Fire RC Buford thread

[Ditty]

Dilly dilly :bobo

[TheGreatYacht]

In.

[NASpurs]

Founding Father status

[Hoops Czar]

He's untochable However, Pop is the head of the snake. You'd have to fire him too in order to see real change.

[SuperCam]

this drunk dweeb would be out of a job already if Valanciunas had fallen to 15

[TimDunkem]

Founding Father status

You, me, and TGY belong on the Mount Rushmore of the fire Drunkford movement.

[UZER]

Pop and RC are one and the same.

[TimDunkem]

this drunk dweeb would be out of a job already if Valanciunas had fallen to 15

Fucking truth bomb. Valanciunas was Drunkford's guy that year. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

this drunk dweeb would be out of a job already if Valanciunas had fallen to 15
:lmao

Nigga would've joined the Drunkford hall of fame along with Derrick white, Livio Jean Charles, James Anderson, Kyle Anderson, Nikolai Milutinov, etc etc

[TimDunkem]

:lmao

Nigga would've joined the Drunkford hall of fame along with Derrick white, Livio Jean Charles, James Anderson, Kyle Anderson, Nikolai Milutinov, etc etc

Marcus Williams, James Gist, Ryan Richards, Deshaun Thomas, Marcus Denmon. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Marcus Williams, James Gist, Ryan Richards, Deshaun Thomas, Marcus Denmon. :lmao
Is that the Shenghai Dragons CBA roster? :wow

[UZER]

:lmao

Nigga would've joined the Drunkford hall of fame along with Derrick white, Livio Jean Charles, James Anderson, Kyle Anderson, Nikolai Milutinov, etc etc

All those guys are over themselves. That’s all that matters because I’m to lazy to coach guys with some attitude. I ship those guys out quick AF no matter what skill they have to help the team.

:pop:

[NASpurs]

:lmao

Nigga would've joined the Drunkford hall of fame along with Derrick white, Livio Jean Charles, James Anderson, Kyle Anderson, Nikolai Milutinov, etc etc

:lmao let's not make a list of the guys they passed up in order to draft these losers.

[TimDunkem]

:lmao let's not make a list of the guys they passed up in order to draft these losers.

Marc Gasol, Jokic, Jimmy Butler...

[TheGreatYacht]

All those guys are over themselves. That’s all that matters because I’m to lazy to coach guys with some attitude. I ship those guys out quick AF no matter what skill they have to help the team.

:pop:
It really is poetic justice watching Simmons, Dedmon, Belinelli, Joseph, etc all come in and take wet steaming shits on PATFO this season.

Glad it happened. Some content with average faggots deserve to get fired.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The NBA has left both of them behind

[objective]

This summer was such a disaster that it does call his capability at this stage into question.

It was shockingly horrible.

The indefensible Mills deal at 12:01.

The terrible Pau deal with the extra year beyond anyone's imagination.

The astonishing anguish of Joffrey and his player option. Stunning to make him the only true back up big.

Drafting a 23 year old who Pop was never going to play while keeping Mills.

Wasting the asset that was Jonathan Simmons' restricted status. He played it so wrong it was Vlade-esque. Simmons isn't a star, but he can get to the rim, something no other Spurs guard tonight could do.

Not able or not willing to bring Milutinov over.

If some fans have lost faith, I can't see a reason to blame them.

[palangi]

He's untochable However, Pop is the head of the snake. You'd have to fire him too in order to see real change.

Dilly dilly!

[SAGirl]

This summer was such a disaster that it does call his capability at this stage into question.

It was shockingly horrible.

The indefensible Mills deal at 12:01.

The terrible Pau deal with the extra year beyond anyone's imagination.

The astonishing anguish of Joffrey and his player option. Stunning to make him the only true back up big.

Drafting a 23 year old who Pop was never going to play while keeping Mills.

Wasting the asset that was Jonathan Simmons' restricted status. He played it so wrong it was Vlade-esque. Simmons isn't a star, but he can get to the rim, something no other Spurs guard tonight could do.

Not able or not willing to bring Milutinov over.

If some fans have lost faith, I can't see a reason to blame them.
You have to add Rudy Gay. He's had some good games but if his body is falling apart that's like getting nobody.

[palangi]

This summer was such a disaster that it does call his capability at this stage into question.

It was shockingly horrible.

