them in a trade.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
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The Hawks have informed veteran sharpshooter Marco Belinelli that he is on course to be traded by Thursday's 3 p.m. deadline, league sources say. Atlanta said to still be weighing its options in terms of exactly where it will send him with multiple teams interested

[spurraider21]

No players were offered could mean neither Johnson nor Hernangomez were offered, meaning neither DET nor NYK were interested in the garbage we'd give them in a trade.
yeah but that's not nearly as funny a scenario

[DPG21920]

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[Robz4000]

Makes sense but the guy is at most a rental for whoever is trading for him since he’s on an expiring contract. Has to be a playoff team asking for him. OKC?

A second rounder is prolly enough for him, making a rental not a problem. I could see OKC, Philly, Boston, or one of those four I mentioned going for him.

[cd98]

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Not sure why we signed Mills, a shooting guard who can’t guard anyone, for $50 million when we could’ve traded a 2nd pick and some change for Marco.

[Leetonidas]

Ferrari pls:cry

[Leetonidas]

Stanley Johnson seems pretty underwhelming. Wonder what the spurs see in him. His raw stats are meh and his advanced metrics are bad across the board. Dude cant shoot either

[MaNu4Tres]

Stanley Johnson seems pretty underwhelming. Wonder what the spurs see in him. His raw stats are meh and his advanced metrics are bad across the board. Dude cant shoot either

Buying low and see if they can develop him more into a better 3&D player.

[cd98]

Stanley Johnson seems pretty underwhelming. Wonder what the spurs see in him. His raw stats are meh and his advanced metrics are bad across the board. Dude cant shoot either

He’s a small forward that can defend. Spurs can teach him to hit threes. Guys with his size and defense are what is needed to beat the Warriors and Rockets. And he’s cheap right now.

[ace3g]

Hernangomez might stay with the Knicks now that KP is injured.

[MaNu4Tres]

Only reason I'd be interested in Belinelli is to get Pattys' deal off the damn books.

I want more minutes for Murray, Forbes, White-- the 3 best guards on the team after Green and Manu.

[NASpurs]

Hernangomez might stay with the Knicks now that KP is injured.

Commence the tank.

[sasaint]

He’s a small forward that can defend. Spurs can teach him to hit threes. Guys with his size and defense are what is needed to beat the Warriors and Rockets. And he’s cheap right now.

Teach Stanley like they taught Kyle?

Hard pass. We don't need more projects. We have half a roster-full in both Austin and San Antonio. We need guys who can put the ball in the basket - now.

[Ice009]

Hernangomez is most likely off the table now. It doesn't look like the Basketball gods want to help the Spurs out of this poorly constructed roster at all.

[vy65]

yeah but that's not nearly as funny a scenario

Truth hurts homie

[BatManu20]

thats a hell of a lowball

RC: We'll take Hernangomez and Johnson

Scott Perry: Ok, who are you offering in exchange

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:lol

[Leetonidas]

He’s a small forward that can defend. Spurs can teach him to hit threes. Guys with his size and defense are what is needed to beat the Warriors and Rockets. And he’s cheap right now.

Do we really need more guys who cant score? Spurs defense isn't the issue with this roster. They cant score for shit

[baseline bum]

Spurs need to dump Mills while teams still don't realize how bad he is.

Fuck off man, I own stock in Whataburger. Losing Blair was bad enough.

[Robz4000]

Fuck off man, I own stock in Whataburger. Losing Blair was bad enough.

Relax bruh; I said Fatty, not Porker.

[Hoops Czar]

Cleveland blew a 21 point lead to the Magic like it was nothing. Wow, what a dumpster fire.

[mo7888]

Fuck off man, I own stock in Whataburger. Losing Blair was bad enough.

:lol

[cd98]

Do we really need more guys who cant score? Spurs defense isn't the issue with this roster. They cant score for shit
Load up on SFs. You need wings that can defend.

[objective]

RealGM has a report that the wizards are listening on Gortat.

I'd do Mills for Gortat in a second. I'd even throw in the first rounder if they take Joffrey.

Gortat is fading but 100 times better as a backup center than Joffrey and his contract is up sooner.

