That BS was Sacramento/Lakers '02 WCF all over again

[UNT Eagles 2016]

The better team winning handily vs. the league's most pampered favorite butt-buddies, and then getting royally screwed out of the conference championship by the referees...... hmm, where have I seen this before?

I almost got kicked out of a bar (got warned along with 2 Jags fans in attendance), and I don't even care about the Jaguars. That was among the most egregious one-sided officiated games in sports history.

[Raven]

i thought it was a well called game, jags got away with a lot of PI though.

[The Gemini Method]

There wasn't any gregariously flawed calls. Sure the Pats could've been called for more, but the Jags got away with quite a bit of PI. Good to see you didn't off yourself for realsies though.

[monosylab1k]

The better team winning handily vs. the league's most pampered favorite butt-buddies, and then getting royally screwed out of the conference championship by the referees...... hmm, where have I seen this before?

I almost got kicked out of a bar (got warned along with 2 Jags fans in attendance), and I don't even care about the Jaguars. That was among the most egregious one-sided officiated games in sports history.

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[UNT Eagles 2016]

There wasn't any gregariously flawed calls. Sure the Pats could've been called for more, but the Jags got away with quite a bit of PI. Good to see you didn't off yourself for realsies though.

patsyfags got away with shit all game, and the 2 big PI calls (that directly led to 14 points for the cheaters) against jacksonville were complete bogus, especially the second one late in the game. The one near the end of the first half was arguable, but you don't call that shit to gift wrap points in the playoffs, especially not if you're not going to call it both sides. You let them play unless it's flagrant, to the face etc.

This was egregiously rigged.

[Monostradamus]

patsyfags got away with shit all game, and the 2 big PI calls (that directly led to 14 points for the cheaters) against jacksonville were complete bogus, especially the second one late in the game. The one near the end of the first half was arguable, but you don't call that shit to gift wrap points in the playoffs, especially not if you're not going to call it both sides. You let them play unless it's flagrant, to the face etc.

This was egregiously rigged.

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[UNT Eagles 2016]

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Nope. And I'm brutally honest and fair, too.

I'm the first Spurs fan on ST to admit that the Spurs got the benefit of the league/officiating in 2007, against the Suns in the playoffs. That was the one team, along with maybe the early 00s Kings, that the league hated worse than the Spurs for some reason.

But it's undeniable the Spurs have been on the wrong side of the majority of the rigged bullshit in the playoffs since the beginning of the Duncan era, and it's all the corporate "big/small market" bullshit.

Goodell loves him some Patsies, it's undeniable, they pay him off and vouch for his dictatorship so why wouldn't he? Brady making a stink over his extremely-minimal suspension (a reasonable punishment would have been to strip the title Tour-de-France style or make the Ravens/Colts play out the AFCCG in the Pro Bowl week that year to decide who played Seattle in the SB 49) was eerily similar to the spoiled kid who was upset his parents put him in timeout for a night after tearing apart the house. Or the kid who was upset he didn't get as many birthday presents one year as the year before. Very similar.

What Goodell and co. just did to the Jaguars was more like a cop shooting a guy dead for fun after pulling him over for having a dim tail light.

[Avante]

The Pats were going to win that game in a parking lot, alley, backyard, etc. There was nothing the Jags could have done to save themselves. All this bullshit about flags is ridiculous.

Who beats the Steelers on the road, beats the Pats on the road, yep......NOBODY. And....if Edelman had been there and GRONK plays the whole game, what 34 -20?

The Jags were a nice story, and will be back but there ain't noway in hell they were beating the Pats in this "spot" under any circumstances.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

The Pats were going to win that game in a parking lot, alley, backyard, etc. There was nothing the Jags could have done to save themselves. All this bullshit about flags is ridiculous.

Who beats the Steelers on the road, beats the Pats on the road, yep......NOBODY. And....if Edelman had been there and GRONK plays the whole game, what 34 -20?

The Jags were a nice story, and will be back but there ain't noway in hell they were beating the Pats in this "spot" under any circumstances.

Gronk in general is an unfair advantage. If he had played basketball he would have been the white LeBron.

[monosylab1k]

Nope. And I'm brutally honest and fair, too.

I'm the first Spurs fan on ST to admit that the Spurs got the benefit of the league/officiating in 2007, against the Suns in the playoffs. That was the one team, along with maybe the early 00s Kings, that the league hated worse than the Spurs for some reason.

But it's undeniable the Spurs have been on the wrong side of the majority of the rigged bullshit in the playoffs since the beginning of the Duncan era, and it's all the corporate "big/small market" bullshit.

