Stein: Spurs Have Emerged as as Trade Suitor for Avery Bradley

[sasaint]

No one has remarked about the Spurs wanting to add another 6’2” guard to their rotation???

:lol

Several - maybe not by specific height.

[sasaint]

If the Spurs were really in it to win it, they would move TP before Green, imo.

Me, too. Not gonna happen. I am just keeping my fingers crossed that the Spurs don't re-up Tony.

[Dre_7]

And Dejounte Murray and Kyle Anderson are the best defensive PGs and SFs in the league because DPRM says so.

Murray and Anderson are good defenders (definitely not scrubs) but they won't be All-Defensive team selections like DG was last year. And again, like I said, scrubs don't make All-Defensive teams. Your troll game is kinda weak, pal

[FkLA]

Id probably move Green for Bradley, tbh.

Can someone give me cliff notes on this rumor?

[Leetonidas]

Idk man kobe was getting all defense nods for years just off reputation and his defense was garbage from 2003 onward

[gambit1990]

If the Spurs were really in it to win it, they would move TP before Green, imo.

[Hoops Czar]

I know people were holding out for a Danny Green for Anthony Davis or Giannis Antetokounmpo trade but those trades seem very unlike at this point in time.

[Mal]

Send Mills down with 1st round pick. Other trade are stupid

[HarlemHeat37]

It's a lateral move from a basketball perspective..neither guy is as good as they used to be and they're both low-floor/high ceiling players that can be useful in the correct setting(Bradley has failed miserably since they tried to turn him into something more than a role player)..

I could see why the Spurs would do it(for the reasons DPG mentioned) and it's a no-brainer for the Clippers..it wouldn't solve any of the Spurs' issues, though..with teams like the Warriors/Rockets, you want to have a bunch of long wings/2-way guys playing together in versatile lineups, rather than trading one for another..

Ideally, you want to swap one of your tiny guards who will get exposed against Warriors/Rockets offensive switches and defensive pressure(Parker, Mills, Forbes)..unfortunately, Green is probably their only tradeable piece, since Mills' contract is poison, Forbes has no value and Parker is God..

[gambit1990]

if the spurs trade a 6’6” defender for a defender who’s 6’2” :lol

[Hoops Czar]

Murray and Anderson are good defenders (definitely not scrubs) but they won't be All-Defensive team selections like DG was last year. And again, like I said, scrubs don't make All-Defensive teams. Your troll game is kinda weak, pal

I'm going to count how many times I'm going to make you eat your own shit this year after Danny blows his defensive assignments left and right and every time it happens, I'm going to quote you in the thread. I'm sure you'll be nowhere to be found.

[NASpurs]

if the spurs trade a 6’6” defender for a defender who’s 6’2” :lol

It's not just a one-to-one trade either. It's LDN + a first round pick for a regressing midget.

[Hoops Czar]

if the spurs trade a 6’6” defender for a defender who’s 6’2” :lol

Size doesn't matter when you're way out of position or you fall for the same pump fake 10 times in a row.

[Dre_7]

I'm going to count how many times I'm going to make you eat your own shit this year after Danny blows his defensive assignments left and right and every time it happens, I'm going to quote you in the thread. I'm sure you'll be nowhere to be found.

:lol Well if he was blowing assignments left and right he wouldn't have made an All-Defensive team.

[DAF86]

if the spurs trade a 6’6” defender for a defender who’s 6’2” :lol

This.

[Big Empty]

DM is 6’5. He could take guard the SG’s and AB take on the PGs

[DAF86]

DM is 6’5. He could take guard the SG’s and AB take on the PGs

Then you would be losing much of what makes Murray valuable: his defense and rebounds over shorter PGs.

[spurraider21]

Bradley had a lot of potential if he was able to become an NBA point guard... but instead he's an undersized 2. still, he brings more to the table on offense than Green, but he can't defend wings like Green. its pretty close to a lateral move, though bradley is a few years younger.

but makes no sense to also throw in a first round pick

[gospursgojas]

if the spurs trade a 6’6” defender for a defender who’s 6’2” :lol


if the spurs trade a 6’6” defender for a defender who’s 6’2” :lol


if the spurs trade a 6’6” defender for a defender who’s 6’2” :lol


if the spurs trade a 6’6” defender for a defender who’s 6’2” :lol

[tholdren]

I know you're a troll but come on. Scrubs don't make All-Defensive teams.

Lol right. The nba doesnt have 3 players who play good defense after the three its pretty much whoever

[Atl Spur]

Height doesn’t make you a great defender; Danny is a system player! Put Avery in our system he would probably flourish. His lateral quickness , speed and instincts a far more superior to greens.

[Atl Spur]

Pistons may trade Stanley now......

[DAF86]

Height doesn’t make you a great defender; Danny is a system player! Put Avery in our system he would probably flourish. His lateral quickness , speed and instincts a far more superior to greens.

Not exclusively, but it always helps. A good 6'6'' defender will be better than a good 6'2'' defender, and a shitty 6'2'' defender will be shittier than a shitty 6'6'' defender.

[Dre_7]

Not exclusively, but it always helps. A good 6'6'' defender will be better than a good 6'2'' defender, and a shitty 6'2'' defender will be shittier than a shitty 6'6'' defender.

:tu

And Green is an elite defender.

[Atl Spur]

We shall see.......... Danny will be TRASH if he leaves the spurs! One trick pony..

[jsandiego]

Patty to Clips for Bradley.
Green & Fathead to Clips for DeAndre Jordan.
Green opts out in off-season and re-signs.

Next year we're Detroit Pistons 2004. Our defense will be:
Murray
Green
Kawhi
LaMarcus
Jordan
Bradley off the bench

Get ready for 78-77 victories in 2019!

[Phenomanul]

On defense:
Mills <<<<<<<<< Bradley << Green

On offense:
Mills << Green < Bradley

Contractual bang for the buck:
Mills <<<<< Bradley <<<<<< Green

[Dre_7]

We shall see.......... Danny will be TRASH if he leaves the spurs! One trick pony..

And Avery Bradley has been trash since he left the Celtics. He isn't worth Green and a 1st.

[Atl Spur]

Like I said, in our system. You guys can’t be that blind! That man is a better player than Danny

[Keepin' it real]

Can't wait to see Bradley shut down either Steph or Klay on Saturday!!!

[Atl Spur]

And he’s younger

[Dre_7]

Like I said, in our system. You guys can’t be that blind! That man is a better player than Danny

No he isn't. He was just traded and now the team that traded for him is trying to trade him again. Why?

[TimDunkem]

No he isn't. He was just traded and now the team that traded for him is trying to trade him again. Why?

Because expirings are gold.

[Atl Spur]

No he isn't. He was just traded and now the team that traded for him is trying to trade him again. Why?

