Danny benched for Bryn Forbes

[SAGirl]

957801707160948738

Bryn obviously was on fire in this game and the team has been struggling to score in recent games.

The fact Hilliard also made an appearance in the game makes me question how desperate Pop really is to make a move...

[DeRozan m8]

Yeah, Danny has been kind of annoying for years now...absolutely no confidence in him when he shoots.

D is also a tad overrated imo

Shooting guard that can't shoot....awesome....especially when the PG can't score either.

Real contending type back court there

[Snaq O'Meal]

Fatty Meals also saw playing time late in the game.

Poop sure loves his precious fat hobbitses.

[SAGirl]

Fatty Meals also saw playing time late in the game.

Poop sure loves his precious fat hobbitses.
I mentioned at one point to MaNu4Tres (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5714) that Danny would be the guard losing minutes in the equation that has all of Murray/Tony/Patty/Manu/Danny/Bryn healthy...
He got exasperated with me but it's just Pop has been playing his small guards all season together for as long as he can get away with it.

I noticed Danny, Kyle, Pau didn't start in the 3rd with Pop going with Bryn, Hilliard, and Davis to start. He may have chewed them out at half time or simply explored a group that he thought could give him more offensively. Danny may just have never gotten into the game again bc Bryn was having a career night game and Pop ride the hot hand bc the team needs scoring doesn't matter from who right now.

It may mean nothing but in light of how tenuous things are currently, who knows?

[Russo21]

This backcourt is so fucked. Patty's Meals, Toilet Paper Parker and Danny I can't hit a fucken shot or bounce the ball Green. That's 36 million bux for 3 average backcourt players who are now all coming off the bench. The front office have really fucked up.

[MaNu4Tres]

I mentioned at one point to MaNu4Tres (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5714) that Danny would be the guard losing minutes in the equation that has all of Murray/Tony/Patty/Manu/Danny/Bryn healthy...
He got exasperated with me but it's just Pop has been playing his small guards all season together for as long as he can get away with it.

I noticed Danny, Kyle, Pau didn't start in the 3rd with Pop going with Bryn, Hilliard, and Davis to start. He may have chewed them out at half time or simply explored a group that he thought could give him more offensively. Danny may just have never gotten into the game again bc Bryn was having a career night game and Pop ride the hot hand bc the team needs scoring doesn't matter from who right now.

It may mean nothing but in light of how tenuous things are currently, who knows?

Pop was disappointed in Kyle, Danny and Pau after the first half, so he sat all 3 players. Bryn was on fire, so he rightfully rode that hand. It wasn't Mills who started for Green, it was Bryn. Your argument was that in the playoffs, in the scenario where everyone was healthy, Mills would be taking Dannys minutes. I still disagree.

[LASToog36]

Yeah, Danny has been kind of annoying for years now...absolutely no confidence in him when he shoots.

D is also a tad overrated imo

Shooting guard that can't shoot....awesome....especially when the PG can't score either.

Real contending type back court there

Danny Greens defense overrated?? He was top 3 shotblocking guards last season. GTFOH

[Spur|n|Austin]

Great move by Pop tbh, Bynn was excellent last night.

[TheGreatYacht]

"Irreplaceable" :lmao

Good on Forbes for following the footsteps of Belinelli, Simmons, and Manu in bailing out the corpse of Danny as per usual....

[bklynspursfan]

The biggest issue for us most of the year has been scoring the ball. Danny and KA gave us virtually nothing on the offensive end. Maybe Davis started so it could mean less Joff time, idk.

64 points in the 2nd half, definitely a nice outing in that regard.

[duncan2k5]

Danny Greens defense overrated?? He was top 3 shotblocking guards last season. GTFOH

being a good shotblocker at your position does not make you a great defender...did you watch danny last season? he was VERY lazy on defense...

[Proxy]

This backcourt is so fucked. Patty's Meals, Toilet Paper Parker and Danny I can't hit a fucken shot or bounce the ball Green. That's 36 million bux for 3 average backcourt players who are now all coming off the bench. The front office have really fucked up.

are you telling us that our role players are role players?

[DPG21920]

being a good shotblocker at your position does not make you a great defender...did you watch danny last season? he was VERY lazy on defense...

