Woj: Kawhi Cleared to Play; Chooses to Sit Out; In NYC Getting 2nd Opinion on Injury

[BatManu20]

Like many predicted, Kawhi is deciding to sit out on his own terms.


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[BatManu20]

After spending 10 days before the All-Star break in New York consulting with a specialist to gather a second opinion on his right quad injury, All-NBA forward Kawhi Leonard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard) bears the burden of determining when he's prepared to play again, sources told ESPN.

Leonard has been medically cleared to return from the right quad tendinopathy injury, but since shutting down a nine-game return to the Spurs that ended Jan. 13, he has elected against returning to the active roster, sources said.

Away from the Spurs to pursue second opinions in New York, Leonard recently utilized the gymnasium inside the National Basketball Players Association headquarters in Manhattan for workouts, league sources told ESPN. The Spurs had team personnel accompanying Leonard in New York, sources said.

Spurs coach Gregg Popovich told reporters Wednesday that he'd be "surprised" if Leonard returns this season. Spurs officials are clearly starting to prepare his teammates for the possibility that they'll have to enter the playoffs without Leonard.

The hope of Leonard's return had buoyed the Spurs to believe they can still make a run in the Western Conference postseason. San Antonio is 35-24 and holding the third seed in the Western playoff chase.

The injury, rehabilitation and timetable for a return has complicated the Spurs and Leonard's relationship, causing tension and fraying the fabric of what was once a strong partnership, league sources told ESPN. The uncertainty surrounding this season -- and Leonard's future which could include free agency in the summer of 2019 -- has inspired a palpable stress around the organization, league sources said.

"We only have X number of games left in the season, and he's still not ready to go," Popovich told reporters in San Antonio on Wednesday. "If by some chance he is, it's gonna be pretty late into the season and it's going to be a pretty tough decision; how late to bring somebody back. So that's why I'm just trying to be honest and logical. I'll be surprised if he gets back this year."

Leonard, 26, has developed into one of the NBA's most dominant players and had been expected to be an MVP frontrunner this season. He's a two-time first-team All-NBA and defensive player of the year, and won the NBA Finals MVP in the 2014 championship series against Miami.

[SpurPadre]

If this is true, I wonder how much this alienates him from his teammates, especially Manu and TP, who've put up with alot of shit over the years to be on the floor as much as possible.

[coachmac87]

Shit is gonna get really weird if that “second opinion” can’t find anything different than the Spurs

[spursfan09]

Who knew this quiet dude would cause so much drama!!!

[spursistan]

Said in the other thread: he is been left to his own devices after the second shutdown..It is just a matter of him tolerating pain both physically and mentally.

[spurraider21]

Shit is gonna get really weird if that “second opinion” can’t find anything different than the Spurs
we're going from #ReleaseTheMemo to #ReleaseTheSecondOpinion

[SpurPadre]

Even Tiago thinks Kawhi is a pussy, tbh.

[gospursgojas]

If this is true, I wonder how much this alienates him from his teammates, especially Manu and TP, who've put up with alot of shit over the years to be on the floor as much as possible.

Watch their interview today. They seem pissed and over this bitch’s drama.

[Seventyniner]

From smashing GS in their house in game 1 to this.

Damn. Just.....damn.

[spurraider21]

Even Tiago thinks Kawhi is a pussy, tbh.
https://i.imgur.com/CqkPpc2.gif

[NASpurs]

Guess we know who the dark cloud over the franchise is.

[BatManu20]

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[LkrFan]

:wow

[SpurPadre]

Shit, even Stevie Jax thinks Kawhi is a locker room cancer...

[RD2191]

:wow

Hopefully you can enjoy Kawhi before Trump builds the wall tbh

[gospursgojas]

Pop’s interview, Rudy and Tony’s interviews, and now this news from Woj. Not a coincidence-Spurs putting this all on Kawhi and forcing his hand on not being a bitch anymore.

[BatManu20]

No wonder PATFO is so frustrated. Pop's comments stem from frustration more than actually knowing when Kawhi will return. Unless he's THAT certain that it's something more serious, I hope Kiwi grows a pair, strengthens that bad boy up, and decides to make a run at this thing in April...

[spursistan]

Looks like this injury has mindfucked him, tbh. Which is even worse..

[apalisoc_9]

So Mospurs and Manutres have been saying this for two weeks now.

[gospursgojas]

IF Kawhi has any balls he’d suit up on Friday and start building his value back up.

[SpurPadre]

This is a time when TD's absence is truly felt. His leadership is greatly missed, tbh.

[emanueldavidginobili]

There’s someone in Kawh’s ear.

[Slippy]

If this is true, I wonder how much this alienates him from his teammates, especially Manu and TP, who've put up with alot of shit over the years to be on the floor as much as possible.
To think Manu played with a brokem arm & Kawhi busy getting second opinions after being cleared to play.

Kawai gotta respond . Whether its through the media, his uncle or simply showing up to his team to play. The ball is in his court now hence the trip to NY.

[Clipper Nation]

:wow
I'm already getting chills at the thought of LeGOAT and Kawhi opening up that new Inglewood arena with the ring/banner ceremony. :downspin:

[apalisoc_9]

Didnt even know LA is opening a new arena. That would be one hell of a story for LA if he plays his first game as a clipper next year.

[weeks]

He's gone.

[Clipper Nation]

Didnt even know LA is opening a new arena. That would be one hell of a story for LA if he plays his first game as a clipper next year.
It's only been announced, it won't actually be finished until, like, 2020 or something.

[Leetonidas]

Dude is a huge pussy

[TE]

We don't know the entire story. Fans probably deserve more information...but we've FINALLY gotten some credible word on this injury drama.

But the way it's shaping up. There are odds between PATFO and Kawhi. Seeking a second opinion on an injury? If this is any sort of malignant tendinopathy it would show up on the highest specificities/sensitivities of labs/tests known to modern orthopedic medicine. If nothing shows up, there is truly nothing. Which makes this closer and closer toward a psychiatric problem tbh. That premise has been thrown around a lot on this forum...and it's becoming more realistic. Shitty thing is that's arguably harder to treat than say an actual ortho injury like tendinopathy

[exstatic]

There’s someone in Kawh’s ear.

If so, they’re an idiot. He’s now to the point of damaging his value in FA for 2019. He’s also making the Supermax an impossibility.

[spursistan]

We don't know the entire story. Fans probably deserve more information...but we've FINALLY gotten some credible word on this injury drama.

But the way it's shaping up. There are odds between PATFO and Kawhi. Seeking a second opinion on an injury? If this is any sort of malignant tendinopathy it would show up on the highest specificities/sensitivities of labs/tests known to modern orthopedic medicine. If nothing shows up, there is truly nothing. Which makes this closer and closer toward a psychiatric problem tbh. That premise has been thrown around a lot on this forum...and it's becoming more realistic. Shitty thing is that's arguably harder to treat than say an actual ortho injury like tendinopathy

:tu

[LkrFan]

I'm already getting chills at the thought of LeGOAT and Kawhi opening up that new Inglewood arena with the ring/banner ceremony. :downspin:

:lmao

[SupremeGuy]

Holy fucking shit. :bang

[BatManu20]

Didnt even know LA is opening a new arena. That would be one hell of a story for LA if he plays his first game as a clipper next year.

Arena won't even be ready for like 5 more years. Not happening.

[TE]

Was gonna put this in my post, forgot the term (disliked psychiatry): somatization disorder

[LkrFan]

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Laker Fans shooting their shot. We got the cap space to make his apparent dream to come home come true. :toast

[LkrFan]

Reading the tea leaves:

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:downspin:

[lefty20]

This sucks for the organization and us fans. But I'm not gonna crucify the guy for wanting to be super cautious about his future. Just hope that there was more dialogue from him about what's really going on, tbh.

[Dex]

Well, this season just went to hell in a hand-basket.

There are many reasons Kawhi could be choosing to sit out. None of them seem very good for the future, though.

I've never heard of a player being cleared but just refusing to play.

[NASpurs]

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Laker Fans shooting their shot. We got the cap space to make his apparent dream to come home come true. :toast

If what Kawhi has is actually degenerative, I hope he does go back to LA and you guys enjoy that lemon. I would laugh my ass off.

[LkrFan]

Kyle Kuzma, Josh Hart, a future 1st for Kiwi. Take it or leave it.

[Leetonidas]

This doesn't even make sense though. We've heard for quite a while that Leonard has sought opinions from medical experts outside of the Spurs FO. So now he is getting another “second opinion?” If multiple medical professionals don't see anything wrong with you you're probably just a wuss

[LkrFan]

If what Kawhi has is actually degenerative, I hope he does go back to LA and you guys enjoy that lemon. I would laugh my ass off.

:lol

[spurraider21]

tbh doesn't this report just confirm that his beef has to do with the injury handling and not some other ulterior motive?

and if the second opinion reflects that of the spurs staff, then maybe that eases his mind...

[TE]

This doesn't even make sense though. We've heard for quite a while that Leonard has sought opinions from medical experts outside of the Spurs FO. So now he is getting another “second opinion?” If multiple medical professionals don't see anything wrong with you you're probably just a wuss
Likely true imo.

He needs a psychiatrist. Or better for our sake, claim he's okay just enough to trade his psychologically damaged goods for some pieces and picks.

[exstatic]

This doesn't even make sense though. We've heard for quite a while that Leonard has sought opinions from medical experts outside of the Spurs FO. So now he is getting another “second opinion?” If multiple medical professionals don't see anything wrong with you you're probably just a wuss

He’s getting a second opinion of his second opinion.