I won’t waste your time nor mine! I agree to disagree

[Dre_7]

Because expirings are gold.

So they would trade away an expiring for DG who may or may not opt out next year? Why would they trade an expiring if it is gold?

[HarlemHeat37]

Well, another year, another pointless trade thread:lol at least this one only reached 10 pages..

[Dre_7]

Well, another year, another pointless trade thread:lol at least this one only reached 10 pages..

Nothing beats the Pau thread from a few years ago :lol

[TimDunkem]

So they would trade away an expiring for DG who may or may not opt out next year? Why would they trade an expiring if it is gold?

Danny will get a better deal if he opts out. And :lol at thinking he would opt-in to that LAC shit show.

[HarlemHeat37]

Danny will get a better deal if he opts out. And :lol at thinking he would opt-in to that LAC shit show.

As a Green fan, I would hope he has enough self-awareness to realize he shouldn't be living in LA, even ignoring the Clippers mess..he has enough self-control problems in fucking SA:lol

[Dre_7]

Danny will get a better deal if he opts out. And :lol at thinking he would opt-in to that LAC shit show.

So why would they even risk it then? They already have Bradley's expiring contract, just keep that and have space next year. Unless they want that late first rounder that bad?

And also, why would DG get a better deal if he is so bad? :lol Spurs fans

[TimDunkem]

As a Green fan, I would hope he has enough self-awareness to realize he shouldn't be living in LA, even ignoring the Clippers mess..he has enough self-control problems in fucking SA:lol

No shit. Danny "Teen Night at the club" Green would probably be out of the league by the end of his next contract if he stuck in LA with all that temptation. :lol

[TimDunkem]

So why would they even risk it then? They already have Bradley's expiring contract, just keep that and have space next year. Unless they want that late first rounder that bad?

And also, why would DG get a better deal if he is so bad? :lol Spurs fans
There is no risk. You could move Danny again if he opted in for any reason. And, yes, a first rounder in a reasonably strong draft is nice compensation. Well done answering your own question.

Also :lol at asking how Danny can get a better guaranteed deal when we have a no-skill, no defense playing midget fleecing our FO for 50 million and a guaranteed roster spot. :lol casuals

[Dre_7]

There is no risk. You could move Danny again if he opted in for any reason. And, yes, a first rounder in a reasonably strong draft is nice compensation. Well done answering your own question.

Also :lol at asking how Danny can get a better guaranteed deal when we have a no-skill, no defense playing midget fleecing our FO for 50 million and a guaranteed roster spot. :lol casuals

:lol at casuals

Everything you are saying confirms that it is a great deal for LAC. Which is why they are trying to make that deal. :lol

DG > Bradley
DG 1st rounder >>> Bradley

It would be a foolish trade for the Spurs to make

[TimDunkem]

So they would trade away an expiring for DG who may or may not opt out next year? Why would they trade an expiring if it is gold?


:lol at casuals

Everything you are saying confirms that it is a great deal for LAC. Which is why they are trying to make that deal. :lol

DG > Bradley
DG 1st rounder >>> Bradley

It would be a foolish trade for the Spurs to make

:lol Uh no shit. You asked so I explained it to you.

[Dre_7]

:lol Uh no shit. You asked so I explained it to you.

Wait I'm confused. I thought you wanted the Spurs to make this move? Perhaps I misunderstood. My apologies

[sananspursfan21]

Not exclusively, but it always helps. A good 6'6'' defender will be better than a good 6'2'' defender, and a shitty 6'2'' defender will be shittier than a shitty 6'6'' defender.

Guys who say otherwise have never played basketball either competitively or recreationally. I’ve played some excellent defenders (relative to surroundings that is) that were several inches shorter. They may not have let me move toward the basket much but I always had the option to shoot over. Then I’ve played some lesser talented defenders taller and not as mobile and they make you work hard. Shooting over them is never an option. No matter what, you’ve got to go around them. Height makes a huge difference in playing defense. Hence the Spurs strategy to go opposite of small ball with a long backcourt. With the right personnel, big-ball would win every time.

[sasaint]

Spurs fans can now exhale. We didn't trade Danny and a first for Avery Bradley.

[Budkin]

Spurs fans can now exhale. We didn't trade Danny and a first for Avery Bradley.

That's actually great news.

[spursistan]

lol this trade had no traction at all..Stein getting played by the Clippers sources. There is a reason ESPN kicked him to the curb when they acquired Woj.

Stein is solid and credible reporter but he is definitely a league below Woj and Shams.. Has he even broken anything since Joining the NYTimes?

[sasaint]

That's actually great news.

:tu I did not use a blue font.

[sasaint]

lol this trade had no traction at all..Stein getting played by the Clippers sources.

Yep. Even though reports kind of made it seem like the Spurs were the instigators.

[cd98]

I just can't believe this rumor wasn't real.

[cd021]

So glad this deal didn't go through :tu

[LittleCriminal]

Keep DG, trade that shit pile kyle is what should of taken place.

[SpurPadre]

Spurs are the kings at standing pat.

[TheGreatYacht]

Shows you how much respect other NBA teams have Danny G-League, which is absolutely none.

[Atl Spur]

Trade or no trade Bradley is the better player; as far as the dude speaking on playing defense.......you win. Lol. Lateral quickness, anticipation/instincts are so important but desire is a must!

[Chinook]

Shows you how much respect other NBA teams have Danny G-League, which is absolutely none.

I commend you on figuring out that nickname. I'd been wondering if you would

[Keepin' it real]

Placed my order for a Bradley jersey!

[Hoops Czar]

Placed my order for a Bradley jersey!
Trade it in for a Danny Green rental jersey for when the Spurs' only asset walks away for nothing in the offseason.

[Dre_7]

Trade it in for a Danny Green rental jersey for when the Spurs' only asset walks away for nothing in the offseason.

Better than if Bradley walked AND the Spurs lost their 1st round pick.

[Hoops Czar]

Better than if Bradley walked AND the Spurs lost their 1st round pick.

I wasn't for giving up a first round pick but I wouldn't have thought twice about a Green for Bradley swap. Younger and able to guard a premium position and seeing Lou Williams sign for less than a full MLE makes me think Bradley could have been had on the cheap.

[koriwhat]

would love AB here.

[-21-]

Thank god we kept Danny. Bradley would've been nice but not at the expense of losing Danny. I hear he's injured anyway.

[TD 21]

Obviously, Green and a 1st for Bradley was never happening. Even straight up, I don't get why Spurs would supposedly have interest. If it's the roughly 3.5 years age gap, then why were they so willing to shell out for Mills? He's not only less valuable and easier to replace, but they literally already had replacement(s) in house.