The indefensible Mills deal at 12:01.

The terrible Pau deal with the extra year beyond anyone's imagination.

The astonishing anguish of Joffrey and his player option. Stunning to make him the only true back up big.

Drafting a 23 year old who Pop was never going to play while keeping Mills.

Wasting the asset that was Jonathan Simmons' restricted status. He played it so wrong it was Vlade-esque. Simmons isn't a star, but he can get to the rim, something no other Spurs guard tonight could do.

Not able or not willing to bring Milutinov over.

If some fans have lost faith, I can't see a reason to blame them.
All of this is indefensible. But pop has to be put into all this as well. Major changes need to happen. This is a horribly constructed team and these two sit at the top of it

[MaNu4Tres]

This summer was such a disaster that it does call his capability at this stage into question.

It was shockingly horrible.

The indefensible Mills deal at 12:01.

The terrible Pau deal with the extra year beyond anyone's imagination.

The astonishing anguish of Joffrey and his player option. Stunning to make him the only true back up big.

Drafting a 23 year old who Pop was never going to play while keeping Mills.

Wasting the asset that was Jonathan Simmons' restricted status. He played it so wrong it was Vlade-esque. Simmons isn't a star, but he can get to the rim, something no other Spurs guard tonight could do.

Not able or not willing to bring Milutinov over.

If some fans have lost faith, I can't see a reason to blame them.

Didn't they spend 100 million on culture though?

Isn't that what it's about?

[TheGreatYacht]

Fuck all of you. This is just a game. At least we have culture and class. Grow up.

NASA just discovered 10 planets the other day y'know!
This.

[Ditty]

Is Peter Holt’s wife still the owner of this team?:lol

Obviously her or Peter ain’t going to do shit as they probably kiss both Pop and Buford’s ass.

I seriously hope Pop steps down this coming off season because of his past health issues and Buford goes to Portland, or somewhere that he is wanted.

I would not mind bringing in one of the Warriors top executives at this point to rebuild this team.

[K...]

most spursfans dont realize the spurs are a small market team spurred on by two number one picks, and a one time scouting advantage from foreign leagues. Once you took away the spurs lottery picks and their ability to get above average talent from overseas we are still just a small market team. I am willing to give tank buford a chance, but like other's have said the spurs are going to try to bleed the corpses dry of kawhi, LMA Gasol, parker, and mills and wait out the warriors, houston, etc.

Not alot this team can do if (no one (durant, cp3, lebron) don't want to come and the warriors keep getting lucky breaks. They probably will muddle along this season and hope to try again next year.

[TheGreatYacht]

most spursfans dont realize the spurs are a small market team spurred on by two number one picks, and a one time scouting advantage from foreign leagues. Once you took away the spurs lottery picks and their ability to get above average talent from overseas we are still just a small market team. I am willing to give tank buford a chance, but like other's have said the spurs are going to try to bleed the corpses dry of kawhi, LMA Gasol, parker, and mills and wait out the warriors, houston, etc.

Not alot this team can do if (no one (durant, cp3, lebron) don't want to come and the warriors keep getting lucky breaks. They probably will muddle along this season and hope to try again next year.
Drunkford threw all that away when he tanked this team to salary cap hell with the Softridge, Gasoft, and Fatty extensions.

With Green and Fathead up next, he ain't done just yet.

[TimDunkem]

most spursfans dont realize the spurs are a small market team spurred on by two number one picks, and a one time scouting advantage from foreign leagues. Once you took away the spurs lottery picks and their ability to get above average talent from overseas we are still just a small market team. I am willing to give tank buford a chance, but like other's have said the spurs are going to try to bleed the corpses dry of kawhi, LMA Gasol, parker, and mills and wait out the warriors, houston, etc.

Not alot this team can do if (no one (durant, cp3, lebron) don't want to come and the warriors keep getting lucky breaks. They probably will muddle along this season and hope to try again next year.

Championships are not guaranteed, but even us armchair GMs saw this coming. The FO made moves that didn't help them remain competitive with the top teams. It's indefensible.

You're definitely right about the small market factor though. This team is surely going to be muddling for awhile. Between being just good enough to make the playoffs and draft late in the 1st, and players not wanting to sign here, it looks like 2008-2012 all over again.