Of course, the RealGM report also says Washington doesn't want to add any long money, but hopefully the first will be enough to get off if Patty's franchise smothering deal

[SAGirl]

Do we really need more guys who cant score? Spurs defense isn't the issue with this roster. They cant score for shit
I have really wondered if they are just looking for cheaper Green and Anderson replacements. Maybe they won’t pay either guy since Kiwi will get super maxed and they will pay Tony + keep Mills and Pau.

I honestly haven’t done any math but it’s just easier to replace defensive players for cheap than offensive player. I only wish their offensive players weren’t Tony, Patty and Pau...

[lmbebo]

Still think Willy can/will be moved. KP injury and he only played 90 secs in the game. He's in Jeff's dog house I guess.

[gambit1990]

knicks should go on a 30 game losing streak so they can get a high draft pick to put alongside KP.

[mo7888]

Detroit wants a 1st... I think if I were going to give that for a wing I'd kick the tires on hood from Utah. He could be a younger replacement for green and he can create his own shot. Johnson is more of an Anderson replacement but I dont think hes worth a 1st.

[BatManu20]

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[coachmac87]

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Chinook really needs a cap breakdown ASAP comparing Rockets/Spurs including possible ST..

This shit is getting too real

[Russ]

Hernangomez is most likely off the table now. It doesn't look like the Basketball gods want to help the Spurs out of this poorly constructed roster at all.

How about Marco Belinelli?

[Ice009]

If Marco's getting traded, I doubt it's to the Spurs, but yes, after the balls he showed in the 2015 Clippers series, I would take him back. I was happy with the fearlessness he played with in that series. He played as hard as he could within his capabilities to try and win those games for the Spurs.

[gambit1990]

okc should see what they could get for melo.

[baseline bum]

Yeah Fiat's going to fix this team's problems

[objective]

OKC needs to get j Simmons.

He'd be so perfect, the defense, the offense, the swag. The desire.

Just rub in the Spurs faces. Love to watch Simmons style on scrubs.

Rub the front office's face in the dirt and their own mess like dogs.

[TimDunkem]

OKC needs to get j Simmons.

He'd be so perfect, the defense, the offense, the swag. The desire.

Just rub in the Spurs faces. Love to watch Simmons style on scrubs.

Rub the front office's face in the dirt and their own mess like dogs.

Imagine this Spurs team losing to an OKC team - which many here scoffed at after the Melo trade - with Simmons. It would be the PATFO fluffers worst nightmare. :lol

[DPG21920]

Hernangomez is most likely off the table now. It doesn't look like the Basketball gods want to help the Spurs out of this poorly constructed roster at all.

He played a whopping one minute in the game even with KP out. WTH?

[SAGirl]

Imagine this Spurs team losing to an OKC team - which many here scoffed at after the Melo trade - with Simmons. It would be the PATFO fluffers worst nightmare. :lol
If they had Kawhi they aren’t losing to OKC tbh, JSimms or no. First bc Kiwi is that good, second bc this team depleted as it is won one game against them that Manu had 6 TO against and came within a missed 3 pt shot from BPaul of all ppl to win another (the game Kyle injured his knee Pop only played 9 guys, a fair amount of Joff, and 5 guys including rookies the entire 4th Q.).

Of course the heroes in those games were not Tony, Manu or Mills. Food for thought.

[SAGirl]

He played a whopping one minute in the game even with KP out. WTH?
Perhaps they are not risking him to injuries bc of potential trades.

Not to the Spurs of course.

[Atl Spur]

Some people....... I would love to see them "perform" in their real lives.

[Atl Spur]

Stop reinventing yourself for a message board; we value your opinion just the same!#stoplyingtokickit

[lmbebo]

KP done for season with torn ACL.

https://sports.yahoo.com/knicks-kristaps-porzingis-helped-off-court-apparent-knee-injury-vs-bucks-015242191.html

[YGWHI]

KP done for season with torn ACL.

https://sports.yahoo.com/knicks-kristaps-porzingis-helped-off-court-apparent-knee-injury-vs-bucks-015242191.html

Wow...

[objective]

Latvians and ACLs

[cd98]

Is it me or do athletes tear their ACLs more frequently? Maybe athletes are over training when they go year round.

[cjw]

Is it me or do athletes tear their ACLs more frequently? Maybe athletes are over training when they go year round.

