Kawhis Uncle wants Kawhi in LA

[spurs10]

This looks like two different threads here, one about his health and one about him being traded and for what. Either way it’s bad news...extremely so. I do like the idea of getting on with it, meaning do what ya gotta do. Hayward's horrible situation comes to mind. Everyone knew he was out for the season and mentally prepared for that.

[Ice009]

The Spurs just need to release some real info. If Kawhi's camp is holding back information on where he is at progression wise, get the NBA to step in and ask what is going on.

[Stabula]

You people are really bored aren't you?

[YGWHI]

So Woj is a liar? If Kawhi doesn’t want out, then why even bother leaking the info to Woj that the relationship is chilly?
I never heard Woj saying Kawhi wants out.

I guess he says something like "Kawhi's rehab creating chilling effect with the team" but Woj never said Kawhi doesn't feel comfortable with the roster construction nor he wants to go to LA. That's BS, just lies.

"Months of discord centering on elements of treatment, rehabilitation and timetables for return from a right quadriceps injury have had a chilling impact on the relationship"
What Woj said is right. Of course Kawhi and Spurs medical staff have issues. At this point, after the 2nd opinions, the different approaches to the injury, the whole "summer non-treatment", it's not a secret anymore.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22179536/kawhi-leonard-relationship-san-antonio-spurs-becoming-strained

IDK...I re-read the article. Woj never talks about a possible Kawhi's departure.

Why they would bother leaking the info to Woj?
Well, one part feels the other made a big mistake in the summer about his injury. On other hand, the team is doing damage control in public about this.

Both parts are frustrated, Kawhi is frustrated because he's having a lost season and Spurs are frustrated that he doesn't trust them after mishandeling the injury.

"Chilling impact" doesn't mean a broken relationship, right? If the Spurs offer the supermax Kawhi will sign the extension, without doubts.

After 6 season people should know that Kawhi loves stability more than anything. In his private life, in his job...

He also wants lifetime financial security. Growing up in a poor and violent place like Moreno Valley, being the younger son of a single mom, things like these made an impact on Kawhi.

But if the Spurs don't give him the max or they thought Kawhi would take a paycut in his just 2nd max contract, or his injury whatever...That's the only scenario where I can see Kawhi being traded.

[YGWHI]

Hayward's horrible situation comes to mind. Everyone knew he was out for the season and mentally prepared for that.

How fast people forget that Utah didn't give Hayward the max extension in 2014 then they just matched the offer he got. That's when they already lost him, not in 2017.

One of the most common reasons why teams lose their stars is when FOs are reluctant to pay big money to them. Plain and simple.

[tbdog]

How fast people forget that Utah didn't give Hayward the max extension in 2014 then they just matched the offer he got. That's when they already lost him, not in 2017.

One of the most common reasons why teams lose their stars is when FOs are reluctant to pay big money to them. Plain and simple.

Spurs use to offer TD two contracts. One was the max. The other was less than but they would then explain what their plan was to use the cap space. TD started taking less than the max.

[BillMc]

I never heard Woj saying Kawhi wants out.

I guess he says something like "Kawhi's rehab creating chilling effect with the team" but Woj never said Kawhi doesn't feel comfortable with the roster construction nor he wants to go to LA. That's BS, just lies.

"Months of discord centering on elements of treatment, rehabilitation and timetables for return from a right quadriceps injury have had a chilling impact on the relationship"
What Woj said is right. Of course Kawhi and Spurs medical staff have issues. At this point, after the 2nd opinions, the different approaches to the injury, the whole "summer non-treatment", it's not a secret anymore.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22179536/kawhi-leonard-relationship-san-antonio-spurs-becoming-strained

IDK...I re-read the article. Woj never talks about a possible Kawhi's departure.

Why they would bother leaking the info to Woj?
Well, one part feels the other made a big mistake in the summer about his injury. On other hand, the team is doing damage control in public about this.

Both parts are frustrated, Kawhi is frustrated because he's having a lost season and Spurs are frustrated that he doesn't trust them after mishandeling the injury.

"Chilling impact" doesn't mean a broken relationship, right? If the Spurs offer the supermax Kawhi will sign the extension, without doubts.

After 6 season people should know that Kawhi loves stability more than anything. In his private life, in his job...

He also wants lifetime financial security. Growing up in a poor and violent place like Moreno Valley, being the younger son of a single mom, things like these made an impact on Kawhi.

But if the Spurs don't give him the max or they thought Kawhi would take a paycut in his just 2nd max contract, or his injury whatever...That's the only scenario where I can see Kawhi being traded.

This is all true and well said. Jalen and SAS are the ones that said he wants out. Who knows where they got that from.

[YGWHI]

So Kawhi also doesn't want to be in LA full-time?
Not full-time.
He loves to train there in the summer, he loves to go to SDSU JAM -in fact this ASG weekend he was working there- but not living full time.

He wants stability and he won't find it in LA for multiple reasons.


I won't ask what those family issues are, but if he were to leave, it wouldn't be for LA, right?
Right.

But I doubt Kawhi would have a word in a trade.

PG13 didn't choose OKC, Thomas didn't even want to be traded...Players without non-trade clause can't take any decision about it.

[YGWHI]

Spurs use to offer TD two contracts. One was the max. The other was less than but they would then explain what their plan was to use the cap space. TD started taking less than the max.

And you know that Tim was unique, right?. Tim and Pop were like family. Kawhi had his own tragedies in his life to feel PATFO are the coach and the general maganer of a team while family is just his mom and his daughter.

That's why Jabari Young said Spurs could alienate Kawhi. He's not the best friend of Spurs FO like Tim was. He's not Tim. PATFO/Tim relationship is impossible to repeat.

[YGWHI]

For example, Kawhi has his own trainer and friends who help him in his workouts in SD. These guys have been working with him since his freshman year at SDSU, almost 8-9 years ago...But some people on Spurs' team expected they work in SA esp after Tim's retirement.

Well, they shouldn't force Kawhi to do things just because "Tim did it". Kawhi wants greatness in his own way because there was only one TIM DUNCAN, no one can be or will be like him.

[YGWHI]

Jalen and SAS are the ones that said he wants out.
Both are ESPN b*tches. They could have heard just what Woj heard about the "chilling impact on the relationship" but they added drama "Quiet Kawhi wants leave SA...One of best NBA franchises will lose the best player...Ohh Ahh..." because their morbid and unwatcheable shows need all that BS.

[SayTown]

Damn we should have just tanked this year which would explain the roster moves this past off-season but for some reason Pop and the team haven't been able to execute the tank plan.

[wildbill2u]

Problems always occur when family members become agents. Why? They are not professional agents and know they have this one big chance at good money--the limits of juniors career. If they can persuade a player to take a bigger offer, then they make more money during the lifetime of the contract. When a player retires or gets older or has an injury that limits or reduces his income, the family member's income is reduced. So their advice is always to get the big money while you can, bro.

Which may not be bad advice. Going to a bigger more glamorous market where name recognition builds nationally can drive income up in other ways than salary--movie deals (attack of the mute zombies), advertising name brands (if you are a name brand), accessories, businesses. How many really really fine players who stayed in small markets for most of their careers made lots of outside income.

[rasuo214]

Spurs use to offer TD two contracts. One was the max. The other was less than but they would then explain what their plan was to use the cap space. TD started taking less than the max.

I don't remember what the max was for TD 10+ years ago but it wasn't like TD was taking massive paycuts in his mid 20s. It wasn't until his mid 30s that he took a paycut (it was still 32% of the cap and only slightly less than what Kawhi will make this season) but he was still making relatively good money. To put it into perspective TD averaged around $10 M a season during his final 5 seasons which is about the equivalent of $17 M in the current era, just as a comparison Kawhi would make slightly less than $19 M this season.

If anything Tony and Manu are much better examples of guys who could have likely made significantly more elsewhere. I don't know if it's revisionist history or what but I don't know why anyone would expect a player in his prime to take a paycut, whether it's Hayward, Kawhi or anyone else.

[Play Boban]

I wish I could get paid millions to sit on my ass like Kawhi tbh.

[Play Boban]

Problems always occur when family members become agents. Why? They are not professional agents and know they have this one big chance at good money--the limits of juniors career. If they can persuade a player to take a bigger offer, then they make more money during the lifetime of the contract. When a player retires or gets older or has an injury that limits or reduces his income, the family member's income is reduced. So their advice is always to get the big money while you can, bro.

Which may not be bad advice. Going to a bigger more glamorous market where name recognition builds nationally can drive income up in other ways than salary--movie deals (attack of the mute zombies), advertising name brands (if you are a name brand), accessories, businesses. How many really really fine players who stayed in small markets for most of their careers made lots of outside income.
So true. So damn true.

[rasuo214]

I wish I could get paid millions to sit on my ass like Kawhi tbh.


Grow to 6 foot 6 or taller, have absurdly large hands and wing span, then work your ass off for years to become a talented basketball player. Should be pretty simple, feel free to send me a check when you get it done. :toast

[Keepin' it real]

I wish I could get paid millions to sit on my ass like Kawhi tbh.

:cry

[Dre_7]

Was told this today from a pretty reliable source.


Source?

I don't buy it.

[MaNu4Tres]

Not asking anyone to buy anything.

People will believe what they want to.

I wouldn't make a thread if I didn't believe my source or if I didn't think my source was credible.

[Dre_7]

Not asking anyone to buy anything.

People will believe what they want to.

I wouldn't make a thread if I didn't believe my source or if I didn't think my source was credible.

Fair enough. Just find it funny that a source would talk to a message board poster but not anyone else in the media. Just seems weird, that's all. I don't trust people online that claim they have sources after the whole Pau/T Spence situation.

[Robz4000]

Fair enough. Just find it funny that a source would talk to a message board poster but not anyone else in the media. Just seems weird, that's all. I don't trust people online that claim they have sources after the whole Pau/T Spence situation.

Tspence is legit; I don't believe in anything until he or Wojtek reports it.

[MaNu4Tres]

Fair enough. Just find it funny that a source would talk to a message board poster but not anyone else in the media. Just seems weird, that's all. I don't trust people online that claim they have sources after the whole Pau/T Spence situation.

I know this may sound crazy, but there's some people here that are more than just message board posters.

[Dre_7]

I know this may sound crazy, but there's some people here that are more than just message board posters.

Obviously. I am just saying, something that juicy would be made into a story. If someone reports it, then it will have some legs.

[Dre_7]

Tspence is legit; I don't believe in anything until he or Wojtek reports it.

Wojtek! Legend! :lol

[MoSpur02]

I am the first one to say I don't Kawhi want playing anywhere else, but San Antonio. I hope that the information I was given doesn't pan out. I would hate the Spurs to trade Kawhi or hate to see him Not resign this summer. However, I like MaNu4Tres was given information by a very reliable source. I would never say who because that person is a very good friend and would hate for them to get in trouble. This person I know is legit and has no reason at all to lie. I believe what I was told. If that makes me wrong or dumb to believe it so be it. It doesn't matter to me. I actually hope the information told to me turns out to be nothing.

