Pop: I would be surprised if Kawhi comes back this season

[Dre_7]

According to Jabari Young

[BatManu20]

Was about to post this. Fire up the goddamn tank.


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[Robz4000]

There you have it.

[Budkin]

Fuck all this shit. Worst season ever.

[Dancelot]

Begin the tank!

[baseline bum]

Probably should have tried to trade Aldridge at the deadline then.

[spursistan]

Eh..We all expected the news.. But this is now officially career-endangering territory..

You just don't miss an entire season of basketball without you being shot physically or mentally and with no path to recovery set 4 or 5 months into the "injury".

[Ron Swanson]

Time to tank. No sense in continuing the bullshit this season.

[weeks]

No point in winning another game now

[cd021]

Tanking for the 16th and 46 picks :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

Eh..We all expected the news.. But this is now officially career-endangering territory..

You just don't miss an entire season of basketball with you being shot physically or mentally and with no path to recovery set 4 or 5 months into the "injury".

It's more than the injury. That's what some of you refuse to understand

[TheDoctor]

:lmao

Pack it up Guys!

We can do this!
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[NASpurs]

:lmao shut down the old farts too and lets develop the youngsters.

[Robz4000]

Eh..We all expected the news.. But this is now officially career-endangering territory..

You just don't miss an entire season of basketball without you being shot physically or mentally and with no path to recovery set 4 or 5 months into the "injury".

At this point it isn't the injury. Looks like those "bullshit" reports have merit.

[Dre_7]

It's more than the injury. That's what some of you refuse to understand

If he is not playing because he wants to go to LA, like a Spurs Doctor claimed, or he is unhappy about the roster as Jalen Rose said, then he should have asked for a trade. What, is he going to sit out next year too??

[spurs10]

Fuck all this shit. Worst season ever. No shit! Wish I’d know this a few weeks ago.

[NASpurs]

It's more than the injury. That's what some of you refuse to understand

Yeah there's some real dense motherfuckers in here (not referring to spursistan in particular).

[Budkin]

Video of what he said...

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[TXstbobcat]

No shit! Wish I’d know this a few weeks ago.

would you not have renewed the season tickets?

[urunobili]

Tank!

[NASpurs]

At least Rudy is back... I guess...

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[BatManu20]

At least Rudy is back... I guess...

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[LkrFan]

:wow

[Dex]

Well shit biscuits.

[Proxy]

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[spurraider21]

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[weeks]

At least Rudy is back... I guess...

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[NASpurs]

Couldn't even get a Disabled Player Exception.

[TheDoctor]

:lmao damn, I feel like a Knicks fan now wanting to tank.

[Clipper Nation]

:wow
1. The Logo trades Austin Rivers for Kawhi.
2. The Logo signs LeBron.
3. Clippers back in the hunt.

:downspin:

[weeks]

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[apalisoc_9]

If he is not playing because he wants to go to LA, like a Spurs Doctor claimed, or he is unhappy about the roster as Jalen Rose said, then he should have asked for a trade. What, is he going to sit out next year too??

What makes you think he didnt ask for trade? Maybe he did and the spurs refused.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Fuck all this shit. Worst season ever.

[DPG21920]

Probably should have tried to trade Aldridge at the deadline then.

Why? sa still wants to be good and is still a playoff team without Kawhi. If you are going to trade Kawhi, get assets, and build around this already good playoff caliber team.

[SuperCam]

PATFO Fluffers :lmao


There is a sizable chance Kiwi has played his last game ever in a Spur uniform, tbh

[Raven]

ouch

[BatManu20]

This would've been the year to tank too. 6-7 legit future All-Stars in this draft. Shitty.

[weeks]

Why? sa still wants to be good and is still a playoff team without Kawhi. If you are going to trade Kawhi, get assets, and build around this already good playoff caliber team.

what kind of assets are we going to get for kawhi at this point, though?
i'd be wondering if he isn't sitting out just to keep from getting exposed.

[spurs10]

would you not have renewed the season tickets?
Man it’s hard to say, but it would have been a more informed choice. I have my regrets about this year and don’t want to see a repeat. Hopefully all this speculation, for good reason, will be addressed.

[Proxy]

This would've been the year to tank too. 6-7 legit future All-Stars in this draft. Shitty.

Manu's last year too on another note

[Dre_7]

What makes you think he didnt ask for trade? Maybe he did and the spurs refused.

Because the Spurs aren't the kind of team to let a star player walk without getting anything back for him. But maybe he did. What do your sources say?

[Dex]

The question now becomes...what comes of Kawhi's extension/contract?

Should the Spurs sign a max extension to a guy who mysteriously could only manage to play 9 games at 50%? Probably not.

Would Kawhi hold it against them if they try to lowball him for that reason? Probably.

Would other teams be scared off by the injury to dampen the market on Kawhi? Who knows, there are a lot of dumbass GMS out there.

[spursistan]

It's more than the injury. That's what some of you refuse to understand

At this point it isn't the injury. Looks like those "bullshit" reports have merit.

I still think it is injury-related, but If he is sitting because he wants out or he's been led to act that way, then he is just a pathetic coward whom we absolutely got wrong.

Sadly, and I think Chinook was the first to point it out, people thought they were getting Duncan 2.0 for franchise player when it comes to character and off-court intangibles; instead they are about to find out he is Derrick Rose with all the brooding anxieties and anti-leader manners.

[SuperCam]

what kind of assets are we going to get for kawhi at this point, though?
i'd be wondering if he isn't sitting out just to keep from getting exposed.

You can still get a decent haul given his age. Boston would gladly gamble with Taytum and a pick. Cleveland would hand over the brooklyn pick if it lands top 3 plus Osman in a second to add Kiwi to their team.

That deal has to be made before the start of next season because if this flares up your haul turns into absolutely nothing.

[apalisoc_9]

The spurs have one opportunity in the upcoming draft. If they cant take advantage of it and trade kawhi then PATFO might as well all quit.

[LkrFan]

1. The Logo trades Austin Rivers for Kawhi.
2. The Logo signs LeBron.
3. Clippers back in the hunt.

:downspin:

The League betta get ready to grab they ankles and bite their bottom lip! :lmao

[DPG21920]

what kind of assets are we going to get for kawhi at this point, though?
i'd be wondering if he isn't sitting out just to keep from getting exposed.

I dont see any benefit to him sitting out if he’s healthy IMO. But it’s really odd to have a non-surgical injury and a team seemingly perplexed about it still with no updates.

Either the injury is really, really bad or there is other stuff going on.

Even if you can’t get assets for Kawhi dumping LmA makes no sense for a team that is still playoff quality.

[NASpurs]

I'm actually rooting for more injuries and a close to lottery draft pick seeing as the Spurs are 3 games out of the playoffs. Get my nigga Amuseddaysleeper to start the game threads now.

[weeks]

Video of what he said...

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Damn. Watching that vid, pop's body language, his tone of voice - i really think something is up beyond the injury.

notice he says "he's still not ready to go" instead of not healthy.
"we've only got a few games left in the season and he's still not ready to go...".

"we've gotta move on. the team has to realize that this is who we are, this who we have, this is who's gonna play."

[weeks]

I dont see any benefit to him sitting out if he’s healthy IMO.

unless he's never going to be the same again and doesn't want anyone to know it

[Spur|n|Austin]

No shit! Wish I’d know this a few weeks ago.

Sounds like you pulled the trigger on the season ticket renewal... Sorry dude.

[TXstbobcat]

Man it’s hard to say, but it would have been a more informed choice. I have my regrets about this year and don’t want to see a repeat. Hopefully all this speculation, for good reason, will be addressed.

I am still going to try to go to as many of the remaining home games as I can but this definitely sucks. Ticket will be cheaper on stubhub for the the rest of the season but I would rather pay more money and watch a healthy Spurs team out there. :depressed

[weeks]

Sounds like you pulled the trigger on the season ticket renewal... Sorry dude.

