Spurs announce Kawhi out indefinitely

[Dre_7]

How did this turn into kawhi is lying?

You said Kawhi felt his injury has been mismanaged since last year. Kawhi said the injury wasn't from last year.

[ernest787]

Last year could refer to the summer at this point. It's also possible that Miller said since the summer.

I think the bigger point is that he's suggesting there is a disconnect between kawhi and the spurs regarding his treatment and injury tto the point that kawhi is not using the spurs doctors.

I'm trying to see if I can find the segment online but I'm coming up short at this point.

[Dex]

You said Kawhi felt his injury has been mismanaged since last year. Kawhi said the injury wasn't from last year.
ernest787 didn't say anything. He repeated what he heard from a source, who repeated what he heard from another source, who repeated something he heard from any number of sources.

We have no idea if any of this has a shred of validity.

[Dre_7]

ernest787 didn't say anything. He repeated what he heard from a source, who repeated what he heard from another source, who repeated something he heard from any number of sources.

We have no idea if any of this has a shred of validity.

That is what I meant. His OP was about what Miller said. I thought that was understood.

[Dre_7]

We have no idea if any of this has a shred of validity.

Exactly

[Dre_7]

Last year could refer to the summer at this point. It's also possible that Miller said since the summer.

I think the bigger point is that he's suggesting there is a disconnect between kawhi and the spurs regarding his treatment and injury tto the point that kawhi is not using the spurs doctors.

I'm trying to see if I can find the segment online but I'm coming up short at this point.

I am not trying to sound like I am critical of you and apologize if it sounds that way. I think we all are on edge due to our team's best player being hurt. I have searched online for it as well with no luck.

[hater]

Lol ppl really believing Kawhi is using his own drs and not Spirs docs??? :lmao

No wonder masses believe the Russia hoax


Kawhu MIGHT have gotten a 2nd opinion but he is using team docs

Jesus

[daslicer]

I can't be angry at the way the Spurs have managed this injury since it's an injury that can't be healed through surgery. I have just read up on the injury and from all the sources I have read there is no treatment other than rest. If you want to learn more about Kawhi's injury go click on this link https://www.epainassist.com/sports-injuries/knee-injuries/quadriceps-tendinopathy

[Dre_7]

Lol ppl really believing Kawhi is using his own drs and not Spirs docs??? :lmao

No wonder masses believe the Russia hoax


Kawhu MIGHT have gotten a 2nd opinion but he is using team docs

Jesus

Oh he definitely got a 2nd opinion, I believe. That sounds like something that is very common in sports. Especially with an injury like this. I was talking with a few PTs (I work with and know a lot of PTs) and there is a lot of new research regarding Tendinopathy in the past few years. Obviously, none of them have treated Kawhi but based on conversations with them I am confidant that if it is just Tendinopathy that he will be 100% and that shutting him down for the pain that he is reported as having is the right step.

[Dre_7]

Also, I am just going to bite my tongue on that "hoax" line :lol

[coachmac87]

I’m confused on the possible disagreement with Spurs/Kawhi regarding treatment of injury..

Any tendinitis injury isn’t easily fixed or solved. The Spurs cautious approach is exactly how you would want to treat this injury..coming back sooner or playing more minutes won’t help the injury. I don’t think it has anything to do with dealing with currents injury..

I’ve stated this many times but IMO this became a problem during his rehab for the ankle in offseason....there was obviously a hiccup there. Spurs first comments were that his rehab took unexpected turns and taking longer then expected...

We then find out later it’s not the ankle but a “quad” after the fact spurs can’t hide a guy rehabbing an ankle injury for the entire summer and 1st quarter of season.


Something happened in rehab. The question is what and why? And is there really anyone to blame??

[TheDoctor]

Last year could refer to the summer at this point. It's also possible that Miller said since the summer.

I think the bigger point is that he's suggesting there is a disconnect between kawhi and the spurs regarding his treatment and injury tto the point that kawhi is not using the spurs doctors.

I'm trying to see if I can find the segment online but I'm coming up short at this point.
I don’t believe this Miller Light guy. As weaksauce as the beer. Most probably his source was Jeff McDonald and we all know what that means.

[sasaint]

I don’t believe this Miller Light guy. As weaksauce as the beer. Most probably his source was Jeff McDonald and we all know what that means.

:lol Agreed. I never swallow light beer.

[SpursforSix]

I don’t believe this Miller Light guy. As weaksauce as the beer. Most probably his source was Jeff McDonald and we all know what that means.

I hope you're right. But Miller is extremely thoughtful about what he says. He's the exact opposite of a sportstalk blowhard.

I don't think I've ever heard him throw out anything just for a talking point.

[dbreiden83080]

It has never been disclosed exactly when and how he injured it as far as I know...
but I dug up this news report from that first interview Kawhi himself gave to let the fans and media know he was soon to come back to play...
see for yourself:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2017/12/04/leonard-returning-soon-but-no-target-set-for-season-debut/108320142/

1. First of all, he said the injury,

2. He also said,

And that is why none of it makes sense. No competitive basketball at least NBA basketball for months.. Just resting and staying in shape and he comes into camp injured. I don't recall anything like this ever happening? If this is an injury in the off season you are told WTF happened? Broke your foot playing 5 on 5, injured in the weight room, fell down a slope when skiing something? Wear and Tear?? In the offseason and you are 26. Fucking nuts..

[SAGirl]

And that is why none of it makes sense. No competitive basketball at least NBA basketball for months.. Just resting and staying in shape and he comes into camp injured. I don't recall anything like this ever happening? If this is an injury in the off season you are told WTF happened? Broke your foot playing 5 on 5, injured in the weight room, fell down a slope when skiing something? Wear and Tear?? In the offseason and you are 26. Fucking nuts..
from a link someone posted... I am not in the medical field and don't pretend to know... have merely cited what Pop and Kawhi himself said about the injury... but someone posted this link:

Since the pain usually develops slowly over time, this injury is considered as an overuse type injury rather an injury of sudden onset. Middle aged athletes and athletes involved with weightlifting are more prone to this type of injury due to excessive strain placed on the muscle insertion when they do deep squats (https://www.epainassist.com/fitness-and-exercise/how-to-do-squats-and-what-are-its-benefits).
https://www.epainassist.com/sports-injuries/knee-injuries/quadriceps-tendinopathy
there's more you can learn through your own search

[tholdren]

Lol at this terrible thread of speculation

[lefty20]

from a link someone posted... I am not in the medical field and don't pretend to know... have merely cited what Pop and Kawhi himself said about the injury... but someone posted this link:

https://www.epainassist.com/sports-injuries/knee-injuries/quadriceps-tendinopathy
there's more you can learn through your own search

It's fucking depressing to think that this is happening to a 26 yr old :pctoss

[tholdren]

It's fucking depressing to think that this is happening to a 26 yr old :pctoss

Needed more rest

[bic50]

And that is why none of it makes sense. No competitive basketball at least NBA basketball for months.. Just resting and staying in shape and he comes into camp injured. I don't recall anything like this ever happening? If this is an injury in the off season you are told WTF happened? Broke your foot playing 5 on 5, injured in the weight room, fell down a slope when skiing something? Wear and Tear?? In the offseason and you are 26. Fucking nuts..
Probably from training.

[cjw]

I am not trying to sound like I am critical of you and apologize if it sounds that way. I think we all are on edge due to our team's best player being hurt. I have searched online for it as well with no luck.

Maybe Miller was purely speculating & painting a strawman? The way the NBA is covered, amazed nobody nationally has run the story to ground.

[dbreiden83080]

from a link someone posted... I am not in the medical field and don't pretend to know... have merely cited what Pop and Kawhi himself said about the injury... but someone posted this link:

https://www.epainassist.com/sports-injuries/knee-injuries/quadriceps-tendinopathy
there's more you can learn through your own search

Crazy. I am starting to fear this is like a Penny Hardaway. Knee injury that seemed minor turned into a nightmare that derailed his career. Hoping for a better outcome..

[dbreiden83080]

Probably from training.

He is only 26. All great athletes, especially the all time greats have a huge training regimen. Kobe, MJ, Jerry Rice all legendary for off-season regimens. Timmy's commitment to his diet and training kept him playing at an elite level until he was nearly 40. This seems rare and scary since he is so young. Spurs have to hold onto him obviously and HOPE next year he will come back to what he was. Only thing they can do..

[cd98]

Bad luck. Just bad luck. The problem is the Spurs are willing to play for a top 4 seed when the rest of the NBA would tank with their best player out. I’d be interested to know if the injury will ever go away with rest. My guess is no.

[Dre_7]

Crazy. I am starting to fear this is like a Penny Hardaway. Knee injury that seemed minor turned into a nightmare that derailed his career. Hoping for a better outcome..

