The upside to this terrible team losing in the first round is that...

[Amuseddaysleeper]

It’ll hopefully force he Spurs FO to do a hard reset on this team as this injury prone and aging core isn’t going to cut it in today’s NBA.

[vander]

wishful thinking

[Robz4000]

You and I both know they'll double down on what they've been doing and further drag this team down into the mud. The only way anything changes is if PATFO is thrown out.

[cd98]

Can someone please make Pop stop watching CNN and start watching some game film?

[Darius Bieber]

We lost in the first round in 2015. Nothing happened. This team will always be straight trash - even more so when Kawhi gets smart and leaves to join an actual contender.

[Mal]

No way useless old farts are gone not on their own will. Gasol is pretty useless, Parker is done. Mills sucks. All will be here for long time. Meanwhile Forbes, Bertans will sign elsewhere

[NASpurs]

Can't even get a good first round/lottery pick because this team will be "good enough" but not good enough. Fucking NBA limbo.

[phxspurfan]

Sure, but gonna be hard as f to do that with Kawhi needing an extension and 2 albatross contracts + LMA already taking up lots of cap. Unless we can finagle a trade for one of the big bust contracts, best case scenario is replacement-level guys complimenting our Big 2 and more replacement level guys if Murray gets a deal (after his rookie contract) and skips town.

[duncan2150]

We need a trade, offcourse it will be better with kawhi but this bench is weak. I hope we could find a new home to patty mills.

[Mal]

Clearing cap space would be enough, but Parker, Green, Anderson are do for extension and will get them.

[timtonymanu]

Can't even get a good first round/lottery pick because this team will be "good enough" but not good enough. Fucking NBA limbo.

Pretty much

[TimDunkem]

PATFO will do nothing. They clearly believe that the gaggle of old men and one-dimensional scrubs around Kawhi and LA are good enough to get it done, and they'll continue to dish out loyalty contracts to make sure they lock them up. :lol

[dabom]

I bet OP 200 bucks we don't lose in the first round. Man up pussy. :lol

[dabom]

That goes for any of ya pussies too. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Remember when PATFO would let guys go when they outlived their usefulness?

[Hoops Czar]

The Spurs FO screwed up their cap space for the next 3 seasons. They can do nothing beyond handing out more terribly overpriced loyalty contracts to players thay already own the rights to.

[sananspursfan21]

This is why sometimes when I know there's no shot at a title, I root for the worst to happen. When the worst happens, even the most stubborn of FO's will make changes. I can feel those trade winds a blowin'! And Patty's trade eligibility is reinstated!!!!

[dbreiden83080]

We lost in the first round in 2015. Nothing happened. This team will always be straight trash - even more so when Kawhi gets smart and leaves to join an actual contender.

Where is he going? GS? Follow Lebron around? The Clips are still a 2nd rate organization, and the Lakers are basically owned by Lavar Ball these days.. I think he is comfortable in SA.. He has more pressing worries about his own durability..

[spurs10]

That goes for any of ya pussies too. :lol
Right on daboom! I sure am hearing a lot of crickets! :lol

[dbreiden83080]

This is why sometimes when I know there's no shot at a title, I root for the worst to happen. When the worst happens, even the most stubborn of FO's will make changes. I can feel those trade winds a blowin'! And Patty's trade eligibility is reinstated!!!!

I never view any season as a failure if you don't win a title unless you are just stacked like GS unfairly is.. Spurs had Duncan teams on paper for sure, looked good to win a title, but after the season was over, winning 57 plus games and a good playoff run, the season was not a failure. This should be the last ride for Manu, and Tony's deal is up. I do hope he is not re-signed at this point.

[HarlemHeat37]

The players on the roster aren't the only issue with this team, tbh..

[Robz4000]

^This. The coach has become a disgrace as well.

[HarlemHeat37]

^This. The coach has become a disgrace as well.

I don't have a problem with his coaching, but the direction Pop/RC have chosen to pursue(in regards to style of play) clearly warrants questioning of whether their mileage is showing IMO..

[tbdog]

The upside is a mvp candidate and dpoty.

[TD 21]

Yeah. Hopefully Leonard, before agreeing to the super max applies some pressure on the direction of the team going forward and makes it clear that he's not okay with essentially hoping Murray becomes a star and does so sooner than later. He's not a good enough prospect for them to waste the remainder of Aldridge's prime and a good portion of Leonard's on.