Did YOU watch last season. Nothing about Danny’s defense was lazy or bad or anything but really damn good. Even without the shotblocking Danny’s defense was tremendous overall.

[wildbill2u]

There is bound to be a stat somewhere that shows Green's defense last season. Personally, I thought he shied away from trying to beat the opposing guard who wanted to take him to a pick on the high post. He got some blocks by following the guy around and blocking from behind, but since you can't do that every time, I wished he'd try to fight through the picks more. I think he is playing too soft, does't want to get hurt. He CAN play good d, but it seems to depend on his mood on a particular night.

[DPG21920]

There is bound to be a stat somewhere that shows Green's defense last season. Personally, I thought he shied away from trying to beat the opposing guard who wanted to take him to a pick on the high post. He got some blocks by following the guy around and blocking from behind, but since you can't do that every time, I wished he'd try to fight through the picks more. I think he is playing too soft, does't want to get hurt. He CAN play good d, but it seems to depend on his mood on a particular night.

By all metrics almost every single year he grades out well. SA had the top defense last year and Danny was a huge part. Kawhi has been out all year and SA IS STILL A TOP 3 defense. Danny has a major impact.

[Keepin' it real]

957801707160948738

Bryn obviously was on fire in this game and the team has been struggling to score in recent games.

The fact Hilliard also made an appearance in the game makes me question how desperate Pop really is to make a move...

Well, many fans have expressed disappointment in Pop over the years for sticking to his substitution patterns, regardless of how they're playing. It's refreshing to see a change, even if it's in a meaningless regular season game.

[Dex]

Trade deadline looming in 10 days.

[Chinook]

There's nothing wrong with benching Green. Danny has to respond to it the right way. Danny used to be benched on the regular before the title run. Other than his following contract season, I think Danny's gotten a bit complacent, both in his own play and in his desire to remain with the team. Pop reminding Danny that he's only starting and on the roster because he's a good player, and if he's not going to snap out of his funk, both of those things will change. Green seems to be an important player for chemistry with domestic players like LMA and Kyle, but if anything, him and Pop sort of moving past the "whipping boy" phase has coincided with a general lack of discipline on the roster.

[DPG21920]

It would be incredible to see Danny actually sour on wanting to play for SA after everything he’s said, done and what SA did for him.

[Chinook]

It would be incredible to see Danny actually sour on wanting to play for SA after everything he’s said, done and what SA did for him.

I don't think Danny's souring on playing in SA at all. I think it's the opposite. It's like he considers himself married to the organization and expects to retire there. He's essentially doing the equivalent of letting himself go after getting into a committed relationship. I think Pop has done something similar when it comes to coaching the roster too, but that's a different story.

However, Danny's pretty much cut his career earnings in half by committing to SA over taking bigger offers with other teams. I think at this point he's paid them back enough to leave without jeopardizing his long-term place in the organization's history.

[phxspurfan]

At least we can't be embarrassed to have a SG who scores 5 points

[phxspurfan]

Trade deadline looming in 10 days.

https://preview.ibb.co/iPxf9R/tresfd.png

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Avery Bradley is available

[Leetonidas]

https://preview.ibb.co/iPxf9R/tresfd.png

Gross :vomit:

[spurraider21]

its pretty frightening how much our offense seems to swing based on whether or not danny knocks down his open shots or not.

[DJR210]

Happy for Bryn tbh.. he has the alpha gene, not too many on the current roster do

[Chinook]

Happy for Bryn tbh.. he has the alpha gene, not too many on the current roster do

I'm happy that Bryn hit his shots and all, but it's not like Pop made a long-term move. Pop hasn't even said anything about Bryn starting the next game, let alone that he's getting a real look there going forward.

[phxspurfan]

Happy for Bryn tbh.. he has the alpha gene, not too many on the current roster do

Gary Neal Deux

[DPG21920]

I don't think Danny's souring on playing in SA at all. I think it's the opposite. It's like he considers himself married to the organization and expects to retire there. He's essentially doing the equivalent of letting himself go after getting into a committed relationship. I think Pop has done something similar when it comes to coaching the roster too, but that's a different story.

However, Danny's pretty much cut his career earnings in half by committing to SA over taking bigger offers with other teams. I think at this point he's paid them back enough to leave without jeopardizing his long-term place in the organization's history.