[UZER]

Championships are not guaranteed, but even us armchair GMs saw this coming. The FO made moves that didn't help them remain competitive with the top teams. It's indefensible.

You're definitely right about the small market factor though. This team is surely going to be muddling for awhile. Between being just good enough to make the playoffs and draft late in the 1st, and players not wanting to sign here, it looks like 2008-2012 all over again.

It is defensible. It’s called culture.

:pop:

[ElNono]

:lol you really can't blame RC for not being able to replace Duncan, tbh...

They did a bang up job when the first big 3 of Tim, Manu and Bowen broke up in bringing in Kawhi, and we were able to win another championship...

Replacing Tim and eventually Manu is just much more difficult, tbh... LMA obviously is nowhere near the player, etc...

[davi78239]

Isn't Presti kinda a big reason they were successful back when too? Didn't he find Parker and Ginobili?

[daslicer]

Isn't Presti kinda a big reason they were successful back when too? Didn't he find Parker and Ginobili?

He found Parker but he wasn't around when the team drafted Ginobili .

[Ice009]

:lol you really can't blame RC for not being able to replace Duncan, tbh...

They did a bang up job when the first big 3 of Tim, Manu and Bowen broke up in bringing in Kawhi, and we were able to win another championship...

Replacing Tim and eventually Manu is just much more difficult, tbh... LMA obviously is nowhere near the player, etc...

You can't blame him for not being able to replace TD, but that's not what I expected. He let go of more talented players to sign his culture scrubs (a new term I've just made up).

If the Spurs waited it out, that may have been OK without the egregious contracts he's re-signed certain players to, and the bad choices to let more talented players walk and overpay worse players for their "culture."

Like I posted in another thread, these are my thoughts on what he's done - Guys that I thought were pretty good last year in Dedmon, Simmons, Lee, the Spurs just let go and kept the guys I thought were fucking trash - Mills, Gasol. Gasol, I didn't have a problem bringing back for one more year as he was still under contract, but apart from that, Spurs let all of their talent go to re-sign and massively overpay a culture scrub.

Patty Mills = culture scrub. RC Buford should be shit canned for his work in the off-season. Kawhi, if he can get healthy again should either bolt or ask for a trade. The Spurs can keep all their culture scrubs.

Talent wins. Culture by itself gets you nowhere - you can still finish last without talent if culture is the only thing you've got. TD carried this front office in his prime, and I feel he should have had more Championships. He was an unbelievable player. The Spurs got lucky with Manu and Tony. If not for that luck, they would have egregiously failed TD and his incredible talent, work ethic and desire/determination to win.

You can see it now with Manu, even though he's old, that talent still shines through even though his body is older and he's not as athletic as he once was, but when his body cooperates, he still shits on most of the garbage the FO has signed/re-signed over the off-season. It's not because he's old and wise, it's because he had great talent and still has a little bit left. He's also got a great will to win too.

Patty Mills' pathetic attitude of "uh, I got paid for what I did before" doesn't sound like a player that is upset at his play or even has much desire/will to win. Makes it an even worse signing if he doesn't care (I'm not saying he doesn't, just saying his blasé attitude about it doesn't seem like it's cutting him up).

Spurs need to stop with these culture scrubs they keep signing. Get some real fucking players. GET OVER YOURSELF SPURS FRONT OFFICE.

[tholdren]

You can't blame him for not being able to replace TD, but that's not what I expected. He let go of more talented players to sign his culture scrubs (a new term I've just made up).

If the Spurs waited it out, that may have been OK without the egregious contracts he's re-signed certain players to, and the bad choices to let more talented players walk and overpay worse players for their "culture."

Like I posted in another thread, these are my thoughts on what he's done - Guys that I thought were pretty good last year in Dedmon, Simmons, Lee, the Spurs just let go and kept the guys I thought were fucking trash - Mills, Gasol. Gasol, I didn't have a problem bringing back for one more year as he was still under contract, but apart from that, Spurs let all of their talent go to re-sign and massively overpay a culture scrub.

Patty Mills = culture scrub. RC Buford should be shit canned for his work in the off-season. Kawhi, if he can get healthy again should either bolt or ask for a trade. The Spurs can keep all their culture scrubs.