They may not have enough if Walker becomes available (best shot is probably Walker and Williams for Mills, Gay, Murray, 1st; which means pre July 1, when Gay likely opts out), but they sure as hell need to put on the full court press in pursuit.

[tholdren]

It’ll hopefully force he Spurs FO to do a hard reset on this team as this injury prone and aging core isn’t going to cut it in today’s NBA.

Sadly, it is. They're a top team in the west without a full roster. Goes to show how bad nba talent is. Just look at the big baller brand. The two younger brothers, top college prospects, cant even score in a f league overseas... all they can do is score, supposedly. Best basketball players not in nba due to todays fan wanting dunks, carrying, and 1 garbage, while being fooled.by media

[phxspurfan]

The players on the roster aren't the only issue with this team, tbh..


^This. The coach has become a disgrace as well.


Yeah. And the ATT's frozen margaritas are getting skimpier by the game, amirite


#SeattleSpurs

[DPG21920]

I don't have a problem with his coaching, but the direction Pop/RC have chosen to pursue(in regards to style of play) clearly warrants questioning of whether their mileage is showing IMO..

Does it really? Top 3 record in West without Kawhi. I'd say they made some smart decisions

[sananspursfan21]

I never view any season as a failure if you don't win a title unless you are just stacked like GS unfairly is.. Spurs had Duncan teams on paper for sure, looked good to win a title, but after the season was over, winning 57 plus games and a good playoff run, the season was not a failure. This should be the last ride for Manu, and Tony's deal is up. I do hope he is not re-signed at this point.

Right, neither do I but if it appears inevitable that there's no shot at a title or things are really going south, I'm ok with failure because it typically points to a problem and let's the FO know that something needs changed!!!!

I hope Manu plays til 50 tbh

[dabom]

Right on daboom! I sure am hearing a lot of crickets! :lol

A lot of talking but silence when you actually call them out. :lol

[spurs10]

A lot of talking but silence when you actually call them out. :lol :bobo

[MaNu4Tres]

Does it really? Top 3 record in West without Kawhi. I'd say they made some smart decisions

Love you bud. But I disagree. They do well in regular season with any group because of sheer discipline and execution on both ends. They can close their eyes and win 50 games because of how many dumb players and teams there are, too full of themselves to listen to instruction 100% of the time from their coaches. Regular season 3rd place ribbons aren't the objective and not too impressive. Its not a hard feet if discipline & execution are cemented in the foundation of the team -- which it has been for nearly 21 years.

The objective should be to win titles and in order to do that against the Warriors, they have to at least try to make adjustments in personnel & philosophy, instead of shrugging shoulders re- signing players who only have value in the lockeroom (Patty Mills). It's like Pop is content because there's more to life since basketball is " just a game, you win or lose and go home" to quote him. He rather be happy re signing his guys and taking care of them, than doing whatever it takes to give his team the best chance to beat GS.

There's posters, smart posters on this board, who are more passionate than he is about beating the Warriors and winning another championship.

[DPG21920]

Love you bud. But I disagree. They do well in regular season with any group because of sheer discipline and execution on both ends. They can close their eyes and win 50 games because of how many dumb players and teams there are, too full of themselves to listen to instruction 100% of the time from their coaches. Regular season 3rd place ribbons aren't the objective and not too impressive. Its not a hard feet if discipline & execution are cemented in the foundation of the team -- which it has been for nearly 21 years.

The objective should be to win titles and in order to do that against the Warriors, they have to at least try to make adjustments in personnel & philosophy, instead of shrugging shoulders re- signing players who only have value in the lockeroom (Patty Mills). It's like Pop is content because there's more to life since basketball is " just a game, you win or lose and go home" to quote him. He rather be happy re signing his guys and taking care of them, than doing whatever it takes to give his team the best chance to beat GS.

There's posters, smart posters on this board, who are more passionate than he is about beating the Warriors and winning another championship.

I get it. I really do. But things don’t happen in a vacuum and circumstance (and the benefit of hindsight) played a huge role all things considered.

