Progressivism Wins (Literally)! Men Allowed To Beat Up Girls! (State Sponsored, Too!)

[Spurtacular]

Euless Trinity (Texas) transgender wrestler Mack Beggs won his second straight state title Saturday evening to a chorus of boos.

Beggs (36-0), who won last year's Class 6A girls championship in the 110-pound division, won by decision 15-3 against Chelsea Sanchez of Katy Morton Ranch.
Last year, the 18-year-old beat Sanchez for the championship.


Yup, an eighteen-year-old dude was allowed to sh*t on a girl's dream of becoming a champion / beat her up in an event sanctioned by the state.

Shout-out to ST resident tranny Reck (:cry 'ST was a progressive place 'til you got here' guy) on this one:

https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTngTp9RkZAbePOo/giphy.gif

[Chris]

Shit would make Andy Kaufman jealous :lol

Frank Dux's kumite has more merit :lol

[xtremesteven33]

Liberals will end up cannabilizing each other. Only the most oppressed and victimized wins.

[Spurtacular]

Liberals will end up cannabilizing each other. Only the most oppressed and victimized wins.

:lol That he cheated his way against the same girl two years in a row, too.
:lol Progressive paradise.

[spurraider21]

You realize the wrestler was born female right?

and has said he would prefer to wrestle boys? But state of texas forced him the wrestle girls.

[Spurtacular]

You realize the wrestler was born female right?

and has said he would prefer to wrestle boys? But state of texas forced him the wrestle girls.

You do realize he's taking testosterone injections, right?

and has not officially put in a request to wrestle boys? But state of Texas allows him to take the unfair advantage.

[spurraider21]

You do realize he's taking testosterone injections, right?

and has not officially put in a request to wrestle boys? But state of Texas allows him to take the unfair advantage.
Of course i realize that. Lol Texas for forcing this dude to wrestle girls

Unless the state of Texas represents progressivism, your OP makes no sense

[Spurtacular]

Of course i realize that. Lol Texas for forcing this dude to wrestle girls

Unless the state of Texas represents progressivism, your OP makes no sense

The state on the whole is obviously not for the cheating. But obviously people in power have officially sanctioned this cheating.

[Chris]

this dude

It's a she actually. How many genders are there?

Texas requires that you wrestle in the same gender as on your birth certificate. The fact that this person is allowed to take steroids because they are transitioning is ridiculous and should be an instant ban from competition. Social justice vs. Logic 101

[spurraider21]

The state on the whole is obviously not for the cheating. But obviously people in power have officially sanctioned this cheating.
And we all know progressives are occupying all positions of power in texas

[Chris]

And we all know progressives are occupying all positions of power in texas

You've never been to Austin.

[spurraider21]

It's a she actually. How many genders are there?

Texas requires that you wrestle in the same gender as on your birth certificate. The fact that this person is allowed to take steroids because they are transitioning is ridiculous and should be an instant ban from competition. Social justice vs. Logic 101
For this kid?

Sex - she
Gender - he

Sex is a physical characteristic. Represented by x/y chromosomes. Gender is a mental makeup, it’s your identity.

thats why you call them trans. The sex and gender are different.

Texas forces you to go with what you were listed at birth

[spurraider21]

You've never been to Austin.
You’re having your cake and eating it too.

The “progressive” agenda would be to allow the kid to act in accordance with their gender.

it would be the conservative agenda to force the kid into a group based on what they’re born with, ie bathroom laws

this case represents a big flaw with the latter

[Chris]

My solution is no competition until they complete their transition. Then they can compete against whatever gender/sex they are assuming afterwards. Steroids have no place in competition under any circumstances.

[koriwhat]

Of course i realize that. Lol Texas for forcing this dude to wrestle girls

Unless the state of Texas represents progressivism, your OP makes no sense

lol at "this dude"

[koriwhat]

You’re having your cake and eating it too.

The “progressive” agenda would be to allow the kid to act in accordance with their gender.

it would be the conservative agenda to force the kid into a group based on what they’re born with, ie bathroom laws

this case represents a big flaw with the latter

the biggest flaw is thinking sex/gender don't go hand in hand. to each their own but you're born a boy, you're a boy, and if you're born a girl, well you're still a girl.

[spurraider21]

the biggest flaw is thinking sex/gender don't go hand in hand. to each their own but you're born a boy, you're a boy, and if you're born a girl, well you're still a girl.
they go hand in hand for like 99+% of the population

keep in mind that gender is a social construct... ie boys like trucks and girls like dolls, etc

[Spurtacular]

It's a she actually. How many genders are there?

Texas requires that you wrestle in the same gender as on your birth certificate. The fact that this person is allowed to take steroids because they are transitioning is ridiculous and should be an instant ban from competition. Social justice vs. Logic 101

IE Progressivism vs. Logic 101

[ElNono]

Texas, smh

[Spurtacular]

they go hand in hand for like 99+% of the population

keep in mind that gender is a social construct... ie boys like trucks and girls like dolls, etc

Moreso, it's a biological construct.

[spurraider21]

Moreso, it's a biological construct.
Sex is certainly a biological construct. It’s represented by your role in reproduction. Gender is social

[Spurtacular]

Sex is certainly a biological construct. It’s represented by your role in reproduction. Gender is social

Boys beat girls in athletics at every school without fail. Your ideal that this is social construct scenario is pie in the sky thinking.

[monosylab1k]

You've never been to Austin.

Austin is ridiculously gerrymandered to give conservatives control.

[pgardn]

Boys beat girls in athletics at every school without fail. Your ideal that this is social construct scenario is pie in the sky thinking.

From a science standpoint it's not that easy. We used to use XX XY testing in the Olympics until we found out that some XY don't turn on that Y and develop like a female and now we know that some XX develop as males and this does not even cover the XXY folks!

And to make this so much worse, for those who like it binary, there is a group of protists that have 13 different mating types with very strange rules concerning which pair can exchange DNA. Just when it looked so easy...The Olympics still uses a "hybrid " method. Does Spurter wanna pay for it? Involves DNA, hormone levels, and physical examination.
Spurter, you take the physical exam part, I wanna no part o dat.

The good ole days when Russian(and East German) men were women is gone, in the Olympics anyways. But Texas... Hell yes.

[AaronY]

Important issues that are relevant to my everyday life!

[pgardn]

Important issues that are relevant to my everyday life!

Oh if your daughter lost a wrassln match to Avante I think you'd think otherwise my mang.

[AaronY]

Oh if your daughter lost a wrassln match to Avante I think you'd think otherwise my mang.
And there is a .0000014% chance of that happening! So I should definitely stay awake nights worrying about it!

[pgardn]

And there is a .0000014% chance of that happening! So I should definitely stay awake nights worrying about it!

Scares the hell out of me at 1.4 X 10^-17 % chance.

Nahh, It's just the thought.
Can you picture it.... Good lord.
Especially if I had a 275lb daughter. (Or whatever Avante's current "fightn" wt. is)
Its ugly.

[AaronY]

Getting struck by lightning is ugly. So is dying in a mudslide. Electrocuting yourself with your toaster is also ugly

[sickdsm]

And there is a .0000014% chance of that happening! So I should definitely stay awake nights worrying about it!

And she would have to listen to him rant on about the greats like Crazy Legs Hirsch the whole match.

[pgardn]

And she would have to listen to him rant on about the greats like Crazy Legs Hirsch the whole match.

Now you throw that in.
Nightmares.

[pgardn]

Getting struck by lightning is ugly. So is dying in a mudslide. Electrocuting yourself with your toaster is also ugly

If you made the toaster the dryer or AC unit it would be the same sort of ugly as the Lightning possibly.
The mudslide would be dirty ugly.
I hope I'm not getting too serious here.

[AaronY]

I kind of can't stand trannies and wish they hadn't taken over the Dem party lately but the whole issue is so overblown. Either by RandomGuy's of the world who want to the Martin Luther King of bearded ladies or conservatives who say liberals care more about trannies than real Americans yet constantly obsess and post over trannies so much you would wanna check their pornhub history to see if they are jerking it to tranny porn

[Spurtacular]

From a science standpoint it's not that easy. We used to use XX XY testing in the Olympics until we found out that some XY don't turn on that Y and develop like a female and now we know that some XX develop as males and this does not even cover the XXY folks!

And to make this so much worse, for those who like it binary, there is a group of protists that have 13 different mating types with very strange rules concerning which pair can exchange DNA. Just when it looked so easy...The Olympics still uses a "hybrid " method. Does Spurter wanna pay for it? Involves DNA, hormone levels, and physical examination.
Spurter, you take the physical exam part, I wanna no part o dat.