I don't think it'll turn into a Penny situation because I don't think the Spurs will let that happen. One of the reasons Penny ended up the way he did was because he was feeling pain and told the team doctors. When they didn't find any damage they told him that the pain was in his head and to keep playing. so he continued to play through the pain until he needed microfracture surgery. The Spurs are being cautious with Kawhi, the exact opposite of what the Magic did with Penny (btw, the Magic also contributed to Grant Hill's ankle issues). Kawhi has only played 9 games this year so he should end up being fine as long as they are cautious. Based on the things I have heard from people in the medical field about tendinopathy the Spurs are handling this exactly right. Sucks as a fan not getting to see him on the court but I want him healthy for the long run.

[hater]

Bad luck. Just bad luck. The problem is the Spurs are willing to play for a top 4 seed when the rest of the NBA would tank with their best player out. I’d be interested to know if the injury will ever go away with rest. My guess is no.

Bad luck? If the fears realize this is much worse than Grant Hill, Greg Oden and Brandon Roy pit together

Its fucking voodoo shit

[UZER]

Kawhi definitely out indefinitely.

[Seventyniner]

I don't think it'll turn into a Penny situation because I don't think the Spurs will let that happen. One of the reasons Penny ended up the way he did was because he was feeling pain and told the team doctors. When they didn't find any damage they told him that the pain was in his head and to keep playing. so he continued to play through the pain until he needed microfracture surgery. The Spurs are being cautious with Kawhi, the exact opposite of what the Magic did with Penny (btw, the Magic also contributed to Grant Hill's ankle issues). Kawhi has only played 9 games this year so he should end up being fine as long as they are cautious. Based on the things I have heard from people in the medical field about tendinopathy the Spurs are handling this exactly right. Sucks as a fan not getting to see him on the court but I want him healthy for the long run.

:toast

[BillMc]

I don't think it'll turn into a Penny situation because I don't think the Spurs will let that happen. One of the reasons Penny ended up the way he did was because he was feeling pain and told the team doctors. When they didn't find any damage they told him that the pain was in his head and to keep playing. so he continued to play through the pain until he needed microfracture surgery. The Spurs are being cautious with Kawhi, the exact opposite of what the Magic did with Penny (btw, the Magic also contributed to Grant Hill's ankle issues). Kawhi has only played 9 games this year so he should end up being fine as long as they are cautious. Based on the things I have heard from people in the medical field about tendinopathy the Spurs are handling this exactly right. Sucks as a fan not getting to see him on the court but I want him healthy for the long run.

Well said.

[Dex]

I don't think it'll turn into a Penny situation because I don't think the Spurs will let that happen. One of the reasons Penny ended up the way he did was because he was feeling pain and told the team doctors. When they didn't find any damage they told him that the pain was in his head and to keep playing. so he continued to play through the pain until he needed microfracture surgery. The Spurs are being cautious with Kawhi, the exact opposite of what the Magic did with Penny (btw, the Magic also contributed to Grant Hill's ankle issues). Kawhi has only played 9 games this year so he should end up being fine as long as they are cautious. Based on the things I have heard from people in the medical field about tendinopathy the Spurs are handling this exactly right. Sucks as a fan not getting to see him on the court but I want him healthy for the long run.

:clap

[Ice009]

I don't think it'll turn into a Penny situation because I don't think the Spurs will let that happen. One of the reasons Penny ended up the way he did was because he was feeling pain and told the team doctors. When they didn't find any damage they told him that the pain was in his head and to keep playing. so he continued to play through the pain until he needed microfracture surgery. The Spurs are being cautious with Kawhi, the exact opposite of what the Magic did with Penny (btw, the Magic also contributed to Grant Hill's ankle issues). Kawhi has only played 9 games this year so he should end up being fine as long as they are cautious. Based on the things I have heard from people in the medical field about tendinopathy the Spurs are handling this exactly right. Sucks as a fan not getting to see him on the court but I want him healthy for the long run.

Did you follow the Penny situation closely? I would if there is a video or interview where Penny explains what happened. I used to be a fan of his back in the day. Not really a Shaq fan, or a fan of the Magic, just a Penny fan only.

[Russ]

Did you follow the Penny situation closely? I would if there is a video or interview where Penny explains what happened. I used to be a fan of his back in the day. Not really a Shaq fan, or a fan of the Magic, just a Penny fan only.

The Penny situation is not nearly as analogous as the Bill Walton/Portland situation.

Why? Because Kawhi is a champion (Finals MVP) like Walton and a team leader (by example). Not a never-was like Penny in a finger-pointing organization that never won anything.

Here is an SI article from 1978 -- the potential similarities are a bit scary (although Kawhi's possible disenchantment remains uncorroborated).

https://www.si.com/vault/1978/08/21/822902/off-on-a-wronged-foot-bill-walton-quit-the-blazers-after-a-dispute-over-team-medical-policy-and-headed-for-golden-state

[Dre_7]

Did you follow the Penny situation closely? I would if there is a video or interview where Penny explains what happened. I used to be a fan of his back in the day. Not really a Shaq fan, or a fan of the Magic, just a Penny fan only.

Yes I was a huge Penny fan back in the day. He explained the situation in a really interesting article. Either he wrote it or was interviewed. Going to look for it right now and will post it as soon as I find it.

[Dre_7]

Did you follow the Penny situation closely? I would if there is a video or interview where Penny explains what happened. I used to be a fan of his back in the day. Not really a Shaq fan, or a fan of the Magic, just a Penny fan only.

Here is a link to an article that talks about it: https://sports.yahoo.com/penny-hardaway-wonders-why-nobody-seemed-why-hurting-173548906.html?y20=1

It was originally from a longer interview done by SLAM on Penny's career. The link to the SLAM article is in the Yahoo article.

Here is Penny's quote:

To me, there was a lot of confusion. Back then you played hurt, so they were like, "Oh, it's just in your mind." It was hard to believe. They kept asking me, "Did you hear anything? Did you hear your knee pop?" I would tell them, No, but it really does hurt. All of a sudden there was pain and I was very frustrated. I went from being very athletic, one of the best guards in the NBA, to barely making it. No speed, no agility. I had to change how I played because I couldn't exercise or train because my knee constantly hurt.

[Dre_7]

Also, I work in Physical Therapy. Although I am not a Physical Therapist myself (my actual title is Physical Therapy Technician) I work closely with a lot of PTs, as well as having a cousin who is a PT. Right now Kawhi is just going to have to rest and rehab until his pain level is down to a comfortable level. Once that happens then he can get back into basketball. Fortunately, since he has only played 9 games and the team has been very cautious the odds of him having permanent damage is almost none. Basically, when returning to sports from a Tendinopathy you are going to have some pain. If the pain level stays between 1-4 you can keep playing without risking permanent damage. If the pain level goes above a 4 you need to stop and rest/rehab until the pain level goes down. If you keep playing through the pain it can cause damage Once I was told that it made what Pop said about his "pain going in the wrong direction" make a lot of sense. Again, thank goodness Pop and the Spurs are as cautious as they are. Kawhi will be fine and probably ready before the playoffs even begin.

[bklynspursfan]

Also, I work in Physical Therapy. Although I am not a Physical Therapist myself (my actual title is Physical Therapy Technician) I work closely with a lot of PTs, as well as having a cousin who is a PT. Right now Kawhi is just going to have to rest and rehab until his pain level is down to a comfortable level. Once that happens then he can get back into basketball. Fortunately, since he has only played 9 games and the team has been very cautious the odds of him having permanent damage is almost none. Basically, when returning to sports from a Tendinopathy you are going to have some pain. If the pain level stays between 1-4 you can keep playing without risking permanent damage. If the pain level goes above a 4 you need to stop and rest/rehab until the pain level goes down. If you keep playing through the pain it can cause damage Once I was told that it made what Pop said about his "pain going in the wrong direction" make a lot of sense. Again, thank goodness Pop and the Spurs are as cautious as they are. Kawhi will be fine and probably ready before the playoffs even begin.

Good stuff :tu . Thanks.. Hopefully those who felt Pop was "babying" Kawhi understand the seriousness of the situation and realize how they had Kawhi's best interest in mind. They did say he's made significant progress, so maybe that means the pain level was much higher than the 1-4 level you mentioned previously, and they're just trying to get it down to a more manageable pain level?

[Dre_7]

Good stuff :tu . Thanks.. Hopefully those who felt Pop was "babying" Kawhi understand the seriousness of the situation and realize how they had Kawhi's best interest in mind. They did say he's made significant progress, so maybe that means the pain level was much higher than the 1-4 level you mentioned previously, and they're just trying to get it down to a more manageable pain level?