[Leetonidas]

So Mospurs and Manutres have been saying this for two weeks now.

I don't remember exactly what Mo’s thread said specifically but Manutres has been claiming this is all a show being dictated by Kawhi’s uncle because he wants him in LA. Not even remotely similar imo

[Dex]

tbh doesn't this report just confirm that his beef has to do with the injury handling and not some other ulterior motive?

and if the second opinion reflects that of the spurs staff, then maybe that eases his mind...

My thoughts exactly. He obviously feels the Spurs staff mismanaged things somehow...otherwise, why would he be seeking another opinion?

Kawhi being a Spur probably hinges on what that second opinion is...unless this is just nothing more than more smokescreens.

What a fucked up situation.

[MoSpur02]

:tu

This. I said it before this is more mental than anything else. My honest opinion is he suffers from some sort of anxiety. I think it is all in his head. He probably has some sort of fear keeping him from playing. I think he really wants to play deep down, but anxiety is keeping him from doing so. Anxiety is no joke. It can really mess up someone's life. If I'm right then I actually feel bad for the guy because no matter how much he wants to play, that anxiety in his head is keeping him from doing so.

[BatManu20]

Kyle Kuzma, Josh Hart, a future 1st for Kiwi. Take it or leave it.

Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Two 1st's, prime Shaq, Kareem's retired jersey banner, the Hollywood Sign, Betty White's Star on the Walk of Fame, and the 5 Championship trophies that were won in Minneapolis, and you have yourself a deal.

[YGWHI]

Well, one thing is sure, Kawhi's value isn't increasing these days...


So Mospurs and Manutres have been saying this for two weeks now.

:lol


I don't remember exactly what Mo’s thread said specifically but Manutres has been claiming this is all a show being dictated by Kawhi’s uncle because he wants him in LA. Not even remotely similar imo

One of them made a thread saying it was Pop who doesn't want to play Kawhi "until he gets traded or he's committed to the Spurs again." After this Woj article it seems like his "source" was wrong.

And what's about you Apa?

You made a thread saying Kawhi has his own trainers but he was working in Manhattan with Spurs trainners before the ASG weekend. Was your "source" wrong, too?

[benefactor]

:lol...what a mess.

Well it was a nice run. Time to head into the dark years.

[weeks]

our season could well hinge on gay now

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't remember exactly what Mo’s thread said specifically but Manutres has been claiming this is all a show being dictated by Kawhi’s uncle because he wants him in LA. Not even remotely similar imo

If you keep reading the thread, I also mention how Uncle Robertson is calling all the shots, and that Kawhi has been medically cleared for over a month now.

[Hoops Czar]

Who needs him? Spurs are third in the West.

[BatManu20]

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[Mugen]

We should sign Tiago tbh.

[turkish spurs fan]

pop should take care of kawhi instead of talkin bout politics

[spursfan09]

Just make sure you stay on his good side or else if the lakers make him upset about anything. He’ll sit out with another iinjury.

[YGWHI]

tbh doesn't this report just confirm that his beef has to do with the injury handling and not some other ulterior motive?
Yes.

But people here love the crazy "go to LA" story.

[LkrFan]

Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Two 1st's, prime Shaq, Kareem's retired jersey banner, the Hollywood Sign, Betty White's Star on the Walk of Fame, and the 5 Championship trophies that were won in Minneapolis, and you have yourself a deal.

:lol

[BatManu20]

Who needs him? Spurs are 5 games away from being out of the playoffs.


FIFY.

[lil'mo]

I blame LaMarcus and HEB, and by extension PATFO for allowing those things to happen

[spurs10]

Well, this season just went to hell in a hand-basket.

There are many reasons Kawhi could be choosing to sit out. None of them seem very good for the future, though.

I've never heard of a player being cleared but just refusing to play.
Really how does a guy under contract and cleared to play just sit? Who is paying him?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

:lmao to all the Spurs fans who thought he was coming back this season. He is as good as gone.

Spurs will never ever be title contenders with LMA as the first option, unless they can get someone better than him they need to tank hard and go back to square one.

[Leetonidas]

If you keep reading the thread, I also mention how Uncle Robertson is calling all the shots, and that Kawhi has been medically cleared for over a month now.

Kawhi being cleared medically was hardly some hot take bro. That has been going around for awhile

[Hoops Czar]

FIFY.


B-b-but Aldridge is winning ball. :depressed

[Dancelot]

Well, this season just went to hell in a hand-basket.

There are many reasons Kawhi could be choosing to sit out. None of them seem very good for the future, though.

I've never heard of a player being cleared but just refusing to play.
Derrick Rose maybe did that?

[YGWHI]

If you keep reading the thread, I also mention how Uncle Robertson is calling all the shots, and that Kawhi has been medically cleared for over a month now.

You also said it was Pop not playing Kawhi.



From what I got from the conversation, Spurs have been irritated and would rather him sit out until he either gets traded or til he's mentally committed to the Spurs again.

[hater]

our season could well hinge on gay now

:lmao what

[phxspurfan]

Funny how many of us have been calling this as it has appeared the whole time, and have been getting shit about it. Now all the dirty laundry is out there. I still contend we should have traded him before all the bad press and before his last year (pre player option where he will certainly opt out).

1. I can't see Spurs giving him the SuperMax if he doesn't even try, let alone show he can perform to the levels of the last 2 years with what's left before the off-season
2. Given that he will likely sit out the year or come back super late and not make much of an impact on this year's Spurs (first or 2nd round exit), and will likely be limited even if he comes back this year, there's no way we would even get close to full value for him in the offseason/next year.

The best window for us to trade him was before the trade deadline this year. Now we will get pennies on the dollar since even if he comes back next year, he will be a rental for our trade partner at best. Which means max, a top20-30 player (Lillard, etc.) and possibly a pick if our FO plays that right.

[duncan2k5]

U guys are fucking stupid... Kawhi has always been a warrior for us and has always shown up in the post season... ALL of our stars have been out with injuries in their prime... The guy is injured, and ppl pressuring him to play just like u guys are is what keeps reaggrivating his injury... Spurs aren't perfect... Kawhi isn't a drama queen and has never been... Show the man some respect... I don't care how long Kawhi takes to come back, as long as he remains a spur... The guy is the best player in the NBA... U really think he will sit out his MVP year? Gtfoh

[hater]

:lmao to all the Spurs fans who thought he was coming back this season. He is as good as gone.

Spurs will never ever be title contenders with LMA as the first option, unless they can get someone better than him they need to tank hard and go back to square one.

You really went out on a limb buddy

[MaNu4Tres]

You also said it was Pop not playing Kawhi.

I said/meant Spurs have been irritated with Kawhi/Kawhi's camp/Kawhis Uncle and
they are fine letting him go and do what he needs to do because at this juncture they'd prefer him sit out until he's traded or mentally committed to the Spurs again anyway. That does not mean Pop chose to not play Kawhi like you are saying -- . Because Spurs don't have control over what he's doing right now, Uncle Robertson has the keys like I've been saying in the other thread.

I copy and pasted everything I mentioned before the Woj info below.


There's more to it than how the Spurs handled the quad ( I honestly think its crutch to fall back on or an excuse as an out for Kawhis' camp).

Kawhi and his family are from Riverside (which is 35-40 miles from LA). He grew up a huge Lakers and Kobe fan.

I was just told that Kawhi's Uncle has been in Kawhis' ear all year about going to LA and Spurs are pretty pissed about it, because it seems like Kawhi has bought in to what his Uncle has been advertising. From what I got from the conversation, Spurs have been irritated and would rather him sit out until he either gets traded or til he's mentally committed to the Spurs again. At same time, Kawhi is working out on his own and trying to get all the way mentally and physically back.

Other than that, all of the Spurs' doctors have cleared him and said he's fine. He's more healthy now than he was when he first came back.

I'll give a few more important puzzle pieces.

Uncle Robertson is calling all the shots regarding Kawhi, not the Spurs. Spurs are not the decision makers with Kawhi right now and haven't been for months. Spurs are irritated w/ the way Robertson has been influential with Kawhi ( he's no longer mentally committed to the team), and irritated with how its puts them in a bad spot whenever or if they decide to trade him this summer.

Spurs have no control over Kawhi right now, and are letting that go. However they are still the team that is paying him, but in all honesty they'd rather him sit out if he's not committed to the team.

Kawhi is only committed to Kawhi right now -- I think if anyone can think objectively for a second they can see that.




Perhaps Spurs are mutual with the decision for him to sit out if he's not mentally committed to the team. It's always team first with Pop.

Imo -- Kawhi is just being cautious with his quad ( he's been medically cleared) and at the same time he's not mentally committed to the Spurs. He's in his own world with his Uncle being the gatekeeper that wants him elsewhere.

[tholdren]

And still no word from kl? Lol

[phxspurfan]

U guys are fucking stupid... Kawhi has always been a warrior for us and has always shown up in the post season... ALL of our stars have been out with injuries in their prime... The guy is injured, and ppl pressuring him to play just like u guys are is what keeps reaggrivating his injury... Spurs aren't perfect... Kawhi isn't a drama queen and has never been... Show the man some respect... I don't care how long Kawhi takes to come back, as long as he remains a spur... The guy is the best player in the NBA... U really think he will sit out his MVP year? Gtfoh

Yes he has been a warrior for us, that's true. But unfortunately a lot has appeared to have happened behind closed doors since his peak warrior moment, carrying us past Houston in the playoffs and almost to a win over the SuperWarriors last year. You can't ignore the fact that this year has hugely damaged the player-FO relationship with our best player, to the point where the smoke can't be denied. There is a fire to that smoke. And he wants out. Trust is gone on both sides now.

