Jalen Rose: Kawhi Wants out of SA

[Spur|n|Austin]

Either way, this isn't good.

Kawhi wouldn't be the player he is today if it wasn't for Spurs organization. That being said, could this be Spurs jabber to rid themselves of who they've determined is an ever-injured Kawhi? If it truly is a Hardaway/Hill scenario, it might be best to have him move on before having to offer the supermax.

[phxspurfan]

If I were a betting man (which I am) I'd say Jalen's sources (and possibly SAS' as well since he's media too) are Monroe and the other SA reporter he mentioned. They probably exchanged texts or a call and confirmed there is some dissent between Leonard's camp and the Spurs FO.

What makes this whole thing super weird is the fact that the team doctors found no structural issues (if that report is true) with Leonard's quad, yet Leonard still reports feeling pain enough to sit a huge portion of the season. Unless he's doing this half out of rehab half sitting out style (like what you see in the NFL when RBs/WRs are unhappy).

[MaNu4Tres]

Thanks for sharing.

sounds to me like Kawhi is holding himself out. which goes right with what Pop said, that he didn't have confidence in his body to be playing and that he wasn't well enough.

That should silence the spurstalk fan mob that was arguing it was all a Pop shtick and that Kawhi ought to be playing bcczzzzzz... :ihit

In reality Kawhi hasn't been that well and he's looking to get better. but I know that will not end the trolling.

That's from the same source who said Kawhi was worried about the roster back in October... 3 months after FA period..

[SAGirl]

That's from the same source who said Kawhi was worried about the roster back in October... 3 months after FA period..
Unlike Chinook I disagree the summer moves and the roster they signed is A-ok... but I think the point he made about the injury being crucial is key personally.

That is where this chilling is coming from. I don't credit the statements about Kawhi being concerned for the roster, personally.. even though I myself am concerned about this roster.

[TDomination]

If only we were like Cleveland where we could attract big name free agents like Love, Thomas, Rose, Wade. They have such a great team.

Kawhi knows it takes more than big name players to win in this league. You do need some but not everyone is going to make a super team like the warriors. You need the right parts, the right pieces. So I call B.S. about him wanting to leave SA because we can't attract big FA's.

Kyrie did want to come here. Aldridge did come here, Rudy Gay signed with us.

Mills was a bad signing but that happens to a lot of teams.

Idk I just don't see this being the main issue. I do believe he's frustrated but I just think it's because of his injury. Not being able to finish playoffs last year and hardly play this year is taking it's toll on him.

[Seventyniner]

:lol again not sure why anybody would take Jalen fucking Rose seriously tbh...

As I said probably some tensions between Kawhi staff / crew and FO over injury treatment and rehab and maybe some of his crew complaining here and there about Spurs not getting sufficient help for Kawhi. It is nevertheless very unlikely that those rumors come from Kawhi, dude is imho entirely focused on his rehad and try to not freak out about a possible grant hill shit... you think he would throw under the bus the organization when he was not able to play 10 games this season ? also very doubtful when you know a bit his personality.

Wizard's First Rule: People will believe anything if they either want it to be true or are afraid that it is.

[Dre_7]

That's exactly how you play this if you're Leonard's de-facto agent. You let the story leak (or feed it and state the terms of the leak) and then back off to preserve your own image. But the statement is made and well heard at this point. Spurs have to do something otherwise they will lose Leonard.

If that is true, then I would feel really comfortable. They will make sure to do whatever it takes to keep him happy in San Antonio.

[bic50]

Either way, this isn't good.

Kawhi wouldn't be the player he is today if it wasn't for Spurs organization. That being said, could this be Spurs jabber to rid themselves of who they've determined is an ever-injured Kawhi? If it truly is a Hardaway/Hill scenario, it might be best to have him move on before having to offer the supermax.
Wrong

[Clipper Nation]

Take this with a grain of salt, if you want to believe it.

https://www.si.com/sports-illustrated/video/2018/01/23/si-now-tuesday-january-23-2018

Quote:

Jared Zwerling: "I had a phone conversation yesterday with Dennis Robertson, Kawhi's uncle and business manager, who is based in New Jersey. Dennis called me and we had a nice chat. Before Dennis called me he said he had a conversation with RC Buford, GM of the Spurs, and said they had a great conversation. Overall, here's the consensus: the story is farthest from the truth. That was a quote from Dennis. We talked about the situation. Really, there's no issue between Kawhi and the Spurs. Kawhi has the utmost respect for Popovich and Buford. It's not about any issues internally. This is about not having any more setbacks. There's no re-injury right now. The focus is strengthening that left quad. It's really important because the quad is an injury that can come back and bite you. It's an injury you can get again and re-injure a lot easily, so it's about strengthening that quad and keeping Kawhi focused on getting back to that strength to help him into the NBA situations. That's the focus right now."
Again, what's he going to say? If Kawhi really does want out, his agent still isn't going to tell it to the whole world and diminish his trade value.

[Big Empty]

Kawhi hasn't come out and denied anything. Just the Spurs and his uncle. To me that's the smoking gun.

[coachmac87]

When bad news goes to a group of people, those people will flock to anyone who gives them hope/good news. See: Hitler and Post World War I Germany.

Hence why I said take it with a grain of salt. Of course Kawhi's uncle isn't gonna say "Fuck yeah, he wants out that bitch". It's just damage control until we hear it straight from Kawhi.


It could be damage control even if it came from Kawhi..

I’ve stated in my 2020 thread that the Spurs fans and PATFO shouldn’t feel comfortable until he signs another deal..

[Darius Bieber]

Again, what's he going to say? If Kawhi really does want out, his agent still isn't going to tell it to the whole world and diminish his trade value.

Exactly, that's why I said take it with a grain of salt tbh

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[Amuseddaysleeper]

Wow really? Neymar had his uncle involved as well? That's hilarious actually.

Haha yeah his father is his agent as well and in soccer they give out a ton of signing bonuses to the agent as well. Dealing with family members in sports is such BS, but at least Kawhi's uncle was willing to put these rumors to rest.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

this is common knowledge in Brazil, Neymar's father is one of the most greedy guys in the world of football, in less than two years Neymar will be in Madrid

After which he will be completely dead to me if he signs for them.

[Ozballer]

I always thought that the very odd re signing of Aldridge and Pop eating humble pie about this situation had more to do with some real trouble with Kawhi than LaMarcus himself. And the rushed signings of Gasol and Patty for that matter...

