For the sake of winning 50 games, start Parker

[SASdynasty!]

Ok we had our fun experiment with Parker coming off the bench, but let’s get back to playing serious basketball. If we land Kyrie or someone, maybe then you can bench Parker, but seriously...let’s not screw around and miss the playoffs.

[DAF86]

Parker is closer to losing his spot on the rotation than getting back to being a starter, tbh.

[dabom]

Parker is closer to losing his spot on the rotation than getting back to being a starter, tbh.

:lol

[Fireball]

just send Patty to Austin ... an put White into the rotation instead

[eric365]

The streak ends the year the big 3 is completly out of the starting lineup

[TimDunkem]

The streak ends the year the big 3 is completly out of the starting lineup

This is what happens when you fail to develop even halfway adequate talent to replace them.

[MannyIsGod]

This is what happens when you fail to develop even halfway adequate talent to replace them.

While I guess this is technically true, there's been no better team at developing talent. It just turns out you can't just replace 3 HOF players without good draft picks. You're not just going to find a Manu in the 2nd round anymore.

[hater]

Why do we need 50 wins

Last time I checked there is no trophy for 50 win losers

This sperm team is good enough for a punch in the face of Aussie Shitburger

[TimDunkem]

While I guess this is technically true, there's been no better team at developing talent. It just turns out you can't just replace 3 HOF players without good draft picks. You're not just going to find a Manu in the 2nd round anymore.

Hence the phrase "halfway adequate". Not finding HoF players is one thing, but backing them up with glorified D-Leaguers is another.

[MannyIsGod]

Hence the phrase "halfway adequate". Not finding HoF players is one thing, but backing them up with glorified D-Leaguers is another.

Not really. Show me a team who has done a better job replacing 3 hall of fame players without going into the draft.

[KDKSpurs24]

Fuck 50 wins at this point. It doesn’t win you anything. It’s already a record. Let’s just make the playoffs. Hopefully get healthy and start playing good basketball near the end of the season.

This is far from possible.. but here’s a better storyline. “First time in 20 years they didn’t win 50 games BUT they won the championship!”. Much better than “Spurs managed to pull off 50 wins despite injuries. Kept streak going, but bounced in first round”.

[SAGirl]

just send Patty to Austin ... an put White into the rotation instead
:tu

[SAGirl]

This is what happens when you fail to develop even halfway adequate talent to replace them.
You don’t count Kawhi as halfway decent?

Hes a china doll that apparently got chipped and broke to pieces... but no one would say he’s not halfway decent. Too bad the Wolverine and Grandpa Juice heal quicker tbh

[TimDunkem]

You don’t count Kawhi as halfway decent?

Hes a china doll that apparently got chipped and broke to pieces... but no one would say he’s not halfway decent. Too bad the Wolverine and Grandpa Juice hwal quicker tbh

Kawhi was supposed to replace Bowen. Mission accomplished there. Still waiting for replacements for everyone else.

It's 2018 and all we have in the pipeline is Murray.

[spurraider21]

Kawhi was supposed to replace Bowen. Mission accomplished there. Still waiting for replacements for everyone else.

It's 2018 and all we have in the pipeline is Murray.
he has more than replaced bowen, though. if anything Green has replaced bowen

[8FOR!3]

This is what happens when you fail to develop even halfway adequate talent to replace them.

We developed the #15 pick into a transcending talent, he just happens to be hurt. But granted there are other stars out with season ending injuries. It's difficult to sustain a winning team for 20 years and still not fall apart when guys start to get older.

[SAGirl]

Kawhi was supposed to replace Bowen. Mission accomplished there. Still waiting for replacements for everyone else.

It's 2018 and all we have in the pipeline is Murray.
Nah. He was meant to replace Bowen at 20 years old. He showed talent to be much more than that and developed to be much more. The Bowen replacement turned out to be Danny who with all his faulty is probably a better shooter than Bowen was, since he doesn’t just shoot from corners a la Bowen. You don’t have to minimize everything they have done to criticize what they have done lately.

[TimDunkem]

Nah. He was meant to replace Bowen at 20 years old. He showed talent to be much more than that and developed to be much more. The Bowen replacement turned out to be Danny who with all his faulty is probably a better shooter than Bowen was, since he doesn’t just shoot from corners a la Bowen. You don’t have to minimize everything they have done to criticize what they have done lately.

The Spurs future is tied up to one guy who is hurt and may or may not even be a Spur in a few years. Relying on has beens has left them in a bad spot. What they have done (and not done) lately is the problem.

[Darius Bieber]

Unfortunately this wouldn't help much. We still have too much trash dead weight on the team.

[spurraider21]

The Spurs future is tied up to one guy who is hurt and may or may not even be a Spur in a few years. Relying on has beens has left them in a bad spot. What they have done (and not done) lately is the problem.
end of the day, every team in the league except boston/warriors has their future tied up to one guy. boston cause they have no one superstar and gsw because they have 2 top 5 players

[AaronY]

While I guess this is technically true, there's been no better team at developing talent. It just turns out you can't just replace 3 HOF players without good draft picks. You're not just going to find a Manu in the 2nd round anymore.
Pretty hilarious that the team has zero talent but its in the third seed and yet Pop still sucks as a coach according to ST. All things being true at the same time

[spurraider21]

Pretty hilarious that the team has zero talent but its in the third seed and yet Pop still sucks as a coach according to ST. All things being true at the same time
with their MVP candidate having missed basically the whole season

[Brunodf]

Agreed, even though Parker seems to have a lost a step he's still much better than what the Spurs have starting now.

[SAGirl]

Getting back on the subject of the OP though... if Kiwi doesn’t come back it doesn’t matter what you do. Dijon is playing very well considering he’s a roleplayer at this point. He’s very young and developing and the path back to contention starts with developing a new generation. Tony is a roleplayer right now and he wasn’t playing that well as a starter thus his demotion. You got to see what you have in Dijon.

[Brunodf]

Pretty hilarious that the team has zero talent but its in the third seed and yet Pop still sucks as a coach according to ST. All things being true at the same time
Literally the Easiest schedule before this week games+ LMA/ the old guys did step up a lot...

You can't rely on them to bail out the D-leaguers that Pop is giving minutes to forever ( as we're starting to see).

