GT: Lakers @ Spurs; Saturday 8:00 pm CST, 3/3/18

[Darius Bieber]

Wow. I'd like to see the Spurs homer fans try to defend this shit team.

[tholdren]

That double digit lead went away in a damn hurry.

Wonder why?? Please explain

[Ron Swanson]

"No need to be in a rush"

Danny immediately shoots a 3.

[Keepin' it real]

Murray needs to outplay Alonzo Bell down the stretch.

[r0drig0lac]

Lonzo hit the three of course

x2

[bklynspursfan]

That was 3 seconds . My goodness

[tholdren]

Murray needs to outplay Alonzo Bell down the stretch.

Ok

[SAGirl]

Pop can’t make up his mind/

[Budkin]

That Pop tech is going to be the difference.

[sasaint]

Sean with the dig at LMA? "Pau not gonna settle for the turnaround jump shot."

[r0drig0lac]

Randle with 23/6/3/1/1 and 1 to...great

[tholdren]

That Pop tech is going to be the difference.

Yep. Fire

[SuperCam]

losing to the LOLkers at home with no ingram :lmao

[r0drig0lac]

Lonzo hit the three of course

b2b2b

[NASpurs]

:lol being raped by Ball again

[Budkin]

Lonzo destroying us. :lmao At least the Lakers fans are happy at the ATT.

[Keepin' it real]

Murray needs to outplay Alonzo Bell down the stretch.

C'mon DJM.

[TE]

crofl

[TheGreatYacht]

LOL we might not win another game. We lost the only 2 winnable games left

[Darius Bieber]

LOL we might not win another game. We lost the only 2 winnable games left

[tholdren]

Murray sucks

[TE]

Microcosm of this entire season the last 5-6 mins

[SuperCam]

Poop might not even crack 40 :lmao

[Keepin' it real]

I thought Alonzo Bell sucked???

[Budkin]

32-18 Lakers in the 4th

[bbarry]

Definitely will win some games. People always react to the moment.

[sasaint]

Lonzo hit the three of course

I heard somewhere he couldn't hit those. :wow

[TE]

LOL we might not win another game. We lost the only 2 winnable games left
:lol tbh

[r0drig0lac]

HAHAHAHAHA Mills stfu

[Budkin]

:lmao

[tholdren]

I thought Alonzo Bell sucked???

He does. Nowhere in non ghetto league would ball be decent.

[NASpurs]

Patty is the anti-clutch, fucking dog needs to go back to Jamaica

[TE]

What a shitty season tbh

[DJR210]

:lol wow

[r0drig0lac]

Definitely will win some games. People always react to the moment.

ok Pop

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

:lol

[SPURt]

Yikes.

[ElNono]

The tank is real, tbh

[Darius Bieber]

We will miss the playoffs.

[tholdren]

Pretty bad looking

[Budkin]

And game...

[TE]

Bertans three straight turnovers, Pop tech. Highlights

[Spurs da champs]

Honestly since he's comeback, wtf has Rudy Gay done?

[baseline bum]

God I fucking hate Rudy Gay. No team ever gets better when he joins them.

[Keepin' it real]

What the shit is this?

[ElNono]

lol @ bringing in Fatty to create anything in that last play

[Budkin]

We will miss the playoffs.

No doubt anymore.

[r0drig0lac]

Honestly since he's comeback, wtf has Rudy Gay done?

hit the three

[SuperCam]

this is the worst backcourt in the league and probably half the d-league too :lmao

[SAGirl]

Speechless

[Spurs da champs]

Fucking Lonzo Ball, how embarrassing.

[NASpurs]

Could had been a one point game if someone didn’t get a tech:lol

[Budkin]

What the shit is this?

The 2018 season.

[SAGirl]

lol @ bringing in Fatty to create anything in that last play
Tank commander Mills. There’s a lot different they could have done this summer...

[DJR210]

Julian Randolph dominated :lol

[Proxy]

:depressed

[Keepin' it real]

Honestly since he's comeback, wtf has Rudy Gay done?


God I fucking hate Rudy Gay. No team ever gets better when he joins them.

Come again?

[Budkin]

Speechless

Only now?

[TE]

This team just isn't that good with it's two best players not playing. Even with those two players they still have problems.

[Darius Bieber]

Come again?

Yeah he can make it in garbage time when it doesn't matter.

[Spurs da champs]

Come again?
Lol one three, probably meaningless too.

[r0drig0lac]

wait, people are complaining about Gay, it's like they did not have watching Mills and Pop rotations shit the game again, Kyle should be playing the 4qth

[spurs10]

Wow it’s like clockwork how we give these games up.

[Budkin]

:lmao Patty!!!!

[tholdren]

wait, people are complaining about Gay, it's like they did not have watching Mills and Pop rotations shit the game again, Kyle should be playing the 4qth

True

[Arcadian]

It's a team with 2 all-stars and scraps.

Subtract the 2 all-stars.

What'd you think was gonna happen?