[SAGirl]

This is all true and well said. Jalen and SAS are the ones that said he wants out. Who knows where they got that from.
The uncle obviously...

[MaNu4Tres]

I am the first one to say I don't want playing anywhere else, but San Antonio. I hope that the information I was given doesn't pan out. I would hate the Spurs to trade Kawhi or hate to see him Not resign this summer. However, I like MaNu4Tres was given information by a very reliable source. I would never say who because that person is a very good friend and would hate for them to get in trouble. This person I know is legit and has no reason at all to lie. I believe what I was told. If that makes me wrong or dumb to believe it so be it. It doesn't matter to me. I actually hope the information told to me turns out to be nothing.

Co sign.

Thanks Mo.

[Play Boban]

Grow to 6 foot 6 or taller, have absurdly large hands and wing span, then work your ass off for years to become a talented basketball player. Should be pretty simple, feel free to send me a check when you get it done. :toast

:bobo

[TD 21]

You don't get to have this as fiat like you think. Kawhi is hurt (apparently) to a point where the team doctors don't know what's going on or when he's going to be back. Assuming he's healthy for a trade makes no sense, because he should have been healthy already. At this point, it's possible that it never gets better. That legitimately happens with injuries. One of the main sources of "rumor" that started this thread is about just such a thing -- Leonard getting a career-endangering diagnosis. So no, Kawhi has to be healthy first before we start acting like that's the player the team is trading away.

So now you're going to tell me what I meant? However misguided you believe it to be, it was obvious I was operating under the assumption of this not being a career altering injury, at least in the short term. Until told otherwise, I always operate that way with injuries. So to me, until proven otherwise, Leonard is a top 3 player and retains the value that comes with that.


I find this hypocritical. You act like you position is self-evident and then complain if others don't hedge their stances enough. No one has said anything about what Boston would offer or even if they would offer, just like no one said anything about the Thunder being willing to trade Harden and Ibaka for Duncan despite you constantly bringing up how the Spurs should just make that trade. So acting as if Tatum and Brown is some objective standard for what Boston should offer or SA should accept is main inertia against a meaningful conversation. You can't just assume who's going to offer what and what PATFO will think is best out of what they'd get. It's just your opinion. I totally get not having to say "I think" or "In my opinion" about everything. It's annoying to do that when folks should be able to tell the difference between facts and beliefs. But what I don't get is the periodic cries of foul when something comes off as me trying to "be the smartest guy in the room". In a case about trading Kawhi, we're all equally in the dark, and any of us who are actually fans are quite concerned.

Those are not one in the same. I'm clear and concise in what I'm saying. You on the other hand, have some awkward, convoluted writing style. Case in point is this supposed Harden and Ibaka for Duncan rumor you mention and your claim that I constantly supported Spurs doing that, when I'd never so much as heard of it. Bizarre.

Obviously this is in my opinion, but as you alluded to, that should go without saying. I didn't say Celtics would 100% offer this, I said, after doing due diligence, as long as they're confident in Leonard returning to form, they should offer it and if Spurs can't convince Leonard to re-sign, they should accept.


I didn't leave out their most valuable pick. The post you replied to specifically mentioned LAL/SAC and said that the other picks they had weren't great. As far as your attempt at finding an inconsistency, Boston damned sure shouldn't think a potential pick in the second half of the lottery is the same as a guy they JUST drafted at third. That's even more so given that Tatum was their first-overall prospect. It's fine for another team to disagree on Tatum's value (Philly and LAL did obviously), but for Boston to do it with their own picks is absurd.

Fair enough.


Hield -- bench player now. Lavine and Dunn -- injured or having just come back (which hurts because Dunn was killing it for my FBB team). Williams and Beverly -- completely necessary salary for Houston to send out. Could not have done the trade without. Sabonis and Vic -- sucked relatively with OKC; no way was Sabonis certain. Those are the absolute downside for the Spurs outside of Dunn and Lavine (and the ninth pick), depending on how they work out. In a way, you're right that in this market, no one is getting traded for perceived value anymore. But at the same time, the closest example of a potential Leonard trade was the George trade, and Sabonis and Oladipo weren't too much different from Harris and two lottery picks (and getting rid of salary). In each or most of those deals, we saw Boston balk at including Tatum/the pick that would become Tatum. He did the same for Kyrie. I don't think he pull the trigger for Kawhi with Hayward coming back. I may not be a huge believer in Tatum, but he has done nothing to dissuade folks that liked him.

I'm aware of the reasons why some were included, but the point stands: All were proven rotation players save for Dunn and Sabonis, who it was easy to envision as. People just overreacted to unimpressive rookie seasons and jumped to conclusions because that's how it works with this league, especially in this era.

Again, given what I said initially in this reply, George isn't in Leonard's class. You're also conveniently ignoring how the calculus changed from when Celtics were attempting to trade for George to now. They didn't have Hayward and Irving at that point. Adding a healthy Leonard would put the finishing touches on a certified contender.

[ulosturedge]

Seems like a couple of scenarios are being merged here which makes zero sense. I mean are people trying to say Kawhi is faking an injury because he's all the sudden not happy being a Spur? Or are people saying coincidentally Kawhi is unhappy while he is coping with his recent injury? lol

Wouldn't that be the stupidest thing an NBA player would do? I mean then he would be risking serious action from the team he is under contract with as well as with the NBA.

This all points to an injury problem nothing more. Which is serious within itself. Maybe beyond that arises a situation with a new contract, but that's after the fact.

[MaNu4Tres]

Seems like a couple of scenarios are being merged here which makes zero sense. I mean are people trying to say Kawhi is faking an injury because he's all the sudden not happy being a Spur? Or are people saying coincidentally Kawhi is unhappy while he is coping with his recent injury? lol

Wouldn't that be the stupidest thing an NBA player would do? I mean then he would be risking serious action from the team he is under contract with as well as with the NBA.

This all points to an injury problem nothing more. Which is serious within itself. Maybe beyond that arises a situation with a new contract, but that's after the fact.

Or people are saying Kawhis Uncle has been in Kawhis ear about LA for his next contract, and that Spurs are irritated & frustrated with how Robertson is Kawhis' gatekeeper & feel Robertson has negatively effected the relationship between Kawhi and the Spurs.

Reading better can help.

[spurs10]

How fast people forget that Utah didn't give Hayward the max extension in 2014 then they just matched the offer he got. That's when they already lost him, not in 2017.

One of the most common reasons why teams lose their stars is when FOs are reluctant to pay big money to them. Plain and simple.
:toast Yes I think the Spurs know how important he is to the franchise. All this being said, they did give him a $90 million deal and this season is pretty telling in how much we need him.

[Russ]

I suspect that Kawhi is more concerned with getting max money than where he plays.

If anything explains Kawhi's behavior my bet is it's about money and/or the fear of losing it (at least in Kawhi's mind).

[ulosturedge]

Or people are saying Kawhis Uncle has been in Kawhis ear about LA for his next contract, and that Spurs are irritated & frustrated with how Robertson is Kawhis' gatekeeper & feel Robertson has negatively effected the relationship between Kawhi and the Spurs.

Reading better can help.

Well I think your theory is shit lol, and I doubt it has much bearing around the injury situation.

[spurs10]

I suspect that Kawhi is more concerned with getting max money than where he plays.

If anything explains Kawhi's behavior my bet is it's about money and/or the fear of losing it (at least in Kawhi's mind). His existing contract with the Spurs is $90 million. He’s not scrambling for rent.

[MaNu4Tres]

Well I think your theory is shit lol, and I doubt it has much bearing around the injury situation.

Well I think you need to do a better job reading. And thats not my theory.

[Ice009]

Can he get the Supermax from another team if he's traded? or are the Spurs the only team he can get it with?

[cd98]

Can he get the Supermax from another team if he's traded? or is the Spurs the only team he can get it with?

Spurs are the only team that can give him the super max and if he’s traded, he can’t get it. That’s why Cousins wanted to re-sign in Sacramento, but Kings didn’t want to pay the super max to him so they traded him. The Pelicans couldn’t offer the super max.

[sasaint]

Can he get the Supermax from another team if he's traded? or is the Spurs the only team he can get it with?

Spurs are the only team that can offer it.

[lmbebo]

So how much does he lose if he walks away or gets traded compared to the supermax?

[cd98]

So how much does he lose if he walks away or gets traded compared to the supermax?

I believe it allows the Spurs to offer $70 million more than everybody else. Hard to walk from that.

[Dex]

I suspect that Kawhi is more concerned with getting max money than where he plays.

If anything explains Kawhi's behavior my bet is it's about money and/or the fear of losing it (at least in Kawhi's mind).

I'm sure that's something he is concerned about. The question is how much he blames on poor luck and circumstance, and how much he blames the Spurs for misdiagnosing the injury which could theoretically end up costing him millions.

I don't subscribe to the theory that he is upset about the roster, and if he was, why would he bolt to L.A?

The Lakers have been mismanaged for half a decade, are still stuck with bloated contracts worse than Pau and Patty's, and gave away their best assets to Cleveland in a hail-mary attempt to make cap-space for Lebron (which, ironically, could backfire on them if the pieces they sent to the Cavs end up convincing him to stay).

They will still be the same piss-poor team they have been unless Lebron or PG decide to come...and even that's probably not enough to put them over the hump immediately.

[MultiTroll]

I believe it allows the Spurs to offer $70 million more than everybody else. Hard to walk from that.
LA market endorsement money >>>>>>>>> 2nd round exits with Greg Popplevich.

I could tolerate Kahwi as a Clipper.
If he becomes a Laker Phaggot, while the thought is stomach churning if he combined with Lebron it could be $$$ heaven for him for endorsements. Far surpass his Spurs salary.

[cd98]

LA market endorsement money >>>>>>>>> 2nd round exits with Greg Popplevich.

I could tolerate Kahwi as a Clipper.
If he becomes a Laker Phaggot, while the thought is stomach churning if he combined with Lebron it could be $$$ heaven for him for endorsements. Far surpass his Spurs salary.

HEB steps up...I think it has been put out there that guys like Kawhi don't make more in marketing if they go to LA to play. LeBron never went to NY or LA. He's in every commercial. Same with Westbrook. I think the $70 million wouldn't be made up in greater endorsement money, esp with a player that is non-charismatic off the court.

[daslicer]

HEB steps up...I think it has been put out there that guys like Kawhi don't make more in marketing if they go to LA to play. LeBron never went to NY or LA. He's in every commercial. Same with Westbrook. I think the $70 million wouldn't be made up in greater endorsement money, esp with a player that is non-charismatic off the court.

I remember listening to an interview by NBA super agent David Falk a year ago. Falk said in the interview when it comes to endorsements that location doesn't matter anymore due to the internet and social media.

[BSfromTX]

If he were traded this summer, he could sign Superman with new team, correct?

[mo7888]

If he were traded this summer, he could sign Superman with new team, correct?

No, he can only sign the supermax with SA

[jermaine]

No, he can only sign the supermax with SA

If he takes the max, how does that affect them signing him help?

[Dre_7]

If he takes the max, how does that affect them signing him help?

They can go over the cap to re-sign him I believe. They would just have to sign the help before Kawhi signs his contract. Hopefully we get an agreement right away in July so we don't have to fret about this anymore.