[spurraider21]

i dont get why people are so intent on beating the dead horse that the spurs without their mvp candidate are not championship contenders

there really isn't much PATFO could have done to change that fact

[Hoops Czar]

This is what happens when you fail to develop even halfway adequate talent to replace them.
Talent can be developed. Scrubs are just scrubs and this roster is chalk full of them. Pop is under the impression that the system is more important than talent and athleticism, that you can win games with anyone as long as you play structured basketball and everyone buys into their role. But in this league, you actually do need talent to win and the Spurs have very little of it. The lack of talent coupled with a below average x's and o's head coach and you can see why this team stumbles, fumbles and bumbles to losses on a nightly basis.

[Hoops Czar]

i dont get why people are so intent on beating the dead horse that the spurs without their mvp candidate are not championship contenders

there really isn't much PATFO could have done to change that fact

Having Simmons and Dedmon over BP3 and Laughverne while not overpaying a scrub shooting guard and a 37 year old would have been a good start.

[AaronY]

with their MVP candidate having missed basically the whole season
Worst suppporting cast of all time. I mean even an average supporting cast would have the #1 seed without its best player

[spurraider21]

Having Simmons and Dedmon over BP3 and Laughverne while not overpaying a scrub shooting guard and a 37 year old would have been a good start.
agreed, particularly with dedmon. but we'd still be nowhere near competing and would still be a mid-tier team with kawhi out

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs are 12-12 in the games Murray has started

Spurs are 15-6 in the games Parker has started

I know it angers Mexican player fans like FAP86, but numbers don't lie. Team goes as far as MVParker takes them. I mean shit, even with him losing minutes to mandatory rotation player Flabby Mills, he STILL leads the team in APG :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

12-13 when Murray starts.

Time to admit Parker is still the best guard on the team at Age 35

[ECOV]

Fuck 50 wins at this point. It doesn’t win you anything. It’s already a record. Let’s just make the playoffs. Hopefully get healthy and start playing good basketball near the end of the season.

This is far from possible.. but here’s a better storyline. “First time in 20 years they didn’t win 50 games BUT they won the championship!”. Much better than “Spurs managed to pull off 50 wins despite injuries. Kept streak going, but bounced in first round”.:lobt2:

[Hoops Czar]

Third in the west bitches! Thanks Houston.

[TheGreatYacht]

Parker is closer to losing his spot on the rotation than getting back to being a starter, tbh.
The gift that keeps on giving :lmao

"Start Bertans"
"BP3 > Simmons"
"Aldridge ball is loser ball"
and now this hit.....

[ElNono]

Now that Manu is down, if the Spurs decide to tank, it makes a lot of sense, tbh...

[TheGreatYacht]

Now that Manu is down, if the Spurs decide to tank, it makes a lot of sense, tbh...
Spurs have a better record without Manu than with over the last 3 seasons, tbh. His injury is a blessing

[ElNono]

Spurs have a better record without Manu than with over the last 3 seasons, tbh. His injury is a blessing

nope... heck, this season we're 28-16 when he plays, 7-8 when he doesn't.

[spurraider21]

nope... heck, this season we're 28-16 when he plays, 7-8 when he doesn't.
MVPelon

[$pursDynasty]

Dijon can keep starting, just move Patty behind White in the rotation and hand him his towel.

[ElNono]

MVPelon

Sad this team still relies heavily on him to win, tbh...

[TheGreatYacht]

Sad this team still relies heavily on him to win, tbh...
Who told you this son? Parker showing how easy it is to dominate bench scrubs. Shame he never got the privilege to do it like some bums...

[ElNono]

Who told you this son? Parker showing how easy it is to dominate bench scrubs. Shame he never got the privilege to do it like some bums...

son, I just posted our records with/without him... ample sample size too, we're 3/4 through the season.

I'm not hating on Tony, tbh... we're 20-11 when he plays, 15-13 when he doesn't...

[Chinook]

I do wish Pop hadn't flailed and made that move. Patty/DeJounte/Manu is at least a competently sized perimeter. You gotta keep going with Murray now because of upside, but without a trade (which it seems obvious the team tried to make during the deadline with both Bradley and Beli), I don't see any way you work out the guard rotation into a palatable playoff form.

[ElNono]

I do wish Pop hadn't flailed and made that move. Patty/DeJounte/Manu is at least a competently sized perimeter. You gotta keep going with Murray now because of upside, but without a trade (which it seems obvious the team tried to make during the deadline with both Bradley and Beli), I don't see any way you work out the guard rotation into a palatable playoff form.

playoffs? :lmao

[ElNono]

I'm kidding... I do think we'll still make the playoffs, unless Pop is in on the full blown tank

[duncan2k5]

No way... Parker is done... We were losing games WITH him starting... And let's not forget...our roster with LMA out is worse than every other in the league... What do u expect? To beat the warriors? Come on now...

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs are 12-13 in the games Murray has started

Spurs are 15-6 in the games Parker has started

I know it angers Mexican player fans like FAP86, but numbers don't lie. Team goes as far as MVParker takes them. I mean shit, even with him losing minutes to mandatory rotation player Flabby Mills, he STILL leads the team in APG :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

No way... Parker is done... We were losing games WITH him starting... And let's not forget...our roster with LMA out is worse than every other in the league... What do u expect? To beat the warriors? Come on now...
I expect us to beat the 10th seed Jazz without Rubio or the Nuggets.

He's done but keeps outplaying every guard in the rotation :lol ok

[Mikeanaro]

Let Porker alone, this season is done PATFUCK did a terrible job and now its too late.

[Slippy]

Atleast give tonu more mins & allow him to finish. If pops tanking then it doesnt matter.

[Brazil]

Let Porker alone, this season is done PATFUCK did a terrible job and now its too late.

:lol pretty much this

[TheGreatYacht]

12-14 when Murray starts.

Hurry up before it's too late.....

[davi78239]

Fuck 50 wins....tank!!

[wildbill2u]

How long ago was it that posters on here were happy with the FO because we finagled a draft choice for Superstar Kwahi and brought in All Star LMA while hanging on to Green in FA and keeping some veterans like Manu and Parker?. And who knew Gasol could lead the league in 3Pt. shooting percentage. And then we added the fucking new guy Murray with so much upside. Boy we were staaaacked and the future looked so bright we had to wear shades.:smokin

Oh, that long ago?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Parker, Murray... It doesn't matter the Spurs have the worse point guard situation in the NBA

[Brunodf]

PG is literally the most stacked position in the NBA.

