Just how wrong were we about Kawhi?

[DPG21920]

Kawhi has plenty to gain by sitting out. He knows that as long as he’s been giving a clear bill of health he’s going to get a max offer. The ONLY thing that could derail that is if he came back and suffered a bad injury.

So him going into the Summer “healthy” guarantees him a max DPE from SA

[SAGirl]

Kawhi has plenty to gain by sitting out. He knows that as long as he’s been giving a clear bill of health he’s going to get a max offer. The ONLY thing that could derail that is if he came back and suffered a bad injury.

So him going into the Summer “healthy” guarantees him a max DPE from SA
I hope you are right and this is resolved for the better.

I don't see it bc it's unusual for him to have sat the entire season. I am worried that's a chronic injury he has. But ok, fingers crossed. Hoping and wishing him the best.

If he's just a snake and this is some plot to get out...

[spurs10]

I hope you are right and this is resolved for the better.

I don't see it bc it's unusual for him to have sat the entire season. I am worried that's a chronic injury he has. But ok, fingers crossed. Hoping and wishing him the best.

If he's just a snake and this is some plot to get out... I don't think this has been about him playing us, he's under contract next season and has 217 million reasons to play...or is it 219 reasons. Maybe DPG is right and he doesn't want to test fate by playing in the playoffs even if healthy. It would be a shocker if he came back though.

[SAGirl]

I don't think this has been about him playing us, he's under contract next season and has 217 million reasons to play...or is it 219 reasons. Maybe DPG is right and he doesn't want to test fate by playing in the playoffs even if healthy. It would be a shocker if he came back tough.
I truly am not expecting him this season... As it concerns him it's more about whether he will be the same player next year for me. No way to know right now.

[spurs10]

I truly am not expecting him this season... As it concerns him it's more about whether he will be the same player next year for me. No way to know right now. Yep that's the question. Maybe I'm being delusional, but I think that's the reason for him being so cautious and he's getting the greatest treatment possible to guarantee a return to 100%. I still contend the Spurs medical staff did not recommend surgery and that's part of why this has been hard to understand. Apparently for TP that's for sure...:) I'm keeping the faith and have been pleasantly surprised seeing this group focus and try to live up to their potential no matter what that may be. Good win today when Haren didn't get every call in the world.

[YGWHI]

LMAO the way his teammates are treating him :lol

If they were gonna have a players' meeting/convo after a game, I can't see the need of Parker saying "my injury 100 times worse"/Manu talking about "his personality" in public.

You don't see players talking to the media about KD fake Tw accounts/weird personality, about Melo black-hole game this season, about off-court Smart's injury...

Airing locker-room issues is not a good sign. That's why I doubt the Spurs want to offer him an extension at this point.

[DPG21920]

Tony was asked a very specific question - why does SA have to continue to lie or not answer honestly when Kawhi is the one leaving them to answer on his behalf?

[weebo]

You need to go back and re visit those videos (Manu/TP)--They said nothing to question KL character or willingness to suit up and play. TP was just sticking up for the medical staff and Manu was being honest because the team needs to move on from waiting on KL to comeback this year from his injury.

[YGWHI]

Tony was asked a very specific question - why does SA have to continue to lie or not answer honestly when Kawhi is the one leaving them to answer on his behalf?
Yes, they have to...That's what players/coaches do all time in this league.

When media asked Harden/McHale about some issues between them, they denied it while both worked together on the same team..A few months later McHale got fired and he finally admitted the problems.

I also doubt they asked Manu a very specific question about Kawhi's personality.

Again, if they were gonna have a meeting, they shouldn't have talked to the media. Just let those things in the locker room like other franchises have done while the player is still on the roster.

[spurs10]

You need to go back and re visit those videos (Manu/TP)--They said nothing to question KL character or willingness to suit up and play. TP was just sticking up for the medical staff and Manu was being honest because the team needs to move on from waiting on KL to comeback this year from his injury. I did feel that Tony was responding to negative speculation about he Spurs medical staff. My ad nauseum response to all this is- if Kawhi had been told he needed surgery and was hurt as 'bad' as TP this would be a different story. He'd have just been out 8 months without all the drama of 'maybe coming back.'

[YGWHI]

Manu was being honest because the team needs to move on from waiting on KL to comeback this year from his injury.

It's clear the team needed to move on, he was right. But he also talked about Kawhi's "personality", about him not being "involved with the team", he just "focus on his game..."
There was no need of that.

