Name Your Top 5 Non-QB Players Of All Time

[Darth_Pelican]

1. Jerry Rice
2. Lawrence Taylor
3. Reggie White
4. Jim Brown
5. Randy Moss

others considered: Walter Payton, Deion Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Marshall Faulk

[SpursforSix]

Hmmm.

I'll steal Walter Payton from you.
and add...

Bo Jackson
Earl Campbell
Derrick Thomas

hmmm...trying to come up with a WR...

I'll just say Largent because I'm racist.
But I did used to like to watch him play.

[Darth_Pelican]

Hmmm.

I'll steal Walter Payton from you.
and add...

Bo Jackson
Earl Campbell
Derrick Thomas

hmmm...trying to come up with a WR...

I'll just say Largent because I'm racist.
But I did used to like to watch him play.

Bo Jackson's shortened career is the only thing keeping him off the list. Longevity has to count for something. But yeah, healthy Bo in his prime was as good as it gets.

[Blake]

Never saw Jim Brown so I'll go with players I saw

1. Emmitt Smith
2. Jerry Rice
3. Lawrence Taylor
4. Reggie White
5. Barry Sanders

Honorable mention: Deion, Ronnie Lott, Mike Singletary, Walter Payton, Wes Welker, Ray Guy, Rafael Septien

[Blake]

Bo Jackson's shortened career is the only thing keeping him off the list. Longevity has to count for something. But yeah, healthy Bo in his prime was as good as it gets.

I loved watching Bo. Loved using Bo in Tecmo Bowl.

[Chris Fall]

LT
Jim Brown
Deion
Randy
Gronk

Each completely changed the game at their respective positions, redefining those positions.

Gronk is questionable because 8 seasons with plenty of games missed seems like an incomplete career. But for perspective, if he were to play as many games as Tony Gonzalez played, Gronk’s current pace of production would clear Tony’s career yards by nearly 4,000 and he’d have about 25 more TDs. Granted, that doesn’t account for regression of production over a long career. But the point is that Gronk’s current production pace is that ridiculous.

In a “first 8 seasons” comparison, Tony put up 570 catches, 6905 yards and 64 TDs in 127 games to Gronk with 474 catches, 7179 yards and 76 TDs in 102 games. 25 fewer games, nearly 100 fewer catches. The production is video game silly. 102 games is basically 6 and a half seasons. Averaging roughly 1100 yards and 12 TDs per “season” on just 4-5 catches a game.

[Darth_Pelican]

Never saw Jim Brown so I'll go with players I saw

1. Emmitt Smith
2. Jerry Rice
3. Lawrence Taylor
4. Reggie White
5. Barry Sanders

Honorable mention: Deion, Ronnie Lott, Mike Singletary, Walter Payton, Wes Welker, Ray Guy, Rafael Septien

:lol

[SpursforSix]

Bo Jackson's shortened career is the only thing keeping him off the list. Longevity has to count for something. But yeah, healthy Bo in his prime was as good as it gets.

Yeah...I did consider that.

But in terms of turning on a game just to watch one player, he popped in my mind immediately.

[Blake]

LT
Jim Brown
Deion
Randy
Gronk

Each completely changed the game at their respective positions, redefining those positions.

Gronk is questionable because 8 seasons with plenty of games missed seems like an incomplete career. But for perspective, if he were to play as many games as Tony Gonzalez played, Gronk’s current pace of production would clear Tony’s career yards by nearly 4,000 and he’d have about 25 more TDs. Granted, that doesn’t account for regression of production over a long career. But the point is that Gronk’s current production pace is that ridiculous.

In a “first 8 seasons” comparison, Tony put up 570 catches, 6905 yards and 64 TDs in 127 games to Gronk with 474 catches, 7179 yards and 76 TDs in 102 games. 25 fewer games, nearly 100 fewer catches. The production is video game silly. 102 games is basically 6 and a half seasons. Averaging roughly 1100 yards and 12 TDs per “season” on just 4-5 catches a game.

Gronk having Tom Brady neutralizes a lot of your argument.

I'd rather have Tony

[Chris Fall]

Do Montana / Young neutralize Jerry Rice at your #2 then?

[SpursforSix]

1. Jerry Rice
2. Lawrence Taylor
3. Reggie White
4. Jim Brown
5. Randy Moss

others considered: Walter Payton, Deion Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Marshall Faulk


Hmmm.

I'll steal Walter Payton from you.
and add...

Bo Jackson
Earl Campbell
Derrick Thomas

hmmm...trying to come up with a WR...

I'll just say Largent because I'm racist.
But I did used to like to watch him play.

Maybe I misunderstood. Are you asking for the players that were the best? Or just our personal favorites?

For best, I'd probably have to put Sanders in there or Dickerson. Although I didn't particularly like them.