[Mr. Body]

What sucks, of course, is that we won't be able to get much for him. Will have to sell for pennies. Maybe a basket of picks and stuff and hope those pan out?

[objective]

Aldridge & Kawhi to Phoenix for their pick if it's #1 or #2, future picks, the Miami picks, the bucks pick, Bender, and flotsam

Just blow it up and be trash with Patty and Pau

[phxspurfan]

What sucks, of course, is that we won't be able to get much for him. Will have to sell for pennies. Maybe a basket of picks and stuff and hope those pan out?

Booker is a best case (one good young player with promise). Lillard is base case/likely, plus maybe a 2nd (vet, proven scorer). Eric Gordon/Lou Will-type (3rd tier) and a pick is worst case.

edit: also a basket of random prospects like OKC got for Ibaka is also an option (3-5 players with various prospects, e.g. Aaron Gordon/JSimms/etc)

[baseline bum]

Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Two 1st's, prime Shaq, Kareem's retired jersey banner, the Hollywood Sign, Betty White's panties, and the 5 Championship trophies that were won in Minneapolis, and you have yourself a deal.

fify

[Old School 44]

If you keep reading the thread, I also mention how Uncle Robertson is calling all the shots, and that Kawhi has been medically cleared for over a month now.

Which one?

http://www.trend-chaser.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/06/duck15.jpg

[Dex]

Aldridge & Kawhi to Phoenix for their pick if it's #1 or #2, future picks, the Miami picks, the bucks pick, Bender, and flotsam

Just blow it up and be trash with Patty and Pau

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[siraulo23]

Woj confirmed wow

[TE]

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A few things I'd comment on that.. if it's indeed tendinitis, it would reveal in scans. So if Kawhi's issue with PATFO is misdiagnosis, he's barking at the wrong tree.

If he's pissed due to mismanagement of his injury, it's important to know what's been tried to heal it. if this was disclosed sometime in the summer, what was initially done to treat it? i'd imagine they went conservative (manual treatment; nsaids, steroids) then got some updated scans, found next to nothing and cleared him. kawhi probably voiced his concern and PATFO shut him down for the preseason. he's probably been reassessed multiple times, treated the same way and/or may have had an added nonconventional adjunct treatment. what progress has been made we will probably never know. if the aforementioned occurred, there's imo two paths to go from here: address his mental health if he's to stay with the Spurs or trade his ass while we can

[cjw]

:lmao to all the Spurs fans who thought he was coming back this season. He is as good as gone.

Spurs will never ever be title contenders with LMA as the first option, unless they can get someone better than him they need to tank hard and go back to square one.

By definition, they’d be able to turn Kawhi into useful pieces in a trade or his cap space into something useful. Too bad Mills is signed to that dumb deal

[phxspurfan]

Aldridge & Kawhi to Phoenix for their pick if it's #1 or #2, future picks, the Miami picks, the bucks pick, Bender, and flotsam

Just blow it up and be trash with Patty and Pau

1 or 2 this year is not that bad, straight up. That's Trae Young or the kid from Duke

[TheGreatYacht]

We should sign Tiago tbh.
Agreed. There's no better man to wipe an ass than the golden shower god

[YGWHI]

This doesn't even make sense though. We've heard for quite a while that Leonard has sought opinions from medical experts outside of the Spurs FO. So now he is getting another “second opinion?” If multiple medical professionals don't see anything wrong with you you're probably just a wuss

We dont know if all medical opinions were coincident...

After half season, multiple opinions and Spurs staff traveled to NYC with Kawhi...There must have been a reason to keep looking for other doctors. Otherwise, they wouldn't have traveled with him.

[Robz4000]

1 or 2 this year is not that bad, straight up. That's Trae Young or the kid from Duke

:lmao Trae Young

[MaNu4Tres]

:lmao Trae Young

He's over hyped. Don't like him.

[Robz4000]

He's over hyped. Don't like him.

Agreed.

[phxspurfan]

He's over hyped. Don't like him.

Then pick Bagley.

[phxspurfan]

He's over hyped. Don't like him.

Hyped for sure. But when guys like Kobe and Oscar Robertson are working with the kid you know he's got some talent

[bklynspursfan]

From Jabari


Sources tell the San Antonio Express-News Leonard was rehabbing in New Jersey over the All-Star break. If his leg were to improve, Leonard still hopes to attempt a comeback next month; hence Popovich kept the door slightly open for a return while appearing skeptical.

https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/amp/Popovich-not-ready-to-list-Leonard-out-for-the-12631751.php?__twitter_impression=true

[MoSpur02]

My money is on anxiety.

[MoSpur02]

There is still a small amount of hope. However, there are only 23 games left.

[Brazil]

tbh doesn't this report just confirm that his beef has to do with the injury handling and not some other ulterior motive?

and if the second opinion reflects that of the spurs staff, then maybe that eases his mind...

exactly what I said weeks ago tbh..

[hater]

My money is on anxiety.

I agree. Extreme social enxiety

[gospursgojas]

My money is on anxiety.


I agree. Extreme social enxiety

Autism

[Leetonidas]

From Jabari



https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/amp/Popovich-not-ready-to-list-Leonard-out-for-the-12631751.php?__twitter_impression=true

So clearly the posters claiming Kawhi is using this as an excuse to not play because he not committed to SA or that he is healthier than he was before and ready to go were wrong...you dont say tbh

[MaNu4Tres]

Hyped for sure. But when guys like Kobe and Oscar Robertson are working with the kid you know he's got some talent

Talent is there but he's still over-hyped. I wouldn't pick him with a top 5 pick. I'd go big or Doncic.

[bklynspursfan]

So clearly the posters claiming Kawhi is using this as an excuse to not play because he not committed to SA or that he is healthier than he was before and ready to go were wrong...you dont say tbh

Right. It sounds like he wants to come back. Maybe he's being too cautious, but it's a positive that his plan is to attempt another comeback.

[YGWHI]

I said/meant Spurs have been irritated with Kawhi/Kawhi's camp/Kawhis Uncle and they are fine letting him go and do what he needs to do because at this juncture they'd prefer him sit out until he's traded or mentally committed to the Spurs again anyway. That does not mean Pop chose to not play Kawhi like you are saying...

How that doesn't mean Pop chose to not play him when you say he would rather sit him until he gets traded or he's commited to the team."From what I got from the conversation, Spurs have been irritated and would rather him sit out until he either gets traded or til he's mentally committed to the Spurs again. "

According your source Pop sits him. He was irritated that Kawhi wasn't mentally commited to the Spurs....And sat him.

You can explain all you want but that's what you said.

[exstatic]

His uncle never played poker. Their hand is actually weak. They may want LA, but they want the Supermax as much, if not more. It’s a lot of money. That can also mean he’s not a rental, if they decide to trade. That money is a strong draw. The Spurs will certainly not trade him to the Lakers, like Indy refused to trade PG13 there. You don’t reward that kind of behavior. If he gets to the summer of 2019, only the team that holds his bird rights has the financial edge. A sign and trade at that point nets him nothing extra. Bird financial advantages no longer convey on those contracts as of the last CBA, just so there is a penalty for leaving, or forcing your way out. I’m not sure his uncle even knows that.

[phxspurfan]

Right. It sounds like he wants to come back. Maybe he's being too cautious, but it's a positive that his plan is to attempt another comeback.

Anyone who is not a pussy, likes to play ball and is competitive enough to be sick of watching his team go 1-3 on the RRT and is medically cleared to come back at least plays a few games and tries it out. Unless they are super anxious about not getting hurt before a big payday. Thing is, he's not really close to a big payday, considering he's got at least 2 years left on his contract. Assuming he auto-opts out of his player option year. It's becoming a joke, really, this waiting for him to sack up and play. Remember, he's playing for the most cautious team in the league. It's not like trying it out for a few games is going to Grant Hill him.

[Texas_Ranger]

Gordon Hayward will return before him. The guy is reall made out of glass.

[UZER]

Been saying it for a while, Pop is not an easy man to play for, coach or system. Some people just can't handle it.

Not excusing Kawhi, but Pop and his stubborn old ways, and this shtick that shtick, on and on. Some people just don't want to play for that.

LMA is the only major prime free agent to ever sign here, and look how he struggled.

PATFO always like to ask the first question, "Is he a Spurs?" Well guess what, Tim Duncan ain't walking through that door. Tony and Manu aren't walking through that door.

Stars don't want to play for Pop period.

[hater]

Autism

Lol you dont just develop autism in a summer

[Russ]

I agree. Extreme social enxiety

Kawhi is beginning to remind me a bit of Derek Anderson.

All the stories about miraculously overcoming a difficult background and prevailing unscathed and completely unaffected by any of it . . .

And then . . .

[Dre_7]

From Jabari



https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/amp/Popovich-not-ready-to-list-Leonard-out-for-the-12631751.php?__twitter_impression=true

This whole thing is just so fucking weird. I'm done trying to figure out what's going on and just going to let it play out. Soon enough we will all know what's up and whose sources (weather Rose's, Jabari's, or the handful of ST poster's) were telling them the truth.

[emanueldavidginobili]

I don’t buy the BS with Kawhi upset with SA training staff. If he didn’t feel up to it he shouldn’t have played. The most upsetting thing is we hear nothing from him at all.

[DPG21920]

exactly what I said weeks ago tbh..

