RC Buford on Kawhi: “The relationship is challenging” [Archive] - Page 2

Uriel

02-04-2018, 08:05 PM

I'm amazed at how little attention and coverage this saga has received. I know Pop predictably scoffed at it when news broke of the discord a few weeks ago, but there's been little response from Buford and somehow none directly from Leonard or anyone in the media.

The lack of follow up is mind boggling. They're all so damn focused on Cavaliers' mess, that apparently the most stable, successful, drama free organization in sports the past 2 decades, having internal strife with their superstar and top 3 player in the league, isn't a gargantuan story? Bizarre.

I think part of that is by design. The Spurs front office deliberately cultivates great relationships with many media insiders (including Woj) so they're hesitant to report anything negative about the team.

HarlemHeat37

02-04-2018, 08:21 PM

I think part of that is by design. The Spurs front office deliberately cultivates great relationships with many media insiders (including Woj) so they're hesitant to report anything negative about the team.

This is part of the reason I'd be very surprised if LeBron joined the Spurs..there are many reasons why HE wouldn't want to join them(no power, Kawhi uncertainty, playing in San Antonio, etc), but nobody is discussing Pop's side of things..

Any team with LeBron on it is going to receive mass media attention..when he joined the Heat, they moved Windhorst + several others to Miami to cover the team..they made Dan Lebatard his own studio, etc..the same type of shit happened when he went back to Cleveland, as well..

Is Pop going to be willing to tolerate this? He will be questioned about roster and coaching moves far more than he ever has in his life..any controversy like the current Kawhi situation will be blown up more than anything this franchise has ever dealt with..

I just can't picture it, tbh..

Amuseddaysleeper

02-04-2018, 09:06 PM

This is part of the reason I'd be very surprised if LeBron joined the Spurs..there are many reasons why HE wouldn't want to join them(no power, Kawhi uncertainty, playing in San Antonio, etc), but nobody is discussing Pop's side of things..

Any team with LeBron on it is going to receive mass media attention..when he joined the Heat, they moved Windhorst + several others to Miami to cover the team..they made Dan Lebatard his own studio, etc..the same type of shit happened when he went back to Cleveland, as well..

Is Pop going to be willing to tolerate this? He will be questioned about roster and coaching moves far more than he ever has in his life..any controversy like the current Kawhi situation will be blown up more than anything this franchise has ever dealt with..

I just can't picture it, tbh..

Good call man, never thought of that but for the first time in his career Pop would be put under the microscope.

sasaint

02-04-2018, 09:22 PM

This is part of the reason I'd be very surprised if LeBron joined the Spurs..there are many reasons why HE wouldn't want to join them(no power, Kawhi uncertainty, playing in San Antonio, etc), but nobody is discussing Pop's side of things..

Any team with LeBron on it is going to receive mass media attention..when he joined the Heat, they moved Windhorst + several others to Miami to cover the team..they made Dan Lebatard his own studio, etc..the same type of shit happened when he went back to Cleveland, as well..

Is Pop going to be willing to tolerate this? He will be questioned about roster and coaching moves far more than he ever has in his life..any controversy like the current Kawhi situation will be blown up more than anything this franchise has ever dealt with..

I just can't picture it, tbh..

Good insight. I have just been thinking of it as power struggle between king and tsar.

YGWHI

02-05-2018, 07:42 AM

Leonard is refusing to play.
I find this so funny...

A top player is refusing to play to miss All-NBA considerations, playoffs appearances, ASG... right? I'm sure a top player loves to have a lost season. I'm sure his agent loves it too. And endorsements.

All we know it's they said that Spurs doctors couldn't find a structural damage but we didn't know what said the 2nd opinion that Kawhi got.

Also, saying threre is no structural damage doesn't mean that the quad doesn't have a dysfunction. It's not that hard to understand.

Slippy

02-05-2018, 06:08 PM

It was not misquoted by David Aldridge... he said what he said in a national telecast. He interviewed RC and that was his report. David Aldridge is not an amateur, he's a pro.. and his statement was not retracted, nor was it denied by RC.

If you want to live in denial... that is you.

Theres an nba article out by DA with the quote. RC is addressing the the issue with rehab. " it not chilling, its challenging". Full quote in article if fans want context.

Much ado bout nothing really. They are all frustrated. Nothings chsnged

DPG21920

02-05-2018, 06:08 PM

Theres an nba article out by DA with the quote. RC is addressing the the issue with rehab. " it not chilling, its challenging". Full quote in article if fans want context.

Much ado bout n

Link? Makes the most sense but it would go a long way for people here to see that. Even with DA being a pro I dont think he’s immune to pumping narrative as would be the case with what he reported on TNT vs what was the context in the article.

Slippy

02-05-2018, 06:11 PM

Sorry bud dont have time right now . Getting kids ready for school. Read it last night

TD 21

02-05-2018, 06:23 PM

Maybe there is nothing going on other than everyone is in the dark about his injury. There is only several hundred millions of dollars at stake. It’s hard to imagine Kawhi isn’t anxious to prove he’s worth th3 max, which he is when healthy.

Well it’s Super Bowl time! Go Spurs!

Still, Leonard himself should have said something by now and the media should be continuing the dialogue instead of trying to will themselves to fix Cavaliers or gushing over Warriors and Rockets.

It's not a big story because he isn't playing. And Leonard is like a robot he doesn't speak.. But mostly he is not playing. What is there to discuss?

Whether he's playing or not is irrelevant in this case. What's to discuss is everything I said. This should be by far the biggest story in the league right now.

I think part of that is by design. The Spurs front office deliberately cultivates great relationships with many media insiders (including Woj) so they're hesitant to report anything negative about the team.

Maybe some, but definitely not all and it doesn't necessarily have to be negative. I realize this team has fallen off the radar this season, but how can a story that should be monstrous go silent a few weeks after being reported? It makes no sense.

DPG21920

02-05-2018, 06:31 PM

Leonard probably isn’t talking because he does not care about this crap and is pissed he’s not playing. He’s not Lebron that lives in the spotlight.

He also does not feel the need to address rumors that aren’t true. That does not mean he can’t be frustrated with SA or the situation; just that there is a wide gulf between that and wanting out.

Dre_7

02-05-2018, 06:31 PM

Theres an nba article out by DA with the quote. RC is addressing the the issue with rehab. " it not chilling, its challenging". Full quote in article if fans want context.

That is what I thought. He said it quickly in game and everything he said related to rehab except that one word. It just didn't make sense in context of the rest of the DA quote and in context of everything else that RC has said.

NASpurs

02-05-2018, 06:31 PM

Link? Makes the most sense but it would go a long way for people here to see that. Even with DA being a pro I dont think he’s immune to pumping narrative as would be the case with what he reported on TNT vs what was the context in the article.

Link is right here:

http://www.nba.com/david-aldridge#/

Buford said last week that the issue of Leonard’s rehab is “not chilling; it’s challenging. But no one’s put more time into than our group, and Kawhi, and we’ve put all the resources we can, internally and externally, to get him feeling confident enough to play.”

Chillen

02-05-2018, 06:33 PM

This is part of the reason I'd be very surprised if LeBron joined the Spurs..there are many reasons why HE wouldn't want to join them(no power, Kawhi uncertainty, playing in San Antonio, etc), but nobody is discussing Pop's side of things..

Any team with LeBron on it is going to receive mass media attention..when he joined the Heat, they moved Windhorst + several others to Miami to cover the team..they made Dan Lebatard his own studio, etc..the same type of shit happened when he went back to Cleveland, as well..

Is Pop going to be willing to tolerate this? He will be questioned about roster and coaching moves far more than he ever has in his life..any controversy like the current Kawhi situation will be blown up more than anything this franchise has ever dealt with..

I just can't picture it, tbh..

If your franchise has a chance to get a GOAT NBA player and your head coach has a problem with it, the problem with your team is clearly the head coach. So if Pop can't handle it and I know he had done plenty for the Spurs, maybe it would be time to move on.

DPG21920

02-05-2018, 06:34 PM

Link is right here:

http://www.nba.com/david-aldridge#/

Buford said last week that the issue of Leonard’s rehab is “not chilling; it’s challenging. But no one’s put more time into than our group, and Kawhi, and we’ve put all the resources we can, internally and externally, to get him feeling confident enough to play.”

Great - thanks. This puts that comment and report by DA in a totally different light.

Buford said last week that the issue of Leonard’s rehab is “not chilling; it’s challenging. But no one’s put more time into than our group, and Kawhi, and we’ve put all the resources we can, internally and externally, to get him feeling confident enough to play.”

So, while they wait for Leonard, they must win games with their young guys taking on bigger roles -- and with Parker coaching Murray on the intricacies of the position -- the hardest, by far, in basketball.

There is the quote and it’s NOTHING to the effect the TNT comment made it seem.

bklynspursfan

02-05-2018, 07:12 PM

His reputation is at stake... It's easier to believe he meant what he said, than to believe he's making mistakes on something like that. The more rational interpretation is the easiest answer...

Now you can see the link/quote for yourself above. DA's comment was taken out of context, as expected like several of us suspected. Everyone makes mistakes, including DA

SAGirl

02-05-2018, 07:23 PM

Now you can see the link/quote for yourself above. DA's comment was taken out of context, as expected like several of us suspected. Everyone makes mistakes, including DA
it wasn't taken out of context. :wakeup

DPG21920

02-05-2018, 07:26 PM

it wasn't taken out of context. :wakeup

Huh? I don’t know how you can still defend that after reading the exact article. There is a MASSIVE difference in saying “the relationship with Kawhi is challenging” and “the issue of Kawhi’s rebhab is challenging”.

I mean that was the crux of all the debate.

Dre_7

02-05-2018, 07:30 PM

it wasn't taken out of context. :wakeup

DA's quote wasn't taken out of context. DA misquoted RC on the air. Obviously accidentally, but still.

SAGirl

02-05-2018, 07:30 PM

Huh? I don’t know how you can still defend that after reading the exact article. There is a MASSIVE difference in saying “the relationship with Kawhi is challenging” and “the issue of Kawhi’s rebhab is challenging”.