Can't remember an NBA player talking this way about a teammate in last years. Esp when the teammate is the franchise player.

[weebo]

I did feel that Tony was responding to negative speculation about he Spurs medical staff. My ad nauseum response to all this is- if Kawhi had been told he needed surgery and was hurt as 'bad' as TP this would be a different story. He'd have just been out 8 months without all the drama of 'maybe coming back.'

Well, we really don't know how serious his injury is because all we know is that it's a quad injury. It might come out in the offseason that he needs surgery but the Spurs or KL wanted to take a conservative approach instead of opting for surgery this preseason.

Regardless, someone in the Spurs medical staff or KL camp misdiagnosed the severity of the injury and KL is rehabbing thinking he might still play this year.

I've said it before--all this drama we're hearing with KL/PATFO is just "fake news" fabricated by the media--No where have a seen or heard Pop or KL/camp say they're moving on and looking for a fresh start.

If KL wanted out or if the Spurs wanted KL gone, KL would be playing on some other team right now. They had plenty of time to make a deal prior to the trading deadline.

[weebo]

It's clear the team needed to move on, he was right. But he also talked about Kawhi's "personality", about him not being "involved with the team", he just "focus on his game..."
There was no need of that.

Can't remember an NBA player talking this way about a teammate in last years. Esp when the teammate is the franchise player.

Nothing that Manu said in that interview was to take a shot at KL--same with that infamous team meeting--same as when Manu propped up LA for playing after tweaking his knee--same as when Pop said he would have to think about inserting a player that's missed so much of the season--etc.

If KL was as butt hurt as some of you TMZ fags, do you think he would be in NY rehabbing this late in the season? He would just call it a day and take himself out the rest of the season. Why go through all this drama if your plan is just to sit out the year? It doesn't make sense.

[gilmor]

LMAO the way his teammates are treating him :lol

Kawhi is handling this wrong. SA has been amazingly gracious shielding Kawhi from having to answer for his actions/absence along with being patient.

I haven't seen a player as china doll as Kawhi.. either you retire or you suit up to play.. bottom line

Duncan and DRob played until their wheels fell off..

[YGWHI]

Nothing that Manu said in that interview was to take a shot at KL
Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't matter. Other players don't talk about the franchise player. It hurts the franchise generating uncertainty and speculation.

I said "can't remember an NBA player talking this way about a teammate in last years. Esp when the teammate is the franchise player"...Can you?


If KL was as butt hurt as some of you TMZ fags, do you think he would be in NY rehabbing this late in the season? He would just call it a day and take himself out the rest of the season. Why go through all this drama if your plan is just to sit out the year? It doesn't make sense.

Unlike other people here I never doubted about Kawhi's work ethic and his intentions to keep playing for the Spurs.

"TMZ fags"?? You seem mad...Why? C'mon. We're just talking

[weebo]

Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't matter. Other players don't talk about the franchise player. It hurts the franchise generating uncertainty and speculation.

I said "can't remember an NBA player talking this way about a teammate in last years. Esp when the teammate is the franchise player"...Can you?



Unlike other people here I never doubted about Kawhi's work ethic and his intentions to keep playing for the Spurs.

"TMZ fags"?? You seem mad...Why? C'mon. We're just talking

Manu was responding to a question that was asked. He didn't pull quotes out of his ass at random or tweet some bullshit just to take a shot at KL.

And why would I be mad? This place has turned into TMZ, just calling it like it is--the great majority of you here prefer gossip over facts. Everything that the media has spouted is gossip. Again, show me proof where KL has said he does not want to play for the Spurs or PATFO say they will look into trading KL?

[south side spur]

Yes, they have to...That's what players/coaches do all time in this league.

When media asked Harden/McHale about some issues between them, they denied it while both worked together on the same team..A few months later McHale got fired and he finally admitted the problems.

I also doubt they asked Manu a very specific question about Kawhi's personality.

Again, if they were gonna have a meeting, they shouldn't have talked to the media. Just let those things in the locker room like other franchises have done while the player is still on the roster.

1) Don’t compare the Spurs to other franchises. That’s what makes this organization the greatest in team sports. They don’t adhere to the status quo of this leagues bullshit 2) I hope Kawhi isn’t as much of a snowflake as his Kawhite knights. The truth can’t be heard especially if it places him in a negative light. Tony had a ruptured tendon Kawhi didn’t. Everyone knows that but oh please don’t verbalize it lets pretend it never happened. Victim role bullshit.