This is what does not make sense. Is Kawhi dumb? How can he lose trust or have beef with SA when he knows their history of doing the best at keeping players safe/healthy. Does he really think they would not do everything they can to protect their best player?

They had TP with a worse injury and he’s back and playing.

[Spurs da champs]

Damn, it's just so hard to believe Kawhi would do what he did against Memphis, and GS game 1 to not wanting to play for the Spurs ever again. Something just doesnt add up.

[phxspurfan]

This is what does not make sense. Is Kawhi dumb? How can he lose trust or have beef with SA when he knows their history of doing the best at keeping players safe/healthy. Does he really think they would not do everything they can to protect their best player?

They had TP with a worse injury and he’s back and playing.

TP was a fucking warrior compared with Kawhi. Sure he had his share of random injuries but they were all legit (ankle sprains etc). He always (over) communicated to the Spurs, American and French press about his desire to come back and play, then his actions followed through each and every time. He also played international ball several years and won the EuroBasket the same year the Spurs went to the Finals. No comparison. One will hang in the rafters, the other is now a joke that needs to be traded.

[phxspurfan]

Also note how silent Duncan has been on all of this. No show of support at all. Dude's probably laughing at how shitty this guy has become, and is probably texting Pop to trade his ass ASAP

[DPG21920]

I don’t think anyone should act like they know what kawhi thinks. I do think that how SA has handled this has led to the environment we are in.

[marinoman]

So why were spurs hanging up on people asking for a trade for kawhi?

Wtf?

[Brazil]

This is what does not make sense. Is Kawhi dumb? How can he lose trust or have beef with SA when he knows their history of doing the best at keeping players safe/healthy. Does he really think they would not do everything they can to protect their best player?

They had TP with a worse injury and he’s back and playing.

Back in the days tp had an agent and his mom for his diet and the spurs.. kawhi has a whole team around him.. look at the Brady / Pats situation, same kind of BS..

[objective]

Forget Trae Young, give me the T-Rex/Kevin Willis version of David Robinson, DeAndre Ayton

[MaNu4Tres]

How that doesn't mean Pop chose to not play him when you say he would rather sit him until he gets traded or he's commited to the team."From what I got from the conversation, Spurs have been irritated and would rather him sit out until he either gets traded or til he's mentally committed to the Spurs again. "

According your source Pop sits him. He was irritated that Kawhi wasn't mentally commited to the Spurs....And sat him.

You can explain all you want but that's what you said.

Pop choosing to sit Kawhi is actually not what I said or meant. You just need to read better. I quoted myself in multiple posts above that outline the situation clearly, before Woj said anything.

[Russ]

Forget Trae Young, give me the T-Rex/Kevin Willis version of David Robinson, DeAndre Ayton

Mo Bamba.

[DPG21920]

Back in the days tp had an agent and his mom for his diet and the spurs.. kawhi has a whole team around him.. look at the Brady / Pats situation, same kind of BS..

Having your own guys vs having legit discord with the Spurs staff is very different things IMO. Especially to the point where you have rumors coming out from guys like Woj.

[MaNu4Tres]

Mo Bamba.

Trae Young is over hyped.

Tank to 11th and pray Mamba or Knox falls.

[bklynspursfan]

This whole thing is just so fucking weird. I'm done trying to figure out what's going on and just going to let it play out. Soon enough we will all know what's up and whose sources (weather Rose's, Jabari's, or the handful of ST poster's) were telling them the truth.

Seriously. I want to believe Jabari being close to the team can be trusted and the reporting is legit, but maybe that's just me wanting this shit to be over and Kawhi to be back on the court already.

[Avitus1]

Dude seems broken mentally.

[Brazil]

Having your own guys vs having legit discord with the Spurs staff is very different things IMO. Especially to the point where you have rumors coming out from guys like Woj.

Issue is when your own guys want to show they deserve to be paid and start tell their boss.. “don’t listen to spurs medical staff, they don’t know what they are doing, let’s have our own protocol”.. some players can be heavily influenced by this kind of speech.. Brady does not trust at all pats medical staff, he only trust his diet guru.. probably same kind of shit happening with kawhi getting brainwashed by entourage including dat fucking uncle

[DPG21920]

Issue is when your own guys want to show they deserve to be paid and start tell their boss.. “don’t listen to spurs medical staff, they don’t know what they are doing, let’s have our own protocol”.. some players can be heavily influenced by this kind of speech.. Brady does not trust at all pats medical staff, he only trust his diet guru.. probably same kind of shit happening with kawhi getting brainwashed by entourage including dat fucking uncle

Sure but Brady is playing and nothing is leaking that he has a bad relationship.

[coachmac87]

TP was a fucking warrior compared with Kawhi. Sure he had his share of random injuries but they were all legit (ankle sprains etc). He always (over) communicated to the Spurs, American and French press about his desire to come back and play, then his actions followed through each and every time. He also played international ball several years and won the EuroBasket the same year the Spurs went to the Finals. No comparison. One will hang in the rafters, the other is now a joke that needs to be traded.


Tony had surgery...different deal. Tony couldn’t walk without surgery...

Kawhi can possibly elect surgery but you can go ahead and add 8-9 months if he does..he’d be damaged goods if he goes that route.

[LkrFan]

The Ringer chimes in:

966509682826338304

[Mr. Body]

Booker is a best case (one good young player with promise). Lillard is base case/likely, plus maybe a 2nd (vet, proven scorer). Eric Gordon/Lou Will-type (3rd tier) and a pick is worst case.

edit: also a basket of random prospects like OKC got for Ibaka is also an option (3-5 players with various prospects, e.g. Aaron Gordon/JSimms/etc)

I doubt Lillard would want to play next to Aldridge again. Booker, IMO, is complete empty stats. I'd rather just pull as many number one picks as possible and think about the future. We're not competing until after the Warriors fall apart, anyway.

[phxspurfan]

Back in the days tp had an agent and his mom for his diet and the spurs.. kawhi has a whole team around him.. look at the Brady / Pats situation, same kind of BS..

Dude Tom Brady is the GOAT and face of the franchise and league. He has single handedly willed that team to like 5 championships. He is their Tim Duncan/LeBron. He deserves to have a personal chef and his own trainers/staff. He also brought their team with a concussed Gronk to 1 play from winning it all this year, after willing them back from like 28 down last year to win it all. Kawhi would be blessed to sniff Brady's sack.

[bklynspursfan]

966512788632932357

[BatManu20]

Wish Kawhi would just come out and say something. Anything, really.

[KDKSpurs24]

I think I’m done with this. Ready to just roll with what we have. I’m not about to think about this Kawhi situation anymore until something actually happens. I think I’ll be able to enjoy the season even more with that mindset.

[Darius Bieber]

Beginning of the end of the Spurs' run tbh

[YGWHI]

The Ringer chimes in:

966509682826338304

Not a bad article at all. I like the part about focusing on DJ development...There are some lines about the possible misdiagnosis...But I hate the GSW-Houston part.

I would love if JeffMcDonald could write an article like this instead of tweeting his dumb thoughts.

[DMC]

"Kawhi is a leader" -upstairs

"Kawhi ain't no leader, Kawhi works on Kawhi" -DMC

This probably cements Pop's retirement at the end of the season.

[AaronY]

Kawhi quit.PERIOD

[phxspurfan]

"Kawhi is a leader" -upstairs

"Kawhi ain't no leader, Kawhi works on Kawhi" -DMC

This probably cements Pop's retirement at the end of the season.

Unless a miracle happens and we turn Kawhi into someone really good or a top 2 pick in the draft, I agree he probably retires. I hope TP, Manu and he all retire together, so I can come back next December and watch their jerseys (pop will have a jersey or banner) go up.

[DMC]

Unless a miracle happens and we turn Kawhi into someone really good or a top 2 pick in the draft, I agree he probably retires. I hope TP, Manu and he all retire together, so I can come back next December and watch their jerseys (pop will have a jersey or banner) go up.

I don't think Pop relies so much on the outlook of the team as much as just deciding 70 is the right age to focus only on USA basketball and let the NBA move on.

[cjw]

The more I think about this, the more frustrating it is if he can actually play. Would he play if it were the playoffs and doesn’t want to waste regular season minutes?

My Eagles had a guy stay in with a torn ACL to throw a pivotal TD pass to a guy with what was later revealed to be a torn rotator cuff (who caught a TD in Super Bowl, and in prior Super Bowl had a guy playing on a broken ankle). I’d have to think he has the heart to play through SOME pain in games that matter.

[DMC]

Kawhi quit.PERIOD

Pop sat Tim out when Tim could have probably played. He rests players for no reason other than to show his ass. Kawhi decided to sit himself out. He's had great coaching but he's been one hell of a learner, so he's likely been financially coached with "this is your future, look at Derrick Rose who kept pushing it and now he's basically out of the league".

If Kawhi suffered a major injury, the Spurs wouldn't go on hold waiting for him to recover. It's business. That works both ways. Kobe took 50m and spent most of that time on vacation in another country.

[HarlemHeat37]

The past year has shown how fortunate Pop has been to have spent virtually his entire career in a setting that doesn't resemble the typical NBA environment..outside of Duncan almost leaving to Orlando(which wasn't even comparable to this, since he was a FA), this franchise has faced minimal NBA drama during their great run..

In the past year, they've had to deal with the reality of the NBA and 2 of the most common personalities among superstar athletes..the cancer who asks for a trade and only cares about touches(Aldridge) and the bitch-ass, pussy-boy nigga(Kawhi)..

