Whose side are you on? Kawhi vs PATFO

[apalisoc_9]

The facts

- Kawhi was misdaganosed medically by incompetent spurs doctors that forced him to play endangering his livelihood
- Kawhi is now cleared to play but refuses to play

The rumors

- Kawhi is unhappy with the Patty and Gasol Extension
- Kawhi is unhappy with the lack of recognition

[SpurPadre]

They're both at fault but I think most of the blame should go to Kawhi's soft, bitch-made ass, tbh.

[spursistan]

They're both at fault but I think most of the blame should go to Kawhi's soft, bitch-made ass, tbh.

[r0drig0lac]

The facts

- Kawhi was misdaganosed medically by incompetent spurs doctors that forced him to play endangering his livelihood
- Kawhi is now cleared to play but refuses to play

The rumors

- Kawhi is unhappy with the Patty and Gasol Extension
- Kawhi is unhappy with the lack of recognition

me too

[Keepin' it real]

I'm on the Spurs' side.

[TimDunkem]

Neither.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Ugh I hate the front office RN, but kawhi is being soft and over conservative imho. This isn't an acl or anything it's just a sore quad.

[Emperor]

Kawhi playing chess while PATFO playing checkers.

[TimDunkem]

Kawhi playing chess while PATFO plays with their poop.
FIFY

[dbreiden83080]

They're both at fault but I think most of the blame should go to Kawhi's soft, bitch-made ass, tbh.

How in any way are the Spurs to blame? He was cleared to play like 25 times and won't. Pop babies his players injuries. Tim played 20 years here and never had one issue with anyone over anything like this. KL is soft. Soft as fuck. Bottom line..

[Dex]

I don't understand why people feel like you have to pick a side.

The Spurs are frustrated. Kawhi is frustrated. The fans are frustrated.

The situation is frustrating.

Fuck Kawhi's uncle, tbh.

[r0drig0lac]

I don't understand why people feel like you have to pick a side.

The Spurs are frustrated. Kawhi is frustrated. The fans are frustrated.

The situation is frustrating.

Fuck Kawhi's uncle, tbh.

exactly, wishing that Kawhi came out of the spurs without being sure what's happening does not make sense

[SAGirl]

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[apalisoc_9]

The spurs went from a 60 win team to under 50. That's how good kawhi was.

Lol at SAgirl having an orgasm about all this just because oceanhead can now play some minutes without kawhi.

The Spurs suck without kawhi is a fact. Universehead fangirl :lol

[DPG21920]

Spurs don’t suck without Kawhi. If the Spurs suck, that means you have to think that: CLE, PHI, IND, WAS, MIA, MIL, OKC, NO, MIN, UTA, DEN & LAC really suck because they all have the same or WORSE records than San Antonio without Kawhi all year.

Many of those teams, like OKC, have had their superstars healthy all year too.

[apalisoc_9]

Spurs don’t suck without Kawhi. If the Spurs suck, that means you have to think that: CLE, PHI, IND, WAS, MIA, MIL, OKC, NO, MIN, UTA, DEN & LAC really suck because they all have the same or WORSE records than San Antonio without Kawhi all year.

Many of those teams, like OKC, have had their superstars healthy all year too.

Anyteam that undergoes a 20+ win defferential because theyir star sat out suck. I dont know know what your def of suckage is but this season alone proved that last couple years the spurs have been super depedant on Kawhi.

[apalisoc_9]

So yeah. They do suck otherwise theyd at least maintain 50.

[SAGirl]

The spurs went from a 60 win team to under 50. That's how good kawhi was.

Lol at SAgirl having an orgasm about all this just because oceanhead can now play some minutes without kawhi.

The Spurs suck without kawhi is a fact. Universehead fangirl :lol
Just figured the fact they clinched their 21 straight winning season would stand out more than Kyle being a footnote.

Clearly the team is not a sub .500 team at this point. That is what is relevant here.
Now obviously the team wants him back and when healthy he's a legit MVP... that is not in dispute.

I am in no one's side really. But no matter where Kawhi plays next season (or Kyle for that matter) I will still be a Spurs fan. So I guess I am with the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

Anyteam that undergoes a 20+ win defferential because theyir star sat out suck. I dont know know what your def of suckage is but this season alone proved that last couple years the spurs have been super depedant on Kawhi.