That’s how life works. If you don’t speak then a narrative is created for you regardless. If you don’t like it it’s simple. Speak up. Even that doesn’t always work but at least your voice is out there. Obviously Kawhi’s interview didn’t stop the circus his condition created and that’s on him no one else. But you Kawhite knights will never accept that. Victim role bullshit.

The Spurs are the standard when handling injuries and the media is actually starting to question their competency so guess what? The organization isn’t going to just remain silent like Kawhi and let a narrative be created. That’s total horseshit.

Of course you’re going to doubt Ginobili and even if he was asked a specific question it wouldn’t matter. You’d still make up some victim role bullshit about how Kawhi is being portrayed. It can never be about how the team actually feels about this circus because they don’t fucking matter fuck their feelings right? It’s all about Kawhi’s apparent fragile psyche that’s all that matters to you.

[YGWHI]

Manu was responding to a question that was asked. He didn't pull quotes out of his ass at random or tweet some bullshit just to take a shot at KL.

No one asked him about Kawhi's personality or his relationship with the team. They just asked if he expected Kawhi to come back...


And why would I be mad? This place has turned into TMZ, just calling it like it is--the great majority of you here prefer gossip over facts. Everything that the media has spouted is gossip. Again, show me proof where KL has said he does not want to play for the Spurs or PATFO say they will look into trading KL?
I agree with you about media creating drama. I've said the same thing about this saga, I posted all time how media rumors have manipulated us.

I'm just saying, this was an interview, it wasn't gossip.

[YGWHI]

That’s how life works. If you don’t speak then a narrative is created for you regardless.
Teammates shouldn't help to create media narratives.


if he was asked a specific question it wouldn’t matter.
He wasn't asked about Kawhi's personality. They asked him if he expected Kawhi to come back...


You’d still make up some victim role bullshit about how Kawhi is being portrayed. It can never be about how the team actually feels about this circus because they don’t fucking matter fuck their feelings right? It’s all about Kawhi’s apparent fragile psyche that’s all that matters to you.
What's victim role? This isn't just about Kawhi.

We shouldn't approve now something we criticized in the past about other players and teams.

I'd say the same thing if it was Kawhi talking about Manu or any other teammate in public.

[tholdren]

It's clear the team needed to move on, he was right. But he also talked about Kawhi's "personality", about him not being "involved with the team", he just "focus on his game..."
There was no need of that.

Can't remember an NBA player talking this way about a teammate in last years. Esp when the teammate is the franchise player.

Not a franchise player, as we all can see from this drama. Hes basically melo, but dumber and better on d

[weebo]

No one asked him about Kawhi's personality or his relationship with the team. They just asked if he expected Kawhi to come back...


I agree with you about media creating drama. I've said the same thing about this saga, I posted all time how media rumors have manipulated us.

I'm just saying, this was an interview, it wasn't gossip.

Again, re visit the video. Nothing Manu said was to take a shot at KL. He was asked about his own perspective on what it's like to be away from the team and how hard it is for someone like KL who isn't very social--Manu went as far as to compliment KL for his work ethic and focus and concluded by saying that it would be harder for him to feel like he's part of the team (because of his introverted nature) when you're away from the team rehabbing and not playing, away from team meetings, etc.

[south side spur]

Teammates shouldn't help to create media narratives.


He wasn't asked about Kawhi's personality. They asked him if he expected Kawhi to come back...

We shouldn't approve now something we criticized in the past about other players and teams.

I'd say the same thing if it was Kawhi talking about Manu or any other teammate in public.

As long as you realize that Kawhi not talking deserves more credit than anyone else for creating this circus.

[YGWHI]

Again, re visit the video. Nothing Manu said was to take a shot at KL. He was asked about his own perspective on what it's like to be away from the team and how hard it is for someone like KL who isn't very social--Manu went as far as to compliment KL for his work ethic and focus and concluded by saying that it would be harder for him to feel like he's part of the team (because of his introverted nature) when you're away from the team rehabbing and not playing, away from team meetings, etc.
I re-read Tom Orsborn article and re-watched the vid while posting this...Sorry I disagree, we don't see this in the same way but it's fine.

[DPG21920]

Yes, they have to...That's what players/coaches do all time in this league.

When media asked Harden/McHale about some issues between them, they denied it while both worked together on the same team..A few months later McHale got fired and he finally admitted the problems.

I also doubt they asked Manu a very specific question about Kawhi's personality.

Again, if they were gonna have a meeting, they shouldn't have talked to the media. Just let those things in the locker room like other franchises have done while the player is still on the roster.