:lol which is exactly why they were never gonna tell us shit.

sorry, spurs10. you got Popped

[Das Texan]

Good.

Let's saddle up with the boys that fucking want to be here and do whatever we can. Trade this beta bitch in the summer.

[Spur|n|Austin]

I'm actually rooting for more injuries and a close to lottery draft pick seeing as the Spurs are 3 games out of the playoffs. Get my nigga Amuseddaysleeper (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=309) to start the game threads now.

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[weeks]

Who could have possibly imagined this at the start of the season.
Leonard didn't even have to get surgery.

[spursistan]

Dude couldn't play 5 extra minutes on adrenaline in a pivotal Game 5 in the playoffs without anything broken or severely sprained.

This still in my opinion the most plausible theory..People always forget the mental element of the game. Leonard has never shown he is the type who is going to warrior it..It is taken this guy 10 days or couple of weeks to completely recover from simple cold or gastroenteritis. He has always had a shitty immune system and pain tolerance threshold..

[wildbill2u]

I wonder if NBA teams have insurance for injuries to pay those horrendous salaries.

[Slippy]

So what this confirms ... he most likely is out for the season but POP still not 100 percent sure what the hell is going on . They not teasing fans anymore. that's progress.

That disconnect & mystery injury is the not so good sign.

[Stabula]

I'm actually rooting for more injuries and a close to lottery draft pick seeing as the Spurs are 3 games out of the playoffs. Get my nigga Amuseddaysleeper (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=309) to start the game threads now.

That poster is such a faggot tbh

[NASpurs]

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Yeah because getting raped in the playoffs and having a 20+ first round pick is better. Lots of people here enjoy the delusion of actual being good when the team really isn't.

Let me rephrase what I said though for the nancies though, no major injuries per se, just multiple season enders.

[Das Texan]

So what this confirms ... he most likely is out for the season but POP still not 100 percent sure what the hell is going on . They not teasing fans anymore. that's progress.

That disconnect & mystery injury is the not so good sign.

Has Kawhi even addressed the media since this injury? Maybe this is just a way for the Spurs to force him now to face the media since its now a long term injury whereas before it was maybe more 'day to day'.

[NASpurs]

That poster is such a faggot tbh

Says the guy with a cock in his mouth. :lol

:cry :cry

[Trill Clinton]

No we are not tanking shit. I love Kawhi but one man doesn't stop the show.

[Russ]

This should occupy a few pages . . . :)

(BTW how many days ago was season ticket reup date?)

[Spur|n|Austin]

Yeah because getting raped in the playoffs and having a 20+ first round pick is better. Lots of people here enjoy the illusion of actual being good when the team really isn't.

Let me rephrase what I said though for the nancies though, no major injuries per se, just multiple season enders.

Def not a fucking Nancy, just been a diehard fan for wayyy too many years to ever hope for season ending injuries against Spurs.

No worries, no need to change your sentiment, different folks different strokes.

[Slippy]

Has Kawhi even addressed the media since this injury? Maybe this is just a way for the Spurs to force him now to face the media since its now a long term injury whereas before it was maybe more 'day to day'.

Pop putting the a ball in Kawhais end of the court. Could be. Hopefully Kawai has a pulse & repsonds in some form... wheres that unlcle.

[Das Texan]

Pop putting the a ball in Kawhais end of the court. Could be. Hopefully Kawai has a pulse & repsonds in some form... wheres that unlcle.

supposed to respond per league rule.

[weeks]

No we are not tanking shit. I love Kawhi but one man doesn't stop the show.
will we even have a choice with this roster
50 wins is most likely RIP and who knows what seed we'll end up with

[spurs10]

Why? sa still wants to be good and is still a playoff team without Kawhi. If you are going to trade Kawhi, get assets, and build around this already good playoff caliber team. I certainly see us being able to make the playoffs. Anytime an injury or two dramatically affects a season it’s hard to see. We will go with who we have and that’s the way it is.

[Leetonidas]

Trade this aloof faggot. Tired of his bullshit already

[Russ]

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I wonder if Pop would have held him out of Game 3 in hindsight.

[weeks]

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jesus christ jeff
"it still hurts"

[Chris]

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:lol

[spurs10]

This should occupy a few pages . . . :)

(BTW how many days ago was season ticket reup date?) One week. The 14th was the last day to bail. From now on there are no refunds. That being said, my only issue was the fact that the value of the tickets drops so much when there is uncertainty about who is playing. That being said it’s an excellent time to buy expensive seats for very little.

[Cklbmk]

If he is not playing because he wants to go to LA, like a Spurs Doctor claimed, or he is unhappy about the roster as Jalen Rose said, then he should have asked for a trade. What, is he going to sit out next year too??


I think this would imply he did

[TD 21]

As some of us accepted a while ago, this was inevitable. Even in the highly unlikely event all of the rumors are untrue and he ends up extending at some point, I've lost a lost of respect for him with the way he's handled this. Not only not addressing it himself at some point, but barely even being present at games or practices.

If they haven't already, the league should be conducting an independent investigation in an attempt to get to the bottom of this. They should have a vested interest in finding out what's going on with one of their premier players and whether he does in fact want out from what's regarded as their premier organization.

The optics, particularly to casual fan (most of whom probably don't know the grisly details of last off season or the outlook going forward and just remember another 60 win season, trip to the WCF and 25 point lead, on the road, in game 1 vs prohibitive favorites), would be awful, if of all organizations, this one can't retain their own superstar.

[davidbowie]

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[DPG21920]

Spurs may lose, but LMA/Murray and others have done a great job without Kawhi. No way you bail on that now or in the off season even if Kawhi wants out.

[Russ]

The perfect play for Kawhi would be to immediately move out of SA, spend the rest of the season hanging out (visibly) in LA, not say a word to (or about) the Spurs ever again in his life, and only visit SA again with his new team (or maybe just sit out those games altogether and stay at home). :lol

[NASpurs]

Def not a fucking Nancy, just been a diehard fan for wayyy too many years to ever hope for season ending injuries against Spurs.

No worries, no need to change your sentiment, different folks different strokes.

It's all good.

I know there's others that agree with you, with me and somewhere in the middle. I'm just on one side of the spectrum and the way I worded things was pretty aggressive, but whatever.

[sasaint]

Has Kawhi even addressed the media since this injury? Maybe this is just a way for the Spurs to force him now to face the media since its now a long term injury whereas before it was maybe more 'day to day'.

Kawhi's vocal cords are injured.

[Russ]

Kawhi's vocal cords are injured.

The Spurs' doctors misdiagnosed it and Kawhi may never be able to speak again. :depressed

[BatManu20]

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[Play Boban]

cut this pos. this is worse than drose. He’s faking an injury and rolling in the dough,

[cd98]

Why can’t some reporter get the scoop and end the speculation?

[Keepin' it real]

Why can’t some reporter get the scoop and end the speculation?

Because nobody outside of us gives a shit.

[MoSpur02]

This why I think the Spurs got permission to try and seek a trade for Kawhi. They probably didn't get any offers that they liked and didn't pull the trigger. My opinion is that this has nothing to do with an injury. This is more mental than physical. That's what I understood from what I was told and from what I have have gathered with the interviews of Pop, RC, and Aldridge.

[cd98]

Because nobody outside of us gives a shit.

They care purely for the gossip.

[bklynspursfan]

Even HOTS couldn't offer any inside scoops :wow just said he's staying positive and even said "I had the same injury"

Happy Rudy is back. I hope he's ready to play a significant role

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[Leetonidas]

This why I think the Spurs got permission to try and seek a trade for Kawhi. They probably didn't get any offers that they liked and didn't pull the trigger. My opinion is that this has nothing to do with an injury. This is more mental than physical. That's what I understood from what I was told and from what I have have gathered with the interviews of Pop, RC, and Aldridge.

The fuck are you talking about? Spurs dont need permission to trade Kawhi. And all reports we heard at the deadline is the spurs shut down any trade talks. So that makes no sense

[SpurPadre]

Fuck this season, tbh.