Based on Pop's comments my guess is that Kawhi was at a good level until recently and that once his pain level started to increase they made the choice to shut him down. That is just pure speculation of course. It really sucks as a Spurs and because I have him on my fantasy team :lol, but the Spurs are doing the right thing. Again, he only played 9 games and has had at least 2 days rest between games. Kawhi is going to be just fine. The Spurs won't put him back out there until he is ready.

[Dre_7]

And yes, my co-workers and cousin got a kick out of the fact that I kept asking all these questions about tendinopathy because I was worried about a millionaire NBA player. :lol But hey, I bleed silver and black baby! :flag: :claw

[bklynspursfan]

Based on Pop's comments my guess is that Kawhi was at a good level until recently and that once his pain level started to increase they made the choice to shut him down. That is just pure speculation of course. It really sucks as a Spurs and because I have him on my fantasy team :lol, but the Spurs are doing the right thing. Again, he only played 9 games and has had at least 2 days rest between games. Kawhi is going to be just fine. The Spurs won't put him back out there until he is ready.

I have him too :lol :depressed I at least have an IR slot, so I can add someone and keep him stashed.

& is it normal that the pain started to increase again? I'm just wondering, I mean he sat out a couple months already and the pain came back after playing a small amount of games. I'm just worried if he sits out another month or 2 now, will he have flare ups that are concerning come playoff time?

[Dre_7]

I have him too :lol :depressed I at least have an IR slot, so I can add someone and keep him stashed.

& is it normal that the pain started to increase again? I'm just wondering, I mean he sat out a couple months already and the pain came back after playing a small amount of games. I'm just worried if he sits out another month or 2 now, will he have flare ups that are concerning come playoff time?

Yeah I have an injury spot too. My whole team has been hurt this year though haha. As far as if it is normal for pain to increase? It isn't normal per say, but it can happen when someone pushes too much and is more common with athletes, especially those with a high work ethic (Kawhi lol). It can be slow process and one of the PTs I talked to said they hate working with athletes because it is hard to get them to not push too hard too soon. So Pop shutting him down makes the most sense

[bklynspursfan]

Yeah I have an injury spot too. My whole team has been hurt this year though haha. As far as if it is normal for pain to increase? It isn't normal per say, but it can happen when someone pushes too much and is more common with athletes, especially those with a high work ethic (Kawhi lol). It can be slow process and one of the PTs I talked to said they hate working with athletes because it is hard to get them to not push too hard too soon. So Pop shutting him down makes the most sense

Cool.. Yea I hope he can take it easy so he can heal properly. Is this something he can get like pain shots for or w/e before the games once the pain level reaches a low enough level for him to return?

[Dre_7]

Cool.. Yea I hope he can take it easy so he can heal properly. Is this something he can get like pain shots for or w/e before the games once the pain level reaches a low enough level for him to return?

It didn't sound like he was having pain in the games. Pop said the pain would come the day after the game around noon. So pain shots before games is probably a moot point. He just needs to get his quad to where he is comfortable and not push it until he is ready to come back.

[spursistan]

958180254413139968

Dejounte posted this pic on IG but then deleted it. Seen that Kawhi was in his game-gear and not wearing street clothes on the bench in last 2 games it could be that he is near a return, even possibly before ASG.

Just hope THEY/HE are not rushing it. It would be inexcusable and pathetic amateurism at this point if he comes back only to still be in-and-out of the lineup and on minutes restriction.

[r0drig0lac]

958180254413139968

Dejounte posted this pic on IG but then deleted it. Seen that Kawhi was in his game-gear and not wearing street clothes on the bench in last 2 games it could be that he is near a return, even possibly before ASG.

Just hope THEY/HE are not rushing it. It would be inexcusable and pathetic amateurism at this point if he comes back only to be still in-and-out of the lineup and on minutes restriction.

weird

[TimDunkem]

958180254413139968

Dejounte posted this pic on IG but then deleted it. Seen that Kawhi was in his game-gear and not wearing street clothes on the bench in last 2 games it could be that he is near a return, even possibly before ASG.

Just hope THEY/HE are not rushing it. It would be inexcusable and pathetic amateurism at this point if he comes back only to still be in-and-out of the lineup and on minutes restriction.

If or whenever Kawhi comes back, he WILL be in and out on a minites restriction. Why wouldn't he? This is how Pop works.

[Ice009]

If or whenever Kawhi comes back, he WILL be in and out on a minites restriction. Why wouldn't he? This is how Pop works.

That's all good if in his first few games back he's on a minutes restriction, but if he's on that shit for a month's or more worth of games, then he should not come back until he's 100% ready to play regular minutes after having a few minute restricted warm up games.

[Dex]

This is all just CIA Pop making sure Kawhi is rested for the playoffs.

[spursistan]

If or whenever Kawhi comes back, he WILL be in and out on a minites restriction. Why wouldn't he? This is how Pop works.
For the first, 2nd, 3rd game? I get it. I am not a doctor but if a guy who didn’t undergo a surgery and still on minutes restriction 4-6 weeks after coming back from months-long therapy it means he simply hasn’t healed and it’s a pointless exercise to keep hoping he will after another setback.

Shut him down for good..

[rogcl1]

Seems to me pain shots as mentioned would be foolish.Simply hiding the problem and allowing damage to be done without feeling it.

[Ice009]

For the first, 2nd, 3rd game? I get it. I am not a doctor but if a guy who didn’t undergo a surgery and still on minutes restriction 4-6 weeks after coming back from months-long therapy it means he simply hasn’t healed and it’s a pointless exercise to keep hoping he will after another setback.

Shut him down for good..

Exactly my opinion. He shouldn't be on a minutes restriction for 4-6 weeks. If he has to be on one to be able to play, then he's coming back too early.

He should only need 2, 3, 4 or maybe up to 5 warmup games, then after that it should all be full throttle.

[Chinook]

People bitching about Kawhi's minutes restriction are amazing. Clearly, it lingered for so long because it WASN'T getting better. I was totally on board with the criticism back when it looked like Kawhi was healthy, but it doesn't make sense now, especially if Leonard is upset that the team was cautious enough about him.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Kawhi will be back the first game after the all star break against the Denver Nuggets. You heard it here first. Guaranteed.

[bklynspursfan]

People bitching about Kawhi's minutes restriction are amazing. Clearly, it lingered for so long because it WASN'T getting better. I was totally on board with the criticism back when it looked like Kawhi was healthy, but it doesn't make sense now, especially if Leonard is upset that the team was cautious enough about him.

People bitch just to bitch. They thought he was ready to play consecutive games not knowing Kawhi clearly wasn't himself. It's always nice when the facts come out to prove them wrong, tho they typically just jump to the next item on the bitch list

[Dex]

Kawhi will be back the first game after the all star break against the Denver Nuggets. You heard it here first. Guaranteed.

Sauces?

[Leetonidas]

958180254413139968

Dejounte posted this pic on IG but then deleted it. Seen that Kawhi was in his game-gear and not wearing street clothes on the bench in last 2 games it could be that he is near a return, even possibly before ASG.

Just hope THEY/HE are not rushing it. It would be inexcusable and pathetic amateurism at this point if he comes back only to still be in-and-out of the lineup and on minutes restriction.

I bet he posted it just to show a pic of Kawhi mentoring him and didn't realize people would start trying to assume it's a cryptic post about Kawhi returning then deleted it. Imo

[Dex]

People bitch just to bitch. They thought he was ready to play consecutive games not knowing Kawhi clearly wasn't himself. It's always nice when the facts come out to prove them wrong, tho they typically just jump to the next item on the bitch list

Should be SpursTalk's new motto.

[hater]

Didnt kawhi wear gear last game? Git to benplanning a comwback imo

[weeks]

Should be SpursTalk's new motto.

"our motto fucking sucks. no wonder kawhi wants out"

[south side spur]

People bitch just to bitch. They thought he was ready to play consecutive games not knowing Kawhi clearly wasn't himself. It's always nice when the facts come out to prove them wrong, tho they typically just jump to the next item on the bitch list

By “people” and “they” you mean the Kawhi tards who believe he’s God’s gift and any negativity associated with him must be outside of his control and the fault of the organization because he’s perfect. The same idiots that bitch about him leaving. Most reasonable Spurs fans understand the premise of minutes restriction. It’s just when you’re an idolator and your hero isn’t bulletproof you melt down and assume the victim role.

[daslicer]

By “people” and “they” you mean the Kawhi tards who believe he’s God’s gift and any negativity associated with him must be outside of his control and the fault of the organization because he’s perfect. The same idiots that bitch about him leaving. Most reasonable Spurs fans understand the premise of minutes restriction. It’s just when you’re an idolator and your hero isn’t bulletproof you melt down and assume the victim role.