If you are going to go by this logic (meaning what is the “norm”) then how are you not all over Kawhi for not being a leader or present? What Kawhi is doing is the opposite of almost every other player. Not being there at the games, ducking from interviews as the face of the franchise, not being a team events, etc...

Fair is fair and you cannot knock players being asked questions because Kawhi is refusing to do interviews and then not knock Kawhi.

[DPG21920]

Yes, they have to...That's what players/coaches do all time in this league.

When media asked Harden/McHale about some issues between them, they denied it while both worked together on the same team..A few months later McHale got fired and he finally admitted the problems.

I also doubt they asked Manu a very specific question about Kawhi's personality.

Again, if they were gonna have a meeting, they shouldn't have talked to the media. Just let those things in the locker room like other franchises have done while the player is still on the roster.

Also you keep blaming sa and not Kawhi for everything. Who do you think is leaking this stuff to Woj? Could definitely be Kawhi’s camp and there have been more than enough rumors about that to give it real authority.

[YGWHI]

Who do you think is leaking this stuff to Woj? Could definitely be Kawhi’s camp and there have been more than enough rumors about that to give it real authority.

Kawhi's camp? Woj didn't say anything that can give Kawhi the benefit of doubt. In fact, it was the opposite.

Woj is just ESPN disrupting everything for other interests.

You know that and posted about...There are many teams that would love to have Kawhi for a lower price this next summer.

[YGWHI]

If you are going to go by this logic (meaning what is the “norm”) then how are you not all over Kawhi for not being a leader or present? What Kawhi is doing is the opposite of almost every other player. Not being there at the games, ducking from interviews as the face of the franchise, not being a team events, etc...
Not sure why you say he wasn't in home games. He was. The few times he wasn't there it was because his baby girl was sick or he was training in NYC/SD.

He was in team's events. He was in Food Bank dinner in January, not sure what's other events they had in the last months.

Also, he gave an interview. Maybe people want Kawhi to gives 10 a week but he's not that guy. Anyway, he said he was injured, he said he was working to return but couldn't step-backs anymore, he was positive about being a Spur for life.


Fair is fair and you cannot knock players being asked questions because Kawhi is refusing to do interviews and then not knock Kawhi.

I can when they talk about things they shouldn't in public.


Also you keep blaming sa and not Kawhi for everything.

Not really. But there are people here blaming Kawhi for everything too. I've said before when there is a communication problem is not just one part's fault. Both sides had issues about this.

Do you want Kawhi to talk more often?

-What's if he really feels like Spurs' medical staff made a mistake in last summer. It doesn't matter if they did or not. I'm just saying if Kawhi feels that way...Do you want him throwing them under the buss in public? Saying he asked for a 2nd opinion in NYC because doesn't trust in Spurs doctors anymore?

-What's if reporters ask him about Manu's comments about not being involved with the team? What if Kawhi says he doesn't get why Manu could have said it because he was calling and texting his teammates all time -like Danny Green already told media- creating controversy between him and Manu.

-Two weeks ago Pop told media that Kawhi's doctors didn't cleared him...What's if reporters ask him if he liked how Pop changed it and called his doctors "group"?...The last time a coach called "group" "posse" a player's camp it was a scandal.

Nah...I like his silence. I'd love Spurs's silence too, instead of hearing players keep talking to the media about him. This team has always been secretive, why start talking?

Keep talking to the media doesn't help to dispel rumors, only opens the door more and more to reporters.

[Keepin' it real]

I haven't seen a player as china doll as Kawhi.. either you retire or you suit up to play.. bottom line

Duncan and DRob played until their wheels fell off..

B-b-but tendinopathy. It's so mysterious. Ouch!

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/a4/a4cf0f74779531b3957d21b693a65a3cda7b689a1b6a2c0f05 e631e057e9b8ad.jpg

[dbestpro]

All things considered, and from the information provided to the public one must ask the question, is Leonard mentally stable.

[TheDoctor]

All things considered, and from the information provided to the public one must ask the question, is Leonard mentally stable.
It’s a legit Q and worrisome to some extent.

[DPG21920]

Kawhi's camp? Woj didn't say anything that can give Kawhi the benefit of doubt. In fact, it was the opposite.

Woj is just ESPN disrupting everything for other interests.

You know that and posted about...There are many teams that would love to have Kawhi for a lower price this next summer.