[Avante]

1.Don Hutson Alabama/Packers....Where do ya start with this guy? Nine times All Pro, five times the NFL's leading scorer for a season. Led the league in INT's, scored over 800 points kicking. Here we had a 9.8 sprinter***(WR 9.4) vs white DB's in the 30's early 40's, yep, a total mismatch. He was the first WR to have a 1000 yds in a season. Had 17 TD's that 1000 yard season (1942), no WR had more until Mark Clayton in 1984.

In that 1942 season he had 74 receptions, second place....24. That was similiar to every season of his amazing career. He was on a whole other level.

2.Jim Brown, Syracuse/Browns.... Only a Don Hutson could have this amazing athlete in second. Imagine a RB (actually a FB) averaging 100 games evey game of his career, that is hard to believe. He averaged over 5 yards a carry vs defenses geared to stop him. At 6-2 230 pound with 10.0ish jets he was a freak of nature in his day, there had never been this size, speed, agility combo before Jim Brown. A 230 pounder returning kicks in the late 50's...wow~~~ He dragged wanna be tacklers, then could out run any defender. Totally amazing.

3.Jerry Rice, Mississippi Valley State/Niners......Will his numerous NFL records ever be broken, I have doubts. First time I became aware of him (sorta) was checking NCAA scores. I kept reading Mississippi Valley State 76 Alcorn 24, Mississippi Valley State 65 Jackson State 27, etc etc. So it's this Blue vs Grey All Star game (non defunct) and here's this cat from MVS catching everything, yep....Jerry "World" Rice. I'd find out about QB Willie Totten and that spread formation at MVS later. Will we ever see a more dominate HBCU NFLer, that would be a....nope~~~

4.Red Grange...Illinois/Bears.....Yep, The Galloping Ghost. Imagine an 18 game coast to coast tour all because of one player, yep...1926. And the cat played both ways. He had a lot to do with the popularity of the game, made a massive impact on the sport.


5.Emlen Tunnell Iowa/Giants....The cat just walked in to the Giants office and asked for a tryout. After making the team.....79 INTS, 4TD's, over 2000 yards returning punts and 5TD;s, and over 1000 yards returning kicks, I TD. His INT yards/punt return yards were an NFL record. Played in nine pro bowls, was all pro four times. He had 10 seasons n a row with at least 6 INT's. How he went undrafted...?

Need mention....

Dick "Night Train" Lane......14 INT's as a rookie:wow
Marion Motley
Joe "The Jet" Perry
Reggie White
Lawrence Taylor
Gale Sayers..............if not for such a short career, hmmmm?
Bo Jackson...same as above
Barry Sanders
Devin Hester


*** He was playing baseball on the Alabama campus, there was also a track meet going on (on both teams). So he walks over all decked out in the baseball gear, trades his baseball shoes for cleats, wins the 100 yard dash then back to the baseball game where he hits a homerun.....(just made that last part up, but what a great story)





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6qtqkLdZek

[Blake]

Do Montana / Young neutralize Jerry Rice at your #2 then?

I would have put him at #1 except for that.

He put up exceptional numbers with 3 (4?) different QB's going to Super Bowls with those 3 different QBs across two teams.

[Chris Fall]

Yeah but the two QBs he won with are both HOFers. And Montana was already a two time Super Bowl champ before him.

Greatness is greatness. I feel like Gronk would have put up pretty ridiculous stats with pretty much any competent QB. Maybe not if his QB was like Tavares Jackson or Tim Tebow. But most others. And remember, Brady isn’t know for creating superstar receivers. Outside the one Randy Moss season, Brady has really been about equal distribution to many different receivers. The fact Gronk puts up those numbers without needing 8-10 catches a game speaks volumes. He’s an absolute freak.

[Blake]

The QB that Gronk has is the greatest ever.

Whatever. Everyone is entitled to that one crazy pick

[spurraider21]

Tony Romo (field goal holder)
Tom Brady (punter)
Doug Flutie (drop kick specialist)
Sammy Baugh (punter)
Nick Foles (wide receiver)

[Avante]

My top five non QB players who played JC ball or no college at all.

1.Dick "Night Train" Lane....Scottsbluff/Lions....14 INT's as a rookie
2.Joe "The Jet" Perry....Compton/Niners....first black to have a 1000 yard season, first player with consecutive 1000 yard seasons
3.O.J.Simpson....SFCC/Bills...first 2000 yard season (top JC RB in the nation)
4.Hugh "The King" McElhenny...Compton/Niners....greatest white RB
5.Carlton "Cookie' Gilchrist....no college/Bills (fist 1000 yard rusher in AFL history, a 250 pound monster in the 60's))

[Darth_Pelican]

1.Don Hutson Alabama/Packers....Where do ya start with this guy? Nine times All Pro, five times the NFL's leading scorer for a season. Led the league in INT's, scored over 800 points kicking. Here we had a 9.8 sprinter***(WR 9.4) vs white DB's in the 30's early 40's, yep, a total mismatch. He was the first WR to have a 1000 yds in a season. Had 17 TD's that 1000 yard season (1942), no WR had more until Mark Clayton in 1984.

