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AlexJones
02-23-2018, 06:05 AM
:lol old media heads and casual fans think Pop is having one of the best coaching seasons ever

The Spurs are 35-24 with a +3.1 point differential, ok. When you adjust their net rating (per 100 possessions) for quality of opponent, it comes to about 2.73 (7th in the league). OKC is at 3.25, Minnesota 3.01. Houston and Golden State are at 8.32 and 8.20, respectively. The Spurs are really the 5th best team in the Western Conference.

For comparison, last year's Spurs with Kawhi won 61 games with an adjusted net rating of 7.49. I think this year's team has had an appropriate drop-off without their superstar. No, Pop isn't doing miracles with Aldridge and a bunch of old role players. Doc has done better with LAC, tbqh. They're still an above average team despite not having Griffin or Paul anymore. And Stevens is straight up better than Pop. It's a miracle that Boston has a 40-19 record with their peripherals.

140
02-23-2018, 08:47 AM
This year?

:lol

baseline bum
02-23-2018, 12:06 PM
The Spurs record is a combination of weak schedule and a super weak conference outside Golden State and Houston. There is no way they're holding that three seed with 19 of the remaining 23 games against teams with winning records. The teams that used to be around that three seed were gutted in the last two years with Durant to GS and Paul to Houston, so the conference is basically Golden State, Houston, and then a bunch of 6 seeds and lotto teams. Try telling that to people upstairs though. :lol

MultiTroll
02-23-2018, 12:34 PM
What year was he impressive?

baseline bum
02-23-2018, 01:27 PM
What year was he impressive?

2003 and 2014 were pretty impressive

Clipper Nation
02-23-2018, 01:31 PM
Doc has done better with LAC, tbqh.
Clear indication of someone who never watches our games. Doc is still an awful coach, and now that Austin's back, we have nepotism costing us games again.

Arcadian
02-23-2018, 01:46 PM
2003 and 2014 were pretty impressive

He had a top 5 all-time player at his peak in 03.

dfens
02-23-2018, 02:00 PM
sons there are some vicious cow loving trump voting homeless school of life graduates trolling in here :lmao

this nigga pop has a great record with lamarcus aldrige, rudy "i suck" gay, the floating skulls of mvpau, porker and turnobili, and dleague nobodies in brynn forbes, bertans, dejonte murray, etc .. and all these niggas have played more mins than Kawaw.

smh y'all posting in here like this was your average high school teacher smh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrKTBvtntMY

hater
02-23-2018, 02:02 PM
Tim Duncan

Since he left Spur will never achieve anything

This was known why is OP so behind in the times? :lol

Brunodf
02-23-2018, 03:32 PM
This year :lol
Try 2 out of the last 10

UZER
02-23-2018, 05:57 PM
:lol old media heads and casual fans think Pop is having one of the best coaching seasons ever

The Spurs are 35-24 with a +3.1 point differential, ok. When you adjust their net rating (per 100 possessions) for quality of opponent, it comes to about 2.73 (7th in the league). OKC is at 3.25, Minnesota 3.01. Houston and Golden State are at 8.32 and 8.20, respectively. The Spurs are really the 5th best team in the Western Conference.

For comparison, last year's Spurs with Kawhi won 61 games with an adjusted net rating of 7.49. I think this year's team has had an appropriate drop-off without their superstar. No, Pop isn't doing miracles with Aldridge and a bunch of old role players. Doc has done better with LAC, tbqh. They're still an above average team despite not having Griffin or Paul anymore. And Stevens is straight up better than Pop. It's a miracle that Boston has a 40-19 record with their peripherals.

Yeah, we all know that dumbass.

turkish spurs fan
02-23-2018, 11:37 PM
he criticizes trump and become king. no problem for him.

Robz4000
02-23-2018, 11:44 PM
He's been done for a few years now. After 2014 he just lost the fire.

TimDunkem
02-24-2018, 12:55 AM
He's mailing it in. All he has to do is yell and make political statements just enough times to trick people into thinking that he still gives a fuck.

HarlemHeat37
02-24-2018, 12:55 AM
It's cute reading threads on RealGM and tweets applauding his job in getting SA the 3rd seed that they have by default, tbh:lol

Also, he built the shitty roster he's getting credit for coaching, which non-Spurs fans seem to ignore..