[dbestpro]

- endorsement money would outweigh taxes
- cost of living is pretty lol-worthy if you're making NBA max dollars
- a lot more things to do than san antonio
- great weather, location, oceans, etc
- different political leaning...

Leonard is not a guy who is going to get endorsements in LA to overtake tax loss unless his character changes.

[cd98]

The Super Max was designed to make it extremely hard for stars to leave them team that drafted and developed them.

[spurraider21]

Leonard is not a guy who is going to get endorsements in LA to overtake tax loss unless his character changes.
any superstar in LA would fall backwards into massive endorsements

[jermaine]

This endorsement bullshit... wtf, you can only get those in LA, NY, or Miami??

[dbreiden83080]

This man is simply soft. So much for him replacing the great Duncan. Here I thought we were so lucky to have another franchise player right after Tim retired. I guess not.

[vy65]

San Antonio Spur Kawhi Leonard produces, stars in movie

https://www.mysanantonio.com/entertainment/entertainment_columnists/jeanne_jakle/article/S-A-Spur-Kawhi-Leonard-produces-stars-in-movie-11025311.php

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[spurraider21]

This endorsement bullshit... wtf, you can only get those in LA, NY, or Miami??
or if you're lebron.

just look at which stars get national commercials.

[Snaq O'Meal]

San Antonio Spur Kawhi Leonard produces, stars in movie

https://www.mysanantonio.com/entertainment/entertainment_columnists/jeanne_jakle/article/S-A-Spur-Kawhi-Leonard-produces-stars-in-movie-11025311.php

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If Kawhi is starring in the movie, I hope he has mastered the 50s style dribbling and shooting to be convincing.

[SpursBig3s]

This whole situation reeks of cover up. Kawhi has been forced to be another Timmy and I believe he doesn’t care much about being “under the radar” or to continue like Timmy..... and I can see family telling him to go get his.

unfortunately this league has become about self promotion and everyone is out to get theirs



Go get his what?? He gets the most money from the Spurs, this makes zero sense

[mo7888]

If he takes the max, how does that affect them signing him help?

What Dre said is correct. I think it's important to note that the only way kawhi can get super-max money from a different team is if he is signed to that contract by the spurs and then traded. I don't mean like in a sign and trade situation though, I mean as in signing him and keeping him until the moratorium is lifted. In this case I believe either December or January would be the 1st eligible date he could be moved. If I were kawhi and I wanted out then I'd try and work with the spurs to make that happen.

[spurs10]

What Dre said is correct. I think it's important to note that the only way kawhi can get super-max money from a different team is if he is signed to that contract by the spurs and then traded. I don't mean like in a sign and trade situation though, I mean as in signing him and keeping him until the moratorium is lifted. In this case I believe either December or January would be the 1st eligible date he could be moved. If I were kawhi and I wanted out then I'd try and work with the spurs to make that happen. Whyin the world would you help someone who has defrauded their contract?

[mo7888]

Whyin the world would you help someone who has defrauded their contract?

Defrauded a contract?

[spurs10]

Defrauded a contract?
He is under a contract to play with a player’s option in 19/20, Why give the supermax to someone just so they can play for someone else. Why would we give a supermax contract to someone leaving in December or January. Just trade him.

[phxspurfan]

He is under a contract to play with a player’s option in 19/20, Why give the supermax to someone just so they can play for someone else. Why would we give a supermax contract to someone leaving in December or January. Just trade him.

Trade deadline has passed. The ship has sailed. That was our best chance to land someone even remotely close to his value. Now we wait for another year and try to trade him next year (or worse, let him go for nothing).

[spurs10]

I’m not suggesting he is being deceitful in not fulfilling his contract. I’m suggesting if a person is not fulfilling their obligations and wants to leave, that would be a supermax dealbreaker. What would the Spurs motivation be?

[phxspurfan]

I’m not suggesting he is being deceitful in not fulfilling his contract. I’m suggesting if a person is not fulfilling their obligations and wants to leave, that would be a supermax dealbreaker. What would the Spurs motivation be?

If they do a deal it's probably based on perception. They don't want to be seen as a FO that lets go of the only talent they have. They did the same with LMA and Gasol. They know SA is not a preferred FA destination, so they always try their best to retain talent. Problem is deciding which talent is worth paying up for (ex. Mills over Simmons).

[spurs10]

Trade deadline has passed. The ship has sailed. That was our best chance to land someone even remotely close to his value. Now we wait for another year and try to trade him next year (or worse, let him go for nothing).
Yes this year has passed. I meant if he wanted out, trade him next year for the best you can get. We are the only team that can offer him the supermax and I’d think he would need to be staying with the team to receive that. It was mentioned there would be a moratorium on trading him if he gets the supermax. I don’t know why we would offer it if he wanted to be traded.

[spurs10]

If they do a deal it's probably based on perception. They don't want to be seen as a FO that lets go of the only talent they have. They did the same with LMA and Gasol. They know SA is not a preferred FA destination, so they always try their best to retain talent. Problem is deciding which talent is worth paying up for (ex. Mills over Simmons).:toast

[phxspurfan]

Yes this year has passed. I meant if he wanted out, trade him next year for the best you can get. We are the only team that can offer him the supermax and I’d think he would need to be staying with the team to receive that. It was mentioned there would be a moratorium on trading him if he gets the supermax. I don’t know why we would offer it if he wanted to be traded.

Sadly next year he becomes a rental, a la Paul George. And not even as good as George, as he would be risky with that stupid injury (unless he is faking it and comes out gangbusters). Then he would be max, worth a 2nd tier star + pick, like Dame Dolla + a 2nd.

I staill maintain if we would have traded him this year he would have fetched 2 2nd tier guys like Dame + McCollum (with a throw in from our side like a 2nd rounder or Green/Murray). Next year he's worth about half that.

[spurs10]

Sadly next year he becomes a rental, a la Paul George. And not even as good as George, as he would be risky with that stupid injury (unless he is faking it and comes out gangbusters). Then he would be max, worth a 2nd tier star + pick, like Dame Dolla + a 2nd.

I staill maintain if we would have traded him this year he would have fetched 2 2nd tier guys like Dame + McCollum (with a throw in from our side like a 2nd rounder or Green/Murray). Next year he's worth about half that.I get it. I’m still hoping he gets over this mysterious injury and comes back wanting to prove himself and get paid the supermax next summer. We’ve already lost quite a bit this year. I hope this nightmare doesn’t continue.

[phxspurfan]

I get it. I’m still hoping he gets over this mysterious injury and comes back wanting to prove himself and get paid the supermax next summer. We’ve already lost quite a bit this year. I hope this nightmare doesn’t continue.

Problem is, if he does that and gets re-injured/shut down due to pain again, it could be a shit sandwich. "His uncle" blaming the Spurs, for "rushing him back" etc. It could be really bad for the franchise's rep if it's mis managed. Almost not worth the risk if the Spurs slip to 6/7 spot in a month anyway.

[hater]

The poor bastard cant even wipe his own ass much less have an uncle that wants him in LA

Fake news

[mo7888]

He is under a contract to play with a player’s option in 19/20, Why give the supermax to someone just so they can play for someone else. Why would we give a supermax contract to someone leaving in December or January. Just trade him.

We would do it to get back value. If we trade him this summer he can opt out next summer with his new team, therefore his value is based on what a team will give you knowing they could lose him after 1 year and if everyone thinks he wants to be in LA then really only one team is your trade market. If you sign him for 5 years and trade him later the team you trade with knows they control his destiny for 5 years and his value will be based on that. In the latter scenario you literally have the whole NBA as a trade possibility instead of just the Lakers. This greater market should increase the return we'd get if we move him.

[Atl Spur]

RELAX! Some people want to cry over everything; let the story unfold properly. Some of you speak so reckless and will probably have to end up eating crow........

[spurs10]

We would do it to get back value. If we trade him this summer he can opt out next summer with his new team, therefore his value is based on what a team will give you knowing they could lose him after 1 year and if everyone thinks he wants to be in LA then really only one team is your trade market. If you sign him for 5 years and trade him later the team you trade with knows they control his destiny for 5 years and his value will be based on that. In the latter scenario you literally have the whole NBA as a trade possibility instead of just the Lakers. This greater market should increase the return we'd get if we move him.
Thanks! As phxspurfan was saying he’d be a rental. It seems like if he does sign a supermax deal with him we would want something pretty sweet before we’d let him go. It’s like Pop told LMA ‘sure get me Durant’ and no problem.

[spurs10]

RELAX! Some people want to cry over everything; let the story unfold properly. Some of you speak so reckless and will probably have to end up eating crow........ Let’s hope so! There is only one good ending here!

[daslicer]

Which one of you posters is this guy

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[313]

The poor bastard cant even wipe his own ass much less have an uncle that wants him in LA

Fake news

[offset formation]

I know this may sound crazy, but there's some people here that are more than just message board posters.

No, you'd still just be a fucking message board poster. Quit acting uppity.

[james evans]

f he wants to have a career with the stats, endorsements, and fame, he should leave. He shouldnt stay just to keep popovich wining 50+ games ever year only to get to the playoffs and Pop still experimenting with lineups. I don't blame him. This is 2018,

[YGWHI]

Leonard is not a guy who is going to get endorsements in LA to overtake tax loss unless his character changes.



This endorsement bullshit... wtf, you can only get those in LA, NY, or Miami??


any superstar in LA would fall backwards into massive endorsements
Lakers/Clips are non playoffs teams, they will suck for the next 5-6 years or more since their rebuilding processes don't look well at all. No one gets endorsements just for playing for them now.

Also, people act here like Kawhi couldn't sell a shit playing for Spurs.

Last season, he was top 6th on selling NBA jerseys over guys like Harden Porzingis Butler Klay playing in bigger markets...
http://www.nba.com/article/2017/04/11/nba-most-popular-jersey-sales-2016-17-regular-season#/

He had a Jordan National commercial on Christams day even when he played only 9 games this season.

[YGWHI]

Fair enough. Just find it funny that a source would talk to a message board poster but not anyone else in the media. Just seems weird, that's all.


Spurs have been irritated and would rather him sit out until he either gets traded or til he's mentally committed to the Spurs again.... He's more healthy now than he was when he first came back.

I wouldn't buy a story where a winning franchise and HOF coach wouldn't play a "healthy" player just because he's disconnected with the team...

They put at risk +50 wins streak and 2018 playoffs performances just because they want to send a message to their best player...?

I thought Pop was smarter than that.

Sorry, but this sounds so incoherent that makes me :lol hard

[bklynspursfan]

I wouldn't buy a story where a winning franchise and HOF coach wouldn't play a "healthy" player just because he's disconnected with the team...

They put at risk +50 wins streak and 2018 playoffs performances just because they want to send a message to their best player...?

I thought Pop was smarter than that.

Sorry, but this sounds so incoherent that makes me :lol hard

I mean they played Aldridge when he clearly wanted out last season. I guess anything's possible, but def seems a bit crazy to think they're sitting him

[MaNu4Tres]

I wouldn't buy a story where a winning franchise and HOF coach wouldn't play a "healthy" player just because he's disconnected with the team...