The good ole days when Russian(and East German) men were women is gone, in the Olympics anyways. But Texas... Hell yes.

And all of this justifies allowing a girl on testosterone injections to compete against other girls how?

[Spurtacular]

I kind of can't stand trannies and wish they hadn't taken over the Dem party lately but the whole issue is so overblown. Either by RandomGuy's of the world who want to the Martin Luther King of bearded ladies or conservatives who say liberals care more about trannies than real Americans yet constantly obsess and post over trannies so much you would wanna check their pornhub history to see if they are jerking it to tranny porn

Potential rift with Reck. :lol

[pgardn]

I kind of can't stand trannies and wish they hadn't taken over the Dem party lately but the whole issue is so overblown. Either by RandomGuy's of the world who want to the Martin Luther King of bearded ladies or conservatives who say liberals care more about trannies than real Americans yet constantly obsess and post over trannies so much you would wanna check their pornhub history to see if they are jerking it to tranny porn

Admission of shivers for me as well.
Bearded ladies... When I see that late in the day black beard arising with red lipstick, nooooo.

We like our women like the great whales, with hair on their heads and not so large. No fuzzy women. Socialization sucks sometimes.

[Reck]

Does anybody doubt trannycular’s affinity to transsexuals by now or do people need a couple of more tranny threads from him?

:lol 90% of his/her post about wanting to fuck trannies

[pgardn]

And all of this justifies allowing a girl on testosterone injections to compete against other girls how?

What type of girl? An XXY, a purely XX?

And don't be silly, they ain't testing either of these above for testosterone levels at a UIL meet.
Justification... Go read the problems they have had with this at the Olympics. Some totally XX girls without high testosterone have failed tests (yes a tiny penis above the vagina. Biology is not nice and neat. Sorry about that. Like I said, you do the physical buster. I would throw up.

Maybe just sticking to all competitive sports becoming equestrian related (only Olympic sport where individual men compete against individual women)

[Spurtacular]

What type of girl? An XXY, a purely XX?

And don't be silly, they ain't testing either of these above for testosterone levels at a UIL meet.
Justification... Go read the problems they have had with this at the Olympics. Some totally XX girls without high testosterone have failed tests (yes a tiny penis above the vagina. Biology is not nice and neat. Sorry about that. Like I said, you do the physical buster. I would throw up.

Maybe just sticking to all competitive sports becoming equestrian related (only Olympic sport where individual men compete against individual women)

She's a girl on testosterone. Stop trying to talk your way around that reality. You're for the cheating?

[leemajors]

You've never been to Austin.

Euless is way up in North Texas, do you have a point?

[pgardn]

She's a girl on testosterone. Stop trying to talk your way around that reality. You're for the cheating?

Well then she's gonna get away with it at the UIL level. Simple. And YOU typed SHE was a guy?

You related this to your obsession with sex, there is a boy, there is a girl. And I'm telling you it's not that simple anymore. You can hate science all you want, it does not care.

And I'm not talking my way around it. I'm telling YOU the most competitive games in the world have had problems with the sex abnormalities and sex change stuff. So that's why they do chromosome testing, hormone levels and physical exams.

So what is your problem now? Again please? You said a guy won. I'm as confused as the Olympic sex testing committee. Link to your paragraph_________

[pgardn]

So maybe just limit it to people who have a functional uterus as girls.

Young girls and older women (who have had the oven partially removed ie hysterectomy) need not compete

[Blake]

Op triggered

[Spurtacular]

Well then she's gonna get away with it at the UIL level. Simple. And YOU typed SHE was a guy?

You related this to your obsession with sex, there is a boy, there is a girl. And I'm telling you it's not that simple anymore. You can hate science all you want, it does not care.

And I'm not talking my way around it. I'm telling YOU the most competitive games in the world have had problems with the sex abnormalities and sex change stuff. So that's why they do chromosome testing, hormone levels and physical exams.

So what is your problem now? Again please? You said a guy won. I'm as confused as the Olympic sex testing committee. Link to your paragraph_________

She identifies as a dude; and in effect she is one (due to testosterone injections), hence why she won two championships in a row while going undefeated.

I don't hate the science whatsoever. I'm just pointing out the fact that you're trying to use some technical talk on obscure subjects not directly related to this issue to inexplicably make excuses for this. I'm interested in the science you've put forth; but you didn't put forth science applicable to this situation, and I'm not going to pretend that you did to appease you.

It's a simple question that you did not answer: Are you for girls taking testosterone shots and getting an unfair advantage against other girls in competition?

[Spurtacular]

Op triggered

Person making post #43 still a cuck.

[pgardn]

She identifies as a dude; and in effect she is one (due to testosterone injections), hence why she won two championships in a row while going undefeated.

I don't hate the science whatsoever. I'm just pointing out the fact that you're trying to use some technical talk on obscure subjects not directly related to this issue to inexplicably make excuses for this. I'm interested in the science you've put forth; but you didn't put forth science applicable to this situation, and I'm not going to pretend that you did to appease you.

It's a simple question that you did not answer: Are you for girls taking testosterone shots and getting an unfair advantage against other girls in competition?

Absolutely not. But unless the UIL wants to test what are you going to follow?
And why did you say she was a guy? Simple question with a fabrication...fella!
So You are saying a girl with elevated testosterone levels because of injection is a guy? Can she inseminate another female? High testosterone levels in women compared to her normals is a no -no in Olympics AND abnormally all the time is also a problem. So a female who can have kids with consistently high testosterone cannot compete by some Olympic rules. But also is determined as a ratio to estrogen levels. And a woman can pass with an acceptable ratio.

So now you answer my underlined questions SchMarty Pants.

[pgardn]

Men allowed to beat up girls...

Link

[Spurtacular]

Absolutely not. But unless the UIL wants to test what are you going to follow?
And why did you say she was a guy? Simple question with a fabrication...fella!
So You are saying a girl with elevated testosterone levels because of injection is a guy? Can she inseminate another female? High testosterone levels in women compared to her normals is a no -no in Olympics AND abnormally all the time is also a problem. So a female who can have kids with consistently high testosterone cannot compete by some Olympic rules. But also is determined as a ratio to estrogen levels. And a woman can pass with an acceptable ratio.

So now you answer my underlined questions SchMarty Pants.

She identifies as a dude. I said that already. You mad I called her by her preferred gender identity or something?

So, you're not for the cheating except your fine with rules or lack thereof that make the cheating possible? I know you've said yadda yadda about the testing; but why not have a rule in place against testosterone injections in the first place? Due to the lack of rule, she is allowed to cheat with impunity as it stands now.

And you've presented some Olympic testosterone points that are in essence random and do nothing in terms of argumentation, tbh.

[pgardn]

She identifies as a dude. I said that already. You mad I called her by her preferred gender identity or something?

So, you're not for the cheating except your fine with rules or lack thereof that make the cheating possible? I know you've said yadda yadda about the testing; but why not have a rule in place against testosterone injections in the first place? Due to the lack of rule, she is allowed to cheat with impunity as it stands now.

And you've presented some Olympic testosterone points that are in essence random and do nothing in terms of argumentation, tbh.

Hell no.

The rule is there. The UIL is gonna test all these athletes? ( Actually they once had a plan in place for FB too much $) are you gonna pay?

She can identify as anything she wants. The biology is messy. I just went through that. So when she entered the event she wrote down male(because that's what she identifies as?) Because if she wrote down female she is identifying as a female. So your claim is she identifies as what she wants at any particular moment? That's asking to just test her IMO. I think that can be done.

Why have you failed on the link to this?

[Spurtacular]

Hell no.

The rule is there. The UIL is gonna test all these athletes? ( Actually they once had a plan in place for FB too much $) are you gonna pay?

She can identify as anything she wants. The biology is messy. I just went through that. So when she entered the event she wrote down male(because that's what she identifies as?) Because if she wrote down female she is identifying as a female. So your claim is she identifies as what she wants at any particular moment? That's asking to just test her IMO. I think that can be done.

Why have you failed on the link to this?

There is no rule there on testosterone injections.

The biology is not "messy" in this case whatsoever. Citing other abstract scenarios does not make this case "messy". It's a girl getting help from testosterone injections to be in essence a boy. You seem to be for that.

I put a quote. Google the quote if you want the link. I usually put it; but simply forgot in this instance.

[pgardn]

There is no rule there on testosterone injections.