TDMVPDPOY
02-24-2018, 01:41 AM
spurs winning culture has always been cuck culture

-03 chasing kidd who is known to be a cuck and we all know what happen when u listen to ur wife?
-parker cucking team mate, yet still gets loyalty contract
-td getting cuck by cholo midget
-chasing pau after being cuck by wagf who cant keep secrets out of lakers

spurs keeping cucks from going to other teams to spread cuck culture

lefty
02-24-2018, 03:10 AM
spurs winning culture has always been cuck culture

-03 chasing kidd who is known to be a cuck and we all know what happen when u listen to ur wife?
-parker cucking team mate, yet still gets loyalty contract
-td getting cuck by cholo midget
-chasing pau after being cuck by wagf who cant keep secrets out of lakers

spurs keeping cucks from going to other teams to spread cuck culture
:lol

Raven
02-24-2018, 07:42 AM
duh?

140
02-24-2018, 11:32 AM
spurs winning culture has always been cuck culture

-03 chasing kidd who is known to be a cuck and we all know what happen when u listen to ur wife?
-parker cucking team mate, yet still gets loyalty contract
-td getting cuck by cholo midget
-chasing pau after being cuck by wagf who cant keep secrets out of lakers

spurs keeping cucks from going to other teams to spread cuck culture
:lol

UZER
02-24-2018, 11:49 AM
spurs winning culture has always been cuck culture

-03 chasing kidd who is known to be a cuck and we all know what happen when u listen to ur wife?
-parker cucking team mate, yet still gets loyalty contract
-td getting cuck by cholo midget
-chasing pau after being cuck by wagf who cant keep secrets out of lakers

spurs keeping cucks from going to other teams to spread cuck culture

Don't forget...

-Pop telling Kerr to take the GSW job only to get cucked by him over and over.

Will Hunting
02-24-2018, 12:45 PM
Spurs fans turning on Pop because of his political views is pretty hilarious tbh. Baseline Bum is right that being the 3 seed in the West means nothing but there there isn’t a coach out there who’d have them competing with Houston or Golden State so I don’t really get the criticism when he’s coaching them to their ceiling. Even with a weak conference and an easy schedule, there’s no way the average NBA coach would have this team close to a 3 seed. There’s also no valid criticism for last year when the Spurs looked like the one team that had a chance against Golden State before a dirty play.

There might be some bias from growing up in Phoenix watching him undress the Suns in the playoffs every year, but I’ve never seen a coach get more out of players than he has at any level.

UZER
02-24-2018, 12:46 PM
Don't forget...

-Pop telling Kerr to take the GSW job only to get cucked by him over and over.

Oh I forgot...Kerrs son works for the Spurs. :lol

UZER
02-24-2018, 12:52 PM
Spurs fans turning on Pop because of his political views is pretty hilarious tbh. Baseline Bum is right that being the 3 seed in the West means nothing but there there isn’t a coach out there who’d have them competing with Houston or Golden State so I don’t really get the criticism when he’s coaching them to their ceiling. Even with a weak conference and an easy schedule, there’s no way the average NBA coach would have this team close to a 3 seed. There’s also no valid criticism for last year when the Spurs looked like the one team that had a chance against Golden State before a dirty play.

There might be some bias from growing up in Phoenix watching him undress the Suns in the playoffs every year, but I’ve never seen a coach get more out of players than he has at any level.

Yeah that's the reason. :lol

People have had issues with Pop being done way before he started popping off when Trump took office a year ago. Get real.

TimDunkem
02-24-2018, 12:56 PM
Yeah that's the reason. :lol

People have had issues with Pop being done way before he started popping off when Trump took office a year ago. Get real.

Yeah. He doesn't watch enough Spurs games.

Between the constant inexplicable decision making on the court -which is seemingly every game now - to the poor decision making in the front office, Pop has been on the decline for a few years now. The political rants are just the diarrhea sauce on the shit sandwhich Pop has been serving up lately, tbh.

TE
02-24-2018, 01:49 PM
Yeah. He doesn't watch enough Spurs games.

Between the constant inexplicable decision making on the court -which is seemingly every game now - to the poor decision making in the front office, Pop has been on the decline for a few years now. The political rants are just the diarrhea sauce on the shit sandwhich Pop has been serving up lately, tbh.