Spurs can be great with Kawhi, but still being just as good or better than all the teams I listed (mostly with super stars fully healthy too) clearly shows they don’t suck. At all.

They aren’t championship material but that is a wide gulf from “suck”.

So you are basically saying there are only 3-4 teams in the nba that don’t suck then. Listen to yourself.

[Dex]

Anyteam that undergoes a 20+ win defferential because theyir star sat out suck. I dont know know what your def of suckage is but this season alone proved that last couple years the spurs have been super depedant on Kawhi.

Any team is going to be dependent on a top 5 talent.

Remove James, Harden, or Westbrook from their teams and see how they would look.

[apalisoc_9]

Just figured the fact they clinched their 21 straight winning season would stand out more than Kyle being a footnote.

Clearly the team is not a sub .500 team at this point. That is what is relevant here.
Now obviously the team wants him back and when healthy he's a legit MVP... that is not in dispute.

I am in no one's side really. But no matter where Kawhi plays next season (or Kyle for that matter) I will still be a Spurs fan. So I guess I am with the Spurs.

Clinching a winning season is irrelevant. They want from a 60 win team to a 40 is what is relevant.

In short, this team has 40 win players and the only difference last year and the year befpre that is kawhi.

The spurs are awful. The worse they have been in 25 years.

[apalisoc_9]

Any team is going to be dependent on a top 5 talent.

Remove James, Harden, or Westbrook from their teams and see how they would look.

BS. Westbrook isnt leading his team to 60 is he?

The myth that poop can carry anyteam to 50 is now busted. And we can finally rest the idea that the spurs actually have a decent rooster and that kawhi is surrounded by a decent rooster. He is not.

[TheGreatYacht]

The spurs went from a 60 win team to under 50. That's how good kawhi was.

Lol at SAgirl having an orgasm about all this just because oceanhead can now play some minutes without kawhi.

The Spurs suck without kawhi is a fact. Universehead fangirl :lol
:lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Whatever it is, the damage is done. Both Kawhi and Spurs need a fresh start..Kawhi to LA for a fresh start and Spurs to Seatle.

[Skoobz]

They're both at fault but I think most of the blame should go to Kawhi's soft, bitch-made ass, tbh.

[ducks]

Lma gets this team to 50 wins with 9 games only with Leonard
Spurs could trade him straight up for harden

Anderson has improved A lot because he now has to play

[K...]

This team would get 55 wins of we could game plan around the loss of Leonard. We'd have developed the pg rotation better. And had more cap room. Dead weight Leonard is better of course, the Spurs lose 3-10 games due to Leonard's psychological warfare

This whole thread is just apo trying to substitute his preferences over kawhi like he's his second Uncle

[DPG21920]

BS. Westbrook isnt leading his team to 60 is he?

The myth that poop can carry anyteam to 50 is now busted. And we can finally rest the idea that the spurs actually have a decent rooster and that kawhi is surrounded by a decent rooster. He is not.

Bruh - they are at 42 wins with 10 games to go :lol. So if they finish a few short of 50 because that’s how things go, you “busted” that myth? GTFO

[apalisoc_9]

Bruh - they are at 42 wins with 10 games to go :lol. So if they finish a few short of 50 because that’s how things go, you “busted” that myth? GTFO

Well duh. So can we say they were a 70 win team then a year ago cause you know they jist finished under 70..

50ish win team is a team that is comfortbly winning 50..

The spurs are struggling to even win 45. They suck donkey balls with piss poor talent.

[coachmac87]

New Poll...


OP is a faggot?

Yes or No

[Dex]

This team would get 55 wins of we could game plan around the loss of Leonard. We'd have developed the pg rotation better. And had more cap room. Dead weight Leonard is better of course, the Spurs lose 3-10 games due to Leonard's psychological warfare

This whole thread is just apo trying to substitute his preferences over kawhi like he's his second Uncle

Not trying to shift blame on Kawhi, because I still believe he would rather be healthy on the court.

But yeah...him being out basically leaves a $20M gap for the product on the floor. And some posters wonder why we aren't winning as many games.

[NASpurs]

Not trying to shift blame on Kawhi, because I still believe he would rather be healthy on the court.

But yeah...him being out basically leaves a $20M gap for the product on the floor. And some posters wonder why we aren't winning as many games.

I don’t think anyone wonders that. I think people wonder why is much of our cap space tied up to basically two backup point guards and the corpse of Pau Gasol even before all the Kawhi fiasco.