In that 1942 season he had 74 receptions, second place....24. That was similiar to every season of his amazing career. He was on a whole other level.

2.Jim Brown, Syracuse/Browns.... Only a Don Hutson could have this amazing athlete in second. Imagine a RB (actually a FB) averaging 100 games evey game of his career, that is hard to believe. He averaged over 5 yards a carry vs defenses geared to stop him. At 6-2 230 pound with 10.0ish jets he was a freak of nature in his day, there had never been this size, speed, agility combo before Jim Brown. A 230 pounder returning kicks in the late 50's...wow~~~ He dragged wanna be tacklers, then could out run any defender. Totally amazing.

3.Jerry Rice, Mississippi Valley State/Niners......Will his numerous NFL records ever be broken, I have doubts. First time I became aware of him (sorta) was checking NCAA scores. I kept reading Mississippi Valley State 76 Alcorn 24, Mississippi Valley State 65 Jackson State 27, etc etc. So it's this Blue vs Grey All Star game (non defunct) and here's this cat from MVS catching everything, yep....Jerry "World" Rice. I'd find out about QB Willie Totten and that spread formation at MVS later. Will we ever see a more dominate HBCU NFLer, that would be a....nope~~~

4.Red Grange...Illinois/Bears.....Yep, The Galloping Ghost. Imagine an 18 game coast to coast tour all because of one player, yep...1926. And the cat played both ways. He had a lot to do with the popularity of the game, made a massive impact on the sport.


5.Emlen Tunnell Iowa/Giants....The cat just walked in to the Giants office and asked for a tryout. After making the team.....79 INTS, 4TD's, over 2000 yards returning punts and 5TD;s, and over 1000 yards returning kicks, I TD. His INT yards/punt return yards were an NFL record. Played in nine pro bowls, was all pro four times. He had 10 seasons n a row with at least 6 INT's. How he went undrafted...?

Need mention....

Dick "Night Train" Lane......14 INT's as a rookie:wow
Marion Motley
Joe "The Jet" Perry
Reggie White
Lawrence Taylor
Gale Sayers..............if not for such a short career, hmmmm?
Bo Jackson...same as above
Barry Sanders
Devin Hester


*** He was playing baseball on the Alabama campus, there was also a track meet going on (on both teams). So he walks over all decked out in the baseball gear, trades his baseball shoes for cleats, wins the 100 yard dash then back to the baseball game where he hits a homerun.....(just made that last part up, but what a great story)





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6qtqkLdZek

:lol What a shitty list, picking players who played in an all white league who didn't even wear real helmets as the top 5 best of all time. Those players probably wouldn't even be good enough to make a practice squad with the superior athleticism of modern NFL players.

[Darth_Pelican]

Maybe I misunderstood. Are you asking for the players that were the best? Or just our personal favorites?

For best, I'd probably have to put Sanders in there or Dickerson. Although I didn't particularly like them.

Top 5 all time non-qb players

[Avante]

:lol What a shitty list, picking players who played in an all white league who didn't even wear real helmets as the top 5 best of all time. Those players probably wouldn't even be good enough to make a practice squad with the superior athleticism of modern NFL players.

Right there tells all of us just how little ya understand sports. Not a clue.

It's all about.....DOMINANCE OF ERA.....ok rookie?

This is why Jesse Owens, Babe Ruth, Wilt Chamberlain, Rocky Marciano, The Brown Bomber Joe Louis are legends.

AND....this was "YOUR" top five non QB players of All Time, and since I can talk every player who ever played in the NFL starting in 1920, ya might wanna cool your bullshit and learn something, got it rookie?

Now if you'd had said.....Name Your Top 5 Non-QB Players Of All Time I Know About......then I'd keep it simple for ya.

[SpursforSix]

Top 5 all time non-qb players

My bad.

Your list is pretty good then. Although I can't truly speak to Brown. So I'd put Barry Sanders in there.

[Darth_Pelican]

Right there tells all of us just how little ya understand sports. Not a clue.

It's all about.....DOMINANCE OF ERA.....ok rookie?

This is Why Jesse Owens, Babe Ruth, Wilt Chamberlain are legends.

AND....this was "YOUR" top five non QB players of All Time, and since I can talk every player who ever played in the NFL starting in 1920, ya might wanna cool your bullshit and learn something, got it rookie?

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/pg-photo/2009/03/30/09000d5d80f854ef/don-hutson_pg_600.jpg

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

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:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Avante]

Sad to watch those who know...0....about the game in with those of us who know everything about the game.