Given their situation (committed to the rest of the core, lacking financial flexibility), I don't get why they seem to want to move on from Green period.

[cd021]

Obviously, Green and a 1st for Bradley was never happening. Even straight up, I don't get why Spurs would supposedly have interest. If it's the roughly 3.5 years age gap, then why were they so willing to shell out for Mills? He's not only less valuable and easier to replace, but they literally already had replacement(s) in house.

Given their situation (committed to the rest of the core, lacking financial flexibility), I don't get why they seem to want to move on from Green period.

Think the trade talks went down like this:

Spurs: "We're interested in Bradley."
Clips : "We need a first round pick for our trouble."
Spurs: "Bradley for Mills and a first?"
Clips : "We don't want to tie up our books, how about Green because he is also an expiring?"
Spurs: "We're not interested in giving up a 1st and Green to acquire Bradley,"

*Gets reported as the Spurs are offering/ willing to give up Green and 1st for Bradley.

I have to believe that the Spurs weren't considering moving Green for Bradley- even though Bradley is 3.5 years younger, Green is better and probably isn't going to command as much in FA as Bradley would. I think PATFO have probably liked Bradley for a while and kicked the tires on acquiring him but balked when their initial offer got countered.

[tholdren]

Bradley isnt even an upgrade from forbes

Eat it

[SAGirl]

I have to believe that the Spurs weren't considering moving Green for Bradley- even though Bradley is 3.5 years younger, Green is better and probably isn't going to command as much in FA as Bradley would. I think PATFO have probably liked Bradley for a while and kicked the tires on acquiring him but balked when their initial offer got countered.
I have a similar grasp of it as you.
I think they were bargain shopping... not even expecting anyone to rock the boat, just players that are disgruntled, either projects or reclamation projects.

Hernangomez was pushing his way out of NY and they wanted to be opportunistic. Maybe he was pushing so hard for a trade, they could make it happen for Joff and a 2nd.

Stanley has been a bust considering his high pick and the fact he hasn't developed an offensive game at this stage and the longer it goes without him developing one, the more he gets devalued. He will be in his 4th season next year and at that point his value is even less on a trade... so maybe he could have been had for a project swap (or maybe even a pick, if they were so hot on him... but SVG wanting Danny + the pick was the resounding no.)

Avery I think went pretty much like you said. He has had a couple of bad seasons, and that combined with him being up for a contract and Clippers not wanting to pay him, maybe Spurs sensed an opportunity to get him for next to nothing... It didn't go that way.

[LittleCriminal]

I have a similar grasp of it as you.
I think they were bargain shopping... not even expecting anyone to rock the boat, just players that are disgruntled, either projects or reclamation projects.

Hernangomez was pushing his way out of NY and they wanted to be opportunistic. Maybe he was pushing so hard for a trade, they could make it happen for Joff and a 2nd.

Stanley has been a bust considering his high pick and the fact he hasn't developed an offensive game at this stage and the longer it goes without him developing one, the more he gets devalued. He will be in his 4th season next year and at that point his value is even less on a trade... so maybe he could have been had for a project swap (or maybe even a pick, if they were so hot on him... but SVG wanting Danny + the pick was the resounding no.)

Avery I think went pretty much like you said. He has had a couple of bad seasons, and that combined with him being up for a contract and Clippers not wanting to pay him, maybe Spurs sensed an opportunity to get him for next to nothing... It didn't go that way.

Would you say Bradley is a better basketball player than Shit Pile Kyle??

[DPG21920]

I will answer that. No.

[LittleCriminal]

I have a similar grasp of it as you.
I think they were bargain shopping... not even expecting anyone to rock the boat, just players that are disgruntled, either projects or reclamation projects.

Hernangomez was pushing his way out of NY and they wanted to be opportunistic. Maybe he was pushing so hard for a trade, they could make it happen for Joff and a 2nd.

Stanley has been a bust considering his high pick and the fact he hasn't developed an offensive game at this stage and the longer it goes without him developing one, the more he gets devalued. He will be in his 4th season next year and at that point his value is even less on a trade... so maybe he could have been had for a project swap (or maybe even a pick, if they were so hot on him... but SVG wanting Danny + the pick was the resounding no.)

Avery I think went pretty much like you said. He has had a couple of bad seasons, and that combined with him being up for a contract and Clippers not wanting to pay him, maybe Spurs sensed an opportunity to get him for next to nothing... It didn't go that way.

Armchair Gm knowing exactly what the Clipper FO wants to do contract wise....lol GTFOH!!

[LittleCriminal]

I will answer that. No.

LOL do you watch any other NBA players aside from shit pile??

[DPG21920]

LOL do you watch any other NBA players aside from shit pile??

Yes I do.

[dabom]

DPG still thinks MVPatty gonna get traded. :lmao

[DPG21920]

More hoping vs thinking.

[LittleCriminal]

Yes I do.

Doubt it if you think shit pile is better than Bradley..

[LittleCriminal]

DPG still thinks MVPatty gonna get traded. :lmao

LOL wtf.
Probably still giving shit pile kyle all star votes like SAhurl too...

[Chinook]

Lost in all this is how far Stein has fallen. Dude made a number of "reports" concerning the deadline, and I don't think a one of them ended up happening. Shame.

[pad300]

DPG still thinks MVPatty gonna get traded. :lmao

He's in a tight spot dabom. You keep saying he's only taking 11 or 12% of the cap, but he's still making too much for a bench guy who's not the 6th man. He's lost his starting spot to Dejounte... and he really is a small SG, not a PG - he needs somebody else making shots for him and playing set-up man.

A team is going to support 2 or 3 star players - most people think 3 for a real contender - at between 20 to 35% of the cap apiece. Call it 65% for those 3 guys. You then have 12 more guys. You can go over cap by roughly 20-25% before hitting lux tax. So you have 65% of cap between 12 guys. If we look at the 3 star model, for one is likely coming off the bench as "6th man" ala Manu. So you have 3 other starters, and 9 more bodies. Each of the starters will want 10% or so. 9 more bodies on the bench and 30% of cap between them. It's really hard to justify a guy taking a third of that...

[dabom]

He's in a tight spot dabom. You keep saying he's only taking 11 or 12% of the cap, but he's still making too much for a bench guy who's not the 6th man. He's lost his starting spot to Dejounte... and he really is a small SG, not a PG - he needs somebody else making shots for him and playing set-up man.

A team is going to support 2 or 3 star players - most people think 3 for a real contender - at between 20 to 35% of the cap apiece. Call it 65% for those 3 guys. You then have 12 more guys. You can go over cap by roughly 20-25% before hitting lux tax. So you have 65% of cap between 12 guys. If we look at the 3 star model, for one is likely coming off the bench as "6th man" ala Manu. So you have 3 other starters, and 9 more bodies. Each of the starters will want 10% or so. 9 more bodies on the bench and 30% of cap between them. It's really hard to justify a guy taking a third of that...