SA had the same strategy last year (going big when everyone else went small) and they beat the run and gun Rockets and got all the way to the WCF. Winning titles is the goal obviously but they did a damn good job with an unpopular strategy and won a ton of games (not just the regular season variety either).

Beyond that, I dont think they were just content signing their old buddies. TP got injured really bad and Manu stringed them along with the retirement decision. Forbes/Murray, although we’ve seen them now, weren’t guarantees enough to blow things up.

With TP looking like his injury may end his career, Manu stringing SA along with retirement and the only players to fill the void being really unproven (even Murray today has zero offensive game), Mills became necessary. It sucks, especially now that Manu came back and looks great, TP came back early and Forbes/Murray look competent enough, but that was not what SA had the benefit of knowing when free agency came around.

They talked with Hill and smartly went a different way. They did everything they could to get Kyrie. Then they went for Rudy Gay and got him. They tried the best they could and got really unlucky with Manu/TP situation and being forced into signing Mills.

This was not some case of them not caring/trying but with salary cap contraints, bad luck (Manu/TP timing) and circumstance they did about as much as you could hope for IMO.

We know it’s not enough and it looks bad now because Kawhi can’t get healthy and Danny/Rudy have been in and out. But I think it’s really revisionist history and frustration vs truly evaluating the Spurs strategy. The strategy has been very solid and so have the results.

[dabom]

I get it. I really do. But things don’t happen in a vacuum and circumstance (and the benefit of hindsight) played a huge role all things considered.

SA had the same strategy last year (going big when everyone else went small) and they beat the run and gun Rockets and got all the way to the WCF. Winning titles is the goal obviously but they did a damn good job with an unpopular strategy and won a ton of games (not just the regular season variety either).

Beyond that, I dont think they were just content signing their old buddies. TP got injured really bad and Manu stringed them along with the retirement decision. Forbes/Murray, although we’ve seen them now, weren’t guarantees enough to blow things up.

With TP looking like his injury may end his career, Manu stringing SA along with retirement and the only players to fill the void being really unproven (even Murray today has zero offensive game), Mills became necessary. It sucks, especially now that Manu came back and looks great, TP came back early and Forbes/Murray look competent enough, but that was not what SA had the benefit of knowing when free agency came around.

They talked with Hill and smartly went a different way. They did everything they could to get Kyrie. Then they went for Rudy Gay and got him. They tried the best they could and got really unlucky with Manu/TP situation and being forced into signing Mills.

This was not some case of them not caring/trying but with salary cap contraints, bad luck (Manu/TP timing) and circumstance they did about as much as you could hope for IMO.

We know it’s not enough and it looks bad now because Kawhi can’t get healthy and Danny/Rudy have been in and out. But I think it’s really revisionist history and frustration vs truly evaluating the Spurs strategy. The strategy has been very solid and so have the results.

Did you turn into a pornstar bro? You going in. :lol

[ElNono]

The worry is that you get caught up in that shitty middle where you're good enough to make the playoffs, but realistically are 1st or 2nd round fodder, even if other teams suffer injuries/suspensions.

I don't know the Spurs are there right now, but they're certainly close. The question then is where you go from there? Can the Spurs afford tanking? How long? Can they move some pieces to lift them up? What pieces?

There's no easy answers, tbh

[DPG21920]

The worry is that you get caught up in that shitty middle where you're good enough to make the playoffs, but realistically are 1st or 2nd round fodder, even if other teams suffer injuries/suspensions.

I don't know the Spurs are there right now, but they're certainly close. The question then is where you go from there? Can the Spurs afford tanking? How long? Can they move some pieces to lift them up? What pieces?

There's no easy answers, tbh

Especially when the team cannot be properly evaluated due to injury. They have same WCF team as last year but added Rudy Gay and got improvements from Murray/Forbes/Kyle and a better Pau/Manu too.

[Darius Bieber]

The worry is that you get caught up in that shitty middle where you're good enough to make the playoffs, but realistically are 1st or 2nd round fodder, even if other teams suffer injuries/suspensions.

I don't know the Spurs are there right now, but they're certainly close. The question then is where you go from there? Can the Spurs afford tanking? How long? Can they move some pieces to lift them up? What pieces?