You had Jerry Rice number one, right?

I get this is over your head.....

When Hutson retired in 1945, he held 18 NFL records. He left the game with 488 pass receptions. The next player on the list had 190. His record of 99 career touchdown receptions stood for 44 years before Largent broke it, and still ranks ninth all time.
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Here's another cat who knows the game.


There are some things in sports that one just accepts without hesitation. The New York Yankees are the greatest franchise in professional sports history. Michael Jordan is the greatest clutch player in basketball history. And Jerry Rice is the greatest wide receiver in NFL (http://www.spurstalk.com/nfl) history.
However, what if a closer examination revealed...that the general public might be wrong?
What if Jerry Rice really isn't the greatest wide receiver in NFL history?
What if somebody 50, 60, even 70 years ago was better?
Accept it. It's true.
Meet Don Hutson, wide receiver of the Green Bay Packers (http://www.spurstalk.com/green-bay-packers) from 1935-1945.
Don Hutson, the greatest wide receiver in the 89-year history of the National Football League.



To compare Hutson and Rice, I have chosen five different topics to focus on: supporting cast, longevity, postseason, impact on the game, and most importantly, a statistical analysis.

[Avante]

Dummy....so what are your five top bands of all time?
Avante...rattles off HIS top five.
Dummy....dude, are you serious, really?
Avante....ah....MY...top five, right?
Dummy....huh?


Key word...IMPACT...ok rookies?

You cannot talk hitters and not talk Ted Williams, right? Try and talk boxing without Sugar Ray Robinson, can't be done. Try talking the great QB's with no mention of Otto Graham or Johnny Unitas. Great kick returners with no Gale Sayers????

[Blake]

Oh neat another avante meltdown rant thread where at some point he cries about how the girls in olangapo bars had to be 18

[Avante]

How many times do we hear.....best RB in the nation.....about some college kid? We all get the guy is talking the college game. No need to tell us anything about the NFL. Then there's HS, JC, NAIA, all the levels of the college game. We all get it.

This is no different, when talking greatness it's done by era, level. Simply common sense.

Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb was a monster in his day, the cat didn't even weigh 300 pounds.

Why something so obvious has to be explained...????

[Avante]

No matter where ya find....THE GREATEST EVER....THE BEST EVER.....it wil look something like this...

Positional and franchise designations are taken directly from the list provided by the NFL Network. Note that in many cases, players played for more than one franchise and/or in more than one position.


Rank

Name

Position (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/American_football_positions)

First

Last

Franchise

AP (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/All-Pro)[4] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-4)

PB (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Pro_Bowl)[5] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-5)



1

Jerry Rice (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Jerry_Rice)

4 !WR

1985

2004

San Francisco 49ers (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/San_Francisco_49ers)

10

13



2

Jim Brown (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Jim_Brown)

3 !FB

1957

1965

Cleveland Browns (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Cleveland_Browns)

8

9



3

Lawrence Taylor (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Lawrence_Taylor)

11 !LB

1981

1993

New York Giants (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/New_York_Giants)

8

10



4

Joe Montana (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Joe_Montana)

1 !QB

1979

1994

San Francisco 49ers (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/San_Francisco_49ers)

3

8



5

Walter Payton (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Walter_Payton)

2 !RB

1975

1987

Chicago Bears (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Chicago_Bears)

5

9



6

Johnny Unitas (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Johnny_Unitas)

1 !QB

1956

1973

Baltimore Colts (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Baltimore_Colts)

5

10



7

Reggie White (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Reggie_White)

10 !DE

1985

2000

Philadelphia Eagles (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Philadelphia_Eagles)

8

13



8

Peyton Manning (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Peyton_Manning)

1 !QB

1998

2015

Indianapolis Colts (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Indianapolis_Colts)

7

14



9

Don Hutson (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Don_Hutson)

4 !WR

1935

1945

Green Bay Packers (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers)

4

8



10

Dick Butkus (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Dick_Butkus)

11 !LB

1965

1973

Chicago Bears (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Chicago_Bears)

5

8





Why do we always find Don Hutson listed, well? And what about old timers Jim Brown, John Unitas, Dick Butkus doing there? What chance would they stand vs todays athlete, yep..................NOT ABOUT THAT AT ALL.

[benefactor]

Earl Campbell
Barry Sanders
Lawrence Taylor
Deacon Jones
Deion Sanders

[Avante]

See the above....Earl Campbell? He isn't even in the top 30 All Time rushers. But....those of us who saw him play get the greatness....IN HIS TIME. The guy was a monster, would he be a monster today.....nope....but....it simply doesn't matter, it's never been about that.

Campbel wouldn't have enought quickness to tehole in todays game and his size not nearly as dramatic vs todays defenders than what he faced. But.....it just doesn't matter.