The biology is not "messy" in this case whatsoever. Citing other abstract scenarios does not make this case "messy". It's a girl getting help from testosterone injections to be in essence a boy. You seem to be for that.

I put a quote. Google the quote if you want the link. I usually put it; but simply forgot in this instance.

There most certainly is a rule.

quote from article:

Now it becomes clear. The UIL f' up and you made this into your issue of a boy beating up a girl? So now it's clear. Technicality. Why did you not say girl transitioning to boy not allowed to FIGHT BOYS.

Although born a girl, Beggs has been taking testosterone to transition to a boy. He wanted to compete against boys, but state rules wouldn't allow it.



Dude...

[Spurtacular]

There most certainly is a rule.

quote from article:

Now it becomes clear. The UIL f' up and you made this into your issue of a boy beating up a girl? So now it's clear. Technicality. Why did you not say girl transitioning to boy not allowed to FIGHT BOYS.

Although born a girl, Beggs has been taking testosterone to transition to a boy. He wanted to compete against boys, but state rules wouldn't allow it.



Dude...

So, you're mad that I took some poetic license on the wording in the OP? Fine. Fair point. But it seems we've moved beyond that all the same; and we're clearly talking about is it fair for a girl on testosterone to compete against girls not under that performance enhancing hormone? You've said it is not fair and should not be allowed; so, we agree.

You can "dude" all you want. The line after that states that Beggs or the school made no petition to compete with the boys. And as it stands, the district and state are aware of the issue regardless of this and are allowing her to benefit from the unfair advantage. You made a point about testing; well, by that logic you wouldn't have a beef with someone using steroids because they're not testing.

[Pavlov]

Spurtacular lost the second he posted this thread.

[Chucho]

So, you're mad that I took some poetic license on the wording in the OP?

Do you ever admit when you're wrong? Specifically when you're THIS wrong?

[Blake]

Do you ever admit when you're wrong? Specifically when you're THIS wrong?

I honestly think he's too unintelligent to realize it. Seriously.

[Chucho]

I honestly think he's too unintelligent to realize it. Seriously.

The worst thing is how he groups his, um, "enemies" the way Fabbs does in fictonal factions. "Chumpettes"
is his version of "Laundry Krew". It's retarded.

[spurraider21]

this thread (like every other post OP makes) is a disaster tbh :lol... makes the exact opposite point he wanted to make. if the progressive agenda had its way, this kid would be wrestling boys instead of being "allowed to beat up girls"

[pgardn]

So, you're mad that I took some poetic license on the wording in the OP? Fine. Fair point. But it seems we've moved beyond that all the same; and we're clearly talking about is it fair for a girl on testosterone to compete against girls not under that performance enhancing hormone? You've said it is not fair and should not be allowed; so, we agree.

You can "dude" all you want. The line after that states that Beggs or the school made no petition to compete with the boys. And as it stands, the district and state are aware of the issue regardless of this and are allowing her to benefit from the unfair advantage. You made a point about testing; well, by that logic you wouldn't have a beef with someone using steroids because they're not testing.

The UIL can't prohibit her. The rules don't cover this and a little 110 lb girl lost the state title to hormone girl.
So all the work she put in has you upset. Let em look it over and decide how to deal with it meanwhile, you supply the funds as wrestling is a major sport in Texas? Or not.

[Spurtacular]

The UIL can't prohibit her. The rules don't cover this and a little 110 lb girl lost the state title to hormone girl.
So all the work she put in has you upset. Let em look it over and decide how to deal with it meanwhile, you supply the funds as wrestling is a major sport in Texas? Or not.

What rules? You act like sh** is written in stone.

[Pavlov]

What rules? You act like sh** is written in stone.So you want the Texas state UIL rules changed so a person transitioning to a certain gender can compete with other of that gender.

Pretty progressive of you tbh. :tu

[Spurtacular]

So you want the Texas state UIL rules changed so a person transitioning to a certain gender can compete with other of that gender.

Pretty progressive of you tbh. :tu

What do you want? Let's see how progressive you are.

[Pavlov]

What do you want? Let's see how progressive you are.That would probably work in this case since the person wants to move up to a higher level of competition. Would be more problematic for male to female transitions. I can see why the UIL isn't doing anything in knee-jerk message board fashion, but you do you.

[Spurtacular]

That would probably work in this case since the person wants to move up to a higher level of competition. Would be more problematic for male to female transitions. I can see why the UIL isn't doing anything in knee-jerk message board fashion, but you do you.

Okay. So, you're for girls competing with the boys. That's not earth shattering. Where do you stand on girls getting advantages in the girls bracket from testosterone injections?

[Pavlov]

Okay. So, you're for girls competing with the boys. That's not earth shattering. Where do you stand on girls getting advantages in the girls bracket from testosterone injections?Girls who take testosterone merely for the advantage?

That's already illegal.

Pretty simple.

[Spurtacular]

Girls who take testosterone merely for the advantage?

That's already illegal.

Pretty simple.

:lol "merely"

[Blake]

Damn you're stupid.

[pgardn]

What rules? You act like sh** is written in stone.

You are the one that is disgusted with Men beating up women.

You tell me what rule changes YOU would have made. Taking testosterone or any other steroid is illegal for enhancing athletic performance. But the UIL /State does not pay for testing of HS athletes.

Your turn...

[Pavlov]

:lol "merely"What part did you not understand?

[koriwhat]

From a science standpoint it's not that easy. We used to use XX XY testing in the Olympics until we found out that some XY don't turn on that Y and develop like a female and now we know that some XX develop as males and this does not even cover the XXY folks!

And to make this so much worse, for those who like it binary, there is a group of protists that have 13 different mating types with very strange rules concerning which pair can exchange DNA. Just when it looked so easy...The Olympics still uses a "hybrid " method. Does Spurter wanna pay for it? Involves DNA, hormone levels, and physical examination.
Spurter, you take the physical exam part, I wanna no part o dat.

The good ole days when Russian(and East German) men were women is gone, in the Olympics anyways. But Texas... Hell yes.

born with a vagina, female... born with a penis, male... there, done deal. no need for this bs binary make believe world.

[spurraider21]

born with a vagina, female... born with a penis, male... there, done deal. no need for this bs binary make believe world.
that would be referring to sex

sex and gender aren't the same concept. dont take my word for it. look up sex and gender in the dictionary

[koriwhat]

that would be referring to sex

sex and gender aren't the same concept. dont take my word for it. look up sex and gender in the dictionary

lmao whatever... live in make believe world if you'd like.

[spurraider21]

lmao whatever... live in make believe world if you'd like.
so the issue is that you want sex and gender to mean the same thing?

[Blake]

Poor Kw's world is all black and white. No in between.

[koriwhat]

so the issue is that you want sex and gender to mean the same thing?

no the issue is the fact that you dismiss inherit traits per "sex" and chalk it up to society oppressing the sexes with their blue & pink onesies, trucks & barbie's.

[koriwhat]

Poor Kw's world is all black and white. No in between.

go cry me a river on your tear soaked couch cuck.

[Blake]

go cry me a river on your tear soaked couch cuck.

You're the one crying the river, huck

[koriwhat]

You're the one crying the river, huck

if you weren't an asshole i would go back to not calling you a cuck but fuck you blake. be a dick and get treated as such.

[Blake]

if you weren't an asshole i would go back to not calling you a cuck but fuck you blake. be a dick and get treated as such.

The river current getting stronger

[koriwhat]

The river current getting stronger

not when it's soaked up in them couch cushions.

[spurraider21]

no the issue is the fact that you dismiss inherit traits per "sex" and chalk it up to society oppressing the sexes with their blue & pink onesies, trucks & barbie's.
no, i dont dismiss inherit traits. i've addressed them directly


For this kid?

Sex - she
Gender - he

Sex is a physical characteristic. Represented by x/y chromosomes. Gender is a mental makeup, it’s your identity.

thats why you call them trans. The sex and gender are different.

Texas forces you to go with what you were listed at birth


Sex is certainly a biological construct. It’s represented by your role in reproduction. Gender is social

[Spurtacular]

You are the one that is disgusted with Men beating up women.

You tell me what rule changes YOU would have made. Taking testosterone or any other steroid is illegal for enhancing athletic performance. But the UIL /State does not pay for testing of HS athletes.

Your turn...

How were you expecting me to rebut this? You're saying some matter of fact stuff.

[pgardn]

born with a vagina, female... born with a penis, male... there, done deal. no need for this bs binary make believe world.