Woj is disrupting things at the request of Kawhi’s camp IMO. They want to cast a doubt on SA so that player fans won’t get mad at Kawhi if he leaves.

[DPG21920]

Not sure why you say he wasn't in home games. He was. The few times he wasn't there it was because his baby girl was sick or he was training in NYC/SD.

He was in team's events. He was in Food Bank dinner in January, not sure what's other events they had in the last months.

Also, he gave an interview. Maybe people want Kawhi to gives 10 a week but he's not that guy. Anyway, he said he was injured, he said he was working to return but couldn't step-backs anymore, he was positive about being a Spur for life.



I can when they talk about things they shouldn't in public.



Not really. But there are people here blaming Kawhi for everything too. I've said before when there is a communication problem is not just one part's fault. Both sides had issues about this.

Do you want Kawhi to talk more often?

-What's if he really feels like Spurs' medical staff made a mistake in last summer. It doesn't matter if they did or not. I'm just saying if Kawhi feels that way...Do you want him throwing them under the buss in public? Saying he asked for a 2nd opinion in NYC because doesn't trust in Spurs doctors anymore?

-What's if reporters ask him about Manu's comments about not being involved with the team? What if Kawhi says he doesn't get why Manu could have said it because he was calling and texting his teammates all time -like Danny Green already told media- creating controversy between him and Manu.

-Two weeks ago Pop told media that Kawhi's doctors didn't cleared him...What's if reporters ask him if he liked how Pop changed it and called his doctors "group"?...The last time a coach called "group" "posse" a player's camp it was a scandal.

Nah...I like his silence. I'd love Spurs's silence too, instead of hearing players keep talking to the media about him. This team has always been secretive, why start talking?

Keep talking to the media doesn't help to dispel rumors, only opens the door more and more to reporters.

The only person who failed as a leader to dispel rumors properly is Kawhi. It’s solely on him and his stunning lack of communication to his teammates (many of them) and the media is the singular cause of all the “drama”

[duncan2k5]

Woj is disrupting things at the request of Kawhi’s camp IMO. They want to cast a doubt on SA so that player fans won’t get mad at Kawhi if he leaves.

This makes no sense... The things WOJ reported were negative to Kawhi... Only an idiot would think Kawhi's camp wants stuff out about Kawhi that makes him look bad... All leaks look like they're coming from the Spurs... Everything that is reported from Kawhi's camp has actually been said that that's where the source is from... The other things about the team being frustrated, etc is coming from the spurs

[DPG21920]

This makes no sense... The things WOJ reported were negative to Kawhi... Only an idiot would think Kawhi's camp wants stuff out about Kawhi that makes him look bad... All leaks look like they're coming from the Spurs... Everything that is reported from Kawhi's camp has actually been said that that's where the source is from... The other things about the team being frustrated, etc is coming from the spurs

They aren’t negative to Kawhi at all. They are negative to the Spurs. Spurs doctors mis-diagnosed him so it forced Kawhi to get a 2nd opinion.

Kawhi has been training “hard” to come back and that’s why he’s not around the team.

Spurs cornered Kawhi in a tense team meeting.

Etc...

[duncan2k5]

The only person who failed as a leader to dispel rumors properly is Kawhi. It’s solely on him and his stunning lack of communication to his teammates (many of them) and the media is the singular cause of all the “drama”

How do u know which teammates he hasn't talked to, and the frequency at which he talked to them? Pop said he and Kawhi talks everyday... Green said the same... Kawhi never talks to the media, and he did in this case... What do u want him to do? Check in every day like he is in school? He has more important things to do than to convince ppl of things he has already said enough times already... Show me when Durant kept doing interviews the year he was out with his injury... And Kawhi is even more reclusive... Not to mention the Spurs medical teams travels with Kawhi... If he was so disconnected, why is that the case? I hate all of you... Seriously

[DPG21920]

How do u know which teammates he hasn't talked to, and the frequency at which he talked to them? Pop said he and Kawhi talks everyday... Green said the same... Kawhi never talks to the media, and he did in this case... What do u want him to do? Check in every day like he is in school? He has more important things to do than to convince ppl of things he has already said enough times already... Show me when Durant kept doing interviews the year he was out with his injury... And Kawhi is even more reclusive... Not to mention the Spurs medical teams travels with Kawhi... If he was so disconnected, why is that the case? I hate all of you... Seriously

Cool, where the last part is concerned it’s easy, log out and don’t return. You won’t be missed I promise you that.

[duncan2k5]

Cool, where the last part is concerned it’s easy, log out and don’t return. You won’t be missed I promise you that.