The in-game decisions are closer to a quarter by quarter basis tbh. Taking a player out who is 1) defending well and playing within the team on offense assisting etc, and/or to 2) a player who is scorching from the field...and replacing that with a player who hasn't entered the game (thus is cold) or is an absolute albatross on defense/rebounding.

Every.Single.Game.

Part of the reason for being considered a great coach is knowing when to make decisions on the fly. Pop is out of touch with the roster he had a firm hand in building.

The narrative that he's this great coach who can get five scrubs out of the local rec center and coach them up to compete with greater competition is so absolutely flawed and always has been.

DMC
02-24-2018, 04:25 PM
Pop isn't the issue. Being in San Antonio is already a huge setback for a franchise that depends on attracting "at will" players who can live anywhere they want. Nothing wrong with San Antonio, it's just not the quintessential "party" town and if you're not going to be playing alongside the GOAT these days. You're going to be playing alongside fathead and Aldridge with Danny Green and Patty Mills taking major minutes.

You'll win some games, but YOU won't get any real recognition and if you're already good, the Spurs stamp on your luggage doesn't raise your value any since it's considered a "system" franchise where your individual assets weren't as important.

If you're a top 20 player in the league, you want to showcase your talents. You cannot really do that in San Antonio.

Also, I think it weighed on KL heavily last year when Pop benched the starters in the opening round against Memphis. There are some lines you just don't cross, and Pop showed his ass.

UZER
02-24-2018, 04:54 PM
Pop isn't the issue. Being in San Antonio is already a huge setback for a franchise that depends on attracting "at will" players who can live anywhere they want. Nothing wrong with San Antonio, it's just not the quintessential "party" town and if you're not going to be playing alongside the GOAT these days. You're going to be playing alongside fathead and Aldridge with Danny Green and Patty Mills taking major minutes.

You'll win some games, but YOU won't get any real recognition and if you're already good, the Spurs stamp on your luggage doesn't raise your value any since it's considered a "system" franchise where your individual assets weren't as important.

If you're a top 20 player in the league, you want to showcase your talents. You cannot really do that in San Antonio.

Also, I think it weighed on KL heavily last year when Pop benched the starters in the opening round against Memphis. There are some lines you just don't cross, and Pop showed his ass.

Plus, if Kawhi is as competitive as they say, then constant minute restrictions (pre-this year), random benching when he's rolling, and multiple throw away games due to rest probably don't sit well with him either.

In a league full of alphas, Kawhi's trying to prove he's the best player, while his coach is still trying to show everyone how much smarter he is. Pop has admitted he thinks Kawhi should only a average like 22-25 points a game, or close to that. Who the fuck tells an in-their-prime player that? Kawhi is a late bloomer. He didn't have the full offensive reigns like Tim did early on with 4down being called all the time for his first 8 years in the league.

Robz4000
02-24-2018, 06:06 PM
Spurs fans turning on Pop because of his political views is pretty hilarious tbh. Baseline Bum is right that being the 3 seed in the West means nothing but there there isn’t a coach out there who’d have them competing with Houston or Golden State so I don’t really get the criticism when he’s coaching them to their ceiling. Even with a weak conference and an easy schedule, there’s no way the average NBA coach would have this team close to a 3 seed. There’s also no valid criticism for last year when the Spurs looked like the one team that had a chance against Golden State before a dirty play.

There might be some bias from growing up in Phoenix watching him undress the Suns in the playoffs every year, but I’ve never seen a coach get more out of players than he has at any level.

I'd agree if this were Pop from 3-4 years ago, but he's been pretty terrible for a few seasons now.

TDMVPDPOY
02-24-2018, 09:52 PM
one thing about pop, he always loses against his protégé every h2h game, call it whatever u want, whether its sacrificing or mercy game...a loss is a loss when that game should be a easy win against ur student...fck him handing out free wins

oh yeh, don't get forget that beautiful game, remember when avery Johnson with his small ball madea fool out of him, ever since 06 pop has been trying to implement his own version of small ball from 08-13 trying to win a championship with small ball lineups...wasting multiple picks drafting that pg or perimeter player only to be draft busts and wasting tims final years in the Enrique era

UZER
02-25-2018, 01:31 AM
one thing about pop, he always loses against his protégé every h2h game, call it whatever u want, whether its sacrificing or mercy game...a loss is a loss when that game should be a easy win against ur student...fck him handing out free wins

oh yeh, don't get forget that beautiful game, remember when avery Johnson with his small ball madea fool out of him, ever since 06 pop has been trying to implement his own version of small ball from 08-13 trying to win a championship with small ball lineups...wasting multiple picks drafting that pg or perimeter player only to be draft busts and wasting tims final years in the Enrique era

Then he physically molests them at half court after the game with long groping hugs, heavy shoulder rubbing, sweet whispers in their ears, followed by the "Who gives a shit anyway" fake friendly laugh. :lol

Dude has gotten weird.