[spurraider21]

If only we were like Cleveland where we could attract big name free agents like Love, Thomas, Rose, Wade. They have such a great team.

Kawhi knows it takes more than big name players to win in this league. You do need some but not everyone is going to make a super team like the warriors. You need the right parts, the right pieces. So I call B.S. about him wanting to leave SA because we can't attract big FA's.

Kyrie did want to come here. Aldridge did come here, Rudy Gay signed with us.

Mills was a bad signing but that happens to a lot of teams.

Idk I just don't see this being the main issue. I do believe he's frustrated but I just think it's because of his injury. Not being able to finish playoffs last year and hardly play this year is taking it's toll on him.
players are attracted to cleveland because of lebron. they know if they go there, they're making the finals. kawhi in the west doesn't have that same pull

we brought in LMA a year removed from winning a championship, while duncan was playing for peanuts and before the warriors had KD

[bic50]

Kawhi hasn't come out and denied anything. Just the Spurs and his uncle. To me that's the smoking gun.
He really doesn't have to.

[BatManu20]

Kawhi officially responds to the rumors that he wants out of SA! Straight from the horse's mouth.


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[bklynspursfan]

Kawhi officially responds to the rumors that he wants out of SA! Straight from the horse's mouth.


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#KawhiOut :lol

[John B]

But Kawhi is not really out there recruiting.

[Chinook]

Kawhi officially responds to the rumors that he wants out of SA! Straight from the horse's mouth.


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Feels like watching a cut scene in recent 2Ks.

[phxspurfan]

Again, what's he going to say? If Kawhi really does want out, his agent still isn't going to tell it to the whole world and diminish his trade value.

Also by being a pain in the ass during the middle of his contract, he could be perceived as a premadonna and annoying, possibly ruling out some suitors. So the messaging has to be done carefully and not directly. Like via an undisclosed media leak.

[Down Under]

Attracting free agents - it's San Antonio, they have gotten 1 top 20 player to this team in the past 50 years :lol

[duncan2k5]

I... Told... You... So...

[Budkin]

Kawhi officially responds to the rumors that he wants out of SA! Straight from the horse's mouth.


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:lmao

[Mal]

He's not leaving, but seriously Spurs cannot just give one loyalty contract after another.

[turkish spurs fan]

i hope he leaves. popovich makin shity contracts and no future here.

kyrie-kawhi duo would be great in celtics.

[dabom]

Kawhi officially responds to the rumors that he wants out of SA! Straight from the horse's mouth.


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:lol

[BatManu20]

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[TD 21]

If true (and not some ploy from his camp to ensure they offer the super max), on the one hand, I don't blame him. On the other hand, I do. If he had a problem with the direction of the franchise, he should have discussed it with them sometime between the end of the season and draft. He also should have been an active participant in recruiting in recent years.

Step 1: Unless they believe this injury to be career altering, attempt to repair the relationship. Even though they could obviously get a massive return, no return would be equal to his healthy self.

Step 2: Failing that, trade him to Celtics for Brown, Tatum, requisite salary filler and one of their lesser 1sts.

[Dex]

Pop responds:

https://streamable.com/6wo9f

[DeadlyDynasty]

I love how this is torturing you all...it just warms my heart.

[Dex]

i hope he leaves. popovich makin shity contracts and no future here.

kyrie-kawhi duo would be great in celtics.

Go be a Celtics fan, then.

[turkish spurs fan]

Go be a Celtics fan, then.

you go be a pau gasol-tony parker fan.

[NASpurs]

you go be a pau gasol-tony parker fan.

Got 'im

[Dex]

you go be a pau gasol-tony parker fan.

As long as they are playing with the Spurs, I will be. My loyalty is with the team, not the players.

[dabom]

So many of ya faggots ate that shit. :lmao

[dabom]

Some instant classics here. :lol

[TheDoctor]

Kawhi officially responds to the rumors that he wants out of SA! Straight from the horse's mouth.


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OMFG :lmao

[gospursgojas]

As long as they are playing with the Spurs, I will be. My loyalty is with the team, not the players.

This.

Spurs over any player trying to strong arm the franchise.

[phxspurfan]

I love how this is torturing you all...it just warms my heart.

same as it warmed our hearts to see Swaggy P Swag it up on your team the last few years :)

[Russo21]

15 million for Parker. 11 million for the fat aborogine. That's over a quarter of the salary cap for 2 crap point guards who aren't even starters. A 40 year old is our best SG. No backup bigs. We'll done front office, well done. Why would Kawhi wanna play for this terribly constructed team.

[turkish spurs fan]

As long as they are playing with the Spurs, I will be. My loyalty is with the team, not the players.

i love robinson-manu-duncan-kawhi-bowen-diaw. players make me love this franchise.

you bring zaza, curry, ray allen here and go on be loyal the team.

[MultiTroll]

Pop responds:

https://streamable.com/6wo9f
10/10 response by Pop. :tu

[FkLA]

You know people are talking shit about the construction of the team but it surprisingly ended up being solid all things considered, imo. I like the length and versatility on the team. Injuries =/= poor construction. Murray-LDN-Kawhi-Gay/Fathead-LMA or even Fathead-LDN-Kawhi-Gay-LMA would've been pretty sweet but we haven't really gotten a chance to see it bc of injuries. I still we are at the very least the 2nd best team in the league if the squad is healthy, tbh.

The Paddy contract absolutely sucks but I'm thinking there's at least one dumbass GM out there that would help move it if needed.

[Proxy]

You know people are talking shit about the construction of the team but it surprisingly ended up being solid all things considered, imo. I like the length and versatility on the team. Injuries =/= poor construction. Murray-LDN-Kawhi-Gay/Fathead-LMA or even Fathead-LDN-Kawhi-Gay-LMA would've been pretty sweet but we haven't really gotten a chance to see it bc of injuries. I still we are at the very least the 2nd best team in the league if the squad is healthy, tbh.

The Paddy contract absolutely sucks but I'm thinking there's at least one dumbass GM out there that would help move it if needed.

+1

[spurraider21]

i dont think the roster is that bad... but its realistically impossible to compete with GSW right now (though houston has done the most to try to match their star power).

mills/gasol contracts are awful though

[Spur|n|Austin]

I love how this is torturing you all...it just warms my heart.

The past 5+ years of Lakers ball has warmed our hearts too :)

[Bill_Brasky]

They misdiagnosed his injury last year thus mishandled it until Kawhi sought out second opinions from his own medical team.

