View Full Version : No evidence that Assad used chemical weapons on Syrians
Spurtacular
02-19-2018, 10:15 PM
This came out eleven days ago. How did none of the chumpettes not post this? Oh, it doesn't fit with their Trump Derangement Syndrome?
Looks like Obama warred in another country on a false flag.
http://www.newsweek.com/now-mattis-admits-there-was-no-evidence-assad-using-poison-gas-his-people-801542
pgardn
02-19-2018, 10:25 PM
What about the chlorine in the barrel bombs?
Spurtacular
02-19-2018, 10:32 PM
What about the chlorine in the barrel bombs?
It's possible that if that occurred, they were launched/dropped by the "Syrian rebels".
Pavlov
02-19-2018, 10:34 PM
So they didn't cross the red line and it's good that we didn't escalate at the time?
OK.
pgardn
02-19-2018, 10:39 PM
It's possible that if that occurred, they were launched/dropped by the "Syrian rebels".
Barrel bombs were dropped from Syrian planes.
Your article JUST mentions Sarin. The Syrians had much more than Sarin stockpiled. Chemical weapon(s).
Another flail thread where OP’s face meets pavement. :lol
Barrel bombs were dropped from Syrian planes.
Your article JUST mentions Sarin. The Syrians had much more than Sarin stockpiled. Chemical weapon(s).
I think they misspelled "Syrian" as "Sarin".
Mark Celibate
02-19-2018, 11:22 PM
How exactly Is chlorine any different or worse than our use of white phosphorus in Iraq?? The country using controversial chemical weapons is going to point the finger and blame someone else for using them?
ElNono
02-20-2018, 12:38 AM
How exactly Is chlorine any different or worse than our use of white phosphorus in Iraq?? The country using controversial chemical weapons is going to point the finger and blame someone else for using them?
we're the good guys tho
Mark Celibate
02-20-2018, 12:49 AM
Good guys my ass. This exceptionalism bullshit is dangerous. Many people who have ever done anything appalling thought at the time that they were righteous.
hater
02-20-2018, 08:28 AM
Syria asked UN to form a team and formally investigate you know with scientists but Americans said no need. They will just go ahead and believe the rebel reports. :lol
pgardn
02-20-2018, 08:32 AM
Syria asked UN to form a team and formally investigate you know with scientists but Americans said no need. They will just go ahead and believe the rebel reports. :lol
A team made up of Syrians.
And to think Syria was the lead country for the UN on human rights.
pgardn
02-20-2018, 08:43 AM
How exactly Is chlorine any different or worse than our use of white phosphorus in Iraq?? The country using controversial chemical weapons is going to point the finger and blame someone else for using them?
You are now acting like a total idiot.
This is a WWI holdover. The UN and the rest of the world signed a treaty banning these simply because you die very slowly and painfully compared to projectile wounds. The rules of war are strange. But clearly almost every country in the world sees a big downside in using a weapon that randomly drifts around slowly burning and strangling innocent victims in the way. Gas is not easy to aim you fool. And when you store it in large containers and accidents occur...
Dont be an ignorant fool.
Militarily it's a very random not very useful killing device. It does create terror. However, as the troops have the equipment to withstand it but civilians get their lungs burned and skin scorched, it seems humanity thought it might be a bad idea. Kind like the various nuclear weapon treaties. Accidents and such. And there are horrible ways to die. Sorry you don't agree. But there you have it.
Seems like a globalist plot to take our gas away. You have every right to fart in your own room. Use this line of reasoning and you will be fine. Since we are using them? Sure thing.
pgardn
02-20-2018, 08:54 AM
And this we are doing it so don't you dare...
We can change leaders, the Russian and Syrian people cannot. So we need to start doing something thru our system. Like electing a complete political newborn who is saving us.
Mark Celibate
02-20-2018, 10:03 AM
You are now acting like a total idiot.
This is a WWI holdover. The UN and the rest of the world signed a treaty banning these simply because you die very slowly and painfully compared to projectile wounds. The rules of war are strange. But clearly almost every country in the world sees a big downside in using a weapon that randomly drifts around slowly burning and strangling innocent victims in the way. Gas is not easy to aim you fool. And when you store it in large containers and accidents occur...
Dont be an ignorant fool.
Militarily it's a very random not very useful killing device. It does create terror. However, as the troops have the equipment to withstand it but civilians get their lungs burned and skin scorched, it seems humanity thought it might be a bad idea. Kind like the various nuclear weapon treaties. Accidents and such. And there are horrible ways to die. Sorry you don't agree. But there you have it.
Seems like a globalist plot to take our gas away. You have every right to fart in your own room. Use this line of reasoning and you will be fine. Since we are using them? Sure thing.
you seem to have some sort of comprehension disorder. I’m not arguing for the use of chemical weapons at all. I’m asking how is a country that uses chemical weapons (recently, in Mosul) going to accuse another country of using chemical weapons? Seems like we should lay off the white phosphorus before we get on our high horse.
RandomGuy
02-20-2018, 10:25 AM
This came out eleven days ago. How did none of the chumpettes not post this? Oh, it doesn't fit with their Trump Derangement Syndrome?