I mean that was the crux of all the debate.
if you say so. reading the article didn't add any more context than I already had.

dabom

02-05-2018, 07:31 PM

DPG21920

02-05-2018, 07:31 PM

Again, this is overblown. But the team got Kawhi a title and is supposedly willing to give him a huge deal despite his injury issues. If Leonard is so out of touch that he doesn't understand that the Spurs are going about as far as a team can reasonably expect to go, then there's nothing you can do.

I just wish people stopped comparing Kawhi to Tim in terms of personality. They're very obviously extremely different people, and it does neither any favors to overlook that.

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Leetonidas

02-05-2018, 07:31 PM

Yeah that article makes the quote seem a lot different. Of course Spurfan jumps to conclusions straight off the cliff...

DPG21920

02-05-2018, 07:33 PM

if you say so. reading the article didn't add any more context than I already had.

The entire point of this thread was based on the fact that DA said on TNT that the relationship with Kawhi was challenging straight from RC’s mouth.

Many people tried to explain how that could be taken out of context only to have people specify that it was literally from DA’s mouth and a report from his interview with RC.

I’m so confused :lol

r0drig0lac

02-05-2018, 07:33 PM

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this is good, and theoretically must take PAFTO from the comfort zone

Leetonidas

02-05-2018, 07:34 PM

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That “best friend” line is an odd thing to say. Wonder what he meant by that

DPG21920

02-05-2018, 07:35 PM

I heard the quote and think that Webber or whoever it was that said it used the wrong word. I think he meant to say rehab? If RC had actually said the relationship was challenging, I would think it would be all over. I could be wrong. I have been plenty of times before. Guess we will have to wait and see. This summer it will all come to light when he either re-signs or doesn't. Then we will have the answer.

Yup. That's exactly what happened I bet. Mis-quoted and everyone here buys it despite what Pop & RC's quotes have been. The rehab has been challenging, that much has been emphasized already.

OK...I Listened to David Aldridge in the telecast. Amused is correct. David Aldridge clearly state the relationship is currently challenging.

It doesn't sound good to me. It's already many media sources reporting this. It is legit between WoJ and DA... there is definitely some discord there. Just got to hope Kawhi gets healthy and they can put this behind them.

SAGirl

02-05-2018, 07:47 PM

the telecast already informed that the issues arising from his rehab were the problem. so this didn't add anything we already didn't know in terms of context. Others perhaps though different but I always inferred that the injury/rehab has made the relationship challenging. that is how I interpreted it. You can infer different and assume things are peachy. that is you.

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02-05-2018, 07:56 PM

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this deserves it's own thread imo

Chinook

02-05-2018, 07:56 PM

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Hopefully this sinks in with a lot of Spurs fans who think he's Tim 2.0. He seems to be giving a stronger and stronger Rose vibe (and no, giving off that vibe doesn't mean I expect him to have that career arc; talking about pre-injury Rose here). In the very least, Young's tweet is implying that Kawhi has been a diva this whole time. "Not the Spurs' best friend?" Why is that relevant now? I don't think it's particularly compatible for a guy to "want to be great" while also having an antagonistic relationship with the team (who's conservative as shit when it comes to non-Green players) over whether he can play with pain. Kawhi has at least $40 Million guaranteed no matter what happens, so acting like "it's just a business" would ring hollow as fuck.

TD 21

02-05-2018, 08:11 PM

That “best friend” line is an odd thing to say. Wonder what he meant by that

Basically, I take this to mean Leonard wants as little communication with them as possible and wants to be allowed to act however and do whatever the fuck he wants.

This guy doesn't get it. Being the unequivocal best player on a championship team requires more than just playing at a top 5 level. He obviously doesn't have to be Duncan, but he'd better have some type of relationship with those in and around the team. Chemistry is all the more important when you have inferior talent.

He might need to be on a team like Celtics, where he can be the best player on a contender, but they have a telegenic borderline superstar who can handle everything that comes with being the face of a franchise.

Hopefully this sinks in with a lot of Spurs fans who think he's Tim 2.0. He seems to be giving a stronger and stronger Rose vibe (and no, giving off that vibe doesn't mean I expect him to have that career arc; talking about pre-injury Rose here). In the very least, Young's tweet is implying that Kawhi has been a diva this whole time. "Not the Spurs' best friend?" Why is that relevant now? I don't think it's particularly compatible for a guy to "want to be great" while also having an antagonistic relationship with the team (who's conservative as shit when it comes to non-Green players) over whether he can play with pain. Kawhi has at least $40 Million guaranteed no matter what happens, so acting like "it's just a business" would ring hollow as fuck.

:tu

Leetonidas

02-05-2018, 08:18 PM

Basically, I take this to mean Leonard wants as little communication with them as possible and wants to be allowed to act however and do whatever the fuck he wants.

This guy doesn't get it. Being the unequivocal best player on a championship team requires more than just playing at a top 5 level. He obviously doesn't have to be Duncan, but he'd better have some type of relationship with those in and around the team. Chemistry is all the more important when you have inferior talent.

He might need to be on a team like Celtics, where he can be the best player on a contender, but they have a telegenic borderline superstar who can handle everything that comes with being the face of a franchise.

:tu

Solid post tbh...player fans won't agree tho. Kawhi is my favorite player so if there is truth to these speculations I would be very disappointed.

Stabula

02-05-2018, 08:22 PM

Trying to piece together a negative storyline about Kawhi via celebrity gossip :lol

TD 21

02-05-2018, 08:22 PM

Solid post tbh...player fans won't agree tho. Kawhi is my favorite player so if there is truth to these speculations I would be very disappointed.

They should only kowtow so much. He can't stay healthy, isn't a leader and they'll be hard pressed to surround him with enough talent to contend anyway, so if his aloof ass is going to constantly have them on pins and needles and create an uncomfortable environment, they might as well trade him for Brown, Tatum and either Clippers or Grizzlies 1st.

Leetonidas

02-05-2018, 08:24 PM

Trying to piece together a negative storyline about Kawhi via celebrity gossip :lol

Since when is Jabari Young a celebrity :lmao

MaNu4Tres

02-05-2018, 08:27 PM

They should only kowtow so much. He can't stay healthy, isn't a leader and they'll be hard pressed to surround him with enough talent to contend anyway, so if his aloof ass is going to constantly have them on pins and needles and create an uncomfortable environment, they might as well trade him for Brown, Tatum and either Clippers or Grizzlies 1st.

I'd co sign on this.

If Boston offered Tatum, Brown, Baynes and Grizz 1st in 19, I'd do it in a heart beat.

Robz4000

02-05-2018, 08:28 PM

It's time to move on from Kawhi.

dabom

02-05-2018, 08:30 PM

I'd co sign on this.

If Boston offered Tatum, Brown, Baynes and Grizz 1st in 19, I'd do it in a heart beat.

You can run the sums instead. :lmao

Faggot.

dabom

02-05-2018, 08:33 PM

:cry :cryLet's trade a top 5 player cause me feelings hurt :cry :cry

dabom

02-05-2018, 08:37 PM

I can already tell who the emotional vagina posters are. :lol

SAGirl

02-05-2018, 08:39 PM

It was interesting Jabari was very clear it doesn't mean that Kawhi wants out and that all those rumors are unfounded. (if you look at the tweet, there is follow up).

But he's definitely a reserved person and this rehab has been very difficult.

I think the Tim comment implies things Timmy did as a leader and other intangibles off the court that Kiwi doesn't have. Tim will show up to be with teammates and encourage them even if he's not playing.. To this day, still in a retired status he will show up at practices to encourage teammates. Kiwi will only show up to games and such if he has to. He wasn't even at the training facility all preseason and teammates hadn't seen him for weeks until he was about ready to come back.

He's not Tim in terms of leadership, and being that kind of teammate. What's encouraging is that he's always been like that. It doesn't mean he has a beef with anyone. hopefully.

TheGreatYacht

02-05-2018, 08:39 PM

It's time to move on from Kawhi.
It's time for Kawhi to move on from Patty Mills and co.

TD 21

02-05-2018, 08:40 PM

I'd co sign on this.

If Boston offered Tatum, Brown, Baynes and Grizz 1st in 19, I'd do it in a heart beat.

Forgot the requisite salary filler to make it work financially. Realistically, this would only happen in the off season, if Leonard either doesn't sign the super max or flat out requests a trade. By that point, Baynes will be a free agent, so swap him with Morris. Spurs would never have one of them, but he'll be an underpaid expiring, which means he'll have resale value, so they can reroute him for another asset.

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Let's trade a top 5 player cause me feelings hurt :cry
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The only one who's feelings appear to be hurt, is your boy, you stupid fuck.

If you could comprehend, you'd realize I meant trade him if it becomes clear this is not going to work out.

dabom

02-05-2018, 08:42 PM

Forgot the requisite salary filler to make it work financially. Realistically, this would only happen in the off season, if Leonard either doesn't sign the super max or flat out requests a trade. By that point, Baynes will be a free agent, so swap him with Morris. Spurs would never have one of them, but he'll be an underpaid expiring, which means he'll have resale value, so they can reroute him for another asset.

The only one who's feelings appear to be hurt, is your boy, you stupid fuck.

If you could comprehend, you'd realize I meant trade him if it becomes clear this is not going to work out.

I didn't direct it all you faggot, but if you thought I did, check yourself for a vagina. :lmao

bklynspursfan

02-05-2018, 08:45 PM

Robz4000

02-05-2018, 08:47 PM

It's time for Kawhi to move on from Patty Mills and co.

True. Look in like it's best for both Kawhi and the Spurs to move on from each other.

DPG21920

02-05-2018, 08:47 PM

I know the answer is no and it can’t be addressed every damn time but can we please cut out the “f*ggot” & racist stuff?