Oh, so the Spurs, an organization known for being overly cautious with injuries, misdiagnosed an injury and doubled down on it to the point where Kawhi sought out a second opinion that said it was more severe than the Spurs were letting on. Got it.

[Atl Spur]

Oh, so the Spurs, an organization known for being overly cautious with injuries, misdiagnosed an injury and doubled down on it to the point where Kawhi sought out a second opinion that said it was more severe than the Spurs were letting on. Got it.

Second opinions are quite common; no one gets completely right every time.

[phxspurfan]

GTFO Kawhi, we gots Murray :drunk

[Stabula]

Naturally it would be a lifetime loser like Amuseddaysleeper to be the first one to post untrue franchise-ending gossip from First Take. So predictable.

[bic50]

GTFO Kawhi, we gots Murray :drunk
Smh

[Mugen]

:lol y'all are dumb AF to be worried about what Jalen Rose says tbh

[ElNono]

:lol y'all are dumb AF to be worried about what Jalen Rose says tbh

where you been brah? :lol

[Mugen]

where you been brah? :lol

Out indefinitely tbh, Nono....

[ElNono]

Out indefinitely tbh, Nono....

:cry don't leave us like Kawhi :cry

[tholdren]

can't blame kawhi if he leaves

won't dislike him for it, won't fanboy follow him


:cry go (seattle) spurs, go :cry

Sure you can. If this is true, just like jalen said, most nba players dont want to work. Trade him since hez crying like durbeta

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

I laugh. What is Houston going to look like in two years? Ariza and Paul at 35 years old and still have not bear GSW. OKC? Melo is old. Westbrook is pushing 30. Where will the Spurs be in two years? Still winning 50 games. Might not win rings but a threat. Teams have come and gone, Spurs just being the Spurs. KL is an amazing talent but if he wants out, whose next up? Come on down...

[bic50]

Sure you can. If this is true, just like jalen said, most nba players dont want to work. Trade him since hez crying like durbeta
So you think kl doesn't want to work? You'd be the type to put all the blame on him if the Spurs don't win a title no matter what roster they have around him.

[Keepin' it real]

Kawhi wasn't much of a cheerleader on the bench tonight. Mostly sulking. As a body language expert, I can tell you this bodes badly for Spurs nation. :depressed

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Naturally it would be a lifetime loser like Amuseddaysleeper to be the first one to post untrue franchise-ending gossip from First Take. So predictable.

Don't shoot the messenger faggot

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Kawhi wasn't much of a cheerleader on the bench tonight. Mostly sulking. As a body language expert, I can tell you this bodes badly for Spurs nation. :depressed

Agreed, he did look distant from the team

[bic50]

Kawhi wasn't much of a cheerleader on the bench tonight. Mostly sulking. As a body language expert, I can tell you this bodes badly for Spurs nation. :depressed
Isnt he always that way though?

[Spur|n|Austin]

Kawhi wasn't much of a cheerleader on the bench tonight. Mostly sulking. As a body language expert, I can tell you this bodes badly for Spurs nation. :depressed

Yeah he wasn’t waving his usual towel or hoppin around like he always does; it was weird.

Body language expert? :lol

[BatManu20]

Kawhi wasn't much of a cheerleader on the bench tonight. Mostly sulking. As a body language expert, I can tell you this bodes badly for Spurs nation. :depressed

I saw him clapping quite a bit actually. Watch the highlight tape of the game in the game thread. He was pretty supportive for a robot, tbh.

[tholdren]

So you think kl doesn't want to work? You'd be the type to put all the blame on him if the Spurs don't win a title no matter what roster they have around him.

Im saying there is a certain type who dont accept adversity. Lebron, kd, possibly kl. Ironically the two biggest need help players are also considered the best. Just go to work and do your job. If he cant then show him the door

[bic50]

Im saying there is a certain type who dont accept adversity. Lebron, kd, possibly kl. Ironically the two biggest need help players are also considered the best. Just go to work and do your job. If he cant then show him the door
The end goal is to win titles for them and they've done it. If the Spurs don't win a title you'd blame him for it.

[KDKSpurs24]

Kawhi wasn't much of a cheerleader on the bench tonight. Mostly sulking. As a body language expert, I can tell you this bodes badly for Spurs nation. :depressed
I hope you’re joking. Kawhi was actually clapping and smiling and other than that acting like his normal self. Believe me, I kept an eye on him. He doesn’t clap much anyways. If anything, It actually looked as if someone told him “make sure you clap and smile sometimes because the camera is gonna be on you”.

[SAGirl]

Kawhi wasn't much of a cheerleader on the bench tonight. Mostly sulking. As a body language expert, I can tell you this bodes badly for Spurs nation. :depressed
Are you trolling? He’s rarely one to show much emotion at all.
If he’s sulking it might be bc he wants to play and he can’t. Might feel pretty miserable like a kid a the line to get in a ride but he can’t get on it.

[Keepin' it real]

Yeah he wasn’t waving his usual towel or hoppin around like he always does; it was weird.

Body language expert? :lol

:stirpot:

[Keepin' it real]

Isnt he always that way though?

Yes, and that's a problem. He's gotta have more self-awareness, given the "news" of the past couple of days. Fans wanted to see positive signs ... I didn't.


I saw him clapping quite a bit actually. Watch the highlight tape of the game in the game thread. He was pretty supportive for a robot, tbh.

I'll take another look.


I hope you’re joking. Kawhi was actually clapping and smiling and other than that acting like his normal self. Believe me, I kept an eye on him. He doesn’t clap much anyways. If anything, It actually looked as if someone told him “make sure you clap and smile sometimes because the camera is gonna be on you”.

That's good to know. I didn't see that while I was watching, although in my defense, I had 4 games on at once. Some good college matchups tonight.

[Keepin' it real]

Are you trolling? He’s rarely one to show much emotion at all.
If he’s sulking it might be bc he wants to play and he can’t. Might feel pretty miserable like a kid a the line to get in a ride but he can’t get on it.

Not trolling, as explained above, the times I saw him, he was the usual Kawhi, which is not what I was hoping for.

The body language expert nonsense was just tongue in cheek. :downspin:

[mudyez]

Probably will turn out like my last girlfriend. She broke up in 2014 and then was held hostage by a wannabe.