Talent wins. Culture by itself gets you nowhere - you can still finish last without talent if culture is the only thing you've got. TD carried this front office in his prime, and I feel he should have had more Championships. He was an unbelievable player. The Spurs got lucky with Manu and Tony. If not for that luck, they would have egregiously failed TD and his incredible talent, work ethic and desire/determination to win.

You can see it now with Manu, even though he's old, that talent still shines through even though his body is older and he's not as athletic as he once was, but when his body cooperates, he still shits on most of the garbage the FO has signed/re-signed over the off-season. It's not because he's old and wise, it's because he had great talent and still has a little bit left. He's also got a great will to win too.

Patty Mills' pathetic attitude of "uh, I got paid for what I did before" doesn't sound like a player that is upset at his play or even has much desire/will to win. Makes it an even worse signing if he doesn't care (I'm not saying he doesn't, just saying his blasé attitude about it doesn't seem like it's cutting him up).

Spurs need to stop with these culture scrubs they keep signing. Get some real fucking players. GET OVER YOURSELF SPURS FRONT OFFICE.

You not smart

[Ice009]

You not smart

Obviously you think Dedmon and Simmons suck as their games as based mostly on their athletic ability and not smarts.

I understand you're against talent and athletic players who don't have much skills or fundamentals, but there is plenty of smart, nonathletic guys outside of the NBA. A lot of them just can't hang with the athleticism IMO. Even if there's more skilled players outside of the NBA like you've said before, you think they can hang with NBA caliber athletes on a consistent basis? You think the whole league is a sham based on hype?

I feel like I can out-shoot a lot of NBA players, but I have zero athleticism and am relatively short compared to the average NBA player. I just can't match up with someone that's super athletic like that, but may have poor skills/fundamentals. Unfortunately, IMO that athletic ability still can take some players further than someone that doesn't have it.

Care to elaborate on your takes of the NBA not having the best players?

I guess you could use Stockton as an example, but he was highly skilled PG. I'm a SF in skill set and overall nowhere near as skilled as Stockton. I also don't like playing dirty such as Stockton played.

[r0drig0lac]

Wasting the asset that was Jonathan Simmons' restricted status. He played it so wrong it was Vlade-esque. Simmons isn't a star, but he can get to the rim, something no other Spurs guard tonight could do.


this is something that spurstalk basketball analysts will never understand

[Ditty]

Bump

[TheGreatYacht]

Pin this shit man. Fuck

[NASpurs]

Pin this shit man. Fuck

Should we start a GoFundMe for dabom's internet service? I'm kind of worried here man.

[TheGreatYacht]

Should we start a GoFundMe for dabom (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=47543)'s internet service? I'm kind of worried here man.
:lmao god damn

[spursistan]

Basically they set the franchise 2-3 years back with last off-season and it could be a decade or so if it results in Kawhi bolting or asking for a trade as the team continues on a path of slow implosion .

[dabom]

Should we start a GoFundMe for dabom (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=47543)'s internet service? I'm kind of worried here man.

I was sleeping. It's the morning now. The jizz. :lmao

[AFMadison]

Honestly the greatest thing to happen to Pop and RC is the David Robinson injury

[Ditty]

Bump

[dbreiden83080]

Yes tons of GM's would have the Spurs winning far more than 35 games so far with our best player benching himself all year long..

[TheGreatYacht]

Yes tons of GM's would have the Spurs winning far more than 35 games so far with our best player benching himself all year long..
Well only one GM has had his team play an easier schedule and that's Washington. The tough part is only beginning and we're already 10-13 in our last 23 games :lol

[dbreiden83080]

Well only one GM has had his team play an easier schedule and that's Washington. The tough part is only beginning and we're already 10-13 in our last 23 games :lol

Okay and if Tim Duncan in his prime went down for the season, the Spurs record would have been what? Robinson went down for the year in 1996 and the Spurs won 20 games.. Perspective.. You don't have a franchise player and you are not very good.. Welcome to the NBA..

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Fire Jason Garrett first

[bic50]

Who can fire him?

[spurraider21]

Who can fire him?
pop

[Chillen]

If the Bulls clowns (Gar and Pax) still have JOB's, Buford's job is secure. I just don't understand the direction the Spurs are headed, last offseason was a disaster.