We'll see how they adjust to the real world from an NBA standpoint..it isn't so easy without Duncan, Ginobili and Parker putting the team first:lol

Personally, my preference is for Pop to retire and to move on from soft-ass Kawhi..Pop is way too out of touch at his current age, he's just living off reputation..start a re-tool(they won't fully rebuild right now) and get Becky in as coach to keep the team somewhat relevant..

[Leetonidas]

The past year has shown how fortunate Pop has been to have spent virtually his entire career in a setting that doesn't resemble the typical NBA environment..outside of Duncan almost leaving to Orlando(which wasn't even comparable to this, since he was a FA), this franchise has faced minimal NBA drama during their great run..

In the past year, they've had to deal with the reality of the NBA and 2 of the most common personalities among superstar athletes..the cancer who asks for a trade and only cares about touches(Aldridge) and the bitch-ass, pussy-boy nigga(Kawhi)..

We'll see how they adjust to the real world from an NBA standpoint..it isn't so easy without Duncan, Ginobili and Parker putting the team first:lol

Personally, my preference is for Pop to retire and to move on from soft-ass Kawhi..Pop is way too out of touch at his current age, he's just living off reputation..start a re-tool(they won't fully rebuild right now) and get Becky in as coach to keep the team somewhat relevant..

:wow

[noles1983]

If this faggot is healthy and sitting out, he shouldnt be getting paid.

[marinoman]

Last year in the playoffs he wanted to play but pop and the staff would not let him. Now its the opposite?
the fuck

[Amuseddaysleeper]

if only i had the POWUH in this forum to IP ban you

Shut up

[marinoman]

Looks like i may have to change my sig, also wallpaper on my phone

[Arcadian]

I don't understand. Why is he "medically cleared" to play? If his quad still hurts, he shouldn't be cleared to play.

[SpurPadre]

I don't understand. Why is he "medically cleared" to play? If his quad still hurts, he shouldn't be cleared to play.

Because it's about one's pain tolerance level. Some people with the same ailment like TP had, had a higher pain tolerance. That's independent of being cleared to play. Basically, the ball is in Kawhi's court and he's seemingly being a little bitch about it if these reports are true.

[Budkin]

Dude seems broken mentally.

Nothing makes sense with all this. It’s like he’s just gone crazy.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

exactly. i would shut you the fuck up.

i'm having secret thoughts right now about what it would be like to invisi-ban your stupid ass and then read your 6-7 invisible posts where you come to the realization that noone else can see them. mmmmm :jack

What a sad faggot :lol

[apalisoc_9]

I don't understand. Why is he "medically cleared" to play? If his quad still hurts, he shouldn't be cleared to play.

Low pain treshold or Kawhi uncle. I dont blame him for wanting out, he never gets the recognition a supersrar deserves...

Eitherway Kawhi being easy to manipulate by an uncle is very dissapointing. He needs to man up and start taking matters into his hand.

This uncle of his is an idiot.

[Das Texan]

Hey Wojo confirming that Kawhi is a fucking pussy.

Ship his ass out.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Yeah I’m mentally checked out on Kawhi. I’m getting into the mindset that he will never play with the Spurs. I’m so over this shit. It’s sad for the Spurs organization what is going on. Especially that Kawhi will not come out and make a statement. If this was LeBron he would be getting destroyed by the media and the fans.

[SPURt]

Is this getting to Royce White levels?

[offset formation]

I think I’m done with this. Ready to just roll with what we have. I’m not about to think about this Kawhi situation anymore until something actually happens. I think I’ll be able to enjoy the season even more with that mindset.

[Chinook]

So why were spurs hanging up on people asking for a trade for kawhi?

Wtf?

Because they want to pick their compensation. Waiting to see who's in the draft is a much better plan than just trading for a pick that could fall anywhere.

[Nathan89]

I'll wait till Kawhi leaves the Spurs to make any comments as extreme as I see on here tbh.

[lefty]

Kobe >>>>>>> Kawhi

[Down Under]

Supermax tbh, doesn't want to end up like Isaiah - from Supermax to MLE player in one torn labrum...

[offset formation]

Low pain treshold or Kawhi uncle. I dont blame him for wanting out, he never gets the recognition a supersrar deserves...

Eitherway Kawhi being easy to manipulate by an uncle is very dissapointing. He needs to man up and start taking matters into his hand.

This uncle of his is an idiot.

Go the fuck away. You are a worthless human being.

[HarlemHeat37]

Low pain treshold or Kawhi uncle. I dont blame him for wanting out, he never gets the recognition a supersrar deserves...

Eitherway Kawhi being easy to manipulate by an uncle is very dissapointing. He needs to man up and start taking matters into his hand.

This uncle of his is an idiot.

Thanks for the insider news, tbh, keep it coming..

[exstatic]

Anybody think Kawhi Olympic roster spot might not happen now? Pop is the gatekeeper.

[gameFACE]

Kawhi - speak the fuck up! Sorry but the whole quiet thing doesn't work in his case. Even the whole CIA Pop thing only worked during Duncan's time because, shit - he was Tim Fucking Duncan! Kawhi doesn't have the intangibles TD brought. He's a great player technically. Hope it all works out. But until he proves he can lead a team, he better take off the diaper his uncle keeps putting on him and make his own decision.

[SAGirl]

“Sooner rather than later” right?

[Chinook]

Anybody think Kawhi Olympic roster spot might not happen now? Pop is the gatekeeper.

I don't think it will matter, but seeing as it would likely be Pop's final act as a basketball coach, it would be sort of funny if he did something underhanded like that.

[apalisoc_9]

Thanks for the insider news, tbh, keep it coming..

What happend to your gig?

[YGWHI]

Anybody think Kawhi Olympic roster spot might not happen now? Pop is the gatekeeper.

Kawhi always refused to play for Team USA. Why do you think he would want to do it now even if Pop offer him a spot?

It seems like Kawhi doesn't care about it. He had opportunities before and declined the invitations

[Spur|n|Austin]

Kawhi always refused to play for Team USA. Why do you think he would want to do it now? I doubt Kawhi cares about it. He had opportunities before and declined the invitations

He wants to play for Team China.

[TimDunkem]

Is this getting to Royce White levels?

That's what I was thinking. It's either Royce White, or Kyrie and Cleveland. Either way, he isn't going to see the court any time in the forseeable future, so this is bad.

All we can do is wait and see. I fear the worst though.

[NASpurs]

We need a Johnny Ludden-type tell all article... too bad EN writers are worth shit.

[YGWHI]

He wants to play for Team China.
At least his ASG votes would increase by billions ala Yao... :lol

[objective]

We need a Johnny Ludden-type tell all article... too bad EN writers are worth shit.

"The Spurs have had Kawhi since 2011. It's okay to let another team have him going forward" - Geoff McDougal

[SAGirl]

Aldridge & Kawhi to Phoenix for their pick if it's #1 or #2, future picks, the Miami picks, the bucks pick, Bender, and flotsam

Just blow it up and be trash with Patty and Pau
Damn I don’t mind watching a team in search for their next franchise player go through some dark times but two guys I don’t want to watch in a tank are Patty and Pau tbh..

[MaNu4Tres]

"The Spurs have had Kawhi since 2011. It's okay to let another team have him going forward" - Geoff McDougal

:lol

Hilarious, but true.

Whenever or if Kawhi is traded, Spurs would be wise to shop LMA while his value is at an all time high.

Try to ship Pau back to Memphis or LA.

Try trading Patty to Brett Brown and his Sixers.

[SAGirl]

So, there was a chilling after all hah? :lol

[NASpurs]

"The Spurs have had Kawhi since 2011. It's okay to let another team have him going forward" - Geoff McDougal

:lol getting paid to be a yes man and never actually having any actual news besides what we all see on the court or hear from PATFO and the players during interviews. The dude is just there to regurgitate all of these things into written form and sarcastic tweets.

[TE]

The past year has shown how fortunate Pop has been to have spent virtually his entire career in a setting that doesn't resemble the typical NBA environment..outside of Duncan almost leaving to Orlando(which wasn't even comparable to this, since he was a FA), this franchise has faced minimal NBA drama during their great run..

In the past year, they've had to deal with the reality of the NBA and 2 of the most common personalities among superstar athletes..the cancer who asks for a trade and only cares about touches(Aldridge) and the bitch-ass, pussy-boy nigga(Kawhi)..

We'll see how they adjust to the real world from an NBA standpoint..it isn't so easy without Duncan, Ginobili and Parker putting the team first:lol

Personally, my preference is for Pop to retire and to move on from soft-ass Kawhi..Pop is way too out of touch at his current age, he's just living off reputation..start a re-tool(they won't fully rebuild right now) and get Becky in as coach to keep the team somewhat relevant..
:lmao

[SpursBig3s]

I said/meant Spurs have been irritated with Kawhi/Kawhi's camp/Kawhis Uncle and
they are fine letting him go and do what he needs to do because at this juncture they'd prefer him sit out until he's traded or mentally committed to the Spurs again anyway. That does not mean Pop chose to not play Kawhi like you are saying -- . Because Spurs don't have control over what he's doing right now, Uncle Robertson has the keys like I've been saying in the other thread.

I copy and pasted everything I mentioned before the Woj info below.


Not saying I don’t believe you, but I just find it incredible that someone’s uncle has full autonomy over whether the player plays or not. It just doesn’t make sense. How could he do that without repercussion?

[MaNu4Tres]

Not saying I don’t believe you, but I just find it incredible that someone’s uncle has full autonomy over whether the player plays or not. It just doesn’t make sense. How could he do that without repercussion?

