"And-1!" after every shot and other annoying things about Today's NBA

[phxspurfan]

"And 1!" ...or "aaargh!"

Every time someone shoots in the NBA.

Pretty annoying after awhile tbh

[Pelicans78]

"And 1!" ...or "aaargh!"

Every time someone shoots in the NBA.

Pretty annoying after awhile tbh

Couldn't stand whenever David West constantly did it.

[phxspurfan]

Gasol and Kobe practically invented it

[lefty]

Gasol and Kobe practically invented it

It was more like : "hoheyheywawei ! "

[UZER]

Draymond yells that all the time.

[ambchang]

How about every big with any skill being a unicorn?
Porzingis - Ralph Sampson
Greek Freak - David Robinson
Anthony Davis - broke mans Duncan
Boogie - Ewing
Jokic - sabonis

[UNT Eagles 2016]

How about every big with any skill being a unicorn?
Porzingis - Ralph Sampson
Greek Freak - David Robinson
Anthony Davis - broke mans Duncan
Boogie - Ewing
Jokic - sabonis

None of them shot threes, though. Even Sabonis' range extended only to around 19-20 feet and only took a three if at the end of the shot clock.

[spurraider21]

lol jokic is like 6'10 250 while sabonis was closer to 7'4 290.

you cant just ignore 5-6 inches, 40 pounds. thats what made sabonis special

[phxspurfan]

lol jokic is like 6'10 250 while sabonis was closer to 7'4 290.

you cant just ignore 5-6 inches, 40 pounds. thats what made sabonis special

That's what's ignored nowadays. Back in the 90s (80s too?) the best centers were real 7 footers (7'1"-7'4"). Now the best centers are like midgets by comparison at 6'8" (Draymond) - 6'10" (AD). The only guy who is great at center stuff + shooting 3s AND super tall is Porzingod at 7'4" or whatever he is. That used to be the PF spot.

[spurraider21]

yeah, i mean embiid looks WAY bigger than most centers right now, but he's 7'0 260.

[Chris Fall]

Players don’t foul anymore.

A guy can clearly deliver a hard foul, put a guy down to the floor, guy can be bleeding from the nose and mouth, laying unconscious, and the guy who “didn’t” commit the foul will still put his hands up, have a shocked look on his face, and still scream at and ask the refs what he did wrong.

There are are quite a few guys in the league who will argue a call no matter what. When they argue obvious foul calls, it’s pretty absurd. Those Golden State bitches are known for it. Draymond still hasn’t committed a foul his entire NBA career, go ahead, ask him.

[daslicer]

Players don’t foul anymore.

A guy can clearly deliver a hard foul, put a guy down to the floor, guy can be bleeding from the nose and mouth, laying unconscious, and the guy who “didn’t” commit the foul will still put his hands up, have a shocked look on his face, and still scream at and ask the refs what he did wrong.

There are are quite a few guys in the league who will argue a call no matter what. When they argue obvious foul calls, it’s pretty absurd. Those Golden State bitches are known for it. Draymond still hasn’t committed a foul his entire NBA career, go ahead, ask him.

I believe it's strategic in sense that these guys know if they bitch and yell at the refs enough times that the refs will eventually stop calling fouls against them or call the fouls in their favor just to stop them from yelling at them. Unfortunately from what I have seen in it does work.

[ambchang]

None of them shot threes, though. Even Sabonis' range extended only to around 19-20 feet and only took a three if at the end of the shot clock.
That’s the problem players are shooting threes because of the times and the eRa and they play and not because of skill

[UNT Eagles 2016]

That’s the problem players are shooting threes because of the times and the eRa and they play and not because of skill

The problem with analytics is, while yes three is better than two, even a wide open three isn't better than a layup, even when adjusted for the reward being multiplied by a scale factor of 1.5.

[phxspurfan]

The problem with analytics is, while yes three is better than two, even a wide open three isn't better than a layup, even when adjusted for the reward being multiplied by a scale factor of 1.5.

