Tony Parker showing how easy it is to be the 6th man in the Spurs system

[Splits]

Imagine if HOTS was coming off the bench his entire career in Pop's system, stat padding off of the other team's scrubs night in and night out. He would probably have 10 ASG appearances instead of 6.

This team is fine once Manure hangs it up.

[DAF86]

3.75/10

[TheGreatYacht]

One thing is for sure.... he'd have more than 2 all star appearances and 1 6MOY award :lol

[Texas_Ranger]

imagine if Duncan came of the bench...

[TheGreatYacht]

imagine if Duncan came of the bench...
Would never happen. Superstars in their primes don't come off the bench. Maybe 40yr old Duncan

[Canyonero]

Meh, just Tony following Manualpha's lead as usual.

[SpurPadre]

Would Eva and Erin still have fucked him if he were a career bench player?

[Snaq O'Meal]

Imagine if HOTS was coming off the bench his entire career in Pop's system, stat padding off of the other team's scrubs night in and night out. He would probably have 10 ASG appearances instead of 6.

This team is fine once Manure hangs it up.

Check his +/- in the latest game against the Grizzlies. In a game the Spurs won handily, Parker was the only guy with a negative impact after 21 minutes of floor time. Even Forbes, JLOL and Fatty fared better.

Parker’s abysmal defence will be further exposed when playing off the bench and be relied upon as the 6th man. He may be better off hidden among the starters.

[Splits]

lol 1 game sample +/-

[TheGreatYacht]

So many player fans from Argentina™ on here getting tight smh

[Snaq O'Meal]

lol 1 game sample +/-

Then check out his career +/- for his overall impact in games, especially in the playoffs.

BTW, your assumption about Parker coming off the bench is also based on a very small sample of 1-2 games.

[ElNono]

tbh, he was fine cheering Kerr and SJax from the bench in 2003... And Manu and Tim in 2014 against the Thunder...

Maybe being in the bench is a natural fit for him...

[ElNono]

On the other hand, when Manu got hurt in the playoffs in 2009, we got nutpuched by Dallas in the first round, rofl...

Tony did do his stat padding in that series tho... :lol

[Hoops Czar]

Imagine if HOTS was coming off the bench his entire career in Pop's system, stat padding off of the other team's scrubs night in and night out. He would probably have 10 ASG appearances instead of 6.

This team is fine once Manure hangs it up.

[TheGreatYacht]

If only Pop had the guts to bench the Honduran on turnover #7.... or on a defensive possession against the Mavs.... or 0.4 left in a playoff game

[ElNono]

Sucks for Tony fluffers, but the hard cold truth is that when Manu plays well and Tony doesn't, we normally end up with the championship anyways... doesn't work the other way around though, tbh...

Love Tony, and what he's meant for the franchise, hopefully his season of giving continues and he gives his bench minutes to Forbes, tbh...

[TheGreatYacht]

So many player fans from Argentina™ on here getting tight smh

[TheGreatYacht]

Seriously though, I don't think the bench unit has ever looked looked this good. Every bench player (that played more than 2 minutes) last night scored double digit points. Ball just moves better right now. I'm usually used to watching 6th men give assists to the other team or to the popcorn guy in the 18th row, tbh..

I have a feeling this will change soon unfortunately with the return of the Chilean smdh..

[DarrinS]

Enrique fanbois are a bitter and insecure lot

[Stabula]

They were both incredible in their prime and clutch as fuck

[Brazil]

ElNono still having his period tbh... :lol

[ElNono]

ElNono still having his period tbh... :lol

:lol nah brah... this is a bait thread, tbh... adding to it...

[daledondale]

Enrique fanbois are a bitter and insecure lotThis. Starter or not, what it counts is who's playing in the last 5 minutes of the game, and Manu was always in the court. I congratulate Tony for his good attitude right now, but 10 years ago, his ego wouldn't allow him coming of the bench.

[Pocho La Pantera]

Player fans, I hate them.

[cd98]

Imagine if HOTS was coming off the bench his entire career in Pop's system, stat padding off of the other team's scrubs night in and night out. He would probably have 10 ASG appearances instead of 6.

This team is fine once Manure hangs it up.