I see. I was reading into your "desire to remain" comment

[r0drig0lac]

"Irreplaceable" :lmao

Good on Forbes for following the footsteps of Belinelli, Simmons, and Manu in bailing out the corpse of Danny as per usual....

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smishocked.gif

[SuperCam]

:cry but he's gonna be all-nba defense i swear :cry

:lmao

[phxspurfan]

:cry but he's gonna be all-nba defense i swear :cry

:lmao

funny how no one cares about all defense when guys like Kobe win it for show. And when guys like Tony Allen win it and are out of the league the next year

It's about scoring, now and forever. Defense is great, but if you can't score you're a net negative out there

[TheGreatYacht]

Avery Bradley is available
He's having a really bad year, but he is on an expiring deal and wouldn't cost much.

I'd rather swap Kyle for Bullock, who's shooting 44% from 3 tbh...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRQuh43va0Y&feature=share

[spurraider21]

:lol people keep falling in love with microwaves after a hot game. and then when forbes goes 2-8 from the field and 1-5 from 3 in a game while going up against a non-sacramento team, people will shit on pop for playing him

[phxspurfan]

:lol people keep falling in love with microwaves after a hot game. and then when forbes goes 2-8 from the field and 1-5 from 3 in a game while going up against a non-sacramento team, people will shit on pop for playing him

He's not just a microwave TBH. He can dribble/drive and find guys better than Danny. And so far he's been a more reliable shooter. Those alone can make up for the defense. Plus it's not like Danny is a LeBron/KD stopper anyway

[SAGirl]

Pop was disappointed in Kyle, Danny and Pau after the first half, so he sat all 3 players. Bryn was on fire, so he rightfully rode that hand. It wasn't Mills who started for Green, it was Bryn. Your argument was that in the playoffs, in the scenario where everyone was healthy, Mills would be taking Dannys minutes. I still disagree.
Nah didn’t think it would be for the playoffs alone. Just thought minutes in general would come from Danny... To be fair, Patty is playing a bit less minutes too. B4 he was at around 24, lately he’s havung some games around 17-20 max.

[SAGirl]

There is bound to be a stat somewhere that shows Green's defense last season. Personally, I thought he shied away from trying to beat the opposing guard who wanted to take him to a pick on the high post. He got some blocks by following the guy around and blocking from behind, but since you can't do that every time, I wished he'd try to fight through the picks more. I think he is playing too soft, does't want to get hurt. He CAN play good d, but it seems to depend on his mood on a particular night.
Good observation on trying to avoid injuries. This is the regular season after all... and the team has injured wings already with Danny just getting back.

[Phenomanul]

He's not just a microwave TBH. He can dribble/drive and find guys better than Danny. And so far he's been a more reliable shooter. Those alone can make up for the defense. Plus it's not like Danny is a LeBron/KD stopper anyway

Disagree vehemently with the bolded statement. Forbes rarely looks to pass the ball, anytime he puts it down on the floor and goes around a screener about 90% of the plays result in him taking a pull-up shot or a running floater. He passes only when he has no other choice - which usually means it's a telegraphed pass that inherently doesn't contribute to placing someone else in an easier position to score.

Paired with Kawhi, someone like Danny is more useful because they both have length and can defend the pick'n'roll. Bryn does not have the length to do so.

[SAGirl]

There's nothing wrong with benching Green. Danny has to respond to it the right way. Danny used to be benched on the regular before the title run. Other than his following contract season, I think Danny's gotten a bit complacent, both in his own play and in his desire to remain with the team. Pop reminding Danny that he's only starting and on the roster because he's a good player, and if he's not going to snap out of his funk, both of those things will change. Green seems to be an important player for chemistry with domestic players like LMA and Kyle, but if anything, him and Pop sort of moving past the "whipping boy" phase has coincided with a general lack of discipline on the roster.

Good points.

[SAGirl]

Well, many fans have expressed disappointment in Pop over the years for sticking to his substitution patterns, regardless of how they're playing. It's refreshing to see a change, even if it's in a meaningless regular season game.
This is an aside from being specific to Danny. I don’t think this regular season’s games are meaningless. For one, team isn’t guaranteed to get in the playoffs on sheer talent. They are understaffed and need to compete every night really hard. It may be weary at times but these games aren’t meaningless. Also, I think the team has been developing young talent all season and the team may be changing. Guys careers and contracts this summer depend on R.S.