Born with both?

And a binary make believe world is kinda what you described sir.
So... Yeah...

[pgardn]

How were you expecting me to rebut this? You're saying some matter of fact stuff.

You use poetic license to misrepresent an article and then....

Looksy, I had already thought about this sort of thing happening with advances in bio technology and the difference between sex and gender identity. This is not new. What is new; people not being afraid to express this and then actually carry this change through surgically, chemically etc... Because I know science and molecular biology and the tenuous line in development between male and female, I was waiting for this to seep into sports. The Olympic committee is indeed confused as well for the sake of competition, not some grand Biblical statement. I already had seen the problem just like many others interested in sports ( they talked about it on TV if you saw the S. African woman run who looked totally like a male. I think she got a gold in the 400 or 800m dash) They had articles on blurred lines.

But you decided to make it a female turned male beats up a female. So now you pretend you are the head of the UIL. Make the rules so we can all read them. Keep in mind there have been a few girls play football. I did not expect this to become common place in sports (see male turned female in tennis way back, not new). But if it did occur, I could see this would be difficult in sports. So you tell us. Go. You misrepresented a difficult SPORTS topic. So your ruling Mr. Magistrate knowing the $ is not there for the UIL in Texas. Maybe you can present another article concerning the discussion within the UIL about this particular case. Anything about sex, fairness, remaining consistent ... What do you have?

[koriwhat]

Born with both?

And a binary make believe world is kinda what you described sir.
So... Yeah...

Deformity that's what that is.

[spurraider21]

born with a vagina, female... born with a penis, male... there, done deal.
that's a binary world


no need for this bs binary make believe world.
lol

[Spurtacular]

You use poetic license to misrepresent an article and then....

Looksy, I had already thought about this sort of thing happening with advances in bio technology and the difference between sex and gender identity. This is not new. What is new; people not being afraid to express this and then actually carry this change through surgically, chemically etc... Because I know science and molecular biology and the tenuous line in development between male and female, I was waiting for this to seep into sports. The Olympic committee is indeed confused as well for the sake of competition, not some grand Biblical statement. I already had seen the problem just like many others interested in sports ( they talked about it on TV if you saw the S. African woman run who looked totally like a male. I think she got a gold in the 400 or 800m dash) They had articles on blurred lines.

But you decided to make it a female turned male beats up a female. So now you pretend you are the head of the UIL. Make the rules so we can all read them. Keep in mind there have been a few girls play football. I did not expect this to become common place in sports (see male turned female in tennis way back, not new). But if it did occur, I could see this would be difficult in sports. So you tell us. Go. You misrepresented a difficult SPORTS topic. So your ruling Mr. Magistrate knowing the $ is not there for the UIL in Texas. Maybe you can present another article concerning the discussion within the UIL about this particular case. Anything about sex, fairness, remaining consistent ... What do you have?

The Olympic committee is not "confused" for competition. Nor does this come down to Biblical defiance. You really think this comes down through that specter? Man, liberals are that fucked up and arrogant that they think everything is clearly an affront to their immaculate way of seeing things. This is simple fairness and kindness at play. Nature created natural competitive distinctions, not conservatives.

Based on what I've said, why would girls playing football with the boys bother me?

And I don't pretend I'm the head of the UIL. And in fact, I never imagined this coming down to but one coward but rather a cast of cowards in the first place.

Why do you keep harping on "misrepresentation" when I said that discussion parameters have shifted? What the fuck do you want me to do about it? Are you just lashing out, or is there any purpose that meandering argumentation?

My "ruling" is what it has been; it's innately unfair to allow artificial enhancements such as hormone injections to be tolerated in the girls ranks of competition. You know this; but as you've shown you're willing to screw the many in favor of the ultra few for the sake of your politics.

[Blake]

Spurt still trying to salvage this wreck

[Spurtacular]

I'm still cucking.

[pgardn]

The Olympic committee is not "confused" for competition. Nor does this come down to Biblical defiance. You really think this comes down through that specter? Man, liberals are that fucked up and arrogant that they think everything is clearly an affront to their immaculate way of seeing things. This is simple fairness and kindness at play. Nature created natural competitive distinctions, not conservatives.

Based on what I've said, why would girls playing football with the boys bother me?

And I don't pretend I'm the head of the UIL. And in fact, I never imagined this coming down to but one coward but rather a cast of cowards in the first place.

Why do you keep harping on "misrepresentation" when I said that discussion parameters have shifted? What the fuck do you want me to do about it? Are you just lashing out, or is there any purpose that meandering argumentation?

My "ruling" is what it has been; it's innately unfair to allow artificial enhancements such as hormone injections to be tolerated in the girls ranks of competition. You know this; but as you've shown you're willing to screw the many in favor of the ultra few for the sake of your politics.

I agree it's unfair.

Your "poetic license" of "man beats up girl" is flat out disingenuous.
And this is really kind of me to state your thread title this way.

You conservatives have no shame.
You pretend the State of Texas was licking their chops waiting for something like this to happen?
Really?
STATE SPONSORED TOO! Yes! We got a chance to show how liberal we are!

Laughable clown you are sir...

Please stop.
For yourself.

[Spurtacular]

I agree it's unfair.

Your "poetic license" of "man beats up girl" is flat out disingenuous.
And this is really kind of me to state your thread title this way.

You conservatives have no shame.
You pretend the State of Texas was licking their chops waiting for something like this to happen?
Really?
STATE SPONSORED TOO! Yes! We got a chance to show how liberal we are!

Laughable clown you are sir...

It's not unfair. This person has taken hormones to be a "man". And it's effectively working as exemplified by her utter dominance in wrestling; and if that's not good enough for you, then by her facial hair. What's unfair is people like you pretending that this is not the cold hard reality.

Of course it's state sponsored and state validated for that matter. It's public schools, bro.

[pgardn]

It's not unfair. This person has taken hormones to be a "man". And it's effectively working as exemplified by her utter dominance in wrestling; and if that's not good enough for you, then by her facial hair. What's unfair is people like you pretending that this is not the cold hard reality.

Of course it's state sponsored and state validated for that matter. It's public schools, bro.

Your thread title is irretrievably awful.
And your ommision of the fact that she/he wanted to wrestle in the boys division, scandalous.
I slap your face with a white glove.

And now linking the Texas UIL with our ultra liberal public school system... Damn coaches makn rules...
I guess saying the Texas pledge along with the US pledge was the last straw.

You really are hardcore nutty.
Buddy.

[Spurtacular]

Your thread title is irretrievably awful.
And your ommision of the fact that she/he wanted to wrestle in the boys division, scandalous.
I slap your face with a white glove.

And now linking the Texas UIL with our ultra liberal public school system... Damn coaches makn rules...
I guess saying the Texas pledge along with the US pledge was the last straw.

You really are hardcore nutty.
Buddy.

You're even calling her a him. You want your cake and to eat it, too.

WTF? Coaches making rules? This is what the people want. Maybe you should actually tap into reality and stop being an uber liberal tard.

[Chris]

I slap your face with a white glove.

We all know you're a beta. :lol You wouldn't have the spine to slap anything but your meat you Nancy.

[pgardn]

We all know you're a beta. :lol You wouldn't have the spine to slap anything but your meat you Nancy.

Damn you.
I shall never be the same after your surprise assault.
Chris the Christian doing what pleases Christ.

For you, no white glove.
I would prefer to ram my hand down your throat into your viscera and pull out your entire skeleton.

[pgardn]

You're even calling her a him. You want your cake and to eat it, too.

WTF? Coaches making rules? This is what the people want. Maybe you should actually tap into reality and stop being an uber liberal tard.

She wants to be he, wtf do I care.
What do the people want? Ya conservative ball of stupid.

Into the jousting phase...

[Chris]

She wants to be he, wtf do I care.
What do the people want? Ya conservative ball of stupid.

Into the jousting phase...

Already posted on 1st page. No replies.


My solution is no competition until they complete their transition. Then they can compete against whatever gender/sex they are assuming afterwards. Steroids have no place in competition under any circumstances.

[pgardn]

Chris.

How do you know when the transition is complete?
And I don't wanna no part of that physical either.
Do they get a doctors note like for an absence?

[Spurtacular]

She wants to be he, wtf do I care.
What do the people want? Ya conservative ball of stupid.

Into the jousting phase...

Am I arguing her right to be a "boy"? On the contrary, I'm saying if she's going to take the steps to be a boy, she shouldn't unduly retain her girl privilege at the expense of girls who aren't effectively cheating.