SAGirl

02-05-2018, 08:48 PM

Hopefully this sinks in with a lot of Spurs fans who think he's Tim 2.0. He seems to be giving a stronger and stronger Rose vibe (and no, giving off that vibe doesn't mean I expect him to have that career arc; talking about pre-injury Rose here). In the very least, Young's tweet is implying that Kawhi has been a diva this whole time. "Not the Spurs' best friend?" Why is that relevant now? I don't think it's particularly compatible for a guy to "want to be great" while also having an antagonistic relationship with the team (who's conservative as shit when it comes to non-Green players) over whether he can play with pain. Kawhi has at least $40 Million guaranteed no matter what happens, so acting like "it's just a business" would ring hollow as fuck.
What do you mean pre-injury Rose vibe?

hater

02-05-2018, 08:57 PM

Lmao the poor bastard cant even wipe his own ass let alone Be still considered a top 5 player in the nba

Jabari Old is a stupid fuck

TD 21

02-05-2018, 09:07 PM

I didn't direct it all you faggot, but if you thought I did, check yourself for a vagina. :lmao

I'm going to let this one slide, because of the stupidity (I'm the one who suggested a trade, so even if it wasn't intentional, it was still directed at me) and because I know you wouldn't dare step to me.

DAF86

02-05-2018, 09:17 PM

So one journalist posts that Kawhi is not like Duncan because "he goes to work and then goes home to his family" and folks are already presuming he might be a cancer? :lol

It can't be that he's just a reserved person. Who the fuck says that a player has to become friends with all the folks in the organization? How many cases do we have of teammates not only having a distant relationship, but a truly toxic one, and still winning championships?

In fact, if you read the next tweet by Jabari you can see that he thinks that the ones that should change their ways are the people in the Spurs management, not the player. So, according to whatever inside info he has about the relationship, he doesn't see much wrong with the way Kawhi is conducting himself.

I'm sure that if Kawhi were truly being toxic, Jabari wouldn't have said: "Would be wise for #Spurs to accept him (and his camp) as they are. If not, lose/alienate a top 5 player in the #NBA"

Chinook

02-05-2018, 09:23 PM

What do you mean pre-injury Rose vibe?

Rose wasn't all that vocal when he was a superstar, and people confused that for humility. However, Rose was anything but, and it led to him pretty much refusing to recruit free agents in the summer of 2010.

bklynspursfan

02-05-2018, 09:25 PM

I know the answer is no and it can’t be addressed every damn time but can we please cut out the “f*ggot” & racist stuff?

It'd def be nice to not have that here but like you said, the answer is no. Too many kiddies here

daslicer

02-05-2018, 09:28 PM

bklynspursfan

02-05-2018, 09:33 PM

Accepting Kawhi and his camp is interesting. I heard a Sam Amick (i think it was him) podcast and he said Kawhi's camp initially was fine with the Spurs the way they handle the media, and the amount of info they put out, etc...

But he said he thought that was something they started to not be so thrilled about (Btw i'm paraphrasing a bit) and thinks contributed to whatever disconnect was going down.

Gotta find that link

Chinook

02-05-2018, 09:33 PM

So one journalist posts that Kawhi is not like Duncan because "he goes to work and then goes home to his family" and folks are already presuming he might be a cancer? :lol

Sure, if you ignore why people were actually concerned (the need to specify that Kawhi is not SA's friend), it would be hard to figure out.

How many cases do we have of teammates not only having a distant relationship, but a truly toxic one, and still winning championships?

Who knows outside of Jordan (who even then was close with Pippen)? It's not nearly as common as you think, especially for a team that relies so heavily on chemistry and culture.

In fact, if you read the next tweet by Jabari you can see that he thinks that the ones that should change their ways are the people in the Spurs management, not the player. So, according to whatever inside info he has about the relationship, he doesn't see much wrong with the way Kawhi is conducting himself.

I'm sure that if Kawhi were truly being toxic, Jabari wouldn't have said: "Would be wise for #Spurs to accept him (and his camp) as they are. If not, lose/alienate a top 5 player in the #NBA"

This is why I'm starting to think this is a leak by Kawhi's camp more than anything else. That tweet definitely sounds like a favor. The reality is that Kawhi can't have his cake and eat it too. He can't be a leader if he doesn't act like one. He can't both "want to be great" and be unwilling to play. It's very possible that the Thomas situation scared him. I can understand that. However, one great thing about PATFO not changing is that Kawhi should know the team will take care of him no matter what happens if he buys in. Pop won't pull an Ainge to dump him, and if he really thought Kawhi was in risk of getting hurt, he wouldn't play him.

dabom

02-05-2018, 09:33 PM

I'm going to let this one slide, because of the stupidity (I'm the one who suggested a trade, so even if it wasn't intentional, it was still directed at me) and because I know you wouldn't dare step to me.

So you understand you were wrong and I called you out on it, and you think I wouldn't step on yo faggot ass. Makes no sense, faggot. :lmao

Chinook

02-05-2018, 09:35 PM

Again, though, definitely seems to be affecting the rest of the team poorly right now. Pop can't let it go on like this, because there's more than a lost season at stake.

SAGirl

02-05-2018, 09:42 PM

Rose wasn't all that vocal when he was a superstar, and people confused that for humility. However, Rose was anything but, and it led to him pretty much refusing to recruit free agents in the summer of 2010.
thanks for answering I see your point.

hater

02-05-2018, 09:45 PM

Again, though, definitely seems to be affecting the rest of the team poorly right now. Pop can't let it go on like this, because there's more than a lost season at stake.

Lol let what go on?? The poor bastard cannot even wipe his own ass, what can Poop do about it?

Plus having a bunch of has been scrubs and a 50 million dollar shitburger is affecting our team much more than kawhi situation

Seventyniner

02-05-2018, 09:48 PM

Tim was a self-effacing leader. Kawhi is a self-effacing loner.

Chinook

02-05-2018, 09:48 PM

Plus having a bunch of has been scrubs and a 50 million dollar shitburger is affecting our team much more than kawhi situation

I don't actually agree, especially not in the context I was talking about. The chemistry isn't awful because the guys suck. The team has had worst stretches of talent, including 2010 and 2014 when their top three wings were hurt. What's going on right now is most unprecedented from a chemistry standpoint, which is what I think Manu was going for.

DAF86

02-05-2018, 09:51 PM

Sure, if you ignore why people were actually concerned (the need to specify that Kawhi is not SA's friend), it would be hard to figure out.

As you already know I tackled the friendship/closeness/distance in the next paragraph.

Who knows outside of Jordan (who even then was close with Pippen)? It's not nearly as common as you think, especially for a team that relies so heavily on chemistry and culture.

Jordan, Shaq and Kobe, Rondo, Ray Allen and the Celtics. And those are just at the top of my head.

This is why I'm starting to think this is a leak by Kawhi's camp more than anything else. That tweet definitely sounds like a favor. The reality is that Kawhi can't have his cake and eat it too. He can't be a leader if he doesn't act like one. He can't both "want to be great" and be unwilling to play. It's very possible that the Thomas situation scared him. I can understand that. However, one great thing about PATFO not changing is that Kawhi should know the team will take care of him no matter what happens if he buys in. Pop won't pull an Ainge to dump him, and if he really thought Kawhi was in risk of getting hurt, he wouldn't play him.

So once a Spurs' insider posts a tweet not sucking the PATFO it must be because he's doing a favour to the other side? :lol

Regarding the rest of your post: there are leaders inside the court and outside of it. Sometimes those leaders outside and inside the court are the same, other times they are not. People have different personalities, some are more shy than others. I don't agree that just because a player is great inside the court he has to go against his nature and force a leadership outside of it. Just to give you an example, Lionel Messi, the GOAT player of the GOAT team sport is a known reclusive outside the pitch. It didn't work too bad for him, tbh.

hater

02-05-2018, 09:54 PM

UZER

02-05-2018, 09:55 PM

Kawhi "The Good Doctor" Leonard

DAF86

02-05-2018, 09:56 PM

Lol who cares about chemistry when we have 3 mummies in gasoft, manur and porker that can bqrly log an nba minute?

And a 50 gazillion dollar aussie shitburger than could barly log a YMCA minute?

A 1 trick pony that cant even do his one trick anymore which is make 3s

A rookie level PG thats so far dumber than a bag of chicken bones

Who else do we have??

Our tqm is shit and we are losing the games we are supposed to lose

You cant make an omelet with a bunch of shit

Chinook just trying to find bigger faults in Kawhi than there are in real life, like he has done since he got here, tbh.

Chinook

02-05-2018, 10:06 PM

As you already know I tackled the friendship/closeness/distance in the next paragraph.

So? It still doesn't make that first line any better.

Jordan, Shaq and Kobe, Rondo, Ray Allen and the Celtics. And those are just at the top of my head.

Two teammates not liking each other and the main player being disliked (not saying this is Kawhi) by the rest of the organization and roster are two different things.

So once a Spurs' insider posts a tweet not sucking the PATFO it must be because he's doing a favour to the other side? :lol

"Sucking PATFO", no. But if they come out with "insider information" saying it's all Kawhi's fault, then yeah, that is most likely a reporter dropping a tweet supporting the team in exchange for some info. This happens all the time. Woj has made an entire career out of it.

Then, there are leaders inside the court and outside of it. Sometimes those leaders outside and inside the court are the same, other times they are not. People have different personalities, some are more shy than others. I don't agree that just because a player is great inside the court he has to go against his nature and force a leadership outside of it. Just to give you an example, Lionel Messi, the GOAT player of the GOAT team sport is a known reclusive outside the pitch. It didn't work too bad for him, tbh.

I'm a firm believer that you don't have to be THE leader in the lockerroom just because you're the best player. In that shallow regard, I can agree with you. On the other hand, you can't be a self-centered player in the locker room and be a leader on the court. There's a wide gap between not wanting to go have dinner with the guys and being aloof in practices or timeouts. There's a gap between not playing tweet tag with guys on other teams (or at all) and not trying to recruit others during free agency. And before you bring up getting LMA, Aldridge said he hadn't even spoken to Kawhi at the mid point that first season. Danny Green had to close for the team (even though Danny didn't even know he was going to be back). Hell, even DeJounte seems far ahead of Kawhi in terms of the necessary off-court aspects of leading the team.