[NASpurs]

:lmao air ball from the wombat

[cd98]

Well done Spurs. LA is a good lottery team.

[DJR210]

Wow it’s like clockwork how we give these games up.

Maybe they're using reverse psychology by losing to make Kawhi be the savior sooner

[Spurs da champs]

Lmao

[Spurtacular]

Air Fatty!

[TE]

Not even mad. Not surprised. Calling it like is at this point: lost season gonna continue. Can't wait for this season to be over with.

[phxspurfan]

got shat on by Big Baller Brand and Julius Trading Block Randle

[cd98]

How close are we to 50 games?

[tholdren]

It's a team with 2 all-stars and scraps.

Subtract the 2 all-stars.

What'd you think was gonna happen?

They would beat a team whos marquee player is a twink who cant shoot

[MVPCues]

Demoralizing.

[DJR210]

:lmao patty

[Spurs da champs]

It's a team with 2 all-stars and scraps.

Subtract the 2 all-stars.

What'd you think was gonna happen?
That's facts, but so many games given away. This shouldn't be happening from a "pop coached" team. Smh, dude is so burned out.

[NASpurs]

7th seed as of this moment :lmao

How low can we go

[Arcadian]

Pop is getting really good at congratulating opposing coaches!

It's his new best talent.

[Spurtacular]

It's a team with 2 all-stars and scraps.

Subtract the 2 all-stars.

What'd you think was gonna happen?

I would expect even these scrubs to not give up a 10 pt. lead to these Lakers with 5:35 at home, tbh.

[cd98]

Yikes no Kawhi and LMA and we lose to a tanker on our home court

[HI-FI]

:pop: “they made more shots than us”

Maybe they're using reverse psychology by losing to make Kawhi be the savior sooner
:lol, yeah that would be nice.

[BillMc]

Hell's bells.

Well, 6:30 AM here on a Sunday. Enjoy the ST meltdown, going to bed. Maybe this is all a bad dream.

[SAGirl]

wait, people are complaining about Gay, it's like they did not have watching Mills and Pop rotations shit the game again, Kyle should be playing the 4qth
Thanks for saying it.

I thought rotations were awful to close the games and Mills cannot be closing games unless the team is tanking.

[spurs10]

Was this one even worse than Wednesday?

[hombre]

If the Spurs don't play Patty or Bertans in the 4th, we'd win more games.

[tbdog]

Man, if Leonard doesn't come back after the Warriors/Thunder/Rockets game, then we are out of the playoffs. We are gonna drop probably all 3 of those games without him. And we really need some wins.

[cd021]

It's a team with 2 all-stars and scraps.

Subtract the 2 all-stars.

What'd you think was gonna happen?
Spurs blow 2 forth quarter leads during a tight playoff race :depressed

[Budkin]

No LMA = another L incoming.

Yup.

[Budkin]

Man, if Leonard doesn't come back after the Warriors/Thunder/Rockets game, then we are out of the playoffs. We are gonna drop probably all 3 of those games without him. And we really need some wins.

No point in coming back at this point. For what?

[Arcadian]

I'd like to say they're tanking, but...

:lol This is the best they can do

[Robz4000]

The tank is real, tbh

[Spurtacular]

Gasoft giving up acres of space on that game winning pick and roll.

[NASpurs]

If the Spurs don't play Patty or Bertans in the 4th, we'd win more games.

[SuperCam]

Poop has some really scathing remarks about Trump post game though :tu

[sasaint]

How close are we to 50 games?

Just a season away.

[TE]

Hell's bells.

Well, 6:30 AM here on a Sunday. Enjoy the ST meltdown, going to bed. Maybe this is all a bad dream.
Lol fuck that noise. Sucks that you stayed up and fcked your circadian rhythm up.

[TE]

I'd like to say they're tanking, but...

:lol This is the best they can do
:lmao

[r0drig0lac]

Gasoft giving up acres of space on that game winning pick and roll.

Gasol can not be a player on competitive teams, even if he spurstalk does not want to see the obvious, even with his high IQ, his lack of pnr defense kills the team

[Nathan89]

Are we still the 3rd seed?:lol

[sasaint]

I would expect even these scrubs to not give up a 10 pt. lead to these Lakers with 5:35 at home, tbh.

+1

[BillMc]

Sucks that you stayed up and fcked your circadian rhythm up.

Yep. But that's what fans in Europe have to do....

[Nathan89]

I'd like to say they're tanking, but...

:lol This is the best they can do

:lmao

[bbarry]

I still like this team. I see good things every game from them just need to close out games. Not giving up. Obv we gotta make the playoffs, but right now I can see us beating any team except GS and HOU, in a 7GS with a 80% Kawhi.

[sasaint]

No point in coming back at this point. For what?

And keep LMA in New York.

[r0drig0lac]

Are we still the 3rd seed?:lol

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif...bitches

I thought people would wake up against hard teams, but we can not beat really anyone at the moment

[sasaint]

Yep. But that's what fans in Europe have to do....