There's 50+ pgs that are better than Mills/Murray in the NBA and the Spurs couldn't get one. :bang

[Snaq O'Meal]

PG is literally the most stacked position in the NBA.

There's 50+ pgs that are better than Mills/Murray in the NBA and the Spurs couldn't get one. :bang

:pop: “Because standing pat is what we do.”

[daslicer]

How long ago was it that posters on here were happy with the FO because we finagled a draft choice for Superstar Kwahi and brought in All Star LMA while hanging on to Green in FA and keeping some veterans like Manu and Parker?. And who knew Gasol could lead the league in 3Pt. shooting percentage. And then we added the fucking new guy Murray with so much upside. Boy we were staaaacked and the future looked so bright we had to wear shades.:smokin

Oh, that long ago?

It shows you how much a difference a superstar makes.

[K...]

we'd have a better pg if Parker and mills didn't get familiar to pop and we actually had minutes to give there.

[sasaint]

PG is literally the most stacked position in the NBA.

There's 50+ pgs that are better than Mills/Murray in the NBA and the Spurs couldn't get one. :bang

DWhite?

[sasaint]

Parker, Murray... It doesn't matter the Spurs have the worse point guard situation in the NBA

[duncan2k5]

Hmph... Imagine if their statlines were reversed... Ppl are quick to Bash Murray when Parker has a good game, but get quiet when he lays an egg...

[K...]

Murray tends to play well against the Cavs, granted this is a new cav team, but I think he's mentally more aggressive against LeBron

[DAF86]

Parker is closer to losing his spot on the rotation than getting back to being a starter, tbh.

[gambit1990]

give his minutes to white.

[Seventyniner]

:pop: “Because standing Patty is what we do.”

Fixed.

[TheGreatYacht]

It's not too late. Get over yourself Pop, Jesus Christ.

Still the best guard on the team, just like it has been since his career started.

970715840579596289

[TheGreatYacht]

Parker is closer to losing his spot on the rotation than getting back to being a starter, tbh.
:lol FAP86 the gift that keeps on giving

[tholdren]

Hmph... Imagine if their statlines were reversed... Ppl are quick to Bash Murray when Parker has a good game, but get quiet when he lays an egg...

Lol murray has no talent

[DAF86]

:lol FAP86 the gift that keeps on giving

Took you only, what, 10 + games to bump this thread? Good shit son. :lol

Go bump the Bertans thread too. :lol

[SuperCam]

Another Poop special, benching our best guard and closer while the other scrubs shit themselves once again smh. Someone tell crater face to get over himself.

[TheGreatYacht]

Fuck the day we drafted that fucking street balling loser smdh

[HarlemHeat37]

I like the current bench unit, tbh, but Parker needs to be closing out games..3 blown double-digit 4th quarter leads in the past 8 games and their only close win came against a tanking Grizzlies team..

[dabom]

I like the current bench unit, tbh, but Parker needs to be closing out games..3 blown double-digit 4th quarter leads in the past 8 games and their only close win came against a tanking Grizzlies team..

He's fine where he's at.

[SuperCam]

under 15 PER, 48% true shooting percentage, and the best guard in Spur history have to watch this scrub close games over him?

[TheGreatYacht]

under 15 PER, 48% true shooting percentage, and the best guard in Spur history have to watch this scrub close games over him?
Crater face made up his mind publicly already and he's too proud to admit he's wrong. However not closing with TP? That's something a senile 70yr old does.

[SASdynasty!]

Must suck being a hall-of-famer who closed out Conley last year have to sit and watch these collapses.

[ElNono]

We won't be winning 50 anyways, might aswell rest the remainder of this season, and wait and see if he can coattail Kawhi to another WCF...

[dabom]

We won't be winning 50 anyways, might aswell rest the remainder of this season, and wait and see if he can coattail Kawhi to another WCF...

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Jesus Christ how do you get outplayed by a 35yr old who's coming off a torn tendon? :lmao

Spurms are now 14-18 when Delonte is a starter

[SASdynasty!]

We won't be winning 50 anyways, might aswell rest the remainder of this season, and wait and see if he can coattail Kawhi to another WCF...
Or a first round exit like he did coming off his FMVP when he almost outscored Parker in a series.

[TheGreatYacht]

Ginose fans :lol

Has that janitor even scored a point in his last 5 games? Playoff mode already, I take it.

[ElNono]

Or a first round exit like he did coming off his FMVP when he almost outscored Parker in a series.

If Kawhi is gone, we're not making the playoffs.... but hey, it'll definitely be his team

[ElNono]

Ginose fans :lol

Has that janitor even scored a point in his last 5 games? Playoff mode already, I take it.

What playoffs? :lol

[tholdren]

Jesus Christ how do you get outplayed by a 35yr old who's coming off a torn tendon? :lmao

Spurms are now 14-18 when Delonte is a starter

Hes terrible

[TheGreatYacht]

Hes terrible

[duncan2k5]

Jesus Christ how do you get outplayed by a 35yr old who's coming off a torn tendon? :lmao

Spurms are now 14-18 when Delonte is a starter

U do realize Parker started during the easiest part of our schedule and dejounte got promoted to starter during our hardest part? Not to mention everytime Parker started, he played with Aldridge... But not the same for dejounte who had to play some games with neither Aldridge nor gay... Lastly, Parker with his six points and bad defense definitely isn't out playing dejounte

[tholdren]

U do realize Parker started during the easiest part of our schedule and dejounte got promoted to starter during our hardest part? Not to mention everytime Parker started, he played with Aldridge... But not the same for dejounte who had to play some games with neither Aldridge nor gay... Lastly, Parker with his six points and bad defense definitely isn't out playing dejounte

You must have missed last night. Dlonte got abused on d all night

[TheGreatYacht]

U do realize Parker started during the easiest part of our schedule and dejounte got promoted to starter during our hardest part? Not to mention everytime Parker started, he played with Aldridge... But not the same for dejounte who had to play some games with neither Aldridge nor gay... Lastly, Parker with his six points and bad defense definitely isn't out playing dejounte
Nice spin you fucking retard. The hard part of the schedule JUST started this week.