DMC
02-25-2018, 02:47 AM
Pop could very well overstay his welcome or just hit a bad moment like Sloan did. Someone could Deron Williams him right out of the league. Sometimes you just have to know when to call your masterpiece finished. I think everyone knows by now that what Pop produces will make it to the playoffs most likely, and do well there but not well enough to threaten the contenders on most years. This is especially true now. Tim Duncan ain't walking through that door.

That said, Pop doesn't have the tools to work with anymore. His best days are behind him and he's just marking time doing the same routine and getting the results he's always gotten from that level of talent. Pop doesn't want to go through rebuilding in SA. When they hit bottom, they're going to be there for a little while.

Then again, one name, just one, could simply say "I'm going to San Antonio" and everything changes... just like that. Probably won't happen. Stars admire Pop from a distance, but they don't want to be yelled at and lowered in stature by playing under such a domineering coach who calls every play down the floor.

TDMVPDPOY
02-25-2018, 03:28 AM
if spursfans enjoy watching pop finish with top4 record every year, but nothing in the playoffs? u might as well go ask wenger t he wanker to come to the spurs to coach basketball...another wanker at arsenal who keeps on getting his coaching contract renewed cause he can only deliver top4 finishes, but no trophy...20yrs at shitsenal and only 1 trophy to show for it?

AlexJones
02-25-2018, 12:18 PM
It's cute reading threads on RealGM and tweets applauding his job in getting SA the 3rd seed that they have by default, tbh:lol

Also, he built the shitty roster he's getting credit for coaching, which non-Spurs fans seem to ignore..

In terms of NBA opinions:

Analytics twitter>Gambling forums>Spurstalk>Regular Twitter>RealGM>Youtube comments>>>>>>Reddit

Spurtacular
02-25-2018, 07:30 PM
I'd say beating Cavs on the road was impressive; but Pop didn't have to do it with Rec League Parker in the line-up.

Spurtacular
02-25-2018, 07:31 PM
In terms of NBA opinions:

Analytics twitter>Gambling forums>Spurstalk>Regular Twitter>RealGM>Youtube comments>>>>>>Reddit

Analytics twitter?

What gambling forums you doing?

Spurtacular
02-25-2018, 07:33 PM
Pop could very well overstay his welcome or just hit a bad moment like Sloan did. Someone could Deron Williams him right out of the league.

Not while Buford, Holt are still around.

lefty
02-25-2018, 07:36 PM
:lol Arsene Popovich

140
02-25-2018, 07:37 PM
:lol Arsene Popovich

:lol

DMC
02-25-2018, 09:47 PM
Not while Buford, Holt are still around.

Peter isn't in charge anymore and we have no idea what kind of relationship Pop has with the others.

Spurtacular
02-25-2018, 10:16 PM
Peter isn't in charge anymore and we have no idea what kind of relationship Pop has with the others.

I still don't think it's a concern.

1. I sat behind the Jazz bench one game. Sloan was quite the hothead all game long. That surprised me. The lore of Pop being a hard ass pales to what Sloan actually was.
2. If the Spurs wouldn't get rid of Pop to keep Kawhi (not saying that is the situation), then I cannot see anyone else coming along with the clout to make that happen.
3. Even if Spurs did pull out the chair from under Pop, he'd have his pick of any championship team basically.
4. He's old and probably doesn't give to much of a fuck and is ready to enjoy the sunset however it comes.

DMC
02-25-2018, 11:13 PM
I still don't think it's a concern.

1. I sat behind the Jazz bench one game. Sloan was quite the hothead all game long. That surprised me. The lore of Pop being a hard ass pales to what Sloan actually was.
2. If the Spurs wouldn't get rid of Pop to keep Kawhi (not saying that is the situation), then I cannot see anyone else coming along with the clout to make that happen.
3. Even if Spurs did pull out the chair from under Pop, he'd have his pick of any championship team basically.
4. He's old and probably doesn't give to much of a fuck and is ready to enjoy the sunset however it comes.