Yeah, you are accustomed to this - aren't you?

[SAGirl]

What’s gross about a tank like this is going down playing all the veterans and leaving the young guys benched or unplayed like White.

[NASpurs]

Spurs have the 11th best record in the league right now. Getting closer to the lottery

[BillMc]

I'm not going to say Camelot has fallen. But Lancelot is banging Guinevere and everyone knows but the King....

[Darius Bieber]

We are 2-8 in our last ten games. Only the Suns and Memphis are worse.

[SAGirl]

No point in coming back at this point. For what?
Pop did say he would be surprised to see Kawhi back this season after all.

[sasaint]

Andrew Monaco's producer must have talked to him before this game. At least he isn't sitting there with his clown smile and making light of this historically bad streak.

[BillMc]

Yeah, you are accustomed to this - aren't you?

Usually, for later games I go to bed and get up early. Tonight I foolishly was up all night, so sleep patterns are screwed. But it was no one's choice but mine. Always feel like a chump for staying up when we lose though.

[sasaint]

Usually, for later games I go to bed and get up early. Tonight I foolishly was up all night, so sleep patterns are screwed. But it was no one's choice but mine. Always feel like a chump for staying up when we lose though.

Sorrier for you than anybody. Hang some Zs.

[DJR210]

I gotta say, Patty has mastered the art of the lateral dribble and dish :tu

[Chinook]

I kinda want them to fall out of the playoffs at this point. I think they could actually have a good run as a low-seed, but watching the games hasn't been fun in a while. Even when there are fun parts, I can hardly enjoy them because I know the team will find a way to fuck them up. Also Patty played the second-most minutes tonight...

[BillMc]

Sorrier for you than anybody. Hang some Zs.

Thanks man.:toast

Nite all. When I wake from this nightmare I'm sure I'll discover spurs are on 12 game winning streak....right?

[Spurtacular]

Could Aldridge not play while on his period?

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TogGxzlfhM

[TE]

Yep. But that's what fans in Europe have to do....
Good fan :tu

[Hoops Czar]

12 point lead with 5:43 to go and they couldn't even hold that against the lottery bound Lakers at home.

[SAGirl]

I kinda want them to fall out of the playoffs at this point. I think they could actually have a good run as a low-seed, but watching the games hasn't been fun in a while. Even when there are fun parts, I can hardly enjoy them because I know the team will find a way to fuck them up. Also Patty played the second-most minutes tonight...
It gets painful to watch a team lose that is getting set up to fail playing Patty like he’s the team’s best player.
Its disgusting.

And it’s also disgusting to be tanking while the team is playing all the veterans in the team big minutes and leaving the younger guys benched. I can’t get behind that.

[objective]

I'm okay with the losing, it's good.

If they're not going to play White, then I'm rooting for the lottery.

If they start playing White, I'm rooting for the playoffs (and they'd make the playoffs).

Bring on the 2% chance at a top 3 pick!

[SuperCam]

only spur homer can argue that kiwi's surrounding talent here would be better than in LA tbh

[BillMc]

Good fan :tu

Cheers man. :bobo

[SAGirl]

I'm okay with the losing, it's good.

If they're not going to play White, then I'm rooting for the lottery.

If they start playing White, I'm rooting for the playoffs (and they'd make the playoffs).

Bring on the 2% chance at a top 3 pick!
I am with you 100 %.
Do you think there’s a chance Pop is opening his eyes with this vet crew?

[Budkin]

Andrew Monaco's producer must have talked to him before this game. At least he isn't sitting there with his clown smile and making light of this historically bad streak.

The only thing good about the Spurs losing like this is seeing his pathetic face.

[Budkin]

Could Aldridge not play while on his period?

Guessing he'll be out the next game as well.

[-21-]

What’s gross about a tank like this is going down playing all the veterans and leaving the young guys benched or unplayed like White.

Maybe it's because they're not tanking and are actually trying to win and the team just sucks.

Or they are tanking and not playing the young guys because that could actually lead to more wins.

Idk at this point, I'm so fkin lost. :lol :depressed

[NASpurs]

Next game is against the Grizzlies, who have lost 13 in a row. I swear I'll believe the Spurs are tanking if they end up losing that game. :lol

[weeks]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLGQgtdlixOqi6-sRt1Z4CMyaupdtlIUGr_OEMlKy8FR0UW0JZfA

7th SEED BITCHES

[cjw]

I'm okay with the losing, it's good.

If they're not going to play White, then I'm rooting for the lottery.

If they start playing White, I'm rooting for the playoffs (and they'd make the playoffs).

Bring on the 2% chance at a top 3 pick!

Is a 2% chance at a top three pick better than a 1% chance at a title? At this point, I kind of think so. For a team that hasn’t won in ages, the answer might be different.

[BillMc]

Feel worst for Rudy Gay who finally wanted to be on a good team...