Joakim Noah gonna pull a Nick Foles and take them to the promised land. Of a top 5 pick.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a league this disjointed at the deadline. Literally anything could happen with 80% of the teams in the league. Especially in the east with Cleveland being vulnerable and the Celtics not being as good as their early start had people believing. In the west, some teams may blow up knowing GS/Hou are entrenched for a few more years.

[YGWHI]

Is it me or do athletes tear their ACLs more frequently? Maybe athletes are over training when they go year round.
In 2014 Tim Grover wrote an article on SI.com about how overtraining and basketball schedules lead to injuries in young players.

https://www.si.com/edge/2014/12/18/why-so-many-injuries-be-surprised-there-arent-more

[daslicer]

Joakim Noah gonna pull a Nick Foles and take them to the promised land. Of a top 5 pick.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a league this disjointed at the deadline. Literally anything could happen with 80% of the teams in the league. Especially in the east with Cleveland being vulnerable and the Celtics not being as good as their early start had people believing. In the west, some teams may blow up knowing GS/Hou are entrenched for a few more years.

I hoping GS is stupid enough to do bad trade. I was reading their team message board on realgm and a lot of them want to trade Klay for Deandre Jordan.

[NASpurs]

The dream is dead fellas.

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[jyra]

Zeller on his way out then? Not sure why Charlotte needed another center.

[NASpurs]

Zeller on his way out then? Not sure why Charlotte needed another center.

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[8FOR!3]

All they gave up was Johnny O'Bryant and two second rounders. I will point out that 2 2nd rounders from Charlotte is probably equally or more valuable than 1 of our 1st rounders bc theirs is high in the second and ours is low in the first.

[Dex]

All they gave up was Johnny O'Bryant and two second rounders. I will point out that 2 2nd rounders from Charlotte is probably equally or more valuable than 1 of our 1st rounders bc theirs is high in the second and ours is low in the first.

Yep...I think O'Bryant is just a bit piece in the trade. Knicks wanted picks, and the Spurs would have had to give up several to match that deal.

Hermangomez would be a nice piece to add, but not worth mortgaging the future for....especially since the Warriors are still heavy favorites anyways.

[spurs50_]

We couldn't match that?.... We're always stashing those picks anyway......ughhh

[TimDunkem]

"Mortgaging the future trading picks"

What? Our picks either don't play for the first few years, or fade away into obscurity overseas. :lol

[NASpurs]

He's talking in response to the Hernangomez trade but the meaty part is the rest of it.

:lol MJ is still being delusional

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[NASpurs]

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[bklynspursfan]

Thought with the news of Porzingis out, the Knicks would want to hang on to him

[TD 21]

Zeller on his way out then? Not sure why Charlotte needed another center.

Not only that, but Walker more than likely staying put for potentially longer than just the remainder of the season.

Zeller is probably their only bloated contract that can be dumped, not only without attaching an asset, but they can probably get an expiring contract or two and recoup comparable value to what they just gave up. Do that and replace him with the cost controlled Hernangomez and their looming tax issue dissipates.

[SpurPadre]

Damn...no more HernanGomezGonzalezGutierrezRodriguezValenzuela?!

[KDKSpurs24]

Not only that, but Walker more than likely staying put for potentially longer than just the remainder of the season.

Zeller is probably their only bloated contract that can be dumped, not only without attaching an asset, but they can probably get an expiring contract or two and recoup comparable value to what they just gave up. Do that and replace him with the cost controlled Hernangomez and their looming tax issue dissipates.
I thought Zeller already got traded to Milkwaukee?

Edit: Nvm forgot about the brother haha

[Spurs da champs]

"Mortgaging the future trading picks"

What? Our picks either don't play for the first few years, or fade away into obscurity overseas. :lol

:lol

[Dex]

"Mortgaging the future trading picks"

What? Our picks either don't play for the first few years, or fade away into obscurity overseas. :lol

Murray and Anderson are two picks who are currently helping to keep this team afloat.

Since SpursTalk is convinced that the team can never draw FAs, how the hell do you expect them to develop if we trade away all our picks as well?

[Dex]

He's talking in response to the Hernangomez trade but the meaty part is the rest of it.

:lol MJ is still being delusional

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:lmao Will MJ go down as a worse GM than Isiah?