[spurs10]

Sounds like you pulled the trigger on the season ticket renewal... Sorry dude.


:lol which is exactly why they were never gonna tell us shit.

sorry, spurs10. you got Popped :lol Truth is I’ll probably go to the same amount of games... the problem will be when I’m working and can’t go and need to sell. There is no way you’ll get the value. Maybe next year we will have everyone back. Again I encourage all the fans, like TXstbobcat, to attend a lot of games....tickets are really cheap....stubhub, Spurs.com etc.

[cd98]

Rudy Gay now has to replace Kawhi. Wonderful.

[MoSpur02]

The fuck are you talking about? Spurs dont need permission to trade Kawhi. And all reports we heard at the deadline is the spurs shut down any trade talks. So that makes no sense

Pop and RC got permission from ownership to trade. And since when have the Spurs ever spoke to the media about seeking a trade at the deadline?

[Spur|n|Austin]

It's all good.

I know there's others that agree with you, with me and somewhere in the middle. I'm just on one side of the spectrum and the way I worded things was pretty aggressive, but whatever.

:tu

[Leetonidas]

I dunno man, but we're supposed to trust someone spoke to you about it? :lol

[Keepin' it real]

If this truly is injury-related, I hope Kawhi isn't battling something way more sinister than we're thinking, like the case of Freddie Steinmark. That would explain the secrecy.

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[Spur|n|Austin]

:lol Truth is I’ll probably go to the same amount of games... the problem will be when I’m working and can’t go and need to sell. There is no way you’ll get the value. Maybe next year we will have everyone back. Again I encourage all the fans, like TXstbobcat, to attend a lot of games....tickets are really cheap....stubhub, Spurs.com etc.

When are your seats? If lower level PM me and we'll buy them off you when we can make it :tu

[MoSpur02]

I dunno man, but we're supposed to trust someone spoke to you about it? :lol

You don't have to believe me. It's not gonna keep me up at night if you don't believe me.

[Leetonidas]

yeah you've made that pretty clear you're not posting here for attention and :cry you dont need to believe me i dont care :cry

then stfu already and stop talking like you know anything for real

[cjw]

Yeah because getting raped in the playoffs and having a 20+ first round pick is better. Lots of people here enjoy the illusion of actual being good when the team really isn't.

Let me rephrase what I said though for the nancies though, no major injuries per se, just multiple season enders.

If you’re not going to compete for a title, then don’t try. Better to finally get a blue chip pick. Can easily tank into the lottery, though will be hard to be inside of 12.

[gospursgojas]

1. The Logo trades Austin Rivers for Kawhi.
2. The Logo signs LeBron.
3. Clippers back in the hunt.

:downspin:

Y’all aren’t tired of a potential “franchise players” that can’t stay healthy?

[bklynspursfan]

Rudy Gay: 'we support Kawhi, but we can't sit around waiting, we have a job to do'

[Chillen]

Video of what he said...

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I am good at reading body language and Pop is full of sh*t. Kawhi doesn't want to play there is friction between them and the Spurs FO would be my guess.

[benefactor]

Tank tbh

[baseline bum]

I wonder if NBA teams have insurance for injuries to pay those horrendous salaries.

Yes. The only contract I can remember where the team couldn't get any injury insurance was Stoudemire's deal in New York.

[MoSpur02]

Pop's body language speaks volumes. Rudy Gay also pretty much saying he isn't expecting Kawhi back. Tony seems positive though.

[lefty]

Nah he'll be back.

CIA Pop playing mind games

[Russ]

Fuck this season, tbh.

Maybe not, It could be Pop is using the last desperate trick in the coaching handbook, used by Gene Hackman on his star player in "Hoosiers" as Hackman turned his back and walked away:


I can tell you this: I don't care if you play on the team or not.


So, Pop, run the picket fence . . . :lol

[hater]

Damn. Watching that vid, pop's body language, his tone of voice - i really think something is up beyond the injury.

notice he says "he's still not ready to go" instead of not healthy.
"we've only got a few games left in the season and he's still not ready to go...".

"we've gotta move on. the team has to realize that this is who we are, this who we have, this is who's gonna play."

Yup Pop looks like has stopped communicating with Kawhi or his uncles.

I dont think Kawhi comes back a spur he will be traded

I hope finally Manure and Poop retire as well in the offseason

[baseline bum]

Couldn't even get a Disabled Player Exception.

So he is able to wipe his own ass then?

[hater]

Nah he'll be back.

CIA Pop playing mind games

“No mindgames here.” - tony parker

[tbdog]

Someone needs to get a search warrant on the Warriors and find this voodoo doll.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Yeah this is just insane. He’s not injured, but he’s still not ready to play? It’s been almost 5 months since this injury came about. People come back from broken bones and surgeries in 5 months. It’s also weird that Rudy says “we support Kawhi”. Another thing is this is compete BS that no one can get a couple minutes to talk to him for an interview or anything. This guy was a top 3 player not even a year ago and he’s just nothing right now.

[spurraider21]

Who plays first... Kawhi or Fultz?
len bias

[MVPCues]

FUBAR :rolleyes

[spursistan]

Yeah, Pop's body language and delivery has me worried..It just looks like they know they are about to make a franchise-altering decision in the summer..

[spurs10]

Sounds like you pulled the trigger on the season ticket renewal... Sorry dude.


When are your seats? If lower level PM me and we'll buy them off you when we can make it :tu
Cool will do! They are lower level...near the bench and the tunnel. Fun place to sit!

[tmtcsc]

Pop putting the a ball in Kawhais end of the court.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Pop doesn't give a shit about the Media. He wasn't trying to be "honest" with the fans. Dude was straight telling Kawhi that the ball is in his court now. You either start playing now or we're going to get control of this thing and rule you out for the rest of the year.

That statement by Pop was really telling. He's pissed and frustrated. He's telling Kawhi and his uncle that this is his team and the hijacking bullshit is over.

[baseline bum]

:lmao shut down the old farts too and lets develop the youngsters.

What youngsters? Kawhi is the only young talent on the team. :lol

[Chillen]

Yeah this is just insane. He’s not injured, but he’s still not ready to play? It’s been almost 5 months since this injury came about. People come back from broken bones and surgeries in 5 months. It’s also weird that Rudy says “we support Kawhi”. Another thing is this is compete BS that no one can get a couple minutes to talk to him for an interview or anything. This guy was a top 3 player not even a year ago and he’s just nothing right now.

He is either injured or not. I doubt it, I sense huge friction between Pop and Kawhi and Spurs FO and Spurs trainers. Has anyone actually spoken to Kawhi about it? If there is friction they will either work it out or he is getting traded in the offseason or before next season starts.

[gospursgojas]

Even HOTS couldn't offer any inside scoops :wow just said he's staying positive and even said "I had the same injury"

Happy Rudy is back. I hope he's ready to play a significant role

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Tony has always been a great source of inside info. I think by his tone and almost sarcastic “I’m gonna think positive” and “no mind games here” Kawhi is bitching out and the team thinks so too. Fuck him.

[objective]

Probably should have tried to trade Aldridge at the deadline then.

Could be wrong, but by rule I think signing an extension meant he was ineligible for trade this season

[hater]

IMO theres some psychological aspects in this situation

He just doesnt enjoy the franchise or the city. It happens.

[cd98]

Missing Tim’s leadership. Where’s Manu? This is his job.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Cool will do! They are lower level...near the bench and the tunnel. Fun place to sit!

Awesome! Let me know if you’re ever in a pinch to sell!

[hater]

Kawhi is no regular NBA brotha. No way he seeks reconciliation. Hes the type when he stops talking to you its forever :lol

Hope we can land something for him this offseason tbqh

But his trade value is at an all time low

[LkrFan]

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:wow

[boutons_deux]

Either the injury is really, really bad

nope, doesn't have to be that bad, only bad enough where there constant, weakening, even minor pain, which prevents full usage, plus the docs might say playing before pain-free and fully healed could result in permanent, or MUCH longer recovery.