Yes because this team has been tearing it up since Manu was injured.

[TMTTRIO]

To be fair Manu got stuck with a lot of guys who could barely do anything without him and who knows what happened to them now. It's great to see TP playing with the bench though and playing great.

[Brazil]

This. Starter or not, what it counts is who's playing in the last 5 minutes of the game, and Manu was always in the court. I congratulate Tony for his good attitude right now, but 10 years ago, his ego wouldn't allow him coming of the bench.

except he did graciously almost 10 years ago in POs :lmao

[boutons_deux]

For TP's paycheck, I'd ...

[TheGreatYacht]

except he did graciously almost 10 years ago in POs :lmao
Manure fans don't have stats to back them up so they have to rely on making up egos and who dives for the most balls on the floor :lol

[Brazil]

Manure fans don't have stats to back them up so they have to rely on making up egos and who dives for the most balls on the floor :lol

:lmao

[ElNono]

lmao 2 pt, 1 ast in 13 mins, and a big fat L at home...

Get well soon Manu...

[Spurtacular]

That game vs. Philly could've been so much worse if TP hadn't of scored that one bucket and assisted on another, tonight.

ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) beating me to it.

[Pocho La Pantera]

Greatest post ever. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

The game's best 6th men had off games tbh. All of them: Crawford, Williams, Gordon....

Also doesn't help that Poop single handily handed this game to Brett Brown:

Forbes - 24 minutes
Bertans - 22 horrendous minutes
Mills - 21 minutes
Joffrey - 14 minutes
HOTS - 13 minutes

[ElNono]

but, but, scoring against those scrubs is easy they said!

[Pocho La Pantera]

but, but, scoring against those scrubs is easy they said! everybody has an off night, that's their sad excuse.

[Splits]

Damn

[TheGreatYacht]

Damn
Did anyone expect anything different from the greatest guard in franchise history? MVParker :worthy:

[ElNono]

Missed the 1st half, tbh... I see Forbes scoring the same in less shots and a big fat -9 on Porker....

What happened, tbh?

[Pocho La Pantera]

-9. Damn

[TheGreatYacht]

MVParker trying his best while Gi3/9bili is on the court. Hopefully it's enough

[ElNono]

MVParker trying his best while Gi3/9bili is on the court. Hopefully it's enough

You mean the 4/13 All Star getting schooled by Kosta Koufos...

[Spurtacular]

MVParker trying his best while Gi3/9bili is on the court. Hopefully it's enough

Giving up a 7-point lead in his 3 1/2 minutes to close out the half. :lmao

[ElNono]

MVParker trying his best while Gi3/9bili is on the court. Hopefully it's enough

You never worry about Manu, tbh... 5/12 41.7% right now...

[TheGreatYacht]

You never worry about Manu, tbh... 5/12 41.7% right now...
Garbage time specialist

[ElNono]

Garbage time specialist

Had to overcome Tony P4/12er, tbh

[Pocho La Pantera]

Garbage time specialist chompff chompff keep sucking guatemalan dick:lol

[gambit1990]

he should be the 15th man.

[gambit1990]

manu 7 for 7 tonight. tony with 2 points and 2 turnovers.

[HarlemHeat37]

Respect for returning after a horrible injury, but he shouldn't be playing for an NBA team right now..hopefully he finds something for the playoffs like last season, assuming Pop even gives him minutes..

[gambit1990]

hopefully he finds something for the playoffs like last season
he won’t.

[dabom]

OP. :lmao

[Play Boban]

Porker would be a good 6th man for the Spurs next year tbh. I mean the Austin Spurs, to clarify, tbh...

[Pocho La Pantera]

Love Tony, but OP :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

It's time Tony.

Don't let your ego get in the way.

[Pauleta14]

There are only 2 scenarios to me.

Either he is done and can't do more or he is "saving" for the PO (hard to believe I know).

It's really sad, because it "highlights" Tony's low IQ and raw talent, disappointing that even after 17 years he didn't improve much...

Where did his mid-range game disappeared?

He doesn't even seem to be a good mentor for Murray who seems to look up to Manu and other PG instead!