[phxspurfan]

Disagree vehemently with the bolded statement. Forbes rarely looks to pass the ball, anytime he puts it down on the floor and goes around a screener about 90% of the plays result in him taking a pull-up shot or a running floater. He passes only when he has no other choice - which usually means it's a telegraphed pass that inherently doesn't contribute to placing someone else in an easier position to score.

Paired with Kawhi, someone like Danny is more useful because they both have length and can defend the pick'n'roll. Bryn does not have the length to do so.

Yes Brynn can't switch off picks and be as effective as Danny. But Brynn can score 20 points like a true starting SG should. Unless you like the current offense where they throw the ball into LMA and stand around and score 80 a game.

[gospursgojas]

Lol at people who hate on Green and call his defense overrated until Kyle, Patty, or Forbes is guarding KD/Harden/Lebron/Westbrook.

[spurraider21]

kyle isn't a bad defender at all. he's just not quick-footed, so quicker players with good change of direction will make him look silly at times. he just lacks green's ability to switch onto PG's. anderson would be awful at defending westbrook, for example, but would probably be decent against george/melo if we face OKC

[phxspurfan]

kyle isn't a bad defender at all. he's just not quick-footed, so quicker players with good change of direction will make him look silly at times. he just lacks green's ability to switch onto PG's. anderson would be awful at defending westbrook, for example, but would probably be decent against george/melo if we face OKC

We won't play OKC. We won't get past GSW/HOU when we play them first round as a 7-8 seed w/o Kawhi.

[spurraider21]

We won't play OKC. We won't get past GSW/HOU when we play them first round as a 7-8 seed w/o Kawhi.
if we're without kawhi then all discussion is moot anyway.

[phxspurfan]

if we're without kawhi then all discussion is moot anyway.

Exactly. I'm assuming at this point that due to "injury"/holdout/trade etc we aren't going to have Kawhi's services come playoff time. If he makes some miraculous recovery (for instance, after a SuperMax is signed :lol) he wasn't that injured anyway and we had not nearly as much to worry about. We wouldn't have to find other ways to generate offense, and could possibly bear with a no offense scrub like Green starting while Kawhi takes on half the scoring load from LMA.

[TheGreatYacht]

Lmao Danny can't guard any of those guys either. This has been proven.

[phxspurfan]

Lmao Danny can't guard any of those guys either. This has been proven.

Also my point. Danny may be running around blocking Yogi Ferrel in January but he sure as hell hasn't shown a way to slow down Curry/KD/LeBron/Westbrook etc. And that's the only reason you hold a roster spot (much less starting spot) for a defensive specialist. He's probably only a middling 3-D guy at this point because his reliable 3-ball is gone. It's not 2014 anymore.

[Raven]

we're not getting anywhere with bryn, that much is sure.

[spurraider21]

Also my point. Danny may be running around blocking Yogi Ferrel in January but he sure as hell hasn't shown a way to slow down Curry/KD/LeBron/Westbrook etc. And that's the only reason you hold a roster spot (much less starting spot) for a defensive specialist. He's probably only a middling 3-D guy at this point because his reliable 3-ball is gone. It's not 2014 anymore.
this is a bigger concern. nobody is shutting down westbrook/curry/KD... but Green can prevent them from getting easy buckets, which is really all you can ask for. plus his transition defense is legendary and all those players do work in transition.

but yeah, if his shooting is going to remain subpar, it's legitimate to question whether or not it's worth it. he was poor in the playoffs last year, but shot 50% from 3 the season prior (against memphis and okc). FYI westbrook shot like 38% from the field in that series.

[phxspurfan]

My point is simple:

At this point without Kawhi, we need more offense. So benching Green for Forbes is the right call. But once / if Kawhi comes back we should go back to Green/Kawhi starting bc of the defensive juggernaut we become with them playing together. But without Kawhi (who makes Green better due to his gravity and ability to switch/lock down a primary scorer in crunch time), Green should not be starting due to his liability on offense.