[TheGreatYacht]

"Mortgaging the future trading picks"

What? Our picks either don't play for the first few years, or fade away into obscurity overseas. :lol
:lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

"Keeping the season afloat" :lol

Andershit and Murray playing nearly 30 minutes a night is a big reason we're under .500 over the last 15 games and will fall to the 6-8th seed by seasons end. Nice spin though

[TimDunkem]

"Anderson is helping keep us afloat..."

Yeah, I guess if flailing in the pool with your nose just above the water is considered staying afloat. :lmao

[TimDunkem]

"Keeping the season afloat" :lol

Andershit and Murray playing nearly 30 minutes a night is a big reason we're under .500 over the last 15 games will fall to the 6-8th by seasons end. Nice spin though

These fluffers are the master of spin. They should work for Trump. :lol

[jyra]

Not only that, but Walker more than likely staying put for potentially longer than just the remainder of the season.

Zeller is probably their only bloated contract that can be dumped, not only without attaching an asset, but they can probably get an expiring contract or two and recoup comparable value to what they just gave up. Do that and replace him with the cost controlled Hernangomez and their looming tax issue dissipates.

I'm not sure that they can get off Zeller's contract that easily. His cap number isn't too bad at $12.5mil this year but the three remaining years make it a tougher sell. That's a big investment for a guy who might only be a backup center. I will be impressed if they can pull it off without giving up any assets.

[TheGreatYacht]

These fluffers are the master of spin. They should work for Trump. :lol
Pop & RC will never need chairs as long as these fluffers have faces

[Ice009]

I'm not sure that they can get off Zeller's contract that easily. His cap number isn't too bad at $12.5mil this year but the three remaining years make it a tougher sell. That's a big investment for a guy who might only be a backup center. I will be impressed if they can pull it off without giving up any assets.

Who the fuck signed him for that amount of money?

[TD 21]

I'm not sure that they can get off Zeller's contract that easily. His cap number isn't too bad at $12.5mil this year but the three remaining years make it a tougher sell. That's a big investment for a guy who might only be a backup center. I will be impressed if they can pull it off without giving up any assets.

If they're not confident that they can do so, then this trade makes no sense. Two 2nds for a third string center, on a team that should be re-building, is insane. Especially considering how bleak their future outlook looks at the moment. I know a lot can change in 2-3 years, but those look on track to be high 2nds, which are essentially virtual 1sts.

[BatManu20]

Lou Williams gets a 3-yr deal

[cd98]

Lou Williams gets a 3-yr deal

Why is a tanking team signing a 30 year old to an extension?

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Why is a tanking team signing a 30 year old to an extension?

Idk. Weird deal for sure. Maybe Jerry West just really likes him?

[duncan2150]

Why is a tanking team signing a 30 year old to an extension?

They’re not tanking

[K...]

uh, you still got to sell tickets and Lou Williams is the bare minimum for entertaining basketball.

[BackHome]

Fuck New York trade Hernangomez to Charlotte for a second round pick. Come
on RC put the wine glass down and get off your lazy ass could have used him to replace that non rebound blocking Frenchie.

[r0drig0lac]

They’re not tanking

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Fuck New York trade Hernangomez to Charlotte for a second round pick. Come
on RC put the wine glass down and get off your lazy ass could have used him to replace that non rebound blocking Frenchie.

You'd give the Spurs 1st round pick for Hernangomez? I certainly wouldn't.

[Hoops Czar]

Why is a tanking team signing a 30 year old to an extension?


Why would a team who's tanking sign a useless shooting guard who can't shoot to a 4 years/50M and a 37 year old to 3 years/48M?

[BackHome]

He was a 15 draft pick and since our first round pick from last year is playing in the G league I would. He is young athletic
can rebound block shots and score would be immediate back to Gasol and we could let the Frenchie go.

[szkorhetz]

You'd give the Spurs 1st round pick for Hernangomez? I certainly wouldn't.
How do our last 4-5 1st round picks fare in the NBA?
Oh, well...

[bklynspursfan]

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[spurs50_]

I would've given a first, why take a chance on them drafting another under sized guard.

[Leetonidas]

Hood is def not on the spurs radar imo. Utah probably wants a 1st for him which would be stupid to give up considering he is super injury prone and going to be a FA chasing big money

[BatManu20]

It's official. Spurs standing pat. Tony says so.