[tholdren]

They're both at fault but I think most of the blame should go to Kawhi's soft, bitch-made ass, tbh.

Been saying for years

[r0drig0lac]

I don’t think anyone wonders that. I think people wonder why is much of our cap space tied up to basically two backup point guards and the corpse of Pau Gasol even before all the Kawhi fiasco.

[dbreiden83080]

The facts

- Kawhi was misdaganosed medically by incompetent spurs doctors that forced him to play endangering his livelihood


Misdiagnosed what? They diagnosed he had a penis and it turns out it's a vagina? He has never had surgery. He went to see other Doctors and still did not have surgery. Anyone suggesting the Spurs did anything wrong causing this are trolling. Every doctor from SA to NY has told this idiot to play. He is SOFT. That is why he won't..



The rumors

- Kawhi is unhappy with the Patty and Gasol Extension
- Kawhi is unhappy with the lack of recognition

None of that equals not playing ball. Kyrie was apparently unhappy as soon as Lebron came back to town. He balled the fuck out, won a ring, and played great last year as well going back to the finals. THEN he asked for a trade in the off-season. What is the point of laying down and not playing when you can? How does it benefit him to plummet his value? He is out because he is SOFT. He could be playing in LA and it would be the same shit. "My quad hurts"..

[tholdren]

Misdiagnosed what? They diagnosed he had a penis and it turns out it's a vagina? He has never had surgery. He went to see other Doctors and still did not have surgery. Anyone suggesting the Spurs did anything wrong causing this are trolling. Every doctor from SA to NY has told this idiot to play. He is SOFT. That is why he won't..



None of that equals not playing ball. Kyrie was apparently unhappy as soon as Lebron came back to town. He balled the fuck out, won a ring, and played great last year as well going back to the finals. THEN he asked for a trade in the off-season. What is the point of laying down and not playing when you can? How does it benefit him to plummet his value? He is out because he is SOFT. He could be playing in LA and it would be the same shit. "My quad hurts"..

+1

[TimDunkem]

Misdiagnosed what? They diagnosed he had a penis and it turns out it's a vagina? He has never had surgery. He went to see other Doctors and still did not have surgery. Anyone suggesting the Spurs did anything wrong causing this are trolling. Every doctor from SA to NY has told this idiot to play. He is SOFT. That is why he won't..



None of that equals not playing ball. Kyrie was apparently unhappy as soon as Lebron came back to town. He balled the fuck out, won a ring, and played great last year as well going back to the finals. THEN he asked for a trade in the off-season. What is the point of laying down and not playing when you can? How does it benefit him to plummet his value? He is out because he is SOFT. He could be playing in LA and it would be the same shit. "My quad hurts"..

I find myself disagreeing with you most of the time, but you're right on the money with this one.

Considering that he has teammates who routinely get hurt, that there are guys coming off of broken bones, shredded knees, and that just about every damn player in the league is sore at this point - there's nothing about his quad that should keep him from coming back for this final stretch of games.

He is being a little bitch, plain and simple, and I was a guy who was on his side right up until this past week.

[Poolboy5623]

Fuck them both tbh..

[dbreiden83080]

I find myself disagreeing with you most of the time, but you're right on the money with this one.

Considering that he has teammates who routinely get hurt, that there are guys coming off of broken bones, shredded knees, and that just about every damn player in the league is sore at this point - there's nothing about his quad that should keep him from coming back for this final stretch of games.

He is being a little bitch, plain and simple, and I was a guy who was on his side right up until this past week.

It just looks like he is not that GUY. Not the GUY you build around, and HELL NO do you Supermax this man after all this. You would be insane to do that. He made 19 mil this year to sit on the bench, and in spite of Doctors telling him to go play, he flat out refused. He owes the Spurs a refund..

[Leetonidas]

PATFO deserves plenty of criticism for their shitty roster construction and management. But as far as this saga with Leonard goes I am fully on the teams side. There's nothing wrong with this dude. He's just being a pussy. His issue is mental not physical imo

[tholdren]

PATFO deserves plenty of criticism for their shitty roster construction and management. But as far as this saga with Leonard goes I am fully on the teams side. There's nothing wrong with this dude. He's just being a pussy. His issue is mental not physical imo

Are those butts real in your sig? Ive always wondered that

[dbreiden83080]

PATFO deserves plenty of criticism for their shitty roster construction and management. But as far as this saga with Leonard goes I am fully on the teams side. There's nothing wrong with this dude. He's just being a pussy. His issue is mental not physical imo


Shitty roster???? We won 61 last year and made the conference finals. We would be doing the same but this hack won't play. 20 years in a row of making the playoffs.. Go be a Knicks fans. Talk about shitty MGT..