[Atl Spur]

Bradley is better than Green.

[spurraider21]

My point is simple:

At this point without Kawhi, we need more offense. So benching Green for Forbes is the right call. But once / if Kawhi comes back we should go back to Green/Kawhi starting bc of the defensive juggernaut we become with them playing together. But without Kawhi (who makes Green better due to his gravity and ability to switch/lock down a primary scorer in crunch time), Green should not be starting due to his liability on offense.
i think this is fair, but it's also probably a good thing for green/murray to develop chemistry on both sides of the ball

[Mikeanaro]

Get him to da choppa, been trash since 2015...
By the way, his not stellar D also got worse with those trillion clanked shots and TOs.

[ceperez]

this is a bigger concern. nobody is shutting down westbrook/curry/KD... but Green can prevent them from getting easy buckets, which is really all you can ask for. plus his transition defense is legendary and all those players do work in transition.

but yeah, if his shooting is going to remain subpar, it's legitimate to question whether or not it's worth it. he was poor in the playoffs last year, but shot 50% from 3 the season prior (against memphis and okc). FYI westbrook shot like 38% from the field in that series.

Green is just likely not as motivated as Forbes. We'll just have to wait for Kawhi to come back and Green should have the breathing space he needs in offense.

[Phenomanul]

Yes Brynn can't switch off picks and be as effective as Danny. But Brynn can score 20 points like a true starting SG should. Unless you like the current offense where they throw the ball into LMA and stand around and score 80 a game.

When Kawhi is back on the floor they need Danny Green's elite 3-D skills moreso than Bryn's singular shooting skill. There aren't enough available shots with both LMA and Kawhi in the lineup for Bryn to even be targeting 20 ppg. Green's defense is far superior to Bryn's and once Kawhi's re-return infuses the Spurs' offense with a much needed boost Bryn just needs to take the Kerr role and be ready to fire when called upon.

[MannyIsGod]

Avery Bradley is available

Get rid of Danny Green to get Avery Bradley? Yeah no fucking thanks.

People in this thread are seriously underrating Danny Green's defense. If you want any glimmer of hope of stopping GS, it comes with a trio of Leonard, Green and Murray defending very well.

I like Bryn and he was playing well last night so I'm glad Pop rode him but this team isn't going anywhere without Danny Green and trading him with that amazing contract is a stupid idea unless you're getting back a great player.

But for Avery fucking Bradley? Nope.

[Phenomanul]

Get rid of Danny Green to get Avery Bradley? Yeah no fucking thanks.

People in this thread are seriously underrating Danny Green's defense. If you want any glimmer of hope of stopping GS, it comes with a trio of Leonard, Green and Murray defending very well.

I like Bryn and he was playing well last night so I'm glad Pop rode him but this team isn't going anywhere without Danny Green and trading him with that amazing contract is a stupid idea unless you're getting back a great player.

But for Avery fucking Bradley? Nope.


I wouldn't even trade Kyle for Bradley tbh... Kyle has proven himself in Pop's system, and actually can synergize with Kawhi's strengths.

[TheGreatYacht]

I wouldn't even trade Kyle for Bradley tbh... Kyle has proven himself in Pop's system, and actually can synergize with Kawhi's strengths.
How is Kyle a good fit with Kawhi's playstyle? Not saying I don't believe you but I'm curious

[r0drig0lac]

How is Kyle a good fit with Kawhi's playstyle? Not saying I don't believe you but I'm curious

dis gon b gud

[Phenomanul]

Kyle doesn’t aggressively seek his own shots. And so he would let Kawhi be Kawhi on the offensive end of the court without getting in his way. Plus he’s gained confidence in his defensive game. So if Kyle is playing good man on man coverage someone like Kawhi can be more disruptive in the passing lanes, on the glass and off of weak side coverages. Lastly, Kyle is long... you can’t teach length.

[dabom]

Fathead isn't playing along side Kawhi. Especially not big moments. And Kawhi rarely even plays with fathead. I don't see any connection here.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Get rid of Danny Green to get Avery Bradley? Yeah no fucking thanks.

People in this thread are seriously underrating Danny Green's defense. If you want any glimmer of hope of stopping GS, it comes with a trio of Leonard, Green and Murray defending very well.