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[BatManu20]

I would've given a first, why take a chance on them drafting another under sized guard.

Negative. Would be a horrible deal for us, especially with a deep 2018 draft class upcoming. 1st-Round picks are at a premium right now.

[TheGreatYacht]

Negative. Would be a horrible deal for us, especially with a deep 2018 draft class upcoming. 1st-Round picks are at a premium right now.
Lmao it won't be deeper than the 2017 class and with all the talent available we drafted a 24yr old 4th string PG

[8FOR!3]

Parker's got a point, but the team has just seemed so discombobulated this year I'm not sure a Kawhi return is just going to magically fix everything. Also don't blame MJ for selling high on Kemba. Isn't he under contract through next year? If so he might as well sell high this year and sell lower next year.

[lebomb]

I personally doubt Kawhi will be 100% healthy at all this year.

[NASpurs]

Lmao it won't be deeper than the 2017 class and with all the talent available we drafted a 24yr old 4th string PG

To be fair, once the Spurs start dropping in the standings, the pick next year should be in the low 20s. Maybe they can use it + a player(s) for a trade in the offseason.

[SAGirl]

It's official. Spurs standing pat. Tony says so.


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Thanks for posting. I thought as much. They did their due diligence but they aren’t trading a 1st for someone to take Joff’s spot and they might have had interest in Stanley if he was basically being given away ...

[TheGreatYacht]

To be fair, once the Spurs start dropping in the standings, the pick next year should be in the low 20s. Maybe they can use it + a player(s) for a trade in the offseason.
You're right. That pick in the low 20s will be used to erase some drunk mistakes done at 12:01am

Disgusting and a lynchable offense.

[SAGirl]

Negative. Would be a horrible deal for us, especially with a deep 2018 draft class upcoming. 1st-Round picks are at a premium right now.
Plus, honestly if Kiwi doesn’t recover this season, Hernangomez or anybody wasn’t going to make a dent. And there’s a chance that if injuries continue the Spurs could have a higher pick than 30, 29, 28 which have been their picks recently.

[gambit1990]

It's official. Spurs standing pat. Tony says so.


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[jermaine]

I personally doubt Kawhi will be 100% healthy at all this year.

Who's 100 fucking percent after the all-star break or in the playoffs!?!

[sasaint]

Plus, honestly if Kiwi doesn’t recover this season, Hernangomez or anybody wasn’t going to make a dent. And there’s a chance that if injuries continue the Spurs could have a higher pick than 30, 29, 28 which have been their picks recently.

Hernangomez would not have been the kind of acquisition you make in order to merely make a dent this season. He's the kind of guy who would help this season and, hopefully, be part of the team's long term plans.

[objective]

He was a 15 draft pick and since our first round pick from last year is playing in the G league I would. He is young athletic
can rebound block shots and score would be immediate back to Gasol and we could let the Frenchie go.

Edit:

Sorry, got my brothers confused. Thought you meant 15th pick and not 2015

[ECOV]

It's official. Spurs standing pat. Tony says so.


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[Hoops Czar]

It's official. Spurs standing pat. Tony says so.


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Of course not, why would either Tony or Manu want players coming in that could that could potentially cut into their playing time?

[SAGirl]

Hernangomez would not have been the kind of acquisition you make in order to merely make a dent this season. He's the kind of guy who would help this season and, hopefully, be part of the team's long term plans.
I am not too hot on him, I don’t consider him a difference maker he’s been poor defensively and that in a big man is inexcusable and almost impossible to cover... but I am going by stats. I haven’t seen him play all that much so that does influence my indifference.

[NASpurs]

You're right. That pick in the low 20s will be used to erase some drunk mistakes done at 12:01am

Disgusting and a lynchable offense.

Just a couple of bad games here and there with the most difficult schedule in the league and before you know it...

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[cd98]

They’re not tanking

When you trade Griffin and Paul, with what's left, that's tanking. They just need to trade Jordan to end their era of competitiveness.

[cd98]

Why would a team who's tanking sign a useless shooting guard who can't shoot to a 4 years/50M and a 37 year old to 3 years/48M?

Because you can't question RC and Pop because they never make mistakes. Even holding onto TP when his contract is essentially expiring and extremely valuable right now.