There's no easy answers, tbh


As much as I advocate tanking and want them to tank and regroup like the Sixers did, I don’t think it’s possible. Look at the AT&T Center. It’s basically empty even when the Spurs were first in the league. Could you imagine how dead it would be if they were last? Would be just like Stars games, with the same result. They’d relocate to Seattle or Vegas to keep it profitable.

[MaNu4Tres]

Especially when the team cannot be properly evaluated due to injury. They have same WCF team as last year but added Rudy Gay and got improvements from Murray/Forbes/Kyle and a better Pau/Manu too.

I agree overall to your previous post but I guess a lot of my criticism is stemmed from how they decided to bring Patty back for 4 years for 50 million when they had other short term & cheaper options that would have allowed them to: A) bring stability to the back court at least to bridge them over a year until the smoke cleared regarding TP/ Murray/ Forbes/ White.B) Would have allowed them optimized their financial resources & flexibility for better options to add to Kawhi in the upcoming offseasons.

That decision seemed like a complacency & emotional move to me more than anything else. If it was about the lockeroom & culture, they could have scratched that itch in other cheaper ways.

[DPG21920]

I agree overall to your previous post but I guess a lot of my criticism is stemmed from how they decided to bring Patty back for 4 years when they had other options that would have allowed them to: A) bring stability to the back court at least to bridge them over a year until the smoke cleared regarding TP/ Murray/ Forbes/ White.B) Wpuld have allowed them optimized their financial resources & flexibility for better options to add to Kawhi in the upcoming offseasons.

It definitely looks bad right now and maybe they should have known better but even today Murray/Forbes aren't playing well enough (even though they are playing better than Mills)

[MaNu4Tres]

It definitely looks bad right now and maybe they should have known better but even today Murray/Forbes aren't playing well enough (even though they are playing better than Mills)

It looked bad 6 months ago tbh..

Look at all the PGs this past summer who only got 1+1 deals at best.

Even George Hill only got 2 guaranteed years.

[SAGirl]

It looked bad 6 months ago tbh..

Look at all the PGs this past summer who only got 1+1 deals at best.

Even George Hill only got 2 guaranteed years.

I think Kyle, Davis and Bryn will end up with moderate deals and maybe even 1 and 1 deals too the way this market is looking, unless they go in some epic crusade in the playoffs and open some eyes around the league, which is unlikely bc they won't play enough or get enough shots to make that case. Bryn and Davis are offensive players who would need enough shots to really impress you with what they can do. Kyle's case isn't scoring in bunches, so he'd need sufficient playing time to impact a game in other ways and show you what he can do too.

To state his case JSimms needed a ton of injuries in the playoffs. He still got a moderate contract with 2 seasons guaranteed, the 3rd season is a minor guarantee.

Spurs panicked with Mills as you said, emotional signing... etc.

[DAF86]

It definitely looks bad right now and maybe they should have known better but even today Murray/Forbes aren't playing well enough (even though they are playing better than Mills)

The Mills and Pau signings were bad signings from the begginning. People here called it since day one.

Even if Pau and Mills play well those signings are bad and will always be bad because we compromised our future cap flexibility with two players that are unplayable vs Golden State when it matters.

[DAF86]

And it will be even worse after this season when Tony gets a contract similar to what Patty got.

[MaNu4Tres]

I think Kyle, Davis and Bryn will end up with moderate deals and maybe even 1 and 1 deals too the way this market is looking, unless they go in some epic crusade in the playoffs and open some eyes around the league, which is unlikely bc they won't play enough or get enough shots to make that case. Bryn and Davis are offensive players who would need enough shots to really impress you with what they can do. Kyle's case isn't scoring in bunches, so he'd need sufficient playing time to impact a game in other ways and show you what he can do too.

To state his case JSimms needed a ton of injuries in the playoffs. He still got a moderate contract with 2 seasons guaranteed, the 3rd season is a minor guarantee.

Spurs panicked with Mills as you said, emotional signing... etc.

The Mills deal was a double gut punch, because not only did they massively overpay and decrease potential cap space by 11-12 million in future summers, but it also cock blocked the best prospects the Spurs have -- who all happen to play the positions Patty plays ( shorter combo wing or guards who are best defending PGs, not bigger wings -- like Patty ). Murray & Forbes have shown they can be just as effective or more effective as Patty but they need injuries for them to get any minutes. Will it be like that another 2-4 years now?