These are some of the world class teams we lost against when Delonte was starting....
@ LAL
vs IND
vs PHI (Simmons shoots 10/11 :wow)
vs UTA (Rubio 34pts on 11/14 shooting :wow)
@ UTA (no Rubio)
@ DEN
@ DEN
vs NOP (:cry Jrue pls)
vs LAL (Lonzo 6 deep Balls)

[tholdren]

Nice spin you fucking retard. The hard part of the schedule JUST started this week.

These are some of the world class teams we lost against when Delonte was starting....
@ LAL
vs IND
vs PHI (Simmons shoots 10/11 :wow)
vs UTA (Rubio 34pts on 11/14 shooting :wow)
@ UTA (no Rubio)
@ DEN
@ DEN
vs NOP (:cry Jrue pls)
vs LAL (Lonzo 6 deep Balls)

Dlonte is overhyped trash. He had one good play last night where he attacked the rim and made a really difficult layup. He proceeded to get abused on both sides of the ball.

[duncan2k5]

Nice spin you fucking retard. The hard part of the schedule JUST started this week.

These are some of the world class teams we lost against when Delonte was starting....
@ LAL
vs IND
vs PHI (Simmons shoots 10/11 :wow)
vs UTA (Rubio 34pts on 11/14 shooting :wow)
@ UTA (no Rubio)
@ DEN
@ DEN
vs NOP (:cry Jrue pls)
vs LAL (Lonzo 6 deep Balls)

He wasn't guarding lonzo late with those threes... Watch the game... Plus u want me to bring up the losses we had against bad teams with Parker in his prime? It happens...

[TheGreatYacht]

He wasn't guarding lonzo late with those threes... Watch the game... Plus u want me to bring up the losses we had against bad teams with Parker in his prime? It happens...
Go ahead and find me when we had a 14-18 record with him as a starter. Hint: you won't.

[duncan2k5]

Dlonte is overhyped trash. He had one good play last night where he attacked the rim and made a really difficult layup. He proceeded to get abused on both sides of the ball.

U mean when he got screened by adams? Hos is that being abused? Every single Westbrook score on DJ was off screens and him going to the basket against our trash bigs... And who would play better defense? Parker???? The whole NBA k owns dejounte is a good defender, but people on his own team cherry pick games when opposing point guards score a lot and put no context to it... Even Kawhi had ppl score a lot on him... It happens... Get over it... The guy is the best option we have at PG... Parker hasn't even been playing that well off the bench... Not with his six points and stupid momentum breaking fouls

[duncan2k5]

If dejounte had that stupid Parker foul, u guys would say he was stupid... But Parker does it and scores six points while giving up more, and everyone is quiet

[duncan2k5]

I'm starting to feel like everyone who picks up for Parker on here is actually Tony Parker... Seeing how Murray is by far the best option, and it's so obvious

[TheGreatYacht]

No one agrees with you because you're a retard.

All the "Murray is untouchable in trade scenarios" folks are gone all of a sudden. Might be because he's a 6'5 streetballing loser, but that's just me

[SuperCam]

https://i.imgur.com/MNAKD8A.png

'pg of the future' :lmao


Meanwhile, HOTS at the same age:


Through the first three games of an NBA Finals that was more
bare-knuckle brawl than high-caliber ball, Tony Parker--21 years
old, 6'2" and 180 pounds (maybe)--had cast a larger shadow than
either two-time MVP Teemy or the New Jersey Nets' Jason Kidd, the
soon-to-be free agent who was expected to demonstrate, even to
those amoureaux de Parker, how point guard is supposed to be
played. It's not that Kidd, who learned his hoops on the rugged
playgrounds of Oakland, was bad; he was sensational (30 points,
seven rebounds) in the Nets' 87-85 Game 2 victory last Friday in
San Antonio. It's just that Parker, a product of the National
Institute of Sports and Physical Education, an elite sports
school in a verdant section of Paris, was better.


:cry MVParker :cry

[duncan2k5]

https://i.imgur.com/MNAKD8A.png

'pg of the future' :lmao


Meanwhile, HOTS at the same age:




:cry MVParker :cry

U are comparing a 21 year old Murray's whole season to a good game that a hall of famer had... How many point guards in NBA history do u think can stack up to that? Use some common sense please

[TheGreatYacht]

https://i.imgur.com/MNAKD8A.png

'pg of the future' :lmao


Meanwhile, HOTS at the same age:




:cry MVParker :cry
:wow.....

Take it easy on em brah

[TheGreatYacht]

Tony is 5/5 from the floor with 3 assists in 12 minutes at halftime.

Murray otoh has uploaded 5 selfies on IG in 11 minutes. Oh, he's also -13

[Atl Spur]

White has a better demeanor/feel for the game

[SpursDynasty85]

DJ is not a loser. He is like 21! He has potential still. Expecting him to carry us is stupid. He was late first rounder.

[Atl Spur]

Where you’re drafted only gauges expectations; many outplay their draft positions

[TheGreatYacht]

14-19 when Delonte starts

[SASdynasty!]

The only things Parker does better at this point in their career are dribbling, passing, shooting, finishing at the rim, and handling late-game situations. Dejonte gets more rebounds though.

[Nathan89]

White has a better demeanor/feel for the game

Yeah White has bball skill and Murray doesn't.

[Brazil]

for the sake of not missing POs please start Parker again... :lol

[spursistan]

Might have to do it few games after Kawhi returns if Murray's uselessness without the ball proves to be too much..Heck i would go back to last year starting lineup and really let's end with this joke of Paddy starting experiment; it isn't working.

[SAGirl]

Might have to do it few games after Kawhi returns if Murray's uselessness without the ball proves to be too much..Heck i would go back to last year starting lineup and really let's end with this joke of Paddy starting experiment; it isn't working.
I don’t want to bring down the curtains on Dijon because he’s 21 and has gotten better.

However that Dijon/Mills combo is at least partly to blame for the tankaroo.

If starting Dijon requires Mills to play 30+ minutes maybe it’s not worth it. At this point it seems since Kawhi is not in Pop is just devoting playing time to develop Dijon.

[MaNu4Tres]

14-19 when Delonte starts

The losses have no ties to DeJounte starting. Has everything to do with the terrible regression and roster outside of Kawhi, LA, Kyle, Green, Murray, White, Bertans.

42 million commited to Pau, Patty and Tony this year. That's your reason. They can't defend, and only show a pulse of offense once every 4 games. Tonys' points are tied to his jumpers falling -- he can't turn the corner anymore unless the D is lazy and makes a mistake.