Kawhi doesn't seem like a complete leader, and that does matter, because is also means he's not a complete superstar. The Spurs are an extremely low-key organization, so it's not like Kawhi is being asked to go out and do a lot of PR crap. It's not a high bar to pass at all, but Leonard isn't hitting it right now. Young isn't just commenting on Kawhi's personality. He's reflecting on it as it relates to this particular situation. While there are certainly scenarios where it can be completely understandable for Kawhi to not be "the Spurs' best friend", it bodes ominously that this is one such situation. In the real world, you can't just act however you feel like and have a functional life. You don't just get to "do your own thing" when what you do affects other people.

Chinook

02-05-2018, 10:07 PM

Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) just trying to find bigger faults in Kawhi than there are in real life, like he has done since he got here, tbh.

Yeah, because you bragging about him being Duncan 2.0 earlier was obviously less biased view.

Chinook

02-05-2018, 10:09 PM

Lol who cares about chemistry when we have 3 mummies in gasoft, manur and porker that can bqrly log an nba minute?

And a 50 gazillion dollar aussie shitburger than could barly log a YMCA minute?

A 1 trick pony that cant even do his one trick anymore which is make 3s

A rookie level PG thats so far dumber than a bag of chicken bones

Who else do we have??

Our team is shit its awfully constructed and we are losing the games we are supposed to lose

You cant make an omelet with a bunch of shit

The team has been worse than this before. That doesn't justify their lack of execution. It also doesn't explain why guys who used to hit open shots on the regular can't hit them now. It's a 2D excuse.

Budkin

02-05-2018, 10:09 PM

Our team is shit its awfully constructed and we are losing the games we are supposed to lose

Ahh if only the legendary SpursDynasty was here to make it all better.

DAF86

02-05-2018, 10:13 PM

Yeah, because you bragging about him being Duncan 2.0 earlier was obviously less biased view.

When the fuck did I do that? :lol

Chinook

02-05-2018, 10:17 PM

When the fuck did I do that? :lol

Maybe it wasn't you. Pretty sure it was during the last time we talked about Kawhi. Anyways the quote was something along the lines of how lucky the Spurs were to go from Tim to Kawhi in terms of the temperaments of their superstars. Even if it was you, I'm not going to hold you to it, because a lot of folks confuse quietness for humility all the time, and even a lot of Spurs fans think Tim is anti-social.

mo7888

02-05-2018, 10:26 PM

DAF86

02-05-2018, 10:28 PM

Maybe it wasn't you. Pretty sure it was during the last time we talked about Kawhi. Anyways the quote was something along the lines of how lucky the Spurs were to go from Tim to Kawhi in terms of the temperaments of their superstars. Even if it was you, I'm not going to hold you to it, because a lot of folks confuse quietness for humility all the time, and even a lot of Spurs fans think Tim is anti-social.

The only thing I said about that is that I found funny that folks were bitching about Kawhi saying he wasn't Duncan, when Duncan was so close to leaving for Orlando in the early 2000's.

I never said Kawhi and Duncan were the same, I just said Duncan wasn't spotless either. If we can consider free agents negotiations "spots", tbh. Which would be fair if folks are going to start freaking out and tearing our current best player apart for rumours that we don't even know if are true and that aren't really that bad to begin with.

DAF86

02-05-2018, 10:32 PM

My question is this : do you think we should consider trading him? And secondly what kind if value would we get?

Imho, the best deal we could get for Kawhi (disregarding matching salaries) is a package that includes Tatum, Brown and Rozier and maybe a 1st round pick, and then hope that Lebron signs with us on the offseason.

Chinook

02-05-2018, 10:34 PM

My question is this : do you think we should consider trading him? And secondly what kind if value would we get?

I can't answer the first question without knowing what the actual issue is or how bad it is. I do think there are scenarios where the team would be justified in trading him. But obviously, they have a real shot at a title this year if they can get healthy (and especially if they commit to trading for a better guard).

I've been thinking about value a lot recently. I do think a team like Phoenix would back up the truck for him to the same extent they were willing to do with Irving during the draft. I'm assuming anyone but Booker would be on the table, including the numerous picks the team owns and the ability to get rid of Pau's and/or Patty's contracts. I don't think Boston is likely or desirable as a trade partner.

Something like this: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8vs6gdh

with Phoenix' pick and one of the Miami picks being added.

mo7888

02-05-2018, 10:37 PM

Imho, the best deal we could get for Kawhi (disregarding matching salaries) is a package that includes Tatum, Brown and Rozier and maybe a 1st round pick, and then hope that Lebron signs with us on the offseason.

If I were ready to move on I'd do that. I doubt ainge would give that much because the cap hit of kawhi,Hayward, horford, and kyrie would be crippling. I think they'd want to move Hayward or horford with either Tatum or brown and we'd have to include additional salary.

Chillen

02-05-2018, 10:37 PM

There is no comparison to Duncan. He was the best pf of all-time and a true role model. Kawhi is Kawhi, he plays his game and wants to win. Hate to say it but Spurs better come to grips with reality, Duncan was a special kind of player that doesn't come around very often. They either build around Kawhi and let him play his game or move on. If they want a Duncan like figure for this franchise again there is none, I mean Anthony Davis is classy but there will never be another Timmy. Spurs big 3 was something special, build with Kawhi or move on but let him be who he is.

coachmac87

02-05-2018, 10:38 PM

It’s hard to have a relationship with someone who’s socially awkward...You can lose count how many times since the Spurs drafted him how teammates, coaches etc all stated how he doesn’t talk/communicate...

Duncan wasn’t about the “superstar” life but he was still a normal person within the team and PATFO...he had great relationships with everyone..or “best friend”.

There’s a lot of assumptions going around but it seems like Kawhi just does his thing..really doesn’t have a friend associated with the team etc. as great a player he is he’s just coming off as a really different cat and the personality is becoming awkward...now add this injury to the equation and it seems it added fuel to the fire. An awkward relationship just got weirder and on top of that there’s a possible big pay raise that’s due in the summer???

mo7888

02-05-2018, 10:43 PM

I can't answer the first question without knowing what the actual issue is or how bad it is. I do think there are scenarios where the team would be justified in trading him. But obviously, they have a real shot at a title this year if they can get healthy (and especially if they commit to trading for a better guard).

I've been thinking about value a lot recently. I do think a team like Phoenix would back up the truck for him to the same extent they were willing to do with Irving during the draft. I'm assuming anyone but Booker would be on the table, including the numerous picks the team owns and the ability to get rid of Pau's and/or Patty's contracts. I don't think Boston is likely or desirable as a trade partner.

Something like this: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8vs6gdh

with Phoenix' pick and one of the Miami picks being added.

That would be hard to pass up. I agree with you on the 'unknown factor with Kawhi. I've spent time looking at trade scenarios as well but, it really comes down to what the situation behind the scenes happens to be. I have to think patfo knows what is real and what isn't in that regard. I don't think there are many good trade partners for us though. Phoenix, Philly, and Boston are the only realistic partners I see and it would be tough to deal with ainge.

Chinook

02-05-2018, 10:50 PM

That would be hard to pass up. I agree with you on the 'unknown factor with Kawhi. I've spent time looking at trade scenarios as well but, it really comes down to what the situation behind the scenes happens to be. I have to think patfo knows what is real and what isn't in that regard. I don't think there are many good trade partners for us though. Phoenix, Philly, and Boston are the only realistic partners I see and it would be tough to deal with ainge.

I think the key to finding trade partners is to look for desperate teams. Denver is another team that would sacrifice their first-born to pair Kawhi with their star. The Knicks would as well. Those are the teams that will give you everything and take back your junk. I've long held that if the team does trade Kawhi, it will be during the draft where they know what picks they're getting. If those teams or others like Charlotte get high enough selections, deals really open up.

mo7888

02-05-2018, 10:55 PM

I think the key to finding trade partners is to look for desperate teams. Denver is another team that would sacrifice their first-born to pair Kawhi with their star. The Knicks would as well. Those are the teams that will give you everything and take back your junk. I've long held that if the team does trade Kawhi, it will be during the draft where they know what picks they're getting. If those teams or others like Charlotte get high enough selections, deals really open up.

I definitely agree about seeking out desperate teams (or the less intelligent GM..oh how I wish Isaiah Thomas or Billy King still had a job somewhere).. I'm not sure the Knicks has enough assets but, Denver is intriguing with some of their young players but I question their stash of draft picks.

Ice009

02-05-2018, 11:05 PM

Spurs big 3 was something special, build with Kawhi or move on but let him be who he is.

Maybe Kawhi can take a page out of Dennis Rodman's book 'Bad as I wanna Be," but maybe Kawhi can have his own variation of it, something like be-who-I-wanna-be.

Just for laugh's, here's a quote from Dennis about the Spurs I found "Those guys in San Antonio can kiss my ass, especially (Greg) Popovich." I haven't heard anyone say that about Pop, I found it pretty funny.

Oh, and another quote from Dennis about the role players "I'll ask Chuck Person: Did you show up? Could you hit a shot in the playoffs? No, you didn't show up, and you couldn't hit a shot. So shut up." Hopefully Kawhi doesn't end up thinking similar things about the role players on this team.

By the way, I don't agree with Dennis Rodman's stance on the Spurs, he could have done much better against the Rockets. If he actually showed up and gave it 100%, guarding the perimeter, especially Horry, I would have agreed with that last quote of his.

hater

02-05-2018, 11:11 PM

The team has been worse than this before. That doesn't justify their lack of execution. It also doesn't explain why guys who used to hit open shots on the regular can't hit them now. It's a 2D excuse.

Lol we were orse but we had prime Duncan and Parker

Now we have absolutely nobody

TD 21

02-06-2018, 01:18 AM

So you understand you were wrong and I called you out on it, and you think I wouldn't step on yo faggot ass. Makes no sense, faggot. :lmao

:lmao Predictably took the bait, not realizing I just proved you can be had as easily as the people you troll.