[cjw]

15 million for Parker. 11 million for the fat aborogine. That's over a quarter of the salary cap for 2 crap point guards who aren't even starters. A 40 year old is our best SG. No backup bigs. We'll done front office, well done. Why would Kawhi wanna play for this terribly constructed team.

The Spurs operates over the cap last summer and opted to run it back + add Gay vs. tearing it down and chasing a FA that likely wasn’t going to come. Heck, they had flexibility when Gasol opted out but nothing panned out during the moratorium. The Mills deal was an overpay as was the Gasol one. But Gasol has been very good this year and it frankly doesn’t matter what either got paid this year because of them being capped out. It does impact future years though.

Parker deal is expiring after this year and likely comes back cheaper. Murray is on a bargain rookie contract so offsets the bad money going to Mills.

Manu has been outstanding this year, so false argument to blame his success for what you perceive as a failure in roster construction. Green is a super valuable piece and any team would kill to have him at his price tag. Green-Manu-Forbes is probably the best bang for buck at SG in the league.

Agree on the lack of backup big. They swung and missed on Joff. But it matters a lot less in playoffs as you’ll see mostly Gay/Bertans/Anderson types at the 4.

[r0drig0lac]

I saw him clapping quite a bit actually. Watch the highlight tape of the game in the game thread. He was pretty supportive for a robot, tbh.

qft

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Oh, so the Spurs, an organization known for being overly cautious with injuries, misdiagnosed an injury and doubled down on it to the point where Kawhi sought out a second opinion that said it was more severe than the Spurs were letting on. Got it.

Posters here are making up literally anything just to be able to shit on the Spurs. The last two Kawhi threads are just like a game thread where the Spurs go in a -10 hole by the end of the first quarter :lol

[tholdren]

The end goal is to win titles for them and they've done it. If the Spurs don't win a title you'd blame him for it.

As i should. Supposedly best player on the team that did not come through. I have the same feelings about robinson. Robinson wss better, surrounded with less, still played soft. Difference, if this is true, he would not cry.

[duncan2k5]

As i should. Supposedly best player on the team that did not come through. I have the same feelings about robinson. Robinson wss better, surrounded with less, still played soft. Difference, if this is true, he would not cry.

Kawhi was the alpha for only 2 years...2016 and 2017...2016 Pop played cute by playing him limited minutes and ended up losing...also he didnt play Boban although David Lee and co. were getting HAMMERED on the boards by the thunder...that was on Pop...Durant wasnt shit...

Last year we would have won a chip if it werent for Zaza

[szkorhetz]

Kawhi was the alpha for only 2 years...2016 and 2017...2016 Pop played cute by playing him limited minutes and ended up losing...also he didnt play Boban although David Lee and co. were getting HAMMERED on the boards by the thunder...that was on Pop...Durant wasnt shit...

Last year we would have won a chip if it werent for Zaza
:lol:lol:lol

[Phenomanul]

Kawhi wasn't much of a cheerleader on the bench tonight. Mostly sulking. As a body language expert, I can tell you this bodes badly for Spurs nation. :depressed

Fake news.

I was at the game. Kawhi was more exuberant than normal. He would walk up to the huddle, have words with Dejounte. He encouraged Bertans. He was laughing with Danny. He was hi-fiving Lamarcus...

EDIT: Also he and LeBron had about a 2 minute conversation before tip-off - they were really respectful of each other, lots of laughs, appreciative hugs, etc...

[Keepin' it real]

Fake news.

I was at the game. Kawhi was more exuberant than normal. He would walk up to the huddle, have words with Dejounte. He encouraged Bertans. He was laughing with Danny. He was hi-fiving Lamarcus...

EDIT: Also he and LeBron had about a 2 minute conversation before tip-off - they were really respectful of each other, lots of laughs, appreciative hugs, etc...

:bobo

[bklynspursfan]

Fake news.

I was at the game. Kawhi was more exuberant than normal. He would walk up to the huddle, have words with Dejounte. He encouraged Bertans. He was laughing with Danny. He was hi-fiving Lamarcus...

EDIT: Also he and LeBron had about a 2 minute conversation before tip-off - they were really respectful of each other, lots of laughs, appreciative hugs, etc...

Nice :tu

I was watching him, he didn't clap often on the bench but I just think because it's not who he is. But glad to hear he was active

[djohn2oo8]

Clapping? lol You can choose to believe Rose or not. What does clapping tell you?

[Phenomanul]

The possibility of Kawhi, LeBron, and LaMarcus as a NEW big three is scintillating.

If that happened next season, I'm not sure that Manu would retire :lol

Both he and Parker want that 5th ring to match Timmy.

IF LeBron wants rings to match MJ. His best chance is here.

[DAF86]

Again, what's he going to say? If Kawhi really does want out, his agent still isn't going to tell it to the whole world and diminish his trade value.

Why wouldn't Kawhi want to disminish his trade value? :lol

If he disminishes his trade value the team he will end up with will have to give out less and therefore his team will be stronger. :lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Fake news.

I was at the game. Kawhi was more exuberant than normal. He would walk up to the huddle, have words with Dejounte. He encouraged Bertans. He was laughing with Danny. He was hi-fiving Lamarcus...

EDIT: Also he and LeBron had about a 2 minute conversation before tip-off - they were really respectful of each other, lots of laughs, appreciative hugs, etc...

Thank god, every time TNT showed him in the bench he looked completely out of it. Glad to see that wasn’t the case.

[spursistan]

Fake news.

I was at the game. Kawhi was more exuberant than normal. He would walk up to the huddle, have words with Dejounte. He encouraged Bertans. He was laughing with Danny. He was hi-fiving Lamarcus...

EDIT: Also he and LeBron had about a 2 minute conversation before tip-off - they were really respectful of each other, lots of laughs, appreciative hugs, etc...

The recruiter :tu :wow

Any vid of this one, tbh?

[Phenomanul]

The recruiter :tu :wow

Any vid of this one, tbh?

I don't have any sorry...

[Dex]

Today on First Take...."Lebron should go the the Spurs this summer"

These guys make the tabloids look reputable.

[exstatic]

Yes, and that's a problem. He's gotta have more self-awareness, given the "news" of the past couple of days. Fans wanted to see positive signs ... I didn't.

#holdme

[TheDoctor]

Fake news.

I was at the game. Kawhi was more exuberant than normal. He would walk up to the huddle, have words with Dejounte. He encouraged Bertans. He was laughing with Danny. He was hi-fiving Lamarcus...