[SAGirl]

The losses have no ties to DeJounte starting. Has everything to do with the terrible regression and roster outside of Kawhi, LA, Kyle, Green, Murray, White, Bertans.
I will add that it coincides with Pop also “resting” Lamarcus for a sore knee since b4 ASB and Pau getting an increase in minutes solve to that, together with overplaying Mills.

Manu isn’t playing well and he helped in some wins early in the season, Rudy hasn’t looked right since coming back from his injury.

[duncan2k5]

So we bench LA against the best team in the league and we lost because of Murray... Who once again was far from the worst player this game, especially given he didn't even play 20 minutes

[TheGreatYacht]

The losses have no ties to DeJounte starting. Has everything to do with the terrible regression and roster outside of Kawhi, LA, Kyle, Green, Murray, White, Bertans.

42 million commited to Pau, Patty and Tony this year. That's your reason. They can't defend, and only show a pulse of offense once every 4 games. Tonys' points are tied to his jumpers falling -- he can't turn the corner anymore unless the D is lazy and makes a mistake.
You do realize Parker also played with this dog shit roster when he started, right? :lmao

15-6 when Parker starts
14-19 when Murray starts

If you don't notice the starting unit scoring 5 points in 6 minutes when the games start, you need bifocals son. The bench has been the saving grace of this team since Tony got inserted into it and it isn't close. Gasol and Mills are fucking trash and they may show a pulse of offense every 4 games..... but that's still more often than this cancerous street balling Instagram superstar.

[TheGreatYacht]

(Per 100 possessions)

5 man unit of Gasol-Aldridge-Anderson-Green-Parker:
+30.7 pts, +13.3 ast, +.123 FG%, +.114 3P%

5 man unit of Gasol-Aldridge-Anderson-Green-Murray:
-5.9 pts, +1.7 ast, +.008 FG%, -.059 3P%

[MaNu4Tres]

You do realize Parker also played with this dog shit roster when he started, right? :lmao

15-6 when Parker starts
14-19 when Murray starts

If you don't notice the starting unit scoring 5 points in 6 minutes when the games start, you need bifocals son. The bench has been the saving grace of this team since Tony got inserted into it and it isn't close. Gasol and Mills are fucking trash and they may show a pulse of offense every 4 games..... but that's still more often than this cancerous street balling Instagram superstar.

Leave it to the idiots who never consider context to situations.

There's so many variables such as the strength of schedule, Kawhi, and injuries to consider during the time Parker started:

When Parker started these were the wins and losses:

W- Vs. Dallas (lottery)
W- Vs. MEM (lottery)
W- @ MEM (lottery)
W - DET (lottery)
W - MIA (meh)
W - BOS (good)
L - @DAL
L - @HOU
W- DAL (lottery)
W - LAC (before they improved)
L - @Utah
W- sac (lottery)
W - BKY (lottery)
W- NYK (lottery)
L - DET
W- @NYK (lottery)
W- PHX (lottery
W- sac (lottery)
W- DEN (good)
L - ATL
W- @ BKYN (lottery)
L- @ TOR

During this span -- 5 of these wins were with Kawhi.

During this span, Spurs won games vs. Memphis twice, Knicks twice, BKY twice, Sac twice, Dallas twice. Overall, 11 of the 15 wins with Parker starting were against lottery teams, and 5 of them were with Kawhi playing. Actually should be 12 out of the 15 wins, because the win vs. the Clippers at the time was when they were playing like a garbage lottery team.

There's some context for you.

Kawhi played during the stretch Parker started and the schedule was much softer. These are just the facts though.

[MaNu4Tres]

(Per 100 possessions)

5 man unit of Gasol-Aldridge-Anderson-Green-Parker:
+30.7 pts, +13.3 ast, +.123 FG%, +.114 3P%



**Cupcake schedule deserves a fat asterisk**

[TheGreatYacht]

Leave it to the idiots who never consider context to situations.

There's so many variables such as the strength of schedule, Kawhi, and injuries to consider during the time Parker started:

When Parker started these were the wins and losses:

W- Vs. Dallas (lottery)
W- Vs. MEM (lottery)
W- @ MEM (lottery)
L- @ OKC
W - DET (lottery)
W - MIA (meh)
W - BOS (good)
L - @DAL
L - @HOU
W- DAL (lottery)
W - LAC (before they improved)
L - @Utah
W- sac (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2890) (lottery)
W - BKY (lottery)
W- NYK (lottery)
L - DET (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3776)
W- @NYK (lottery)
W- PHX (lottery
W- sac (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2890) (lottery)
W- DEN (good)
L - ATL
W- @ BKYN (lottery)
L- @ TOR

During this span -- 5 of these wins were with Kawhi.

During this span, Spurs won games vs. Memphis twice, Knicks twice, BKY twice, Sac twice, Dallas twice. Overall, 11 of the 15 wins with Parker starting were against lottery teams, and 5 of them were with Kawhi playing. 7 of the 15 wins were against lottery teams AT Home.

There's some context for you.

Kawhi played during the stretch Parker started and the schedule was much softer. These are just the facts though.
Alright you dumbass. You really want to do this?

These are the Wins Murray has under his lap:
MEM - lottery
@ PHO - lottery
SAC - lottery
@ MEM - lottery
DAL - lottery
@ PHO - lottery
@ CHI - lottery
CLE - when they were laughable
@ CLE - when they were bad
DEN - had 0 points on 0/4 shooting
@ POR - had 4 points, 2/8 shooting, -7
@ MIA - had 0 points on 0/6 shooting
MIN - first game of the season

and finally............

@ TOR - his truly only good win

Not even going to waste any further of my time pointing out his losses against mediocre teams because I already did in this very same thread in this very same page. Those are just the facts though.

14-19 record when he starts, and 13 of those wins were cupcake

[MaNu4Tres]

Alright you dumbass. You really want to do this?

These are the Wins Murray has under his lap:
MEM - lottery
@ PHO - lottery
SAC - lottery
@ MEM - lottery
DAL - lottery
@ PHO - lottery
@ CHI - lottery
CLE - when they were laughable
@ CLE - when they were bad
DEN - had 0 points on 0/4 shooting
@ POR - had 4 points, 2/8 shooting, -7
@ MIA - had 0 points on 0/6 shooting
MIN - first game of the season

and finally............