I see other players not earning their money. Patty isn't one. Go an evaluate every player by total production, per production, impact, role, health and many other things. Patty is still fucking cheap to this organization. And he has a ton of playoff experience.

He wasn't the problem last year and he certainly got paid for it. As below 6th man contract. Role player salary. So I laugh at everyone talking they know shit when they really don't. :lol

I'm one of the most right posters on here. Whether they like me or not. :lol

[DPG21920]

I see other players not earning their money. Patty isn't one. Go an evaluate every player by total production, per production, impact, role, health and many other things. Patty is still fucking cheap to this organization. And he has a ton of playoff experience.

He wasn't the problem last year and he certainly got paid for it. As below 6th man contract. Role player salary. So I laugh at everyone talking they know shit when they really don't. :lol

I'm one of the most right posters on here. Whether they like me or not. :lol

Patty Mills has sucked in virtually all advanced metrics. Not just compared to last year either.

[Chucho]

I see other players not earning their money. Patty isn't one. Go an evaluate every player by total production, per production, impact, role, health and many other things. Patty is still fucking cheap to this organization. And he has a ton of playoff experience.

He wasn't the problem last year and he certainly got paid for it. As below 6th man contract. Role player salary. So I laugh at everyone talking they know shit when they really don't. :lol

I'm one of the most right posters on here. Whether they like me or not. :lol

:lmao

[dabom]

Patty Mills has sucked in virtually all advanced metrics. Not just compared to last year either.

MVPatty is a positive player, you dumb fuck.



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[dabom]

Porker has been a negative impact, health, production and role piss poor player these past 3 fucking years. Get this guy off our fucking team. :lmao

[DPG21920]

MVPatty is a positive player, you dumb fuck.



1.1
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You obviously lack the ability to look at things contextually.

You want me to post his year over year number comparisons?

You want me to take the numbers that you call a positive and how that grades out vs league average players?

[dabom]

You obviously lack the ability to look at things contextually.

You want me to post his year over year number comparisons?

You want me to take the numbers that you call a positive and how that grades out vs league average players?

We won games without porker in the playoffs you dumb fuck and we were up on GSW until Kawhi went down. There's your context. :lmao

[DPG21920]

We won games without porker in the playoffs you dumb fuck and we were up on GSW until Kawhi went down. There's your context. :lmao

That does not make any sense and is literally irrelevant to the Mills conversation

[vy65]

Nonsensical and irrelevant is the name of the game

[dabom]

That does not make any sense and is literally irrelevant to the Mills conversation

Makes tons of sense you hypocrite fuck. :lol

[DPG21920]

Makes tons of sense you hypocrite fuck. :lol

That really does not make sense. TP has been bad and I would be fine with him being traded. Mills has been better than TP. Mills has still been a way worse than last year. Mills has still been below a league average player. He certainly did not deserve a raise.

[dabom]

I saw he earned the money. And the Spurs paid it. Not a lot of people understand how basketball works. That's not my fault. :lol

[DPG21920]

Sure. Notice how when your numbers are easily challenged and given context you shift and move?

[dabom]

Sure. Notice how when your numbers are easily challenged and given context you shift and move?

You agreed porker is trash, I decided to go easy on you. You need the space right now. :cry :cry

[LittleCriminal]

[QUOTE=dabom;9281300]I see other players not earning their money. Patty isn't one. Go an evaluate every player by total production, per production, impact, role, health and many other things. Patty is still fucking cheap to this organization. And he has a ton of playoff experience.

He wasn't the problem last year and he certainly got paid for it. As below 6th man contract. Role player salary. So I laugh at everyone talking they know shit when they really don't. :lol

I'm one of the most right posters on here. Whether they like me or not. :lol[/QUOte

[DPG21920]

You agreed porker is trash, I decided to go easy on you. You need the space right now. :cry :cry

You are silly.

[LittleCriminal]

I get what ur saying.
We can both say he's been underwhelming this year.. but when I think of Mills. I see what he's done in the playoffs
Use last year against the Rockets for example...Mills was clutch in certain aspects of that pivitol game..

Whilst shit pile kyle was riding the pine even with Leonard injured...

[dabom]

I get what ur saying.
We can both say he's been underwhelming this year.. but when I think of Mills. I see what he's done in the playoffs.

The whole team besides LMA has been underwhelming. That's what happens when your best player and whole team basically gets injuries all year.

You don't judge players under those circumstances. Kawhi and Patty is gonna be a big deal in the playoffs. Just wait and watch.

[LittleCriminal]

The whole team besides LMA has been underwhelming. That's what happens when your best player and whole team basically gets injuries all year.

You don't judge players under those circumstances. Kawhi and Patty is gonna be a big deal in the playoffs. Just wait and watch.

:bobo

[DPG21920]

Murray has not be underwhelming. Kyle has not been underwhelming. Pau and LMA have been very good. Forbes has not underwhelmed.

Quit lumping Mills decline in production year over year with everone else.

[dabom]

We were winning when Patty was starting and porker wasn't playing. :lmao

[DPG21920]

We were winning when Patty was starting and porker wasn't playing. :lmao

Again, context. Also what does that have to do with you claiming “everyone” is struggling when that is obviously not true.

[dabom]

Glad Dejounte Murray is starting. Glad to be one of the revolutionaries of these forums. :claw

[dabom]

:bobo

You're one of the better posters here. :toast

[r0drig0lac]

DM is 6’5. He could take guard the SG’s and AB take on the PGs

I think not

[Dre_7]

I wasn't for giving up a first round pick but I wouldn't have thought twice about a Green for Bradley swap. Younger and able to guard a premium position and seeing Lou Williams sign for less than a full MLE makes me think Bradley could have been had on the cheap.

I feel ya, but LAC weren't taking a straight up trade it looks like. If they were I wish it would have rather it been for Patty.

[Dex]

Again, context. Also what does that have to do with you claiming “everyone” is struggling when that is obviously not true.

Arguing with Patty's boyfriend is not going to get you anywhere.

[TD 21]

Think the trade talks went down like this:

Spurs: "We're interested in Bradley."
Clips : "We need a first round pick for our trouble."
Spurs: "Bradley for Mills and a first?"
Clips : "We don't want to tie up our books, how about Green because he is also an expiring?"
Spurs: "We're not interested in giving up a 1st and Green to acquire Bradley,"

*Gets reported as the Spurs are offering/ willing to give up Green and 1st for Bradley.

I have to believe that the Spurs weren't considering moving Green for Bradley- even though Bradley is 3.5 years younger, Green is better and probably isn't going to command as much in FA as Bradley would. I think PATFO have probably liked Bradley for a while and kicked the tires on acquiring him but balked when their initial offer got countered.