[spursistan]

Misdiagnosed what? They diagnosed he had a penis and it turns out it's a vagina? He has never had surgery. He went to see other Doctors and still did not have surgery. Anyone suggesting the Spurs did anything wrong causing this are trolling. Every doctor from SA to NY has told this idiot to play. He is SOFT. That is why he won't..



None of that equals not playing ball. Kyrie was apparently unhappy as soon as Lebron came back to town. He balled the fuck out, won a ring, and played great last year as well going back to the finals. THEN he asked for a trade in the off-season. What is the point of laying down and not playing when you can? How does it benefit him to plummet his value? He is out because he is SOFT. He could be playing in LA and it would be the same shit. "My quad hurts"..

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[Leetonidas]

Shitty roster???? We won 61 last year and made the conference finals. We would be doing the same but this hack won't play. 20 years in a row of making the playoffs.. Go be a Knicks fans. Talk about shitty MGT..

We don't have the same roster from last year. We lost three very productive bench players and replaced them with basically nothing. We handed out ridiculous loyalty contracts to Gasol and mills. We have a team now that plays inside out in 2018 and none of our "three point specialists" can even crack 40% from distance. We rely on fossils to bail us out. And we have no backup big men.

Take off your homer glasses dude. This team is very poorly constructed

[TimDunkem]

We don't have the same roster from last year. We lost three very productive bench players and replaced them with basically nothing. We handed out ridiculous loyalty contracts to Gasol and mills. We have a team now that plays inside out in 2018 and none of our "three point specialists" can even crack 40% from distance. We rely on fossils to bail us out. And we have no backup big men.

Take off your homer glasses dude. This team is very poorly constructed

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[Arcadian]

I withhold choosing a side pending further information.

[Chinook]

We lost three very productive bench players and replaced them with basically nothing.

Simmons doesn't count. He was barely in the rotation for most of last year and has been more than eclipsed by Anderson's larger role. And fuck, White is leaps and bounds better than Jon. I agree about their center rotation taking a hit, but it's not remotely clear they decreased in overall talent. Gay and White should have more than made up for their losses, though having a better center than Joff would have been nice.

I have plenty of issues with the roster construction, but them letting go of detritus and having a ring-chaser retire on them aren't among those reasons.

[Gummi Clutch]

Kawhi would be NOBODY had it not been for the spurs and Poop. Anybody thinking otherwise is a fucking moron. The irony is that the same skills, attitude etc they helped him develop is exactly what he is throwing away, thinking that the small market/low-keyness of the spurs is hurting his brand.

Anybody defending him at THIS* point is a moron. Before this it was ok to speculate, but even Manu of all people has called his bitchmade ass out.

[Joseph Kony]

Simmons doesn't count. He was barely in the rotation for most of last year and has been more than eclipsed by Anderson's larger role. And fuck, White is leaps and bounds better than Jon. I agree about their center rotation taking a hit, but it's not remotely clear they decreased in overall talent. Gay and White should have more than made up for their losses, though having a better center than Joff would have been nice.

I have plenty of issues with the roster construction, but them letting go of detritus and having a ring-chaser retire on them aren't among those reasons.

I don't think it detracts from my point. Whether or not you think Simmons was an actual rotational player or not, he played a fair amount, and having that depth was helpful in certain games. I am not a fan of Simmons and was never one who was upset about him leaving or not getting a fair deal or whatever, but he was a nice slasher off the bench to have, something the spurs do not have at all right now unless you count Manu's old ass. My point is, Spurs bench was much better last year. Part of that is the spurs bench having a more defined role vs this season when players are in and out of the lineups on a nightly basis and part of it is because Manu/Tony are a year older. But the spurs have been able to rest players and coast in the RS because they had a great bench. They lost 3 rotational guys and replaced them with Joff who is terrible, BP3 who doesnt really do anything, and Rudy Gay who i have been a fan of but unfortunately has been underwhelming thus far.