[dabom]

Patty is making 1/11 the total team salary. The Spurs aren't compromising shit. Some Y2k shit here. :lol

[dabom]

A lot of people here don't know what it takes to run a fucking team. :lol

[dabom]

You're not getting better value for that shit from any other player. Also part of the best 2 man unit for the Spurs. :lol

[DAF86]

You're not getting better value for that shit from any other player. Also part of the best 2 man unit for the Spurs. :lol

You know you and Patty are my niggas son. But Forbes this season is providing what Mills can provide for 1/10 of the money. And if you combine Mills and Pau's salaries per year is enough to sign a star player, or at least two or three role players that are more useful against Golden State.

[dabom]

You know you and Patty are my niggas son. But Forbes this season is providing what Mills can provide for 1/10 of the money. And if you combine Mills and Pau's salaries per year is enough to sign a star player, or at least two or three role players that are more useful against Golden State.

Forbes hasn't proven shit for anything. You should know that. :lol

Spurs aren't gonna hang their Championship Aspirations on forbes. :lol

[dabom]

The Spurs had money to get their players when Pau haden't signed yet. They didn't find anything in the market.

People acting like the Spurs could magically find better fit players. :lmao

Patty is still underpaid and people still bitching. :lmao

[SAGirl]

And it will be even worse after this season when Tony gets a contract similar to what Patty got.
I don't know how they can justify that. In hindsight Tony has been injured a lot. At least Patty has played a lot of games each year.

[dabom]

Kawhi 9 games injured for a whole half season.

derrick got injured early on in the season

tony been injured half the season

Joff injured some

Green injured a bit

Gay got injured

Manu injured a bit

Kyle injured some too

Brandon had a groin injury earlier

Bertans was injured in the beginning of the season


Patty has been holding it down all fucking year. Ya pussies should complain about other bullshit before ya come at MVPatty. :lol

[SAGirl]

Agreed with DAbom On this though ^
The team has had a lot of injuries... They will be much better at some point.

Manu just got injured too. If he plays 15 minutes in that game I am sure they pull It Off.

[Fireball]

but dabom is what? 10 years old? he does not have 200 bucks ...

[BackHome]

I am bored with this team it’s time to tank.

[phxspurfan]

The Spurs had money to get their players when Pau haden't signed yet. They didn't find anything in the market.

People acting like the Spurs could magically find better fit players. :lmao

Patty is still underpaid and people still bitching. :lmao

?? No equivalent or better players out there last summer?

Gerald Green says hello. RJ Hunter says hello. I'm pretty sure Tedosic says hello. The entire Clippers G-league roster in fact says hello.

So many better replacement level dudes out there. Ish Smith...Rodney Stuckey...fuckin Ben Mclemore... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2670634-ben-mclemore-grizzlies-reportedly-agree-to-2-year-107-million-contract

I keep finding more... MCW... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718442-michael-carter-williams-hornets-reportedly-agree-to-terms-on-contract

Jose Calderon...Ray Felton...Jodie Meeks...Langston Gallaway...Jamal crawford https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/6/30/15897582/2017-nba-free-agency-signings-tracker


Pretty much all of these guys got like 7-8mil 1-2 year deals. Perfect for our situation. Spurs FO royally fucked up. This is totally our problem for 3 more years. Mills was a known commodity, as he has been here for like 3-4 years. He's not getting better, he is what he is: a spark plug offense-first PG off the bench. Lacks size to play good defense. Lacks court vision to be a great PG. Not arguing that any of the above guys are the next coming of Jason Kidd, but damn we overpaid their Spurs equivalent.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

?? No equivalent or better players out there last summer?

Gerald Green says hello. RJ Hunter says hello. I'm pretty sure Tedosic says hello. The entire Clippers G-league roster in fact says hello.