:tu

Think Spurs trepidation with Green is, in this market, he's probably not worth Mills money, but if they don't initially offer that or don't altogether, it'll be difficult to for him to reconcile a similarly aged, less valuable and more easily replaceable player getting that a year earlier; particularly considering the solid he did them in '15.

[Chinook]

Also where are people getting this idea that Bradley is some exceptional PG defender from?

[KDKSpurs24]

Also where are people getting this idea that Bradley is some exceptional PG defender from?
People have posted several videos but I guess you didn’t bother to look at them so you wouldn’t be wrong. He’s very capable and I’d know he would have turned it up even more if he was on a contender. He would have been very motivated.

[Chinook]

People have posted several videos but I guess you didn’t bother to look at them so you wouldn’t be wrong. He’s very capable and I’d know he would have turned it up even more if he was on a contender. He would have been very motivated.

Everyone looks great in highlights.

EDIT: Like this one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCPJZK2iFu8

It implies he was a good defender last year when he was terrible to the point that Boston paid a second to dump him.

[Chinook]

More importantly, the highlights don't show that is Bradley is primarily a PG defender.

[coachmac87]

Everyone looks great in highlights.

EDIT: Like this one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCPJZK2iFu8

It implies he was a good defender last year when he was terrible to the point that Boston paid a second to dump him.


Boston had their eyes on the bigger prize...

Stop hating on Bradley so much lol. He ain’t coming here so exhale

[spurraider21]

More importantly, the highlights don't show that is Bradley is primarily a PG defender.
thats why his value plummeted when teams figured out he cant really play PG and just became a small 2

[KDKSpurs24]

Everyone looks great in highlights.

EDIT: Like this one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCPJZK2iFu8

It implies he was a good defender last year when he was terrible to the point that Boston paid a second to dump him.
No. The earlier videos someone posted was from this year in Detroit of him chasing Curry around like a madman. He is very capable of not allowing a PG to get a shot off. And no it wasn’t because he was terrible. It’s just because he wasn’t in their future and they probably didn’t feel like he fit because they were already bringing in Hayward and they had Brown and Tatum who have very high potential. And Smart was cheaper so he was the better option to keep. Obviously.

[Chinook]

No. The earlier videos someone posted was from this year in Detroit of him chasing Curry around like a madman.

:lol Hounded Curry by allowing 27 points on 11-17 shooting


He is very capable of not allowing a PG to get a shot off.

In a given possession, yes. On the aggregate no. Hence my comment about highlights. There are vids making Klay Thompson seem like an All-World defender.


And no it wasn’t because he was terrible. It’s just because he wasn’t in their future and they probably didn’t feel like he fit because they were already bringing in Hayward and they had Brown and Tatum who have very high potential. And Smart was cheaper so he was the better option to keep. Obviously.

It was because Smart is a better defender and the team preferred to not get worse by dumping him to keep Bradley. Remember that Smart isn't in the Celtics' long-term plans either. They turned out to have made the correct decision, because they are the top defense in the league this year. I do love how you list Brown and Tatum as reasons Bradley was dumped when they took back Morris, who plays the same position as Tatum and Hayward. They made an even worse longjam by paying to dump Bradley, and if Gordon hadn't gotten hurt, who knows if Morris would have even been in the rotation by this point?

[KDKSpurs24]

It was because Smart is a better defender and the team preferred to not get worse by dumping him to keep Bradley. Remember that Smart isn't in the Celtics' long-term plans either. They turned out to have made the correct decision, because they are the top defense in the league this year. I do love how you list Brown and Tatum as reasons Bradley was dumped when they took back Morris, who plays the same position as Tatum and Hayward. They made an even worse longjam by paying to dump Bradley, and if Gordon hadn't gotten hurt, who knows if Morris would have even been in the rotation by this point?
Yeah because at the time they had to make the contracts work and that move made it possible. Plus he has 2 more years of $5mil only when Bradley was more plus had to be paid after this year. Gordon Hayward plays the 2 and 3. Morris plays the 3-4 and of course you’d want to add more size rather than keeping the 6’2 guy.

And it doesn’t matter. Curry scored most of those early but when he locked in in crunch time Steph didn’t get comfortable and Pistons won. That’s all that matters is the W. If you don’t think Spurs could have utilized his defensive talent in a great defensive system already then you have no confidence in Pop. At the end of the day I’d rather him than Patty.

[Hoops Czar]

Also where are people getting this idea that Bradley is some exceptional PG defender from?

Advanced defensive stats have flaws, as do all statistics without proper context. It's difficult to isolate the contributions of a single player from his four teammates on the court, like perhaps playing alongside a terrible defender in IT3 (?) and there are plenty of things that do not show up in the box score, so you should not take defensive sabermetrics as the holy grail.

Also, Bradley's on ball defense is top notch and frustrating for opponents but he doesn't really contribute many steals and blocks for a top tier wing defender and as a result, won't measure particularly high in DRPM. Whereas, Danny will get a few blocks and steals, miss his defensive assignment 10 times in a row, foul a 3pt shooter in the act and get told to STFU by his head coach and will still be made to look like a world class defender. The world we live in. :lol

Wait, you're the one who said Bruce Bowen's defense was overrated as hell. It's starting to make sense now. :lol

[Hoops Czar]

In a given possession, yes. On the aggregate no. Hence my comment about highlights. There are vids making Klay Thompson seem like an All-World defender.


You could literally apply this to any player that's ever played basketball. What a generic response. I could show you a video of Alexey Shved (out of the league) lighting up Kawhi Leonard. That doesn't make Leonard a bad defender.

[KDKSpurs24]

You could literally apply this to any player that's ever played basketball. What a generic response. I could show you a video of Alexey Shaved (out of the league) lighting up Kawhi Leonard. That doesn't make Leonard a bad defender.

[Chinook]

Advanced defensive stats have flaws, as do all statistics without proper context. It's difficult to isolate the contributions of a single player from his four teammates on the court, like perhaps playing alongside a terrible defender in IT3 (?) and there are plenty of things that do not show up in the box score, so you should not take defensive sabermetrics as the holy grail.

Also, Bradley's on ball defense is top notch and frustrating for opponents but he doesn't really contribute many steals and blocks for a top tier wing defender and as a result, won't measure particularly high in DRPM. Whereas, Danny will get a few blocks and steals, miss his defensive assignment 10 times in a row, foul a 3pt shooter in the act and get told to STFU by his head coach and will still be made to look like a world class defender. The world we live in. :lol

Wait, you're the one who said Bruce Bowen's defense was overrated as hell. It's starting to make sense now. :lol

There's only so many ways you can excuse a career of being a net-negative player. Eventually, it doesn't matter what the "eye-test" says if your team keeps getting outscored with a player on the court for a decade.