[TheGreatYacht]

Okay and if Tim Duncan in his prime went down for the season, the Spurs record would have been what? Robinson went down for the year in 1996 and the Spurs won 20 games.. Perspective.. You don't have a franchise player and you are not very good.. Welcome to the NBA..
Terrible logic since the Warriors and Rockets don't miss a beat when theirs miss games. That's because their front offices are light years agead

[Maddog]

Terrible logic since the Warriors and Rockets don't miss a beat when theirs miss games. That's because their front offices are light years agead

The Warriors and the Rockets to a lesser extent have greater room for error.
The reason the Warriors FO is light years ahead is that from 2001 to 2012 they had 11 lottery picks. Also an owner and a large metro area that allows to financially go way over the luxury cap.
It happens. The Spurs have been keeping this thing together with bailing wire and duct tape.
Since 2008 every NBA Champion with one exception, had 3 or greater Lottery picks in their prime and where way over the luxury cap (or soon to be).

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

If the Bulls clowns (Gar and Pax) still have JOB's, Buford's job is secure. I just don't understand the direction the Spurs are headed, last offseason was a disaster.

This is true.

I would love to know the Spurs long-term plan as well, though, because some of their decisions in the off season left me scratching my head. And the way they are handling the media with these injuries, etc., is a discredit to their loyal fan base.

[koriwhat]

You can't blame him for not being able to replace TD, but that's not what I expected. He let go of more talented players to sign his culture scrubs (a new term I've just made up).

If the Spurs waited it out, that may have been OK without the egregious contracts he's re-signed certain players to, and the bad choices to let more talented players walk and overpay worse players for their "culture."

Like I posted in another thread, these are my thoughts on what he's done - Guys that I thought were pretty good last year in Dedmon, Simmons, Lee, the Spurs just let go and kept the guys I thought were fucking trash - Mills, Gasol. Gasol, I didn't have a problem bringing back for one more year as he was still under contract, but apart from that, Spurs let all of their talent go to re-sign and massively overpay a culture scrub.

Patty Mills = culture scrub. RC Buford should be shit canned for his work in the off-season. Kawhi, if he can get healthy again should either bolt or ask for a trade. The Spurs can keep all their culture scrubs.

Talent wins. Culture by itself gets you nowhere - you can still finish last without talent if culture is the only thing you've got. TD carried this front office in his prime, and I feel he should have had more Championships. He was an unbelievable player. The Spurs got lucky with Manu and Tony. If not for that luck, they would have egregiously failed TD and his incredible talent, work ethic and desire/determination to win.

You can see it now with Manu, even though he's old, that talent still shines through even though his body is older and he's not as athletic as he once was, but when his body cooperates, he still shits on most of the garbage the FO has signed/re-signed over the off-season. It's not because he's old and wise, it's because he had great talent and still has a little bit left. He's also got a great will to win too.

Patty Mills' pathetic attitude of "uh, I got paid for what I did before" doesn't sound like a player that is upset at his play or even has much desire/will to win. Makes it an even worse signing if he doesn't care (I'm not saying he doesn't, just saying his blasé attitude about it doesn't seem like it's cutting him up).

Spurs need to stop with these culture scrubs they keep signing. Get some real fucking players. GET OVER YOURSELF SPURS FRONT OFFICE.

:tu

we sign patty and gasol to enormous contracts for what exactly? we let simmons walk because he was the only one showing up in the PO's. makes sense.

[tholdren]

You all said on here kyle anderson was lottery talent. Ljc was a starter, desean thomas was the next... st crazy

[tbdog]

https://streamable.com/q51ul

[dbreiden83080]

Terrible logic since the Warriors and Rockets don't miss a beat when theirs miss games. That's because their front offices are light years agead

What the fuck are you talking about? Jesus Christ. The Warriors have three franchise players on one team. And what the hell have the Rockets ever won since the dream retired?

[SequSpur]

yeah fire his ass... and Peter too.

[Ditty]

*cough*

[dbestpro]

Pop and RC's time has passed just like the big three. It is evident that Pop road the coat tails of Duncan as much as anyone else. The loyalty to players over the loyalty to winning has held the Spurs back from getting better talent that could have made a difference. The house is burning, and they stood their and watched.

[Ditty]

bump

[sasaint]

Basically they set the franchise 2-3 years back with last off-season and it could be a decade or so if it results in Kawhi bolting or asking for a trade as the team continues on a path of slow implosion .

The implosion doesn't seem that slow actually.