They are not bitching about him leaving. They are actually rooting for him to leave. These idiots would be angry if Kawhi re-signed with the Spurs.

[Seventyniner]

Should be SpursTalk's new motto.

Bitches gonna bitch.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Sauces?
Chris Broussard.

[Pavlov]

People bitch just to bitch.


Should be SpursTalk's new motto.


"our motto fucking sucks. no wonder kawhi wants out":lol

[LittleCriminal]

should just change the site name to bitchtalk.com or iaminluvwithkyleandersontalk.com

[Stabula]

"our motto fucking sucks. no wonder kawhi wants out"

:lol

[spursistan]

https://i.imgur.com/wk2CeRd.jpg

Looking at the schedule above, if he Kawhi isn't ready to go by Feb 28th--first game after RTT for a softish 3-game home-stand-- I don't see the point of playing him again this season..

[r0drig0lac]

https://i.imgur.com/wk2CeRd.jpg

Looking at the schedule above, if he Kawhi isn't ready to go by Feb 28th--first game after RTT for a softish 3-game home-stand-- I don't see the point of playing him again this season..

damn 2-8

[weeks]

Sorry if anything like this has already been posted but I haven't been able to read the board in a few days and have just a few minutes to post before I have to pretend to work...

Dallas radio host, who is a big spurs fan, just said he spoke to a source he has with in the spurs. This is what he was told about the kawhi injury

- There is serious angst amongst the spurs and kawhi over the injury. Kawhi feels the spurs mishandled the injury last year and is now using his own doctors for treatment

- Because he's not using team doctors the spurs have been silent about him bc they don't have much information themselves and are kinda in the dark

- The reports they have are not good. They are saying it's severe tendinitis and are using words like diseased and degenerative

- There is real fear that kawhi will never be able to play 82 games again and that he will likely deal with this for the rest of his career.

- Finally, he said he was told to expect kawhi to be out at least 4 to 5 weeks this go around.

So yeah. That's the info he dropped. Hes not a random dude and I fully trust he has sources that are in the know on this stuff. If it's all true 5uts super depressing

:depressed

[Ice009]

Did anyone get anymore info from that Dallas radio host?

[exstatic]

I call BS on the Dallas radio host, and his sauces. If it were severe tendinitis, it would absolutely show up on a scan, MRI and such. Blood is a much different density and consistency than muscle. Sean suffered from this in the 90s, and they were on top of it and fixed his quad. If it weren’t for his kidney issues, he could have played more years than he did. Word is that nothing shows up, hence the mystery.

[BillMc]

I call BS on the Dallas radio host, and his sauces. If it were severe tendinitis, it would absolutely show up on a scan, MRI and such. Blood is a much different density and consistency than muscle. Sean suffered from this in the 90s, and they were on top of it and fixed his quad. If it weren’t for his kidney issues, he could have played more years than he did. Word is that nothing shows up, hence the mystery.

This.

[FkLA]

If true, even if the Spurs mishandled it Kawhi is being a bitch. Getting a second opinion is one thing. Even voicing displeasure (privately) with the mishandling and wanting a bigger say in management of the injury is fine.

Getting your own doctor and keeping the team in the dark is pretty much cancerous behavior though. I really hope that report isn't true or else Kawhi isn't really who we thought he was character wise. :td

[spursistan]

Hearing that Lisa Salters report about Pop saying there is still no timeline to Kawhi return is so dispiriting.

Tells me that we are really close to hearing that he's getting shutdown for the season..They probably know it and are just trying to renew season tickets sales and sell the remaining ones from their marquee matchups before dropping the inevitable news..

[nym]

Is Kawhi even traveling with the team for the RRT? In previous years when injured players would still tag along to build chemistry and whatnot but I didn't see Kawhi or Tony at the GS game. But I did notice Rudy Gay in the second row. If he's not even attempting to be with the team that's more telling than anything Pop or his camp says when pressed for comments.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Hearing that Lisa Salters report about Pop saying there is still no timeline to Kawhi return is so dispiriting.

Tells me that we are really close to hearing that he's getting shutdown for the season..They probably know it and are just trying to renew season tickets sales and sell the remaining ones from their marquee matchups before dropping the inevitable news..

Agreed, I don’t think we will see Kawhi in a Spurs jersey this season.

[SAGirl]

Is Kawhi even traveling with the team for the RRT? In previous years when injured players would still tag along to build chemistry and whatnot but I didn't see Kawhi or Tony at the GS game. But I did notice Rudy Gay in the second row. If he's not even attempting to be with the team that's more telling than anything Pop or his camp says when pressed for comments.
Yup. He’s not with the team. It also didn’t give me a good sign for his recovery. He’s still unwell.

Rudy and Dijon were both with the team. Rudy is getting ready to get back. He was seen doing drills pregame and shooting.

[TimDunkem]

He ain't coming back.

[ulosturedge]

If that is the case we should have just tanked the season lol. What a waste.

[ace3g]

^ or add SF depth through trades.

[TimDunkem]

^ or add SF depth through trades.

But, but, but when Kawhi and Gay are healthy tho'!

[barbacoataco]

What a strange injury. I can't believe he is healthy but refusing to play. Since he is due a big pay day, that would be shooting yourself in the foot. I wouldn't be surprised if he never comes back. Bad luck for the Spurs, but not that unusual. There have been many NBA players over the year who had their careers cut short from body breakdown. Just because you have a MVP talent player is no guarantee that they will have a long productive career. Grant Hill, Derrick Rose, Brandon Roy, or any numbers of players who didn't last more than 3-4 seasons.

On the other hand maybe he comes back and returns to form. They might just be making sure he is all the way healthy for the playoffs. When people buy lottery tickets they know they won't win, but people still believe.

[nym]

If Kawhi really is as unhappy and wants out like some reports and posters have been saying then I hope he's spoken to PATFO about his discontent and possible intentions of leaving.

Jabari Young's tweet about Kawhi being different than Timmy and Spurs needing to realize that are telling of how PATFO is either in denial or just in the dark as to how Kawhi feels. Pop has been saying for years he's the future of the franchise. So Kawhi and his camp should have been having frank discussions with the Spurs about how they see his stardom progressing. If he's been quiet and let the Spurs think it's all good then he is wrong in the situation. If he has expressed everything and PATFO ignored it then this mess is on them.

For the sake of the franchise I hope they get everything together and take a long and honest look at what's been developing around the league.

It may be time for Spurs to really be on the its a business rather than we're a family end of the spectrum cause the old way of making personnel decisions hasn't kept up with this new NBA. If they want to win they need to make decisions like they do and put the whole Spurs culture & corporate knowledge thing on a lower priority cause these millennial players are totally different than Timmy, Tony, & Manu era players.

[dbreiden83080]

If Kawhi really is as unhappy and wants out like some reports and posters have been saying then I hope he's spoken to PATFO about his discontent and possible intentions of leaving.

Jabari Young's tweet about Kawhi being different than Timmy and Spurs needing to realize that are telling of how PATFO is either in denial or just in the dark as to how Kawhi feels. Pop has been saying for years he's the future of the franchise. So Kawhi and his camp should have been having frank discussions with the Spurs about how they see his stardom progressing. If he's been quiet and let the Spurs think it's all good then he is wrong in the situation. If he has expressed everything and PATFO ignored it then this mess is on them.

For the sake of the franchise I hope they get everything together and take a long and honest look at what's been developing around the league.

It may be time for Spurs to really be on the its a business rather than we're a family end of the spectrum cause the old way of making personnel decisions hasn't kept up with this new NBA. If they want to win they need to make decisions like they do and put the whole Spurs culture & corporate knowledge thing on a lower priority cause these millennial players are totally different than Timmy, Tony, & Manu era players.

If Leonard is unhappy and just dogging it with this injury he can run out the door, as fast as he can with that bad leg.. He better be in a lot of pain, for all this time out..

[daslicer]

If Leonard is unhappy and just dogging it with this injury he can run out the door, as fast as he can with that bad leg.. He better be in a lot of pain, for all this time out..

I don't see him coming back this year. We won't know the truth about what's the deal with Kawhi until the summertime. Once the season is over there will be more stories that will be leaked out about this situation and then the truth will finally come out.

[barbacoataco]

If he's just refusing to play because he wants out then I'd like to see him leave. Eric Gordon did that with the Pelicans. That's just a biatch move that I can't respect. If you're getting paid millions to play a game that people play for fun, the least you can do is show up.

[jermaine]

If he's just refusing to play because he wants out then I'd like to see him leave. Eric Gordon did that with the Pelicans. That's just a biatch move that I can't respect. If you're getting paid millions to play a game that people play for fun, the least you can do is show up.