The only old timer from way back when who would STILL be just as dominate....Bob Hayes. His 10.06 speed is faster than anyone playing today.

[spurraider21]

Jerry Rice
Lawrence Taylor
Walter Payton
Reggie White
Ray Lewis

[Spurtacular]

Ronnie Lott was the best safety of his era, tbh. He is an unsung hero of those dominant 49er teams.

[Spurtacular]

Earl Campbell
Barry Sanders
Lawrence Taylor
Deacon Jones
Deion Sanders

GOAT, tbh. I had thought Marshall Faulk might've surpassed him; but he was slow out of the gates. And Adrian Peterson had a chance, too.

[Avante]

The only RB where I had more......did I really just see that......over Gale Sayers was Barry Sanders. His ability to stop, start at the speed he did it, totally unique.

Over 2000 yards in a season and over 6 yards a carry, that is amazing. Had five seasons with a better than 5 yards a carry, who does that?

[spurraider21]

Ronnie Lott was the best safety of his era, tbh. He is an unsung hero of those dominant 49er teams.
do you know what unsung hero means?

[spurraider21]

and yeah, longevity/body of work is why i have payton on that list over sayers, bo, sanders

[Spurtacular]

do you know what unsung hero means?

More tears.

[Avante]

do you know what unsung hero means?

Did people push you around as a kid and now in hiding...................

[Darth_Pelican]

Sad to watch those who know...0....about the game in with those of us who know everything about the game.

You had Jerry Rice number one, right?

I get this is over your head.....

When Hutson retired in 1945, he held 18 NFL records. He left the game with 488 pass receptions. The next player on the list had 190. His record of 99 career touchdown receptions stood for 44 years before Largent broke it, and still ranks ninth all time.
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Here's another cat who knows the game.


There are some things in sports that one just accepts without hesitation. The New York Yankees are the greatest franchise in professional sports history. Michael Jordan is the greatest clutch player in basketball history. And Jerry Rice is the greatest wide receiver in NFL (http://www.spurstalk.com/nfl) history.
However, what if a closer examination revealed...that the general public might be wrong?
What if Jerry Rice really isn't the greatest wide receiver in NFL history?
What if somebody 50, 60, even 70 years ago was better?
Accept it. It's true.
Meet Don Hutson, wide receiver of the Green Bay Packers (http://www.spurstalk.com/green-bay-packers) from 1935-1945.
Don Hutson, the greatest wide receiver in the 89-year history of the National Football League.



To compare Hutson and Rice, I have chosen five different topics to focus on: supporting cast, longevity, postseason, impact on the game, and most importantly, a statistical analysis.


And there wasn't a single black cornerback in the league to cover him, so the stats are completely irrelevant.

[Darth_Pelican]

GOAT, tbh. I had thought Marshall Faulk might've surpassed him; but he was slow out of the gates. And Adrian Peterson had a chance, too.

I'd take Faulk because he was more dual threat. Sanders had 15,269 yards rushing but only 2,921 receiving (18,190 total). Faulk had 12,279 rushing and 6,875 receiving (19,154 total). Sanders had 109 total touchdowns. Faulk had 136.

[benefactor]

See the above....Earl Campbell? He isn't even in the top 30 All Time rushers. But....those of us who saw him play get the greatness....IN HIS TIME. The guy was a monster, would he be a monster today.....nope....but....it simply doesn't matter, it's never been about that.

Campbel wouldn't have enought quickness to tehole in todays game and his size not nearly as dramatic vs todays defenders than what he faced. But.....it just doesn't matter.

The only old timer from way back when who would STILL be just as dominate....Bob Hayes. His 10.06 speed is faster than anyone playing today.
I'm also a bit biased. He's from my hometown and the Houston connection. Guys here that were old enough to watch him in HS said it was like nothing they had ever seen. They said it wasn't uncommon for Earl to just drag/carry guys 20-30 yards to the end zone.

[spurraider21]

I'd take Faulk because he was more dual threat. Sanders had 15,269 yards rushing but only 2,921 receiving (18,190 total). Faulk had 12,279 rushing and 6,875 receiving (19,154 total). Sanders had 109 total touchdowns. Faulk had 136.
faulk had 23 more games played, so to scale, sanders would have had more yardage, faulk more TD's.

and sanders hadn't exactly slown down yet when he retired. put up over 1700 all purpose yards in his final season, which was just 1 season after his 2000 yard rushing season.

in the meantime, faulk was draggin his feet his last 3 seasons. faulk had like 7-8 great seasons, sanders had 9. sanders just got bored of the game. only jim brown averaged more rushing yards per game for a career, and that's because he also retired early, so those guys didn't have a few lousy last years to drag their averages down. but shows they could have been great for another couple years

[Spurtacular]

I'd take Faulk because he was more dual threat. Sanders had 15,269 yards rushing but only 2,921 receiving (18,190 total). Faulk had 12,279 rushing and 6,875 receiving (19,154 total). Sanders had 109 total touchdowns. Faulk had 136.