So many better replacement level dudes out there. Ish Smith...Rodney Stuckey...fuckin Ben Mclemore... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2670634-ben-mclemore-grizzlies-reportedly-agree-to-2-year-107-million-contract

I keep finding more... MCW... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718442-michael-carter-williams-hornets-reportedly-agree-to-terms-on-contract

Jose Calderon...Ray Felton...Jodie Meeks...Langston Gallaway...Jamal crawford https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/6/30/15897582/2017-nba-free-agency-signings-tracker


Pretty much all of these guys got like 7-8mil 1-2 year deals. Perfect for our situation. Spurs FO royally fucked up. This is totally our problem for 3 more years. Mills was a known commodity, as he has been here for like 3-4 years. He's not getting better, he is what he is: a spark plug offense-first PG off the bench. Lacks size to play good defense. Lacks court vision to be a great PG. Not arguing that any of the above guys are the next coming of Jason Kidd, but damn we overpaid their Spurs equivalent.


Amen. This “Spurs Culture” thing is dead now, no major FA’s want to come here. A majority of the legit teams out West improves except for SA who are getting worse and worse as the season goes on.

[DeRozan m8]

Its amazing we are 3rd in the West, because this is a boring ass season as a Spurs fan.

Whole thing seems pointless, almost.

[Stabula]

Aww poor widdle babies so upset after a loss :cry

We've had a perpetually injured core all season and still the third best in the West you dumb fucks :lmao

[BackHome]

It doesn’t matter everyone knows we have ZERO chance this year.

[DeRozan m8]

Aww poor widdle babies so upset after a loss :cry

We've had a perpetually injured core all season and still the third best in the West you dumb fucks :lmao

Yep, and we still have no chance and roll out boring line ups half the time, you passive, mediocre approving fuck

[BillMc]

Right on daboom! I sure am hearing a lot of crickets! :lol

+1

[Stabula]

Yep, and we still have no chance and roll out boring line ups half the time, you passive, mediocre approving fuck

Passive? No one here has any power over what direction this team goes, you're living in a pathetic fantasy world. Control your emotions and recognize this team has done quite well in spite of the massive setbacks its had in terms of injuries and stop being so pitiful when last game the Spurs were completely dominant.

[r0drig0lac]

the contract signed at 00:01 on the first day was a ridiculous decision, but Pau Gasol's three-year contract is even worse.

[dabom]

?? No equivalent or better players out there last summer?

Gerald Green says hello. RJ Hunter says hello. I'm pretty sure Tedosic says hello. The entire Clippers G-league roster in fact says hello.

So many better replacement level dudes out there. Ish Smith...Rodney Stuckey...fuckin Ben Mclemore... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2670634-ben-mclemore-grizzlies-reportedly-agree-to-2-year-107-million-contract

I keep finding more... MCW... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718442-michael-carter-williams-hornets-reportedly-agree-to-terms-on-contract

Jose Calderon...Ray Felton...Jodie Meeks...Langston Gallaway...Jamal crawford https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/6/30/15897582/2017-nba-free-agency-signings-tracker


Pretty much all of these guys got like 7-8mil 1-2 year deals. Perfect for our situation. Spurs FO royally fucked up. This is totally our problem for 3 more years. Mills was a known commodity, as he has been here for like 3-4 years. He's not getting better, he is what he is: a spark plug offense-first PG off the bench. Lacks size to play good defense. Lacks court vision to be a great PG. Not arguing that any of the above guys are the next coming of Jason Kidd, but damn we overpaid their Spurs equivalent.

You don't know shit about anything pussy bitch. :lol

[Spur|n|Austin]

:lol losing in the first round? So emo, GTFOH

[spurs10]

:lol losing in the first round? So emo, GTFOH :lol

[Spur|n|Austin]

Just a reminder that in 2015 through 45 games Spurs were 28-17. This season they're 29-16. Multiple injuries both seasons, and this season Spurs have only had their team healthy for ONE game.

[phxspurfan]

You don't know shit about anything pussy bitch. :lol

:lol

[dbreiden83080]

Right, neither do I but if it appears inevitable that there's no shot at a title or things are really going south, I'm ok with failure because it typically points to a problem and let's the FO know that something needs changed!!!!

I hope Manu plays til 50 tbh

No issue with Manu playing another year. But Tony needs to be moved on. No emotional signing Pop. It is time.

[DPG21920]

No issue with Manu playing another year. But Tony needs to be moved on. No emotional signing Pop. It is time.

I would hold off on the TP talk. He pretty obvious looks like he’s coasting. Now, we know that we can’t probably expect what we saw in the playoffs last year from him, but I feel pretty confident that he will be much better if he’s healthy going into the playoffs than we see now.