I feel the same if that's the case

[SuperCam]

There is a not infinitesimal chance that Kiwi has already played his last game in a Spur uniform tbqh

[jermaine]

Let me get this right.... No one knows if he's hurt, He's keeping the Spurs in the dark, No one knows if anything is true about if he's unhappy with the roster, He's had multiple opinions that says he's fine, and Jabri Parker is saying he's not Tim Duncan an the Spurs needs to accept that or else??? Are those the facts we know?

[NASpurs]

There's 25 games left in the season. I'm leaning really hard towards him not coming back, just rehab his injury and return next year hopefully stronger.

[NASpurs]

Let me get this right.... No one knows if he's hurt, He's keeping the Spurs in the dark, No one knows if anything is true about if he's unhappy with the roster, He's had multiple opinions that says he's fine, and Jabri Parker is saying he's not Tim Duncan an the Spurs needs to accept that or else??? Are those the facts we know?

Jabari Parker? The dude who plays for the Bucks? Didn't know he was that close to the Spurs and the situation.

[jermaine]

Jabari Parker? The dude who plays for the Bucks? Didn't know he was that close to the Spurs and the situation.

Lol, you know who I'm talking about ass

[Gagnrath]

There is a not tiny possibility that there is real impactful soreness/stiffness that makes playing and workouts painful and hard, but could be played through. That sort of thing is really frustrating because you feel about 65% can play about 85% and have good days and bad days. With amateur sports you just sit till it heals. As the face of a pro basketball franchise you have so much pressure to play. It just lingers and doesn't really get better, and because you aren't right your play suffers. That is the sort of thing that can have you emotionally lashing out in frustration as well. Add in rumours and conspiracy and you feel awfully isolated and friendless.

[tholdren]

There is a not tiny possibility that there is real impactful soreness/stiffness that makes playing and workouts painful and hard, but could be played through. That sort of thing is really frustrating because you feel about 65% can play about 85% and have good days and bad days. With amateur sports you just sit till it heals. As the face of a pro basketball franchise you have so much pressure to play. It just lingers and doesn't really get better, and because you aren't right your play suffers. That is the sort of thing that can have you emotionally lashing out in frustration as well. Add in rumours and conspiracy and you feel awfully isolated and friendless.

Lol real sad story. Hes making millions to sit on his ass and cry. Trade

[Gagnrath]

Lol real sad story. Hes making millions to sit on his ass and cry. Trade

Trade for what? You aren't going to get close to value? He hasn't been publicly crying, there's just stupid statements from relatives, some team statements on rumour control and a silent Leonard. Playing at 75-80% hurts towards a new contract and isn't great for the team, it also might set- back rehab. Sitting rehabbing and keeping silent sounds like the right option but is hard with an uncertain timetable.

[sasaint]

Trade for what? You aren't going to get close to value? He hasn't been publicly crying, there's just stupid statements from relatives, some team statements on rumour control and a silent Leonard. Playing at 75-80% hurts towards a new contract and isn't great for the team, it also might set- back rehab. Sitting rehabbing and keeping silent sounds like the right option but is hard with an uncertain timetable.

I agree with all of that except the "keeping silent" part. If the injury was the issue, I would think Kawhi would simply make a statement and put it to rest. His continued silence makes me think there is something beyond the injury. Maybe it's the looming supermax contract negotiation. But maybe it does have something to do with Kawhi's feelings about the roster and the opportunity the Spurs provide to win 'ships.

[UZER]

Trade for what? You aren't going to get close to value? He hasn't been publicly crying, there's just stupid statements from relatives, some team statements on rumour control and a silent Leonard. Playing at 75-80% hurts towards a new contract and isn't great for the team, it also might set- back rehab. Sitting rehabbing and keeping silent sounds like the right option but is hard with an uncertain timetable.

This is the same thinking with Pop. "Who you gonna replace him with!?"

At some point, it's just about moving on to a fresh start, instead of just lazily limping the franchise along for sake of comfort and old times sake, or det culture. :cry

If Kawhi is really hurt, I mean really hurt and won't ever fully recover, you're going to have to move on at some point. If Kawhi is sabotaging the team (which I don't believe he is) then you're going to have to move on. If Kawhi has no pain tolerance to play through what most players have to play through, you're going to have to move on. What if he just doesn't want to play for this franchise anymore? You're going to have to move on. We've already seen the introverted type of person he is, hes not easy to read or get through to.

It's not an easy or light decision, but I'm mean, what are you supposed to do? I hate the thought of even trading Kawhi, but if any of those things are true, what the hell are you supposed to do?

[tholdren]

Trade for what? You aren't going to get close to value? He hasn't been publicly crying, there's just stupid statements from relatives, some team statements on rumour control and a silent Leonard. Playing at 75-80% hurts towards a new contract and isn't great for the team, it also might set- back rehab. Sitting rehabbing and keeping silent sounds like the right option but is hard with an uncertain timetable.
What is his value? No one knows because no one is talking. The last time i have heard, he has what a QUAD injury? A quad injury has him out the WHOLE year? If kl is as great as some people on here think, then he should fetch a pretty penny injured or not

[widowmaker]

What type of athlete suffers some type a injury a year ago and doesn’t recover from it at all? Not even playable ? I love KL’s game he is awesome but it’s time to come real. You have people finding out they have cancer and coming back a year later. You have Paul George having his leg broke in half ( pretty much) and playing if not good great. What’s the real deal?

[NASpurs]

What type of athlete suffers some type a injury a year ago and doesn’t recover from it at all? Not even playable ? I love KL’s game he is awesome but it’s time to come real. You have people finding out they have cancer and coming back a year later. You have Paul George having his leg broke in half ( pretty much) and playing if not good great. What’s the real deal?

There's even talk about Gordon Hayward coming back. The dude broke his leg earlier in the season ffs.

[TimDunkem]

There's even talk about Gordon Hayward coming back. The dude broke his leg earlier in the season ffs.

DeBustelo Russell came back a month or two after knee surgery, Jabari Parker came back from a torn knee in less than a year, LaVine too.

This injury stuff smells like bs.

[jermaine]

An all this nigga got is muscle cramps

[NASpurs]

An all this nigga got is muscle cramps

I put the symptoms in WebMD and it says the cramps are of the menstrual variety.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I like how the rumors just grow and grow in here. Six more pages on this thread he'll be dying of cancer and Pop will be poisoning his soup with PineSol. I'm fairly certain this forum's membership consists of a bunch of gossipy old ladies.

No one knows anything. He's not sitting out because he's unhappy...he already tried coming back once, and the attempt failed. He's still hurt. Pretty simple. Likely the "overuse" part was from all the extra training he's done beyond his commitment to the Spurs the last couple of years trying to make himself better.

I doubt he's unhappy with the Spurs, and I doubt the Spurs lose him after the season.

[Stabula]

I like how the rumors just grow and grow in here. Six more pages on this thread he'll be dying of cancer and Pop will be poisoning his soup with PineSol. I'm fairly certain this forum's membership consists of a bunch of gossipy old ladies.

No one knows anything. He's not sitting out because he's unhappy...he already tried coming back once, and the attempt failed. He's still hurt. Pretty simple. Likely the "overuse" part was from all the extra training he's done beyond his commitment to the Spurs the last couple of years trying to make himself better.

I doubt he's unhappy with the Spurs, and I doubt the Spurs lose him after the season.

[Brunodf]

If he doesn't come back this season they should just trade him on draft night tbh

No way he's gonna be worth the supermax being this injure prone and playing like s#it the few games he played this season

[dbreiden83080]

I don't see him coming back this year. We won't know the truth about what's the deal with Kawhi until the summertime. Once the season is over there will be more stories that will be leaked out about this situation and then the truth will finally come out.

If he needed surgery that would have happened. If he is just pissed he has screwed himself in terms of value. He needs to get back down the stretch and play. Badly..

[barbacoataco]

Why is no one discussing the obvious elephant in the room? His offseason workout regime which completely changed his physique was always suspicious to me. As a fan who believes many pro athletes are doped to the gills, I think it's looking like a classic case of pushing your body too far with PED's and it just breaks down.

[Raven]

If he needed surgery that would have happened. If he is just pissed he has screwed himself in terms of value. He needs to get back down the stretch and play. Badly..

there's no cure for tendinitis other than rest.

[widowmaker]

Its like a relationship that you dont want to end. Let it go its not you its me type of thing move on and adjust your line ups and go to war with what you have. This year is already done 3rd int he weat who cares 1st round out of the west is how thos is gonna end up anyway. Good luck KL we need some ball players here not a elite ****.

[dbreiden83080]

there's no cure for tendinitis other than rest.