Looks like Obama warred in another country on a false flag.
http://www.newsweek.com/now-mattis-admits-there-was-no-evidence-assad-using-poison-gas-his-people-801542
This assertion flies in the face of the White House (NSC) Memorandum which was rapidly produced and declassified to justify an American Tomahawk missile strike against the Shayrat airbase in Syria.
So you are saying Trump fucked up?
Basically he went off and used the military to pump up his own ego to make himself look strong?
... and Obama didn't.
Got it.
:rollin
Splits
02-20-2018, 04:13 PM
lol "came out 11 days ago"
Seymore Hersh debunked the 2017 incident months ago with a very well sourced, researched piece: https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article165905578/Trump-s-Red-Line.html
Down Under
02-20-2018, 05:30 PM
Irrelevant really. He's not going anywhere while Russia is backing him, yanks just wasting time & money arming opposition. Along with the fact that most Syrians support him - they're pretty aware of Iraq & Libya.
Spurtacular
02-20-2018, 06:26 PM
So they didn't cross the red line and it's good that we didn't escalate at the time?
OK.
Bull shit. Obama justified all the warring / official regime change on crossing that "red line".
Spurtacular
02-20-2018, 06:54 PM
Barrel bombs were dropped from Syrian planes.
Your article JUST mentions Sarin. The Syrians had much more than Sarin stockpiled. Chemical weapon(s).
Alleged stockpiles are not proof of use.
Spurtacular
02-20-2018, 06:56 PM
So you are saying Trump fucked up?
Basically he went off and used the military to pump up his own ego to make himself look strong?
... and Obama didn't.
Got it.
:rollin
Trump ended ISIS in short order. You ain't got no room to talk, bitch.
Pavlov
02-20-2018, 06:56 PM
Bull shit. Obama justified all the warring / official regime change on crossing that "red line"."all the warring"
What does "all the warring" constitute here?
Give a rundown of all the US military operations in Syria.
Also, is Trump unilaterally pulling out of Syria?
Pavlov
02-20-2018, 06:57 PM
Trump ended ISIS in short order. You ain't got no room to talk, bitch.:lol using the planning done during the Obama administration.
Spurtacular
02-20-2018, 06:58 PM
:lol using the planning done during the Obama administration.
:lmao
Pavlov
02-20-2018, 06:59 PM
:lmaoIt's a military operation.
You think Trump drew up the battle plan?
:rollin
Spurtacular
02-20-2018, 07:02 PM
It's a military operation.
You think Trump drew up the battle plan?
:rollin
I think the night and day differences in execution were predictable and as plain as your fat face.
Pavlov
02-20-2018, 07:04 PM
I think the night and day differences in execution were predictable and as plain as your fat face.So you think Trump drew up the battle plan AND directed the troops.
:rollin.
hater
02-20-2018, 07:09 PM
Irrelevant really. He's not going anywhere while Russia is backing him, yanks just wasting time & money arming opposition. Along with the fact that most Syrians support him - they're pretty aware of Iraq & Libya.
Pretty much this
Additionally if US was really serious about the allegations they would have agred to a UN mission of scientists. The sqme type of mission that went to Iraq and couldnt find WMDs but US still chose to ignore
Instead they choose to take Rebel claims as facts like they did with Colin Powells bullshit powerpoint presentation :lmao
Spurtacular
02-20-2018, 07:12 PM
So you think Trump drew up the battle plan AND directed the troops.
:rollin.
I think Obama and Clinton created ISIS. They weren't gonna take out their buddies.
pgardn
02-20-2018, 08:41 PM
Alleged stockpiles are not proof of use.
Alleged stockpiles are not proof of stockpiles, you want to believe want you want to believe.
There is no evidence that will sway you.
You are cemented in.
pgardn
02-20-2018, 08:43 PM
you seem to have some sort of comprehension disorder. I’m not arguing for the use of chemical weapons at all. I’m asking how is a country that uses chemical weapons (recently, in Mosul) going to accuse another country of using chemical weapons? Seems like we should lay off the white phosphorus before we get on our high horse.
What does the second to the last sentence say?
And then when and where did we use them link:
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Down Under
02-20-2018, 08:57 PM
Pretty much this
Additionally if US was really serious about the allegations they would have agred to a UN mission of scientists. The sqme type of mission that went to Iraq and couldnt find WMDs but US still chose to ignore
Instead they choose to take Rebel claims as facts like they did with Colin Powells bullshit powerpoint presentation :lmao
Plus US officials actually admitted 6 years ago that the arms were getting into the wrong hands and yet keep pushing on.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/world/middleeast/jihadists-receiving-most-arms-sent-to-syrian-rebels.html
pgardn
02-20-2018, 09:02 PM
Plus US officials actually admitted 6 years ago that the arms were getting into the wrong hands and yet keep pushing on.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/world/middleeast/jihadists-receiving-most-arms-sent-to-syrian-rebels.html
Another alt...
hater
02-20-2018, 10:12 PM
Plus US officials actually admitted 6 years ago that the arms were getting into the wrong hands and yet keep pushing on.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/world/middleeast/jihadists-receiving-most-arms-sent-to-syrian-rebels.html
Oh they were busted plenty of times. Even that leaked email of Shillary when she said we better tell our buddies the saudies to not be so obvious about arming terrorists
Down Under
02-20-2018, 11:01 PM
Another alt...