I like Bryn and he was playing well last night so I'm glad Pop rode him but this team isn't going anywhere without Danny Green and trading him with that amazing contract is a stupid idea unless you're getting back a great player.

But for Avery fucking Bradley? Nope.

Not once did I ever say trade Danny Green, I not only want him not to be traded I honestly hope he re-signs with the Spurs.

I'm just saying this team sucks and if there is a way (we hardly have any assets) to get Bradley it wouldn't hurt. But I wouldn't trade Danny for him.

[Stabula]

Kawhi is coming back this season, the Spurs have a solid chance against any team in the playoffs if they're healthy, Danny Green's defense is not overrated and when paired with Kawhi can stop or slow any wings in the game, and Bryn is also a stud and deserves to be in the starting unit when the team needs offense more than defense.

[duncan2k5]

Kawhi is coming back this season, the Spurs have a solid chance against any team in the playoffs if they're healthy, Danny Green's defense is not overrated and when paired with Kawhi can stop or slow any wings in the game, and Bryn is also a stud and deserves to be in the starting unit when the team needs offense more than defense.

James Harden surely wasn't stopped by Danny... Matter of fact, we let the guy who did it walk for loose change

[TheGreatYacht]

James Harden surely wasn't stopped by Danny... Matter of fact, we let the guy who did it walk for loose change
Fax

[dabom]

Fax

Simmons wasn't guarding shit. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Simmons wasn't guarding shit. :lol
Faggot didn't watch the game :lmao

[dabom]

Faggot didn't watch the game :lmao

Go watch them faggot. :lmao

[Stabula]

Simmons played a role in our success last year but he was overrated on this board, his defense included.

[cd021]

James Harden surely wasn't stopped by Danny... Matter of fact, we let the guy who did it walk for loose change

Leonard can't guard Harden for 36 mpg and still put up 25 ppg. Green wasn't nearly as good on Harden than Kawhi was but he was certainly better than Simmons at guarding Harden. Harden was gassed towards the end of that bonkers game 5, his shot selection was a dead giveaway.

[SAGirl]

There’s no point in debating the GOAT MJ Simmons best Spur to ever play ... :lmao

[Phenomanul]

So ummm were the comments here foreshadowing Harden dropping 60 mostly on Simmons?

[r0drig0lac]

So ummm were the comments here foreshadowing Harden dropping 60 mostly on Simmons?

link?

[Phenomanul]

Simmons played 35 minutes. Was assigned to guard Harden. That didn’t work out too well. But meh, Simmons went 7-13 and had 15 points. I just finished watching the game on NBA League Pass.

I don’t even know if Harden has cracked 40 points against the Spurs before. Perhaps once?

But 60?!?!? Yikes!

[Chinook]

Simmons was supposed to guard Harden, perhaps. But he kept getting switched off him. Jon did let other guys score some as well, and he certainly should have been able to get around some of those screens that forced the mismatches in the first place. But it was DontGoogle and Hezonia who were his victims most of the night.

[coachmac87]

Simmons was supposed to guard Harden, perhaps. But he kept getting switched off him. Jon did let other guys score some as well, and he certainly should have been able to get around some of those screens that forced the mismatches in the first place. But it was DontGoogle and Hezonia who were his victims most of the night.


Don’t see why you hate Simmons so much...

He’s flawed but tbh he’s the type of player we need... Simmons > Patty if I was PATFO last offseason

[coachmac87]

There’s no point in debating the GOAT MJ Simmons best Spur to ever play ... :lmao

Funny that he’s more respected in the league than Kyle huh? :lmao

[DPG21920]

Funny that he’s more respected in the league than Kyle huh? :lmao

I don’t think that will be true after this season tbh..

[SAGirl]

Funny that he’s more respected in the league than Kyle huh? :lmao
if you consider spurstalk the league coach....
I think Kyle has earned his own respect btw.

[Chinook]

Don’t see why you hate Simmons so much...

He’s flawed but tbh he’s the type of player we need... Simmons > Patty if I was PATFO last offseason

I don't hate Simmons at all. If you actually read the recent posts in the thread, you can see I was defending Simmons against the claim that he gave up 60 to Harden. That said, Simmons is not a good player, and even in a year where Patty is almost universally shit upon here, he's better than Simmons.