Pop is nearing 70. He's committed, at that age, to coaching USA basketball. He's become very vocal in the press regarding politics. While that might garner him some kudos from the liberal media, a large number of their fanbase is from the other side of the aisle and probably neither side wants to hear about politics while watching basketball.

If you hang around long enough, eventually your ticket gets punched. I hope Pop punches his own ticket before that can happen, but it only takes one incident for the media to turn on him. Let one player say Pop made a racist remark at them. Let something come out about the inner workings of the Spurs that isn't completely PC. Let Becky Hammon make an accusation that one of the staff made a move on her. It doesn't have to be Pop, he would be forced to consider resigning.

I don't see any of this happening, but the more times you pull that trigger, the greater the chance of getting a live round.

Spurtacular
02-25-2018, 11:46 PM
Pop is nearing 70. He's committed, at that age, to coaching USA basketball. He's become very vocal in the press regarding politics. While that might garner him some kudos from the liberal media, a large number of their fanbase is from the other side of the aisle and probably neither side wants to hear about politics while watching basketball.

If you hang around long enough, eventually your ticket gets punched. I hope Pop punches his own ticket before that can happen, but it only takes one incident for the media to turn on him. Let one player say Pop made a racist remark at them. Let something come out about the inner workings of the Spurs that isn't completely PC. Let Becky Hammon make an accusation that one of the staff made a move on her. It doesn't have to be Pop, he would be forced to consider resigning.

I don't see any of this happening, but the more times you pull that trigger, the greater the chance of getting a live round.

As I just sort of alluded to in another post, I think the NBA takes the non uber-liberal / non snowflake market for granted. And I think really all the leagues for that matter are in that boat to one degree or another. If he was spouting conservative talking points, then he'd be in real trouble.

Also, there is no coach in the NBA with more clout then Pop. Anything is possible, but if anyone is going to feel comfortable, it's him. Perhaps, that's why he's running his mouth all the time; he feels untouchable as long as he's going with the current.

spurraider21
02-26-2018, 02:49 AM
In terms of NBA opinions:

Analytics twitter>Gambling forums>Spurstalk>Regular Twitter>RealGM>Youtube comments>>>>>>Reddit
based on your takes you probably spend a lot of time on reddit tbh

DeRozan m8
02-26-2018, 05:26 AM
Its amazing Mavs and Laker fans even have the guts to show themselves here hahaha

We haven't reached the lows of their teams in 20 years....even while missing our best player for majority of the season....

EDIT - This Laker fan in here is actually alright, assumed it was one of the other desmonds.

DJR210
02-26-2018, 11:35 AM
2003 and 2014 were pretty impressive

I thought 2013 was a good year as well, except for his retarded "we don't play that way in the US :cry" bullshit about why he didn't call the intentional foul that would have prevented the Ray Allen dagger

8FOR!3
02-26-2018, 01:51 PM
I'm extremely frustrating with Pop this year more than ever from a personal perspective. I also think he's questionably extremely arrogant, but from a basketball perspective I don't think I'm that disappointed with the job he's done. He has thus far mended the Aldridge bridge, we're at the moment still a winning team, and I think he's made some decent lineup decisions. I really don't see where anyone's frustration with him as a coach is right now, do you really expect us to be a 50+ win team without Kawhi? I think he's bringing along the younger guys like Murray/Kyle/Bertans just fine and has finally started giving them bigger opportunities because with Kawhi's injury and Parker's aging it has worked out that way.

DAF86
02-26-2018, 05:34 PM
I'm extremely frustrating with Pop this year more than ever from a personal perspective. I also think he's questionably extremely arrogant, but from a basketball perspective I don't think I'm that disappointed with the job he's done. He has thus far mended the Aldridge bridge, we're at the moment still a winning team, and I think he's made some decent lineup decisions. I really don't see where anyone's frustration with him as a coach is right now, do you really expect us to be a 50+ win team without Kawhi? I think he's bringing along the younger guys like Murray/Kyle/Bertans just fine and has finally started giving them bigger opportunities because with Kawhi's injury and Parker's aging it has worked out that way.

Bertans seems like is going back to the dog house.