Sanders did all his damage playing with turrible QB's and turrible offensive lines. I wouldn't hesitate to draft Sanders over Faulk. We start getting into face value rush/receiving stats and suddenly we're looking at Reggie Bush as a great, tbh.

[Avante]

And there wasn't a single black cornerback in the league to cover him, so the stats are completely irrelevant.

I mentioned that fact, but with 9.8 speed in the 30's he was as fast as any football playing blacks.

Find anything about the greatest NFLers ever and you will see Don Hutson mentioned. What happened is you don't know history, what a shame.

[Avante]

I'm also a bit biased. He's from my hometown and the Houston connection. Guys here that were old enough to watch him in HS said it was like nothing they had ever seen. They said it wasn't uncommon for Earl to just drag/carry guys 20-30 yards to the end zone.

I have no problems at all picturing HS kids on his back, hanging on to whatever as Earl chugged on down the field, a legit monster...ESPECIALLY...vs HS kids.

[Avante]

I'd take Faulk because he was more dual threat. Sanders had 15,269 yards rushing but only 2,921 receiving (18,190 total). Faulk had 12,279 rushing and 6,875 receiving (19,154 total). Sanders had 109 total touchdowns. Faulk had 136.

Sanders averaged 5.0 yards a carry which is amazing over a 10 year career. Faulk just 4,3 which is pretty ordinary for "good" backs.

Faulk averaged 9.9 yards a reception, Sanders 8.3.

The big difference is teams couldn't zero in on Faulk because of Holt and Bruce, but....they could zero in on Sanders.

[Avante]

The Top Five non QB old AFLers

1.Lance Alworth Chargers
2.Cookie Gilchrist Bills
3.Don Maynard Jets
4.Ron Mix Chargers
5.Abner Haynes Chiefs

[DMC]

1. Ronnie Lott
2. Jerry Rice
3. Emmitt Smith
4. Barry Sanders
5. Bo Jackson

H.M. Devin Hester, Derrick Coleman, Deion Sanders, Franco Harris.

[Avante]

Fifty years from now will it be.....Tom Brady, GRONK, Antonio Brown....among the greats, hahahaha~~~ Those old timers couldn't play today.

See how silly that is?

If ya understand the game then ya know it's all about vs the era.

High school offensive lines today that would dwarf those Lombardi Packer teams...........so what.

[monosylab1k]

1. Ronnie Lott
2. Jerry Rice
3. Emmitt Smith
4. Barry Sanders
5. Bo Jackson

H.M. Devin Hester, Derrick Coleman, Deion Sanders, Franco Harris.

:lol trying too hard tbh

[DMC]

:lol trying too hard tbh

True, meant Derrick Thomas tbh

Don't even know who Derrick Coleman is.

[Avante]

True, meant Derrick Thomas tbh

Don't even know who Derrick Coleman is.

Derrick Coleman was a fullback at UCLA. Bounced around the NFL, ah...Falcons, Seahawks, Vikes maybe more, yep, a pretty nothing career.

[Avante]

Top Five RB's Who Never Had a 1000 Yard Season

1.Hugh "The King" McElhenny Washington/Niners
2.Willie Galimore FAMU/Bears
3.Alan Ameche Wisconsin/Colts
4.Matt Snell Ohio St/Jets
5.Frank Gifford USC/Giants

[SpursforSix]

Top Five RB's Who Never Had a 1000 Yard Season

1.Hugh "The King" McElhenny Washington/Niners
2.Willie Galimore FAMU/Bears
3.Alan Ameche Wisconsin/Colts
4.Matt Snell Ohio St/Jets
5.Frank Gifford USC/Giants

1. Bo Jackson

[Raven]

Rob Gronkowski
Aron Hernandez

(it still hurtz)

[Avante]

1. Bo Jackson

Anytime we have one of these...The Top...The Best, we must go with what was accually accomplished vs the era. There are no RB's any more physically imposing than Bo Jackson, and his speed/size combo right there with Herschel Walker. BUT.....he didn't have the career those I mentioned did, he only had 2,782 yards rushing, that will not work vs those I listed. Hell, Gifford had over 8000 yards rushing/receiving, all the rest well over 4000 yards except Galimore*** who also had a short career (car wreck) but had more yards than Jackson and far more TD's.

The guys I missed on were Ollie Matson and Marion Motley....EL DUH. Hell, Don Perkins?

*** in his day his speed was just as dramatic as Bo's, and like Bo he shared carries, the Bears had fulback Rick Casares, he did have a 1000 yard season.

[Isitjustme?]