[pgardn]

Am I arguing her right to be a "boy"? On the contrary, I'm saying if she's going to take the steps to be a boy, she shouldn't unduly retain her girl privilege at the expense of girls who aren't effectively cheating.

Privilege...

She wanted to rassle the boys.
Why do you keep leaving this out?

[pgardn]

Am I arguing her right to be a "boy"? On the contrary, I'm saying if she's going to take the steps to be a boy, she shouldn't unduly retain her girl privilege at the expense of girls who aren't effectively cheating.

Who said you were arguing her right?
I just simply said, I don't care.

[Spurtacular]

Privilege...

She wanted to rassle the boys.
Why do you keep leaving this out?

Why do you continue to hype this you mean?

She made no petition to wrestle the boys. She'd rather cheat her way to championships and scholarships while tarts like you validate her.

[pgardn]

Why do you continue to hype this you mean?

She made no petition to wrestle the boys. She'd rather cheat her way to championships and scholarships while tarts like you validate her.

scholarships?

link?

So you tell me how one signs up for wrestling in the State of Texas, and how it was determined she must wrestle as a girl when apparently she signed up as a male? Did she advance as a female and then somewhere down the line change herself to the male division or what? Apparently she had already won the damn thing before.

I will read in the morning ya crazy galoot.
Now get thee to bed.

[Chris]

Chris.

How do you know when the transition is complete?

I'm guessing it's either up to the transitioner (tranny) or the doctors.


And I don't wanna no part of that physical either.

According to some that would make you transphobic. You would have no chance after saying something like this to a Liberal.


Do they get a doctors note like for an absence?

You still haven't addressed the heart of my argument. Steroids. What's your opinion on that since we're being 'cordial' this evening.

[Spurtacular]

scholarships?

link?


WTF you talking about; link? You think a back to back champion ain't going to get her choice of school for a free ride? Give me a fucking break; don't be daft.

[Spurtacular]

So you tell me how one signs up for wrestling in the State of Texas, and how it was determined she must wrestle as a girl when apparently she signed up as a male?

She didn't sign-up as a male (which I've explained thrice now). You should go back and reread the article.

[pgardn]

She didn't sign-up as a male (which I've explained thrice now). You should go back and reread the article.

The UIL would not let her in the Men's division.
How would you describe this?

There you go again with the attempts to distort.
So Trumpian of you...

Nah. Not gonna reread, you have no bored me to death with your sorry halfwitted little games.
When you score this one it's a GIANT L.

[pgardn]

WTF you talking about; link? You think a back to back champion ain't going to get her choice of school for a free ride? Give me a fucking break; don't be daft.

No I don't think she is gonna get a free ride,
absolutely not. Wrestling is a much much bigger sport outside of Texas. More competitive.
And Especially since she will be he. No athletic scholarship IMO.

What schools have offered her an athletic scholarship in wrestling?
Please list them for the board you Trumpian liar.


You just make shit up.

[pgardn]

I'm guessing it's either up to the transitioner (tranny) or the doctors.



According to some that would make you transphobic. You would have no chance after saying something like this to a Liberal.



You still haven't addressed the heart of my argument. Steroids. What's your opinion on that since we're being 'cordial' this evening.

So yep by your definition I would not want to see and would be transphobic. Not hating phobic, it just gives me the willies from a medical standpoint. I too was socialized and see man, women separate physically. So when a woman gets a beard and a man wants his Jonson removed and ya start throwing in chemicals, it's not for me and my stomach.

Truth.
Which you and Spurter should try sometime.

Oh. Steroids can be very useful medically. For many, many things. To be used knowingly to gain advantage simply for an athletic competition, no.

[Blake]

You still haven't addressed the heart of my argument. Steroids. What's your opinion on that since we're being 'cordial' this evening.

Look at Chris claiming someone hasn't addressed his argument.

That's rich

[Blake]

Am I arguing her right to be a "boy"? On the contrary, I'm saying if she's going to take the steps to be a boy, she shouldn't unduly retain her girl privilege at the expense of girls who aren't effectively cheating.

Then let her wrestle the boys.

This is why this thread and you are hilariously stupid.

[koriwhat]

that's a binary world


lol

let's just call it the world we live in... wtf even came up with these dumbass "genders" nowadays? tell me the last time you heard "binary gender" pre 2015. fuck the rejects ruining this society with their stupid fucking made up terms.

are you a programmer? then stfu about binary anything.

[koriwhat]

Then let her wrestle the boys.

This is why this thread and you are hilariously stupid.

how about, let her wrestle other trannys. that'll solve all this bs.

btw blake, aren't you being insensitive not to call her by her pronoun she wants to be referred by? oh what a bad lefty loon you are.

[spurraider21]

let's just call it the world we live in... wtf even came up with these dumbass "genders" nowadays? tell me the last time you heard "binary gender" pre 2015. fuck the rejects ruining this society with their stupid fucking made up terms.

are you a programmer? then stfu about binary anything.
i took psychology back in high school around 2006 and we learned how sex and gender are distinguished.

binary means more than 0's and 1's in programming.

you're just upset because you have to learn new things

[koriwhat]

i took psychology back in high school around 2006 and we learned how sex and gender are distinguished.

binary means more than 0's and 1's in programming.

you're just upset because you have to learn new things

new things? new make believe bs is what it all is. play your little games in your make believe world but i don't have to subscribe to your insanity.

[spurraider21]

new things? new make believe bs is what it all is. play your little games in your make believe world but i don't have to subscribe to your insanity.
i mean, they shouldn't be "new things."

the distinction between sex and gender has been there for a long, long time. you spent classtime daydreaming about all the great weed you're gonna smoke once the bell rings

read up on this when you have a few minutes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)

[koriwhat]

i mean, they shouldn't be "new things."

the distinction between sex and gender has been there for a long, long time. you spent classtime daydreaming about all the great weed you're gonna smoke once the bell rings

read up on this when you have a few minutes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)

you know me so well huh?... and fuck your lame ass link.

[spurraider21]

you know me so well huh?... and fuck your lame ass link.
you're immune to learning

[koriwhat]

you're immune to learning

nah just don't give a fuck about reading that bs in the first place.

[spurraider21]

nah just don't give a fuck about reading that bs in the first place.
yeah! that thing with new information. fuck that!

[Blake]

let's just call it the world we live in... wtf even came up with these dumbass "genders" nowadays? tell me the last time you heard "binary gender" pre 2015. fuck the rejects ruining this society with their stupid fucking made up terms.

are you a programmer? then stfu about binary anything.

The binary black and white world that poor kw lives in.

[Blake]

nah just don't give a fuck about reading that bs in the first place.

Poor kw is too lazy and too apathetic to step out of his binary world.

[koriwhat]

yeah! that thing with new information. fuck that!

lol new info... a bunch of indian dudes thinking they're women. so profound! once again, sugar coat it all you'd like but it's just a bunch of confused people. not a new "sex" at all just confusion.

idgaf is someone wants to "transition" but like i said before, i don't have to subscribe to their insanity. not going to treat said person any different though just because they chose their path. more power to them.

[koriwhat]

Poor kw is too lazy and too apathetic to step out of his binary world.

you're right... i don't care. i have a dick and i'm a dude. i know where i stand. i feel sorry for those who don't but i don't think less of any one of them.

[Blake]

how about, let her wrestle other trannys. that'll solve all this bs.

btw blake, aren't you being insensitive not to call her by her pronoun she wants to be referred by? oh what a bad lefty loon you are.

Oh kw likes segregation.

Is he here? If it was offensive I'll apologize and call him a him.

[spurraider21]

lol new info... a bunch of indian dudes thinking they're women. so profound! once again, sugar coat it all you'd like but it's just a bunch of confused people. not a new "sex" at all just confusion.

idgaf is someone wants to "transition" but like i said before, i don't have to subscribe to their insanity. not going to treat said person any different though just because they chose their path. more power to them.
the point is that transgender isn't some new liberal/progressive phenomenon. its been around for hundreds if not thousands of years across different cultures

[Blake]

you're right... i don't care. i have a dick and i'm a dude. i know where i stand. i feel sorry for those who don't but i don't think less of any one of them.

Of course you think less of them. That's why you're wanting to put them in their own category

[koriwhat]

Oh kw likes segregation.

Is he here? If it was offensive I'll apologize and call him a him.

so you want a girl competing with boys? a girl competing unfairly vs other girls? which is it?

[koriwhat]

Of course you think less of them. That's why you're wanting to put them in their own category

they put themselves in their own category. lmao!