Goodell loves him some Patsies, it's undeniable, they pay him off and vouch for his dictatorship so why wouldn't he? Brady making a stink over his extremely-minimal suspension (a reasonable punishment would have been to strip the title Tour-de-France style or make the Ravens/Colts play out the AFCCG in the Pro Bowl week that year to decide who played Seattle in the SB 49) was eerily similar to the spoiled kid who was upset his parents put him in timeout for a night after tearing apart the house. Or the kid who was upset he didn't get as many birthday presents one year as the year before. Very similar.

What Goodell and co. just did to the Jaguars was more like a cop shooting a guy dead for fun after pulling him over for having a dim tail light.

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[monosylab1k]

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[UNT Eagles 2016]

lol... a Democrat AND a Pats fan. lol corp shill.

[Avante]

Gronk in general is an unfair advantage. If he had played basketball he would have been the white LeBron.

A big game wrecking TE is nothing new, John Mackey was running over NFL defenses back in te 60's. And he was more dominant in his day than Gronk is today.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

A big game wrecking TE is nothing new, John Mackey was running over NFL defenses back in te 60's. And he was more dominant in his day than Gronk is today.

That was because linebackers in the day weighed <210 and safeties and corners all <180. Linemen in the mid upper 200s on both sides of the ball, nothing more. Gronk is a different species.

[Avante]

That was because linebackers in the day weighed <210 and safeties and corners all <180. Linemen in the mid upper 200s on both sides of the ball, nothing more. Gronk is a different species.

Domination of era........ok? It doesn't matter who weighed what, John Mackey totally dominated his.....era.....ok? Not unlike Rocky Marciano, Babe Ruth, Jesse Owens****.


**** disregard Owens, he was beat many times by Eulace Peacock.

[monosylab1k]

lol... a Democrat AND a Pats fan. lol corp shill.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/ed9e4d9ca989543c167cf300de6cea37/tenor.gif?itemid=8736604

Also, Pats are Trump’s team brah.

[Spurtacular]

lol... a Democrat AND a Pats fan. lol corp shill.

:lol

[Spurtacular]

I'd like to see some video of the disputed plays. But this doesn't rised to 02 Sac/LAL levels, tbh.

[monosylab1k]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csZusmtNzRw

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csZusmtNzRw
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[monosylab1k]

Holy shit, that was more forced than a Dion Waiters heat check :lol Shoulda held it together until Sunday and hoped the Pats lost, then drop the Cartman gif. I’m sure Spurtacular will give a smiley tho.

[spurraider21]

Holy shit, that was more forced than a Dion Waiters heat check :lol Shoulda held it together until Sunday and hoped the Pats lost, then drop the Cartman gif. I’m sure Spurtacular will give a smiley tho.
so was that analogy, tbh :lol

[Raven]

A big game wrecking TE is nothing new, John Mackey was running over NFL defenses back in te 60's. And he was more dominant in his day than Gronk is today.

that's a bold one

[Will Hunting]

:lol Mackeys best season was 829 yards and 9 touchdowns (never eclipsed 1000 yards or had double digit touchdowns)....Gronk has had 4 seasons with 1000+ yards and 5 seasons with 10+ touchdowns.

The stats say Avante is retarded.

[spurraider21]

14 game seasons

though yeah, even on a per game basis, he's not really close. career high of 59 ypg would be gronk's worst year outside his rookie season (when he still scored 10 TD's)

[Fabbs]

Here we are Tom. Do us. Then Goodell can do us. Then the entire PatRef krew.
https://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/styles/1000_1x_/public/import/2013/images/2013/04/macaqueblack.jpg?itok=LMiuBr3H

[Avante]

:lol Mackeys best season was 829 yards and 9 touchdowns (never eclipsed 1000 yards or had double digit touchdowns)....Gronk has had 4 seasons with 1000+ yards and 5 seasons with 10+ touchdowns.

The stats say Avante is retarded.

Dude, Jim Brown......fullback, ok? Things were different in the days of John Mackey ok rookie? TE's didn't do what Mackey was doing, ok? You don't get....era....do ya.

There is a reason the best TE in the country wins ....THE JOHN MACKEY AWARD.


This is what those who know the game think about John Mackey.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_vgG0lSZVQ

[Avante]

14 game seasons

though yeah, even on a per game basis, he's not really close. career high of 59 ypg would be gronk's worst year outside his rookie season (when he still scored 10 TD's)

What do fullbacks do today? Would you believe the stud backs back in te day were mostly fullbacks? How about ancient ...slot receivers? Pass rushing linebackers?