[objective]

Lou Williams only got $8 million a year on his extension

Less than full MLE. I know he's reported as liking LA and not wanting to move after so many different teams, but that's a bad sign for things to come this summer for players

It might be a bloodbath. So little money ...

Wouldn't be surprised if Gay and Green don't opt out, there's so little money above mle that it would be a substantial risk if they aren't on a cap room team's shortlist

Of course, the Spurs might still give that loyalty money anyway.

[BatManu20]

Lou Williams only got $8 million a year on his extension

Less than full MLE. I know he's reported as liking LA and not wanting to move after so many different teams, but that's a bad sign for things to come this summer for players

It might be a bloodbath. So little money ...

Wouldn't be surprised if Gay and Green don't opt out, there's so little money above mle that it would be a substantial risk if they aren't on a cap room team's shortlist

Of course, the Spurs might still give that loyalty money anyway.

Yup.

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[BatManu20]

Lakers should trade him before another Ball is dropped on the franchise.

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[vy65]

Lou Williams only got $8 million a year on his extension

Less than full MLE. I know he's reported as liking LA and not wanting to move after so many different teams, but that's a bad sign for things to come this summer for players

It might be a bloodbath. So little money ...

Wouldn't be surprised if Gay and Green don't opt out, there's so little money above mle that it would be a substantial risk if they aren't on a cap room team's shortlist

Of course, the Spurs might still give that loyalty money anyway.

That patty contract is the gift that keeps on giving

[Dex]

Spurs should only make a move if it is something that helps them for the future....either shedding a shitty contract like Patty's, picking up a cheap deal on a player that could contribute for a year or two, or acquiring picks.

It doesn't make much sense to sacrifice assets for a "win now" move considering that it seems incredibly unlikely there is anything out there that gets them over the hump with the Warriors.

[spursistan]

Looking at what Lou Willimas got; det Paddy contract is officially an absolute abomination :lol..What an egregious market misreading by PATFO..

[Robz4000]

Looking at what Lou Willimas got; det Paddy contract is officially an absolute abomination :lol..What an egregious market misreading by PATFO..

It was an abomination before and after it.

[duncan2150]

When you trade Griffin and Paul, with what's left, that's tanking. They just need to trade Jordan to end their era of competitiveness.

When you get players like Tobias Harris or Avery Bradley that's not what i call tanking.

[TheDoctor]

That patty contract is the thief that keeps on stealing

I agree :tu

[r0drig0lac]

When you get players like Tobias Harris or Avery Bradley that's not what i call tanking.

and Gallinari, Deandre, Teodosic, damn, they still have Beverley (injured) and a good sf backup in Wes Johnson, their roster is more versatile than SA.

[BatManu20]

Lol Cavs. Trading their only asset after Lebron leaves for a PG who will not get them over the hump whatsoever. Dwight Howard could potentially be part of the deal as well.

Poor Kemba would be stuck in CLE all alone next year.


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[Dex]

Lol Cavs. Trading their only asset after Lebron leaves for a PG who will not get them over the hump whatsoever. Dwight Howard could potentially be part of the deal as well.

Poor Kemba would be stuck in CLE all alone next year.


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Still don't see how the Cavs think they are going to get this done. They are probably selling IT as an "All-Star" even though he has been a total net negative this year...fucking midget can't score anymore and is the worst defensive player in the league.

Otherwise, all the Cavs can do is offer to trade the bloated contracts of TT or JR Smith for Batum's or Howard's, which pretty much is a wash and does nothing for either team.

[BatManu20]

Could be: (+ the BKN pick)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVeBk6vVMAA0spE.jpg:large

[Hoops Czar]

Lol Cavs. Trading their only asset after Lebron leaves for a PG who will not get them over the hump whatsoever. Dwight Howard could potentially be part of the deal as well.

Poor Kemba would be stuck in CLE all alone next year.


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That Kyrie Irving trade keeps getting better and better.

[Dex]

Could be:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVeBk6vVMAA0spE.jpg:large

MJ said they would only trade Kemba for an All-Star, so I'd be surprised if they took that return. IT looks like a shell of his former self, and JR's contract is also bloated.

MAYBE if Cleveland throws in the Brooklyn pick...but then they will be fucked if Lebron bolts.