They put at risk +50 wins streak and 2018 playoffs performances just because they want to send a message to their best player...?

I thought Pop was smarter than that.

Sorry, but this sounds so incoherent that makes me :lol hard

I don't think anyone is asking you to buy anything.

I know you're still a 24 yr old kid, and I know you're a Kawhi fan boy that can't believe anything negative that is said about Kawhi and the Spurs. So I'm not surprised at your defensive comments and personal biased beliefs -- implying nothing is wrong and I'm here just to tell stories.

Both sides have issues with eachother. And Kawhi is more healthy now than he was when he first came back. He actually was cleared and healthy enough to keep playing according to the doctors the Spurs brought in from all over the world.

Can the issues be fixed? There's still time for that to possibly be the case, but Kawhi's Uncle is not helping anything between Kawhi and the Spurs, and he has been in his ear about playing in LA his next contract.

This is from someone I acknowledge as pretty damn credible.

[YGWHI]

They can go over the cap to re-sign him I believe. They would just have to sign the help before Kawhi signs his contract. Hopefully we get an agreement right away in July so we don't have to fret about this anymore.

Even if Kawhi was healthy, playing at MVP level and the Spurs making WCF again this season, I guess they would be reluctant to give Kawhi the supermax too.

Not sure if they financial able to go over the cap for 2 seasons after 2020 which means Kawhi supermax +LMA extension + some role players deals.

Also, Holt isn't the only owner but has 40% of the team...Owner's divorces always cause panic among investors in every city.

Pop isn't getting young...Why would they give a supermax contract if they would start a rebuilding process when Pop retires?

Sadly, there are many non-basketball related factors that could make owners not to approve a super-max deal this next offseason.

And like I've said before this is the only scenario where I can see Kawhi being traded, if the Spurs don't want to give him that deal.

[Ice009]

Why wouldn't they give Kawhi a Supermax deal. If he's healthy, surely he could be traded easily for cost effective pieces if the club was to ever get in financial trouble?

[MaNu4Tres]

Why wouldn't they give Kawhi a Supermax deal. If he's healthy, surely he could be traded easily for cost effective pieces?

If they can make amends (like Aldridge and the Spurs did) -- Spurs would be beyond dumb to not offer the max.

Giving Pau and Patty 98 million but then not offering the max to Kawhi the following summer? Yeah that makes a lot of sense....

[YGWHI]

I know you're still a 24 yr old kid
23.


I know you're a Kawhi fan boy that can't believe anything negative that is said about your Kawhi and the Spurs.
Kawhi is my favorite player and the Spurs are my team. Unlike other people here, all things are clear with me, I'm transparent.

I've said the people I trust are convinced that Kawhi is the best for the Spurs' future, that's why I believe the same.

If I would see Kawhi in other jersey I wouldn't say I would jump off the 1604 and 281 intersection but... I would be IMMENSELY sad.

I want the best for the Spurs, Kawhi is the best for them...It's pretty clear that I want him as a Spur for life, but his personal best friends, too. So I don't see why this is bad.


Both sides have issues with eachother.
I don't doubt it. All things related to the injury were like a boom for both parts.


He actually was cleared and healthy enough to keep playing according to the doctors the Spurs brought in from all over the world.

And Pop don't let him play until Kawhi "gets traded" next season "or til he's mentally committed to the Spurs again"

Do you think a coach of Pop's caliber would sit his best player whole season and playoffs just because the player isn't committed to the team?? I don't.

[YGWHI]

If they can make amends (like Aldridge and the Spurs did) -- Spurs would be beyond dumb to not offer the max.

Giving Pau and Patty 98 million but then not offering the max to Kawhi the following summer? Yeah that makes a lot of sense....

Pau and Patty were signed in 2017. What if they aren't financial able to offer 217M deal this offseason?

I don't hear this from anyone. It's just my doubt.

I was thinking about some financial issues after Holt's divorce. It seem like these aren't the best times for Spurs owners to sign super-max deals

[romsho]

So if he wants out, how does not playing help achieve that goal? If its a trade he seeks, then diminishing his value by not playing doesn't seem logical. While he may actually want out of San Antonio, its probably not even part of the reason he isn't playing. I'm more inclined to take it at face value- he's not right physically. Ultimately, he wants to be paid as much $ as possible long term. Not one part of this current situation helps that. This reminds me of when Hakeem was with the Rockets and team doctors cleared him to play but he said he wasn't ready-eventually they made amends and won 2 championships. But it was ugly at the time.

[YGWHI]

I mean they played Aldridge when he clearly wanted out last season. I guess anything's possible, but def seems a bit crazy to think they're sitting him
:tu

[MaNu4Tres]

I mean they played Aldridge when he clearly wanted out last season. I guess anything's possible, but def seems a bit crazy to think they're sitting him

They didn't know Aldridge wanted out til the summer when Aldridge told Pop he wanted to be traded. Two entirely different situations.

[YGWHI]

Why wouldn't they give Kawhi a Supermax deal. If he's healthy, surely he could be traded easily for cost effective pieces if the club was to ever get in financial trouble?

Don't worry. OP says Pop wouldn't play Kawhi until he gets traded...That means the team know what pieces they will get for him. After all, a player like Kawhi's so easily to replace.

[YGWHI]

They didn't know Aldridge wanted out til the summer when Aldridge told Pop he wanted to be traded. Two entirely different situations.
We read "rumors" about LMA being unhappy on media after 2015-16 season. Jabari Young wrote an article about it

I guess you posted about it during 2016-17 season, too.

[bklynspursfan]

They didn't know Aldridge wanted out til the summer when Aldridge told Pop he wanted to be traded. Two entirely different situations.

It came out tho before the summer, the Jackie MacMullan piece in particular stating things weren't going as planned between he and the Spurs. There were definitely rumblings of some stuff going on prior to it being made official/public by Pop.

[bklynspursfan]

Sam Amick mentioned early on Kawhi & his group were on board with how the Spurs handled certain things in the media and their culture and what not, but over time they haven't always been on the same page. Sounded like he was holding back a little and was vague, but does make some sense I guess. It was in this podcast from a month ago. Maybe his uncle does want him in LA so he can get more recognition and spotlight. Don't know what Kawhi wants tho.

http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1158649/

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[YGWHI]

Maybe his uncle does want him in LA so he can get more recognition and spotlight.
For what every Spurs fan have seen during his years in SA, Kawhi doesn't exactly love media and interviews...

Spurs-Kawhi's camp have issues but I doubt the reason is Kawhi wanting more media attention..If he would seek for it I guess we should have heard him talking about his injury or whatever last weeks.

Being a Wall of Silence like Matt Moore called Kawhi...Being inaccessible to any reporter like he has been all these years, doesn't seem the type of player that wants spotlight.

[bklynspursfan]

For what every Spurs fan have seen during his years in SA, Kawhi doesn't exactly love media and interviews...

Spurs-Kawhi's camp have issues but I doubt the reason is Kawhi wanting more media attention..If he would seek for it I guess we should have heard him talking about his injury or whatever last weeks.

Being a Wall of silence like Matt Moore called Kawhi...Being inaccessible to any reporter like he has been all these years, doesn't seem the type of player that wants more spotlight.

I agree, that doesn't seem to be what Kawhi wants, personality wise. ( tho who knows how he really feels) I'm just saying maybe that's part of the problem is people from his entourage want that for him.

[tholdren]

Don't worry. OP says Pop wouldn't play Kawhi until he gets traded...That means the team know what pieces they will get for him. After all, a player like Kawhi's so easily to replace.

Kl has never won a damn thing as the man. The end

[YGWHI]

I agree, that doesn't seem to be what Kawhi wants, personality wise. ( tho who knows how he really feels) I'm just saying maybe that's part of the problem is people from his entourage want that for him.

I doubt it.

But if true it's not a good enough reason for Pop not to play like OP said.

I can't imagine Pop telling RC "His uncle wants what??? Spotlight? WTF?? Kawhi won't play until I trade him or he's committed to this team again."

:D

[SAGirl]

We read "rumors" about LMA being unhappy on media after 2015-16 season. Jabari Young wrote an article about it

I guess you posted about it during 2016-17 season, too.
He was unhappy but kept that within his circle and he tried to please Pop all the time despite his unhappiness,until he couldn't take it anymore. Pop himself said that he was taken aback and surprised when LMA came clean with What he thought and what he felt. That happened in the offseason. It's admirable for LMA to have kept that inside and not harm the team's chemistry etc. During the season.

[spurs2112]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAuOZtTbiyI&feature=share

Don't know if y'all seen this yet but this doesn't sound like a disgruntled teammate to me. I don't know if this is pre or post "misdiagnosis ".

[TheDoctor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAuOZtTbiyI&feature=share

Don't know if y'all seen this yet but this doesn't sound like a disgruntled teammate to me. I don't know if this is pre or post "misdiagnosis ".

:lol dude, that media day vid is old as fuck.

[spurs2112]

Yea, but what I'm trying to say is he doesn't seem upset about the roster, talks good about Aldridge. But then again I guess you're gonna say all the right things anyways.

[spurs10]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAuOZtTbiyI&feature=share

Don't know if y'all seen this yet but this doesn't sound like a disgruntled teammate to me. I don't know if this is pre or post "misdiagnosis ". Wonder when this is? He’s seems fine. Anyone recognize this?

[Dre_7]

Pop just said he would be surprised if Kawhi returns this season. That is all I need to hear. Not expecting him back now.

[spurs10]

:lol dude, that media day vid is old as fuck. Okay...I didn’t remember this.

[MaNu4Tres]

Reason why Pop will be surprised if Kawhi is back this year is because it's more than the injury.

[DPG21920]

Reason why Pop will be surprised if Kawhi is back this year is because it's more than the injury.

But what does sitting out accomplish if Kawhi wants out?

[romsho]

So if he wants out, how does not playing help achieve that goal? If its a trade he seeks, then diminishing his value by not playing doesn't seem logical. While he may actually want out of San Antonio, its probably not even part of the reason he isn't playing. I'm more inclined to take it at face value- he's not right physically. Ultimately, he wants to be paid as much $ as possible long term. Not one part of this current situation helps that. This reminds me of when Hakeem was with the Rockets and team doctors cleared him to play but he said he wasn't ready-eventually they made amends and won 2 championships. But it was ugly at the time.

Right.

[apalisoc_9]

But what does sitting out accomplish if Kawhi wants out?

Probably spurs testing him and seeing if he quits what he is doing...and just play. If his camp feels like this is the way out, maybe it is. Who knows.

[DPG21920]

Probably spurs testing him and seeing if he quits what he is doing...and just play. If his camp feels like this is the way out, maybe it is. Who knows.

I really don’t see how his camp can think that him not playing is the way to force himself out.

[MaNu4Tres]

But what does sitting out accomplish if Kawhi wants out?

Perhaps Spurs are mutual with the decision for him to sit out if he's not mentally committed to the team. It's always team first with Pop.