Well he's had lots of that.. He hasn't really played since the playoffs..

[Russ]

there's no cure for tendinitis other than rest.

Amputation comes to mind (but then you might have "phantom" tendinitis so I wouldn't risk it).

[tholdren]

there's no cure for tendinitis other than rest.

Disagree

[Keepin' it real]

Well, I know spurstalk tried for a long time to pick the best nickname for Kawhi. I think "The Klaw" was an unofficial winner, but with this injury nonsense, my nickname for him will be:

Kawhi "Tendinopathy" Leonard

[SPURt]

Well, I know spurstalk tried for a long time to pick the best nickname for Kawhi. I think "The Klaw" was an unofficial winner, but with this injury nonsense, my nickname for him will be:

Kawhi "Tendinopathy" Leonard
Has a nice ring to it, takes a fat steaming dump on the tongue.

[ace3g]

Hindsight but it would have been great if Blossomgame was on our active roster. Kind of odd that we had a full roster from the get go, usually FO keeps open spots for call ups, etc.

[TD 21]

Hearing that Lisa Salters report about Pop saying there is still no timeline to Kawhi return is so dispiriting.

Tells me that we are really close to hearing that he's getting shutdown for the season..They probably know it and are just trying to renew season tickets sales and sell the remaining ones from their marquee matchups before dropping the inevitable news..

Suspected as much when even after he had been back for a while, he still supposedly couldn't eclipse 30 minutes and needed multiple days off between games.

Even if/when his getting shutdown for the season happens, they still need to offer the super max. It doesn't even matter if he claims to be okay with waiting until the following off season; that's a risk they can't be willing to take because at that point he'll become unrestricted. One way or another, they need to sort out his future this summer. He either signs the super max or is traded to Celtics for Brown, Tatum, either Clippers or Grizzlies 1st.

[tholdren]

Suspected as much when even after he had been back for a while, he still supposedly couldn't eclipse 30 minutes and needed multiple days off between games.

Even if/when his getting shutdown for the season happens, they still need to offer the super max. It doesn't even matter if he claims to be okay with waiting until the following off season; that's a risk they can't be willing to take because at that point he'll become unrestricted. One way or another, they need to sort out his future this summer. He either signs the super max or is traded to Celtics for Brown, Tatum, either Clippers or Grizzlies 1st.

If he doesnt play or he does and gets injured again, let him walk or trade. Tired of this grant hill bum

[acoelho1]

Definitely the most frustrating season I can remember. It’s one thing to lose to the better team but to have an injury with no timetable is about as bad as it gets as far as the Spurs are concerned. It also doesn’t help with Pops non-updates. I do believe this team has a chance but we need all our horses and that includes Rudy.

[tholdren]

Trade kl mills to celtics for tatum and gordon

[BillMc]

The theories on here....

https://i.imgflip.com/1ja31t.jpg

[tholdren]

The theories on here....

https://i.imgflip.com/1ja31t.jpg

Do you not think kl should speak on what is or is not going on, but let his uncle?

[spurs10]

The theories on here....

https://i.imgflip.com/1ja31t.jpg :lol “Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean someone is not following you!” There a lot worrying going on to be sure. I think it’s crazy that he’s playing possum or anything like that. Doubt Kawhi is plotting against the team. He’s just got a really unfortunate and strange injury.

[Brunodf]

Why is no one discussing the obvious elephant in the room? His offseason workout regime which completely changed his physique was always suspicious to me. As a fan who believes many pro athletes are doped to the gills, I think it's looking like a classic case of pushing your body too far with PED's and it just breaks down.
I would be surprised if less than 90% of the NBA are on PEDs, everybody knows NBA/NFL testing is a joke because they want to protect their players and not end up like baseball

[Slippy]

I would be surprised if less than 90% of the NBA are on PEDs, everybody knows NBA/NFL testing is a joke because they want to protect their players and not end up like baseball

Haha i tend to agree. when a mate asked me whats up with Kawai not playing . Afte explaining the msytery that was his first conclusion . He a psychiatric nurse whos into fitness & bball. As a spurs fan I didnt want to enetertain the thought.

[barbacoataco]

Leonard's physique is one of the most steroid-y in the NBA, and he didn't always look like that.

[Keepin' it real]

Leonard's physique is one of the most steroid-y in the NBA, and he didn't always look like that.

I dunno ... 3 sets ... 8-10 reps. Add some protein powder in there. Seems doable.

[Ice009]

You guys think Kawhi is on 'roids? And that is the reason for his slow healing? If so, why aren't other players who might be on them this slow at healing?

[barbacoataco]

yes you can do it naturally, but like everything in life it's a lot better with drugs. Remember when the PED lab went down in Miami and employees said Lebron was one of their clients? I have no doubt he's a user. He even stopped using that one year he went back to Cleveland and he showed up at training camp having lost 30 lbs of upper body weight. Then when he wasn't playing well he instantly gained all that muscle mass back. He probably went to "see the doctor in Germany" that Kobe was going to. This stuff is so obvious and in everyone's face and still some fans want to live in La La Land. Unfortunately a lot of success in modern day sports is due to how good your doctors and drugs are.

[barbacoataco]

Not suggesting it's the cause of his slow healing, it's the cause of his injury. Too much muscle mass too fast and the body breaks down in the connective tissue area.

[Phenomanul]

I wonder if he has sought stem-cell therapy treatments...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3289928/

[Ice009]

yes you can do it naturally, but like everything in life it's a lot better with drugs. Remember when the PED lab went down in Miami and employees said Lebron was one of their clients? I have no doubt he's a user. He even stopped using that one year he went back to Cleveland and he showed up at training camp having lost 30 lbs of upper body weight. Then when he wasn't playing well he instantly gained all that muscle mass back. He probably went to "see the doctor in Germany" that Kobe was going to. This stuff is so obvious and in everyone's face and still some fans want to live in La La Land. Unfortunately a lot of success in modern day sports is due to how good your doctors and drugs are.

I remember the PED lab going down, but I didn't really read much about it. What made the employees say that Lebron was one of their clients? Were they interrogated for info on who they were supplying? Just curious why Lebron's name came up.

I also remember him losing weight after the 2014 finals. What did Lebron say was the reason for the weight loss back then? I didn't follow him or the Cavs, and how quickly did he put that weight back on? Did he do it during the regular season?

[barbacoataco]

If you go back you will see that in interviews an employee named Lebron as a client. Nothing ever happened. When he joined the Cavs he was much smaller, not just lighter, less bulky. When he wasn't playing well he gained the bulk back almost instantly mid-season. Draw your own conclusions.

[Ice009]

If you go back you will see that in interviews an employee named Lebron as a client. Nothing ever happened. When he joined the Cavs he was much smaller, not just lighter, less bulky. When he wasn't playing well he gained the bulk back almost instantly mid-season. Draw your own conclusions.

I recall a picture during the off-season where he was slimmer, I thought he gained the weight back before the season started. If he gained it back that quickly in the middle of the season, why did no-one say anything about it? Can you gain it back anywhere near that fast naturally?

[nym]

I recall a picture during the off-season where he was slimmer, I thought he gained the weight back before the season started. If he gained it back that quickly in the middle of the season, why did no-one say anything about it? Can you gain it back anywhere near that fast naturally?

Cause he's LeBron James and one of the faces of the NBA

[daslicer]

I recall a picture during the off-season where he was slimmer, I thought he gained the weight back before the season started. If he gained it back that quickly in the middle of the season, why did no-one say anything about it? Can you gain it back anywhere near that fast naturally?

When Lebron came back to the Cavs he was very skinny at the start of the year. I still remember a game against the Jazz that year where at the end of the game he tried to post up Hayward but didn't have the strength to back him down and had to settle for an ugly jump shot. For the first half of the year he really wasn't himself. I remember he takes a week off and goes down to Miami which I suspect he was going down there to get PEDS. After that week he comes back and starts playing like Miami Lebron again and starts to bulk up rapidly. Lebron is on PEDs but I feel a lot of these guys are on it.

[barbacoataco]

When Lebron came back to the Cavs he was very skinny at the start of the year. I still remember a game against the Jazz that year where at the end of the game he tried to post up Hayward but didn't have the strength to back him down and had to settle for an ugly jump shot. For the first half of the year he really wasn't himself. I remember he takes a week off and goes down to Miami which I suspect he was going down there to get PEDS. After that week he comes back and starts playing like Miami Lebron again and starts to bulk up rapidly. Lebron is on PEDs but I feel a lot of these guys are on it.
Exactly. This was talked about by a lot of people at the time.

[barbacoataco]

Now imagine you're a young player like Leonard and the face of the NBA and maybe GOAT is dominating in part because of his PED use. What are you gonna do?