[BatManu20]

MJ said they would only trade Kemba for an All-Star, so I'd be surprised if they took that return. IT looks like a shell of his former self, and JR's contract is also bloated.

True, but that BKN pick would be included as well obviously, so MJ might consider it. Otherwise yea, it'd be a horrendous trade for the Hornets.

[BatManu20]

If I'm MJ and I actually trade Kemba to the Cavs, I'm making them take Batum's contract too. Especially if he's taking on Tristan Thompson's already horrendous deal.

[Dex]

If I'm MJ and I actually trade Kemba to the Cavs, I'm making them take Batum's contract too. Especially if he's taking on Tristan Thompson's already horrendous deal.

Batum could actually be a somewhat useful piece for the Cavs, but RIP their cap situation if they take both Howard and Batum.

[MoSpur02]

Would anyone here trade Kawhi to Orlando for Aaron Gordon and their 1st round draft pick?

[Leetonidas]

Would anyone here trade Kawhi to Orlando for Aaron Gordon and their 1st round draft pick?

Fuck no. Anyone who would is retarded and should be banned

[BatManu20]

Woj on ESPN saying Deandre Jordan probably not going to be traded bc the Clipps would rather just keep him and let his deal expire than take on another bad contract just for the sake of a middle-to-late round draft pick.

[Chillen]

If Cavs trade Thomas somewhere Danny Ainge is laughing his ass off, this is why you never make a trade with a rival Boston is if not now an NBA title contender. They also have the pieces to get Anthony Davis. Spurs deal wasn't better than Boston but at least Irving would have been in the West. Never make a rival better.

[Leetonidas]

If Cavs trade Thomas somewhere Danny Ainge is laughing his ass off, this is why you never make a trade with a rival Boston is if not now an NBA title contender. They also have the pieces to get Anthony Davis. Spurs deal wasn't better than Boston but at least Irving would have been in the West. Never make a rival better.

Dan Gilbert is a moron tbh. David Griffin was about to net them Butler and George and they ended up with Jae Crowded and Isaiah Thomas :lmao . Thomas has been absolutely brutal for Cleveland. Ainge straight raw dogged the Cavs franchise

[objective]

Lou Williams will be tradable next year and should be able to get a 1st for sure, as he'll be locked up with multiple years on a cheap deal. No one wanted to give up a first this year because of his looming free agency.

If a team wants a small bench shooter next year, who is better:. The near all-star Lou with 3/24 left or the scrubby Fatty who will have 3/38 left?

:lol: RC

[TheDoctor]

Dan Gilbert is a moron tbh. David Griffin was about to net them Butler and George and they ended up with Jae Crowded and Isaiah Thomas :lmao . Thomas has been absolutely brutal for Cleveland. Ainge straight raw dogged the Cavs franchise
:lmao

[sasaint]

Looking at what Lou Willimas got; det Paddy contract is officially an absolute abomination :lol..What an egregious market misreading by PATFO..

There was no market to read. 12:01 didn't allow for one.

[ace3g]

Players listed as possibly on trade block:

Stanley Johnson performance tonight:

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[ace3g]

I guess we will have to see if any Spurs' players sit "randomly" tonight

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Michael Scotto (https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto)Mike (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7591)AScotto

Denver Nuggets and Utah Jazz have held exploratory trade discussions involving Wilson Chandler and Joe Johnson, league sources told The Athletic.

[ace3g]

Rodney Hood tonight:

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[lmbebo]

Doubt it ...

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine) 12s (https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/961454125325144064)
The Spurs have emerged as a trade suitor for the Clippers' Avery Bradley, according to league sources

[DPG21920]

Told yalls asses

[DPG21920]

Patty Mills & a top 20 protected 1st for Avery Bradley. Who says no?

Come on baby

[ace3g]

Not the size player I think helps the Spurs though.

[DPG21920]

I wonder with LAC seemingly blowing it up and likely trading DJ/Lou as well (and probably not being willing to sign them to extensions worth a lot of money) if they would be open to the Bradley for Mills/First RD Pick trade?

Gives them a player, money isn’t a concern since Mills isn’t a huge per year deal and they will have tons of cap space with no Blake/DJ/Lou anyways and needing to hit the floor.

They just got Lou on the cheap and have Bev. Maybe that means Bradley is out.