EDIT: Also he and LeBron had about a 2 minute conversation before tip-off - they were really respectful of each other, lots of laughs, appreciative hugs, etc...
Phenomanul w/ the Nicaraguan goods as always :tu

[hater]

Why wouldn't Kawhi want to disminish his trade value? :lol

If he disminishes his trade value the team he will end up with will have to give out less and therefore his team will be stronger. :lol

:lmao clitternation

[MaNu4Tres]

Today on First Take...."Lebron should go the the Spurs this summer"

These guys make the tabloids look reputable.

Meh...

It's not like they came out and said, " From what I'm hearing, LeBron wants to go to San Antonio."

Max simply said, he thinks LeBron should go to San Antonio.

Max is not Jalen. Jalen is not Max. Max was giving his opinion on what he thinks LeBron should do. Jalen was basically giving information on what he heard (true or not).

Two entirely different things that just happen to be talked about days apart

I don't see how the two circumstances have any congruencey besides both being on ESPN.

Comprehension and context people.

[coachmac87]

Meh...

It's not like they came out and said, " From what I'm hearing, LeBron wants to go to San Antonio."

Max simply said, he thinks LeBron should go to San Antonio.

Max is not Jalen. Jalen is not Max. Max was giving his opinion on what he thinks LeBron should do. Jalen was basically giving information on what he heard (true or not).

Two entirely different things that just happen to be talked about days apart

I don't see how the two circumstances have any congruencey besides both being on ESPN.

Comprehension and context people.

Regarding that whole thing Max did say the Uncle was Jalens source...

I found it interesting both SAS and Max agreed Spurs would be a good look for LeBron..odd coming from SAS when he’s talked bad about the Alamo city ever since he’s been on air.

[Dex]

Meh...

It's not like they came out and said, " From what I'm hearing, LeBron wants to go to San Antonio."

Max simply said, he thinks LeBron should go to San Antonio.

Max is not Jalen. Jalen is not Max. Max was giving his opinion on what he thinks LeBron should do. Jalen was basically giving information on what he heard (true or not).

Two entirely different things that just happen to be talked about days apart

I don't see how the two circumstances have any congruencey besides both being on ESPN.

Comprehension and context people.

It's still an example of how polarizing the show is.

Yesterday they had Jalen saying Kawhi wants out because San Antonio can't attract any major free agents.

You've also got Stephen A claiming Robertson as his source for Kawhi's discontent, when Robertson was the first guy to come out and dispute the rumors.

Today Max is saying that the biggest free agent on the market should go to San Antonio.

I get that they are different people with differing opinions, but they cant have it both ways. I've also gone on record that I think they are all just talking out their asses.

It's like I said yesterday...they throw shit at the wall, see what sticks, and then act like they know what they are talking about.

[MaNu4Tres]

It's still an example of how polarizing the show is.

Yesterday they had Jalen saying Kawhi wants out because San Antonio can't attract any major free agents.

You've also got Stephen A claiming Robertson as his source for Kawhi's discontent, when Robertson was the first guy to come out and dispute the rumors.

Today Max is saying that the biggest free agent on the market should go to San Antonio.

I get that they are different people with differing opinions, but they cant have it both ways. I've also gone on record that I think they are all just talking out their asses.

It's like I said yesterday...they throw shit at the wall, see what sticks, and then act like they know what they are talking about.

Jalen wasn't giving his opinion. He was simply saying what he heard (true or not). Max was giving his opinion on what he thinks LeBron should do next summer.

I don't see how both are tied together.

We all know Stephen A is a jackass, that's not who or what I'm referring to.

[Ozballer]

A rumour like the one about KL sounds to me like an easy manager strategy to announce his/her player is on the market without truly putting egg on the face of the franchise, the player nor the player's management team. All parties play it down as media circus and in the meantime franchises that are interested will make voluntary enquiries. Nothing more nothing less I guess.

[bic50]

As i should. Supposedly best player on the team that did not come through. I have the same feelings about robinson. Robinson wss better, surrounded with less, still played soft. Difference, if this is true, he would not cry.
But you criticize Durant and lebron after they win titles. Or the way they won them. But you know you wouldn't care if your were a fan of the warriors or cavs. If they surround kl with the right help he needs and the spurs win a title you wouldn't care because they won it all. You know one player can't do it alone no matter how good they are. And what do you mean by "supposedly the best player on the team"? Are you implying kl wasn't the best on the team last season?

[Russ]

Rose backed off a bit tonight on NBA Countdown.

He avoided the Kawhi/Spurs conflict and simply urged high profile FAs to come to the Spurs.

A copout for sure. But since he didn't reiterate his original take -- perhaps a bit of a backtrack as well.

[Drew2354]

So correct me if I am wrong....ESPN is saying his uncle said all of the Kawhi is not happy stuff. But then Jabari young said he spoke with the uncle also saying nothing is wrong? Uhhh ok.

[tholdren]

But you criticize Durant and lebron after they win titles. Or the way they won them. But you know you wouldn't care if your were a fan of the warriors or cavs. If they surround kl with the right help he needs and the spurs win a title you wouldn't care because they won it all. You know one player can't do it alone no matter how good they are. And what do you mean by "supposedly the best player on the team"? Are you implying kl wasn't the best on the team last season?
I certainly do. Im a fan of the spurs and the way they do business. No, if a superteam planned to just arrive in san antonio i would not watch, and would not be a fan.one player, is good enough, can. Kl has not shown the ability to lead a team to a playoff series victory. If he was a leader, he would squash the media bullshit. But he hasnt. Its todays culture. Overhyped players with limited skill who cry that they dont have enough help. There are zero tom bradys in the nba.

[jmard5]

Fake news.

I was at the game. Kawhi was more exuberant than normal. He would walk up to the huddle, have words with Dejounte. He encouraged Bertans. He was laughing with Danny. He was hi-fiving Lamarcus...

EDIT: Also he and LeBron had about a 2 minute conversation before tip-off - they were really respectful of each other, lots of laughs, appreciative hugs, etc...

Nice post. Cheers.

[Spurtacular]

"what I'm hearing"

:lol

[r0drig0lac]

I certainly do. Im a fan of the spurs and the way they do business. No, if a superteam planned to just arrive in san antonio i would not watch, and would not be a fan.one player, is good enough, can. Kl has not shown the ability to lead a team to a playoff series victory. If he was a leader, he would squash the media bullshit. But he hasnt. Its todays culture. Overhyped players with limited skill who cry that they dont have enough help. There are zero tom bradys in the nba.
wut?