Hmmm...

[DPG21920]

Hmmm...

If you hate everyone here, it’s a pretty easy decision tbh..

[spursistan]

All things considered, and from the information provided to the public one must ask the question, is Leonard mentally stable.
It is a tricky but suddenly a legitimate question to ask..

For the first time, the whole descriptives of his Leonard character as being "introvert", "robotic", etc are no longer a benign feature as it's been revealed in this context...

The fact that he's seemingly unaware or oblivious to the immense distraction his injury saga has caused to the team opens the door for some uncomfortable questions about his mental makeup..

Personally, i don't think he is a complete villain, but I'm fairly convinced that "his group" took over after seizing on potential internal anxiety/frustration that may have beset him throughout the rehab..

One wonders who are the hired medical hacks that he's been consulting for about a week now in New York. It is almost like they are begging the Spurs to announce his ruling out for the rest of the year, which, San Antonio, are cleverly refusing to do because they smell the bullshit..

[duncan2k5]

It is a tricky but suddenly a legitimate question to ask..

For the first time, the whole descriptives of his Leonard character as being "introvert", "robotic", etc are no longer a benign feature as it's been revealed in this context...

The fact that he's seemingly unaware or oblivious to the immense distraction his injury saga has caused to the team opens the door for some uncomfortable questions about his mental makeup..

Personally, i don't think he is a complete villain, but I'm fairly convinced that "his group" took over after seizing on potential internal anxiety/frustration that may have beset him throughout the rehab..

One wonders who are the hired medical hacks that he's been consulting for about a week now in New York. It is almost like they are begging the Spurs to announce his ruling out for the rest of the year, which, San Antonio, are cleverly refusing to do because they smell the bullshit..

WILD baseless assumptions

[YGWHI]

Woj is disrupting things at the request of Kawhi’s camp IMO.
Woj cast doubts on SA in his articles about this? Nah...He's questioning Kawhi all time, his future health, his personality...I'd say this guy is discrediting Kawhi all time to decrease his value in the market helping Woj's-big markets friends..

Woj is ESPN's version of our tholdren (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=29395)


They want to cast a doubt on SA so that player fans won’t get mad at Kawhi if he leaves.
You know this doesn't make sense.

If you really believe Kawhi wants to leave...Do you think his camp would care about SA's players fans?

He'll have others with the new team...Also, his camp know they shouldn't worry...SA fans don't have Kawhi's jerseys to burn. If you look at threads about people buying Kawhi's jerseys and stuff, it's not exactly SA a hot place...I was the only one here who said that had a The Klaw hoodie and some jerseys. One guy among 50-100 posting about him.

Nah..I doubt "fans get mad" is a reason.

[YGWHI]

The only person who failed as a leader to dispel rumors properly is Kawhi. It’s solely on him and his stunning lack of communication to his teammates (many of them) and the media is the singular cause of all the “drama”

To dispel rumors properly? He already said:

-he's injured

-he's working to return

-he's in contact with Pop

-he wants to be a Spur for life

What else do you want him to say? What else he can say to dispel rumors "propely"?

Don't be that naive. There is nothing that Kawhi can say to stop the media because there are many interests at stake

If you can't admit a single SAS mistake and think it's all on Kawhi, you are the same extremist that you see in me. on the opposite side.

But there is a difference, I can see issues on both parties, not just Kawhi, not just SA.

[duncan2k5]

To dispel rumors properly? He already said:

-he's injured

-he's working to return

-he's in contact with Pop

-he wants to be a Spur for life

What else do you want him to say? What else he can say to dispel rumors "propely"?

Don't be that naive. There is nothing that Kawhi can say to stop the media because there are many interests at stake

If you can't admit a single SAS mistake and think it's all on Kawhi, you are the same extremist that you see in me. on the opposite side.

But there is a difference, I can see issues on both parties, not just Kawhi, not just SA.

Exactly

[tholdren]

To dispel rumors properly? He already said:

-he's injured

-he's working to return

-he's in contact with Pop

-he wants to be a Spur for life

What else do you want him to say? What else he can say to dispel rumors "propely"?

Don't be that naive. There is nothing that Kawhi can say to stop the media because there are many interests at stake

If you can't admit a single SAS mistake and think it's all on Kawhi, you are the same extremist that you see in me. on the opposite side.

But there is a difference, I can see issues on both parties, not just Kawhi, not just SA.