@ TOR - his truly only good win

Not even going to waste any further of my time pointing out his losses against mediocre teams because I already did in this very same thread in this very same page. Those are just the facts though.

14-19 record when he starts, and 13 of those wins were cupcake

Murray hasn't started with Kawhi like Tony did for 9 games.

Also, most of the games Murray started when Tony was back healthy and just resting -- were when most other starters weren't playing. Murray played with Paul starting in two of those games. Murray has started vs. much tougher opponents and it doesn't come close.

The schedule of 21 games that Parker started were extra Charmin soft. Murray has had to start against much tougher opponents and it doesn't come close.

So to be a dumbass and compare the Spurs record when Murray starts vs. Parker starts is irrelevant and carries very little weight unless the schedule and variables are the same.

Now go get your shinebox, dumbass.

[TheGreatYacht]

Murray hasn't started with Kawhi like Tony did for 9 games.

Also, most of the games Murray started when Tony was back healthy and just resting -- were when most other starters weren't playing. Murray played with Paul starting in two of those games. Murray has started vs. much tougher opponents and it doesn't come close.

The schedule of 21 games that Parker started were extra Charmin soft. Murray has had to start against much tougher opponents and it doesn't come close.

So to be a dumbass and compare the Spurs record when Murray starts vs. Parker starts is irrelevant and carries very little weight unless the schedule and variables are the same.

Now go get your shinebox, dumbass.
Didn't deny Murray has 13 out of 14 wins against laughable opponents :lol then tries to make a case that he somehow had a tougher schedule. You can't make this shit up.

Anybody who watches the games or contributes to the game threads sees how much better the team looks when Parker is on the floor. You're fighting a battle you can't win, just like Murray did when he managed to make Rubio and Ball look like Steph Curry this season.

[TheGreatYacht]

Those games you highlighted, without context (as per usual) :lmao


Alright you dumbass. You really want to do this?

These are the Wins Murray has under his lap:
MEM - lottery
@ PHO - lottery
SAC - lottery
@ MEM - lottery
DAL - lottery
@ PHO - lottery
@ CHI - lottery
CLE - when they were laughable
@ CLE - when they were bad
DEN - had 0 points on 0/4 shooting
@ POR - had 4 points, 2/8 shooting, -7
@ MIA - had 0 points on 0/6 shooting
MIN - first game of the season

and finally............

@ TOR - his truly only good win

Not even going to waste any further of my time pointing out his losses against mediocre teams because I already did in this very same thread in this very same page. Those are just the facts though.

14-19 record when he starts, and 13 of those wins were cupcake

Here, one more time for your dumbass. He literally had the same contributions as a wet fart did in those wins against DEN, POR, and MIA. Brandon Paul and his 1 point could've started and won those games. The Minny was their first game with their new nucleus, if you want to count that go ahead since you have no choice.

14-19 with an easy schedule. Sad!

[MaNu4Tres]

Didn't deny Murray has 13 out of 14 wins against laughable opponents :lol then tries to make a case that he somehow had a tougher schedule. You can't make this shit up.

Anybody who watches the games or contributes to the game threads sees how much better the team looks when Parker is on the floor. You're fighting a battle you can't win, just like Murray does when he managed to make Rubio and Ball look like Steph Curry this season.

Minnesota
Denver
Miami
Cleveland
Cleveland
Toronto

Were all wins vs. playoff teams w/ Murray starting.

The whole point of me pointing out Parkers schedule is for people to see the soft ass schedule the Spurs played when he started and to also point out that Kawhi actually played 9 games during that stint.

The 15-6 record is inflated by the soft schedule of playing only 5 playoff teams ( I included the Heat) out of those 21 games Parker started.

Also, 15 of the 21 games Parker started were at home. 12 of the wins were against Lottery teams. So to use the record the Spurs had w/ TP started as the reason he should start is flat out dumb.

Maybe you are dumb though?

You do realize a big part of Spurs record being 14-19 w/ Murray starting is because of facing better teams during the 33 game sample size right? And not playing with Kawhi like TP got to do for 43% of the games he started.

You do realize that a big part of Spurs record w/ Parker starting is because of 1) A very soft schedule 2) Playing 15 of the 21 games AT HOME. 3) Playing 9 of the 21 games WITH Kawhi. 4) Only 5 of the 21 TP starting games vs. playoff teams. 5) 12 of the 15 Wins being against lottery teams.

Should change your handle to TheGreatIdiot or TheGreatDumbass tbh..

[TheGreatYacht]

How did you delete your post? Are you a fucking mod? :lol

Explains why posters who don't hang off Manure's ball get censored around here.

Anyways, my last post was a response to the one you just reposted, somehow.

[DAF86]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[DAF86]

We would have probably won this game easily without the inexplicable chance of lineup that led to a slow start. Starting Parker and Mills together. :lmao

[Chinook]

Not the greatest time for a bump, seeing as Murray kind of lost the game on his own.

[duncan2k5]

We would have probably won this game easily without the inexplicable chance of lineup that led to a slow start. Starting Parker and Mills together. :lmao

Yeah Parker is done... Has been for years... But the occasional good game seems to change people's minds

[duncan2k5]

Not the greatest time for a bump, seeing as Murray kind of lost the game on his own.

Elaborate... Lol... Parker had a MUCH worse game

[duncan2k5]

Murray had better stats, less turnovers, and was a +7 to parkers - 12...GTFOH

[Chinook]

Elaborate... Lol... Parker had a MUCH worse game

I don't think you can have a worse game than being the dude who lost the match for your club.

[TheGreatYacht]

Not the greatest time for a bump, seeing as Murray kind of lost the game on his own.
FAP86 desperate to backfire a thread that's not his :lol

[DAF86]

I don't think you can have a worse game than being the dude who lost the match for your club.

By "the dude who lost the Match for your club" you mean the guy that managed to be -12 (the worst +/- of the team) on just 18 minutes, right? Because I doubt is the guy that pulled off the second best +/- of the team with +7.

[ElNono]

Murray isn't in that position at the end if other guys show up, tbh... especially Forbes playing atrocious D and Tony being neutered since he called out Kawhi...