[Dex]

Jalen Rose is on the Bill Simmons podcast, just posted: https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast

Stuff on Kawhi starts at 1:15:50.

No new info, pretty much repeats what he said on First Take. Quotes the injury misdiagnosis as the main concern.

When asked point blank if he thinks Kawhi will be a Spur in 12 months, he says no, but he hates to imagine a world where Kawhi Leonard isn't playing for the Spurs.

Take it for whats it worth. All speculation at this point imo.

[weeks]

This is bad.
:depressed

[Hoops Czar]

Even Kyle? :wow

This shit just got real. :lol

[Darius Bieber]

Anyone who isn't blind and deaf and living under a rock can see why Kawhi wants out of this shit trash team.

[lmbebo]

??? new info>?

[ECOV]

Anyone who isn't blind and deaf and living under a rock can see why Kawhi wants out of this shit trash team.
:lmao

[DPG21920]

Anyone who isn't blind and deaf and living under a rock can see why Kawhi wants out of this shit trash team.

To go where

[Darius Bieber]

To go where

West coast, a real contender, etc...

[DPG21920]

West coast, a real contender, etc...

Be specific

[Darius Bieber]

Be specific

LA, Cavs, Celtics

[daslicer]

Anyone who isn't blind and deaf and living under a rock can see why Kawhi wants out of this shit trash team.

TBH if he can play and he's actually not playing because he doesn't want to be here then he can leave. I have no respect for anybody that pulls that shit. That's a low character move that not even someone like Kobe would pull. Dipshits like you support that type of behavior without understanding how selfish it is. It's like any job you get paid to do work and not sit at home as a luxury simply because you don't like your work environment.

[SAGirl]

It's hypocritical to talk about Kiwi wanting to leave.

He can't wipe his own ass.

[daslicer]

It's hypocritical to talk about Kiwi wanting to leave.

He can't wipe his own ass.

I don't think he's coming back this year but I can't wait until the summer arrives. By then we should know whether this injury is legit or he's holding out because he's angry at the FO. They are too many conflicting stories coming from both camps. The truth won't come out until the season is over.

[DPG21920]

LA, Cavs, Celtics

So LA has a worse record than San Antonio. They don’t have a star like LMA either. So they are out.

Cavs have 0 money to sign Kawhi so that is out.

Celtics don’t have any cap space either. So that is out.

[TimDunkem]

So LA has a worse record than San Antonio. They don’t have a star like LMA either. So they are out.

Cavs have 0 money to sign Kawhi so that is out.

Celtics don’t have any cap space either. So that is out.

Can you really dismiss the LA thing like that? Truth is, no one knows what Kawhi is feeling because he doesn't say anything.

[boutons_deux]

West coast, a real contender, etc...

He's originally a West Coast guy

[DAF86]

So LA has a worse record than San Antonio. They don’t have a star like LMA either. So they are out.

Cavs have 0 money to sign Kawhi so that is out.

Celtics don’t have any cap space either. So that is out.

I think he meant playing on the West coast or in a contender. Meaning: if he isn't going to win, at least play at home.

[bic50]

TBH if he can play and he's actually not playing because he doesn't want to be here then he can leave. I have no respect for anybody that pulls that shit. That's a low character move that not even someone like Kobe would pull. Dipshits like you support that type of behavior without understanding how selfish it is. It's like any job you get paid to do work and not sit at home as a luxury simply because you don't like your work environment.
I really doubt Kawhi is actually keeping himself out because he's upset with the team. All the years he's been on the team he's never shown to be that type of person.

[r0drig0lac]

I really doubt Kawhi is actually keeping himself out because he's upset with the team. All the years he's been on the team he's never shown to be that type of person.

logically this does not make sense, even speculation about it being real is ridiculous.

[KDKSpurs24]

I really doubt Kawhi is actually keeping himself out because he's upset with the team. All the years he's been on the team he's never shown to be that type of person.
Because he’s not. This speculation is getting ridiculous. I seriously want to know if they checked Kawhi for nerve damage. Since they can’t find anything wrong then it has to be a nerve issue then.

[james evans]

The possibility of Kawhi, LeBron, and LaMarcus as a NEW big three is scintillating.

If that happened next season, I'm not sure that Manu would retire :lol

Both he and Parker want that 5th ring to match Timmy.

IF LeBron wants rings to match MJ. His best chance is here.
Lebron is trying to pass Kareem on the scoring list. He aint playing for popovich. just stop it

[r0drig0lac]

Lebron is trying to pass Kareem on the scoring list. He aint playing for popovich. just stop it

also think he does not come to San Antonio because of their numbers but I think he is more concerned about surpassing Michael Jordan rings than KAJ scoring

[robert1886]

Although we are losing we are still competing with teams without Leonard, Aldridge, and Gay. Take off lebron for a whole season and see what happens to the Cavs . Take harden out for a season and see what happens . If your a top 5 player and your out for a whole season what did you expect to happen ? No common sense here .

[Keepin' it real]

Because he’s not. This speculation is getting ridiculous. I seriously want to know if they checked Kawhi for nerve damage. Since they can’t find anything wrong then it has to be a nerve issue then.

Lol at someone saying the speculation is getting ridiculous then speculates about the medical prowess of some of the finest doctors around.

You do realize Kawhi isn't going to rank-and-file HMO doctors or crooked workman's comp doctors?

The best doctors in the world can't find anything wrong with him. So, either he's a hypochondriac (thanks Pop for brainwashing Kawhi with all the paranoia about injuries ... but that seems unlikely) OR he's faking it.

What's laughable is the people who still believe Kawhi has any injury at all.

[KDKSpurs24]

Lol at someone saying the speculation is getting ridiculous then speculates about the medical prowess of some of the finest doctors around.

You do realize Kawhi isn't going to rank-and-file HMO doctors or crooked workman's comp doctors?

The best doctors in the world can't find anything wrong with him. So, either he's a hypochondriac (thanks Pop for brainwashing Kawhi with all the paranoia about injuries ... but that seems unlikely) OR he's faking it.

What's laughable is the people who still believe Kawhi has any injury at all.
NOT speculation towards the injury. Speculation towards thinking he doesn’t want to be there... and faking injuries. And all things related to that.

Edit: Just anything that has anything to do with avoiding the team and wanting to leave by any means necessary.