He's his agent/manager, and he is calling all the shots regarding Kawhi. Kawhi is closer to his camp than he is the Spurs. That may sound crazy, but its the reality.

[-21-]

Whether it's Kawhi getting mindfucked by his injury or having his uncle influence him to want to leave, this is all just... extremely disappointing. With Kawhi, the Spurs actually stood a chance at beating the Warriors. Not a lot of teams could say that. Now it looks like a rebuild is coming. Sigh.


The past year has shown how fortunate Pop has been to have spent virtually his entire career in a setting that doesn't resemble the typical NBA environment..outside of Duncan almost leaving to Orlando(which wasn't even comparable to this, since he was a FA), this franchise has faced minimal NBA drama during their great run..

In the past year, they've had to deal with the reality of the NBA and 2 of the most common personalities among superstar athletes..the cancer who asks for a trade and only cares about touches(Aldridge) and the bitch-ass, pussy-boy nigga(Kawhi)..

We'll see how they adjust to the real world from an NBA standpoint..it isn't so easy without Duncan, Ginobili and Parker putting the team first:lol

Personally, my preference is for Pop to retire and to move on from soft-ass Kawhi..Pop is way too out of touch at his current age, he's just living off reputation..start a re-tool(they won't fully rebuild right now) and get Becky in as coach to keep the team somewhat relevant..

Pop is a GOAT but this post is still 100% true tbh.

[YGWHI]

He wants to play for Team China.

After watching the three NBA Chinese New Year videos...Yep I'm bored.

-Irving didn't speak in chinese, Kawhi did.

-Kawhi has a lot more views than Irving and AD's

I guess your "source" is better than anyone's here... :tu :lol

[SpursBig3s]

Sure but Brady is playing and nothing is leaking that he has a bad relationship.

False. There was a huge article all over espn about brady’s “Strained relationship” with Belichik and the Pats medical team like a month ago

[HarlemHeat37]

False. There was a huge article all over espn about brady’s “Strained relationship” with Belichik and the Pats medical team like a month ago

Robert Kraft also essentially confirmed it, although without elaborating on the details..

[AaronY]

Pop sat Tim out when Tim could have probably played. He rests players for no reason other than to show his ass. Kawhi decided to sit himself out. He's had great coaching but he's been one hell of a learner, so he's likely been financially coached with "this is your future, look at Derrick Rose who kept pushing it and now he's basically out of the league".

If Kawhi suffered a major injury, the Spurs wouldn't go on hold waiting for him to recover. It's business. That works both ways. Kobe took 50m and spent most of that time on vacation in another country.
oh, I dont know what to make all of this really, I was just doing the culburn thing.

Its a shame because they are 35-24 without him despite the supporting cast supposedly being shit so if he got healthy and we weren't in this superteam era with the Warriors and Rockets type teams they could probably be a title contender in the old days

[Play Boban]

Kawhi is a Republican, which is why he hates poop and wants out tbh. And who can blame him with this Jane Fonda wannabe leading the team?

[objective]

Damn I don’t mind watching a team in search for their next franchise player go through some dark times but two guys I don’t want to watch in a tank are Patty and Pau tbh..

You have to admit though, Patty is the ultimate tank Commander.

Give him the ball in the last two minutes of a winnable game and we can count on him turning it over into a fast break score for the other team. He's a waddling four-point-swing.

[BillMc]

His body can handle workouts but he couldn't give us 15 to 20 minutes on non back-to-backs? Have him come off the bench, it'd still be something.

[phxspurfan]

Shut up

hemann82 has now been successfully added to your ignore list. You will now be returned to where you were.

[phxspurfan]

His body can handle workouts but he couldn't give us 15 to 20 minutes on non back-to-backs? Have him come off the bench, it'd still be something.

:lol I'd love to hear what "Kawhi's uncle" says the minute we pitch him to come off the bench.

[MaNu4Tres]

You have to admit though, Patty is the ultimate tank Commander.

Give him the ball in the last two minutes of a winnable game and we can count on him turning it over into a fast break score for the other team. He's a waddling four-point-swing.

Lol I'm hoping Patty gets 30 minutes a night and closes every game.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Keep in mind Spurs personnel did travel with Kawhi to NY...so maybe thats something positive

[daslicer]

Kawhi you were the chosen one

QiZNSzWIaLo

[MaNu4Tres]

Keep in mind Spurs personnel did travel with Kawhi to NY...so maybe thats something positive

He's still employed by the Spurs. Spurs aren't just going to throw him to the wolves, Spurs are professional as it comes at the end of the day.

[objective]

Btw, yet again this shows how dumb it is to pay Mills for 'culture'

Under his locker room leadership, Kawhi refuses to play, LMA had demanded a trade, Pau cries about not starting, Dedmon bashed his lack of minutes publicly, Slow-Mo's dad declared that he should be the number one option, David West shit talked the team on the way out, etc etc

Best culture leader ever

[BatManu20]

Kawhi is a Republican, which is why he hates poop and wants out tbh. And who can blame him with this Jane Fonda wannabe leading the team?


:lol

[spurs10]

He's still employed by the Spurs. Spurs aren't just going to throw him to the wolves, Spurs are professional as it comes at the end of the day.
Yes this is important. Kawhi is doing due diligence. If he’s cleared to play and confident he won’t worsen his situation we might see him back. Pop is just saying what he knows. If he’s told he’s “not ready” after the ASB then he can’t be surprised if he doesn’t make it back. There is still a chance though.

[ceds]

Btw, yet again this shows how dumb it is to pay Mills for 'culture'

Under his locker room leadership, Kawhi refuses to play, LMA had demanded a trade, Pau cries about not starting, Dedmon bashed his lack of minutes publicly, Slow-Mo's dad declared that he should be the number one option, David West shit talked the team on the way out, etc etc

Best culture leader ever

Enjoy your $$$ Patty.....has hit the grog (alcohol) & fattened up since 14


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_UXH_kh6t8

If kawhi really has been shut down then Patty and Green can lead a mini tank to finish the season

[BillMc]

:lol I'd love to hear what "Kawhi's uncle" says the minute we pitch him to come off the bench.

Team first. Every little bit helps. If he can only play 15 minutes that'd be the best spot for him.

But you're right. Uncle Californian wouldn't like it.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He's still employed by the Spurs. Spurs aren't just going to throw him to the wolves, Spurs are professional as it comes at the end of the day.

For sure, but I was just under the impression Kawhi was keeping the Spurs in the dark about his rehab process.

[BillMc]

Kawhi you were the chosen one

QiZNSzWIaLo
:lmao

[Amuseddaysleeper]

From reddit:

Actually, in all likelihood, rest will not help Kawhi's injury at all.
I’m not a doctor but played a lot of ball and have had quadricep tendinopathy.
Someone is “able” to play through quad tendinopathy but it is uncomfortable and seriously aggravates the tendons. Usually, when tendinopathy occurs, it's because rest wasn't taken initially and the injury has turned into something akin to chronic inflammation (but inflammation isn't actually present on the cellular level).

I learned, after the fact, that in playing through my tendinopathy, I turned a small injury that could have been treated with two weeks of rest, into an injury that required two years of rehabilitation and treatment. Even with treatment, I was unable to squat down to tie my shoes for the better part of three years.
Essentially, it’s an overuse issue in which the athlete has had many micro-traumas to the tendon, and as such, their body begins to dump type-3 collagen (weak scar tissue) in unorganized bundles atop the injury sites. Our tendons are made of well-organized bundles of type-1 collagen, so this is problematic. Imagine cutting a bunch of incisions into a piece of paper and then handing that piece of paper to a child and asking them to use that tacky white school glue to patch the holes — that’s sort of what’s happening within the body during tendonopathy.

As rest alone will not heal this issue, to combat the body’s response, most physiotherapy consists of eccentric loading (lowering weights very slowly) and not performing the isometric contraction (lifting the weights up). For patellar tendinopathy this would be something like wall-sitting and holding your weight on your injured leg, and then standing up from the wall-sit with your healthy leg. This more-or-less teaches or shows the body to once again deposit the collagen in tight and straight bundles.
This is problematic because the athlete needs to load to that perfect balance where they are achieving the necessary resistance/load to incur healing, but not so much resistance/load that they’re aggravating the injury. As such, the healing really feels like 2 steps forward one back. It’s a delicate affair.
Eventually, the athlete has to slowly re-introduce jumping, running, and other explosive movements in increments so as to not completely ruin their tireless rehab efforts. It’s difficult and frustrating for the average athlete, and likely even more so for a highly motivated athlete like Kawhi.
So, while he may be feeling minimal pain and have full functional movement at this point in his recovery, physiotherapists and doctors need to be very very careful not to rush him back. He'll also need to correct his biomechanics that caused the issue in the first place to ensure that he’s not re-aggravating his injury again, as once it becomes chronic, it could plague him for the rest of his career.

So, yeah, it’s really a touch-and-go scenario that is more of an active recovery than you may believe. But with the trainers and professionals he has access to, he’ll likely clear it up and never have to deal with it again. In my opinion, it's wise of him to sit and avoid aggravating the issue.

[BillMc]

From reddit:

Actually, in all likelihood, rest will not help Kawhi's injury at all.
I’m not a doctor but played a lot of ball and have had quadricep tendinopathy.
Someone is “able” to play through quad tendinopathy but it is uncomfortable and seriously aggravates the tendons. Usually, when tendinopathy occurs, it's because rest wasn't taken initially and the injury has turned into something akin to chronic inflammation (but inflammation isn't actually present on the cellular level).