Stabula

02-06-2018, 01:22 AM

Since when is Jabari Young a celebrity :lmao

Celebrity gossip is gossip about celebrities and is usually pushed in tabloids and TV shows for ratings.

dabom

02-06-2018, 01:23 AM

:lmao Predictably took the bait, not realizing I just proved you can be had as easily as the people you troll.

What are you talking about faggot. I never directed the comment at you and you recognized it after I called you out. Then you had the gall to say you were standing down because I wouldn't "step up", like I just didn't already make you look like a dumbass. :lmao

I'm smarter. Fact.

r0drig0lac

02-06-2018, 04:21 AM

Lol who cares about chemistry when we have 3 mummies in gasoft, manur and porker that can bqrly log an nba minute?

And a 50 gazillion dollar aussie shitburger than could barly log a YMCA minute?

A 1 trick pony that cant even do his one trick anymore which is make 3s

A rookie level PG thats so far dumber than a bag of chicken bones

Who else do we have??

Our team is shit its awfully constructed and we are losing the games we are supposed to lose

You cant make an omelet with a bunch of shit
this x1000

Ozballer

02-06-2018, 05:08 AM

As much as its painful to say it, Leonard 's personality appears as the biggest shortcoming between him and total greatness. Basketball is a team sport and most of the top tier players have a voice and some ability to build chemistry with their team mates. This is essential in putting together a championship calibre team around a leading star.
Nt saying it is not possible to mesh Kawhi with such a team, but can he actually be the leading piece with all the benefits of owning the keys of a franchise?
Doubt it. He would have to be a cog in a built team, like KD joining the GSW or like he was in 14-15 championship run. This is obviously a waste of talent for such an amazing player. The trick is how to build around Kawhi when he appears to have no ability to build empathy with his team mates. As such, it requires a pretty savvy and dedicated coach and plenty of planning to make it work. No better home than San Antonio for that.

In addition, I wonder how many superstars actually want to play with KL for this very reason (communication/ no on field chemistry). In other words, it is easy to say that the franchise is not attractive to lure stars across. But what if we say that it is because they do not feel they can build chemistry with KL?
This is actually a very fair point and i would love to be a fly on the wall to know what KL team mates and other players think of him.

Hoops Czar

02-06-2018, 05:47 AM

I don't actually agree, especially not in the context I was talking about. The chemistry isn't awful because the guys suck. The team has had worst stretches of talent, including 2010 and 2014 when their top three wings were hurt. What's going on right now is most unprecedented from a chemistry standpoint, which is what I think Manu was going for.

Maybe the Cultural aspect got to Pop's head, thinking he could mold a bunch of toothless scrubs to another 50 win season while contending for a championship so he could prove himself to the rest of those NBA pundits just how smart he is and that you don't need a bunch of high priced, out of this world talents to win a championship. You just need hard work, discipline and players that buy into the system.. He reminds me a lot of Jimmy Johnson but in a smug, egotistical sort of way.

Forbes, Bertans, KA and Mills are flat out scrubs and nobody can convince me otherwise. The biggest problem is that those scrubs are seeing regular rotation minutes. You couple that with Parker's decline, Murray in the starting lineup where he doesn't belong and Pau's woeful effort on defense, you just aren't set up to win a lot of games. I mean, if those players were playing for any other team, we wouldn't even care to know who they are let alone think they could win 50 games in a season. The roster stinks.

Brazil

02-06-2018, 06:35 AM

In a nutshell and I said since day 1, issue is on rehad and Kawhi camp taking another direction from Spurs medical staff thus challenging and rumors

but let's transform into a kawhi not happy wants to leave because reasons...

SpurOutofTownFan

02-06-2018, 06:56 AM

dbreiden83080

02-06-2018, 12:48 PM

I find this so funny...

A top player is refusing to play to miss All-NBA considerations, playoffs appearances, ASG... right? I'm sure a top player loves to have a lost season. I'm sure his agent loves it too. And endorsements.

All we know it's they said that Spurs doctors couldn't find a structural damage but we didn't know what said the 2nd opinion that Kawhi got.

Also, saying threre is no structural damage doesn't mean that the quad doesn't have a dysfunction. It's not that hard to understand.

If it is not hard to understand, why don’t you get it? He was cleared by the Spurs medical staff to return to play. He pulled himself off the court. Again he is refusing to play. Pretty easy.

DAF86

02-06-2018, 12:51 PM

If it is not hard to understand, why don’t you get it? He was cleared by the Spurs medical staff to return to play. He pulled himself off the court. Again he is refusing to play. Pretty easy.

And why do you think he did that? What benefit would he get from not playing?

dbreiden83080

02-06-2018, 01:29 PM

And why do you think he did that? What benefit would he get from not playing?

Nothing

I think he has a very poor threshold for pain. Tim played on terrible knees for years and years. Jordan had back issues and knee issues on and off for years. Suck it up.

Darius Bieber

02-06-2018, 01:38 PM

Been saying this since day 1. He's Grant Hill 2.0. People will be saying "What if" a couple years from now.

ECOV

02-06-2018, 02:02 PM

Been saying this since day 1. He's Grant Hill 2.0. People will be saying "What if" a couple years from now.
:lmao:sleep

DAF86

02-06-2018, 02:40 PM

Nothing

I think he has a very poor threshold for pain. Tim played on terrible knees for years and years. Jordan had back issues and knee issues on and off for years. Suck it up.

So, iyo, he's refusing to play because he feels pain. That is a perfectly valid reason for refusing to play, imho.

dbreiden83080

02-06-2018, 03:10 PM

So, iyo, he's refusing to play because he feels pain. That is a perfectly valid reason for refusing to play, imho.

The basketball season is a tremendous grind... If you want to be an all-time great player your career is a tremendous grind. Who exactly plays a career and is a great player pain-free? Larry bird had back issues long before he ever started missing significant game time. Kobe knee issues for years.. Great players play. They deal with it.

TheChillFactor

02-06-2018, 04:30 PM

Even if it is true RC is an idiot for saying that in public. What does it benefit besides RC's feelings?

Keeping your fucking yap shut when you're pissed is Management 101.

bklynspursfan

02-06-2018, 04:50 PM

Even if it is true RC is an idiot for saying that in public. What does it benefit besides RC's feelings?

Keeping your fucking yap shut when you're pissed is Management 101.

He didn't say it. This was inaccurately reported.

bklynspursfan

02-06-2018, 04:52 PM

Now here's a relationship that does appear to be challenging:

According to The Athletic's Jason Lloyd (https://www.theathletic.com//232558/2018/02/06/as-tensions-mount-the-distance-between-lebron-james-and-the-cavaliers-is-growing/?redirected=1), "James cursed toward at least two team executives" during the late January team meeting in which some players questioned the legitimacy (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22184066/kevin-love-target-ire-cleveland-cavaliers-meeting) of Kevin Love's illness.

On top of that, Lloyd wrote James has "no relationship" with owner Dan Gilbert or general manager Koby Altman. Gilbert did not renew the contract of former GM David Griffin following the 2016-17 season.

Since then, turmoil has engulfed the organization from top to bottom, with Gilbert reportedly seizing control of basketball operations.

Bleacher Report's Ken Berger (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2756488-cavs-front-office-mistakes-pushing-lebron-and-co-to-breaking-point) previously reported Gilbert is "firmly in charge of basketball decisions once again," while Altman has been stuck in purgatory without a defined role.
"Whereas Griffin would consult with James and keep him informed of major roster decisions, that is no longer happening," Lloyd wrote. "James doesn't trust this front office, and there is no communication now between management and star player."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2758056-lebron-james-reportedly-cursed-at-cavaliers-executives-in-heated-meeting?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

Darius Bieber

02-06-2018, 05:56 PM

Now here's a relationship that does appear to be challenging:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2758056-lebron-james-reportedly-cursed-at-cavaliers-executives-in-heated-meeting?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

SpursTalk is a better source for sports news than Bleacher Report :lmao

bklynspursfan

02-06-2018, 06:26 PM

SpursTalk is a better source for sports news than Bleacher Report :lmao

Maybe read the article? It cited from another piece, I just shared the one from BR. Or would you feel better if it was from Jalen Rose?

Chris

02-06-2018, 07:18 PM

coachmac87

02-06-2018, 08:09 PM

He was taught early on never to show any emotion. Some refer to it as "showing your hand." It's something that's hard to unlearn.

I dunno. You watch Kawhi SD State videos and he has a different attitude. He would literally talk shit to Jimmer and clap in his face...

DAF86

02-06-2018, 08:16 PM

The basketball season is a tremendous grind... If you want to be an all-time great player your career is a tremendous grind. Who exactly plays a career and is a great player pain-free? Larry bird had back issues long before he ever started missing significant game time. Kobe knee issues for years.. Great players play. They deal with it.

I'm sure Kawhi has played through pain many times in his career, tbh. Including last season.

UZER

02-06-2018, 08:16 PM

He was taught early on never to show any emotion. Some refer to it as "showing your hand." It's something that's hard to unlearn.

It's it's "just a game" according to Pop, then why does he bench players showing emotion on the court?

sasaint

02-06-2018, 08:22 PM

Even if it is true RC is an idiot for saying that in public. What does it benefit besides RC's feelings?

Keeping your fucking yap shut when you're pissed is Management 101.

:tu You should post more often. :toast

dbreiden83080

02-06-2018, 08:24 PM

I'm sure Kawhi has played through pain many times in his career, tbh. Including last season.

I am just trying to put this in perspective. He may end up missing an entire calendar year with a leg injury, that has not required surgery. If he needed surgery he would have got it months ago. Tony ripped his leg up, had surgery and made it back faster. So this leg injury needs 1 full year of rehab with no surgery. That shit does not happen. Ever.. So either he is kind of soft with playing with pain, OR he has one of weirdest debilitating injuries in sports history.. Duncan had a shot knee he played on for years.. Something is not right here...

acoelho1

02-06-2018, 09:24 PM

I can't answer the first question without knowing what the actual issue is or how bad it is. I do think there are scenarios where the team would be justified in trading him. But obviously, they have a real shot at a title this year if they can get healthy (and especially if they commit to trading for a better guard).