RAPM actually had Bowen as a good defender, so that tanks your entire argument. And Bruce's D was totally overrated as it compares to Green and Leonard. It's also overrated when people try to say he shut down Nash and Dirk, who scored at their average rates and efficiencies against him. Bruce had a number of great defensive outings for sure, but he wasn't superlative compared to modern defenders.

[Chinook]

You could literally apply this to any player that's ever played basketball. What a generic response. I could show you a video of Alexey Shved (out of the league) lighting up Kawhi Leonard. That doesn't make Leonard a bad defender.

This is a shitty counter when that was exactly my point. You can make any defender look great by showing his highlights. Bradley has ultimately not shown to be effective over his carer. Showing him stealing the ball or getting blocks doesn't change that.

[Chinook]

Yeah because at the time they had to make the contracts work and that move made it possible. Plus he has 2 more years of $5mil only when Bradley was more plus had to be paid after this year. Gordon Hayward plays the 2 and 3. Morris plays the 3-4 and of course you’d want to add more size rather than keeping the 6’2 guy.

Hayward isn't a two. Even if he were, Stevens is the kind of guy who plays three PGs over playing two SFs and two bigs. I don't know exactly what you mean by that last sentence, but if you think that Morris is legit better than Bradley, then I can't even see why you're arguing. Avery is 6-2 no matter where he goes. His lack of value wasn't unique to Boston.


And it doesn’t matter. Curry scored most of those early but when he locked in in crunch time Steph didn’t get comfortable and Pistons won. That’s all that matters is the W. If you don’t think Spurs could have utilized his defensive talent in a great defensive system already then you have no confidence in Pop. At the end of the day I’d rather him than Patty.

The whole game matters, not just crunch time or whatever. It was just a stretch where Curry shot poorly. Golden State still scored 19 points in those seven minutes, which is a pace for 130 points in a full game. It's just weird to act like that was the pivotal stretch when the game was already in double-digits by the time Steph came in.

And I'd've been fine trading Patty for Bradley. But it would have been mostly because of the contract. Sure, if Bradley had been in the rotation, I would have wanted him to do well. But I wouldn't want the team to re-sign him or anything crazy like that.

[HarlemHeat37]

Isolation defenders have far less impact in today's NBA compared to top team defenders, which is proven in virtually all on/off numbers..if the sample size is large enough to include different teams, coaches, teammates and schemes, yet your team is always better on defense when you're on the bench, what else can you say?

[Hoops Czar]

There's only so many ways you can excuse a career of being a net-negative player. Eventually, it doesn't matter what the "eye-test" says if your team keeps getting outscored with a player on the court for a decade.



Danny green is a net negative player this year (-1.2); Danny was a net negative player in last year's playoffs (-13.4). Do you need me to paint you a picture or can you summon your Ivy league degree and draw your own conclusions? :claw and before that, Tim Duncan. There's only so many ways you can excuse a career of being a net-negative player without being paired with two ultra elite defenders who can erase all your mistakes. Serious question.. Should Danny Green be obligated to give have of his all defensive team honors/awards to Leonard and Duncan?

Avery Bradley won all defensive first team honors in 2016 and second team honors in 2013. So much for a career net negative player.


RAPM actually had Bowen as a good defender, so that tanks your entire argument.

No Chinnok, my argument was you calling Bruce Bowen's defense overrated.


And Bruce's D was totally overrated as it compares to Green and Leonard. It's also overrated when people try to say he shut down Nash and Dirk, who scored at their average rates and efficiencies against him. Bruce had a number of great defensive outings for sure, but he wasn't superlative compared to modern defenders.

Confirmed!

Also, don't act like you didn't say Bowen wouldn't have made it in today's NBA.

[SAGirl]

Isolation defenders have far less impact in today's NBA compared to top team defenders, which is proven in virtually all on/off numbers..if the sample size is large enough to include different teams, coaches, teammates and schemes, yet your team is always better on defense when you're on the bench, what else can you say?
Which is why Kyle rates so well. Individually he may get burned but on team defense he's very smart, helps when he has to, plays passing lanes with the long arms he has, plays angles, and knocks balls loose, deflects balls etc + rebounds... He has worked hard on individual defense but team D is where he's best.

[Spurs da champs]

Only issue with Bradley is that his height, given Rudy & Kawhis injury problems, Danny needed to stay, him and Anderson are only wing defenders on team ATM.

[Chinook]

Danny green is a net negative player this year (-1.2); Danny was a net negative player in last year's playoffs (-13.4). Do you need me to paint you a picture or can you summon your Ivy league degree and draw your own conclusions? :claw and before that, Tim Duncan. There's only so many ways you can excuse a career of being a net-negative player without being paired with two ultra elite defenders who can erase all your mistakes. Serious question.. Should Danny Green be obligated to give have of his all defensive team honors/awards to Leonard and Duncan?

So much ass-hurt starting radiate off you. Green's having a fine defensive year statistically. Don't confuse relatively inept offensive numbers for poor defense. He's in the top 20 for all guards, wings and combo-forwards in pretty much every defensive category. Bradley, not so much. Now if you want to say he wasn't all that great last year, I could understand. It was a career achievement award more than anything else. He still graded out well.'


No Chinnok, my argument was you calling Bruce Bowen's defense overrated.

No, your argument was that Bowen didn't grade out well statistically and that as a result you can't just use stats to grade defenders. That was put to bed by Bowen actually having good defensive stats. Then you edited your post to toss in a shitty ad homenim about my hating Bowen. That isn't an argument as much as it's a fallacious distraction.


Also, don't act like you didn't say Bowen wouldn't have made it in today's NBA.

You keep going down this rabbit hole. I doubt I said exactly that without more context, but he definitely would have had to be a different player than he was. The best he could hope for his to be Andre Roberson. Three-and-D players have to do more than just sit in the corner now, and the trend away from physical play on the perimeter makes playing Bowen-style defense problematic.

[Atl Spur]

:lol Hounded Curry by allowing 27 points on 11-17 shooting



In a given possession, yes. On the aggregate no. Hence my comment about highlights. There are vids making Klay Thompson seem like an All-World defender.



It was because Smart is a better defender and the team preferred to not get worse by dumping him to keep Bradley. Remember that Smart isn't in the Celtics' long-term plans either. They turned out to have made the correct decision, because they are the top defense in the league this year. I do love how you list Brown and Tatum as reasons Bradley was dumped when they took back Morris, who plays the same position as Tatum and Hayward. They made an even worse longjam by paying to dump Bradley, and if Gordon hadn't gotten hurt, who knows if Morris would have even been in the rotation by this point?