[LkrFan]

Kawhi is no regular NBA brotha. No way he seeks reconciliation. Hes the type when he stops talking to you its forever :lol

Hope we can land something for him this offseason tbqh

But his trade value is at an all time low

Agreed. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hgo8wk2

:downspin:

[gospursgojas]

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:wow

Fuck. This. Guy.

[Nathan89]

Doesn't want to play for the Spurs anymore it seems. Pop/FO must've pissed him off. Sad smdh. :depressed

[dbreiden83080]

For Fuck Sake how soft is this man? The dream of him ever replacing Timmy is long dead. I still have no clue WTF is wrong with him? No surgery on the leg and he misses the whole season???? When has this ever happened? You are hurt, and need surgery you get it, and there is a timeline for recovery. You just need rehab you do it, with a timeline for recovery.. This has been insanity with his injury and total garbage..

[MoSpur02]

This proves what I said all along. He checked out awhile back, which is why the front office either sought to trade him or strongly considered it

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

He's always been a faggot, fuck him

[spurraider21]

imagine ST if kawhi announces his decision to leave the spurs is based on his fractured relationship with Pop as he dons a MAGA hat

[RD2191]

Told y'all faggots he was LA bound. :lol

[robert1886]

I’m not jumping ship yet on Kawhi . But for being the face of this organization and all the drama this is creating . He should have made some sort of statement. He owes that to at least the fans.

[Poolboy5623]

It’s pretty obvious he doesn’t want to play for the Spurs anymore..

[spurraider21]

I’m not jumping ship yet on Kawhi . But for being the face of this organization and all the drama this is creating . He should have made some sort of statement. He owes that to at least the fans.
this sums it up from my perspective, too

[dbreiden83080]

Doesn't want to play for the Spurs anymore it seems. Pop/FO must've pissed him off. Sad smdh. :depressed

Well he has 1 more year and no trade value now. So if this was a ploy, he is not very smart.. He is quitting on his team.. Not by playing bad, no he is refusing to play. Nobody wants someone like that..

[Mikeanaro]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWmZEUXVQAA2c_d.jpg

[dbreiden83080]

It’s pretty obvious he doesn’t want to play for the Spurs anymore..

Nobody will want him. He is quitting.. Apparently he can play but just will NOT.. Fuck him..

[baseline bum]

Agreed. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hgo8wk2

:downspin:

Holy fuck how does a living player post a PER of 5.6? And how are the Lakers paying $17 million a season for that shit? :lmao

[NASpurs]

Told y'all faggots he was LA bound. :lol

My nigga calling it for years.

[daslicer]

For Fuck Sake how soft is this man? The dream of him ever replacing Timmy is long dead. I still have no clue WTF is wrong with him? No surgery on the leg and he misses the whole season???? When has this ever happened? You are hurt, and need surgery you get it, and there is a timeline for recovery. You just need rehab you do it, with a timeline for recovery.. This has been insanity with his injury and total garbage..

I believe his uncle has wanted him in LA for years. He just never could find a justifiable argument to get him to go there. I don't believe the spurs mishandled this injury. From what I have read about it and have been told by my friend whose a doctor that this injury can easily be detected because its basically just soreness of the quads. You can get it from working out too hard. The spurs could not have done anything to prevent it and the only thing they could have done is tell Kawhi to rest in which they did. In a nutshell to me it's just a bunch of bs. Kawhi's uncle is using this mysterious injury as a card to get out of SA. Kawhi I believe is also on the same page and I think he probably has always wanted to be back home in LA.

[baseline bum]

Told y'all faggots he was LA bound. :lol

Trade him to Tijuana tbh, fuck LA

[Down Under]

Lucky he didn't sign that extension & re-signed as a restricted free agent. Top 5 talent doesn't grow on trees, no matter what you want to do with it.

[cd98]

Is this mindset of not playing while injured actually Pop’s fault for always sitting his players for whatever, including his ankle last year? Or is it Kawhi, not Pop who insisted he was done after game2?

[TimDunkem]

He doesn't want to be here.

[gospursgojas]

Is this mindset of not playing while injured actually Pop’s fault for always sitting his players for whatever, including his ankle last year? Or is it Kawhi, not Pop who insisted he was done after game2?

He’s fine. Docs said so. This is a ploy to get out of SA.

[Nathan89]

imagine ST if kawhi announces his decision to leave the spurs is based on his fractured relationship with Pop as he dons a MAGA hat

That would be upsetting tbh. Considering Pop was all giggles shaking carpet bombing Obama's hand after 2014 and is now on some moral high horse.

[gilmor]

Its obvious from Pop's and Tony's interviews, they are pretty fed up with Kawhi and his drama-mama's attitude..

Just wait for Manu to say the same thing..

[coachmac87]

He’s fine. Docs said so. This is a ploy to get out of SA.

That’s a horrible idea. How does that benefit Kawhi??

[Dex]

He doesn't want to be here.

He was at the hair salon!

[Dex]

That’s a horrible idea. How does that benefit Kawhi??

I agree. If Kawhi really DOES want out of San Antonio...exaggerating an injury does nothing but tank his trade value, and the Spurs aren't going to move him without massive return. He's shooting himself in the foot if he is hoping for an early exit.

Otherwise, he is under contract until 19/20...what is he going to do, just sit out until then?

[8FOR!3]

So what do we do heading into the playoffs assuming Rudy Gay comes out and plays well and is ready to play bigger minutes? Give Kyle the job since he's more used to it at this point or do we start Rudy at the 3? If Kyle is the starting 3 that starting lineup really lacks shooting, not that he doesn't bring positive things to the table too.

[davidbowie]

this fool is gone. smh

[Russ]

I agree. If Kawhi really DOES want out of San Antonio...exaggerating an injury does nothing but tank his trade value, and the Spurs aren't going to move him without massive return. He's shooting himself in the foot if he is hoping for an early exit.

Otherwise, he is under contract until 19/20...what is he going to do, just sit out until then?

Wouldn't it just be a game of chicken between Kawhi and the Spurs at that point?

Kawhi wants to be traded for less so it doesn't deplete his new team's roster.

The Spurs want a return.

So Kawhi says, I'll sit out and you can continue to pay me to be an ongoing neverending disruption if you want.

Who blinks first?

[Dex]

Wouldn't it just be a game of chicken between Kawhi and the Spurs at that point?

Kawhi wants to be traded for less so it doesn't deplete his new team's roster.

The Spurs want a return.

So Kawhi says, I'll sit out and you can continue to pay me to be an ongoing neverending disruption if you want.

Who blinks first?

Seems like bullshit that a player can just refuse to play. What good is a contract if he doesn't have to hold up his end and the Spurs have to foot the bill?

[tholdren]

Fuck all this shit. Worst season ever.

Kl worst spur ever

[UZER]

Been saying it for a while, Pop is not an easy man to play for, coach or system. Some people just can't handle it.

Not excusing Kawhi, but Pop and his stubborn old ways, and this shtick that shtick, on and on. Some people just don't want to play for that.

LMA is the only major prime free agent to ever sign here, and look how he struggled.

PATFO always like to ask the first question, "Is he a Spurs?" Well guess what, Tim Duncan ain't walking through that door. Tony and Manu aren't walking through that door.

Stars don't want to play for Pop period.

[Russ]

Kl worst spur ever

Even if Kawhi comes back could you ever see Pop coaching him harder than anyone -- like he did with Duncan -- to show the rest of the team that, if Pop treats the star that way, they all need to fall in line.

No way that kind of trust can exist now.

The "Spurs Way" finally seems to be over no matter what happens from here on out.

[tholdren]

Trade

[tholdren]

Even if Kawhi comes back could you ever see Pop coaching him harder than anyone -- like he did with Duncan -- to show the rest of the team that, if Pop treats the star that way, they all need to fall in line.