[DAF86]

"Lost the game for your club" but the club somehow managed to be +7 with that dude. :lol

[ElNono]

To Poops' credit, he did actually bench Tony when he saw it wasn't his day, tbh

[DAF86]

:lol Changing the lineup (yet again) on the midst of one of the biggest winning streaks of the season.
:lol starting Parker and Mills together
:lol starting Parker and Mills together against the longest team in the league.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Changing the lineup (yet again) on the midst of one of the biggest winning streaks of the season.
:lol starting Parker and Mills together
:lol starting Parker and Mills together against the longest team in the league.

I missed the 1st quarter, Parker started?

[TE]

:lol Changing the lineup (yet again) on the midst of one of the biggest winning streaks of the season.
:lol starting Parker and Mills together
:lol starting Parker and Mills together against the longest team in the league.
Fucking asinine on so many levels.

Why. Like seriously, why change lineup. Fucking dumb.

[lefty]

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[HarlemHeat37]

Parker has 5 points on 11 shots in his last 4 games..ugh..mostly against opposing bench players..

Hopefully they don't actually let him play until his 20th season:lol

[dabom]

Parker has 5 points on 11 shots in his last 4 games..ugh..mostly against opposing bench players..

Hopefully they don't actually let him play until his 20th season:lol

:lol

[Hoops Czar]

Parker also has 7 assists and just 2 turnovers in his last 4 games. He's not a scorer. Why people keep throwing out his ppg as a way of discrediting him is beyond me. He's still the best pg on the team and he's the only pg that can run an nba offense.

[duncan2k5]

Parker also has 7 assists and just 2 turnovers in his last 4 games. He's not a scorer. Why people keep throwing out his ppg as a way of discrediting him is beyond me. He's still the best pg on the team and he's the only pg that can run an nba offense.

Murray has had more assists AND points over the last four games too...WITH low turnovers... 7 assists over four games isn't impressive... Especially when ur bad on defense and not scoring

[DAF86]

Parker also has 7 assists and just 2 turnovers in his last 4 games. He's not a scorer. Why people keep throwing out his ppg as a way of discrediting him is beyond me. He's still the best pg on the team and he's the only pg that can run an nba offense.

Are you really trying to hype Parker up by saying he has 7 assists on 4 games? :lol

[dabom]

Are you really trying to hype Parker up by saying he has 7 assists on 4 games? :lol

I give him credit for porker fluffing in todays game. :lol

[gambit1990]

Are you really trying to hype Parker up by saying he has 7 assists on 4 games? :lol
:lol

[duncan2k5]

Are you really trying to hype Parker up by saying he has 7 assists on 4 games? :lol

Talk about fluffing... Lmao

[Hoops Czar]

Murray has had more assists AND points over the last four games too...WITH low turnovers... 7 assists over four games isn't impressive... Especially when ur bad on defense and not scoring

He has 5 more assists yet Murray's played over 115 minutes compared to Parker's 64.


Are you really trying to hype Parker up by saying he has 7 assists on 4 games? :lol

Well, when your entire offense consists of dumping into the post for Aldridge, assists don't always tend to translate. He doesn't make a ton of mistakes on the court and there's zero reason he should be losing 90% of his minutes to Paddy Mills who can't shoot, dribble, pass or run an offense.

[DAF86]

He has 5 more assists yet Murray's played over 115 minutes compared to Parker's 64.



Well, when your entire offense consists of dumping into the post for Aldridge, assists don't always tend to translate. He doesn't make a ton of mistakes on the court and there's zero reason he should be losing 90% of his minutes to Paddy Mills wo can't shoot, dribble or pass.


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[Hoops Czar]

^ useless out of context. He shares most of his court time with Mills so natuarally he's going to have better chemistry?

Bryn Forbes has the 6th highest +/- on the team. That doesn't mean he's impactful.

[TheGreatYacht]

Hoops regulating scrubs as per usual :wow

[DAF86]

^ useless out of context. He shares most of his court time with Mills so natuarally he's going to have better chemistry?

Bryn Forbes has the 6th highest +/- on the team. That doesn't mean he's impactful.

Aldridge has shared more minutes with other players and his numbers with those players aren't as high as with Patty.

Either way, this isn't about Mills. This is about Tony and how it would be better for the Spurs if he retires after this season.

[Hoops Czar]

Aldridge has shared more minutes with other players and his numbers with those players aren't as high as with Patty.

Either way, this isn't about Mills. This is about Tony and how it would be better for the Spurs if he retires after this season.

I don't need to look it up because I don't care but I think Aldridge's success on the court has very little do with Paddy Mills just like the Spurs being 97 points to the good with Forbes on the court doesn't carry much wieght either. It's more coincidence than anything else. Paddy just happens to be breathing in Aldridge's air space when he goes off.

The offensive unit of LMA, Gasol, Anderson, Green and Parker has an offensive rating of 120.5 and a defensive rating of 92.4 but that doesn't fit some dude's narrative about Paddy Mills so it's not mentioned.

As it pertains to Parker... Why would he even consider retirement when he knows he's playing for the one organization that pays old, over the hill players big money to NOT go away?

[DAF86]

I don't need to look it up because I don't care but I think Aldridge's success on the court has very little do with Paddy Mills just like the Spurs being 97 points to the good with Forbes on the court doesn't carry much wieght either. It's more coincidence than anything else. Paddy just happens to be breathing in Aldridge's air space when he goes off.

The offensive unit of LMA, Gasol, Anderson, Green and Parker has an offensive rating of 120.5 and a defensive rating of 92.4 but that doesn't fit some dude's narrative about Paddy Mills so it's not mentioned.

As it pertains to Parker... Why would he even consider retirement when he knows he's playing for the one organization that pays old, over the hill players big money to NOT go away?

I wasn't talking from Paker's perspective (although it may be better for him to retire after this season instead of risking finishing his career as a 15th player), I was talking from the Spurs and Spurs' fans perspective.

[gambit1990]

tony’s VORP is -0.3 :lol so is forbes’. i’ve been saying neither should be on the court for a long time now.

[TD 21]

Murray isn't in that position at the end if other guys show up, tbh... especially Forbes playing atrocious D and Tony being neutered since he called out Kawhi...

:lmao So if the game didn't play out how it did, the end could have been different? You do realize that the Bucks could look at it the same way, right? Especially considering they were in far better position to win coming down the stretch. The Spurs were fortunate to even be in position to tie it, with their usual putrid road offense.