[Spurtacular]

The UIL would not let her in the Men's division.
How would you describe this?

There you go again with the attempts to distort.
So Trumpian of you...

Nah. Not gonna reread, you have no bored me to death with your sorry halfwitted little games.
When you score this one it's a GIANT L.

It's high school, so it's the boy's division, not men's division. Are you seriously challenging the fact that she never petitioned to be in the boy's division? Let's be clear about this.

[Blake]

so you want a girl competing with boys? a girl competing unfairly vs other girls? which is it?

If he's not a girl any more, then compete with the boys. This isn't as complicated as you morons are trying to make it

And at the end of the day, this is just high school sports.

[koriwhat]

the point is that transgender isn't some new liberal/progressive phenomenon. its been around for hundreds if not thousands of years across different cultures

yeah, i get that. we've had unstable people since the beginning and more so today. you're not teaching me anything new.

[Spurtacular]

No I don't think she is gonna get a free ride,
absolutely not. Wrestling is a much much bigger sport outside of Texas. More competitive.
And Especially since she will be he. No athletic scholarship IMO.

What schools have offered her an athletic scholarship in wrestling?
Please list them for the board you Trumpian liar.


You just make shit up.

She'd be wrestling in the girl's division in college too, dude. And yes, she'll have a free ride awaiting her. What do you think about that?

[Blake]

they put themselves in their own category. lmao!

Poor kw

[koriwhat]

If he's not a girl any more, then compete with the boys. This isn't as complicated as you morons are trying to make it

And at the end of the day, this is just high school sports.

if "he's" not a "girl" any more....

yeah and i am the insane one, right?

[Blake]

She'd be wrestling in the girl's division in college too, dude. And yes, she'll have a free ride awaiting her. What do you think about that?

If a college is willing to give her a scholarship what do you care

[Blake]

if "he's" not a "girl" any more....

yeah and i am the insane one, right?

You're lazy and unintelligent

[Spurtacular]

Then let her wrestle the boys.

This is why this thread and you are hilariously stupid.

When have I ever argued that she shouldn't wrestle the boys?

Try to keep up, cuck.

[koriwhat]

You're lazy and unintelligent

and you bent over a long time ago for that progressive dick right up your ass.

[Chris]

and you bent over a long time ago for that progressive dick right up your ass.

He's ready to bend over for Islam too. :lol

[koriwhat]

He's ready to bend over for Islam too. :lol

i'm sure he bent over a long time ago for that tbh

[Blake]

When have I ever argued that she shouldn't wrestle the boys?

Try to keep up, cuck.

Oh so you're progressive then.

[Blake]

He's ready to bend over for Islam too. :lol

Point to the area of the doll where Islam tried to touch you

[Spurtacular]

Oh so you're progressive then.

I'm a person that deals in logic. Only an idiot thinks someone getting a supreme advantage from artificial substances (that would not be taken by the vast majority) would argue that it should be allowed by the rules.

[pgardn]

It's high school, so it's the boy's division, not men's division. Are you seriously challenging the fact that she never petitioned to be in the boy's division? Let's be clear about this.

Dont feign outrage you disingenuous wack job.

Did she attempt to enter the boys division? Yes
Was she turned down by the UIL? Yes.


"You see in article 3 bV of the competitors right to petition..."

BS

And you and I both know it.
Give yourself an L and a grade of F.

Well, you took a little poetic license to misrepresent your entire thread title.
"you see pgardn, I am a student of logic..."
You have absolutely no shame.

[Spurtacular]

Dont feign outrage you disingenuous wack job.

Did she attempt to enter the boys division? Yes
Was she turned down by the UIL? Yes.


"You see in article 3 bV of the competitors right to petition..."

BS

And you and I both know it.
Give yourself an L and a grade of F.

Well, you took a little poetic license to misrepresent your entire thread title.
"you see pgardn, I am a student of logic..."
You have absolutely no shame.

Congrats on your fail I guess.


Though the UIL has said publicly that it has never received an official request from Beggs or his school asking to wrestle boys.

[pgardn]

There most certainly is a rule.

quote from article:

Now it becomes clear. The UIL f' up and you made this into your issue of a boy beating up a girl? So now it's clear. Technicality. Why did you not say girl transitioning to boy not allowed to FIGHT BOYS.

Although born a girl, Beggs has been taking testosterone to transition to a boy. He wanted to compete against boys, but state rules wouldn't allow it.



Dude...

AGAIN...

[koriwhat]

again... girl transitioning to a boy. lmao! i want to transition into a car. is that possible? yeah make believe world!

[spurraider21]

again... girl transitioning to a boy. lmao! i want to transition into a car. is that possible? yeah make believe world!
yeah and gay marriage is going to lead to bestiality!

[pgardn]

again... girl transitioning to a boy. lmao! i want to transition into a car. is that possible? yeah make believe world!

What did you call a person who has both sex organs?

[koriwhat]

yeah and gay marriage is going to lead to bestiality!

how does that even make sense? if anything gay marriage leads to some dude sticking his dick in another dude and hopefully not down the path of bestiality.

2 totally different issues... gay dudes or women aren't trying to be the opposite "sex/gender". they aren't pretending they're something they aren't biologically.

[koriwhat]

What did you call a person who has both sex organs?

deformed/mutated.

[pgardn]

deformed.

and so that's the third category?

[spurraider21]

again... girl transitioning to a boy. lmao! i want to transition into a car. is that possible? yeah make believe world!


yeah and gay marriage is going to lead to bestiality!


how does that even make sense? if anything gay marriage leads to some dude sticking his dick in another dude and hopefully not down the path of bestiality.

2 totally different issues... gay dudes or women aren't trying to be the opposite "sex/gender". they aren't pretending they're something they aren't biologically.
2 different issues. same faulty line of reasoning.

[Chris]

how does that even make sense? if anything gay marriage leads to some dude sticking his dick in another dude and hopefully not down the path of bestiality.

2 totally different issues... gay dudes or women aren't trying to be the opposite "sex/gender". they aren't pretending they're something they aren't biologically.

21 always like to conflate stuff for a cheap joke.

[koriwhat]

and so that's the third category?

there is no third category. the % is so small it's not the norm. it's a glitch in the matrix.

[pgardn]

21 always like to conflate stuff for a cheap joke.

What he is saying is perfectly understandable to me.

Even though I don't personally live it or even have the slightest urge to be anything other than male.

[pgardn]

there is no third category. the % is so small it's not the norm. it's a glitch in the matrix.

What if the person can bear children, but can't inseminate anyone else?

[koriwhat]

2 different issues. same faulty line of reasoning.

not at all.

you are now claiming that gay marriage leads to bestiality.

i claimed there's a bunch of people living in a make believe world and no matter how hard they try they are biologically still who they were/are. it's cool if they want to live their life as whatever but i don't subscribe to their insanity.

[koriwhat]

What if the person can bear children, but can't inseminate anyone else?

what if's never got us anywhere

[spurraider21]

not at all.

you are now claiming that gay marriage leads to bestiality.

i claimed there's a bunch of people living in a make believe world and no matter how hard they try they are biologically still who they were/are. it's cool if they want to live their life as whatever but i don't subscribe to their insanity.
im not making that claim. im just comparing your crappy argument, a slippery slope fallacy, to another.

"lol gender transitions, what if i want to transition to a car?"

"lol gay marriage, what if i want to marry my car?"

[koriwhat]

im not making that claim. im just comparing your crappy argument, a slippery slope fallacy, to another.

"lol gender transitions, what if i want to transition to a car?"

"lol gay marriage, what if i want to marry my car?"

no i'm making the case that getting married, gay or not, doesn't lead to bestiality. show some stats...

the other case i am making is the fact that transsexuals have some complex where they don't feel like their true selves and thus want to "transition". at the end of the day though, they might have gotten a hair cut, some hormone shots, etc but that don't mean they're now all of a sudden the other sex/gender. that'll never be the case. if it helps their complex though more power to them. they can fool themselves all they'd like but it still isn't reality. sad but biology is biology at the end of the day.

[pgardn]

what if's never got us anywhere

Ok.

It has happened and continues to happen.
There is no what if.

[pgardn]

what if's never got us anywhere

What ifs got us to understand a whole lot.
Have you heard of Einstein?