I respect most of your points normally but you are dead wrong if you think Danny is better than Bradley!

[dabom]

I respect most of your points normally but you are dead wrong if you think Danny is better than Bradley!

Danny is better you dumb fuck. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Which is why Kyle rates so well. Individually he may get burned but on team defense he's very smart, helps when he has to, plays passing lanes with the long arms he has, plays angles, and knocks balls loose, deflects balls etc + rebounds... He has worked hard on individual defense but team D is where he's best.

JFC are you his mother or just his stalker?

[dabom]

JFC are you his mother or just his stalker?

:lol

[Atl Spur]

Danny is better you dumb fuck. :lol

Cute....... you’re low hanging fruit.

[weeks]

JFC are you his mother or just his stalker?
"mother"

anyone who puts "girl" in their username is suspect; no exceptions

[tholdren]

Danny green is a net negative player this year (-1.2); Danny was a net negative player in last year's playoffs (-13.4). Do you need me to paint you a picture or can you summon your Ivy league degree and draw your own conclusions? :claw and before that, Tim Duncan. There's only so many ways you can excuse a career of being a net-negative player without being paired with two ultra elite defenders who can erase all your mistakes. Serious question.. Should Danny Green be obligated to give have of his all defensive team honors/awards to Leonard and Duncan?

Avery Bradley won all defensive first team honors in 2016 and second team honors in 2013. So much for a career net negative player.



No Chinnok, my argument was you calling Bruce Bowen's defense overrated.



Confirmed!

Also, don't act like you didn't say Bowen wouldn't have made it in today's NBA.

You use net rating
you is stupid

[SAGirl]

Only issue with Bradley is that his height, given Rudy & Kawhis injury problems, Danny needed to stay, him and Anderson are only wing defenders on team ATM.
I don't think Spurs put Danny in play. That was probably the Clippers. It had to be Mills. And I understand why the Clippers would decline that trade too.

[SAGirl]

JFC are you his mother or just his stalker?
:lol
Just have to counter all the hating... I still always come up short.:rolleyes

[SAGirl]

"mother"

anyone who puts "girl" in their username is suspect; no exceptions
Heh. I dOn't have kids to begin with.
I am fine with anyone who suspects everything. :lol

[Hoops Czar]

So much ass-hurt starting radiate off you. Green's having a fine defensive year statistically. Don't confuse relatively inept offensive numbers for poor defense. He's in the top 20 for all guards, wings and combo-forwards in pretty much every defensive category. Bradley, not so much. Now if you want to say he wasn't all that great last year, I could understand. It was a career achievement award more than anything else. He still graded out well.'

Exactly...


Danny will get a few blocks and steals, miss his defensive assignment 10 times in a row, foul a 3pt shooter in the act, get benched for Bryn Forbes and get told to STFU by his head coach and will still be made to look like a world class defender statistically speaking

David West (tops all PFs), Kyle Anderson, Dejounte Murray and Lonzo ball are elite defenders statistically. Let's just ignore how unplayable West was at times for the Spurs (defensively) and we should throw out the window that anyone who actually watches Spurs games can see firsthand how many times Murray misses his defensive rotations/assignments or molests his opponent into submission because Boxscore sniffing is more fun and it holds up to scrutiny over time.

I think what you said about Avery Bradley's defense actually sums up Danny Green in a nutshell....


In a given possession, yes. On the aggregate no.




No, your argument was that Bowen didn't grade out well statistically and that as a result you can't just use stats to grade defenders. That was put to bed by Bowen actually having good defensive stats. Then you edited your post to toss in a shitty ad homenim about my hating Bowen. That isn't an argument as much as it's a fallacious distraction.


No, it wasn't an argument, it was a statement made by you several times in various threads calling Bowen overrated. Don't make it more than it is. I can't remember the exact thread but some comments you made resonate more than others. At one point, you said something to the affect Bowen would be a borderline liability in today's NBA. Is Tony Allen a liability in today's NBA (last 4-5 years)? You said Bruce wouldn't even be a plus defender against good opponents, a poor man's Tony Allen. Are you saying defensive specialist are outdated? Bruce didn't have Green's athleticism, but he was as aggressive, tenacious and an "in your face" as a defender you'll ever find. In Green's case, just a simple pump fake takes him out of the equation.

Bowen may not have stopped Kobe, Nash or Dirk from getting their number but in many cases, he made them do it on a lot more shots making them far less efficient than against most other defenders. And for crying out loud, Dirk is one of the greatest international shooters in NBA history and had 5 inches on Bruce. Dirk could just shoot over the top of him but he still managed to get a hand in Dirk's grill just about every time. Just because a player makes the shot doesn't mean poor defense was the culprit.

[Biggems]

Avery Bradley, a former Horn, Hook 'em......I like the player, but no way in hell do I choose him over Danny. Danny is a freak on D and can cover 3, maybe 4 positions. Also Danny knows the system, is humbled by Pop already, and is cool with playing for less than his market value. I am happy the trade never happened.

[Chinook]

Exactly...

You keep getting yourself twisted up. Green had a fine year last time statistically, so the argument you tried to make that I should think Green is bad because of his stats was wrong. It was a shitty argument for a lot of other reasons, but it being based on bad info is a good enough one.


I think what you said about Avery Bradley's defense actually sums up Danny Green in a nutshell....

You literally mean the opposite. On the aggregate, Danny's a great defender. His detractors point to individual possessions to make a case but ignore the rest of the possessions where he plays well. The exact opposite was true for Bradley, but people are growing wiser and aren't as inclined to let heuristics guide their thinking as much as they used to.

You are what your numbers say you are, eventually. As Harlem pointed out, Bradley has a gigantic and diverse sample size at this point. There's no logical argument that would explain why his teams are better defensively without him except that he's not that good. The eye-test means nothing if the guy scores anyway, or if the team as a whole suffers from how you're defending. It's like saying someone can't shoot because of their shooting motion even though they take a lot of shots and hit them at a high rate.


No, it wasn't an argument, it was a statement made by you several times in various threads calling Bowen overrated.

Really twisted. To simplify it for you: You made an argument about Bowen's stats being bad, which calls into question how useful stats can be when judging defenders. That argument was wrong, because Bowen grades out pretty well statistically. Then, to cover your own ass, you edited your post (and were kind enough to make it with an "EDIT" just so there wasn't any ambiguity) to specifically try to discredit my rebuttal to your argument on the basis of me being down on Bowen. That is an ad homenim and is fallacious. I could think Bowen were Jesus himself and still know that your original argument was based on bad info. That I think he's overrated has nothing to do with whether stats can tell a reliable story. It's just a shitty diversionary tactic.