No way that kind of trust can exist now.

The "Spurs Way" finally seems to be over no matter what happens from here on out.

Todays nba. Shitty players w no skill crying

[phxspurfan]

Even if Kawhi comes back could you ever see Pop coaching him harder than anyone -- like he did with Duncan -- to show the rest of the team that, if Pop treats the star that way, they all need to fall in line.

No way that kind of trust can exist now.

The "Spurs Way" finally seems to be over no matter what happens from here on out.

If we execute a trade for someone good it's not over.

[gospursgojas]

Wouldn't it just be a game of chicken between Kawhi and the Spurs at that point?

Kawhi wants to be traded for less so it doesn't deplete his new team's roster.

The Spurs want a return.

So Kawhi says, I'll sit out and you can continue to pay me to be an ongoing neverending disruption if you want.

Who blinks first?

I would think theres some sort of legal protection the spurs have to a player who’s be been medically cleared to play but refuses.

[bklynspursfan]

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[tbdog]

Paul is dellusional.

[ElNono]

hope his quad explodes, tbh

[Dre_7]

Paul is dellusional.

So you think Fergie was a wise choice?

[Brazil]

we have been blessed with tony manu bruce tim tbh...

[Brazil]

hope his quad explodes, tbh

Even our our washed up old farts boys are tougher at 40 y/o than this baby doll... kinda sad

[MultiTroll]

nope, doesn't have to be that bad, only bad enough where there constant, weakening, even minor pain, which prevents full usage, plus the docs might say playing before pain-free and fully healed could result in permanent, or MUCH longer recovery.
This is entirely possible imo.
ST Spurfan in general has diagnosed Kahwi as faking it. I don't believe he is.

[offset formation]

Because the Spurs aren't the kind of team to let a star player walk without getting anything back for him. But maybe he did. What do your sources say?

Lol. Is this legit, or like one of those role playing questions?

[Dre_7]

Lol. Is this legit, or like one of those role playing questions?

:lol well everyone seems to have sources

[phxspurfan]

This is entirely possible imo.
ST Spurfan in general has diagnosed Kahwi as faking it. I don't believe he is.

If he isn't faking it -- what is he, like 25? What does that say about his prospects for a healthy, long career as an all star (which going for a SuperMax contract would imply). It's got Brandon Roy written all over it.

If he is faking it/trying to get out of town -- How will Spurs fans feel when he balls out on the Clippers next season/season after next? How will it feel to see him "miraculously healed" and dunking on people/hitting those MJ fadeaways again, as if some magic elixir of Southern California helped so much?

[offset formation]

:lol well everyone seems to have sources

No doubt.

[YGWHI]

The fuck are you talking about? Spurs dont need permission to trade Kawhi. And all reports we heard at the deadline is the spurs shut down any trade talks. So that makes no sense


Pop and RC got permission from ownership to trade. And since when have the Spurs ever spoke to the media about seeking a trade at the deadline?

Since they did it. So...your "source" told you that they tried to trade Kawhi? He was wrong? I wonder why...


League sources said their calls on Leonard were shut down before they started, so it’s not likely that San Antonio is ready to do anything drastic with Leonard.

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/1/30/16950808/sources-san-antonio-spurs-shutting-down-any-kawhi-leonard-trade-inquiries

[Spurtacular]

Was about to post this. Fire up the goddamn tank.



Time to tank. No sense in continuing the bullshit this season.


Begin the tank!

How does tanking to 43 wins help us?

[exstatic]

If he isn't faking it -- what is he, like 25? What does that say about his prospects for a healthy, long career as an all star (which going for a SuperMax contract would imply). It's got Brandon Roy written all over it.

If he is faking it/trying to get out of town -- How will Spurs fans feel when he balls out on the Clippers next season/season after next? How will it feel to see him "miraculously healed" and dunking on people/hitting those MJ fadeaways again, as if some magic elixir of Southern California helped so much?
I can all but guarantee that if it gets to the point of shipping him out, LA will not be the destination. They’ll get the best deal they can, and be in no mood to accommodate Kawhi and family.

[BatManu20]

I can all but guarantee that if it gets to the point of shipping him out, LA will not be the destination. They’ll get the best deal they can, and be in no mood to accommodate Kawhi and family.

Hopefully Boston, tbh. I wan't Kawhi to be a Spur for life. Worst case scenario would be Kawhi being moved. But IF it happens, I hope it's to Beantown.

[dynamodr3w]

Ok guys since I haven't posted in a while, this is what happened. Don't ask me how I know, but I do. Kawhi leonard was doing fine in his rehab, they MRI'd his knee a while back, and it was healing. The insertion of the tendon was atrophic , and they were hopeful through training and less use it would increase in size . And so it did ...after another one was done 3 months later. After his return, he started noticing sharp pains. They did an MRI with contrast this time, and was found to have microfractures at his plateau but it was minimal, they recommended microfracture surgery. He was in new york to get a second opinion, he tried to avoid surgery as much as possible, they also recommended surgery to repair his tendon aka "anchor". There ya go, stop with all the school girl shit. ******It's most likely he will have season ending surgery******. Oh, and if you're wondering why he was mad..its true. He felt like it was a mis diagnosis , contrast is important in MRIs.




Edited this 30 minutes later, just wanted to let you guys know I made this all up...just thought it was funny with all these people and their sources/assumptions. LOL!!! :lol

[Ice009]

This why I think the Spurs got permission to try and seek a trade for Kawhi. They probably didn't get any offers that they liked and didn't pull the trigger. My opinion is that this has nothing to do with an injury. This is more mental than physical. That's what I understood from what I was told and from what I have have gathered with the interviews of Pop, RC, and Aldridge.

Can you elaborate? Is he shit scared to play in case it gets worse, or can he just not deal with any pain whatsoever?

[Spur|n|Austin]

Ok guys since I haven't posted in a while, this is what happened. Don't ask me how I know, but I do. Kawhi leonard was doing fine in his rehab, they MRI'd his knee a while back, and it was healing. The insertion of the tendon was atrophic , and they were hopeful through training and less use it would increase in size . And so it did ...after another one was done 3 months later. After his return, he started noticing sharp pains. They did an MRI with contrast this time, and was found to have microfractures at his plateau but it was minimal, they recommended microfracture surgery. He was in new york to get a second opinion, he tried to avoid surgery as much as possible, they also recommended surgery to repair his tendon aka "anchor". There ya go, stop with all the school girl shit. ******It's most likely he will have season ending surgery******. Oh, and if you're wondering why he was mad..its true. He felt like it was a mis diagnosis , contrast is important in MRIs.

But how’d you know that?

[NASpurs]

Ok guys since I haven't posted in a while, this is what happened. Don't ask me how I know, but I do. Kawhi leonard was doing fine in his rehab, they MRI'd his knee a while back, and it was healing. The insertion of the tendon was atrophic , and they were hopeful through training and less use it would increase in size . And so it did ...after another one was done 3 months later. After his return, he started noticing sharp pains. They did an MRI with contrast this time, and was found to have microfractures at his plateau but it was minimal, they recommended microfracture surgery. He was in new york to get a second opinion, he tried to avoid surgery as much as possible, they also recommended surgery to repair his tendon aka "anchor". There ya go, stop with all the school girl shit. ******It's most likely he will have season ending surgery******. Oh, and if you're wondering why he was mad..its true. He felt like it was a mis diagnosis , contrast is important in MRIs.

So if he’s going to get season-ending surgery, why does Pop leave the door open as to Kawhi possibly returning?

[MaNu4Tres]

So if he’s going to get season-ending surgery, why does Pop leave the door open as to Kawhi possibly returning?

Spurs doctors have medically cleared him. Weird indeed.

[tbdog]

Financially, this is Leonard primary thought process. Isaiah Thomas is looking at a mid level when before it was a mac because he played injured. Derrick Rose came back when the bulls cleared him, even though he said he wasn't ready.