[spurraider21]

no i'm making the case that getting married, gay or not, doesn't lead to bestiality. show some stats...

the other case i am making is the fact that transsexuals have some complex where they don't feel like their true selves and thus want to "transition". at the end of the day though, they might have gotten a hair cut, some hormone shots, etc but that don't mean they're now all of a sudden the other sex/gender. that'll never be the case. if it helps their complex though more power to them. they can fool themselves all they'd like but it still isn't reality. sad but biology is biology at the end of the day.
show me stats of people wanting to transition into cars

and again, you routinely conflate gender and sex. i get that you dont like that they're different things. but they are.

[pgardn]

show me stats of people wanting to transition into cars

Im visualizing the process, it's not pretty.

But it is funny.

[koriwhat]

What ifs got us to understand a whole lot.
Have you heard of Einstein?

lmao you acting like there's all these einstein's walking amongst us.

[koriwhat]

show me stats of people wanting to transition into cars

and again, you routinely conflate gender and sex. i get that you dont like that they're different things. but they are.

sex... vagina & penis.
gender... male & female.

vagina = female
penis = male

female > male.... no penis != male.
male > female... no uterus != female.

now tell me how men can get breast implants, tell me about all the progressive steps the medical field has taken, etc... and then tell me again what each of these cases were born as and there's your answer.

[pgardn]

lmao you acting like there's all these einstein's walking amongst us.

What?

Im basically saying theoretical physicists with a model of the way the physical world works test their models with what ifs. Then try to put it to math. What ifs are very good ways of testing any model you and I have.


Acting like what?

Do you have an idea or a model of a hot object compared to that same object at room temperature? Do you have anything that explains the difference? Do you have a model of wind? Why do trees sway, leaves move dust move etc.. What do you imagine? I can't see wind personally, so go... What model?

[koriwhat]

What?

Im basically saying theoretical physicists with a model of the way the physical world works test their models with what ifs. Then try to put it to math. What ifs are very good ways of testing any model you and I have.


Acting like what?

Do you have an idea or a model of a hot object compared to that same object at room temperature? Do you have anything that explains the difference? Do you have a model of wind? Why do trees sway, leaves move dust move etc.. What do you imagine? I can't see wind personally, so go... What model?

no, i totally get what you're saying pg but we aren't dealing with einstein's and the like.

[DMC]

For this kid?

Sex - she
Gender - he

Sex is a physical characteristic. Represented by x/y chromosomes. Gender is a mental makeup, it’s your identity.

thats why you call them trans. The sex and gender are different.

Texas forces you to go with what you were listed at birth

:lol no

Gender = sex

Gender role = "sex I wish I was"

Fucking MMORPGs have created a generation of confused folks.

[DMC]

What?

Im basically saying theoretical physicists with a model of the way the physical world works test their models with what ifs. Then try to put it to math. What ifs are very good ways of testing any model you and I have.


Acting like what?

Do you have an idea or a model of a hot object compared to that same object at room temperature? Do you have anything that explains the difference? Do you have a model of wind? Why do trees sway, leaves move dust move etc.. What do you imagine? I can't see wind personally, so go... What model?

Fortunately vision is only one of the many senses. Wind can be measured with instrumentation. It's not imaginary.

[DMC]

What did you call a person who has both sex organs?

Reck

[pgardn]

Fortunately vision is only one of the many senses. Wind can be measured with instrumentation. It's not imaginary.

You still have to have a model.

My wet finger tip used as a probe does not "see" ~79% N2 20% O2 moving and hitting itself and other things.
And we turn almost everything visual. How does the information from the instrument display itself, in Braille?

[pgardn]

no, i totally get what you're saying pg but we aren't dealing with einstein's and the like.


You still have models and you do test them.
Congrats on being human like the rest of us, we do this even if not entirely consciously all the time.

[spurraider21]

:lol no

Gender = sex
:lol no

you dont know the difference between gender and sex. join koriwhat

[DMC]

You still have to have a model.

My wet finger tip used as a probe does not "see" ~79% N2 20% O2 moving and hitting itself and other things.
And we turn almost everything visual. How does the information from the instrument display itself, in Braille?

Wind can be directly experienced. You don't need to model it. An instrument isn't a model, it's a measuring device.

[spurraider21]

sex... vagina & penis.
gender... male & female.

vagina = female
penis = male

female > male.... no penis != male.
male > female... no uterus != female.

now tell me how men can get breast implants, tell me about all the progressive steps the medical field has taken, etc... and then tell me again what each of these cases were born as and there's your answer.
vagina isn't a sex. penis isn't a sex. those are sex organs.

the male sex is a different thing than the male gender. the female sex is a different thing than the female gender

[DMC]

:lol no

you dont know the difference between gender and sex. join koriwhat

Definition of gender
1 a : a subclass within a grammatical class (such as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (such as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical forms
b : membership of a word or a grammatical form in such a subclass
c : an inflectional form (see inflection 3a) showing membership in such a subclass
2 a : sex the feminine gender
b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex

Your generation didn't invent the word just like they didn't invent the rainbow.

[spurraider21]

Definition of gender
1 a : a subclass within a grammatical class (such as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (such as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical forms
b : membership of a word or a grammatical form in such a subclass
c : an inflectional form (see inflection 3a) showing membership in such a subclass
2 a : sex the feminine gender
b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex

Your generation didn't invent the word just like they didn't invent the rainbow.
there

you can sit there and cherry pick dictionary definitions of a scientific/psychological term... or you can look at what, say, the World Health Organization defines gender as... https://web.archive.org/web/20170130022356/http://apps.who.int/gender/whatisgender/en/


"Sex" refers to the biological and physiological characteristics that define men and women."Gender" refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women.

[DMC]

vagina isn't a sex. penis isn't a sex. those are sex organs.

the male sex is a different thing than the male gender. the female sex is a different thing than the female gender

You're confusing gender role for gender. Not the same thing.

From Wiki: Depending on the context, these characteristics may include biological sex (i.e., the state of being male, female, or an intersex variation), sex-based social structures (i.e., gender roles), or gender identity.

[DMC]

there

So you choose to describe it differently. That doesn't make you right.

[spurraider21]

or the american psychological society

https://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexuality-definitions.pdf

Gender refers to the attitudes,feelings, and behaviors that a givenculture associates with a person’sbiological sex. Behavior that iscompatible with cultural expectationsis referred to as gender-normative;behaviors that are viewed asincompatible with these expectationsconstitute gender non-conformity.

Gender refers to the attitudes, feelingsand behaviors that a given cultureassociates with a person's biologicalsex. Behavior that is compatible withcultural expectations is referred to asgender‐normative; behaviors that areviewed as incompatible with theseexpectations constitute gender non‐conformity (APA, 2012).

Gender (n): the condition ofbeing male, female, or neuter. Ina human context, the distinctionbetween gender and SEX reflectsthe usage of these terms: Sexusually refers to the biologicalaspects of maleness orfemaleness, whereas genderimplies the psychological,behavioral, social, and culturalaspects of being male or female(i.e., masculinity or femininity.)

[spurraider21]

So you choose to describe it differently. That doesn't make you right.
no, in the context of transgender people in the US, people aren't seeing their penises literally transform into vaginas.

this entire discussion is about the person's identity/mental state. so handpicking a definition that obviously doesn't apply, and then saying "agree to disagree" is just being dishonest

[DMC]

I suppose a gender reveal party is revealing how the baby self identifies.

[DMC]

no, in the context of transgender people in the US, people aren't seeing their penises literally transform into vaginas.

this entire discussion is about the person's identity/mental state. so handpicking a definition that obviously doesn't apply, and then saying "agree to disagree" is just being dishonest

That's because the term "transgender" caters to wishful thinking people. What if I was transage? Like I feel like I am 20 but I'm actually 40? I get skinny jeans, frosted tips and buy a corvette. That's called midlife crisis. If I wanted to be female though, that's somehow transgender because, well, a lot of rich white people do it so it has to have a legit connotation.

The problem is the rest of the world doesn't have to play along. They don't play along with the age thing... you're an old guy trying to be young again vs you're a male trying to be female. Either of these are based on self identity. I'm fine with both, just don't expect me to act like you're not the same person you were last week when your adam's apple was prominent.

[spurraider21]

That's because the term "transgender" caters to wishful thinking people. What if I was transage? Like I feel like I am 20 but I'm actually 40? I get skinny jeans, frosted tips and buy a corvette. That's called midlife crisis. If I wanted to be female though, that's somehow transgender because, well, a lot of rich white people do it so it has to have a legit connotation.