Imo -- Kawhi is just being cautious with his quad ( he's been medically cleared) and at the same time he's not mentally committed to the Spurs. He's in his own world with his Uncle being the gatekeeper that wants him elsewhere.

[Das Texan]

I really don’t see how his camp can think that him not playing is the way to force himself out.

Because Spurs will get pissed at him not playing and eating up all the cap space he gets?

[Clipper Nation]

Sam Amick mentioned early on Kawhi & his group were on board with how the Spurs handled certain things in the media and their culture and what not, but over time they haven't always been on the same page. Sounded like he was holding back a little and was vague, but does make some sense I guess. It was in this podcast from a month ago. Maybe his uncle does want him in LA so he can get more recognition and spotlight. Don't know what Kawhi wants tho.

http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1158649/

955552544729829376
Sounds like Poop's ego is going to make Kawhi want to join the Clippers. West understands the stars, whereas Poop only cares about his own ego.

[bklynspursfan]

Sounds like Poop's ego is going to make Kawhi want to join the Clippers. West understands the stars, whereas Poop only cares about his own ego.

Yea, sure. That's what it is . Lolz

[spurs2112]

But what does sitting out accomplish if Kawhi wants out?
This is a stretch but what if the uncle doesn't want the Spurs to offer the super max so if Kawhi leaves the blame falls on the Spurs. They can say, well they didn't offer what we wanted so we left. If they do offer the super max and Kawhi declines then we know there was some truth to him wanting out and this injury becomes suspect. I honestly feel Kawhi wouldn't do something like this but who knows with all these rumors (and all we have is rumors) I don't know what to think anymore. Maybe I'm just being too conspiratorial :rollin

[DPG21920]

Because Spurs will get pissed at him not playing and eating up all the cap space he gets?

I don’t see how that leads to anything for Kawhi though. In fact, SA can dock him pay for failing to play if they do down that path and it creates a big issue.

[TD 21]

Perhaps Spurs are mutual with the decision for him to sit out if he's not mentally committed to the team. It's always team first with Pop.

Imo -- Kawhi is just being cautious with his quad ( he's been medically cleared) and at the same time he's not mentally committed to the Spurs. He's in his own world with his Uncle being the gatekeeper that wants him elsewhere.

I know we discussed this, but the more I think about if, that doesn't make sense. If it were that bad, the only rational thing to do would have been to have him playing regularly leading up to the trade deadline, so that they could have showcased his being healthy and traded him for a bounty.

The way this is going, if he wants out, teams will be at least hesitant offering fair value and if in fact Spurs are prepared to offer the super max this summer, they'd obviously want to force him to turn that down before accepting a second rate package. Even if he accepted it but still wanted to be traded, teams would still be hesitant offering fair value until they know he's not damaged goods. So either way, it was in both Spurs and his best interest for him to play.

[Russ]

He's in his own world with his Uncle being the gatekeeper that wants him elsewhere.

I remember his Uncle as a player now -- LaVar Leonard. :lol

:flag:

[Russ]

So either way, it was in both Spurs and his best interest for him to play.

Not if he wants to go to a team that doesn't have to deplete its roster to acquire him.

[Keepin' it real]

Perhaps Spurs are mutual with the decision for him to sit out if he's not mentally committed to the team. It's always team first with Pop.

Imo -- Kawhi is just being cautious with his quad ( he's been medically cleared) and at the same time he's not mentally committed to the Spurs. He's in his own world with his Uncle being the gatekeeper that wants him elsewhere.

Cautious he says!!! :rollin:rollin

[MaNu4Tres]

I know we discussed this, but the more I think about if, that doesn't make sense. If it were that bad, the only rational thing to do would have been to have him playing regularly leading up to the trade deadline, so that they could have showcased his being healthy and traded him for a bounty.

The way this is going, if he wants out, teams will be at least hesitant offering fair value and if in fact Spurs are prepared to offer the super max this summer, they'd obviously want to force him to turn that down before accepting a second rate package. Even if he accepted it but still wanted to be traded, teams would still be hesitant offering fair value until they know he's not damaged goods. So either way, it was in both Spurs and his best interest for him to play.

I'll give a few more important puzzle pieces.

Uncle Robertson is calling all the shots regarding Kawhi, not the Spurs. Spurs are not the decision makers with Kawhi right now and haven't been for months. Spurs are irritated w/ the way Robertson has been influential with Kawhi ( he's no longer mentally committed to the team), and irritated with how its puts them in a bad spot whenever or if they decide to trade him this summer.

Spurs have no control over Kawhi right now, and are letting that go. However they are still the team that is paying him, but in all honesty they'd rather him sit out if he's not committed to the team.

Kawhi is only committed to Kawhi right now -- I think if anyone can think objectively for a second they can see that.

[TD 21]

Not if he wants to go to a team that doesn't have to deplete its roster to acquire him.

Again, even if Leonard threatened to walk in '19, they'd still probably refuse to trade him until he showed he was back in form to start next season.



I'll give a few more important puzzle pieces.

Uncle Robertson is calling all the shots regarding Kawhi, not the Spurs. Spurs are not the decision makers with Kawhi right now and haven't been for months. Spurs are irritated w/ the way Robertson has been influential with Kawhi ( he's no longer mentally committed to the team), and irritated with how its puts them in a bad spot whenever or if they decide to trade him this summer.

Spurs have no control over Kawhi right now, and are letting that go. However they are still the team that is paying him, but in all honesty they'd rather him sit out if he's not committed to the team.

Kawhi is only committed to Kawhi right now -- I think if anyone can think objectively for a second they can see that.

Fair enough, but the NBA isn't going to allow a player's family member to decide whether a healthy player plays or not. There's been plenty of players who wanted out, but played until a trade came to fruition. You don't just get to do whatever you want and I doubt Spurs would be complicit in that.

[MaNu4Tres]

Again, even if Leonard threatened to walk in '19, they'd still probably refuse to trade him until he showed he was back in form to start next season.




Fair enough, but the NBA isn't going to allow a player's family member to decide whether a healthy player plays or not. There's been plenty of players who wanted out, but played until a trade came to fruition. You don't just get to do whatever you want and I doubt Spurs would be complicit in that.

If Spurs were trying to mend the relationship and reel him back in, I think the right approach is the patient, give you your space/ we trust you and care your long term health approach, no?

This has literally put the Spurs in a spot they have never experienced before.

Blame Uncle Robertson.

[TD 21]

If Spurs were trying to mend the relationship and reel him back in, I think the right approach is the patient, give you your space/ we trust you and care your long term health approach, no?

This has literally put the Spurs in a spot they have never experienced before.

Blame Uncle Robertson.

Sure, but that's different than sitting out a ton of games when you're supposedly healthy.

The question now becomes, do they offer the super max in the summer? Still think it's more likely than not and that him accepting it is as well. The difference between that and a regular max is a lot of money and as bleak as this situation might look, until proven otherwise, when healthy, they're still an elite team (though clearly not contenders). He also strikes me as the type who's not overly concerned with the talent around him.

[YGWHI]

Not if he wants to go to a team that doesn't have to deplete its roster to acquire him.
Players don't choose..Do you really think IT wanted to be traded? Do you really believe PG3 wanted to play in OKC?

Do you really think that Kawhi wants to put at risk his super-max extension just for what...?

For playing other year here or wherever until his FA?

What if he gets injured next season before FA...His value would decrease even more. Can you see a guy like Kawhi making these very risky decisions?

It's pretty obvious it's in both parts interest to see Kawhi on court. Who says the opposite is just crazy.

[exstatic]

San Antonio Spur Kawhi Leonard produces, stars in movie

https://www.mysanantonio.com/entertainment/entertainment_columnists/jeanne_jakle/article/S-A-Spur-Kawhi-Leonard-produces-stars-in-movie-11025311.php

Submitted without comment...

Old news, almost a year ago.

[noles1983]

Please take that useless sack of shit Mills with you to LA. Actually, take the whole damn roster, they are all shit.

[Ice009]

I remember his Uncle as a player now -- LaVar Leonard. :lol

:flag:

I thought his uncles last name was Robertson? Whoever the guy is, he seems like a completely incompetent fuck up if Kawhi is actually listening to this guy. He's going to end up fucking Kawhi's career up the way he's going.

[TheGreatYacht]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWqdemiVMAAimli.jpg

Cant wait. Happy for him.

[bklynspursfan]

966774102647328769

[dabom]

OP is such a faggot. :lmao

[bklynspursfan]

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[Chinook]

Young needs to shut the fuck up. It's clear where he keeps getting his info from. It's a horrible move to be this vociferously on Kawhi's side in this conflict when he's going to be in SA whether Leonard is there or not.

[dabom]

Facts bad now. :lol

[Chinook]

966774102647328769

His sister put a target on Kawhi. If you're going to say "wait until Kawhi weighs in", then Kawhi needs to weigh in. Otherwise it just seems like terrible damage control.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

His sister put a target on Kawhi. If you're going to say "wait until Kawhi weighs in", then Kawhi needs to weigh in. Otherwise it just seems like terrible damage control.

Agreed completely.

The longer Kawhi stays quiet about it, the worse it looks.

[bklynspursfan]

His sister put a target on Kawhi. If you're going to say "wait until Kawhi weighs in", then Kawhi needs to weigh in. Otherwise it just seems like terrible damage control.

Maybe true.. The other side is, Kawhi doesn't need to address the rumors about him wanting to leave because they're bogus.

[Chinook]

Agreed completely.

The longer Kawhi stays quiet about it, the worse it looks.

The thing is, I don't think Kawhi should say anything. It can only hurt the team for him to do so. The first time we should get confirmation that Kawhi wants out should be when a trade is announced, and if he doesn't want out, this firestorm doesn't matter. I doubt the players on the roster is really in the dark out that, one way or the other. So Kawhi's words would only mollify fans, and until the team sees fans turn away because of this (like not picking up season tickets), what fans think doesn't matter.

Just saying that his sister should have taken a page out of Kawhi's book and stayed quiet.

[Chinook]

Maybe true.. The other side is, Kawhi doesn't need to address the rumors about him wanting to leave because they're bogus.

I agree and just said that. I don't think Leonard should weigh in. His sister didn't need to say what she said, though, because it makes it seem like we should be anticipating Leonard making a statement.

[SAGirl]

Young needs to shut the fuck up. It's clear where he keeps getting his info from. It's a horrible move to be this vociferously on Kawhi's side in this conflict when he's going to be in SA whether Leonard is there or not.
Better than this:
966794394383745024
Him giving a different POV than the PATFO fluffers is what I like about him.

[YGWHI]

Better than this:
966794394383745024
Him giving a different POV than the PATFO fluffers is what I like about him.

Well, Young he's not a PATFO sucker like the rest. He's not affraid of showing the other side of the story.

Can't remember the last time that we have in SA a journalist giving a version that's not Pop/RC version? Buck Harvey never was that guy. JeffMcDonald either.
IDK about Ludden because I barely remember him.

966793880803954688
It seems like he really knows Jeff :tu

[NASpurs]

Better than this:
966794394383745024
Him giving a different POV than the PATFO fluffers is what I like about him.

:wow If I could shake that guy Brian’s hand, I would. Way to call out that hack right to his fucking face!