Insofar as your desire to debate Bowen has infected this thread, Bruce played a style that isn't necessary to be effective on that end. Neither Green nor Kawhi defend by getting chippy with their men. They don't have to push and shove to get guys off spots. They only use their hands when they intend to get a deflection or obscure the view of their men. Most of the great perimeter defenders avoid the type of contact Bowen did because stars are much smarter at using physicality to their advantage. Rather, the refs are more likely to call those fouls, and the stars know to use them. That SA is a great defensive team despite pretty much never pissing their opponents off demonstrates that the aesthetically pleasing defense played by Bowen and in some cases by Bradley isn't all that effective anymore. It's completely dependent on the ref swallowing the whistle, and it gives the opposing team something to grasp onto psychologically.

[SAGirl]

Hops zar with the big time troll tbh

[TD 21]

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/02/12/morning-tip-mailbag-feb-12-2018?collection=writer/archive/david-aldridge#/

(I’m told the Avery Bradley-Danny Green talk before the deadline was overblown, but can’t help but think we haven’t heard the last of AB to SA. He seems a natural for the Spurs’ system at both ends, and one wonders what his value on the open market will really be in July at the easiest position to fill/replace on a team.)

[SAGirl]

hmm interesting.. a potential summer acquisition. The cap vexes me though. I don't expect them to have room, unless Rudy opts out and doesn't want to come back.

[Chinook]

They probably have interest as a replacement for Green. The most they're going to be able to give Avery is the MLE, so they'll likely get a cheaper starting two if they do it that way.

[rjv]

They probably have interest as a replacement for Green. The most they're going to be able to give Avery is the MLE, so they'll likely get a cheaper starting two if they do it that way.

letting green go to make room for a max offer to kawhi?

[TD 21]

hmm interesting.. a potential summer acquisition. The cap vexes me though. I don't expect them to have room, unless Rudy opts out and doesn't want to come back.

With a dearth of cap space, most of them being re-building teams, his desire to play for a winner and their lack of flexibility and inability to acquire a markedly better talent (short of a Walker trade), think he opts out and signs a 2 year contract for the MLE again, this time without a player option. That would give him a slight bump in pay and an extra year of security.

The only thing I could see preventing this, would be if they offer Leonard the super max and he either declines or requests a trade and is traded to Celtics for Brown, Tatum, 1st. The latter would basically replace him and they'd probably just go younger at that point.

[Chinook]

letting green go to make room for a max offer to kawhi?

I doubt it, but maybe. I think if Green leaves it won't just be the Spurs pushing him out the door. He may not have taken two years of trade rumors well right after he gave up money to stay.

[MaNu4Tres]

Hopefully Spurs can shed Mills this summer.

Sixers could be a potential trading partner if they move on from Reddick and if they whiff in Free Agency. They'll have plenty of money and Patty would fill a need in the lockroom and on the floor.

I imagine Gasol could be pretty easy to move if they can get a FA to commit -- possibly even the Lakers taking him on for a year if they want to preserve their space for summer of 2019.

Spurs could open up 24 million in cap space if they get rid of those two. They could agree in principle to the new deals to Green, Anderson, Bertans ( using their bird rights) and wait til they utilize the 24 mil in space on other UFA(s) before re-signing Green, Anderson, Bertans.

[TD 21]

^ Nets for Lin and 76ers for Bayless (both only have 1 year remaining), are more than likely the best bets/hope.

Notable free agents: Dedmon, Monroe, James, Noel, Barton, Ariza, Paul, Bradley, Jordan, Caldwell-Pope, Lopez, Randle, Thomas, Evans, Cousins, George, Johnson, Redick, Davis, Favors.

James, Paul, George, are obviously not happening and outside of Bradley, they probably won't have interest in anyone else.

[MaNu4Tres]

^ Nets for Lin and 76ers for Bayless (both only have 1 year remaining), are more than likely the best bets/hope.

Notable free agents: Dedmon, Monroe, James, Noel, Barton, Ariza, Paul, Bradley, Jordan, Caldwell-Pope, Lopez, Randle, Thomas, Evans, Cousins, George, Johnson, Redick, Davis, Favors.

James, Paul, George, are obviously not happening and outside of Bradley, they probably won't have interest in anyone else.

I'd love for Spurs to be able dump Pau and Patty. Keep Green, Kyle cap holds ( Bertans is no brainer, so is Forbes).

If Spurs can't sign Bron or PG, sign Bradley to 3/30 deal, sign Randle to 3 yr/30-40 mil deal, and Baynes on team friendly 1+1 deal. Then use bird rights and sign Green to 2+1 deal at 10-12 mil per), Kyle 3-4 yr deal/24-35 mil, Bertans (2+1/ 4-6 mil per) and Forbes (should be very cheap), re-sign Tony to vet minimum and a big to vet minimum.

Underrated wings I'd like to target on 1+1 deals if whiff on Bradley: Glenn Robinson III, James Ennis, Wayne Ellington or see what we have in Blossomgame, and the Spurs' 1st round pick this summer ( haven't dove into prospects yet).

Murray - Green - Kawhi - Bertans/Kyle - LA
Bradley - White - Kyle - Randle - Baynes
1st round pick, Forbes, TP minimum deal, vet min big

[TD 21]

I'd love for Spurs to be able dump Pau and Patty. Keep Green, Kyle cap holds ( Bertans is no brainer, so is Forbes).

If Spurs can't sign Bron or PG, sign Bradley to 3/30 deal, sign Randle to 3 yr/30-40 mil deal, and Baynes on team friendly 1+1 deal. Then use bird rights and sign Green to 2+1 deal at 10-12 mil per), Kyle 3-4 yr deal/24-35 mil, Bertans (2+1/ 4-6 mil per) and Forbes (should be very cheap), re-sign Tony to vet minimum and a big to vet minimum.

Underrated wings I'd like to target on 1+1 deals if whiff on Bradley: Glenn Robinson III, James Ennis, Wayne Ellington or see what we have in Blossomgame, and the Spurs' 1st round pick this summer ( haven't dove into prospects yet).

Murray - Green - Kawhi - Bertans/Kyle - LA
Bradley - White - Kyle - Randle - Baynes
1st round pick, Forbes, TP minimum deal, vet min big

Gasol being traded and Parker signing for veteran's minimum and being relegated to deep bench are pipe dreams.


I know the landscape has changed and Green will be 2 years older than Mills was last offseason, but if the latter is retained, short of not being able to get that elsewhere, I don't know how the former accepts less average annual value.


Beyond that, it's difficult to predict what salaries will look like (already know I overshot on most a few months ago). Unless I'm missing something, I don't see a realistic path to Spurs being able to offer more than the MLE to Bradley and he'll definitely exceed that.

Those "underrated wings" all probably end up signing for lesser exceptions and with a bloated payroll and rotation that's likely virtually set, it won't be here.