I wasn't necessarily harping on the guys they lost, but the fact they didnt do shit to strengthen the bench. Even if Kawhi was healthy, relying on a post-achilles tear Rudy Gay, post-ruptured quad TP, 53 year old Manu, Kyle "pass on open shots" Anderson, and Bryn Forbes to carry your bench is fucking retarded. Really what im most pissed about is the shit contracts they gave to Pau/Mills which have completely nixed any flexibility we had to make moves. Everything else is a result of that tbh.

I am a big white fan but it doesnt matter if he never plays. And Pop wont play him because :pop: hes a rook and needs to get over himself first

[Down Under]

No other team, bar Golden State, is winning 55% of it's games without it's best player.

[DPG21920]

No other team, bar Golden State, is winning 55% of it's games without it's best player.

Dude, out of the 30 teams in the league this year, most all of them with their best player the entire season, only 5 teams have a better record than SA in the loss or win column :lol

So of course almost any other team missing their best player let alone Kawhi level players would not win like SA has.

[duncan2k5]

Kawhi would be NOBODY had it not been for the spurs and Poop. Anybody thinking otherwise is a fucking moron. The irony is that the same skills, attitude etc they helped him develop is exactly what he is throwing away, thinking that the small market/low-keyness of the spurs is hurting his brand.

Anybody defending him at THIS* point is a moron. Before this it was ok to speculate, but even Manu of all people has called his bitchmade ass out.

A whole lot of assumptions there...and i can bet the majority of them are wrokg...if not all

[ElNono]

Neither, tbh...

Clearly PATFO is unable to deal with bitch ass players since Duncan and Manu were never one of those... that's a hit on PATFO...

Then Kawhi is being a bitch ass and a shitty teammate to boot, so that's a hit on Kawhi...

The biggest loser is Spursfan, obviously...

[TheGreatYacht]

Whatever it is, the damage is done. Both Kawhi and Spurs need a fresh start..Kawhi to LA for a fresh start and Spurs to Seatle.
Completely agreed and I'm sure most will agree. Fat Antonio should be fine with the Rampage....

[jdelar03]

Neither I hope a lot of this bull crap has been blown out of proportion if he doesn't feel right
then sit his ass and thankfully the Spurs hopefully still have the mentality of what's best for now might
not be what's best for the next 5-8 years and know what's more important of the two. If he's good
over the offseason then sign him to super max move on and win 2-3 rings.

[BD24]

New Poll...


OP is a faggot?

Yes or No
obviously yes, this has been settled for years obviously

[TXstbobcat]

976668146030596097

Was at that game last night :flag:

[BSfromTX]

The facts

- Kawhi was misdaganosed medically by incompetent spurs doctors that forced him to play endangering his livelihood
- Kawhi is now cleared to play but refuses to play

The rumors

- Kawhi is unhappy with the Patty and Gasol Extension
- Kawhi is unhappy with the lack of recognition

Misdiagnosed? Incompetent doctors? Careful what you call facts.

Spurs have a record of being very conservative on injuries.

But I get it. Your in love with kawhi and think the spurs are nothing without him. You will demonize whoever to make yourself feel better. None of us know exactly what’s up but my money is on the organization as far as taking the high ground. Kawhi is too young, too new, and under an influence that would make me think he’s not being forthright.

I can’t see how anyone would doubt the organization before KL

[jdelar03]

Neither I hope a lot of this bull crap has been blown out of proportion if he doesn't feel right
then sit his ass and thankfully the Spurs hopefully still have the mentality of what's best for now might
not be what's best for the next 5-8 years and know what's more important of the two. If he's good
over the offseason then sign him to super max move on and win 2-3 rings.

[offset formation]

The facts

- Kawhi was misdaganosed medically by incompetent spurs doctors that forced him to play endangering his livelihood
- Kawhi is now cleared to play but refuses to play

The rumors

- Kawhi is unhappy with the Patty and Gasol Extension
- Kawhi is unhappy with the lack of recognition

Evidently you are even dumber than I thought. Go back to 2nd grade and learn what a fact is vs an opinion.

Go fuck your aunt.

[offset formation]

Whatever it is, the damage is done. Both Kawhi and Spurs need a fresh start..Kawhi to LA for a fresh start and Spurs to Seatle.

You're the worst poster I've ever read. Bar none.

[offset formation]

New Poll...


OP is a faggot?

Yes or No

Yes. And I'd say that only applies to his special brand of douchebaggery.