I learned, after the fact, that in playing through my tendinopathy, I turned a small injury that could have been treated with two weeks of rest, into an injury that required two years of rehabilitation and treatment. Even with treatment, I was unable to squat down to tie my shoes for the better part of three years.
Essentially, it’s an overuse issue in which the athlete has had many micro-traumas to the tendon, and as such, their body begins to dump type-3 collagen (weak scar tissue) in unorganized bundles atop the injury sites. Our tendons are made of well-organized bundles of type-1 collagen, so this is problematic. Imagine cutting a bunch of incisions into a piece of paper and then handing that piece of paper to a child and asking them to use that tacky white school glue to patch the holes — that’s sort of what’s happening within the body during tendonopathy.

As rest alone will not heal this issue, to combat the body’s response, most physiotherapy consists of eccentric loading (lowering weights very slowly) and not performing the isometric contraction (lifting the weights up). For patellar tendinopathy this would be something like wall-sitting and holding your weight on your injured leg, and then standing up from the wall-sit with your healthy leg. This more-or-less teaches or shows the body to once again deposit the collagen in tight and straight bundles.
This is problematic because the athlete needs to load to that perfect balance where they are achieving the necessary resistance/load to incur healing, but not so much resistance/load that they’re aggravating the injury. As such, the healing really feels like 2 steps forward one back. It’s a delicate affair.
Eventually, the athlete has to slowly re-introduce jumping, running, and other explosive movements in increments so as to not completely ruin their tireless rehab efforts. It’s difficult and frustrating for the average athlete, and likely even more so for a highly motivated athlete like Kawhi.
So, while he may be feeling minimal pain and have full functional movement at this point in his recovery, physiotherapists and doctors need to be very very careful not to rush him back. He'll also need to correct his biomechanics that caused the issue in the first place to ensure that he’s not re-aggravating his injury again, as once it becomes chronic, it could plague him for the rest of his career.

So, yeah, it’s really a touch-and-go scenario that is more of an active recovery than you may believe. But with the trainers and professionals he has access to, he’ll likely clear it up and never have to deal with it again. In my opinion, it's wise of him to sit and avoid aggravating the issue.

Post of the year. Thanks man. :toast

[Brazil]

Sure but Brady is playing and nothing is leaking that he has a bad relationship.

Well a bunch of stuff leaked about this guru and the tension between both staff. At the end pats are dealing for years and get used to, I believe pop is not taking well that a player does not trust his staff

[Brazil]

Dude Tom Brady is the GOAT and face of the franchise and league. He has single handedly willed that team to like 5 championships. He is their Tim Duncan/LeBron. He deserves to have a personal chef and his own trainers/staff. He also brought their team with a concussed Gronk to 1 play from winning it all this year, after willing them back from like 28 down last year to win it all. Kawhi would be blessed to sniff Brady's sack.

Bro the parallel I drew is about having own medical staff arguing with team medical staff.. not comparing anything else

[tbdog]

Remember when Leonard and Spurs could not agree to a contract extension a few years back. What was that about?

[Stabula]

Tony Parker is under appreciated

[Killakobe81]

U guys are fucking stupid... Kawhi has always been a warrior for us and has always shown up in the post season... ALL of our stars have been out with injuries in their prime... The guy is injured, and ppl pressuring him to play just like u guys are is what keeps reaggrivating his injury... Spurs aren't perfect... Kawhi isn't a drama queen and has never been... Show the man some respect... I don't care how long Kawhi takes to come back, as long as he remains a spur... The guy is the best player in the NBA... U really think he will sit out his MVP year? Gtfoh

Apppreciate the contrarian to all this negativity ...and its good you are loyal to your hometown guy. but no, he is not better than LeBron or Durant. definitely top 5 when healthy and probably top 3. SF just stacked right now ...

[NameLess Scrub]

I hope nobody in the Spurs organization is taking things like in here. It's a possibility he's being too much, but still give the guy the benefit of the doubt and let him look out for his health.

I just hope for the best. Being saying semi sarcastically he won't come back but I hope he finds answers and is back playing soon.

The NBA is not the same without Kawhi. I can't get myself to cheer for guys like warriors, Westbrook, etc. I'm barely getting some sympathy for LeBron, probably thanks to the warriors.

[tholdren]

Im gay

[bklynspursfan]

“Sooner rather than later” right?

It was when he made that comment. Now it's just kind of a shit show. Sounds like he's over it

[NameLess Scrub]

---

:lol you sure love to pick fights

[Russo21]

Motherfucker

[Russo21]

Can the Spurs sue Kawhi? Kawhi has been cleared to play and he is voluntarily sitting out while getting paid a friggen fortune! Sue his ass!

[spursistan]

The past year has shown how fortunate Pop has been to have spent virtually his entire career in a setting that doesn't resemble the typical NBA environment..outside of Duncan almost leaving to Orlando(which wasn't even comparable to this, since he was a FA), this franchise has faced minimal NBA drama during their great run..

In the past year, they've had to deal with the reality of the NBA and 2 of the most common personalities among superstar athletes..the cancer who asks for a trade and only cares about touches(Aldridge) and the bitch-ass, pussy-boy nigga(Kawhi)..

We'll see how they adjust to the real world from an NBA standpoint..it isn't so easy without Duncan, Ginobili and Parker putting the team first:lol

Personally, my preference is for Pop to retire and to move on from soft-ass Kawhi..Pop is way too out of touch at his current age, he's just living off reputation..start a re-tool(they won't fully rebuild right now) and get Becky in as coach to keep the team somewhat relevant..

:wow :depressed..

The optics of it don't look good for Kawhi. I really hope he is actually injured in the body, not the mind.

The fact that Pop of all people, the gury of rest shtick and player maintenance, was sitting behind a camera to essentially deliver a message to a player and his camp that the ball is in their court and it up to a said player to man up and play is fuckin' nuts :lol..

[Keepin' it real]

From reddit:

Actually, in all likelihood, rest will not help Kawhi's injury at all.
I’m not a doctor but played a lot of ball and have had quadricep tendinopathy.
Someone is “able” to play through quad tendinopathy but it is uncomfortable and seriously aggravates the tendons. Usually, when tendinopathy occurs, it's because rest wasn't taken initially and the injury has turned into something akin to chronic inflammation (but inflammation isn't actually present on the cellular level).

I learned, after the fact, that in playing through my tendinopathy, I turned a small injury that could have been treated with two weeks of rest, into an injury that required two years of rehabilitation and treatment. Even with treatment, I was unable to squat down to tie my shoes for the better part of three years.
Essentially, it’s an overuse issue in which the athlete has had many micro-traumas to the tendon, and as such, their body begins to dump type-3 collagen (weak scar tissue) in unorganized bundles atop the injury sites. Our tendons are made of well-organized bundles of type-1 collagen, so this is problematic. Imagine cutting a bunch of incisions into a piece of paper and then handing that piece of paper to a child and asking them to use that tacky white school glue to patch the holes — that’s sort of what’s happening within the body during tendonopathy.

As rest alone will not heal this issue, to combat the body’s response, most physiotherapy consists of eccentric loading (lowering weights very slowly) and not performing the isometric contraction (lifting the weights up). For patellar tendinopathy this would be something like wall-sitting and holding your weight on your injured leg, and then standing up from the wall-sit with your healthy leg. This more-or-less teaches or shows the body to once again deposit the collagen in tight and straight bundles.
This is problematic because the athlete needs to load to that perfect balance where they are achieving the necessary resistance/load to incur healing, but not so much resistance/load that they’re aggravating the injury. As such, the healing really feels like 2 steps forward one back. It’s a delicate affair.
Eventually, the athlete has to slowly re-introduce jumping, running, and other explosive movements in increments so as to not completely ruin their tireless rehab efforts. It’s difficult and frustrating for the average athlete, and likely even more so for a highly motivated athlete like Kawhi.
So, while he may be feeling minimal pain and have full functional movement at this point in his recovery, physiotherapists and doctors need to be very very careful not to rush him back. He'll also need to correct his biomechanics that caused the issue in the first place to ensure that he’s not re-aggravating his injury again, as once it becomes chronic, it could plague him for the rest of his career.

So, yeah, it’s really a touch-and-go scenario that is more of an active recovery than you may believe. But with the trainers and professionals he has access to, he’ll likely clear it up and never have to deal with it again. In my opinion, it's wise of him to sit and avoid aggravating the issue.

https://i.imgur.com/w2WX8kD.gif

[DMC]

His body can handle workouts but he couldn't give us 15 to 20 minutes on non back-to-backs? Have him come off the bench, it'd still be something.

It's not the Spurs' call.

I can't say I blame him. He's worried about his future. For you and me, we'd just walk it off because we aren't looking at 200 million over 5 years, riding on our health. If Kawhi isn't at 100%, he's not going to command max pay and if his game struggles because of it, he's going to fall off the superstar radar.

For him, it's probably just paranoia and trust. He's been released to play a few times, like last year with his ankle, and yet he wasn't really ready.

He has a ring, 2 DPOY awards and a Finals MVP. That's a stellar career for even a 20 year player. He doesn't feel "ring" pressure, I don't think.

Plus, you hear "it's your team" when you're a young player, that locks you in. You probably take less than you're worth. Kawhi could now be told that about a lot of teams in the league. He's not relegated to the Spurs system anymore.

Still, I think it's more drama than substance.

[vander]

https://i.imgur.com/w2WX8kD.gif

you should read it though, it changed mind on Kawhi's situation. I hope he rehabs it right, takes as much time as necessary

[DMC]

https://i.imgur.com/w2WX8kD.gif

Cliff Notes version: Dude isn't a doctor but thinks he is. Says Kawhi is right.