[Harry Callahan]

Thirty six year old point guards don't do well - especially after 17 years or wear and tear. It's time. DJ and white and patty and manu and Danny will be the guys next year. I can't believe Manu is still doing amazing things at his age.

[Truth4sale$]

Tony, always felt he was better than he is, whether he was young or now. He hurts the team defensively, and he always has. He had a great shot blocker to clean up his mistakes. He will likely be considered the greatest Spurs point guard in Spurs history because he was on winning teams, unless Murray learns to shoot and leads the team to Championship. Right now, the way Parker has been playing, it shows how his injury has weakened his overall game and best aspect-SPEED. Yeah, he can talk about his injury was 100x worse than Kawhi's and it shows. He has become a shell of his former self. His pride will prevent him from being a 13th/14th man. It will be interesting to see how much he signs for in the off-season, if the SPurs miss the playoffs--he will not be resigning by his choice or Spurs management.

[tbdog]

His mid range game went when his athleticism went. Over the last 15 years, I haven't seen a player that is as balanced as he is. He always seemed so square to the basket. He got to his spot due to his speed, face up, and took a well balanced shot. Only Nash and Curry can rival this. Now that his speed is gone, it takes too long to shape up. He looks far more rushed on his in-between game. His body can't keep up with his mind. It happens. I still hold hope that he needs a health off-season. He can still be a good third pg - can steady the ship, add some spark, play 20 mins due to injuries. But he cannot play 20mins over 82 games. Won't happen ever again.

[gambit1990]

he should be the 15th man.
his VORP is -0.5! stop playing him already.

[Play Boban]

It’s pretty funny that Manufans got the last laugh over Porkersuckers despite Manu being five years his senior. :lol

[SASdynasty!]

It’s pretty funny that Manufans got the last laugh over Porkersuckers despite Manu being five years his senior. :lol
Oh Manu got a FMVP and 4 more All-Star appearances? Or he led the team in scoring and assists throughout the regular season and playoffs in 2014 and was the Spurs only All-Star and All-NBA player? Oh wait that was Parker, nmd.

Oh maybe Manu is leading the team in assists this year...oh no, Parker again. Maybe Manu is shooting better than Parker? Nope, not that either. But he did make back to back threes in a RS game!

[Pocho La Pantera]

This is not against Tony, this is against a couple of shitty posters.

[SAGirl]

His mid range game went when his athleticism went. Over the last 15 years, I haven't seen a player that is as balanced as he is. He always seemed so square to the basket. He got to his spot due to his speed, face up, and took a well balanced shot. Only Nash and Curry can rival this. Now that his speed is gone, it takes too long to shape up. He looks far more rushed on his in-between game. His body can't keep up with his mind. It happens. I still hold hope that he needs a health off-season. He can still be a good third pg - can steady the ship, add some spark, play 20 mins due to injuries. But he cannot play 20mins over 82 games. Won't happen ever again.
I hope that’s a conversation Pop has with him. In a role like you describe he would be fine. I am just afraid that’s not the role or the minutes he and Pop have in mind.

[SpursDynasty85]

Tony used to be my favorite of the Big from around 06 to 13 and would defend people on this forum telling him to retire even though we didn't have many pg options and he still showed he had something left. This year besides a brief 5-7 game stretch, his wheels have fallen off and he just needs to be the last guy on the bench and take a 90% mentorship/player coach role. Its amazing that Manu outlasted TP despite like a 5 year age gap!

[cd98]

Sadly, I think Parker is no more than a 2nd string point guard and I worry that the Spurs won't pay him like one. I've been a Parker defender, even though his heavier years. And he certainly proved a lot of people wrong last year in the playoffs until he got injured. But I just don't see him getting to that level again. You don't get faster with age unless you take steroids. Speed allowed him to get in great position to finish layups and in his prime, he was probably the best finisher in the NBA for a guy his size in the last 30+ years. Age is unkind to PG, they deteriorate quickly. The only real point guard that was effective at an older age was Andre Miller and that was because he had a body that could bang with smaller point guards. The other guys like Williams, Marbury, and Iverson got to that age and then disappeared quick.

[TD 21]

I hope that’s a conversation Pop has with him. In a role like you describe he would be fine. I am just afraid that’s not the role or the minutes he and Pop have in mind.