I've been thinking about value a lot recently. I do think a team like Phoenix would back up the truck for him to the same extent they were willing to do with Irving during the draft. I'm assuming anyone but Booker would be on the table, including the numerous picks the team owns and the ability to get rid of Pau's and/or Patty's contracts. I don't think Boston is likely or desirable as a trade partner.

Something like this: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8vs6gdh

with Phoenix' pick and one of the Miami picks being added.

This trade is terrible. No star coming back and unknowns of a draft pick. Kawhi is spurs for life and I haven’t seen anything in the past week to change that. You don’t give up a player like Kawhi. He has made himself into generational type talent. He will be back and be the best player in world. All this chatter noise.

Chinook

02-06-2018, 09:29 PM

MoSpur02

02-06-2018, 09:57 PM

I am just trying to put this in perspective. He may end up missing an entire calendar year with a leg injury, that has not required surgery. If he needed surgery he would have got it months ago. Tony ripped his leg up, had surgery and made it back faster. So this leg injury needs 1 full year of rehab with no surgery. That shit does not happen. Ever.. So either he is kind of soft with playing with pain, OR he has one of weirdest debilitating injuries in sports history.. Duncan had a shot knee he played on for years.. Something is not right here...

It’s more mental than physical. He’s had multiple second opinions and has gotten pretty much the same answer from those second opinions.

Ice009

02-06-2018, 10:08 PM

It’s more mental than physical. He’s had multiple second opinions and has gotten pretty much the same answer from those second opinions.

Are you a troll? Your other thread you started the other day got deleted. Do you actually know anything, or are you just spitting out stuff you've read online?

YGWHI

02-06-2018, 10:27 PM

Are you a troll?
Yes, he is. And a liar.

He said Kawhi "has had multiple second opinions and has gotten pretty much the same answer from those second opinions" That's not true.

SAGirl

02-06-2018, 10:30 PM

I am just trying to put this in perspective. He may end up missing an entire calendar year with a leg injury, that has not required surgery. If he needed surgery he would have got it months ago. Tony ripped his leg up, had surgery and made it back faster. So this leg injury needs 1 full year of rehab with no surgery. That shit does not happen. Ever.. So either he is kind of soft with playing with pain, OR he has one of weirdest debilitating injuries in sports history.. Duncan had a shot knee he played on for years.. Something is not right here...
That injury is extremely concerning. I think Durant fractured a foot, had surgery and refractured that same foot and healed it in time to come back in a single season and this injury is about 3/4 of the season in with a nebulous outlook. I had never seen anything like this, though I don’t go way back. It’s just really worrisome.

YGWHI

02-06-2018, 10:35 PM

This trade is terrible. No star coming back and unknowns of a draft pick. Kawhi is spurs for life and I haven’t seen anything in the past week to change that. You don’t give up a player like Kawhi. He has made himself into generational type talent. He will be back and be the best player in world. All this chatter noise.

You lost Chinook after "generational type talent"...He never saw him like a top 2-3 player in the league. But that's Chinook's problem.

Anyway, there are many reasons why I want Kawhi to be a Spur for life but one of them is...Chinook and the other two haters having to deal with Kawhi being the Spurs best player until he retires.

I'll LOVE it.

Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) just trying to find bigger faults in Kawhi than there are in real life, like he has done since he got here, tbh.

The same guy who said that Kawhi's game and USG% ruined Spurs' role players last season is the same guy who says now "again, though, definitely seems to be affecting the rest of the team poorly right now"

So when Kawhi doesn't play, role players underperforming against good teams...But they play poor too when he plays?

I'd say it tells more about the low-talent level of role players than it does about Kawhi.

It's always Kawhi's fault, right?

YGWHI

02-06-2018, 10:39 PM

YGWHI

02-06-2018, 10:41 PM

That injury is extremely concerning. I think Durant fractured a foot, had surgery and refractured that same foot and healed it in time to come back in a single season and this injury is about 3/4 of the season in with a nebulous outlook. I had never seen anything like this, though I don’t go way back. It’s just really worrisome.
I wasted my time trying to explain him that not every injury looks the same but he can't get it. Weird guy.

YGWHI

02-06-2018, 10:54 PM

It was interesting Jabari was very clear it doesn't mean that Kawhi wants out and that all those rumors are unfounded. (if you look at the tweet, there is follow up).

But he's definitely a reserved person and this rehab has been very difficult.
That's what both parts, Pop/RC and Kawhi's camp, have said. The injury is the issue.

All the drama about Kawhi wants a better roster or he wants out are unfounded.

I think the Tim comment implies things Timmy did as a leader and other intangibles off the court that Kiwi doesn't have.
People here are trying to read too much.

Jabari Young was very clear in his Tim's comment. It had nothing to do with Kawhi's teammates.

Young was talking about how Tim being the Spurs best friend was obviously RC/Pop best friend. Tim and Pop were like family, Kawhi doesn't have that relationship with Pop and doesn't want to have either...And PATFO would alienate him if they want the same relationship they have with Tim.

SAGirl

02-06-2018, 11:00 PM

That's what both parts, Pop/RC and Kawhi's camp, have said. The injury is the issue.

All the drama about Kawhi wants a better roster or he wants out are unfounded.

People here are trying to read too much.

Jabari Young was very clear in his Tim's comment. It had nothing to do with Kawhi's teammates.

Young was talking about how Tim being the Spurs best friend was obviously RC/Pop best friend. Tim and Pop were like family, Kawhi doesn't have that relationship with Pop and doesn't want to have either...And PATFO would alienate him if they want the same relationship they have with Tim.

Goid interpretation and good points.

Its just a shame for all involved his season has gone like this. I am still hoping he comes back this season but in general I am worried for him and the team.

YGWHI

02-06-2018, 11:35 PM

I am still hoping he comes back this season
I don't.
Some people here say the Spurs are fine without Kawhi this season, they say the Spurs should trade him for some 1st round pick in the draft... I'd say just sit him the rest of the season and let his quad to heal properly.

I am worried for him and the team.
I'm not.

Both parts together build a contender but Kawhi will be great in SA, Utah, Phoenix, Denver, everywhere. And the Spurs are always the Spurs. Don't worry for them.

MoSpur02

02-06-2018, 11:51 PM

Are you a troll? Your other thread you started the other day got deleted. Do you actually know anything, or are you just spitting out stuff you've read online?
:lol CALling me a troll. Just because someone on here gives different views, opinions, or in my case facts means I or anyone else is a troll. Not sure why my thread was deleted and really don’t care. I can’t and won’t reveal my sources because that person would be in serious trouble. Kawhi has been cleared to play. He has gotten second opinions and has been told the same thing the Spurs physicians told him. However, he is the one not choosing to play. It’s a mental thing from what I have been told.

MoSpur02

02-06-2018, 11:52 PM

Yes, he is. And a liar.

He said Kawhi "has had multiple second opinions and has gotten pretty much the same answer from those second opinions" That's not true.
I have absolutely no reason to lie. I don’t care if you or anyone else believes me. Don’t wanna believe me? That’s just fine with me. Honestly. It doesn’t matter at all to me.

YGWHI

02-06-2018, 11:53 PM

He has gotten second opinions and has been told the same thing the Spurs physicians told him.
Again. Can you post the link? Please, liar.

MoSpur02

02-07-2018, 12:02 AM

Again. Can you post the link? Please, liar.

Here is one article backing up what I know. This isn’t my source, but you asked for something here it is.

http://m.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Popovich-There-s-no-soap-opera-involving-Spurs-12519653.php

Again this article isn’t why I have stated he has had second opinions. I received that information somewhere else.

YGWHI

02-07-2018, 12:09 AM

Here is one article backing up what I know. This isn’t my source, but you asked for something here it is.

http://m.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Popovich-There-s-no-soap-opera-involving-Spurs-12519653.php

Again this article isn’t why I have stated he has had second opinions.

In this article Pop never said the 2nd opinion said the same that the Spurs doctors. I wonder why you posted it...

I didn't ask for "something" I asked for a link that says the 2nd opinion confirmed Spurs' diagnosis.

I received that information somewhere else.
How convenient, right?

Just tell your "source" to stop lying.

TheDoctor

02-07-2018, 12:11 AM

In this article Pop never said that the 2nd opinion said the same Spurs doctors diagnosis. I wonder why you posted it.

I received that information somewhere else.
How convenient, right?

:lmao #TheReach is strong.

MaNu4Tres

02-07-2018, 12:17 AM

TheDoctor

02-07-2018, 12:18 AM

Fwiw Mo has been around for a while tbh...

Even though he rarely posted -- he's not a troll. He was around when I first joined in 06'.

If you look back at his history, you can find him mentioning EricB when he quit on the Spurs in 05'.

He's very stupid and dumb then.

YGWHI

02-07-2018, 12:18 AM

:lmao #TheReach is strong.

:lol

#13 pages with the same shit.

YGWHI

02-07-2018, 12:21 AM

MaNu4Tres

02-07-2018, 12:22 AM

So if he's an old poster that means he's not a troll? Remember that one of the oldest here is...Sequ.

He has no history of trolling. Check his posts.

YGWHI

02-07-2018, 12:24 AM

He has no history of trolling. Check his posts.

I don't need to

I read his posts in this thread. Trust me that was enough.

MoSpur02

02-07-2018, 12:24 AM

Appreciate it MaNu4Tres. Honestly don’t care what these cats think. Doesn’t bother me.

MaNu4Tres

02-07-2018, 12:25 AM

He's very stupid and dumb then.

You just don't like what was posted.

He's not a troll though.

YGWHI

02-07-2018, 12:28 AM

Doesn’t bother me.
Liar.

It bothers you enough to post a random article that doesn't say anything at all

MaNu4Tres

02-07-2018, 12:28 AM

I don't need to

I read his posts in this thread. Trust me that was enough.