NBA is also a product, and fans like to see exciting long range bombing from wayyyy downtown, not layups like they're watching the LA Sparks. Just ask the Suns owner who has sworn by this brand of ball for 20+ years. It puts butts in seats

[phxspurfan]

I believe it's strategic in sense that these guys know if they bitch and yell at the refs enough times that the refs will eventually stop calling fouls against them or call the fouls in their favor just to stop them from yelling at them. Unfortunately from what I have seen in it does work.

Yup, and also strategic is guys like Kobe/Gasol screaming every time they put the ball up. Sometimes they'll get the call when there was no foul, and that's what makes it worth it. It's just not aesthetically pleasing as a fan. Kawhi even did it a ton last year and I noticed it/found it pretty annoying

[Chris]

today's NBA :lol

[SAGirl]

Players don’t foul anymore.

A guy can clearly deliver a hard foul, put a guy down to the floor, guy can be bleeding from the nose and mouth, laying unconscious, and the guy who “didn’t” commit the foul will still put his hands up, have a shocked look on his face, and still scream at and ask the refs what he did wrong.

There are are quite a few guys in the league who will argue a call no matter what. When they argue obvious foul calls, it’s pretty absurd. Those Golden State bitches are known for it. Draymond still hasn’t committed a foul his entire NBA career, go ahead, ask him.
+1

[UNT Eagles 2016]

NBA is also a product, and fans like to see exciting long range bombing from wayyyy downtown, not layups like they're watching the LA Sparks. Just ask the Suns owner who has sworn by this brand of ball for 20+ years. It puts butts in seats

as a longtime fan, and a fan back in the early post Jordan era where there was a lot more defense and less chucking.... threes are like alcohol, too much can be too much honestly.

[Clipper Nation]

as a longtime fan, and a fan back in the early post Jordan era where there was a lot more defense and less chucking.... threes are like alcohol, too much can be too much honestly.
:lmao Did you really just claim there was less chucking in the early post-MJ era?

[lefty]

:lmao Did you really just claim there was less chucking in the early post-MJ era?

He meant 3 pt chucking

[ambchang]

:lmao Did you really just claim there was less chucking in the early post-MJ era?

2016-2017: 85.4 fga/team/game. 45.7% shooting
1990-1991: 87.2fga/team/game. 47.4% shooting.

Less missed shots. Less chucking.

[Spurtacular]

"And 1!" ...or "aaargh!"

Every time someone shoots in the NBA.

Pretty annoying after awhile tbh

How about flashing three fingers to the side after every made three?

[Spurtacular]

Players don’t foul anymore.

A guy can clearly deliver a hard foul, put a guy down to the floor, guy can be bleeding from the nose and mouth, laying unconscious, and the guy who “didn’t” commit the foul will still put his hands up, have a shocked look on his face, and still scream at and ask the refs what he did wrong.

There are are quite a few guys in the league who will argue a call no matter what. When they argue obvious foul calls, it’s pretty absurd. Those Golden State bitches are known for it. Draymond still hasn’t committed a foul his entire NBA career, go ahead, ask him.

Refs at Silverstein's direction have been told to be the players' friends rather than the officials who are supposed to T 'em up and basically tell them to shut up and play ball.

[Clipper Nation]

2016-2017: 85.4 fga/team/game. 45.7% shooting
1990-1991: 87.2fga/team/game. 47.4% shooting.

Less missed shots. Less chucking.
1990-1991 is not the early post-MJ era.

[sickdsm]

The problem with analytics is, while yes three is better than two, even a wide open three isn't better than a layup, even when adjusted for the reward being multiplied by a scale factor of 1.5.

Lol. Analytics don't lie. You don't think they can pinpoint how open someone is? What a team does with analytics is another story. Listened to a podcast on the warriors and how they were one of the first teams to go balls deep with analytics. They ordered the station with 3 special camera that cost about$100k and it kept track of all sorts of things. They were able to track movement and average speed. When speed went below a certain threshold for individual players they got benched. When it logged enough movement they sat out a game.

I believe it mentioned 2011 time frame and the Mavs and Spurs were also utilizing it.