In his day John Mackey was FAR more revered than any TE today. Once again.....unless you were there and watched the guy play and the impact he made....then....you won't get it. Give me the name of a TE "before" John Mackey?




1) John Mackey12 of 12

Our top tight end in the history of the NFL goes to John Mackey of the Baltimore Colts.
In 1963, Mackey had the distinction of being drafted by both the NFL and the AFL. At the NFL draft, the Baltimore Colts drafted him in the second round with the No. 19 overall pick, while in the AFL draft (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1963_AFL/draft.htm), Mackey was selected in the fifth round by the New York Jets with the No. 35 overall pick.
Mackey signed with Baltimore and played for the Colts from 1963-1971. He also played in 1972 for the San Diego Chargers before he retired.
If you check out (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=138) Mackey's brief bio at the NFL Hall of Fame, you will note that they credit him with being the prototype of the modern NFL tight end. Mackey combined the strength to be a solid blocker, but the speed needed to run away from the secondary and the power to break many tackles.
If you ever watch tape of him, he is constantly breaking one tackle after another following his catches. Mackey wasn't huge, as he went 6'2" and 224 pounds, but he was definitely strong. In 1966, Mackey had six touchdown catches that went for more than 50 yards, which showcased his breakaway speed.
The NFL All-Decade teams didn't include listing any tight ends until the 1960s was unveiled. The very first tight end (http://www.profootballhof.com/history/2010/1/17/nfls-all-decade-team-of-the-1960s---offense/) that the NFL voted on to an all-time team was John Mackey, and he was the only tight end that made the NFL All-Time Decade Team of the 1960s.
He was named to five Pro Bowl teams and missed just one NFL game in his 10-year career. During his career, Mackey caught 331 passes for 5,236 yards and scored 38 touchdowns. He was a member of the Colts team that defeated the Dallas Cowboys in Super Bowl V.
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Mackey has been included in several lists of great NFL players. In 1999, The Sporting News (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/The_Sporting_News) ranked Mackey at 48 on their list of "The 100 Greatest Football Players."[6] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-Freeman99-6) He also placed at number 42 on the NFL Network (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/NFL_Network)'s list of the "Top 100 Football Players" in 2010.[3] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-Friedman11-3)[7] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-ChiTrib-7)

[monosylab1k]

I actually agree with Avante here. Considering the era he played in, Mackey was damn good. Gronk is the most physically intimidating offensive skill position player maybe in NFL history, but the guy gets hurt way too much, and misses way too many important games, for him to really be the GOAT tight end.

Like if Shaq missed 30-40 games every year, and Kobe won titles while Shaq was hurt, we’d think differently of Shaq while acknowledging his dominance. At this point Gronk is a liability for his team, where they have to limit themselves offensively to protect his fragile body, and while he’s the most dominant force in the game by far when healthy and fully unleashed, it’s incredibly rare to see that anymore.

[Avante]

I actually agree with Avante here. Considering the era he played in, Mackey was damn good. Gronk is the most physically intimidating offensive skill position player maybe in NFL history, but the guy gets hurt way too much, and misses way too many important games, for him to really be the GOAT tight end.

Like if Shaq missed 30-40 games every year, and Kobe won titles while Shaq was hurt, we’d think differently of Shaq while acknowledging his dominance. At this point Gronk is a liability for his team, where they have to limit themselves offensively to protect his fragile body, and while he’s the most dominant force in the game by far when healthy and fully unleashed, it’s incredibly rare to see that anymore.

The most dominate force/intimidating offensive player I've ever seen was the 250 pound fullback Cookie Gilchrist (Bills) back in the early days of the AFL. Keep in mind the NFL had all the great defensive players so here is this 250 pound wrecker running over shit defenses. And the guy had a real bad attitude, a very bad hombre. He was the first AFLer to rush for over 1000 yards in a season.

But when it comes to being just a monstrosity, that was Mack Lee Hill another fullback, he was a Chief. This guy ran as if if he hit the grown something bad would happen he fought like some mad man to stay upright. In his short two season career he averaged over 5 yards a carry....between the tackles. He banged up a knee.....died on the operating table. He was called "The Truck" for a reason.

Gilchrist went straight from HS to the CFL.

Hill played at Southern U in the SWAC, because of an injury his senior season he went undrafted.

Check out that average

http://www.nfl.com/player/mackleehill/2516535/careerstats


A case can be made that Packer WR Don Hutson was the most dominate offensive player ever, he was on a whole other level than anyone in his day. A lot of historians put Hutson with Jerry Rice on the All Time team.