He probably reads Spurstalk or has an account. :lol

[NASpurs]

Well, Young he's not a PATFO sucker like the rest. He's not affraid of showing the other side of the story.

Can't remember the last time that we have in SA a journalist giving a version that's not Pop/RC versión? Buck Harvey never was that guy. JeffMcDonald either.
IDK about Ludden because I barely remember him.

966793880803954688
It seems like he really knows Jeff :tu

Ludden actually had sources inside the organization and used to pass it to Woj for his articles when both were in Yahoo.

[TD 21]

Young needs to shut the fuck up. It's clear where he keeps getting his info from. It's a horrible move to be this vociferously on Kawhi's side in this conflict when he's going to be in SA whether Leonard is there or not.

:tu

Tribalism usually wins the day. Look no further than Spurs' inability to attract superstars.

Disagree that Leonard shouldn't address it though. He absolutely should, especially if it's being blown out of proportion, if for no other reason than the distraction it's been for the team. It shouldn't be the front office or players' jobs to constantly have to answer essentially on his behalf, nor his uncle. He's a grown man, who should at least have the decency to answer to his teammates and put this to rest publicly, so that they can focus on doing their job.

[YGWHI]

Kawhi's sister Miesha is 10 years older than him, she was in some way like his mom when Kawhi's mother worked.

She loves his brother, she's so proud of him and will protect him from everything and everyone.

Having said that, I doubt Kawhi likes his fams talking about this.

[YGWHI]

Ludden actually had sources inside the organization and used to pass it to Woj for his articles when both were in Yahoo.
Thanks. I get it now. Like Michael Wright is working with Woj since he's in SA.

[LkrFan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuFrDPecJUg

:wow

[coachmac87]

The only reason why people are freaking out or “speculating” are because of the rumors he wanted out of SA..but that was pretty much shut down by the uncle and the sister..

But that gets ignored because it kills the interest or story..yes there’s frustration which is expected tbh..I mean even as I fan of the team I’m frustrated..can’t imagine what PATFO and Kawhi are going through.. they’ve got a reputation and 200M on the line in almost 90 days.

[Chinook]

The only reason why people are freaking out or “speculating” are because of the rumors he wanted out of SA..but that was pretty much shut down by the uncle and the sister..

But that gets ignored because it kills the interest or story..yes there’s frustration which is expected tbh..I mean even as I fan of the team I’m frustrated..can’t imagine what PATFO and Kawhi are going through.. they’ve got a reputation and 200M on the line in almost 90 days.

The only reason why people are speculating is because Kawhi's out. Even without those rumors, it's a weird situation that warrants major concern. At this point, I'd almost rather Kawhi want out and be sitting to push that, because the alternative is a potential career-derailing injury.

[tholdren]

966774102647328769

A lot of spelling errors tbh

[Big Empty]

I wonder if Kawhi fired his old agent and hired his incle because his agent pursuaded him to sign his current max deal when if he waited he coulda been paid a ton more. And mad at the Spurs for signing him to a max before the new cap rules came about the next summer.

[dabom]

I wonder if Kawhi fired his old agent and hired his incle because his agent pursuaded him to sign his current max deal when if he waited he coulda been paid a ton more. And mad at the Spurs for signing him to a max before the new cap rules came about the next summer.

He has the same agents as before.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Kawhis uncle can suck my dick

[daslicer]

Young needs to shut the fuck up. It's clear where he keeps getting his info from. It's a horrible move to be this vociferously on Kawhi's side in this conflict when he's going to be in SA whether Leonard is there or not.

I think Jabari's ultimate goal is to eventually get out of SA. He's milking this drama for all it's worth and is probably hoping that it can launch future opportunities for him somewhere else.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Jabari is going to be to Kawhi what windhorst is to LeBron

[DPG21920]

Jabari is going to be to Kawhi what windhorst is to LeBron

That is literally the worst plan ever :lol.

Kawhi is not Lebron. There is not going to be a constant media circus around Kawhi. There is nothing to follow. Yall are ridiculous

[dbreiden83080]

I wonder if Kawhi fired his old agent and hired his incle because his agent pursuaded him to sign his current max deal when if he waited he coulda been paid a ton more. And mad at the Spurs for signing him to a max before the new cap rules came about the next summer.

He is making 19 million bucks right now. Things could be a lot worse.. He needs to get his ass back on the basketball court. Or he is worth zero. He could become Rose in a heartbeat. A guy who was an MVP winner and constantly talked about his impending big time free agency to now nobody wants him For any amount of money.

[tbdog]

I wonder if Kawhi fired his old agent and hired his incle because his agent pursuaded him to sign his current max deal when if he waited he coulda been paid a ton more. And mad at the Spurs for signing him to a max before the new cap rules came about the next summer.

What, take a one year max deal and then resign for a max the following year? A bit of a risk.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

That is literally the worst plan ever :lol.

Kawhi is not Lebron. There is not going to be a constant media circus around Kawhi. There is nothing to follow. Yall are ridiculous

It's not my plan, but here me out DPG, maybe Kawhi's uncle wants Kawhi to be more of a spotlight player, hence all the talk to LA and rumors of Kawhi not getting enough attention playing in SA.

Kawhi is going to need a YES man in the media.

I'm onto something!

[DPG21920]

:lol

[YGWHI]

That is literally the worst plan ever :lol.

Kawhi is not Lebron. There is not going to be a constant media circus around Kawhi. There is nothing to follow. Yall are ridiculous

I doubt that's Jabari's plan. He was already in Portland and took the same approach to the stories. He always wanted to show the players' side of the story.

I would say he doesn't deal well with some franchises...He made clear he didn't like IT and Blake moves. He's more like "power to the players" than owners.

He wrote amazing pieces about Spurs players...I remember one about Kyle' best friend suicide, other about JSimms, one about Kawhi's family...He has the touch and players like him.

He's not a YES man, he's a talented writer. Or at least way better than the rest of SAEN guys.

[SAGirl]

I doubt that's Jabari's plan. He was already in Portland and took the same approach to the stories. He always wanted to show the players' side of the story.

I would say he doesn't deal well with some franchises...He made clear he didn't like IT and Blake moves. He's more like "power to the players" than owners.

He wrote amazing pieces about Spurs players...I remember one about Kyle' best friend suicide, other about JSimms, one about Kawhi's family...He has the touch and players like him.

He's not a YES man, he's a talented writer. Or at least way better than the rest of SAEN guys.
100% :tu

[TheGreatYacht]

Maybe true.. The other side is, Kawhi doesn't need to address the rumors about him wanting to leave because they're bogus.
Lmfao you've called every report bogus and they continue to be confirmed. Take them goggles off son and take the semen

[JFK]

Lmfao you've called every report bogus and they continue to be confirmed. Take them goggles off son and take the semen

Some people will be in denial and good soldiers like the group that was in the bunker with Hilter while the Russians surrounded and took Berlin. To the end.


On this subject, so Kawhi and his uncle doubling up.

Kawhi and his uncle are reminding me of Boobie Miles and his uncle from Friday Night Lights. Boobie Leonard.

[YGWHI]

Lmfao you've called every report bogus and they continue to be confirmed. Take them goggles off son and take the semen
What report was confirmed?? Where's a single line from Spurs or Kawhi's camp saying he wants out? When do you hear from one of both parts that Kawhi wants to live in LA a whole season?

Only the parts involved can confirm a rumor. Otherwise a media report about a rumor, it's just other rumor.

[dbreiden83080]

He does not want to play for the Lakers. What is it about his personality that says to anyone he wants to be a Laker? It’s a goddamn circus over there especially with Ball and his idiot daddy at point guard. And the Clippers remain one of the biggest jokes in the league. Doc Rivers Basically wrecked a once contending team’s chances of doing anything.

[bklynspursfan]

What report was confirmed?? Where's a single line from Spurs or Kawhi's camp saying he wants out? When do you hear from one of both parts that Kawhi wants to live in LA a whole season?

Only the parts involved can confirm a rumor. Otherwise a media report about a rumor, it's just other rumor.

You can't use logic and/or facts to certain posters here.

[MaNu4Tres]

You can't use logic and/or facts to certain posters here.

Or some posters have trouble reading. The OP ( me) said nothing about Kawhi wanting to go to LA.

Everything to do about his Uncle & the situation.

You guys need comprehension classes tbh..

Read the OP again.

[DPG21920]

967133808620392450

[bklynspursfan]

Or some posters have trouble reading. The OP ( me) said nothing about Kawhi wanting to go to LA.

Everything to do about his Uncle & the situation.

You guys need comprehension classes tbh..

Read the OP again.

Ha, I don't need to read it again. What I was commenting on had nothing to do with you or your post, and everything to do with that poster in question. Can't talk to me about reading comprehension if you didn't see that lol

[Ice009]

So did Woj say anything new on that podcast?

[dabom]

OP suck a faggot. :lmao

"Sources". :lmao

[coachmac87]

OP suck a faggot. :lmao

"Sources". :lmao


What about your homie/alter ego Apo?

[TheGreatYacht]

Either LA team would be a great spot for you, King.

Lakers have all the potential, and Clippers have a superior coach. Not to mention that sponsorship money :wow

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Hope we trade him to the fucking bobcats or the Nets. Fuck his Uncle

[daslicer]

Either LA team would be a great spot for you, King.

Lakers have all the potential, and Clippers have a superior coach. Not to mention that sponsorship money :wow

So what's your lakersground handle?

[TheGreatYacht]

Hope we trade him to the fucking bobcats or the Nets. Fuck his Uncle
Nets have no assets to trade, so come to think of it.... they should be the favorite in Drunkford's eyes.

[TheGreatYacht]

So what's your lakersground handle?
VictoriaAintASecretInSA

[TheGreatYacht]

Will be a fan from afar, young king. Heard LA weather is beautiful and the women aren't on weight watchers

[kobe4life]

Will be a fan from afar, young king. Heard LA weather is beautiful and the women aren't on weight watchers

Nice to see a Spur fan admit the truth that they are not worthy of Kawhi's services in San Antonio. Props to you for admitting the truth.

[TheGreatYacht]

Nice to see a Spur fan admit the truth that they are not worthy of Kawhi's services in San Antonio. Props to you for admitting the truth.
Won't stop telling the truth until the front office is cleaned out. Seeing as they're untouchable, the city of San Antonio will have to pay the consequences once the team is moved to Seattle.

[BackHome]

Damn I am Starting To Notice A Lot Of Posters Must Have Been Drama Majors In College Or
High School.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'll give a few more important puzzle pieces.

Uncle Robertson is calling all the shots regarding Kawhi, not the Spurs. Spurs are not the decision makers with Kawhi right now and haven't been for months. Spurs are irritated w/ the way Robertson has been influential with Kawhi ( he's no longer mentally committed to the team), and irritated with how its puts them in a bad spot whenever or if they decide to trade him this summer.

Spurs have no control over Kawhi right now, and are letting that go. However they are still the team that is paying him, but in all honesty they'd rather him sit out if he's not committed to the team.

Kawhi is only committed to Kawhi right now -- I think if anyone can think objectively for a second they can see that.