[coachmac87]

if you consider spurstalk the league coach....
I think Kyle has earned his own respect btw.

League as amongst opponents/players and casual fans..

Simmons has made more of an impact in the league and it’s not close...and what makes it worst is how he came up in SL while outplaying Anderson

[coachmac87]

I don't hate Simmons at all. If you actually read the recent posts in the thread, you can see I was defending Simmons against the claim that he gave up 60 to Harden. That said, Simmons is not a good player, and even in a year where Patty is almost universally shit upon here, he's better than Simmons.


My statement wasn’t a direct at your quote that I tagged. Just your stance in general..could’ve sworn you said he isn’t even an NBA player just recently.

[dabom]

Don’t see why you hate Simmons so much...

He’s flawed but tbh he’s the type of player we need... Simmons > Patty if I was PATFO last offseason

:lmao

[gospursgojas]

J Simms dunkzz wur cool

[Chinook]

My statement wasn’t a direct at your quote that I tagged. Just your stance in general..could’ve sworn you said he isn’t even an NBA player just recently.

I mean, he's not a GOOD NBA player. I can stand by that. Most Magic fans I've heard don't like him anymore either or in the very least no longer think he has any future other than a bench player.

[coachmac87]

I mean, he's not a GOOD NBA player. I can stand by that. Most Magic fans I've heard don't like him anymore either or in the very least no longer think he has any future other than a bench player.

Fair enough. Simmons was good for us and worked his ass off to get where he is..gotta respect the hell out of that tbh. His strengths are currently the Spurs biggest weakness right now..instead we got 4/yr 50M Patty lol

Hindsight always 20/20 but sure would be nice to switch that up

[Pavlov]

The Spurs' biggest weakness is not having Kawhi and Rudy.

[Thunder1]

The Spurs' biggest weakness is not having Kawhi and Rudy.
So true...

[SAGirl]

League as amongst opponents/players and casual fans..

Simmons has made more of an impact in the league and it’s not close...and what makes it worst is how he came up in SL while outplaying Anderson
:lmaooh boy...:drunk:rolleyes
I knew you were a JSimms fan but I didn't know you were a troll.

I am too tired frankly and it will be wasted on you.

[SAGirl]

J Simms dunkzz wur cool
coachmac87:
yea .. Jsimss losing but at least he dunkkkkzzzzz

[SAGirl]

The Spurs' biggest weakness is not having Kawhi and Rudy.
no the biggest weakness is not having the GOAT MJ JSimmons..:lol?

[coachmac87]

:lmaooh boy...:drunk:rolleyes
I knew you were a JSimms fan but I didn't know you were a troll.

I am too tired frankly and it will be wasted on you.


I’m not trolling...Simmons has had the better career and bigger impact for the Spurs despite not being a first rd pick.

Kyle has had a solid year but he’s played more than ever and that’s only due to circumstances not the initial plan. I dunno why you get so offended..I’m not a Simmons “Stan” like you are with Kyle.. I was just one of the first on ST to recognize his talent in SL. He never got a fair share and I feel his energy and play was unappreciated..especially by PATFO

[Chinook]

I’m not trolling...Simmons has had the better career and bigger impact for the Spurs despite not being a first rd pick.

Kyle has had a solid year but he’s played more than ever and that’s only due to circumstances not the initial plan. I dunno why you get so offended..I’m not a Simmons “Stan” like you are with Kyle.. I was just one of the first on ST to recognize his talent in SL. He never got a fair share and I feel his energy and play was unappreciated..especially by PATFO

Coach, Kyle has been way better than Simmons so far in their careers:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyle+Anderson&player_id1_select=Kyle+Anderson&player_id1=anderky01&idx=players&y1=2018&player_id2_hint=Jonathon+Simmons&player_id2_select=Jonathon+Simmons&player_id2=simmojo02&idx=players&y2=2018&player_id3_hint=Bryn+Forbes&player_id3_select=Bryn+Forbes&y3=2018&player_id3=forbebr01&idx=players