Lol. He cries. Too sore. Needs more rest. Total loser

[SuperCam]

Exactly

do you sit on YGWHI's d1ck while you two semen shield for Kiwi 24/7 ?

[spursistan]

Him taking a pass on a redemption story vs Golden State is going to be very telling.

Look for many other stories to get leaked if their relationships end up in divorce. Right now I am very interested in learning if his ankle injury in last year series was serious enough that he couldn't play or was it just another case of him "not being ready" to do it..

[dbreiden83080]

If they trade him and he balls out next year, yes everyone will blame the Spurs for the whole thing, BUT I don't know what they could have done differently? He was rested and rested and rested some more. They were cautious when he came back, and then took himself out of the line up. Then he was rested and rested some more. At the end of the day, I think KL is a very strange dude. Nothing about this ever made sense, looking at it from a common sense point of view.

[daslicer]

If they trade him and he balls out next year, yes everyone will blame the Spurs for the whole thing, BUT I don't know what they could have done differently? He was rested and rested and rested some more. They were cautious when he came back, and then took himself out of the line up. Then he was rested and rested some more. At the end of the day, I think KL is a very strange dude. Nothing about this ever made sense, looking at it from a common sense point of view.

Spurs were put in a bad situation with Kawhi being a dumb mute and controlled by a power crazy Uncle. The Spurs only crime is they are in San Antonio and not Los Angeles. That is the ultimate problem for Kawhi's camp.

[rjv]

good question; i'll post my response somewhere between june and august.

[tholdren]

I was not wrong. On this take or any

[duncan2k5]

Him taking a pass on a redemption story vs Golden State is going to be very telling.

Look for many other stories to get leaked if their relationships end up in divorce. Right now I am very interested in learning if his ankle injury in last year series was serious enough that he couldn't play or was it just another case of him "not being ready" to do it..

You sound like a fucking dumbfuck... He stayed in the game after his SECOND ankle injury... He left after the third (Zaza) if he was purposefully sitting out, he would have done it long time ago... Now I see why ppl hate us... We have some dumb fans

[spursistan]

Bump..

Duncan 2.0 :lmao..

[SuperCam]

Kool Bob Love and Play Boban called it long before anyone else tbh :toast

[spursistan]

And hey...Pop and co. also seemingly got him wrong all along.. I don't think they ever saw this coming as far as the inherent cancerous elements in his behavior/personality.

[FkLA]

20+ years of continued excellence brought to the ground by a selfish, cancerous, piece of shit autist.

[spursistan]

20+ years of continued excellence brought to the ground by a selfish, cancerous, piece of shit autist.
I'm still fuckin' incredulous that this fuckboy is gonna be the one who will ruin it all :lol.

[SpursforSix]

:pop: at least it'll take your minds off the Gasol and Mills contracts.

[palangi]

And hey...Pop and co. also seemingly got him wrong all along.. I don't think they ever saw this coming as far as the inherent cancerous elements in his behavior/personality.

Shit, pop the front office and our culture is what is wrong.

[davidbowie]

even before 2014 my father in law used to tell me kawhi would leave

"he wants to be in LA"

we all used to eye roll and thought he was being annoying and contrary on purpose. which he prob was. but now i'll never hear the end of it from that bastard.

thanks a lot kawhi. u dickhead

[tholdren]

I was not wrong. On this take or any
Tbh

[Play Boban]

Kool Bob Love and Play Boban called it long before anyone else tbh :toast

:bobo

[BillMc]

:pop: at least it'll take your minds off the Gasol and Mills contracts.
:lol

Without that annoying Supermax to clog the cap, Patty and Pau can have their new big extensions. Sky's the limit.

[tholdren]

Kool Bob Love and Play Boban called it long before anyone else tbh :toast

I did. Loser

[r0drig0lac]

:lol

Without that annoying Supermax to clog the cap, Patty and Pau can have their new big extensions. Sky's the limit.

brendan paul, for his stellar defense, and forbes, who plays like stephen curry, are next on the list, with two years you already qualify for the famous patfo culture contracts

[BillMc]

brendan paul, for his stellar defense, and forbes, who plays like stephen curry, are next on the list, with two years you already qualify for the famous patfo culture contracts
:lol

Not too late to get Joff back. Whew! That was a close one.

[$pursDynasty]

:pop: at least it'll take your minds off the Gasol and Mills contracts.
I am hoping IF we end up sending him to the Fakers they have to take those two albatrosses as well.