[TD 21]

So much for that. Now they can pretend their demise was all due to injuries as opposed to addressing starting PG and style of play.


I would hold off on the TP talk. He pretty obvious looks like he’s coasting. Now, we know that we can’t probably expect what we saw in the playoffs last year from him, but I feel pretty confident that he will be much better if he’s healthy going into the playoffs than we see now.

Why would a guy who missed as much time as he did, busted his ass to get back as soon as he did, doesn't play that much and sees his team drowning without anyone who can create off the dribble, be coasting?

[DPG21920]

So much for that. Now they can pretend their demise was all due to injuries as opposed to addressing starting PG and style of play.



Why would a guy who missed as much time as he did, busted his ass to get back as soon as he did, doesn't play that much and sees his team drowning without anyone who can create off the dribble, be coasting?

Because the goal is to be healthy and playing your best ball in the PO. Spurs are not drowning. They are doing better than the T-Wolves whom everyone is slobbering over and that is without their best player.

[TD 21]

Because the goal is to be healthy and playing your best ball in the PO. Spurs are not drowning. They are doing better than the T-Wolves whom everyone is slobbering over and that is without their best player.

Like I alluded to, he's barely played, there's less than half a season to go and the days of him playing 35-40 mpg in the playoffs are long gone.

They are absolutely drowning. The fattened up on a weak early schedule and played with vigor due to Aldridge's resurgence and the notion that the cavalry was on the way. With the promise of the latter gone, they've clearly become demoralized. Meanwhile, Timberwolves had basically a whole new team and are only getting stronger.

[DPG21920]

Like I alluded to, he's barely played, there's less than half a season to go and the days of him playing 35-40 mpg in the playoffs are long gone.

They are absolutely drowning. The fattened up on a weak schedule early and played with vigor due to Aldridge's resurgence and the notion that the cavalry was on the way. With the promise of the latter gone, they've clearly become demoralized. Meanwhile, Timberwolves had basically a whole new team and are only getting stronger.

Bruh - the defense has been tops in the league even without Kawhi and Danny. The offense is struggling but they can fall back on top notch defense which wins.

That “strong” wolves team just lost to ORL.

[TD 21]

Bruh - the defense has been tops in the league even without Kawhi and Danny. The offense is struggling but they can fall back on top notch defense which wins.

That “strong” wolves team just lost to ORL.

The road offense is 29th and their percentage of shots between the paint and 3 is bottom 5. Even healthy, this is an archaic outfit, that lacks a third star / starting PG. Defense doesn't win; balance does and in this era, an explosive offense is slightly more important.

Law of averages. One team overdue to lose, the other overdue to win.

[DPG21920]

The road offense is 29th and their percentage of shots between the paint and 3 is bottom 5. Even healthy, this is an archaic outfit, that lacks a third star / starting PG. Defense doesn't win; balance does and in this era, an explosive offense is slightly more important.

Law of averages. One team overdue to lose, the other overdue to win.

Well, if you are talking about SA staying top 3 in the West? Sure, they could regress there. But missing the playoffs?

[Robz4000]

Well, if you are talking about SA staying top 3 in the West? Sure, they could regress there. But missing the playoffs?

At this point it's obvious they won't miss the playoffs. They'll end up as the 6/7th seed though and get bounced in 5 games.

[TD 21]

Well, if you are talking about SA staying top 3 in the West? Sure, they could regress there. But missing the playoffs?

Neither. Drowning = Virtually every game is a colossal struggle offensively. Given that and other reasons stated, I don't buy that Parker is coasting.

More likely, he came back playing on adrenaline, excitement and fresh legs and as the that all inevitably waned, reality (being overmatched and miscast as a starter at this point) set in.

[SAGirl]

Neither. Drowning = Virtually every game is a colossal struggle offensively. Given that and other reasons stated, I don't buy that Parker is coasting.

More likely, he came back playing on adrenaline, excitement and fresh legs and as the that all inevitably waned, reality (being overmatched and miscast as a starter at this point) set in.

Absolutely. I don't think they can afford for Tony to be coasting at this point. They clearly need scoring without Kawhi and Rudy (who was one of their leading scorers). There is no reason right now for Tony to be scoring in single digits on bad efficiency other than he's simply done.

He better wake up and do what he can.