Confirmation bias is pretty strong with you sir, and I understand why.

All I'm saying is hes not a troll.

rasuo214

02-07-2018, 12:33 AM

Kawhi needs to look himself in the mirror. If we need to go to details, he couldn't score a FT right at the end of the game to seal the 2013 championship - the Heat were done. Hypothetically that would have been 2 consecutive rings. Hypothetically speaking.

Neither could Manu, difference is 1 was a player in his 2nd year and the other was a seasoned vet.

I wish this forum was around to see how quickly everyone would have turned on Tim Duncan for even considering Orlando.

Also people are taking the Jabari tweets to mean Kawhi is all of a sudden a team cancer when really it's just that Kawhi and Tim have different personalities and you can't force Kawhi to have Tim's personality. Tim is a once in a lifetime player, it's unrealistic to expect anyone to be like him. Tony and Manu have different personalities as well and neither are cancers.

YGWHI

02-07-2018, 12:35 AM

Confirmation bias is pretty strong with you sir, and I understand why.
At least I don't lie like others here. Every data that I post it's easy to confirm with a link.

MaNu4Tres

02-07-2018, 12:39 AM

At least I don't lie like others here. Every data that I post here it's easy to confirm with a link.

Sometimes people can know people. And they don't need a link or Jeff McDonald to let them know of a situation that Pop would never tell SAEN in the first place.

SA media is very vanilla and robotic in their reporting. The next SAEN reporter who will post any drama inducing soap opera during the season will be jeopardizing their job. Pop has them walking a very fine line...find out what happened Kevin O Keefe and why it happened.

apalisoc_9

02-07-2018, 01:01 AM

Ygwhi is a cool dude tbh. Just looking out for out star.

But i can confirm, I have been lurking and posting ins purstalk since 06 and mo has a decent record. He knows someone within the organization.

His thread getting deleted shouldnt come as a surpirse. Some mods here or some peeps in general hate the fact that some grey guy has inside source they dont. Im not gonna name names.

I troll a lot tbh, but i can tell you that the one guy i know that works within the organization says there is no vibe within the spurs organization that his injury is severe. I dont know if that means he refuses to play or if he was cleared. I dont know.

But him being a Guy that loves spotlights and Numbers is something I can tell you is a 100% fact. I have said that for two years now. I love kawhi a lot. I love him more than pop and patfo, but he is a very hungry dude.

I think this whole issue is a combination of him not being mentally prepared and just not motivated to play for the organization. There are no incentives for superstars here. Pop and RC gets the lions share of rscognition.

YGWHI

02-07-2018, 01:02 AM

Sometimes people can know people.
I know better than that liar who are Kawhi's best friends and his cousins. But I never posted something that I just "heard". I respect privacy and I always waited for a reporter online, a comment on radio, something public to post it

If he says that the 2nd opinion confirmed Spurs diagnosis, better he finds a link. Because it's not true.

daslicer

02-07-2018, 01:03 AM

YGWHI

02-07-2018, 01:04 AM

Mo has been around the block and possibly a gtg ... who the heck is yghwhighwi?
All you need to know is one guy is lying and it's not me.

Keepin' it real

02-07-2018, 01:06 AM

So either he is kind of soft with playing with pain, OR he has one of weirdest debilitating injuries in sports history.

You left out one other option: he's faking it.

Honestly, at this point, it's the most plausible explanation if you don't look at this with fanboy or hometown eyes.

Whether it's because he hates LMA, or he's upset they didn't keep his boys Simmons and Dedmon, or because he hates the roster, or because Pop was pressuring him to be a Timmy disciple, or whatever. My suspicion is Kawhi is using the injury excuse to engage in a quasi holdout to pressure the Spurs to do ... I don't know what.

daslicer

02-07-2018, 01:08 AM

I don't know much about this Mo guy but I can't say he's just making up stuff. I talked to a good friend mine whose a doctor the other day and he said Kawhi's injury is pretty strange and that unless he has a torn a muscle that he should be eligible to play by now. I'm starting to believe like Mo said this is all mental with Kawhi.

apalisoc_9

02-07-2018, 01:08 AM

The idea that kawhi hates the spotlight and just want to workout and be a pro is regurgitated myth.

Let me put it this way, Kawhi is an introverted Kobe.

It doesnt look like he complained much in the last 4 years but you cant do that stuff in SA without repurcussions.

He probably feels like he has enough pull to do whatever he wants. I am fairly positive his opinion about spurs is neutrel at best...most likely negative. Its not the kind of organization superstars like kawhi would want to play for.

He can probably be as controlling as he wants in chicago, NY etc. Ie take the shots he wants, play all the minutes, rest all he wants..generally just make the call.

daslicer

02-07-2018, 01:10 AM

You left out one other option: he's faking it.

Honestly, at this point, it's the most plausible explanation if you don't look at this with fanboy or hometown eyes.

Whether it's because he hates LMA, or he's upset they didn't keep his boys Simmons and Dedmon, or because he hates the roster, or because Pop was pressuring him to be a Timmy disciple, or whatever. My suspicion is Kawhi is using the injury excuse to engage in a quasi holdout to pressure the Spurs to do ... I don't know what.

Yup that's how I feel right now about this situation. Too bad Kawhi is a mute so we don't know what the hell he wants.

apalisoc_9

02-07-2018, 01:12 AM

Yup that's how I feel right now about this situation. Too bad Kawhi is a mute so we don't know what the hell he wants.

He wants control. He wants superstar freedom.

At this point i dont think he is a good fit with San Antonio. I honestly cant think of a superstar that is. I think the more correct view is that Pop is out of touch.

YGWHI

02-07-2018, 01:14 AM

But i can confirm, I have been lurking and posting ins purstalk since 06 and mo has a decent record. He knows someone within the organization.
Really? And he said what he said about the 2nd opinion? Or he doesn't know a shit. Or he's lying. The same with you.

You had reasons to DM me, one or two years ago because you implied for one of my posts I know someone...Don't lie now[/QUOTE]

YGWHI

02-07-2018, 01:28 AM

I talked to a good friend mine whose a doctor the other day and he said Kawhi's injury is pretty strange and that unless he has a torn a muscle that he should be eligible to play by now. I'm starting to believe like Mo said this is all mental with Kawhi.
The way that Spurs medical staff mishandling his injury is the main reason why he's not playing.

We all know he was training hard in the summer. He could know now he needed a different treatment in offseason but he didn't get that from Spurs doctors.

People here would love to keep saying it's a mental issue instead of admitting the Spurs medical staff made a mistake.

apalisoc_9

02-07-2018, 01:28 AM

Really? And he said what he said about the 2nd opinion? Or he doesn't know a shit. Or he's lying. The same with you.

You had reasons to DM me, one or two years ago because you implied for one of my posts I know someone...Don't lie now[/QUOTE]

Cmon bro, i told people its possible you might know someone because of your committment with kawhi. I think we all want the same thing.

I love kawhi man. There is no reason for me to lie about his injury. I am probably the know Golden Boy Kawhi superfan and people say i am obssessed with him.

I am just looking at things objectively right now and it seems fair to assume he is just refusing to play for whatever reason. A reason we dont know.

apalisoc_9

02-07-2018, 01:30 AM

The way that Spurs medical staff mishandling his injury is the main reason why he's not playing.

We all know he was training hard in the summer. He could know now he needed a different treatment in offseason but he didn't get that from Spurs doctors.

People here would love to keep saying it's a mental issue instead of admitting the Spurs medical staff made a mistake.

The spurs medical stuff did make a mistake. Thats why i fully support kawhi if he wants to sit out.

Its possible his camp thinks since the spurs botched his injury diagonisis and they are just in time for a supermax..they could take it as Spurs trying to manipualte leonards livelihood.

Point is, kawhi just doesnt trust the spurs.

YGWHI

02-07-2018, 01:31 AM

He wants control. He wants superstar freedom.
And he tells you that?

His fams tell you that?

All Spurs fans know he's a gym rat, everyone knows he only cares about basketball.

He wants control? F*ck you. He only wants doctors he can trust.

YGWHI

02-07-2018, 01:36 AM

The spurs medical stuff did make a mistake. Thats why i fully support kawhi if he wants to sit out.

Its possible his camp thinks since the spurs botched his injury diagonisis and they are just in time for a supermax..they could take it as Spurs trying to manipualte leonards livelihood.

Point is, kawhi just doesnt trust the spurs.

First you say it's a mental thing and now this...? C'mon.

SnakeBoy

02-07-2018, 01:53 AM

Even if it is true RC is an idiot for saying that in public. What does it benefit besides RC's feelings?

Keeping your fucking yap shut when you're pissed is Management 101.

Here's what RC actually said.

Buford said last week that the issue of Leonard’s rehab is “not chilling; it’s challenging. But no one’s put more time into than our group, and Kawhi, and we’ve put all the resources we can, internally and externally, to get him feeling confident enough to play.”

MoSpur02

02-07-2018, 02:08 AM

Here's what RC actually said.

Buford said last week that the issue of Leonard’s rehab is “not chilling; it’s challenging. But no one’s put more time into than our group, and Kawhi, and we’ve put all the resources we can, internally and externally, to get him feeling confident enough to play.”

R.C stated the Spurs organization has put all the resources they can “internally and externally” to get Kawhi to feel “confident enough to play.” What does that mean? IMO it means they have done or are doing all they can to get Kawhi not just physically, but mentally ready to play again. What does confidence have to do with his quad not being healed? Just my opinion or way of looking into what R.C said.

Ice009

02-07-2018, 05:25 AM

The main reason I am thinking you might be a troll is because in your thread that was deleted, I questioned you validity partly due to your low post count. You said that's because you lost your old account, but the account you're on now is 10 years old. So wtf were you talking about saying that you've lost your old account and that this one is a new one, hence the low post count?