From February 21st, 2018...

Let time tell it...

[HarlemHeat37]

^^it does make sense, all things considered, tbh.. Pop's choice of words have been calculated and telling..

As I said in the other threads, I find it very hard to believe that Kawhi is running shit on his own team..he didn't just wake up one morning and become an entirely different person..

I'm very interested in seeing how he handles this when he comes out of hiding..he's going to receive more direct media attention than he ever has in his life..

[daslicer]

From February 21st, 2018...

Let time tell it...

Props to you for calling it ahead of time.

[DPG21920]

It’s bs to say Kawhi is not calling the shots. He knows what is going on and what has been created. Just because he’s not the one on the phone so he can have some warped sense of deniability doesn’t mean he’s not in charge or responsible.

[DPG21920]

Out of everything you posted there... Number 2 is the one that really has weight. If he has complained about the roster and the team being unable to attract top tier talent, maybe his uncle is on his ear that a big market like LA with him in it will definitely do that. It would suck, but it's plausible.

So both teams without Kawhi and SA blows LAL out of the water record wise. What do you know.

[HarlemHeat37]

It’s bs to say Kawhi is not calling the shots. He knows what is going on and what has been created. Just because he’s not the one on the phone so he can have some warped sense of deniability doesn’t mean he’s not in charge or responsible.

Pop's wording has made it very evident that it isn't Kawhi's show, there's a reason he keeps emphasizing his "group"..

Kawhi barely speaks, has no relationships with other players and has always displayed characteristics of autism, I don't know why people are acting like he's LeBron or Chris Paul:lol

[MaNu4Tres]

Pop's wording has made it very evident that it isn't Kawhi's show, there's a reason he keeps emphasizing his "group"..

Kawhi barely speaks and is probably autistic, I don't know why people are acting like he's LeBron or Chris Paul:lol

That's what has made this so puzzling to SA. My source also told me Kawhi seems heavily influenced by his group & uncle.. more so than any person within the Spurs organization.

[DPG21920]

Pop's wording has made it very evident that it isn't Kawhi's show, there's a reason he keeps emphasizing his "group"..

Kawhi barely speaks, has no relationships with other players and has always displayed characteristics of autism, I don't know why people are acting like he's LeBron or Chris Paul:lol

So Kawhi, has no idea what is going on, the impacts and just told his Uncle “make every decision and don’t run it by me and shut down all forms of media so I don’t know what’s going on”.

No. His Uncle is the one interacting with the team officials and making statements and being the voice but Kawhi knows what is going on. However you want to slice it, Kawhi believes in what his team/group is telling him and is fine with the ramifications at this point.

[HarlemHeat37]

So Kawhi, has no idea what is going on, the impacts and just told his Uncle “make every decision and don’t run it by me and shut down all forms of media so I don’t know what’s going on”.

No. His Uncle is the one interacting with the team officials and making statements and being the voice but Kawhi knows what is going on. However you want to slice it, Kawhi believes in what his team/group is telling him and is fine with the ramifications at this point.

I didn't say he doesn't know what's going on, I said it's evident that he isn't calling the shots, there's a big difference..he wouldn't be the first athlete to let family and/or close friends run his finances and career, there have been many before him(Derrick Rose, for a recent example)..

Not everybody has a strong-willed, leader personality in life..

[DPG21920]

I get that. I’m just saying when people say “he’s not calling the shots” that sort of absolves him of any wrong-doing. He’s guilty as hell in my book :lol

I definitley get the influence side of it; it’s dumb, but I get it. But he see’s what HIS decisions are doing and what it’s created. Hopefully he doesn’t double down on the stupid.

[daslicer]

It’s bs to say Kawhi is not calling the shots. He knows what is going on and what has been created. Just because he’s not the one on the phone so he can have some warped sense of deniability doesn’t mean he’s not in charge or responsible.

Kawhi is a dumb retarded mute and like some posters have said he probably suffers from autism or Aspergers. I don't really believe he has any control and his uncle pretty much controls him much like a parent controls a retarded kid. It doesn't excuse him from what's happening but that's the reality the spurs are dealing with. I have no respect him for him as a man after hearing what's going on with him and his uncle. He's a weak individual whose not capable of making his own decisions like an independent adult. I don't even think Kawhi really knows what he actually wants in life and just assumes that if his Uncle tells him something is good for him then it's probably good for him. He's just that stupid of person. For example him wanting to be in LA when he's damn mute makes no sense from a personality point of view. Social people love big cities but if you are an introvert it doesn't matter where you play but now SA is problem for him simply because his uncle doesn't like SA.

[duncan2k5]

Kawhi is a dumb retarded mute and like some posters have said he probably suffers from autism or Aspergers. I don't really believe he has any control and his uncle pretty much controls him much like a parent controls a retarded kid. It doesn't excuse him from what's happening but that's the reality the spurs are dealing with. I have no respect him for him as a man after hearing what's going on with him and his uncle. He's a weak individual whose not capable of making his own decisions like an independent adult. I don't even think Kawhi really knows what he actually wants in life and just assumes that if his Uncle tells him something is good for him then it's probably good for him. He's just that stupid of person. For example him wanting to be in LA when he's damn mute makes no sense from a personality point of view. Social people love big cities but if you are an introvert it doesn't matter where you play but now SA is problem for him simply because his uncle doesn't like SA.

You should be banned for stupidity... You completely made up every single thing u wrote... Kawhi is six years in... He JUST NOW wants to play in LA? he could have forced a trade from day 1

[ElNono]

- Kawhi gets drafted
Pop: "We've been looking at you, expect great things if you work hard"
Kawhi: "Cool. I've gotta get back to the gym"
Uncle Roberston: "lmao they drafted the autist"

- Kawhi becomes starter
Pop: "We think you're ready"
Kawhi: "Cool. I've gotta get back to the gym"
Uncle Roberston: "hey, at least he beat Richard Jefferson for a spot"

- Kawhi wins NBA ring, Finals MVP
Pop: "You did it"
Kawhi: "Thanks. I've gotta get back to the gym"
Uncle Roberston: "I've always been a Spurs fan. Since the Iceman days"

- Kawhi makes All Star, signs first Spurs extension for big money
Pop: "You're gonna be the franchise"
Kawhi: "Nice. I've gotta get back to the gym"
Uncle Roberston: (calls) "sup kid, this is long lost uncle Robertson"

- Kawhi gets into MVP conversations and gets hurt
Pop: "Best docs will take care of you"
Uncle Robertson: "Be careful. Get a second opinion. You are your agent's meal ticket. You want a long career and we want more, bigger checks. I'm family, let me take care of this."
Kawhi: "Ok. I've gotta get back to the gym"

- Kawhi tries to come back
Pop: "Boy, we were waiting for you"
Uncle Robertson: "I've got this doctor here. Best doctor in the world. He says you're hurt. If you wanna give it a shot, ok, but if you feel any pain, stop and call me."
Kawhi: "Got it. I've gotta get back to the gym"

- Kawhi gets the usual dings any player gets
Pop: "We'll rest you tomorrow"
Uncle Robertson: "I told you. Come talk to my doc. Don't trust anybody, don't talk to anybody, I'm family and I'm taking care of this."
Kawhi: "Sure, but I've gotta get back to the gym"

...

[ElNono]

And has been in his ear all year about it.

Spurs have been pretty irritated since he took over as his manager, and the friction has to do with him sitting.

Was told this today from a pretty reliable source.

If nothing can be fixed, and if Kawhi is on his way to LA this summer, blame his uncle.


Basically what I've been trying to say minus the L.A part. His uncle has a huge influence on him not playing. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play the rest of the season. He has become sort of a cancer to the team.


They don't trust Spurs medical staff. They became upset with how they handled his quad injury.


From what I've been told Kawhi is really is not all here "mentally" with the team. He's sorta checked out. The Spurs have tried to get him engaged with the team, but it hasn't worked. I hope something turns around and they can make it work. I really do. The Spurs want things to get better with him. Apparently his uncle has been in his ear more lately and is a big part of this whole issue. The Spurs will trade him if things don't get better.

props to MaNu4Tres and MoSpur02 for calling it early...

[SAGirl]

Well it’s not a done deal until he’s traded. I am not going to defend the situation bc it’s damn uncomfortable and unorthodox right now. I don’t think he will get traded but he very well might.

[Kawhitstorm]

They got fat butches in every city, adios Shit Antonio :toast

[YGWHI]

props to MaNu4Tres and MoSpur02 for calling it early...

Calling...what?? :lmao

The only reason why Kawhi doesn't trust in Spurs medical staff is because:

-he didn't get treatments in the summer that other doctors said he needed

-Spurs doctors clearead him, he returned in mid season, and his quad still felt bad, then he knew they were wrong.

We all watched him playing in those nine games, can you say he was the elite player we saw last seasons?

It was pretty obvious he was still injured.

If he played and his quad didn't look good, he didn't need his uncle to know that Spurs doctors were wrong..

[Ice009]

Calling...what?? :lmao

The only reason why Kawhi doesn't trust in Spurs medical staff is because:

-he didn't get treatments in the summer that other doctors said he needed

-Spurs doctors clearead him, he returned in mid season, and his quad still felt bad, then he knew they were wrong.

We all watched him playing in those nine games, can you say he was the elite player we saw last seasons?

It was pretty obvious he was still injured.

If he played and his quad didn't look good, he didn't need his uncle to know that Spurs doctors were wrong..

If he really is mad at the Spurs, I think that might be the real reason for it. I think Danny Green commented after one of those games that his explosiveness wasn't there, so until he saw that, he wasn't ready to say Kawhi's back. Does anyone else remember Danny saying that or have I dreamt it?

[YGWHI]

If he really is mad at the Spurs, I think that might be the real reason for it. I think Danny Green commented after one of those games that his explosiveness wasn't there, so until he saw that, he wasn't ready to say Kawhi's back. Does anyone else remember Danny saying that or have I dreamt it?


“He’s getting to the basket, but his explosiveness hasn’t been what it has been in the past,” guard Danny Green said. “When I see that, I’ll know he is 100 percent.”

https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Leonard-pining-to-play-consecutive-games-12497691.php

Why did he try to come back if "the uncle" theory was true?

Kawhi wanted to keep playing but his quad got worse. Everyone watched those games and knew that Kawhi wasn't himself, he was still injured.

Just stupid assholes can think it's his uncle and not his quad.

[BackHome]

Damn how many Alts does Daboom use. !!

[Ice009]

Glad you found the quote. I thought after one of the last games Kawhi played, he was looking better, so I don't get why he shut it down so soon.

Here's another quote from Kawhi in that article :


https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Leonard-pining-to-play-consecutive-games-12497691.php
“I need to string some games together,” Leonard said after posting 19 points, eight rebounds and four steals in the win over the Nuggets. “I talked to veteran guys who have been in this situation. They say to give yourself time — two weeks, three weeks, maybe a month — to get back to yourself.”

That was actually my opinion. I felt if he kept playing he'd start looking more like himself. I don't know, I guess he didn't feel that the quad was right so he shut it down again. At the time, I thought it was the Spurs that shut him down. Was this Denver game the last game he played this season?