[offset formation]

Dude, out of the 30 teams in the league this year, most all of them with their best player the entire season, only 5 teams have a better record than SA in the loss or win column :lol

So of course almost any other team missing their best player let alone Kawhi level players would not win like SA has.

This seems to be lost on people. Now add in the third highest scorer (after Kawhi and his 9 games) was Gay who has missed 25 games. Then two very aged vets.

[Down Under]

Dude, out of the 30 teams in the league this year, most all of them with their best player the entire season, only 5 teams have a better record than SA in the loss or win column :lol

So of course almost any other team missing their best player let alone Kawhi level players would not win like SA has.
Well I was trying to dumb it down for everyone saying how bad our team is

[John B]

The Spurs couldn’t move on because presumably Khawi is coming. But never expected that he will play prima donna. I mean injury is a science. It’s either he is or he is not injured. Now the Spurs medical team says he’s clear. Unless Kawhi’s doctors see something else, but should be able to point it out. If not, they have to clear Kawhi. I don’t know the big deal.

[venitian navigator]

I'm with the PATFO simply because a player that's healthy must play and Kiwhi, for what I know, has been considered healthy from Spurs doctors...and probably from all the doctors he's been visited from.
I understand Kiwhi's reasons but they are not sufficient to avoid playing...in a team that, with him, could possibly contend for the title.
I'm inclined to think that the ultra conservative way he's following regarding his body is more a suggestion of his staff than from his doctors...and that all this is primarly, if not entirely, based on economical considerations...in that sense they see that a coming back at this point is a sort of lose-lose situation (thay can not gain more than the supermax they have already considered as his actual price, but few bad games and a fast elimination from contention could lower his value).
As i already wrote in an other threads, unfortunately, the IT situation is playing a role in player's mind these days...considering how easy it can be to pass from a max player status to a mid level player status...probably for as minimum as the risk can be, that's a risk his staff don't wonna play. Simply ther's too much money involved....

[Pavlov]

Spurs are now surprisingly good without Kawhi.

Completely dependent on LMA, but surprisingly good being cobbled together that way.

[dbreiden83080]

We don't have the same roster from last year. We lost three very productive bench players and replaced them with basically nothing. We handed out ridiculous loyalty contracts to Gasol and mills. We have a team now that plays inside out in 2018 and none of our "three point specialists" can even crack 40% from distance. We rely on fossils to bail us out. And we have no backup big men.

Take off your homer glasses dude. This team is very poorly constructed

We lost our best player and would be winning 60 again easy if he played. You know this. Why you or anyone would hate on Spurs MGT when all they have given you is glory is beyond me? All you can ask for every year is to be in the mix. They are in the mix each and every year. They have been since 1997. The Knicks have been dog shit since Ewing was traded. We are still really good in spite of this nonsense. To lose your best player and be in the playoffs right now speaks to coaching and MGT as a strength. Knicks Lost their best player, and now are 20 under .500..

[pookenstein]

You guys are aware who started the thread? It's Apalikescock 101.

[SASdynasty!]

:pop: Kawhi needs to get over himself.

[YGWHI]

You guys are aware who started the thread? It's Apalikescock 101.

I wouldn't believe in any rumor that this Apa guy posted...

[sasaint]

If Kawhi were to succeed in forcing out Pop and his coterie of cronies I would climb off the fence and return to his camp.

[SAGirl]

If Kawhi were to succeed in forcing out Pop and his coterie of cronies I would climb off the fence and return to his camp.
:lmao
this was hilarious
:flag:

P.S. Pop really should have played Derrick White more this season.

[MoSpur02]

I'm still holding out hope the relationship (if it's damaged, which I believe is) can be mended, but I don't have much hope. This situation is weird and instead of it getting better with time it seems like it's getting worse.

[pookenstein]

I wouldn't believe in any rumor that this Apa guy posted...

Smart choice.

[Leetonidas]

We lost our best player and would be winning 60 again easy if he played. You know this. Why you or anyone would hate on Spurs MGT when all they have given you is glory is beyond me? All you can ask for every year is to be in the mix. They are in the mix each and every year. They have been since 1997. The Knicks have been dog shit since Ewing was traded. We are still really good in spite of this nonsense. To lose your best player and be in the playoffs right now speaks to coaching and MGT as a strength. Knicks Lost their best player, and now are 20 under .500..