Surprised not more JJ Watt mentions tbh

[phxspurfan]

Deion
Lawrence Taylor
Rice
Emmitt Smith
Blake Bortles

[spurraider21]

i dont think emmitt belongs on this list at all tbh... his longevity certainly is epic, but his production is a result of that and playing behind a dominant OL for much of his career. he's the all time leader in rushing attempts by about 600, most games played by a rb...

[Avante]

The stat ya look at with RB's is....average per carry. Smith had six seasons with a less that 4.0 average, his career average a very average....4.2. He doesn't belong on any all time list other than Cowboys.

Now, with bulldozer type RB's like Bettis, Riggins, a 3.9/4.0, will work.

I've talked about Mack "The Truck" Lee Hill, he was a bulldozer, and had a 5.0 average bulldozing, what a shame his career was cut short. Amazing runner.

An injury cost him his senior season at SoU so he wasn't known, signed on as a free agent with the Chiefs.

[SpursforSix]

i dont think emmitt belongs on this list at all tbh... his longevity certainly is epic, but his production is a result of that and playing behind a dominant OL for much of his career. he's the all time leader in rushing attempts by about 600, most games played by a rb...

I agree and I'm a CB fan. He was a good runner in a great circumstance. He had a few fantastic highlights but watching his whole body of work, he's not at the same level as Sanders, Faulk, etc.

[Blake]

i dont think emmitt belongs on this list at all tbh... his longevity certainly is epic, but his production is a result of that and playing behind a dominant OL for much of his career. he's the all time leader in rushing attempts by about 600, most games played by a rb...

I hate this argument about Emmitt. I get it, but if you look closer it's flawed.

[spurraider21]

I hate this argument about Emmitt. I get it, but if you look closer it's flawed.
i can say right now that antonio brown is a better receiver than tim brown ever was. i dont need to wait for him to play 5 more seasons and surpass him in catches/yards to make that call

[Blake]

i can say right now that antonio brown is a better receiver than tim brown ever was. i dont need to wait for him to play 5 more seasons and surpass him in catches/yards to make that call

I'd say Barry is the best runner of the ball ever. I'd say Smith is the best overall complete back ever.

[Avante]

I wouldn't have Emmitt Smith in my top 10 RB list.

Just tossing out names I put ahead of him.

Tomlinson, Faulk, Brown, Dickerson, Payton, Sanders, Simpson, Campbell, Sayers, Allen.

[Will Hunting]

He didn’t have the career or consistency others had, but peak Randy Moss is easily the most dominant non-QB of all time.

[leemajors]

I agree and I'm a CB fan. He was a good runner in a great circumstance. He had a few fantastic highlights but watching his whole body of work, he's not at the same level as Sanders, Faulk, etc.

Not many players would grind playing with a separated shoulder, much less giving LT a stiff arm with his fucked up arm. He played that whole game against the Giants with a severely separated shoulder, and got pissed as Jimmy for trying to use him as a decoy. I think about that game when I remember he went to the Cardinals.

[Avante]

He didn’t have the career or consistency others had, but peak Randy Moss is easily the most dominant non-QB of all time.

Nope, that would be Don Hutson and it's really not close.

[Will Hunting]

Nope, that would be Don Hutson and it's really not close.
Yeah I don’t give a fuck about some white scrub who dominated a league full of other white scrubs.

Was he the George Clooney character in the movie leatherheads?

[Avante]

Yeah I don’t give a fuck about some white scrub who dominated a league full of other white scrubs.

Was he the George Clooney character in the movie leatherheads?

Then why say......of all time? You didn't know what...of all time...in the NFL means?

Don Hutson was without question the most dominant non QB ever, IF...talking the real ...of all time.

[Will Hunting]

Then why say......of all time? You didn't know what...of all time...in the NFL means?

Don Hutson was without question the most dominant non QB ever, IF...talking the real ...of all time.
I didn’t make the thread title, don’t look at me.

Randy Moss is the most dominant non-QB since Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier for black athletes in pro sports.

Is that better?

[Avante]

I didn’t make the thread title, don’t look at me.

Randy Moss is the most dominant non-QB since Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier for black athletes in pro sports.

Is that better?

I was talking about you saying this....He didn’t have the career or consistency others had, but peak Randy Moss is easily the most dominant non-QB of all time.

See.....of all time...?

Jackie Robinson 's older brother Mack won the Olympic silver medal in the 200m in 1936, noway in hell Jackie broke the color barrier for athletes.

Hell, black RB Kenny Washington was playing in the NFL before Robinson was playing MLB.

[Blake]

I wouldn't have Emmitt Smith in my top 10 RB list.

Just tossing out names I put ahead of him.

Tomlinson, Faulk, Brown, Dickerson, Payton, Sanders, Simpson, Campbell, Sayers, Allen.