[objective]

I am with you 100 %.
Do you think there’s a chance Pop is opening his eyes with this vet crew?

Not during the regular season.

Pop's history is rolling the trash right into the playoffs, watching the crappy vets get destroyed, c finally panicking once they get too far behind, and then playing the rookie in desperation.

Hill, Splitter, Boban. And it would have happened with Stephen Jackson in 2002 but the rules were different and Jackson was forced to be inactive for the playoffs in my memory is right. Instead Porter was left to fall down and Steve Smith be wreckage.

But if they miss the playoffs Pop won't have the chance to do his usual schtick.

[spurs10]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TogGxzlfhM
“It just doesn’t matter, It just doesn’t matter, It just doesn’t matter!

[Dex]

Looking like it's almost time to just take this season behind the woodshed and put it out of its misery.

The only solace I have is that it's taken an unprecedented run of injuries to finally bring the doom to the Spurs that pundits have been predicting for a decade now. This team was built around Kawhi and without him, well...this is what we get. Especially when the other big piece added (Gay) has been out or restricted by injury for half the season.

Barring another catastrophe like that, Spurs should be able to bounce back next year.

[Budkin]

Looking like it's almost time to just take this season behind the woodshed and put it out of its misery.

The only solace I have is that it's taken an unprecedented run of injuries to finally bring the doom to the Spurs that pundits have been predicting for a decade now. This team was built around Kawhi and without him, well...this is what we get. Especially when the other big piece added (Gay) has been out or restricted by injury for half the season.

Barring another catastrophe like that, Spurs should be able to bounce back next year.

I think next year will be a different story, but this year is FUCKING OVER.

[SAGirl]

Feel worst for Rudy Gay who finally wanted to be on a good team...
Maybe he’s part of that problem. Not blaming him. Just remarking that his teams have never done shit.

[acoelho1]

This year gets stranger by the min from Kawhi’s injury to Pops rotations. We have done about everything possible to lose games. I’m not expecting Kawhi to come back this year and really disappointed by his lack of communication. No other star player could get away with missing most of the year and not even giving a sit down interview. It’s an embarrassment and the fans deserve better. I guess the fans don’t matter even though there wouldn’t be a league without them.

[Dex]

With 4:58 left in the 4th, the Spurs had a 98.2% probability of winning, and they lost to a midget and a Lonzo fucking Ball.

http://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/wpBox_live.php?gid=0021700940&odds=pregm&both=N

Ugh.

[Nathan89]

I'm okay with the losing, it's good.

If they're not going to play White, then I'm rooting for the lottery.

If they start playing White, I'm rooting for the playoffs (and they'd make the playoffs).

Bring on the 2% chance at a top 3 pick!


With 4:58 left in the 4th, the Spurs had a 98.2% probability of winning, and they lost to a midget and a Lonzo fucking Ball.

http://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/wpBox_live.php?gid=0021700940&odds=pregm&both=N

Ugh.

Well there's your 2%.

[Budkin]

:lmao the Thunder just moved us back to 6th.

[weeks]

we just lost to the fucking lakers AGAIN :lmao

[TimDunkem]

:lmao the Thunder just moved us back to 6th.

Spurs are the 7th seed, atm.

[Buddy Mignon]

Hello

[Nathan89]

:lmao the Thunder just moved us back to 6th.:flag:

[Budkin]

Hello

https://orig00.deviantart.net/c517/f/2014/276/4/9/request__shirtless_naruto_by_nooneym-d6m8b8m.jpg

[cd021]

Spurs are the 7th seed, atm.

Just updated, Spurs are 6th now.

[TheRemix]

Spurs are the 7th seed, atm.

Our tanking efforts are working

[cd021]

Realistically, I expect the Spurs to be 5th or 6th. I think Minny is going to fall to 7th or 8th , their next five games are tough (Boston, GSW, @ Washington @ Spurs, Houston (B2B), LAC) leaving Portland and New Orleans as possibly the 3rd and 4th seeds and potential first round match ups for us.

[Mikeanaro]

Time to miss the playoffs, Pop and his acolytes deserve the whole pie.
Mmm yummy!

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Hopefully they miss the playoffs. No point of even bothering at this point and we'll have a better chance of getting a better draft pick #.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Our tanking efforts are working
CIA Pop is in motion as we speak.

[Nathan89]

Create a site for game grades and everyone wants to tank.:lol

Bad luck Brian89 tbh

[objective]

Well there's your 2%.

Top 3 pick!

Jaren Jackson Jr!

Patty can make it happen!

[ElNono]

https://orig00.deviantart.net/c517/f/2014/276/4/9/request__shirtless_naruto_by_nooneym-d6m8b8m.jpg

:lmao

[cd021]

Murray 8 straight games of double digit scoring, his FG% has also steadily ticked up-now shooting 44% overall and 45% on 2pt FG's

[SAGirl]

Murray 8 straight games of double digit scoring, his FG% has also steadily ticked up-now shooting 44% overall and 45% on 2pt FG's
I thought him and Kyle could have played more minutes. One at 21 minutes and the other at 23... for team to lose playing Paddy 29 minutes ...

[spurs10]

With 4:58 left in the 4th, the Spurs had a 98.2% probability of winning, and they lost to a midget and a Lonzo fucking Ball.

http://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/wpBox_live.php?gid=0021700940&odds=pregm&both=N

Ugh. Well at least this got a laugh out of me! :lol

[spurs10]

https://orig00.deviantart.net/c517/f/2014/276/4/9/request__shirtless_naruto_by_nooneym-d6m8b8m.jpg :rollin

[szkorhetz]

Houston isn't that bad of a matchup ,TBH.

[DeRozan m8]

This year gets stranger by the min from Kawhi’s injury to Pops rotations. We have done about everything possible to lose games. I’m not expecting Kawhi to come back this year and really disappointed by his lack of communication. No other star player could get away with missing most of the year and not even giving a sit down interview. It’s an embarrassment and the fans deserve better. I guess the fans don’t matter even though there wouldn’t be a league without them.

Totally agree, and I think thats why, subconsciously, Im pissed off at the situation....the whole thing has been handled disgustingly, and the fans have been the ones most disrespected here.

Kawhi himself just doesn't seem to give a fuck about anything at this point.

Worst season in 2 decades, terrible list, not close to contending, nothing exciting going on, even our All Star does nothing to actually excite me - he's too concerned for his own touches and rhythm than the team.

Blow it up

[Robz4000]

Totally agree, and I think thats why, subconsciously, Im pissed off at the situation....the whole thing has been handled disgustingly, and the fans have been the ones most disrespected here.

Kawhi himself just doesn't seem to give a fuck about anything at this point.

Worst season in 2 decades, terrible list, not close to contending, nothing exciting going on, even our All Star does nothing to actually excite me - he's too concerned for his own touches and rhythm than the team.

Blow it up

Are you me?

[DeRozan m8]

Are you me?

I could only be so lucky mate

[tbdog]

This year gets stranger by the min from Kawhi’s injury to Pops rotations. We have done about everything possible to lose games. I’m not expecting Kawhi to come back this year and really disappointed by his lack of communication. No other star player could get away with missing most of the year and not even giving a sit down interview. It’s an embarrassment and the fans deserve better. I guess the fans don’t matter even though there wouldn’t be a league without them.

Sean ****** continuously said that Leonard will be back this season.

[venitian navigator]

Even if Kiwhi will be back this season, its becoming obvious that it won't be for playing in play offs but just for re-stablishing his health in playing games...in a way that will lead thid summer to :a) re-sign him at a max or however good contract with spurs for five more years and be part of next season squad or, in case its true the relathionship with the team is broken
b) sell him after he signed that contract at the best price possible, probably including some draft pick.
what i'm saying is that, at this point, after all these problems, if he cames back, his injury management will be continued also during at least his first four or five games he plays, and that, if it will be not necessarly bad for the team in the sense of winning games, will also not be good either...'cause the priority will not be winning games but put him back in shape in the sense of proving and showing to everybody, F.O. included, that the injury has been handled correctly and that the old Kiwhi isn gonna be back the same of last seasons...

[r0drig0lac]

Kyle and Gay should have played the full 4th, Pop has really been making some strange decisions to close the games

[venitian navigator]

Kyle and Gay should have played the full 4th, Pop has really been making some strange decisions to close the games

they're not strange...knowing kiwhi won't play till the last 10 games, the only goal for the season is to improve the young guys with playing time and do not lose the confidence of the veterans that are already signed for next season giving them the playing minutes in crunch time.
Kyle and Gay are both still not signed with the team for next season...Kyle in a restricted f.a. and Gay has a player option.
I frankly hope both (and Bertans) are re-signed, Kyle (and Davis) at a decent contract and Gay opting in.
But for now plaiyng them for winning games is not looking the exact priority for the team...

[sasaint]

I thought him and Kyle could have played more minutes. One at 21 minutes and the other at 23... for team to lose playing Paddy 29 minutes ...

Could it be that Pop actually is tanking? Stealth tank?

[sasaint]

Houston isn't that bad of a matchup ,TBH.

Good on Earth! :lol

[Bill_Brasky]

I didn't watch at all but I'm assuming Mills had another horrible game and cost us in the 4th....

[acoelho1]

I’ll believe it when I see it. All the secrecy surrounding this issue is rediculous. I don’t see a sense of urgency from the organization to want to make a serious run. I’m not much for conspiracies but having more Patty is not winning basketball and it seems the team is being set up to fail.

[SAGirl]

Could it be that Pop actually is tanking? Stealth tank?
I think so.
I also agree with the poster above that said the only reason for Kawhi to come back at this point is to play some games to show the FO that he can manage his injury so he can get his supermax.

[SAGirl]

I didn't watch at all but I'm assuming Mills had another horrible game and cost us in the 4th....
Lonzo put Pau and Paddy in a PnR and the Lakers killed them. He also killed Tony in the same way who also had a bad game.

[sasaint]

I think so.
I also agree with the poster above that said the only reason for Kawhi to come back at this point is to play some games to show the FO that he can manage his injury so he can get his supermax.

Really? I don't think it is in Pop's DNA to tank.

Maybe Kawhi has that incentive to show something. If Pop isn't tanking, seems like we should see Kawhi this season. If we are, indeed, tanking, Kawhi's remaining out would be good evidence of that.

[UZER]

I think so.
I also agree with the poster above that said the only reason for Kawhi to come back at this point is to play some games to show the FO that he can manage his injury so he can get his supermax.

Pop has been playing the same shit lineups all year. Now he's gonna get credit for tanking?

[SAGirl]

Really? I don't think it is in Pop's DNA to tank.

Maybe Kawhi has that incentive to show something. If Pop isn't tanking, seems like we should see Kawhi this season. If we are, indeed, tanking, Kawhi's remaining out would be good evidence of that.
Getting ejected from games when the team is ahead... etc. Sitting Lamarcus for a treatment that they could have chosen when to have it deliberately prior to the ASG, not picking up an additional big. Joff is scoring more efficiently than he was b4 but he’s not good.

I am probably being reactionary though, you have a point calling me out on it.

No the truth is likely more pathetic. He put his trust in the veterans to get him home and they are bad. Which what are you doing? At least develop young players for next season if you are going to be losing. What is the goal for next year at this point?

[sasaint]

Getting ejected from games when the team is ahead... etc. Sitting Lamarcus for a treatment that they could have chosen when to have it deliberately prior to the ASG, not picking up an additional big. Joff is scoring more efficiently than he was b4 but he’s not good.

I am probably being reactionary though, you have a point calling me out on it.

No the truth is likely more pathetic. He put his trust in the veterans to get him home and they are bad. Which what are you doing? At least develop young players for next season if you are going to be losing. What is the goal for next year at this point?

That's the rub with your argument: which young players will be here next season? We are going to lose most of them because of the reckless splurge last offseason.

[SAGirl]

Even if Kiwhi will be back this season, its becoming obvious that it won't be for playing in play offs but just for re-stablishing his health in playing games...in a way that will lead thid summer to :a) re-sign him at a max or however good contract with spurs for five more years and be part of next season squad or, in case its true the relathionship with the team is broken
b) sell him after he signed that contract at the best price possible, probably including some draft pick.
what i'm saying is that, at this point, after all these problems, if he cames back, his injury management will be continued also during at least his first four or five games he plays, and that, if it will be not necessarly bad for the team in the sense of winning games, will also not be good either...'cause the priority will not be winning games but put him back in shape in the sense of proving and showing to everybody, F.O. included, that the injury has been handled correctly and that the old Kiwhi isn gonna be back the same of last seasons...
Agree.

[SAGirl]

That's the rub with your argument: which young players will be here next season? We are going to lose most of them because of the reckless splurge last offseason.
It's puzzling. Dejounte and White for sure. At least play them more.

[rudwick]

Really? I don't think it is in Pop's DNA to tank.

Maybe Kawhi has that incentive to show something. If Pop isn't tanking, seems like we should see Kawhi this season. If we are, indeed, tanking, Kawhi's remaining out would be good evidence of that.

I think you are saying Pop would not lose to further the long term goals of the team. Think about his resting of players.
I said before the season started it looked like we were tanking based on the signings.
He has rehabbed the Lamarcus situation, so this offseason may be the time to trade Lamarcus for a younger player.

[sasaint]

I think you are saying Pop would not lose to further the long term goals of the team. Think about his resting of players.
I said before the season started it looked like we were tanking based on the signings.
He has rehabbed the Lamarcus situation, so this offseason may be the time to trade Lamarcus for a younger player.

Resting of players doesn't seem quite the same to me, although I would have to think harder about the difference than I want to at the moment. Maybe you are right.

As for LMA, I'd be the happiest guy on ST if he could fetch us a good return this offseason. But I am not sure that sounds like PATFO's M-O either.

[sasaint]

It's puzzling. Dejounte and White for sure. At least play them more.

I thought Kyle was a lock a month or so ago - as you may recall. Now? Not so much. Even DJ and DWhite...? DJ is realistically another year away - maybe next season, but... So, if Kawhi has any input, what're his thoughts on signing a new contract (for whatever money) and waiting for Pau and Patty (and Tony?) to ride off into the sunset and also DJ to fill his sneakers? Meanwhile, the rest of the team is replaced by minimum contract guys (except Rudy). So, could DJ and/or White be trade sweeteners to induce some team to swallow Pau or Patty? How likely is Pop to do that to "his" guys and go for a serious re-tool? Too many factors for me to come up with any hypothesis. The team just seems like it is between a rock and a hard spot to me. A regime other than PATFO would probably be willing to make some moves that PATFO wouldn't even consider.

[SAGirl]

I thought Kyle was a lock a month or so ago - as you may recall. Now? Not so much. Even DJ and DWhite...? DJ is realistically another year away - maybe next season, but... So, if Kawhi has any input, what're his thoughts on signing a new contract (for whatever money) and waiting for Pau and Patty (and Tony?) to ride off into the sunset and also DJ to fill his sneakers? Meanwhile, the rest of the team is replaced by minimum contract guys (except Rudy). So, could DJ and/or White be trade sweeteners to induce some team to swallow Pau or Patty? How likely is Pop to do that to "his" guys and go for a serious re-tool? Too many factors for me to come up with any hypothesis. The team just seems like it is between a rock and a hard spot to me. A regime other than PATFO would probably be willing to make some moves that PATFO wouldn't even consider.

I think Kiwi only cares about himself and getting paid. I don't think he cares as much about roster construction as it's made out to be. He's not a recruiter so what does he want? He just goes out, plays, wants to be great and goes home to his family. He's not GM lebron, he's not Raymond calling players to recruit them, he's not even Tony giving Pop feedback on players the FO is considering.

But, I see your point. If they want to reshape the roster even the youngsters still under contract over the summer aren't secure.

I don't know what to tell you except that perhaps you will be disappointed when they won't change as much as you think they will. I am very pessimistic when it comes to Spurs refreshing their personnel, except that perhaps some guys will not be back bc they are going to get paid elsewhere and the Spurs replacing those guys with inferior projects. In that case a lottery pick will help give some upside, but the younger you go, those guys need years to be a positive contributor unless they are a special talent. Maybe they can find a gem in the late lottery. Perhaps that's why they are playing Paddy this much, and benching Kyle in the entire 4th Q.

[sasaint]

I think Kiwi only cares about himself and getting paid. I don't think he cares as much about roster construction as it's made out to be. He's not a recruiter so what does he want? He just goes out, plays, wants to be great and goes home to his family. He's not GM lebron, he's not Raymond calling players to recruit them, he's not even Tony giving Pop feedback on players the FO is considering.

But, I see your point. If they want to reshape the roster even the youngsters still under contract over the summer aren't secure.

I don't know what to tell you except that perhaps you will be disappointed when they won't change as much as you think they will. I am very pessimistic when it comes to Spurs refreshing their personnel, except that perhaps some guys will not be back bc they are going to get paid elsewhere and the Spurs replacing those guys with inferior projects. In that case a lottery pick will help give some upside, but the younger you go, those guys need years to be a positive contributor unless they are a special talent. Maybe they can find a gem in the late lottery. Perhaps that's why they are playing Paddy this much, and benching Kyle in the entire 4th Q.

Odd that you mention recruiting. What if it turned out that he didn't go on recruiting visits with Pop et al because he wasn't invited? Haha.

Yeah, we know he doesn't recruit. But that is different than having an opinion about who his teammates are. In addition to what you pointed out about him, I also think he wants to win - especially after having won the championship and many accolades as a young player.

I won't be disappointed, because I have pretty low expectations at this point about PATFO's re-tooling the roster.

[DPG21920]

Getting ejected from games when the team is ahead... etc. Sitting Lamarcus for a treatment that they could have chosen when to have it deliberately prior to the ASG, not picking up an additional big. Joff is scoring more efficiently than he was b4 but he’s not good.

I am probably being reactionary though, you have a point calling me out on it.

No the truth is likely more pathetic. He put his trust in the veterans to get him home and they are bad. Which what are you doing? At least develop young players for next season if you are going to be losing. What is the goal for next year at this point?

Seriously think about what you are saying. You know how hard it is to tank in the context of what we are seeing from SA? These are vets that don’t try and lose and SA is having double digit leads for the majority of the game(s) just to have mini-meltdowns.

They aren’t tanking.

[SAGirl]

Seriously think about what you are saying. You know how hard it is to tank in the context of what we are seeing from SA? These are vets that don’t try and lose and SA is having double digit leads for the majority of the game(s) just to have mini-meltdowns.

They aren’t tanking.
They should play their youngsters more if they were truly tanking. The FO just overpaid for some guys who are not that good then and now they feel like they have to play them till the bitter end.

[TD 21]

Seriously think about what you are saying. You know how hard it is to tank in the context of what we are seeing from SA? These are vets that don’t try and lose and SA is having double digit leads for the majority of the game(s) just to have mini-meltdowns.

They aren’t tanking.

Tanking might be the most overused word in the NBA. People cavalierly throw the word around without understanding what it entails. Players never tank and given where this organization is at, they obviously aren't either.

They're just out talented most games and their archaic style compounds matters because there's little variance and virtually no margin for error. Wearing Spurs jerseys and being coached by the genius doesn't make up for the reality that the majority of this team is either too old or too young and either way not good enough to fill the roles they have them in. They rode the wave of a rejuvenated Aldridge, weak early schedule and the notion of the cavalry being on the way, before reality set in and their spirit was broken.