[james evans]

You sound like a fucking dumbfuck... He stayed in the game after his SECOND ankle injury... He left after the third (Zaza) if he was purposefully sitting out, he would have done it long time ago... Now I see why ppl hate us... We have some dumb fans
dumb fans. and most of them are non-melinated who think they own players.

[Silver&Black]

Kool Bob Love (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18065) and Play Boban (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49801) called it long before anyone else tbh :toast
TheGreatYacht was right. He wanted him traded in 2015.

Props to him.

[Play Boban]

The dam has broken, it is time to call a spade a spade..


Kawhi is:

either (a) the softest and most cowardly superstar the game has ever seen (it might actually engender empathy if it is a deeply intricate mental issue).

or (b) a most calculating bastard who is having a hand played on his behalf that's all about the future fortune he could rake in..


Duncan set the gold standard for the concept of a franchise player: it is unreachable-- a kind of utopia really..But to see Leonard fall flat on his face at the first hurdle has been quite shocking for me.

No matter how this turns out, I have already lost respect for this dude. He is not who I thought he was.
I wasn’t wrong.

[tholdren]

I was always right

I am right

[SpursforSix]

:lol

Without that annoying Supermax to clog the cap, Patty and Pau can have their new big extensions. Sky's the limit.

:Pop: no...Tony’s got to get his first. $20,000,000 for year 20. Plus bring some of the boys back. Matty, Rasho, Oberto, and finally make it right with Scola.

[BillMc]

:Pop: no...Tony’s got to get his first. $20,000,000 for year 20. Plus bring some of the boys back. Matty, Rasho, Oberto, and finally make it right with Scola.
:lol

[offset formation]

:Pop: no...Tony’s got to get his first. $20,000,000 for year 20. Plus bring some of the boys back. Matty, Rasho, Oberto, and finally make it right with Scola.

You realize by bringing up those guys, and by default all the other guys similar to them, you just completely undercut your asinine point about loyalty contracts?? Lol.

Pau's was a bad contract. Patty's actually wasn't--not bad for your second leading scorer, at all actually. But gmafb with this shit.

One or two bad contracts are going to happen in 20 plus years of sheer dominance.

And guess what, this is the last bad year of Pau's contract. Then we reset with mostly all young talent. Without having ever even missed the playoffs. Such a lazy critique that I get sick of seeing.

[tholdren]

TheGreatYacht was right. He wanted him traded in 2015.

Props to him.

I did, when he stole fmvp. I am always right.

[spursistan]

Even if this get sorted out somehow, does anybody still trust this dude? He is clearly a mental weakling under the spell of an outside authoritative personality in his life..

So the the Spurs are basically at the mercy of Uncle Dennis whims going forward.

[SpursWoman]

Spectacularly wrong, apparently.

[FkLA]

^sup, MILF?

[sasaint]

:pop: at least it'll take your minds off the Gasol and Mills contracts.

Well played.

[spursistan]

What kinda of crass creature is he to refuse to meet with a still bereaving Pop? How can someone tell me this dude is mentally stable/normal?

[DMC]

^sup, MILF?

Come on man, remember which side of the wall you're on.

[AztecSpur]

If you were smart you'd get rid of Parker in hopes of signing KL.

[DMC]

If you were smart you'd get rid of Parker in hopes of signing KL.

KL's Uncle's burner acct ^

[TimDunkem]

If you were smart you'd get rid of Parker in hopes of signing KL.

Sup, Unc Dennis.

[buttsR4rebounding]

We thought we had the next Tim Duncan, but instead we got the next Carlos Boozer.

[tholdren]

We thought we had the next Tim Duncan, but instead we got the next Carlos Boozer.

I didnt

[SpursforSix]

You realize by bringing up those guys, and by default all the other guys similar to them, you just completely undercut your asinine point about loyalty contracts?? Lol.

Pau's was a bad contract. Patty's actually wasn't--not bad for your second leading scorer, at all actually. But gmafb with this shit.

One or two bad contracts are going to happen in 20 plus years of sheer dominance.

And guess what, this is the last bad year of Pau's contract. Then we reset with mostly all young talent. Without having ever even missed the playoffs. Such a lazy critique that I get sick of seeing.

:pop: go fuck yourself

[spursistan]

Incredible scenes. One of the most shocking twists in narratives surrounding a star player the NBA has ever seen..

He flat quit on Pop and the Spurs organization and he's headed to Toronto with his money and reputation circling around the drain..

[superbigtime]

I was as wrong as it gets. Still dumbfounded.