[SpursforSix]

Did anyone get anymore info from that Dallas radio host?


I call BS on the Dallas radio host, and his sauces. If it were severe tendinitis, it would absolutely show up on a scan, MRI and such. Blood is a much different density and consistency than muscle. Sean suffered from this in the 90s, and they were on top of it and fixed his quad. If it weren’t for his kidney issues, he could have played more years than he did. Word is that nothing shows up, hence the mystery.


He confirmed that was what he reported and stood by he source. He said the part about it being career threatening was speculation.

[nym]

He confirmed that was what he reported and stood by he source. He said the part about it being career threatening was speculation.

Has the Dallas radio guy (or any other Texas/San Antonio based person) said anything about hearing rumblings that Kawh is not happy with the team beyond issues with the injury mishandling?

[jermaine]

When Lebron came back to the Cavs he was very skinny at the start of the year. I still remember a game against the Jazz that year where at the end of the game he tried to post up Hayward but didn't have the strength to back him down and had to settle for an ugly jump shot. For the first half of the year he really wasn't himself. I remember he takes a week off and goes down to Miami which I suspect he was going down there to get PEDS. After that week he comes back and starts playing like Miami Lebron again and starts to bulk up rapidly. Lebron is on PEDs but I feel a lot of these guys are on it.

When Labrick was smaller he was on some kinda diet. It's been posted on sites he was tryna get slimmer because he cramped up against us. He had to much muscle

[weeks]

I dunno guys that dallas radio host stands by his shit and it fits everything else we've been hearing, except the severity of the injury.

[Brunodf]

I recall a picture during the off-season where he was slimmer, I thought he gained the weight back before the season started. If he gained it back that quickly in the middle of the season, why did no-one say anything about it? Can you gain it back anywhere near that fast naturally?
It was talked about a lot on the forums... No TV channel that has a contact with the NBA would dare to touch the PEDS subject because it can only hurt the NBA brand

[bklynspursfan]

I remember after that Rockets game last year where Kawhi owned Harden, he had a mandatory "random drug test" after the game.

[barbacoataco]

When Labrick was smaller he was on some kinda diet. It's been posted on sites he was tryna get slimmer because he cramped up against us. He had to much muscle
Cramping is a side effect of steroid use. Therefore, the attempt to get off the juice. Once he saw he needed that strength he got back on. Pretty obvious

[barbacoataco]

The reason I bring this up is this might be part of the disconnect with the Spurs doctors. I think these athletes have their own doctors and teams aren't even always aware of what they are doing.

[SpursforSix]

Has the Dallas radio guy (or any other Texas/San Antonio based person) said anything about hearing rumblings that Kawh is not happy with the team beyond issues with the injury mishandling?

I don't know. I never heard the original report or anything after. As far as Miller goes.

[TheDoctor]

There is a not tiny possibility that there is real impactful soreness/stiffness that makes playing and workouts painful and hard, but could be played through. That sort of thing is really frustrating because you feel about 65% can play about 85% and have good days and bad days. With amateur sports you just sit till it heals. As the face of a pro basketball franchise you have so much pressure to play. It just lingers and doesn't really get better, and because you aren't right your play suffers. That is the sort of thing that can have you emotionally lashing out in frustration as well. Add in rumours and conspiracy and you feel awfully isolated and friendless.

You talking like if you knew what's happening. Are you his uncle? When Kawhi talked about this? Or this is you adjudicating numbers randomly?

[spursistan]

963619747077197825

Ok we are grasping at straws but here is what JabARi Young said when he was asked on twitter if he thinks Kawhi will play again this season..

[Ice009]

The 2001 Lakers weren't looking too good 4/5ths of the way through the season, but they won all their games in April (I think it was 10 in a row) and went into the playoffs on a roll. That is all it took to springboard them to one of the most domination post seasons in NBA history. They don't need to win 10 in a row or anything, but playing well and winning most of their last 10 games or so could get them started.

If the Spurs can get Kawhi back 100%, and especially if they can somehow hold the 3rd or 4th seed, then I think they'll have a serious chance to do some damage. I think they need a higher seed as home court would help a lot in the first round. A first round series win, even if it's 4-3, could be enough to provide the ignition they need to go on a big run.

[TD 21]

963619747077197825

Ok we are grasping at straws but here is what JabARi Young said when he was asked on twitter if he thinks Kawhi will play again this season..

Notice how many qualifiers he uses; as if to say, I'm skeptical.

If there's supposedly still no timetable for his return, then how can whoever told him this not only be sure that he will return, but better than the first 9 games? Those two things don't add up.

[SAGirl]

963619747077197825

Ok we are grasping at straws but here is what JabARi Young said when he was asked on twitter if he thinks Kawhi will play again this season..
There's hope!
I was starting go think he's not coming back, but it makes sense that the Spurs are gearing up fora run after the ASG.... Would be awesome news and a welcome change.

Season ain't over yet.

[Leetonidas]

He can't even wipe his own ass yet. No way he's coming back

[Blake]

Ugh I'd like to do a 1996 on this season and get a lottery pick

[NASpurs]

What's the fucking point, he hasn't even done 5-on-5 drills that Pop likes to use to gauge whether a player is ready to go. I don't even think there are reports of him playing 2-on-2 or anything minimal like that. There's EIGHT weeks left in the season.

[phxspurfan]

love how this whole thing has been entirely mis-managed. Dude is soft as Charmin and we could have had a shot at Trae Young or something, instead we flounder about losing to the Nuggs and getting ready to get blown out by the Dubs/Rockettes in the first round (or worse, forcing guys back and watching them get re-injured and then risking their next seasons/careers).

[spurs10]

They do have ten days off to rest and maybe scrimmage with Kawhi and Rudy. At this point we can only hope.

[weeks]

963619747077197825

Ok we are grasping at straws but here is what JabARi Young said when he was asked on twitter if he thinks Kawhi will play again this season..
He seems more plugged in to the team than most of our awkward media dudes so this gives me some hope

[weeks]

Honestly I just want kawhi to hurry back so we can all stop with the fucking ass wipe jokes

[HarlemHeat37]

The 2001 Lakers weren't looking too good 4/5ths of the way through the season, but they won all their games in April (I think it was 10 in a row) and went into the playoffs on a roll. That is all it took to springboard them to one of the most domination post seasons in NBA history. They don't need to win 10 in a row or anything, but playing well and winning most of their last 10 games or so could get them started.

If the Spurs can get Kawhi back 100%, and especially if they can somehow hold the 3rd or 4th seed, then I think they'll have a serious chance to do some damage. I think they need a higher seed as home court would help a lot in the first round. A first round series win, even if it's 4-3, could be enough to provide the ignition they need to go on a big run.

Who is this roster's version of Shaq, tbh?:lol and which 2001 team is the Warriors?

[phxspurfan]

The 2001 Lakers weren't looking too good 4/5ths of the way through the season, but they won all their games in April (I think it was 10 in a row) and went into the playoffs on a roll. That is all it took to springboard them to one of the most domination post seasons in NBA history. They don't need to win 10 in a row or anything, but playing well and winning most of their last 10 games or so could get them started.

If the Spurs can get Kawhi back 100%, and especially if they can somehow hold the 3rd or 4th seed, then I think they'll have a serious chance to do some damage. I think they need a higher seed as home court would help a lot in the first round. A first round series win, even if it's 4-3, could be enough to provide the ignition they need to go on a big run.

'01 Lakers...yeah that's a little bit of a stretch dude :lol

[boutons_deux]

Spurs finished 04 with 16W, swept first-round MEM, then Phil outcoached Pop, and Malone manhandled Tim.

[cd021]

If he isn't back but February 23rd and with no report of him being close then I would start seriously worrying about him missing the rest of the season. Gay should be good to go, so that is something at least.

[Darius Bieber]

Jabari Young beat around the bush so many times in that tweet

[Slippy]

Ugh I'd like to do a 1996 on this season and get a lottery pick
Probably too late for that. 96 when they iced Drob it was the start of February & was already a losing season.

My take, pop doesnt care about 3rd seed or 8th atm. In that respect hes tanking but after allstar break he hoping to have a healthy team to play with. Re-evaluate and take it from there.

[SPURt]

963619747077197825

Ok we are grasping at straws but here is what JabARi Young said when he was asked on twitter if he thinks Kawhi will play again this season..
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SneakyHandsomeAssassinbug-size_restricted.gif

[YGWHI]

He seems more plugged in to the team than most of our awkward media dudes so this gives me some hope
He has access to players and their families like no one in SA.

Jeff McDonald and other SA guys don't and won't ever have it since they're PATFO voice on media, players aren't stupid and already know it.