[YGWHI]

I felt if he kept playing he'd start looking more like himself. I don't know, I gues he didn't feel that the quad was right so he shut it down again At the time, I thought it was the Spurs that shut him down.
I guess both sides made the decision. Even Pop admitted that Kawhi starting to feel his quad was bad again after a practice in Atlanta.

[absoloot66]

I guess both sides made the decision. Even Pop admitted that Kawhi starting to feel his quad was bad again after a practice in Atlanta.

If Kawhi said it was hurting, the decision was made by Kawhi. Pop can't/won't make him play.

[offset formation]

- Kawhi gets drafted
Pop: "We've been looking at you, expect great things if you work hard"
Kawhi: "Cool. I've gotta get back to the gym"
Uncle Roberston: "lmao they drafted the autist"

- Kawhi becomes starter
Pop: "We think you're ready"
Kawhi: "Cool. I've gotta get back to the gym"
Uncle Roberston: "hey, at least he beat Richard Jefferson for a spot"

- Kawhi wins NBA ring, Finals MVP
Pop: "You did it"
Kawhi: "Thanks. I've gotta get back to the gym"
Uncle Roberston: "I've always been a Spurs fan. Since the Iceman days"

- Kawhi makes All Star, signs first Spurs extension for big money
Pop: "You're gonna be the franchise"
Kawhi: "Nice. I've gotta get back to the gym"
Uncle Roberston: (calls) "sup kid, this is long lost uncle Robertson"

- Kawhi gets into MVP conversations and gets hurt
Pop: "Best docs will take care of you"
Uncle Robertson: "Be careful. Get a second opinion. You are your agent's meal ticket. You want a long career and we want more, bigger checks. I'm family, let me take care of this."
Kawhi: "Ok. I've gotta get back to the gym"

- Kawhi tries to come back
Pop: "Boy, we were waiting for you"
Uncle Robertson: "I've got this doctor here in NY Best doctor in the world. He says you're hurt. If you wanna give it a shot, ok, but if you feel any pain, stop and call me."
Kawhi: "Got it. I've gotta get back to the gym in NY"

- Kawhi gets the usual dings any player gets
Pop: "We'll rest you tomorrow"
Uncle Robertson: "I told you. Come talk to my doc in NY. Don't trust anybody in SA, don't talk to anybody in SA I'm family and I'm taking care of this in NY"
Kawhi: "Sure, but I've gotta get back to the gym in NY

...

FIFY.

[daslicer]

- Kawhi gets drafted
Pop: "We've been looking at you, expect great things if you work hard"
Kawhi: "Cool. I've gotta get back to the gym"
Uncle Roberston: "lmao they drafted the autist"

- Kawhi becomes starter
Pop: "We think you're ready"
Kawhi: "Cool. I've gotta get back to the gym"
Uncle Roberston: "hey, at least he beat Richard Jefferson for a spot"

- Kawhi wins NBA ring, Finals MVP
Pop: "You did it"
Kawhi: "Thanks. I've gotta get back to the gym"
Uncle Roberston: "I've always been a Spurs fan. Since the Iceman days"

- Kawhi makes All Star, signs first Spurs extension for big money
Pop: "You're gonna be the franchise"
Kawhi: "Nice. I've gotta get back to the gym"
Uncle Roberston: (calls) "sup kid, this is long lost uncle Robertson"

- Kawhi gets into MVP conversations and gets hurt
Pop: "Best docs will take care of you"
Uncle Robertson: "Be careful. Get a second opinion. You are your agent's meal ticket. You want a long career and we want more, bigger checks. I'm family, let me take care of this."
Kawhi: "Ok. I've gotta get back to the gym"

- Kawhi tries to come back
Pop: "Boy, we were waiting for you"
Uncle Robertson: "I've got this doctor here. Best doctor in the world. He says you're hurt. If you wanna give it a shot, ok, but if you feel any pain, stop and call me."
Kawhi: "Got it. I've gotta get back to the gym"

- Kawhi gets the usual dings any player gets
Pop: "We'll rest you tomorrow"
Uncle Robertson: "I told you. Come talk to my doc. Don't trust anybody, don't talk to anybody, I'm family and I'm taking care of this."
Kawhi: "Sure, but I've gotta get back to the gym"

...

:lmao Probably not too far from the truth.

[ElNono]

:elephant

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/07/tense.gif

[spursistan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBujjzhh1vQ


Kawhi is literally having his hand held by uncle Dennis in the broad daylight of New York City..He is in total control of his body and soul.. :lol..

Props to MaNu4Tres (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5714) for calling it early :tu..

At least he is still wearing a Spurs uniform tho :cry..

[spurraider21]

he needs his uncle to wipe his ass

[Joseph Kony]

what a bitchmade dude. smh

[bklynspursfan]

"Spotted near intersection of 6th Avenue and 45th Street." My office is a 5-10 min walk from there.. I gotta camp out over there around 4PM one of these days

[bklynspursfan]

Despite Leonard’s uncle seeming “upset” that they noticed the Spurs star, Tony told KSAT.com that Kawhi was “very polite” when he declined their photo request.


“(Kawhi told us) he had ‘too much going on right now,’ Tony told KSAT.com.


Smh

https://www.ksat.com/sports/nba/spurs/spurs-kawhi-leonard-spotted-in-nyc-near-nbpa-facility?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=snd&utm_content=ksat12

[bklynspursfan]

Saw him and asked for a picture right near time square, he politely declined saying he got too much going on right now. Was also with his Uncle who seems to be in the center of all this controversy regarding Kawhi. I have a video in case anyone in interested. Such a nice guy, seemed really genuine and shook my hand. Was walking out of a hotel and seemed to be headed either to or from a workout due to his outfit.

Edit: Will upload video after I find out how to on mobile. Video only shows back of uncles head and you can see kawhi for a split second. I was obviously nervous and only started recording after he walked away.





https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/8f6okh/just_spotted_kawhi_in_manhattan/

[daslicer]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/8f6okh/just_spotted_kawhi_in_manhattan/

Intersting tidbit when the guy who took the video of Kawhi mentions that Kawhi's uncle was upset to see someone recognized them and rushed Kawhi immediately after the interaction. That's some MKUltra shit his Uncle has on him.

[tholdren]

If kl uncle gets kl out of sa, he will be the real mvp

[duncan2k5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBujjzhh1vQ


Kawhi is literally having his hand held by uncle Dennis in the broad daylight of New York City..He is in total control of his body and soul.. :lol..

Props to MaNu4Tres (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5714) for calling it early :tu..

At least he is still wearing a Spurs uniform tho :cry..

Brothers... Ur paranoia has u seeing things... Nowhere in that video did he have his hands being held... Wtf?

[MaNu4Tres]

All you young and naive Kawhi slurpers and haters can go kick rocks..

Drops mic..

[TimDunkem]

Rekt

[K...]

All you young and naive Kawhi slurpers and haters can go kick rocks..

Drops mic..

You think this the master plan, or just the backup after pafto went cheap?

[MaNu4Tres]

You think this the master plan, or just the backup after pafto went cheap?

Team Kawhi Camp has had their sights on LA for about a year now. Spurs couldn't do anything about it.

You'll hear the misdiagnosis as the reason, but that's bullshit.

[RD2191]

Team Kawhi Camp has had their sights on LA for about a year now. Spurs couldn't do anything about it.

You'll hear the misdiagnosis as the reason, but that's bullshit.

For more than an year imo tbh

[Atl Spur]

Spurs will still be the Spurs. That man made a decision....... spurs will be alright!

[MaNu4Tres]

Wheres Dex?

[apalisoc_9]

Wheres all the losers now?

https://media.giphy.com/media/Z36diZTBOwJLG/giphy.webp


I said that his camp felt betrayed on top of getting zero credit it makes sense for them to want out.

He hasnt been injured since Feb.

Link the dots.

[RD2191]

Wheres all the losers now?

https://media.giphy.com/media/Z36diZTBOwJLG/giphy.webp


I said that his camp felt betrayed on top of getting zero credit it makes sense for them to want out.

He hasnt been injured since Feb.

Link the dots.

Bold apa tbh

[apalisoc_9]

To op and the rest of the realist

https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/180424-snoop-dogg-champagne-cheers-gi-bixe.gif?w=990&crop=1

[SpursBig3s]

Team Kawhi Camp has had their sights on LA for about a year now. Spurs couldn't do anything about it.

You'll hear the misdiagnosis as the reason, but that's bullshit.


If true, Kawhi can go fuck himself

[baseline bum]

I hope his faggot uncle steals all his money

[spursistan]

This was too obvious from the beginning; they just kept looking for excuses..This is the endgame.

[FkLA]

Attention whore bumping his thread to pat himself on the back for something that was always a possibility. :td:

[Budkin]

I hope his faggot uncle steals all his money

That's been his goal the whole time apparently.

[MaNu4Tres]

Attention whore bumping his thread to pat himself on the back for something that was always a possibility. :td:

My ass would be sore as hell too.

[Joseph Kony]

i dont get what you queers are celebrating about. none of this is good news

[FkLA]

My ass would be sore as hell too.

I, as well others, have posts speculating he cares about his brand and wants to be in LA. Not sure why you are acting like its something that was never in anyone's thoughts before you shared your top secret info.

But keep patting yourself on the back, sauce queen.

[florige]

I hope his faggot uncle steals all his money

I don’t mind that he wants to be traded. The problem I got with the whole thing is them trying to paint it out as the Spurs being the bad guys in all of this when all along he wanted to go somewhere else to start with.

[MaNu4Tres]

:bobo

[spurraider21]

look at me guys!

[ElNono]

look at me guys!

You're not OP, tbh

[spurraider21]

You're not OP, tbh
well you know what they say about OP's being a...

[MaNu4Tres]

well you know what they say about OP's being a...

Lot of butt hurt dumbasses in this thread tbh..

[apalisoc_9]

:bobo

https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/180424-snoop-dogg-champagne-cheers-gi-bixe.gif?w=990&crop=1




















OP called it

[Pavlov]

Wheres all the losers now?

https://media.giphy.com/media/Z36diZTBOwJLG/giphy.webp


I said that his camp felt betrayed on top of getting zero credit it makes sense for them to want out.

He hasnt been injured since Feb.

Link the dots.


Bold apa tbh


To op and the rest of the realist

https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/180424-snoop-dogg-champagne-cheers-gi-bixe.gif?w=990&crop=1You guys are celebrating the confirmation Kawhi is a sandbagging, lying loser?

lol OK

[Brazil]

My sources are better than OPs. Kawhi is not even remotely thinking of leaving the Spurs. :lol

u my nigg' bro but :lol on dat one tbh...

[DaBears]

I see a ESPN 30 for 30 coming out of this whole ordeal, somewhere in the near future. I am calling it here 1st.... " Who said that " " Dabears, dam you "

[RC_Drunkford]

And has been in his ear all year about it.

Spurs have been pretty irritated since he took over as his manager, and the friction has to do with him sitting.

Was told this today from a pretty reliable source.

If nothing can be fixed, and if Kawhi is on his way to LA this summer, blame his uncle.

bump