Your points are all valid. But imo there is no point you can make to excuse the albatross contracts the spurs handed out over the summer out of loyalty that will hamstring our flexibility in the future and completely make it impossible to land a big FA without a ton of unlikely trades first.

[dbreiden83080]

Your points are all valid. But imo there is no point you can make to excuse the albatross contracts the spurs handed out over the summer out of loyalty that will hamstring our flexibility in the future and completely make it impossible to land a big FA without a ton of unlikely trades first.

If this goes south in the off-season I would trade KL for picks, and rebuild it all again. Trade LA, Tony will move on and Manu will retire. Pop should step down and they can hire a new young coach, or promote from within. But I would have faith in Spurs MGT to rebuild it the correct way. They have done it before. I just try to be in this thing for the long haul.. It is a great organization.

[Chinook]

Anyone watching the post-game coverage? It really seems like they keep emphasizing guys coming back from injury right now. It's just weird.

[SAGirl]

Anyone watching the post-game coverage? It really seems like they keep emphasizing guys coming back from injury right now. It's just weird.
Can you ellabotate? I stream games not nationally televised since I am not local anymore. What’s the chatter?

[Chinook]

Can you ellabotate? I stream games not nationally televised since I am not local anymore. What’s the chatter?

Just them saying multiple times how awesome Tony and Rudy were for coming back "so quickly" from their injuries. Pretty sure they mentioned Manu's injuries too. Very effusive in how the Spurs have rallied despite the guys they have missing and how awesome LMA is.

[tholdren]

Just them saying multiple times how awesome Tony and Rudy were for coming back "so quickly" from their injuries. Pretty sure they mentioned Manu's injuries too. Very effusive in how the Spurs have rallied despite the guys they have missing and how awesome LMA is.

In five more years you will understand what i mean about media hype. Continue on your journey. Shocked its taken you so long when youre one of the few semi intelligent posters on here.

[cd021]

Whatever it is, the damage is done. Both Kawhi and Spurs need a fresh start..Kawhi to LA for a fresh start and Spurs to Seatle.

People keep mentioning L.A like they have the assets to come and get him from us. Phoenix, Boston, Cleveland should be ahead in the trade partner que tbh

[spursistan]

Whatever it is, the damage is done. Both Kawhi and Spurs need a fresh start..Kawhi to LA for a fresh start and Spurs to Seatle.
Bro, how does it feel to be finding out your boy Kawhi is might the softest and most cowardly superstar the league has ever seen?

I see my nigga FkLA has already kicked him to the curb :lol..

[Rummpd]

Yes. And I'd say that only applies to his special brand of douchebaggery.

Agreed. Stupid thread, same $*@% has been said elsewhere hundreds of times, OP just looking for attention.

[cd021]

Dunc'd On made a interesting point; The Spurs could simply offer him the designated player super max but instead of the full 35% max, have it be like 32%. If he doesn't return this season, then he'll probably be inclined to sign it and lock into guaranteed money that he wouldn't be able to make otherwise.

If Kawhi plays well next season and still wants to be moved then the Spurs could move him with 4 years remaining on his deal thus opening the field up to teams that wouldn't otherwise make a move for a disgruntled superstar for fear that he would sign elsewhere.

Teams with good assets and lack of top talent, such as Phoenix or Atlanta could enter the sweepstakes and drive up Kawhi's value by giving the Spurs various options.

On the other hand, if Kawhi and PATFO can repair their relationship and Kawhi returns to his 2016-2017 level then the Spurs will have locked up him up but at a pretty good discount.

[MannyIsGod]

Your points are all valid. But imo there is no point you can make to excuse the albatross contracts the spurs handed out over the summer out of loyalty that will hamstring our flexibility in the future and completely make it impossible to land a big FA without a ton of unlikely trades first.

I hate the Pau deal. I wasn't a hater of the Mills deal, but as the season goes on and he plays the worst he's played in a Spurs uni, it's impossible to defend. But knocking the Spurs for free agency periods that have yet to happen is stupid. It wouldn't be the first time they got out from under contracts in a miracle way if it happened so I"m not going to say its impossible for that to happen yet.

Still that fucking Pau deal. Man wtf.

[MannyIsGod]

Dunc'd On made a interesting point; The Spurs could simply offer him the designated player super max but instead of the full 35% max, have it be like 32%. If he doesn't return this season, then he'll probably be inclined to sign it and lock into guaranteed money that he wouldn't be able to make otherwise.