The lack of 3-point shooting in particular has become comical. They have to be dead last in makes and percentage this month.

[ElNono]

:lmao So if the game didn't play out how it did, the end could have been different? You do realize that the Bucks could look at it the same way, right? Especially considering they were in far better position to win coming down the stretch. The Spurs were fortunate to even be in position to tie it, with their usual putrid road offense.

The lack of 3-point shooting in particular has become comical. They have to be dead last in makes and percentage this month.

No, I'm pointing out the exact opposite, that it's not about focusing on an unfortunate play or two, but the whole body of work throughout the game. If we're going to start pointing fingers at whose loss this was, looking at the guys that played considerable minutes but contributed nothing should be a good start, right?

[TD 21]

No, I'm pointing out the exact opposite, that it's not about focusing on an unfortunate play or two, but the whole body of work throughout the game. If we're going to start pointing fingers at whose loss this was, looking at the guys that played considerable minutes but contributed nothing should be a good start, right?

I know. What I'm saying is, you're only looking at it from the Spurs' perspective, in terms of what they could have done better. What about the Bucks? They were up 12, with 3-4 minutes left, against a team whose offense goes from bad to awful on the road.

By the way, Murray did play considerable minutes (29), including the entire 4th and played his usual role in running the offense into the ground. I don't expect polish at 21, but as a PG, if you can't shoot (he'll improve, but almost all big PG's remain sub par shooters even thereafter), you better be dynamic/explosive off the dribble and he's not that either. Right now, he looks like Carter-Williams 2.0 in the making, with a higher give a shit level.

[ElNono]

I know. What I'm saying is, you're only looking at it from the Spurs' perspective, in terms of what they could have done better. What about the Bucks? They were up 12, with 3-4 minutes left, against a team whose offense goes from bad to awful on the road.

By the way, Murray did play considerable minutes (29), including the entire 4th and played his usual role in running the offense into the ground. I don't expect polish at 21, but as a PG, if you can't shoot (he'll improve, but almost all big PG's remain sub par shooters even thereafter), you better be dynamic/explosive off the dribble and he's not that either. Right now, he looks like Carter-Williams 2.0 in the making, with a higher give a shit level.

Not a huge fan of Murray yet either, but if this is indeed a down season, makes sense to throw him out there, tbh... he definitely has more upside, right now, than Fathead or Forbes, who are also getting burn...

Bucks did well, but also they had very favorable whistle, if we're going to be honest. Not the reason they won and we lost, but playing at home, having sizeable leads, they let us twice back in the game. They made Pau looks pretty good, that right there is probably the biggest indictment. In all honesty, they're a one trick pony, and it'll be interesting to see how long the Bledsoe + Ante duo really lasts until egos get in the way, IMO.

[duncan2k5]

I know. What I'm saying is, you're only looking at it from the Spurs' perspective, in terms of what they could have done better. What about the Bucks? They were up 12, with 3-4 minutes left, against a team whose offense goes from bad to awful on the road.

By the way, Murray did play considerable minutes (29), including the entire 4th and played his usual role in running the offense into the ground. I don't expect polish at 21, but as a PG, if you can't shoot (he'll improve, but almost all big PG's remain sub par shooters even thereafter), you better be dynamic/explosive off the dribble and he's not that either. Right now, he looks like Carter-Williams 2.0 in the making, with a higher give a shit level.

Run the offense into the ground? He had the highest +/-... So if he ran the offense I to the ground, what did the other players do? We came back in the game with him playing... Wtf

[TD 21]

Run the offense into the ground? He had the highest +/-... So if he ran the offense I to the ground, what did the other players do? We came back in the game with him playing... Wtf

:lmao At +/-, particularly single game, without context.

The other players, in terms of running the offense, are pushing 41 and 36 and mileage wise even older. Save for the occasional turning back of the clock, they physically can't do it anymore.

Again, specifically regarding the offense, he was just along for the ride when "we" came back in the game. It was the Gasol-Aldridge hi-lo that was most responsible for bringing them back.

[duncan2k5]

:lmao At +/-, particularly single game, without context.

The other players, in terms of running the offense, are pushing 41 and 36 and mileage wise even older. Save for the occasional turning back of the clock, they physically can't do it anymore.

Again, specifically regarding the offense, he was just along for the ride when "we" came back in the game. It was the Gasol-Aldridge hi-lo that was most responsible for bringing them back.

Murray scored like 6 points in the fourth while playing his usual great defense... What are u talking about? Smh... When Murray plays good, he is along for the ride... When he plays bad, it's because he sucks... However if he plays good and has a bad +/-, it is brought up... But when his +/- is good, it doesn't matter

[gambit1990]

give his minutes to white.

[TD 21]

Murray scored like 6 points in the fourth while playing his usual great defense... What are u talking about? Smh... When Murray plays good, he is along for the ride... When he plays bad, it's because he sucks... However if he plays good and has a bad +/-, it is brought up... But when his +/- is good, it doesn't matter

Murray generally scores in awkward, unsustainable ways. Like when Aldridge gets doubled, he'll be in the dunker spot, as if he's a rim-rolling center. Or after being disregarded in the weak side corner, he'll get it on swing-swing after they double Aldridge, fail to beat the defender (in this case, the corpse of Terry) off the dribble and instead shoot a contested mid ranger or spinning floater.

Even when those shots go in, as more have been recently, that's just not a winning formula. A point guard has to be able to either create, shoot or both. He provides neither. Guys on the fringe of the league, like Burke and Cook (though both will probably be on guaranteed contracts next season), are more talented offensively than the guy who is not only starting for this team, but who they appear poised to pin a lot of their future hopes on.

[duncan2k5]

Murray generally scores in awkward, unsustainable ways. Like when Aldridge gets doubled, he'll be in the dunker spot, as if he's a rim-rolling center. Or after being disregarded in the weak side corner, he'll get it on swing-swing after they double Aldridge, fail to beat the defender (in this case, the corpse of Terry) off the dribble and instead shoot a contested mid ranger or spinning floater.

Even when those shots go in, as more have been recently, that's just not a winning formula. A point guard has to be able to either create, shoot or both. He provides neither. Guys on the fringe of the league, like Burke and Cook (though both will probably be on guaranteed contracts next season), are more talented offensively than the guy who is not only starting for this team, but who they appear poised to pin a lot of their future hopes on.

i guess murray never creates his own shots then...