[r0drig0lac]

Kobe >>>>>>> Kawhi

nobody would say otherwise anyway

[r0drig0lac]

Btw, yet again this shows how dumb it is to pay Mills for 'culture'

Under his locker room leadership, Kawhi refuses to play, LMA had demanded a trade, Pau cries about not starting, Dedmon bashed his lack of minutes publicly, Slow-Mo's dad declared that he should be the number one option, David West shit talked the team on the way out, etc etc

Best culture leader ever

truth b...

[Seventyniner]

From reddit:

Actually, in all likelihood, rest will not help Kawhi's injury at all.

In my opinion, it's wise of him to sit and avoid aggravating the issue.

Which is he recommending? The first and last sentence contradict each other.

[spurs2112]

you should read it though, it changed mind on Kawhi's situation. I hope he rehabs it right, takes as much time as necessary

If what this individual said about the injury is true, it does change things a bit. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it rumored or thought at one point this injury started last season. If he brought it up to the medical staff then and was told everything is ok or its just soreness you can play through and not rested it initially, he may have damaged it more as the reddit post suggest. This could be why he is upset with the Spurs and the medical staff and why he is taking his time now.

[Avitus1]

Nothing makes sense with all this. It’s like he’s just gone crazy.

Yea, it’s beyond frustrating. He’s on the third best team in the league they might even be second best if he played but he’s sitting out. It’s a lost season. Not for the Spurs but for him.

[dbreiden83080]

How is it that anybody here could pin any of this on the Spurs management? It’s their fault that he won’t play? It’s their fault that he is injured? They micromanage the minutes to avoid injuries and he still got hurt. If he was playing in Houston with all of those minutes James Harden logs his damn leg would have fallen off by now. He simply is soft. He is not tough. He is no Tim Duncan.

[vander]

Which is he recommending? The first and last sentence contradict each other.

sit =/= rest

[hater]

If what that reddit says was true he would have been shut down long ago

Obviously reality it is not as decribed. Might be some truth to it but IMO its more pain and mental

[Dre_7]

you should read it though, it changed mind on Kawhi's situation. I hope he rehabs it right, takes as much time as necessary

I hope for the best for him and the Spurs. I am still thinking he will be with them long term.

[dbreiden83080]

Kobe >>>>>>> Kawhi

Kobe is incredibly tough. Mentally and physically. He wants to win badly and will sacrifice his body to make it happen. Apparently KL if he feels the slightest pain shuts it down. He might as well retire.

[tmtcsc]

Can the Spurs sue Kawhi? Kawhi has been cleared to play and he is voluntarily sitting out while getting paid a friggen fortune! Sue his ass!

Job adandonment

[dbreiden83080]

Job adandonment

Probably not. These damn contracts are so one sided and guaranteed as soon as they sign them. You basically can do anything and they still OU the money.

[clambake]

I'm happy for kawhi. he's making a little over 2million per game.

[Dre_7]

Can the Spurs sue Kawhi? Kawhi has been cleared to play and he is voluntarily sitting out while getting paid a friggen fortune! Sue his ass!

I don't think that would even be a thought for them. Odds are they are still trying to keep him in San Antonio long term. Suing him would not help that at all.

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo-gzB5vRiU

[SAGirl]

Remember when Leonard and Spurs could not agree to a contract extension a few years back. What was that about?
Spurs wanted to make a significant move the following season and preferred to have his small caphold of something like that.

[SAGirl]

It was when he made that comment. Now it's just kind of a shit show. Sounds like he's over it
Let it go dude. It’s obvious that they have disagreed going back for months and this was never a certain thing.

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x8vi2Z66cQ

[bklynspursfan]

Let it go dude. It’s obvious that they have disagreed going back for months and this was never a certain thing.

Huh? You say sooner rather than later quite frequently, what do I need to let go?

He came back, and chose to sit out again. Things changed for sure

[SAGirl]

Huh? You say sooner rather than later quite frequently, what do I need to let go?

He came back, and chose to sit out again. Things changed for sure
Bc you have to be protecting PATFO like what he said meant anything when he said it. It didn’t mean anything m. Actually at one point he said he kept saying that bc he had to say something and he didn’t have anything.

I am as as sarcastic as Pop was with his nothing statements.. but sure planets, Trump Yada Yada

[bklynspursfan]

Bc you have to be protecting PATFO like what he said meant anything when he said it. It didn’t mean anything m. Actually at one point he said he kept saying that bc he had to say something and he didn’t have anything.

I am as as sarcastic as Pop was with his nothing statements.. but sure planets, Trump Yada Yada

Smh. It clearly meant something because Kawhi came back shortly after he said it :rolleyes

Before that, it was more of he had no idea, and people were all upset because they thought he was being CIA Pop and what not. Idk how you still don't see it, but w/e.

[NASpurs]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo-gzB5vRiU

Kawhi’s uncle is the shit stain that is the underwear of the Spurs.

[SAGirl]

Smh. It clearly meant something because Kawhi came back shortly after he said it :rolleyes

Before that, it was more of he had no idea, and people were all upset because they thought he was being CIA Pop and what not. Idk how you still don't see it, but w/e.
Keep shaking your head...
Sooner rather than later... it didn’t mean anything unless you meant later rather than sooner. :lol

[Keepin' it real]

you should read it though, it changed mind on Kawhi's situation. I hope he rehabs it right, takes as much time as necessary


Cliff Notes version: Dude isn't a doctor but thinks he is. Says Kawhi is right.

Thanks. Did y'all hear Shannon Sharpe on Undisputed today? He referenced his shoulder injury from back in the day. While jogging during rehab, he felt a crunch in his injured shoulder. Team doctors found nothing wrong. Shannon didn't like that, so he went elsewhere for a 2nd opinion. The 2nd opinion concurred with the team. All scans and tests showed he was ok, but he knew he wasn't, so despite team doctor and independent doctors clearing him, he didn't play.

It is true that MRIs, CT scans, etc don't always catch everything.

[bklynspursfan]

Looking at some older Kawhi/Family articles. Interesting stuff while we wait for something to happen or not happen:



Recently, Kim Robertson’s (Kawhi's Mom) mother paid her daughter and grandson a visit. A deeply spiritual and religious woman, Kawhi’s grandmother began talking to him about the Bible and reminding him how important it was to keep religion in his life. There, Leonard revealed to his mother and grandmother that he had a Bible Verse of the Day app on his phone. He told them his favorite verse came from his favorite book, the Book of Job. It’s the story of a man who has everything—his health, his wealth, his family—taken away from him by God, yet never loses his faith. Eventually, Job is given his health back and starts a new family. His wealth doubles, too.

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Dennis Robertson, Leonard's uncle, is the closest thing he has to a father figure since Kawhi's father, Mark, was killed at age 43 at a Compton, Calif., car wash in 2008. "To be quite honest with you, (the quiet nature) is a Kawhi thing," Robertson said. "His father was kind of low-key, but I don't think anyone is as low-key as Kawhi in our family."

But reportedly wants to move him to LA :huh

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His mother, Kim Robertson, grandmother Wanda, uncle Dennis Robertson, aunt Tish Christian and his aunt in-law Cheryl Walker-Robertson provided additional insight.They talked about Leonard's likes and dislikes. His commitment to family. His sense of humor. The fact that material things don't matter. Perhaps the most important thing to know about Leonard: The tight relationship he shares with his mother, who lives with him in San Antonio. Leonard has the upstairs, his mother takes the downstairs. She handles the day-to-day operations; grocery shopping, cooking, taking the cars to get serviced, all so her son can concentrate on basketball. Robertson says the youngest of her three children and only son has aspirations to one day start his own clothing line."I told him, 'Why don't you name it Mama's Boy," she said humorously. He said, 'I'm not naming it that.' I said, 'Kawhi, a mama's boy just means you love your mom



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Leonard never spoke on the issue until his clinic. He said Durant's opinion didn't bother him. In fact, Leonard doesn't pay attention to social media. My team won the championship,; he said,; that's the goal. That's where everybody wants to be at, so ... I got my own expectations ... I don't ever try to reach anyone else's.


Asked about the Spurs' offseason moves, Leonard approved. We had a great offseason; he said. We called back Boris (Diaw), Patty (Mills). Tony (Parker); we have a point guard for the future; I'm happy about that just in case the Spurs do extend me and if I am a Spur for life. That's a great thing to know that Tony will be there.



HOTS

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2013/06/12/kawhi-leonard-lebron-james-finals-miami-heat-vs-san-antonio-spurs-game-4/2417229/

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-Leonard-through-his-family-s-eyes-5769977.php#/0

http://www.slamonline.com/the-magazine/features/kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs/

[bklynspursfan]

Keep shaking your head...
Sooner rather than later... it didn’t mean anything unless you meant later rather than sooner. :lol

:wakeup

[dbreiden83080]

Kawhi’s uncle is the shit stain that is the underwear of the Spurs.

But what does his uncle have anything to do with him not playing? I don’t get it? Players play out their contracts all the time in situations they are not that happy to be in.. You are not increasing your trade value or your free agent value by refusing to play basketball. So what if the uncle wants to him to leave San Antonio? He still needs to play.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

We're finished.

[BillMc]

Looking at some older Kawhi/Family articles. Interesting stuff while we wait for something to happen or not happen:




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But reportedly wants to move him to LA :huh

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HOTS

Nice research!:toast

Maybe D-Rob can come in and bond with Kawhi since they are both very devout. I suppose that would be sort of a mercenary use of faith though....