[ambchang]

1990-1991 is not the early post-MJ era.

Apologies. Mis read.

2000-2001 80.6/44.3%

Worse shooting percentage but a lot less shots.

[Seventyniner]

Lol. Analytics don't lie. You don't think they can pinpoint how open someone is? What a team does with analytics is another story. Listened to a podcast on the warriors and how they were one of the first teams to go balls deep with analytics. They ordered the station with 3 special camera that cost about$100k and it kept track of all sorts of things. They were able to track movement and average speed. When speed went below a certain threshold for individual players they got benched. When it logged enough movement they sat out a game.

I believe it mentioned 2011 time frame and the Mavs and Spurs were also utilizing it.

I think the Spurs have multiple (recent) "team of the year" awards from the Sloan conference for sports analytics. The Spurs, Warriors, Rockets, Mavs, and I think Sixers are seen as the most analytically driven front offices.

I can only guess as to which teams rank at the bottom but the Lakers, Knicks, Kings, and Tom Thibodeau have to be down there.

[Clipper Nation]

Apologies. Mis read.

2000-2001 80.6 (tel:2000-2001 80.6)/44.3%

Worse shooting percentage but a lot less shots.
2000-01 average TS%: 52%
2017-18 average TS%: 56%

To put things in perspective, that's roughly the difference between Austin Rivers and Damian Lillard. And the difference in shot attempts has a lot to do with how much slower-paced the game was back then compared to now.

Volume shooting on mediocre-to-bad efficiency is the definition of chucking. And it's no coincidence that the early 2000s were the glory days of awful, selfish chuckers like Antoine Walker, Kobe, Jerry Stackhouse, Ron Mercer, Jamal Mashburn, etc. Those types of players are dinosaurs in today's league.

[ambchang]

2000-01 average TS%: 52%
2017-18 average TS%: 56%

To put things in perspective, that's roughly the difference between Austin Rivers and Damian Lillard. And the difference in shot attempts has a lot to do with how much slower-paced the game was back then compared to now.

Volume shooting on mediocre-to-bad efficiency is the definition of chucking. And it's no coincidence that the early 2000s were the glory days of awful, selfish chuckers like Antoine Walker, Kobe, Jerry Stackhouse, Ron Mercer, Jamal Mashburn, etc. Those types of players are dinosaurs in today's league.

It’s a shift away from long 2s and way more threes. Also snowflake players gettin tough foil freebies as well.

TS% has nothing to do with chucking. Chucking, by definition is to chuck shots regardless of the likelihood of it going in.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

2000-01 average TS%: 52%
2017-18 average TS%: 56%

To put things in perspective, that's roughly the difference between Austin Rivers and Damian Lillard. And the difference in shot attempts has a lot to do with how much slower-paced the game was back then compared to now.

Volume shooting on mediocre-to-bad efficiency is the definition of chucking. And it's no coincidence that the early 2000s were the glory days of awful, selfish chuckers like Antoine Walker, Kobe, Jerry Stackhouse, Ron Mercer, Jamal Mashburn, etc. Those types of players are dinosaurs in today's league.
Good names, but you forgot Iverson, Allan Houston, Iso Joe (who's still in the league but barely), Josh Howard, Starbury, Eddie House (the original Patty Mills), Nick Van Exel, Bonzi Wells, Ricky Davis, Darius Miles, heck even Baron Davis except for the magical '07 run. I'm sure I missed a lot of names like that

[DMC]

Players look at the refs like they were just told slavery has been reinstated, even after getting the call.

[lefty]

Even thob8 don't like the 3 pt chucking, or the fact that today's NBA (lol I said today's NBA) is softer, I think the real issue today is the lack of true rivalries.

[phxspurfan]

Even thob8 don't like the 3 pt chucking, or the fact that today's NBA (lol I said today's NBA) is softer, I think the real issue today is the lack of true rivalries.

There are no rivalries when the stars/leaders of their team just sign 1 year deals and change teams every year. Then hit each other up on Twitter to go to Da Club after every game