Well you're stupid so nobody cares

[Blake]

Not many players would grind playing with a separated shoulder, much less giving LT a stiff arm with his fucked up arm. He played that whole game against the Giants with a severely separated shoulder, and got pissed as Jimmy for trying to use him as a decoy. I think about that game when I remember he went to the Cardinals.

That game.

[Blake]

Was he the George Clooney character in the movie leatherheads?

Lol

[Avante]

In all my years of watching football at all levels I've never seen a RB have bigger holes to run thru than Emmitt Smith. So many times he was 4 yards down the field before he encountered a defender. Noway in hell this guy belongs in any ..THE GREATEST..conversations.

[spurraider21]

to me its like saying favre is the best QB ever because he didnt miss games, played through injuries, etc.

its certainly part of the legend of favre, but it's not making him better than montana, brady, manning

[Avante]

Anytime we see......OF ALL TIME....then it does become an era thing. That is....ALL TIME. So to ignore the past greats because they couldn't play today is silly and there goes....OF ALL TIME.

No RB ever made a bigger impact on the game than Red Grange. You cannot talk ALL TIME without Red Grange.

Don Hutson was on a whole other level than any WR ever. What he was doing had never been seen before. If ever there was an ALL TIMER....here he is.

What happens "here" is nobody really gets the history of the game. So unless you do ya might wanna cool.....OF ALL TIME.

Hutson was having 70 catch seasons where the next guy was having 25 catch seasons. How dominant is that?

[SpursforSix]

Not many players would grind playing with a separated shoulder, much less giving LT a stiff arm with his fucked up arm. He played that whole game against the Giants with a severely separated shoulder, and got pissed as Jimmy for trying to use him as a decoy. I think about that game when I remember he went to the Cardinals.

I loved Smith. And I agree that he was a tough dude and made a ton of great plays. I just don't put him up there in the discussion of the best RB ever. IMO of course.

[Chucho]

Adam Vineteirrai. 3 rings, 1 foot. Brady isn't GOAT without dude's boot.

[Avante]

Adam Vineteirrai. 3 rings, 1 foot. Brady isn't GOAT without dude's boot.

So if no Vineteirrai who would be the GOAT in place of Brady?

[Chucho]

So if no Vineteirrai who would be the GOAT in place of Brady?

Peyton by and far. Rings in football to judge individual player accomplishments is stupid with 21 other starters having a say. It's why I laugh when Brady and Jordan comparison are made
Throw in the Pats cheating escapades and I'm not as impressed with Brady as most. He's almost a football equivalent of Kobe but a few notices higher, but because he's juicing and hasn't left the team a barren wasteland.

[Avante]

Peyton by and far. Rings in football to judge individual player accomplishments is stupid with 21 other starters having a say. It's why I laugh when Brady and Jordan comparison are made
Throw in the Pats cheating escapades and I'm not as impressed with Brady as most. He's almost a football equivalent of Kobe but a few notices higher, but because he's juicing and hasn't left the team a barren wasteland.

You never ever ever accuse anyone of PED's usuage without proof, got it?

[Blake]

What about PEDO usage

[chunticakes]

Anytime we see......OF ALL TIME....then it does become an era thing. That is....ALL TIME. So to ignore the past greats because they couldn't play today is silly and there goes....OF ALL TIME.

No RB ever made a bigger impact on the game than Red Grange. You cannot talk ALL TIME without Red Grange.

Don Hutson was on a whole other level than any WR ever. What he was doing had never been seen before. If ever there was an ALL TIMER....here he is.

What happens "here" is nobody really gets the history of the game. So unless you do ya might wanna cool.....OF ALL TIME.

Hutson was having 70 catch seasons where the next guy was having 25 catch seasons. How dominant is that?

The galloping ghost.

[Avante]

The galloping ghost.

The greatest nickname in football.

[Chucho]

You never ever ever accuse anyone of PED's usuage without proof, got it?
I did. He's a notorious cheater and to put up these numbers at 40+, that's plenty of circumstantial evidence, like OJ levels of evidence.

[Avante]

I did. He's a notorious cheater and to put up these numbers at 40+, that's plenty of circumstantial evidence, like OJ levels of evidence.

You obviously know....0...about sports.

[Chucho]

You obviously know....0...about sports.

Your opinion means jack shit.

[Avante]

Your opinion means jack shit.

Dude, talk to me about the first BOSTON Patriots QB, yep, ya can't. Dude, you're stupid for a reason. How about Larry Garron, yep, ya never heard of him.

Fucking moron.

[Chucho]

Dude, talk to me about the first BOSTON Patriots QB, yep, ya can't. Dude, you're stupid for a reason. How about Larry Garron, yep, ya never heard of him.

Fucking moron.

No one cares.

[Avante]

No one cares.

Dude, the second I'm proven wrong about somehing, trust me stupid, everybody cares.

Stupid, if you think Brady is taking ILLEGAL PED'S you're dumber than I thought, if possible.