[DPG21920]

Not the size player I think helps the Spurs though.

Not, but he’s way more capable than Mills/Forbes IMO. Plus if they move Mills for him that would be SO baller

[lmbebo]

Not the player I would expect the spurs to target ...

[DPG21920]

Not the player I would expect the spurs to target ...

He’s exactly the player I think the spurs would target. Good shooter, spurs have aging guards outside of Murray/Forbes and Mills has under performed. Has a rep for a good defender even if stats don’t back it up and is a grit guy with an expiring contract.

Trade for him, help your weak guard play this year and get a free look at him to see if he fits. You get his rights by trading for him.

[sasaint]

Not the size player I think helps the Spurs though.

So true!

[lmbebo]

He’s exactly the player I think the spurs would target. Good shooter, spurs have aging guards outside of Murray/Forbes and Mills has under performed. Has a rep for a good defender even if stats don’t back it up and is a grit guy with an expiring contract.

Trade for him, help your weak guard play this year and get a free look at him to see if he fits. You get his rights by trading for him.

back court of 6'3" guards... who do we flip for him? Its going to be a 1st round pick and some combination of player(s). Doubt they'd want Mills. I think I read that they don't want to add salary. Its not Tony or Manu. Think we trade him for Danny? Not sure if thats a side ways move or what...

[tholdren]

back court of 6'3" guards... who do we flip for him? Its going to be a 1st round pick and some combination of player(s). Doubt they'd want Mills. I think I read that they don't want to add salary. Its not Tony or Manu. Think we trade him for Danny? Not sure if thats a side ways move or what...

This

[DPG21920]

back court of 6'3" guards... who do we flip for him? Its going to be a 1st round pick and some combination of player(s). Doubt they'd want Mills. I think I read that they don't want to add salary. Its not Tony or Manu. Think we trade him for Danny? Not sure if thats a side ways move or what...

I think for a first round pick which is really, really valuable and teams aren’t just giving those up, ya, you take Mills. For SA it’s less about on court improvement and more about moving Mills money which is no longer needed with Murray/Forbes/White.

Then for LAC maybe the flip Lou Williams later for a first round pick and now they have a ton of first rounders and still a back court.

[lmbebo]

I think for a first round pick which is really, really valuable and teams aren’t just giving those up, ya, you take Mills. For SA it’s less about on court improvement and more about moving Mills money which is no longer needed with Murray/Forbes/White.

Then for LAC maybe the flip Lou Williams later for a first round pick and now they have a ton of first rounders and still a back court.

LAC can't flip Lou for 6 months now.

If they take Mills, the better. Not sure any other trade works for the spurs.

[SAGirl]

Not, but he’s way more capable than Mills/Forbes IMO. Plus if they move Mills for him that would be SO baller
Give me the truth DPG... how much is Bradley’s deal? If they aren’t dealing Patty then who else is reasonable?

[DPG21920]

LAC can't flip Lou for 6 months now.

If they take Mills, the better. Not sure any other trade works for the spurs.

I know, that’s why I said this Summer.

[SAGirl]

Wrong thread

[Ice009]

I wouldn't have thought Doc Rivers would want to trade Avery Bradley? Wasn't Doc in Boston when he Bradley was first drafted? I don't remember. If so, I thought Doc would have made the trade with Detroit to keep him.

If a trade is discussed and they do take Mills or DG or someone like that, I wonder if it's a ploy to recruit Kawhi.

[DPG21920]

Give me the truth DPG... how much is Bradley’s deal? If they aren’t dealing Patty then who else is reasonable?

Bradley makes just over 8M. He can’t be “combined” with another player in a deal so if you are assuming it’s straight up it’s Danny, Rudy or Mills. However when examined further, LAC is less than 1M from Luxury Tax so Mills for Bradley or Danny for Bradley would put them over. That leaves Gay.

But, the “combined with another player” rule can be circumvented by doing two concurrent deals so I don’t think that is an issue (or you can involve a third team to take Mills).

So maybe something like Mills + 1st RD Pick for Bradley in one trade.

Then Wes Johnson for Kyle Anderson in another trade.

Who knows though. The easiest path would be Rudy for Bradley but that doesn’t make any sense.

[Clipper Nation]

Bradley for Kawhi, final offer. Take it or leave it. :downspin: