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RandomGuy
03-21-2018, 11:20 AM
Republicans really love their cheating, and won't put up with anything stopping it.


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"A dozen GOP Pennsylvania lawmakers filed legislation on Tuesday to impeach four Democratic state Supreme Court justices who ruled the state’s congressional map was unconstitutionally gerrymandered and replaced it with a new one.

The Republicans moved to impeach Justices David Wecht, Christine Donahue, Kevin Dougherty and Debra McCloskey Todd, all Democrats who found the state’s congressional map was designed to favor Republicans and must be replaced before the May primary. Justice Max Baer (D), who also voted to strike down the map, but said it could remain in place until 2020, wasn’t mentioned in the impeachment resolutions.

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The legislation comes a little more than a month after state Rep. Cris Dush (R) urged impeachment of the Democratic justices. The state Supreme Court ruled in January 5-2, along party lines, that congressional districts drawn in 2011 were so lopsided to benefit Republicans that they violated the guarantee of free and equal elections. The court gave lawmakers three weeks to draw a new map with Gov. Tom Wolf (D), but imposed its own plan once they failed to reach an agreement. Two Republican appeals to the U.S. Supreme Court and a federal lawsuit have been unsuccessful in blocking the new map."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pennsylvania-gop-moves-impeach-supreme-221330691.html

DeadlyDynasty
03-21-2018, 11:44 AM
boutons's understudy with yet another thread

RandomGuy
03-21-2018, 04:20 PM
boutons's understudy with yet another thread

What would you call this?

One political party cheated a lot of voters, then got called out in the courts, so now that party is using their power in the legislative branch to attempt to keep cheating.

Seems kind of important to me.

AaronY
03-21-2018, 04:23 PM
You do need to use the bad nicknames if you're going to go full boutons, OP

RandomGuy
03-21-2018, 04:59 PM
You do need to use the bad nicknames if you're going to go full boutons, OP

Cheating voters is cheating voters. It is a problem, no matter which party does it.

Democrats do it in some states and that is a problem too.

But make no mistake the Republicans do it far more. That is toxic.

boutons_deux
03-21-2018, 05:10 PM
What would you call this?

One political party cheated a lot of voters, then got called out in the courts, so now that party is using their power in the legislative branch to attempt to keep cheating.

Seems kind of important to me.

This is an amazingly shitty move, anti-democratic, fucking dictator-type shit.

"We don't like the court's ruling(s) against us, so we'll remove the judges"

More proof that "No Man Is Above The Law" is a hilarious myth.

RandomGuy
03-21-2018, 05:20 PM
You do need to use the bad nicknames if you're going to go full boutons, OP


In an amicus brief to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, political science professors Keith Gaddie and Bernard Grofman wrote that there was as much as three times more partisan bias in congressional maps this decade than in ones drawn in 2000. Nicholas Stephanopoulos, a law professor at the University of Chicago helping challenge a Wisconsin map, said a “dramatic number” of the worst gerrymanders of the last half-century have occurred since 2010.

Until the courts began stepping in, Republican gerrymandering paid off. From 2012 to 2016, the GOP won 13 of Pennsylvania’s 18 congressional seats, even though the party’s candidates only got around half of the vote. In Ohio, the party consistently won 12 of 16 congressional seats, but 50 percent of the statewide vote. In Wisconsin, they won at least 60 of 99 state assembly seats, with about half of the popular vote.

As a lawyer, Stephanopoulos said the clear egregiousness of the Republican redistricting made it easier to show something was amiss. It would have been harder to make a case, he said, if Republicans had only been winning slim majorities.

“In Wisconsin, if Republicans had been winning a narrow majority of the statehouse with roughly a tied election, Democrats would have been upset by that, but it probably wouldn’t have risen to a major constitutional challenge,” Stephanopoulos said.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gop-gerrymandering-greedy_us_5aabc708e4b0c33361afccc7

FWIW. Statistical analysis shows a pretty clear trend.

That the GOP was so ruthless about winning at all costs. They won, but that made challenging this stuff easy, since it was so egregious.

"Both sides do it" doesn't really match reality here. Feel free to acknowledge one party is shittier than the other when it is true, if you can.

AaronY
03-21-2018, 05:21 PM
Show him how to do the nicknames, boo

Chucho
03-21-2018, 05:32 PM
But make no mistake the Republicans do it far more. That is toxic.


What do the stats say? Do you have stats to support this claim?

Chucho
03-21-2018, 05:34 PM
Show him how to do the nicknames, boo


boutons's understudy with yet another thread


You do need to use the bad nicknames if you're going to go full boutons, OP

:rollin

The slow descent into madness continues...

Reck
03-21-2018, 05:48 PM
What do the stats say? Do you have stats to support this claim?

Off the top of my head...Florida, Texas, North Carolina, and Alabama.

The one prominent state that comes to mind the democrats have gerrymandered to shit is Maryland.

There is no doubt Republicans have done it more.

Spurminator
03-21-2018, 05:55 PM
Who cares who does it more? Are we okay with it or not? There's only one party currently fighting gerrymandering, and that's a shame.

KenMcCoy
03-21-2018, 07:07 PM
It's not cheating if you make the rules!

dabom
03-21-2018, 07:08 PM
It's not cheating if you make the rules! - Putin

RandomGuy
03-22-2018, 09:04 AM
What do the stats say? Do you have stats to support this claim?

I do actually. There is research out there showing the effect and scope of the problem.

I can point you to it, or you can simple do a quick google search, it isn't hard to find at all.

RandomGuy
03-22-2018, 09:05 AM
Who cares who does it more? Are we okay with it or not? There's only one party currently fighting gerrymandering, and that's a shame.

This wins. Well put.

RandomGuy
03-23-2018, 12:31 PM
“As Chief Justice of Pennsylvania, I am very concerned by the reported filing of impeachment resolutions against Justices of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania related to the Court’s decision about congressional redistricting,” Saylor said in a statement. “Threats of impeachment directed against Justices because of their decision in a particular case are an attack upon an independent judiciary, which is an essential component of our constitutional plan of government.”

Any board conservatives want to comment on this one? Feel free to man up and criticize the Trump party at any time.

AaronY
03-23-2018, 01:48 PM
If the Rs get control of state Supreme Court will they pass Christian Sharia law?

Boutons, boutons jr anyone wanna answer this for me?

RandomGuy
03-23-2018, 02:09 PM
If the Rs get control of state Supreme Court will they pass Christian Sharia law?

Boutons, boutons jr anyone wanna answer this for me?

(shrugs)

If you want a discussion on religious freedom, you might want to start a thread on it.