:lol
The Syrians probably did use chemical weapons in rebel held towns to flush them out, along with the Russians bombing the hospitals. Point is, stop arming & funding them - you aren't going to win & only ensuring the war is prolonged and more lives are lost.
hater
02-20-2018, 11:08 PM
Just today Ma niga Lavrov said sponsors better tell their terrrorists to calm down or they will be exterminated
pgardn
02-20-2018, 11:18 PM
:lol
The Syrians probably did use chemical weapons in rebel held towns to flush them out, along with the Russians bombing the hospitals. Point is, stop arming & funding them - you aren't going to win & only ensuring the war is prolonged and more lives are lost.
It's not gonna matter. The Iranians and Hezbollah are going to provoke for Assads guys and Assad can't do a thing about it. The Russians got a choice to make because Israel will not stand for an Iranian run State next to them.
You are looking at only one part of a bigger picture bud. It's almost like the Iranians are testing Russian will. The Russians do not want Israel involved yet Iran is gonna prod. Israel will not hold back if Hezbollah tries it's shit again from Syria.
RandomGuy
02-21-2018, 01:58 PM
Trump ended ISIS in short order. You ain't got no room to talk, bitch.
Trump fucked up, and his own defense secretary admitted it.
Trump used military action and killed people for the sole reason that he didn't want to look "weak".
No wonder you want to change the subject from you own OP. :rollin
RandomGuy
02-21-2018, 01:59 PM
Just today Ma niga Lavrov said sponsors better tell their terrrorists to calm down or they will be exterminated
Lavrov is a greasy shit, in a land of fetid corrupt turds, and makes excuses for all sorts of Russian genocides.
Hardly credible on anything.
hater
02-21-2018, 02:16 PM
Lavrov is a greasy shit, in a land of fetid corrupt turds, and makes excuses for all sorts of Russian genocides.
Hardly credible on anything.
Ma nig Lavrov is one of the most respected diplomats in the world :lol
Even Kerry said hes a great human being :lol
Makes Shitlery look like Shanaynay :lmao
RandomGuy
02-22-2018, 02:15 PM
Ma nig Lavrov is one of the most respected diplomats in the world :lol
Even Kerry said hes a great human being :lol
Makes Shitlery look like Shanaynay :lmao
:cry muh Lavrov
Few respect that greasy turd.
Fewer still respect Russia, much to Putin's chagrin.
hater
02-22-2018, 02:50 PM
:cry muh Lavrov
Few respect that greasy turd.
Fewer still respect Russia, much to Putin's chagrin.
Even less respect shillary :lmao
She spent a billion dollars and lost to a nazi and 13 trolls :lmao
pgardn
02-22-2018, 03:52 PM
Ma nig Lavrov is one of the most respected diplomats in the world :lol
Even Kerry said hes a great human being :lol
Makes Shitlery look like Shanaynay :lmao
One wonders, since he is so persuasive, why he does not run for a higher office.
Oh... I get it....
You got that nice dacha, you got that great wine cellar and car.
So you want to basically stay alive and lead the privileged life.
We know Trump and his Secretary of State have had disagreements... wonder if Lavrov and Putin... Nahhhh.
Dictatorships are quite tidy, very clean.
Thumbs up from Kerry, hell yes!
pgardn
02-22-2018, 03:58 PM
:lol
The Syrians probably did use chemical weapons in rebel held towns to flush them out, along with the Russians bombing the hospitals. Point is, stop arming & funding them - you aren't going to win & only ensuring the war is prolonged and more lives are lost.
Turkey, the Kurds, the Israelis say hello.
And the Iranians totally agree. They want a base for Hezbollah to bother Israel.
ISIS says nothing.
And this we are doing it so don't you dare...
We can change leaders, the Russian and Syrian people cannot. So we need to start doing something thru our system. Like electing a complete political newborn who is saving us.
So go change leaders. I'll wait.
pgardn
02-22-2018, 10:25 PM
So go change leaders. I'll wait.
Good.
Wait ~ 3 years for the big one.
Some others will be coming up. SA has some elections as well.
When is Putin's term up?
How long you gonna wait?
Good.
Wait ~ 3 years for the big one.
Some others will be coming up. SA has some elections as well.
When is Putin's term up?
How long you gonna wait?
Go change leaders. What are you waiting for?
boutons_deux
02-23-2018, 09:03 PM
60 minutes wiil show chem attacks
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rare-footage-shows-chemical-attack-in-syria/
Hilarious how US super-patriots defend Pootin's protege Assad, sheeple-ly falling in behinf their sheperd Trash
pgardn
02-23-2018, 09:10 PM
Go change leaders. What are you waiting for?
Democracy
....and Nov 6, 2018 ...gonna see the Elephant
You can vote early but I don't know when it begins.
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