The problem is the rest of the world doesn't have to play along. They don't play along with the age thing... you're an old guy trying to be young again vs you're a male trying to be female. Either of these are based on self identity. I'm fine with both, just don't expect me to act like you're not the same person you were last week when your adam's apple was prominent.
except transgenderism has some scientific/psychological backing

its not like anybody is putting some heavy burdens on you where you're being oppressed because of transgenders

[Chris]

I just now realized: did you seriously sign up for a gender studies class? :lol

[Chucho]

The sickest issue, and most abhorrent hypocrisy is parents psychologically abusing children with this nonsense.

[Chris]

The sickest issue, and most abhorrent hypocrisy is parents psychologically abusing children with this nonsense.

Yep.

6 year old Michael: Where do the stars go during the day?

Mom: Nevermind that Michael, have you decided who you want to have sex with?

[pgardn]

except transgenderism has some scientific/psychological backing

its not like anybody is putting some heavy burdens on you where you're being oppressed because of transgenders

People were cross dressing, having a desire to be the opposite of their biological sex, etc.. for a very long time. It's written in autobiographies etc... What the knuckleheads fail to understand is the development of a human from very early stages and the importance of the hormonal levels in ratio to each other. It's a very delicate balance. I mean these people live(d) tortured, confused lives. They saw and heard what they were supposed to be, but felt exactly the opposite. So they did this just to be different and upset the apple cart so they could be vilified? That makes sense... Sure.

Now I would expect some false analogy. "Well pedophilles feel sexual attraction towards young children. They also are perverts" Yes they do. Do they feel this way and act out for the fun of it? Probably a few. But why in the world would someone make a concious choice to deny their real Hetero attraction for a fully mature human sexually and go after a child? A dominance thing? any genetics and then environmental conditioning? I expect so.

BUT THE HUGE DIFFERENCE:

Carrying out their feelings and knowingly destroying the life of a child is pure evil IMO. If you feel this way, get some sort of help. It's available. Feeling, having an urge, to carry out an act on another weaker human (mentally & physically) knowing the repercussions of the action could be catastrophic, to satisfy an urge, is evil IMO.

The transgender... They may have some explaining to do to their family possibly. Otherwise, it just do not make sense to feel so rabidly violent and dismissive. I expect some on this board feel these folks are just having fun testing societal norms. Maybe, but I don't think so for many. I don't see people purposely making a huge part of their indentity up for criticism for the fun of it. Some of these people, just like homosexuals, try to kill themselves. Why flippantly choose to be vilified?

Maybe there is something wrong with me. A heterosexual male, happily married, could think what I wrote above, that's evil... To me, it makes sense. The coming out "party" we are witnessing, is it the same as people waking up and realizing dark skinned Africans are not animals? I have no idea... I live in the present, read about the past, think and read about possible about futures and have no idea.

Spurraider can add a bunch and correct a bunch I'm sure since he has actually been (required?)to think about it.

Wall of text terminated.

[Blake]

I'm a person that deals in logic.

:lmao

I'll remind you next time you drop some logical fallacies

[Blake]

That's because the term "transgender" caters to wishful thinking people. What if I was transage? Like I feel like I am 20 but I'm actually 40? I get skinny jeans, frosted tips and buy a corvette. That's called midlife crisis. If I wanted to be female though, that's somehow transgender because, well, a lot of rich white people do it so it has to have a legit connotation.

The problem is the rest of the world doesn't have to play along. They don't play along with the age thing... you're an old guy trying to be young again vs you're a male trying to be female. Either of these are based on self identity. I'm fine with both, just don't expect me to act like you're not the same person you were last week when your adam's apple was prominent.

Nobody is proposing bathroom bills or competition rules based on age. Nice try tho

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

I'll remind you next time you drop some logical fallacies

Yea, I don't mean the formal rigors. But you do that, cuck.

[Blake]

Yea, I don't mean the formal rigors. But you do that, cuck.

Lol the "formal rigors"

[Chucho]

Lol the "formal rigors"


He's got to be hearing words from somewhere and then Googling them and then trying to use them in a sentence.

[koriwhat]

"Sex" refers to the biological and physiological characteristics that define men and women.

that's funny because a couple replies above you stated that the vagina and penis have nothing to do with "sex" and are merely sex organs.... hmm... biological & physiological characteristics... huh...

[Blake]

that's funny because a couple replies above you stated that the vagina and penis have nothing to do with "sex" and are merely sex organs.... hmm... biological & physiological characteristics... huh...

You got him now!

Jeez you're stupid.

[spurraider21]

that's funny because a couple replies above you stated that the vagina and penis have nothing to do with "sex" and are merely sex organs.... hmm... biological & physiological characteristics... huh...
horseshit.

i said penis is not a sex. that is accurate. that doesn't mean it has nothing to do with sex. your sex is determined by your role in reproduction.

[koriwhat]

this entire discussion is about the person's identity/mental state.

i know 3 transsexuals that are female to male and have gone through various procedures already. before i knew either of those 3, i called it and ended up right. you know why? their mannerisms were over the top feminine.

i know 1 other transsexual and it's a dude. he wears makeup and dresses from time to time but i believe he's more drag then anything and if i am not mistaken he doesn't take hormones.

the females to males though just remind me of gay teenage dudes. their mannerisms were what made me think they were more than a few young gay dudes. either way, they're all rad people, i love them all regardless, and hope the best for them in life.


The sickest issue, and most abhorrent hypocrisy is parents psychologically abusing children with this nonsense.

i totally agree.

[QUOTE=pgardn;9302923]So they did this just to be different and upset the apple cart so they could be vilified? That makes sense... Sure.[QUOTE]

i feel for those who aren't comfortable in their own skin. i have noi don't treat those i know any different because they're trans. those that are my friends get respect from me and i will call them by whatever pronoun they'd like but at the end of the day i am still not convinced. i still love them for being them though and hope the best for them in life.

[spurraider21]

i know 3 transsexuals that are female to male and have gone through various procedures already. before i knew either of those 3, i called it and ended up right. you know why? their mannerisms were over the top feminine.

i know 1 other transsexual and it's a dude. he wears makeup and dresses from time to time but i believe he's more drag then anything and if i am not mistaken he doesn't take hormones.

the females to males though just remind me of gay teenage dudes. their mannerisms were what made me think they were more than a few young gay dudes. either way, they're all rad people, i love them all regardless, and hope the best for them in life.



i totally agree.


So they did this just to be different and upset the apple cart so they could be vilified? That makes sense... Sure.

i feel for those who aren't comfortable in their own skin. i have noi don't treat those i know any different because they're trans. those that are my friends get respect from me and i will call them by whatever pronoun they'd like but at the end of the day i am still not convinced. i still love them for being them though and hope the best for them in life.
transsexuals who undergo sex change surgery is different than just being transgender, though.

[koriwhat]

I just now realized: did you seriously sign up for a gender studies class? :lol

lmao that's almost as much of a waste as my liberal arts degree. hahaha! still would way rather major in nothing at all than gender studies.

[koriwhat]

So they did this just to be different and upset the apple cart so they could be vilified? That makes sense... Sure.
transsexuals who undergo sex change surgery is different than just being transgender, though.

yeah i get that... that dude i imagine has no intention at all to "transition".

[koriwhat]

too many terms tbh. none of which apply to me. muddy waters up ahead...

[spurraider21]

too many terms tbh. none of which apply to me. muddy waters up ahead...
it does get annoying.

best thing to do is not waste time worrying about it and not obsessing over every story about transgenders in the news

[koriwhat]

it does get annoying.

best thing to do is not waste time worrying about it and not obsessing over every story about transgenders in the news

i don't.

[spurraider21]

i don't.
:tu

[Blake]

i don't.

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[koriwhat]

38 posts in this thread

you make no point whatsoever... don't reply on this forum ever again blake if you think by doing so you're somehow obsessive over this or that. i don't give a fuck if people want to play make believe.

[Blake]

39

[koriwhat]

39

so salty blake... living a life in salt. i pity you.

[Spurtacular]

Lol the "formal rigors"

If you had ever taken a class in logic you wouldn't need to laugh like a mindless cuck. But you do you.

[Blake]

If you had ever taken a class in logic you wouldn't need to laugh like a mindless cuck. But you do you.

Well you use a lot of fallacies. But you think you're logical. It's an easy lol.

[Spurtacular]

Well you use a lot of fallacies. But you think you're logical. It's an easy lol.

That's not what you were laughing at, cuck. Nice try.

[Blake]

Uh ok

[Spurtacular]

https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/25/transgender-athlete-week-june-eastwood-womens/