[vy65]

So LA has a worse record than San Antonio. They don’t have a star like LMA either. So they are out.

Cavs have 0 money to sign Kawhi so that is out.

Celtics don’t have any cap space either. So that is out.

Not saying it will happen, but:

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[cd98]

Not saying it will happen, but:

961652549140013057

Problem is Lakers can't pay the Supermax.

[barbacoataco]

It's not that ridiculous because NBA players actually do it. Eric Gordon comes to mind. He spent his entire time with the Pelicans "injured" and the local media was saying there was nothing wrong with him. Sure enough he goes to Houston and he's fine and all the vague injuries go away.

I'm not saying that's the case with Leonard but you can't really rule it out in today's NBA.

[vy65]

Problem is Lakers can't pay the Supermax.

Not saying it will happen. But the idea that the Lakers can't put together a competitive roster is something of a misnomer.

[Stand]

No MVP caliber player is going to tarnish his legacy by sitting out a whole season for a bogus injury. Especially when he is on the cusp of getting a massive raise. Obviously, Kawhi feels like there is something still wrong and so it is hard to fault him for that. Whether he is right or not is a whole other subject.

I'm on the side of letting him just sit out the season at this point. Let him get where he feels he needs to be and let's tool up for next year. And that has the added benefit of letting Aldridge and our flawed roster crash and burn. Which sets up the perfect excuse for the Spurs to do an uncharacteristic Spurs move and blow up the roster in the offseason.

[cd98]

Not saying it will happen. But the idea that the Lakers can't put together a competitive roster is something of a misnomer.

I agree. But Jerry West isn't running that team. They'll find a way to screw it up.

[Russ]

I agree. But Jerry West isn't running that team. They'll find a way to screw it up.

That's right. The Lakers are a poorly-run franchise and will be for the foreseeable future.

[Keepin' it real]

NOT speculation towards the injury. Speculation towards thinking he doesn’t want to be there... and faking injuries. And all things related to that.

Edit: Just anything that has anything to do with avoiding the team and wanting to leave by any means necessary.

Why is it so outrageous that he might be faking an injury? Just because he's the best player on our favorite team doesn't mean he's beyond reproach.

And his absence on the bench during games and his silence overall makes the situation look even more suspect.

[Ozballer]

Bottom line, this saga continues because KL has not come out to quiet any rumours down. You would think that he would have said something by now if he was really bothered with it all. Because he doesn't, speculation mounts. Him saying something would put an end to the intrigue. At least temporarily.
In the very end, you have to conclude there is something fishy going on. Maybe unresolved.
I also dare say this has been brewing for a while and somehow PATFO was expecting a no KL year. This is where the extension of LMA deal and all the rushed re signings make sense. If they had KL on board, I doubt they would have prolonged LMAs deal and given some charity contracts away like they did with PG and PM

[KDKSpurs24]

Why is it so outrageous that he might be faking an injury? Just because he's the best player on our favorite team doesn't mean he's beyond reproach.

And his absence on the bench during games and his silence overall makes the situation look even more suspect.
So a guy who’s always silent is being silent? Not weird at all. He’s just a different kind of dude. Always been awkward so it doesn’t surprise me.

And he isnt on the bench for road games. Almost all injured players in the NBA doesnt show up to road games. I almost always see him at home games.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Kawhi has said he doesn't pay attention to what's said by the sports talking heads or social media. So, he might not even be paying attention...all the while Spurstalk continues to burn to the ground in his absence.

[weeks]

for the people who were clowning on Jalen Rose, I'd like to remind you that Stephen A Smith corroborated this based on what he was 'hearing' as well.
I know we all hate Smith for being a blowhard celebrity, and he ain't Woj by any stretch...still, he's got more credibility than Rose IMO.

[boutons_deux]

for the people who were clowning on Jalen Rose, I'd like to remind you that Stephen A Smith corroborated this based on what he was 'hearing' as well.
I know we all hate Smith for being a blowhard celebrity, and he ain't Woj by any stretch...still, he's got more credibility than Rose IMO.

like all news, there's an echo chamber, with journalists / commentators in need of something, anything to say, "news", will repeat what they've heard without verification or accounability, like "The Pope endorses Don The Con Trash"

There are probably sinister types not in SA who want KL out of SA and on the market.

[robert1886]

Rose is an idiot and he’s never liked the spurs .

[Keepin' it real]

Rose is an idiot and he’s never liked the spurs .

Rose has never liked the Spurs, so he's an idiot. -- spurstalk

FIFY

[Vito Corleone]

I personally think it's the Spurs organization looking to do two things.

1. Tank the season for a good draft pick
2. set up aldridge for a good trade in the off season.

[sasaint]

I personally think it's the Spurs organization looking to do two things.

1. Tank the season for a good draft pick
2. set up aldridge for a good trade in the off season.

Tanking teams don't run up the kind of first half record the Spurs did. Tanking at mid-season would be a really incompetent tank-job.

[SAGirl]

Tanking teams don't run up the kind of first half record the Spurs did. Tanking at mid-season would be a really incompetent tank-job.
Tanking teams also don’t play veterans heavy minutes over their youth. No reason Derrick White should be in the d’league in a tanking team and no reason not to play him over some veterans in this team. They wouldn’t have reupped Pau and Mills and it would have been time to ship off Tony’s expiring deal for assets. People have no idea what a real tank job is.

[spurs10]

Tanking teams don't run up the kind of first half record the Spurs did. Tanking at mid-season would be a really incompetent tank-job. :toast


Tanking teams also don’t play veterans heavy minutes over their youth. No reason Derrick White should be in the d’league in a tanking team and no reason not to play him over some veterans in this team. They wouldn’t have reupped Pau and Mills and it would have been time to ship off Tony’s expiring deal for assets. People have no idea what a real tank job is.
:toast

[spurs10]

Anyone that thinks Kawhi, while collecting almost $20 million this season, is faking his injury might want to consider the ramifications of ripping off a team for that kind of money. As discussed in another thread, Although his absence has been tough, I’m more concerned about the future. He should come back this season, but nobody knows for sure. It’s cost the Spurs a lot more than his salary him being out. The revenue lost will be especially bad if we don't have a good run in the playoffs.