[dynamodr3w]

So if he’s going to get season-ending surgery, why does Pop leave the door open as to Kawhi possibly returning?


Because pop really doesn't know. It's a waiting game....He's already mentioned he was surprised his rehab was slower, then they discovered minor micro-fractures which can linger on...worsen if not repaired. He wanted to wing it in hoping it would heal which was a possibility, but given the sport hes in..unlikely.

[dynamodr3w]

Spurs doctors have medically cleared him. Weird indeed.

they medically cleared him back when he returned, now its a matter of pain tolerance, if it heals... or not - surgery.

[lmbebo]

Ok guys since I haven't posted in a while, this is what happened. Don't ask me how I know, but I do. Kawhi leonard was doing fine in his rehab, they MRI'd his knee a while back, and it was healing. The insertion of the tendon was atrophic , and they were hopeful through training and less use it would increase in size . And so it did ...after another one was done 3 months later. After his return, he started noticing sharp pains. They did an MRI with contrast this time, and was found to have microfractures at his plateau but it was minimal, they recommended microfracture surgery. He was in new york to get a second opinion, he tried to avoid surgery as much as possible, they also recommended surgery to repair his tendon aka "anchor". There ya go, stop with all the school girl shit. ******It's most likely he will have season ending surgery******. Oh, and if you're wondering why he was mad..its true. He felt like it was a mis diagnosis , contrast is important in MRIs.

Contrast has its uses, but the things you listed, it doesn't make a difference in making those diagnosis.

I'm not the one who read the MRI or know what the surgeon would have advised treatment options. But surgery isn't always the best option. If they body can repair/heal itself, then better at returning to its baseline. If conservative treatment has failed, then maybe you start talking about alternatives. You can feel mismanaged, but doesn't mean you are. Sometimes surgery is the best option, repairing a bone, etc. Cartilage injuries and soft tissue injuries are different.

[Ice009]

Ok guys since I haven't posted in a while, this is what happened. Don't ask me how I know, but I do. Kawhi leonard was doing fine in his rehab, they MRI'd his knee a while back, and it was healing. The insertion of the tendon was atrophic , and they were hopeful through training and less use it would increase in size . And so it did ...after another one was done 3 months later. After his return, he started noticing sharp pains. They did an MRI with contrast this time, and was found to have microfractures at his plateau but it was minimal, they recommended microfracture surgery. He was in new york to get a second opinion, he tried to avoid surgery as much as possible, they also recommended surgery to repair his tendon aka "anchor". There ya go, stop with all the school girl shit. ******It's most likely he will have season ending surgery******. Oh, and if you're wondering why he was mad..its true. He felt like it was a mis diagnosis , contrast is important in MRIs.

If true, this sounds bad. Is microfracture surgery more advanced these days? I remember when players got this on their knee/s back in the day, most of them never came back the same. Is microfracture surgery only for knees, or can you do it in other areas?

[dynamodr3w]

Contrast has its uses, but the things you listed, it doesn't make a difference in making those diagnosis.

I'm not the one who read the MRI or know what the surgeon would have advised treatment options. But surgery isn't always the best option. If they body can repair/heal itself, then better at returning to its baseline. If conservative treatment has failed, then maybe you start talking about alternatives. You can feel mismanaged, but doesn't mean you are. Sometimes surgery is the best option, repairing a bone, etc. Cartilage injuries and soft tissue injuries are different.

Without contrast blood doesn't typically light up, or metabolic activity. Microfractures can be missed w/o contrast.

[tbdog]

So you think Fergie was a wise choice?

It's an anthem, not a God damn song. It represents the country, past and present, those who died defending their flag, and those who did their best to make the country better. Fergie treated it as a self promotion. It represents America today. One big entertaining show.

[NASpurs]

Spurs doctors have medically cleared him. Weird indeed.

The guy keeps using “they” but doesn’t specify. Seems like the first “they” were the Spurs doctors and now the same “they“ are saying that he needs surgery when it’s been said that he’s been cleared by Spurs doctors. Something doesn’t add up.

[dynamodr3w]

The guy keeps using “they” but doesn’t specify. Seems like the first “they” were the Spurs doctors and now the same “they“ are saying that he needs surgery when it’s been said that he’s been cleared by Spurs doctors. Something doesn’t add up.

You're right..i made the whole shit up!!! had you guys fooled though. hahahaha ..laugh for the night. Hey ya never know :D:lol
Now we can go back to saying they hate eachother now! lol

[NASpurs]

You're right..i made the whole shit up!!! had you guys fooled though. hahahaha ..laugh for the night. Hey ya never know :D:lol
Now we can go back to saying they hate eachother now! lol

:lol too many holes man but you had me going for a sec since everyone has a source on here.

[ElNono]

This site always broke news way before that clown McDonald, tbh... Wojbomb too... talk about a cushy job...

[dynamodr3w]

:lol too many holes man but you had me going for a sec since everyone has a source on here.

that was the whole point.....everyone assuming they know whats going on. lol. I made it pretty convincing though hahaha

[BatManu20]

You've all beed had :lol

[Ice009]

LOL. Fuck all of those of you that are lying.

[baseline bum]

Hopefully Boston, tbh. I wan't Kawhi to be a Spur for life. Worst case scenario would be Kawhi being moved. But IF it happens, I hope it's to Beantown.

But it sounds like he wants to go to Beanertown instead tbh

[NASpurs]

Is the Spurs doctor still Dr Schmidt? If Kawhi bolts because of him, should he still have job security like the Jeff McDonlads hacks of this world?

[MaNu4Tres]

Is the Spurs doctor still Dr Schmidt? If Kawhi bolts because of him, should he still have job security like the Jeff McDonlads hacks of this world?

They have many doctors. And Spurs actually brought in some of the best tendon doctors in the world for Kawhis' injury tbh.. More than just theirs.

[NASpurs]

They have many doctors. And Spurs actually brought in some of the best tendon doctors in the world for Kawhis' injury tbh.. More than just theirs.

Then why the hell is going to New York for a second opinion when it’s probably like a 40th opinion by now. “Yeah dude you’re fine, stop being a pussy, nothing’s wrong with you.”

[YGWHI]

Then why the hell is going to New York for a second opinion when it’s probably like a 40th opinion by now. “Yeah dude you’re fine, stop being a pussy, nothing’s wrong with you.”

Or the previous 39 opinions weren't all coincident...Otherwise, Kawhi would have traveled to NYC without Spurs staff..But they already traveled with him.

A bit of common sense doesn't hurt.

[NASpurs]

Or the previous 39 opinions weren't all coincident...Otherwise, Kawhi would have traveled to NYC without Spurs staff..But they already traveled with him.

A bit of common sense doesn't hurt.

:lol he’s not looking for a diagnosis for why he’s coughing up blood and where’s the cancer.

As much as you like to stick up for the guy, ever thought his pain might be mental? No one can find shit probably because he doesn’t have shit and the dude probably needs to get his head checked. “Mystery” injury. Yeah let’s see what the NY doctors say.

[diego]

Hopefully Boston, tbh. I wan't Kawhi to be a Spur for life. Worst case scenario would be Kawhi being moved. But IF it happens, I hope it's to Beantown.

if spurs trade leonard, its because he wants out.
If he forced his way out, its because he's an ungrateful POS. Contrary to his troll army crying for him all over this forum, spurs have put him in an amazing position, made him a franchise player with all sorts of awards, deep into playoffs etc etc. He could retire today and still have a better resume than 90% of nba players. they played him low minutes, adjusted the entire style of play to him, and got him to the WCF as the main player. Leonard has never played more than 2500 minutes in a season- derrick rose averaged 2966 the three years prior to breaking down, pop is the anti-thibodeau.

If he had played all season and the spurs finished out of the playoffs or 8th and he wanted out, maybe, MAYBE, the trolls would have an argument. But even without him his teammates well enough to keep the team in striking distance for his return (despite loads of injuries to other players besides KL). Not coming back this year, and not saying anything himself about it!, would be extremely bitch made, unless there is a legit injury some credible doctor can identify.