Nor should they. You don't do that with a player who's been as decorated as Parker has been with this franchise. Pop would try to talk him into retirement before it came to that.

I wouldn't be shocked if they reach a compromise this off season and he signs a relatively inexpensive one year contract, whereby he essentially has to reprove himself an NBA player, in order to get another 2 years out of them to reach his stated goal of 20 seasons.

[SASdynasty!]

Tony used to be my favorite of the Big from around 06 to 13 and would defend people on this forum telling him to retire even though we didn't have many pg options and he still showed he had something left. This year besides a brief 5-7 game stretch, his wheels have fallen off and he just needs to be the last guy on the bench and take a 90% mentorship/player coach role. Its amazing that Manu outlasted TP despite like a 5 year age gap!
How is Manu “outlasting” Tony when Parker is still the team’s best distributor (leading the team in assists) and is shooting better than Manu. I know those things happen every year, so maybe you’re considering it a moral victory that Manu isn’t AS FAR behind Parker this season? Not sure what the logic is. Maybe you’re considering that Manu is playing more minutes than Parker means he’s better, even though it doesn’t translate in his numbers?

[Play Boban]

How is Manu “outlasting” Tony when Parker is still the team’s best distributor (leading the team in assists) and is shooting better than Manu. I know those things happen every year, so maybe you’re considering it a moral victory that Manu isn’t AS FAR behind Parker this season? Not sure what the logic is. Maybe you’re considering that Manu is playing more minutes than Parker means he’s better, even though it doesn’t translate in his numbers?
Learn how to do analysis. Manu takes a lot more threes than Porker, so of course he’s raw field goal percentage is lower. If you look at their effective field goal percentages, Manu blows Porker out.

Manu is the first man off the bench. Porker is the third string PG behind a fake PG (50Mills) and a second year scrub (Murray).

[TheGreatYacht]

SAMan acting like Parker won't take a reduced role. Kyle's vending machine head must've blocked his view when Parker accepted his bench role and reduced minutes.

What a shit poster. You can tell he started watching basketball in 2014

[Clipper Nation]

Oh Manu got a FMVP and 4 more All-Star appearances? Or he led the team in scoring and assists throughout the regular season and playoffs in 2014 and was the Spurs only All-Star and All-NBA player? Oh wait that was Parker, nmd.

Oh maybe Manu is leading the team in assists this year...oh no, Parker again. Maybe Manu is shooting better than Parker? Nope, not that either. But he did make back to back threes in a RS game!
:lol Manu is 40 years old and still better than Porker, who's already washed up and done at age 35. Take the L and move on.

[SpursDynasty85]

How is Manu “outlasting” Tony when Parker is still the team’s best distributor (leading the team in assists) and is shooting better than Manu. I know those things happen every year, so maybe you’re considering it a moral victory that Manu isn’t AS FAR behind Parker this season? Not sure what the logic is. Maybe you’re considering that Manu is playing more minutes than Parker means he’s better, even though it doesn’t translate in his numbers?

No. Parker sucks this year. Parker will not get another offer from another team besides maybe the Spurs. Manu will get multiple offers from other teams based on his play and his winning attitude in the offseason.

[Play Boban]

Imagine if HOTS was coming off the bench his entire career in Pop's system, stat padding off of the other team's scrubs night in and night out. He would probably have 10 ASG appearances instead of 6.

This team is fine once Manure hangs it up.
:lol

Manu 17 points, Porker 2 points in tonight’s critical game. Manu coming up big when it counts and Porker choking per par. Don’t forget 6/23 in 2013. :lol

[gambit1990]

how easy has it been OP?

[Play Boban]

how easy has it been OP?
:lol

Porker is more like the 10th man anyways. :rollin

[DAF86]

Thanks for the memories Tony. Time to enjoy the fruits of your labours.

[SAGirl]

He has a beautiful wife and 2 young kids, enough money invested, and several businesses, aspirations to be GM while he's also had his own team in France. I am sure he has plenty to look forward to for the rest of his life since 36 is young in the game of life. I can't picture how he will look next year if he wants to play basketball though.

[Play Boban]

He wants to play until he’s 40. :lol