[Leetonidas]

Yep, anyone who thinks Kawhi is sitting out for fun or the conspiracy tards who think this is some kind of play by PATFO are retarded. Star player would never sit out or let himself be held out just for funsies

[sasaint]

Tanking teams also don’t play veterans heavy minutes over their youth. No reason Derrick White should be in the d’league in a tanking team and no reason not to play him over some veterans in this team. They wouldn’t have reupped Pau and Mills and it would have been time to ship off Tony’s expiring deal for assets. People have no idea what a real tank job is.


Anyone that thinks Kawhi, while collecting almost $20 million this season, is faking his injury might want to consider the ramifications of ripping off a team for that kind of money. As discussed in another thread, Although his absence has been tough, I’m more concerned about the future. He should come back this season, but nobody knows for sure. It’s cost the Spurs a lot more than his salary him being out. The revenue lost will be especially bad if we don't have a good run in the playoffs.

:tu In this Lost Season, two things (at least) are certain. One is that the Spurs had no plans in the off-season, pre-season or early season to tank; and they are not tanking now. The second certainty is that Kawhi has a real, serious (albeit mysterious) injury.

The only real mystery to me is what Kawhi's thoughts and feelings are about the Spurs team/organization.

[SAGirl]

:tu In this Lost Season, two things (at least) are certain. One is that the Spurs had no plans in the off-season, pre-season or early season to tank; and they are not tanking now. The second certainty is that Kawhi has a real, serious (albeit mysterious) injury.

The only real mystery to me is what Kawhi's thoughts and feelings are about the Spurs team/organization.
I agree completely.

I am really concerned for Kawhi. If he's not back early March, there's almost no point in trying to reintegrate him after. What really concerns me about Kawhi is... do you remember Tiago's calf issue. He had a bad calf going into the 2014/15 season, he saw specialists. At one point they thought it was related to a back problem. Bottom line, they never solved it and he has since (this offseason) come out saying he had always battled through pain and since that 2015 season he basically played with varying levels of pain whenever he was on the court. He was never 100%. Playing made his pain flare up to the point where he said it affected his daily activities, sitting and doing normal things... (does that not remind you of Kawhi barely being able to climb some stairs?)... That bad calf and sore back, basically retired Tiago. I hope to be wrong, but this injury just doesn't give me a good feeling.

[sasaint]

I agree completely.

I am really concerned for Kawhi. If he's not back early March, there's almost no point in trying to reintegrate him after. What really concerns me about Kawhi is... do you remember Tiago's calf issue. He had a bad calf going into the 2014/15 season, he saw specialists. At one point they thought it was related to a back problem. Bottom line, they never solved it and he has since (this offseason) come out saying he had always battled through pain and since that 2015 season he basically played with varying levels of pain whenever he was on the court. He was never 100%. Playing made his pain flare up to the point where he said it affected his daily activities, sitting and doing normal things... (does that not remind you of Kawhi barely being able to climb some stairs?)... That bad calf and sore back, basically retired Tiago. I hope to be wrong, but this injury just doesn't give me a good feeling.

Yes, I remember Tiago's injury well, and for a Spurs fan it feels like a horrible harbinger for Kawhi.

In retrospect, Tiago's injury may have been the impetus for the team's subsequent moves that have resulted in the team we have today. Would PATFO been less inclined to dump a healthy Tiago? Would a healthy Tiago have caused the Spurs to focus on a different FA or FAs than LMA?

[SAGirl]

Yes, I remember Tiago's injury well, and for a Spurs fan it feels like a horrible harbinger for Kawhi.

In retrospect, Tiago's injury may have been the impetus for the team's subsequent moves that have resulted in the team we have today. Would PATFO been less inclined to dump a healthy Tiago? Would a healthy Tiago have caused the Spurs to focus on a different FA or FAs than LMA?
It's an obvious hypothetical but not unfounded.
I remember one of the things that Pop said in 2015 when they asked him what impressed him about Lamarcus Aldridge and made the team want to pursue him aggressively as a FA... Pop said, he was always impressed that Lamarcus carried a very heavy burden for Portland. He played heavy minutes each season and they asked him to do a lot for the team. It always stuck with me that durability, playing heavy minutes and ability to carry a large burden were the reasons Pop cited first. Do you remember that interview?

The concern might have been that Timmy needed rest games through the season, Tiago was completely undependable and Kawhi would not have a quality big man to share a heavy mintues and workload burden...

[sasaint]

It's an obvious hypothetical but not unfounded.
I remember one of the things that Pop said in 2015 when they asked him what impressed him about Lamarcus Aldridge and made the team want to pursue him aggressively as a FA... Pop said, he was always impressed that Lamarcus carried a very heavy burden for Portland. He played heavy minutes each season and they asked him to do a lot for the team. It always stuck with me that durability, playing heavy minutes and ability to carry a large burden were the reasons Pop cited first. Do you remember that interview?

The concern might have been that Timmy needed rest games through the season, Tiago was completely undependable and Kawhi would not have a quality big man to share a heavy mintues and workload burden...

Sorry, I don't remember that interview. Your memory for such things is far better than mine. : toast

I do remember Tiago's pretty much taking LMA out of the prior playoff series. A healthy Tiago was an excellent, agile big defender - even if he was pretty awkward on offense. Haha.

[robert1886]

Rose has never liked the Spurs, so he's an idiot. -- spurstalk

FIFY

Hes not an idiot because he doesn’t like the spurs he’s an idiot because he’s never been an insider for information and hearing him talk basketball is terrible .

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Jalen's source was obviously the uncle.

[tholdren]

Hes not an idiot because he doesn’t like the spurs he’s an idiot because he’s never been an insider for information and hearing him talk basketball is terrible .

Well he was ghetto flash that helped make the nba what it has become today... sadly he called grant hill an uncle tom.... yet grant hill was light years better than rose. He got drated because he wore long shorts. ENTERTAINMENT

[BatManu20]

LA seems confident :td

965017312662233088

[weeks]

LA seems confident :td

965017312662233088

Jabari gaveth, Lamarcus tooketh :(

[spurs10]

LA seems confident :td

965017312662233088 Yeah no doubts here! :bang

[tholdren]

Kl a hoe

[bic50]

Kl a hoe
Who would you trade him for?

[tholdren]

Who would you trade him for?

Butler and towns

[Ice009]

Butler and towns

For both? Minnesota wouldn't do that trade, not for both.

[bic50]

Butler and towns
:lol

[rasuo214]

tholdren won't mention a serious trade proposal because when it turns out to be a dud it'll be brought up all the time (apo). In case people haven't noticed, several high level players have been traded the last year + that would be a good barometer of the trade market (which isn't very good).