I hope kawhi finds that doctor, and gets right and stays with the team... but if he leaves, fuck him, trade his ass to the nets, hornets, grizzlies and let them see what its like to have a bad team and front office behind you.

[BillMc]

Kawhi's vocal cords are injured.
:lol

[tbdog]

I think this is Leonard's agent telling him not make this a bad injury and only play when ready. If he goes down, he will end up like I.Thomas.

[Play Boban]

Kawhi is a Republican, which is why he hates poop and wants out tbh. And who can blame him with this Jane Fonda wannabe leading the team?

[NASpurs]

You think whatever they find is going to be named after Kawhi, you know with it being a “never seen before” type injury and such a “mystery “ otherwise Kawhitis is just going to be synonymous with “pussy with a low threshold of pain”.

[Play Boban]

imagine ST if kawhi announces his decision to leave the spurs is based on his fractured relationship with Pop as he dons a MAGA hat
:lol

Add in a “Hillary for Prison” shirt just to piss poop off even more. :bobo

[BillMc]

Kawhi has become that girlfriend who starts making excuses about being busy every Friday and Saturday night. Sooner or later you stop calling and go another direction....And that's what she wants....

[SAGirl]

Damn. Watching that vid, pop's body language, his tone of voice - i really think something is up beyond the injury.

notice he says "he's still not ready to go" instead of not healthy.
"we've only got a few games left in the season and he's still not ready to go...".

"we've gotta move on. the team has to realize that this is who we are, this who we have, this is who's gonna play."
Agree with your observations. Body language, tone of voice and choice of words told me: RESIGNATION. He's basically resigned to the current status quo. At least Rudy is back and that will help some.

[SAGirl]

Kawhi has become that girlfriend who starts making excuses about being busy every Friday and Saturday night. Sooner or later you stop calling and go another direction....And that's what she wants....
Many here do not want to see it.
Ohhh it hurts when you love the girl so much. It's tough, but there's a share of guys who don't take a hint well and they have to be told explicitly why you don't want to go out anymore. It's awkward and uncomfortable, there's no way to save face, and you might not like what you hear. But perhaps you need to hear it for closure.

[phxspurfan]

Financially, this is Leonard primary thought process. Isaiah Thomas is looking at a mid level when before it was a mac because he played injured. Derrick Rose came back when the bulls cleared him, even though he said he wasn't ready.

Derrick Rose tore the other knee (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-derrick-roses-many-injuries-and-the-impact-on-the-bulls-20141121-htmlstory.html). Thomas is 5 foot 2. No comparison

[BillMc]

Many here do not want to see it.
Ohhh it hurts when you love the girl so much. It's tough, but there's a share of guys who don't take a hint well and they have to be told explicitly why you don't want to go out anymore. It's awkward and uncomfortable, there's no way to save face, and you might not like what you hear. But perhaps you need to hear it for closure.

:lolKawhi has opened a Tinder account and blocked Spurs on Facebook. Yet, Spurs still long for one last kiss....

[MoSpur02]

Can you elaborate? Is he shit scared to play in case it gets worse, or can he just not deal with any pain whatsoever?

My understanding is he's worried about the injury getting worse. I can understand that to a certain point. However, he's been cleared and has been cleared for some time now as Woj confirmed. It's his decision now.

The thread I created before the trade deadline about Kawhi being traded that was removed stated he was fine according to the Spurs staff and stated that he was disconnected, which again Woj confirmed. From the things I was told and all the interviews is that it's a mental thing. In my opinion I believe he has anxiety, which is not good to have and can affect so many things in a person's life including their profession, which I believe has happened here.

[Nathan89]

Still a fan until he leaves tbh. He could possibly be hurt. Nobody knows his body better than himself. Just have to wait and see what happens.

[dbreiden83080]

I believe his uncle has wanted him in LA for years. He just never could find a justifiable argument to get him to go there. I don't believe the spurs mishandled this injury. From what I have read about it and have been told by my friend whose a doctor that this injury can easily be detected because its basically just soreness of the quads. You can get it from working out too hard. The spurs could not have done anything to prevent it and the only thing they could have done is tell Kawhi to rest in which they did. In a nutshell to me it's just a bunch of bs. Kawhi's uncle is using this mysterious injury as a card to get out of SA. Kawhi I believe is also on the same page and I think he probably has always wanted to be back home in LA.

I don't understand the strategy at all if that is the deal. He has 1 year left on his deal. Spurs have to trade him to LA, he is not a FA. He can not dictate where he is going to be traded to. And ownership is a lot smarter than Gilbert in Cleveland. KL is not being traded to a rival.. Magic will try to make a big splash this summer, and get the Lakers right back into contention.
KL is not getting traded there..

And he devalued himself this year to next to nothing IMO. Super Max contract? Who is paying that to a quitter that is soft?

[tbdog]

Derrick Rose tore the other knee (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-derrick-roses-many-injuries-and-the-impact-on-the-bulls-20141121-htmlstory.html). Thomas is 5 foot 2. No comparison

Thomas was an mvp candidate. Rose tore the other knee because he was overcompensating his bad one. The comparison is accurate.

[tholdren]

Still a fan until he leaves tbh. He could possibly be hurt. Nobody knows his body better than himself. Just have to wait and see what happens.

So you appreciate the supposed leader of the team being unable to speak transparently about his intentions?

[Keepin' it real]

Agree with your observations. Body language, tone of voice and choice of words told me: RESIGNATION. He's basically resigned to the current status quo. At least Rudy is back and that will help some.

Yeah, until his heel snaps. :depressed

[UZER]

Kawhi has become that girlfriend who starts making excuses about being busy every Friday and Saturday night. Sooner or later you stop calling and go another direction....And that's what she wants....

To add to that, the girl is a 10 and the Spurs are the ugly dude.

[BillMc]

To add to that, the girl is 10 and the Spurs are the ugly dude.

Um... the girl is "a 10" or "10"? that changes what we're talking about a lot here.

[UZER]

Um... the girl is "a 10" or "10"? that changes what we're talking about a lot here.

Damn phone. Fixed it, thanks.

[BillMc]

Damn phone. Fixed it, thanks.
:toast

[Brunodf]

To add to that, the girl is a 9( who probably won't age well) full of issues and the Spurs had done better in the past.
Fixed

[BillMc]

Talking heads begin to take this....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwswnPPxFak

CC said LMA was not a top FA. As I recall he was the biggest name of that year. Spin, spin, spin....

If we accept their assumption that it is about shoe deal money and that money can only be found in a major market, then heaven help the small market teams keep their best players. I don't buy it, but that is their essential argument. If it were a new shoe deal he was after, missing the playoffs won't help you get a bigger deal.


And nice job misspelling "Gregg"

[hater]

Still a fan until he leaves tbh. He could possibly be hurt. Nobody knows his body better than himself. Just have to wait and see what happens.

Why cant he comment on his injury then? A small update coming from his mouth would work wonders

[bklynspursfan]

Talking heads begin to take this....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwswnPPxFak

CC said LMA was not a top FA. As I recall he was the biggest name of that year. Spin, spin, spin....

If we accept their assumption that it is about shoe deal money and that money can only be found in a major market, then heaven help the small market teams keep their best players. I don't buy it, but that is their essential argument. If it were a new shoe deal he was after, missing the playoffs won't help you get a bigger deal.


And nice job misspelling "Gregg"

That was just silly :lol He was the biggest of that summer.

[spursistan]

As some of us accepted a while ago, this was inevitable. Even in the highly unlikely event all of the rumors are untrue and he ends up extending at some point, I've lost a lost of respect for him with the way he's handled this. Not only not addressing it himself at some point, but barely even being present at games or practices.

If they haven't already, the league should be conducting an independent investigation in an attempt to get to the bottom of this. They should have a vested interest in finding out what's going on with one of their premier players and whether he does in fact want out from what's regarded as their premier organization.