[DPG21920]

They should play their youngsters more if they were truly tanking. The FO just overpaid for some guys who are not that good then and now they feel like they have to play them till the bitter end.

That’s a fine opinion but that would not be tanking.

[sasaint]

Tanking might be the most overused word in the NBA. People cavalierly throw the word around without understanding what it entails. Players never tank and given where this organization is at, they obviously aren't either.

They're just out talented most games and their archaic style compounds matters because there's little variance and virtually no margin for error. Wearing Spurs jerseys and being coached by the genius doesn't make up for the reality that the majority of this team is either too old or too young and either way not good enough to fill the roles they have them in. They rode the wave of a rejuvenated Aldridge, weak early schedule and the notion of the cavalry being on the way, before reality set in and their spirit was broken.

Good perspective. I think I would emphasize that they are not good enough to fill the roles they have them in. I am not sure I have ever seen players tank. I have seen them loaf and/or under-perform in many different circumstances. But I doubt that I have witnessed them doing so for the purpose of having a bad record. That would be point-shaving, and there have been a couple of big scandals about that. With Silver suggesting that legal betting is coming soon, you can bet that the league will crack down on any circumstance that suggests point-shaving.

[YGWHI]

He just goes out, plays, wants to be great and goes home to his family.
You make it sounds like a bad thing when all coaches and gms in the league pray to have a franchise player that let them to do their job without pressure.

Not playing GM role, in fact increases Kawhi value. I have no doubt the rest of coaches and FO's would love to work without interferences from their superstar.

[SAGirl]

You make it sounds like a bad thing when all coaches and gms in the league pray to have a franchise player that let them to do their job without pressure.

Not playing GM role, in fact increases Kawhi value. I have no doubt the rest of coaches and FO's would love to work without interferences from their superstar.
I don’t make it sound like anything.
I was pretty plain. I think him complaining about the roster is very unseemly to me.
However everyone is free to think what they want so long as the man doesn’t speak for himself.

[tholdren]

I don’t make it sound like anything.
I was pretty plain. I think him complaining about the roster is very unseemly to me.
However everyone is free to think what they want so long as the man doesn’t speak for himself.

Durbeta 2.0

[YGWHI]

I don’t make it sound like anything.
I was pretty plain. I think him complaining about the roster is very unseemly to me.
However everyone is free to think what they want so long as the man doesn’t speak for himself.

I wonder when he was complaining about the roster.

Not talking to the media isn't a valid excuse to put words in his mouth that he never said.

[SAGirl]

I wonder when he was complaining about the roster.

Not talking to the media isn't a valid excuse to put words in his mouth that he never said.
Maybe you want to reply to sasaint, who thinks he's disgusted with the roster and voicing his opinion.

[sasaint]

Maybe you want to reply to sasaint, who thinks he's disgusted with the roster and voicing his opinion.

Huh? Please refresh my memory. I have posed the question, but I don't recall making a statement. But, perhaps in the heat of the moment... :lol

[SAGirl]

Huh? Please refresh my memory. I have posed the question, but I don't recall making a statement. But, perhaps in the heat of the moment... :lol
I know Ygwhi will champion on Kiwi's behalf for any perceived slight but I don't even understand what the perceived slight is. I think he's more countering your arguments that Kawhi is complaining about his teammates, but honestly... at this point I don't know what he's talking about.

[YGWHI]

I know Ygwhi will champion on Kiwi's behalf for any perceived slight
So proud I'll champion on something this year...:D


I think he's more countering your arguments that Kawhi is complaining about his teammates, but honestly... at this point I don't know what he's talking about.
It wasn't exactly on you. It was about the guys using it as an excuse. I read a few of them but I can't remember who were because I'm so bad for nicknames. Sorry.

[sasaint]

I know Ygwhi will champion on Kiwi's behalf for any perceived slight but I don't even understand what the perceived slight is. I think he's more countering your arguments that Kawhi is complaining about his teammates, but honestly... at this point I don't know what he's talking about.

I do not recall saying Kawhi is complaining about his teammates. Although I wonder, I don't know. I have engaged in some speculative discussions about how he might feel and whether he does have any input with PATFO...

[SAGirl]

Not during the regular season.

Pop's history is rolling the trash right into the playoffs, watching the crappy vets get destroyed, c finally panicking once they get too far behind, and then playing the rookie in desperation.

Hill, Splitter, Boban. And it would have happened with Stephen Jackson in 2002 but the rules were different and Jackson was forced to be inactive for the playoffs in my memory is right. Instead Porter was left to fall down and Steve Smith be wreckage.

But if they miss the playoffs Pop won't have the chance to do his usual schtick.

I am really wondering what it will take for them to open their eyes that Patty Mills should not be closing games. I am kind of wondering if continuing the humiliation in an epic losing streak while continuing to play Patty the most minutes and have him closing games, getting plays called for him and have him failing repeatedly is the only way for them to see it but it might not work.