Kyle's better in literally every stat but scoring. He even shoots threes better. Career impact stats aren't even close. Real-talk: I was gonna post a comparison between Simmons this season and Kevin Martin in his final year and say something like "Here's someone Jon is better than". But guess what. Even Martin's stats are better.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Kevin+Martin&player_id1_select=Kevin+Martin&player_id1=martike02&y1=2016&player_id2_hint=Jonathon+Simmons&player_id2_select=Jonathon+Simmons&player_id2=simmojo02&y2=2018&player_id3_hint=Rasual+Butler&player_id3_select=Rasual+Butler&y3=2016&player_id3=butlera01&idx=players&player_id4_hint=Jimmer+Fredette&player_id4_select=Jimmer+Fredette&y4=2016&player_id4=fredeji01&idx=players

RIP for Rasual and all that, but ODN was way better that Simmons ever was. Probably still is.

[SAGirl]

I’m not trolling...Simmons has had the better career and bigger impact for the Spurs despite not being a first rd pick.

Kyle has had a solid year but he’s played more than ever and that’s only due to circumstances not the initial plan. I dunno why you get so offended..I’m not a Simmons “Stan” like you are with Kyle.. I was just one of the first on ST to recognize his talent in SL. He never got a fair share and I feel his energy and play was unappreciated..especially by PATFO
I am just tired of responding to trolls.

Not going to bite on the fish bait tbh.

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I don't hate JSimms but he is extremely overrated. How is that for him not accepting coach Vogel's coaching? :downspin: After him giving interviews saying he was just about ready to be free from Pop's stern coaching.

[SAGirl]

Coach, Kyle has been way better than Simmons so far in their careers:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyle+Anderson&player_id1_select=Kyle+Anderson&player_id1=anderky01&idx=players&y1=2018&player_id2_hint=Jonathon+Simmons&player_id2_select=Jonathon+Simmons&player_id2=simmojo02&idx=players&y2=2018&player_id3_hint=Bryn+Forbes&player_id3_select=Bryn+Forbes&y3=2018&player_id3=forbebr01&idx=players

Kyle's better in literally every stat but scoring. He even shoots threes better. Career impact stats aren't even close. Real-talk: I was gonna post a comparison between Simmons this season and Kevin Martin in his final year and say something like "Here's someone Jon is better than". But guess what. Even Martin's stats are better.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Kevin+Martin&player_id1_select=Kevin+Martin&player_id1=martike02&y1=2016&player_id2_hint=Jonathon+Simmons&player_id2_select=Jonathon+Simmons&player_id2=simmojo02&y2=2018&player_id3_hint=Rasual+Butler&player_id3_select=Rasual+Butler&y3=2016&player_id3=butlera01&idx=players&player_id4_hint=Jimmer+Fredette&player_id4_select=Jimmer+Fredette&y4=2016&player_id4=fredeji01&idx=players

RIP for Rasual and all that, but ODN was way better that Simmons ever was. Probably still is.

That is why I think coach is really trolling. Not going to waste time trying to enlighten a troll... that is wasted time.

If we were going to talk about real credibility. I have interviews I could cite from players this season and coaches on Kyle.. but sure this troll knows more ...
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GTFO with this troll bait coach... basically.

[TheGreatYacht]

"I don't have time to discuss JSims"

*posts 10 back-to-back posts about JSims*

[TheGreatYacht]

Kyle fan truly is obsessed :lmao

[Phenomanul]

Kyle fan truly is obsessed :lmao

Deflection on your part to basically negate the fact that folks here talked up Jonathon to be a better defender on Harden than Danny Green. Only to have Harden drop 60 on Simmons' Magic only a few days later.

You can't make this crap up!

I wonder how many points he will drop on San Antonio tomorrow... I can tell you already it won't be 60.

[Chinook]

I wonder how many points he will drop on San Antonio tomorrow... I can tell you already it won't be 60.

... Have you just damned us all?

[weeks]

the simmons thing is really just a proxy war for arguing about anderson, tbh
we all know he sucks

[SAGirl]

the simmons thing is really just a proxy war for arguing about anderson, tbh
we all know he sucks
Thank you. That’s exact what that is.

and TGY does have his troll obsession with Danny Green too it has to be said.

[TheGreatYacht]

Only one obsessed is you, man.

[Phenomanul]

... Have you just damned us all?

No don't worry... my posts don't have that effect.