Your explanation there doesn't add up. If it wasn't for that, I would of half believed you, even without stating any sources.

r0drig0lac

02-07-2018, 05:40 AM

Whether it's because he hates LMA, or he's upset they didn't keep his boys Simmons and Dedmon, or because he hates the roster, or because Pop was pressuring him to be a Timmy disciple, or whatever. My suspicion is Kawhi is using the injury excuse to engage in a quasi holdout to pressure the Spurs to do ... I don't know what.

I can not fault it here, I would also be and this would be easier to accept tbh

TheDoctor

02-07-2018, 07:49 AM

:lol

MaNu4Tres

02-07-2018, 08:33 AM

The main reason I am thinking you might be a troll is because in your thread that was deleted I ask about your low post count. You said that's because you lost your old account, but account you're on is 10 years old. So wtf were you talking about saying you've lost your old account and that this one is a new one, hence the low post count.

Your explanation there doesn't add up. If it wasn't for that, I would of half believed you, even without stating any sources.

He's not a troll. He had an account when ST first started and posted more frequently with that account.

As people get older, the less they post because priorities and other things change. You'll find that out too eventually.

He's not a troll tho, I promise you that.

Ice009

02-07-2018, 08:51 AM

He's not a troll. He had an account when ST first started and posted more frequently with that account.

As people get older, the less they post because priorities and other things change. You'll find that out too eventually.

He's not a troll tho, I promise you that.

OK, thanks. That makes sense about not posting much as people get older. I thought he might be lying because usually accounts with low post counts are either lurkers or ones that trolls have that may have been lying dormant for a while before they start using them, but if you remember him from back then, then I will trust you and apologize.

MoSpur02

02-07-2018, 09:27 AM

Not really sure why my account here was changed from MoSpur to MoSpur02. Just noticed the change all of a sudden one day after logging into the account after a long time of not logging in.

Russ

02-07-2018, 10:17 AM

MaNu4Tres

02-07-2018, 10:55 AM

Not really sure why my account here was changed from MoSpur to MoSpur02. Just noticed the change all of a sudden one day after logging into the account after a long time of not logging in.

I know, I remembered MoSpur.

You used to post pretty frequently before 2008. (Then searching for your posts under MoSpur, you posted over 7,000 times lol).

A lot of people just throw things they don't want to hear under the troll file, unfortunately.

I heard about LaMarcus two summers ago not being happy, wishing he signed with Phoenix and they mocked me too. This is after being on this forum and never trolling for over 10 years.

TheDoctor

02-07-2018, 10:58 AM

:lol the fucking drama.

SAGirl

02-07-2018, 11:39 AM

I know, I remembered MoSpur.

You used to post pretty frequently before 2008. (Then searching for your posts under MoSpur, you posted over 7,000 times lol).

A lot of people just throw things they don't want to hear under the troll file, unfortunately.

I heard about LaMarcus two summers ago not being happy, wishing he signed with Phoenix and they mocked me too. This is after being on this forum and never trolling for over 10 years.
Ok let's speculate a little... Why do you think he's holding himself out?
Mo says it's mental. A psychosomatic pain it's still a pain... But how to resolve it is really ????

Do you think it's something elsd? Something calculated? Pop says he wants to play, he's just not comfortable and confident enough. (And he didn't appear to have the same explosion of you recall... Though maybe he was on his way, looking much better when he as sat down again.

Dre_7

02-07-2018, 12:09 PM

Ok let's speculate a little... Why do you think he's holding himself out?
Mo says it's mental. A psychosomatic pain it's still a pain... But how to resolve it is really ????

I know this isn't directed at me but I think he does feel pain and is holding himself out until he is pain free and I think the reason for that is avoid doing any more damage right before he can cash in on a big pay day. There is a whole lot of money riding on his quad being 100% healthy for the next several years. My opinion, is he wants to wait until he is back to 100 percent before risking playing on it when he has that much money on the line.

MaNu4Tres

02-07-2018, 12:11 PM

Ok let's speculate a little... Why do you think he's holding himself out?
Mo says it's mental. A psychosomatic pain it's still a pain... But how to resolve it is really ????

Do you think it's something elsd? Something calculated? Pop says he wants to play, he's just not comfortable and confident enough. (And he didn't appear to have the same explosion of you recall... Though maybe he was on his way, looking much better when he as sat down again.

Pop and the Spurs will always say the right things. They'd never try to induce drama or worry during the season. They'll lie or be very vague just to put an end to distractions of the potential soap opera.

As for me, I have no idea. No point in speculating because nothing comes out from the horses mouth.

He can't even talk with the media to address the rumors, much-less practice with his teammates most of the year.

SAGirl

02-07-2018, 12:16 PM

Dre_7

02-07-2018, 12:22 PM

This makes perfect sense.

I am hoping he is better this season.

:tu :claw

I think he will be back this season, I think he will play well, and I think he will sign the super max with the Spurs in July. :claw

That is just speculation of course, but I am not too worried. Money talks and I think the relationship would have to be pretty torn for Kawhi to not sign the super max if offered to him.

bklynspursfan

02-07-2018, 12:43 PM

I think he will be back this season, I think he will play well, and I think he will sign the super max with the Spurs in July. :claw

That is just speculation of course, but I am not too worried. Money talks and I think the relationship would have to be pretty torn for Kawhi to not sign the super max if offered to him.

I'm hoping he comes back when Rudy does, which should be right after the ASB. That would be the perfect time to get our guys back and get into a rhythm. First game back is 2/25 in Cleveland. That would be nearly a month and a half since his last played game. (which was 1/13)

lefty

02-07-2018, 01:16 PM

Drama in San Antonio?

This is refreshing tbh

TD 21

02-07-2018, 01:33 PM

I know this isn't directed at me but I think he does feel pain and is holding himself out until he is pain free and I think the reason for that is avoid doing any more damage right before he can cash in on a big pay day. There is a whole lot of money riding on his quad being 100% healthy for the next several years. My opinion, is he wants to wait until he is back to 100 percent before risking playing on it when he has that much money on the line.

Probably true, but If he's concerned that they won't offer the super max if he doesn't look quite the same, then why would he be any more confident that they would if he barely plays?

Unless they have it on strong authority that this is a Roy, Granger, Stoudemire type situation (which is highly doubtful), they're offering him the super max either way. If he doesn't already, they won't risk alienating him to the point where he wants out.

Short of believing Brown or Tatum can become at least a top 10 player (again, highly doubtful), the alternative is banishment from even thinking of contending until they can luck into drafting that caliber of player again. Look no further than most franchises to find out rare that is.

Dre_7

02-07-2018, 01:37 PM

Probably true, but If he's concerned that they won't offer the super max if he doesn't look quite the same, then why would he be any more confident that they would if he barely plays?

My guess is, since he is still feeling pain he doesn't want to risk doing long term damage. And that is what could affect his contract. If he barely plays but gets back to 100%, he will get paid. If he plays a lot but does some long term damage, there may be a chance he doesn't get the super max offer. But as long as he is healthy, the Spurs will (or at least should) offer the super max, regardless of how many games he plays this season.

UZER

02-07-2018, 02:48 PM

Probably true, but If he's concerned that they won't offer the super max if he doesn't look quite the same, then why would he be any more confident that they would if he barely plays?

Unless they have it on strong authority that this is a Roy, Granger, Stoudemire type situation (which is highly doubtful), they're offering him the super max either way. If he doesn't already, they won't risk alienating him to the point where he wants out.

Short of believing Brown or Tatum can become at least a top 10 player (again, highly doubtful), the alternative is banishment from even thinking of contending until they can luck into drafting that caliber of player again. Look no further than most franchises to find out rare that is.

For the 1,000 times, Pop doesn't not like and does not want super athletic players on his team. It's proven in his track record of 20 years. If they end up on the team, he let's them go in a year or two.

Edit: Misread your post. Thought you were pining for brown.

daslicer

02-07-2018, 03:06 PM

For the 1,000 times, Pop doesn't not like and does not want super athletic players on his team. It's proven in his track record of 20 years. If they end up on the team, he let's them go in a year or two.

Edit: Misread your post. Thought you were pining for brown.

That's true Pop doesn't like super athletic players but I think he would like Brown. Brown comes across as very scholarly and was captain of his Hschool chess team, speaks fluent spanish, plays the piano, and is politically aware and attended Berkeley. I think Pop would get a hard on for Brown.

Ice009

02-07-2018, 03:11 PM

Wow. I didn't know that about Brown. If that is the case, then I really like him too.

MaNu4Tres

02-07-2018, 03:14 PM

Wow. I didn't know that about Brown. If that is the case, then I really like him too.

I love him & Tatum.

If Spurs can get both or 1 of them + LAs 1st + Men 1st, you pull the damn trigger ( if Kawhi wants out/re sign).

UZER

02-07-2018, 03:38 PM

That's true Pop doesn't like super athletic players but I think he would like Brown. Brown comes across as very scholarly and was captain of his Hschool chess team, speaks fluent spanish, plays the piano, and is politically aware and attended Berkeley. I think Pop would get a hard on for Brown.

But will he stand in the right spot without moving like Bonner used too? Pop prefers that over any play an athletic players makes outside of his system.

dbreiden83080

02-07-2018, 05:29 PM

For some reason Kawhi wanted a 2nd opinion.

Yeah that is fine. You do that to be sure of what you are being told. But he obviously was not told anything new. He did not suddenly get surgery. This seems like it is in his head. He is not used to playing in a degree of pain. Not sure what his magic answer will be?

dbreiden83080

02-07-2018, 05:36 PM

You left out one other option: he's faking it.

Honestly, at this point, it's the most plausible explanation if you don't look at this with fanboy or hometown eyes.

Whether it's because he hates LMA, or he's upset they didn't keep his boys Simmons and Dedmon, or because he hates the roster, or because Pop was pressuring him to be a Timmy disciple, or whatever. My suspicion is Kawhi is using the injury excuse to engage in a quasi holdout to pressure the Spurs to do ... I don't know what.

He is not getting a huge deal from the Spurs in the off-season unless he comes back after the break, and fucking balls. Spurs go on a run and he is back. Has a strong playoff run. Other than that he must come back next year and prove himself all over again. To everyone if he wants to leave in FA after next year..