The optics, particularly to casual fan (most of whom probably don't know the grisly details of last off season or the outlook going forward and just remember another 60 win season, trip to the WCF and 25 point lead, on the road, in game 1 vs prohibitive favorites), would be awful, if of all organizations, this one can't retain their own superstar.


As of now, the only thing that would bring out my empathy would be if he is truly suffering from some form of internal anxiety that the naggingness of this type of injury would cause to someone. Otherwise, his reputation has taken a major hit and it would be the most disgraceful quitting a star player has done on a team in recent memory. Even career me-first like Bryant and supposed divas like Aldridge stuck it out longer and handled their discontent in far more professional manner.

You would think this guy getting paid millions of dollars should have a couple of PR handlers by his side who would write a statement for his stuttering ass or ask for media availability to set the record straight?

if he can't bring himself to realize how much this saga has gotten out of hand, then he got some serious issues of judgment. The way Pop went out publicly yesterday, essentially calling for him to sack-up and play, was a major shift in how they are handling his situation. I think he addressed his teammates before talking to the media to the effect that they are moved on from him and expect no cavalry for the rest of the season-- nearly two months before the start of the playoffs-- that's how fedup they are with his act.

[21209]

Season was more than likely lost anyhow.

I think he's got his eye on next season as his main target since he'll be playing for another big contract.

If there are further complications with this condition next season, it may very well be career threatening. If not, and he returns to form, I believe things will smooth over between Kawhi and the FO since most problems between players and management are usuall kept "in house".

[MaNu4Tres]

As some of us accepted a while ago, this was inevitable. Even in the highly unlikely event all of the rumors are untrue and he ends up extending at some point, I've lost a lost of respect for him with the way he's handled this. Not only not addressing it himself at some point, but barely even being present at games or practices.

If they haven't already, the league should be conducting an independent investigation in an attempt to get to the bottom of this. They should have a vested interest in finding out what's going on with one of their premier players and whether he does in fact want out from what's regarded as their premier organization.

The optics, particularly to casual fan (most of whom probably don't know the grisly details of last off season or the outlook going forward and just remember another 60 win season, trip to the WCF and 25 point lead, on the road, in game 1 vs prohibitive favorites), would be awful, if of all organizations, this one can't retain their own superstar.

Very strong post.

Agree 100%.

This Leonard saga has to do with more than just the injury. Like I've said before, his Uncle does want him in LA and hasn't helped the relationship between Kawhi and the Spurs at all.

I'm still holding out some hope things can change, but as of now the writing is on the wall. It's only a matter of time.

[djohn2oo8]

Season was more than likely lost anyhow.

I think he's got his eye on next season as his main target since he'll be playing for another big contract.

If there are further complications with this condition next season, it may very well be career threatening. If not, and he returns to form, I believe things will smooth over between Kawhi and the FO since most problems between players and management are usuall kept "in house".
Pretty much this. If he is actually still experiencing pain, it's not a good sign that it cannot be found on any scans. Degenerative issue will always be about how to manage pain.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

More time to talk about social justice and planets /Pop

[Keepin' it real]

Does Kawhi mama still live in SAT, or has she bolted to Cali?

[DJR210]

Talking heads begin to take this....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwswnPPxFak

CC said LMA was not a top FA. As I recall he was the biggest name of that year. Spin, spin, spin....

If we accept their assumption that it is about shoe deal money and that money can only be found in a major market, then heaven help the small market teams keep their best players. I don't buy it, but that is their essential argument. If it were a new shoe deal he was after, missing the playoffs won't help you get a bigger deal.


And nice job misspelling "Gregg"

:lol @ Cris Carter saying LMA was "not one of the top free agents" smh

[Keepin' it real]

:lol @ Cris Carter saying LMA was "not one of the top free agents" smh

He's one of the idiots who gave us the horrible "catch" rule in the NFL. If he doesn't even know his own game, no way he should be commenting on NBA. He's out of his element.

[bklynspursfan]

966750162440871936

[spurs10]

Manu and Pop telling it like it is. From this moment on it will be all about enjoying Manu while I can. This coming summer will tell the tale on Kawhi. He takes the supermax or not.

[LkrFan]

ESPNLA:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh96J5SJLKI
:rollin :lmao :rollin

[TD 21]

As an aside, if Pop and Buford can rectify this situation in the off season and secure the franchise's future by retaining Leonard long term, think that will expedite Pop's retirement from coaching (he'll probably stay on in some capacity) because he'll know they'll be left in a relatively good place. For a coach who's been fortunate to live a utopian existence and never had to deal with the real NBA, the past year had to have been a shock to the system (in addition to Duncan's retirement). He's too old for this shit.

[MaNu4Tres]

As an aside, if Pop and Buford can rectify this situation in the off season and secure the franchise's future by retaining Leonard long term, think that will expedite Pop's retirement from coaching (he'll probably stay on in some capacity) because he'll know they'll be left in a relatively good place. For a coach who's been fortunate to live a utopian existence and never had to deal with the real NBA, the past year had to have been a shock to the system (in addition to Duncan's retirement). He's too old for this shit.

Agreed.

And I know a lot of people can't read on this forum, and take the " His Uncle wants him to go to LA thread" as, "Kawhi is leaving and going to LA and there's no chance at him re-signing with the Spurs". I still think there's a small chance things get rectified and I hope they do, however I'm not too optimistic.

TD: Do you think the future coach is currently a coach right now on the Spurs bench? If so, who? If not, who?

My rankings of probability for the future Spurs coach vacancy:

1. Udoka
2. Borrego
3. Becky

With Messina being the head assistant.

I'll be surprised if they were to go outside the organization tbh..

[spursistan]

if he can't bring himself to realize how much this saga has gotten out of hand, then he got some serious issues of judgment. The way Pop went out publicly yesterday, essentially calling for him to sack-up and play, was a major shift in how they are handling his situation. I think he addressed his teammates before talking to the media to the effect that they are moved on from him and expect no cavalry for the rest of the season-- nearly two months before the start of the playoffs-- that's how fedup they are with his act.

Not a revelation or anything, but Woj essentially echoed my thoughts on this..


The comments by Gregg Popovich to the media that Kawhi Leonard could miss the remainder of the season despite being medically cleared to play signalled a shift in how the Spurs are handling the situation.

"When Pop came out sort of that first media availability on Wednesday after All-Star break, and it was described to me as people who know Pop very well, that they felt he was speaking to an audience of one in that availability. That he was talking directly to Kawhi," said Adrian Wojnarowski on The Woj Pod.

"It has created an incredible amount of stress around the organization, front office, coaching staff, teammates. I think Pop was talking to the players the other day (as well)."
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249074/Kawhi-Leonard-Spurs-Have-Tremendous-Disconnect-Right-Now

[DPG21920]

Im waiting for “in a shocking turn of events Kawhi has informed Pop that he is indeed ready to play and will debut in one week. This is a dramatic turnout on the heels of Pop’s comments that he would be surprised if Kawhi returned this season”

[bklynspursfan]

Im waiting for “in a shocking turn of events Kawhi has informed Pop that he is indeed ready to play and will debut in one week. This is a dramatic turnout on the heels of Pop’s comments that he would be surprised if Kawhi returned this season”

You know it's gonna happen :lol

Kawhi wants to play. And I doubt he wants to test Pop and wait too much longer

[tholdren]

He could clear this up and answer these questions. He hasn't done that," said Wojnarowski. "That's part of some of the issues here. He's not communicative. That's been something since the very beginning. Maybe he's gotten a little better in that area, but he's a person who is just private, shy. Even with his teammates, doesn't say much. With his coach. I think that's contributed to this because I don't know if he expresses always what he might be at odds with or what the issue is, but there's no question there is a tremendous disconnect between (Kawhi) and the team right now."

ADRIAN WOJNAROWSKI/ESPN

Been saying this from day 1.