[MaNu4Tres]

Absolutely. I don't think they can afford for Tony to be coasting at this point. They clearly need scoring without Kawhi and Rudy (who was one of their leading scorers). There is no reason right now for Tony to be scoring in single digits on bad efficiency other than he's simply done.

He better wake up and do what he can.

Spurs fans really thought Tony was back after his flash in the pan/ lightning in a bottle 5 games vs. Memphis. It was nothing more than a flash in the pan. Expecting that from Tony, when he hasn't been close to that consistently in 4 years, is pretty foolish.

People don't realize, Spurs are only 5 games away from 9th in the West. They had a very comfy schedule the first half of the season, and have the hardest schedule remaining. This team has the lowest point differential they've ever had since pre Duncan 96-97' (they are severely handicapped on offense as they lack a solid/heavy volume PnR creator).

They could miss the playoffs and I wouldn't be surprised.

[MaNu4Tres]

The road offense is 29th and their percentage of shots between the paint and 3 is bottom 5. Even healthy, this is an archaic outfit, that lacks a third star / starting PG. Defense doesn't win; balance does and in this era, an explosive offense is slightly more important.

Law of averages. One team overdue to lose, the other overdue to win.

Whats sad is the regular season defensive metric doesn't really mean a damn thing for the playoffs. Sure it's nice to see and gives some clarity to a small degree. But there's so many dumb, undisciplined teams throughout the league where defensive numbers can be inflated because Spurs are probably the most consistent and detailed team when it comes to discipline alone. What matters more than DEF RTG is how the Spurs are able to defend the best teams in the playoffs. Spurs can't afford or get away with playing Tony or Patty against the best teams in a 7 game series. Those teams exploit them like 90% of teams don't do during the long 82 game season. So what may seem what worked in the regular season ( getting by playing Tony or Patty), is somewhat fools gold when it matters most.

[mexicanjunior]

Spurs fans really thought Tony was back after his flash in the pan/ lightning in a bottle 5 games vs. Memphis. It was nothing more than a flash in the pan. Expecting that from Tony, when he hasn't been close to that consistently in 4 years, is pretty foolish.

People don't realize, Spurs are only 5 games away from 9th in the West. They had a very comfy schedule the first half of the season, and have the hardest schedule remaining. This team has the lowest point differential they've ever had since pre Duncan 96-97' (they are severely handicapped on offense as they lack a solid/heavy volume PnR creator).

They could miss the playoffs and I wouldn't be surprised.

I would prefer that tbh...

[Pavlov]

As much as I advocate tanking and want them to tank and regroup like the Sixers did, I don’t think it’s possible. Look at the AT&T Center. It’s basically empty even when the Spurs were first in the league. Could you imagine how dead it would be if they were last? Would be just like Stars games, with the same result. They’d relocate to Seattle or Vegas to keep it profitable.Still profitable since they basically get most of the revenue from all the non-rodeo events.

And if they move anywhere, they'll just go up the road to Austin.

[DPG21920]

TP looks fine physically all things considered. He’s not good enough to save the team from all offensive woes, but between managed minutes and how he’s playing I truly do believe he will be better in the playoffs.

Elite? Probably not, but better than he’s showing. I very well could be wrong but that’s what I”’m seeing.

[DPG21920]

Whats sad is the regular season defensive metric doesn't really mean a damn thing for the playoffs. Sure it's nice to see and gives some clarity to a small degree. But there's so many dumb, undisciplined teams throughout the league where defensive numbers can be inflated because Spurs are probably the most consistent and detailed team when it comes to discipline alone. What matters more than DEF RTG is how the Spurs are able to defend the best teams in the playoffs. Spurs can't afford or get away with playing Tony or Patty against the best teams in a 7 game series. Those teams exploit them like 90% of teams don't do during the long 82 game season. So what may seem what worked in the regular season ( getting by playing Tony or Patty), is somewhat fools gold when it matters most.

No one is defending GS or HOU to elite levels, but almost every other team SA has shown they can defend. But ya, playoff teams, especially in the West are damn good offensively. Of course it’s harder. Without Kawhi and Danny fully healthy it’s going to be a struggle because they are great teams.

But for the regular season these guys are doing a damn good job on defense and it should not be mocked or taken for granted IMO