If Kawhi plays well next season and still wants to be moved then the Spurs could move him with 4 years remaining on his deal thus opening the field up to teams that wouldn't otherwise make a move for a disgruntled superstar for fear that he would sign elsewhere.

Teams with good assets and lack of top talent, such as Phoenix or Atlanta could enter the sweepstakes and drive up Kawhi's value by giving the Spurs various options.

On the other hand, if Kawhi and PATFO can repair their relationship and Kawhi returns to his 2016-2017 level then the Spurs will have locked up him up but at a pretty good discount.

And if we get another repeat of this season? The Spurs are plaing 20 million to a guy who won't fucking play right now. You have to at least consider the risk before almost doubling that.

[cd021]

And if we get another repeat of this season? The Spurs are plaing 20 million to a guy who won't fucking play right now. You have to at least consider the risk before almost doubling that.
He is already under contract for $20 million next season anyway, besides he's already been cleared and PATFO may opt to wait until after next season but there are risks on both sides then.

Kawhi could miss out on being all NBA which means that the Spurs lose the option of the Super Max, lessening the financial advantage of him staying, thus he could walk for nothing but he would also be making a lot less money then.

The idea that they presented is probably best for both sides, it is a small gamble but it could save the Spurs money in the long term and give Kawhi security. If Kawhi balls out next season and is still unhappy then the Spurs could move him and get more teams to bid on him thus driving up the price for him.

[UZER]

Team BSB for me. Hate NSYNC.

[spursistan]

Wish the Poll was public, but the results are kinda telling..

Since that Woj report in February about him being cleared by two medicals teams (Spurs' and NewYork specialists) the evidence has started to stack up against Leonard and his camp in this whole saga..There is absolutely no doubt right now whose call it was to sit out almost an entire basketball season because of a sore joint.

Fanbase perception of Leonard is bound to change in light of what has transpired this year. You could just feel it by browsing Spurs twitter..

[daslicer]

Wish the Poll was public, but the results are kinda telling..

Since that Woj report in February about him being cleared by two medicals teams (Spurs' and NewYork specialists) the evidence has started to stack up against Leonard and his camp in this whole saga..There is absolutely no doubt right now whose call it was to sit out almost an entire basketball season because of a sore joint.

Fanbase perception of Leonard is bound to change in light of what has transpired this year. You could just feel it by browsing Spurs twitter..

Hard to respect Kawhi after hearing how his uncle is pulling all the strings. I just get the vibe this has nothing to do with the FO, medical staff,coaching, but everything to do with Kawhi's uncle wanting him to be in SA. I have more respect for guys like Kyrie, Paul George who were straight up honest with their teams about their desire not to be there anymore instead of playing the retarded passive aggressive bs act Kawhi is doing. I remember during the 90's Scottie Pippen being at war openly through the media with the bulls ownership/management but still being a professional and playing. I feel Kawhi has been disgracefully unprofessional this year.

[gambit1990]

this hurts the spurs offseason in terms off attracting free agents, what kind of cachet will they have if they don't even know when their star player will play? how will the spurs explain it to free agents?

[Dingle Barry]

this hurts the spurs offseason in terms off attracting free agents, what kind of cachet will they have if they don't even know when their star player will play? how will the spurs explain it to free agents?

"Come here and be the guy who convinces Kawhi to play. You'll be a legend."

[spursistan]

So why feed the media the bullshit that he is will make his return in late March?

[dbestpro]

Maybe Kawhi is a Trump man and he just doesn't want to plat for Pop.

[widowmaker]

KL lost me with a fake ass injury.

[TD 21]

this hurts the spurs offseason in terms off attracting free agents, what kind of cachet will they have if they don't even know when their star player will play? how will the spurs explain it to free agents?

I wouldn't worry about it. They kicked financial flexibility down the road until '19 last off season and basically haven't seen this roster at full strength, so most likely they're bringing back the majority of this team. The only significant outside free agents I could see them pursuing, are Bradley and maybe Caldwell-Pope, if they lose Green.

Besides, I would anticipate the Leonard fiasco gets resolved, one way or another, before free agency opens. Their season will be finished by late April, giving them 2 months to have a cooling off period and summit meeting. He can't officially sign the super max until July 1st, but they can reach an agreement in principle before then.