That's why he was the first to talk about LMA being unhappy and was the first to say that PATFO would make a big mistake if they want to have the same realtionship Pop/RC had with Tim. Tim and Pop were like family, that's unrepeatable.

Also, I trust Young since he was the only one who said that Kawhi doesn't want out, doesn't want to play GM, he only cares about play basketaball "He comes to work, wants to be great, and goes home with his family and friends".

[Dre_7]

What's the fucking point, he hasn't even done 5-on-5 drills that Pop likes to use to gauge whether a player is ready to go. I don't even think there are reports of him playing 2-on-2 or anything minimal like that. There's EIGHT weeks left in the season.

What's the point? Really?

The point is to try and be 100% healthy by playoff time.

[NASpurs]

What's the point? Really?

The point is to try and be 100% healthy by playoff time.

Being 100% healthy come playoff time doesn't guarantee shit. How about come back 100% next year.

[Dre_7]

Being 100% healthy come playoff time doesn't guarantee shit. How about come back 100% next year.

Coming back 100% next year doesn't guarantee shit either

[NASpurs]

Coming back 100% next year doesn't guarantee shit either

And who's to say if he comes back this year, he'll even be 100%. Just because you plug him back in, doesn't mean that he'll fix all of this team's problems. Just shut him down and let him get rest.

[Dre_7]

And who's to say if he comes back this year, he'll even be 100%. Just because you plug him back in, doesn't mean that he'll fix all of this team's problems. Just shut him down and let him get rest.

If he is healthy and 100% and you are in the playoffs it would be foolish not to play him. :lol

[NASpurs]

If he is healthy and 100% and you are in the playoffs it would be foolish not to play him. :lol

Yeah of course.

Still doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't play if he's less than 100% since what he has is degenerative from what I read.

[Dre_7]

Yeah of course.

Still doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't play if he's less than 100% since what he has is degenerative from what I read.

That is why I said 100%. Also, do you have a link to where you read it was degenerative?

[NASpurs]

That is why I said 100%. Also, do you have a link to where you read it was degenerative?

Yikes yeah, I totally misrepresented what I read, totally my bad seeing it's on the bad side of the spectrum when it comes to tendinpathy. The disease itself can be degenerative if it's bad enough. That's why I'm on the "sit him out and get him rest, try again next year" camp though. I don't want that shit to become degenerative (if it's not already, dunno).

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/medical-expert-discusses-kawhi-leonards-mysterious-injury-and-whats-next-for-him/

[gambit1990]

shut him down, this roster isn’t good enough to beat GSW or HOU even with a healthy rudy and kawhi.

spurs shoulda blown it up before the trade deadline like i said. props to the cavs for having the balls to improve.

[rjv]

shut him down, this roster isn’t good enough to beat GSW or HOU even with a healthy rudy and kawhi.

spurs shoulda blown it up before the trade deadline like i said. props to the cavs for having the balls to improve.

assets and leverage are more important than balls when it comes to NBA trades.

[gambit1990]

assets are more important than balls when it comes to NBA trades.
if the cavs managed to get rid of their trash the spurs could’ve got something for la, tony’s expiring.

[SAGirl]

He has access to players and their families like no one in SA.

Jeff McDonald and other SA guys don't and won't ever have it since they're PATFO voice on media, players aren't stupid and already know it.

That's why he was the first to talk about LMA being unhappy and was the first to say that PATFO would make a big mistake if they want to have the same realtionship Pop/RC had with Tim. Tim and Pop were like family, that's unrepeatable.

Also, I trust Young since he was the only one who said that Kawhi doesn't want out, doesn't want to play GM, he only cares about play basketaball "He comes to work, wants to be great, and goes home with his family and friends".
I agree with you about Young. He was also more plugged in with Simmons agent last summer than any of the other local media. I do get the impression he is more tuned in with the players than any of the other reporters.

[Dre_7]

Yikes yeah, I totally misrepresented what I read, totally my bad seeing it's on the bad side of the spectrum when it comes to tendinpathy. The disease itself can be degenerative if it's bad enough. That's why I'm on the "sit him out and get him rest, try again next year" camp though. I don't want that shit to become degenerative (if it's not already, dunno).

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/medical-expert-discusses-kawhi-leonards-mysterious-injury-and-whats-next-for-him/

Whew! I am glad it isn't (hopefully) degenerative. And I agree, he shouldn't play unless he is 100%. But if he is 100%, you have to play him.

[Mikeanaro]

shut him down, this roster isn’t good enough to beat GSW or HOU even with a healthy rudy and kawhi.

spurs shoulda blown it up before the trade deadline like i said. props to the cavs for having the balls to improve.

Yeah this is 2010 again, lots of old players and scrubs who cant help... turd season.
Actually this is worse than 2011 at least Duncan Parker and Manu were young, now we only have Kiki who is injured and LMA who will probably ask for a trade ASAP.
If LMAO leaves we are full of scrubs.

[KDKSpurs24]

Yeah this is 2010 again, lots of old players and scrubs who cant help... turd season.
Actually this is worse than 2011 at least Duncan Parker and Manu were young, now we only have Kiki who is injured and LMA who will probably ask for a trade ASAP.
If LMAO leaves we are full of scrubs.
I was watching some First Take and heard Bosh say he was still available. Hell, at this point he definitely can’t be worse than Joff. I’d say he would be the 2nd best big on the team. I know it’s a risk but it’s his life and he wants to play. I’d hate to see one of the contenders take a chance and pick him up and he turns out to be healthy enough to contribute.

[bklynspursfan]

I was watching some First Take and heard Bosh say he was still available. Hell, at this point he definitely can’t be worse than Joff. I’d say he would be the 2nd best big on the team. I know it’s a risk but it’s his life and he wants to play. I’d hate to see one of the contenders take a chance and pick him up and he turns out to be healthy enough to contribute.

Meh.. Joff is averaging 26/11 on 80% shooting in his last 1 game (s). Bosh can't give us that

[KDKSpurs24]

Meh.. Joff is averaging 26/11 on 80% shooting in his last 1 game (s). Bosh can't give us that
True! :lol

[Mikeanaro]

I was watching some First Take and heard Bosh say he was still available. Hell, at this point he definitely can’t be worse than Joff. I’d say he would be the 2nd best big on the team. I know it’s a risk but it’s his life and he wants to play. I’d hate to see one of the contenders take a chance and pick him up and he turns out to be healthy enough to contribute.
Sure, but I dont know how Bosh is doing in the health department.
Anyway, this and 2010 are the most ugly seasons in Spurs modern history.

[SAGirl]

Sorry if anything like this has already been posted but I haven't been able to read the board in a few days and have just a few minutes to post before I have to pretend to work...

Dallas radio host, who is a big spurs fan, just said he spoke to a source he has with in the spurs. This is what he was told about the kawhi injury

- There is serious angst amongst the spurs and kawhi over the injury. Kawhi feels the spurs mishandled the injury last year and is now using his own doctors for treatment

- Because he's not using team doctors the spurs have been silent about him bc they don't have much information themselves and are kinda in the dark

- The reports they have are not good. They are saying it's severe tendinitis and are using words like diseased and degenerative

- There is real fear that kawhi will never be able to play 82 games again and that he will likely deal with this for the rest of his career.

- Finally, he said he was told to expect kawhi to be out at least 4 to 5 weeks this go around.

So yeah. That's the info he dropped. Hes not a random dude and I fully trust he has sources that are in the know on this stuff. If it's all true 5uts super depressing
Bump... As much as they questioned you, I am grateful you shared this. Turns out 4-5 weeks wasn’t enough but the rest of what you posted concerning the injury still stands...

[NASpurs]

Sorry if anything like this has already been posted but I haven't been able to read the board in a few days and have just a few minutes to post before I have to pretend to work...

Dallas radio host, who is a big spurs fan, just said he spoke to a source he has with in the spurs. This is what he was told about the kawhi injury

- There is serious angst amongst the spurs and kawhi over the injury. Kawhi feels the spurs mishandled the injury last year and is now using his own doctors for treatment

- Because he's not using team doctors the spurs have been silent about him bc they don't have much information themselves and are kinda in the dark

- The reports they have are not good. They are saying it's severe tendinitis and are using words like diseased and degenerative

- There is real fear that kawhi will never be able to play 82 games again and that he will likely deal with this for the rest of his career.

- Finally, he said he was told to expect kawhi to be out at least 4 to 5 weeks this go around.

So yeah. That's the info he dropped. Hes not a random dude and I fully trust he has sources that are in the know on this stuff. If it's all true 5uts super depressing

Huh... must had been your post where I read that it was degenerative.

With so much information and misinformation being thrown around especially from a month plus ago, it’s easy to lose track.