Tony Parker throwing shade at Kawhi

[JohnnyMax]

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[gospursgojas]

He was the “quarterback” of the team meeting per today’s ESPN report.

[Clipper Nation]

He was the “quarterback” of the team meeting per today’s ESPN report.

He was probably reading off cue cards that Speedy Claxton, Beno and MVPatty wrote for him, tbh.

[dabom]

He was probably reading off cue cards that Speedy Claxton, Beno and MVPatty wrote for him, tbh.

:lmao

[phxspurfan]

He was probably reading off cue cards that Speedy Claxton, Beno and MVPatty wrote for him, tbh.

excellent

[cd98]

Kawhi definitely has shown he's not an MVP when it comes to leadership. He should never have allowed his team to deteriorate into a gossip team with drama. That said, not sure why TP feels the need to hit him in the media. He should be more mature. I know he wants Kawhi back to help the Spurs win, but attacking him through the media is only going to entrench Kawhi in his position. The Spurs way should be to handle it internally and not air dirty laundry in the media.

[SAGirl]

Tony didn't attack him. Actually he was very careful with what he said and declined to answer anything about the meeting.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/

[KDKSpurs24]

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Watch the actual interview.

[peacemaker885]

Every show on NBA radio is talking about the Spurs/Kawhi. Not just a mention but the major topic. Every show. Nobody ever predicted this.

[spurs50_]

Oh, oh, did Leonard "Clap Back"?

[rjv]

the actual interview is nowhere near as acidic as reading it on a screen in one's own tone. and the comments were solicited.

[TheGreatYacht]

Watch the actual interview.
Faggot OP is Clittoris Nation's alt. You know he didn't.

[SASdynasty!]

the actual interview is nowhere near as acidic as reading it on a screen in one's own tone. and the comments were solicited.
Clickbait thread title and misleading tweet. Per par tbh.

[Keepin' it real]

the actual interview is nowhere near as acidic as reading it on a screen in one's own tone. and the comments were solicited.

Does any of that matter?

[Twisted_Dawg]

Faggot OP is Clittoris Nation's alt. You know he didn't.
Clittoris Nation
^^^:lol:lol:lol^^^

[rjv]

Does any of that matter?

matter to who?

[Keepin' it real]

matter to who?

Spurs fans.

[rjv]

Spurs fans.

i don't know.

[Stabula]

Parker still the alpha of this team

[Play Boban]

Just 17 minutes per game during our six game winning streak.

Putting the team above his own ego. A true warrior. I wish Kawhi could learn to be a real leader from this Frenchie...tbh... :lobt2:

[tholdren]

Just 17 minutes per game during our six game winning streak.

Putting the team above his own ego. A true warrior. I wish Kawhi could learn to be a real leader from this Frenchie...tbh... :lobt2:

Patty contract better than kl

[Gummi Clutch]

LOL at the shade thrown by Toilet Paper...he's right though :lol
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[duncan2k5]

Parker can't help himself... Kawhi is definitely gone

[Gummi Clutch]

Parker can't help himself... Kawhi is definitely gone
At this point you have to be a pussy to think that. What Parker said wasn't going to change what is already on Kiwi's mind.

[BillMc]

No link to what was actually said?

[Gummi Clutch]

No link to what was actually said?
its there

[Play Boban]

I've never had as much respect for Tony Parker as I do tonight tbh.

[BillMc]

its there
:toast Cheers. Guess it didn't load on my crappy laptop the first time.

[ElNono]

It's all fun and games until the franchise signs somewhere else, and the Spurs end up in Seattle... thanks Tony Parker...

I know it sucks you're barely a bench player now, but you don't have to let your ego get in the way of the Spurs' future.

First calling a players-only meeting, now outright insulting the star player on the team...

What's next? Going Tonya Harding on Murray to get back his starting spot? SMDH...

[gilmor]

It's all fun and games until the franchise signs somewhere else, and the Spurs end up in Seattle... thanks Tony Parker...

I know it sucks you're barely a bench player now, but you don't have to let your ego get in the way of the Spurs' future.

First calling a players-only meeting, now outright insulting the star player on the team...

What's next? Going Tonya Harding on Murray to get back his starting spot? SMDH...

I think you need to grow up

[ElNono]

I think you need to grow up

why don't you go suck Tony's dick? Holy shit, hopefully that was your last post.

[Pavlov]

It's all fun and games until the franchise signs somewhere else, and the Spurs end up in Seattle... thanks Tony Parker...They'll just switch teams with Austin tbh.

No big loss.

[SAGirl]

I don’t see why get upset at the truth tbh :lol

[BatManu20]

http://i68.tinypic.com/25oui3n.jpg

[vander]

thought it was going to be a link to the onion or something

[hater]

The poor bastard cannot even wipe his own asslet alone be the butt of parkers jokes

[BillMc]

http://i68.tinypic.com/25oui3n.jpg

Will he not play for them too? Lots of smog in L.A. Kawhi's docs may deem it too risky. Better sit out

[pgardn]

Even if Parker did say it he knows his days as a top PG are gone. He is a knowledgeable backup. Who can run the team for short stints with the proper personnel. That's fine. We don't have a Harden/Chris Paul backcourt. We move on. Do our best to give the team a good series in the playoffs. Maybe knock out Portland for Aldridge, that would be cool IMO.

[BillMc]

Even if Parker did say it he knows his days as a top PG are gone. He is a knowledgeable backup. Who can run the team for short stints with the proper personnel. That's fine. We don't have a Harden/Chris Paul backcourt. We move on.

This

[LkrFan]

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Truth Bombs

[tholdren]

It's all fun and games until the franchise signs somewhere else, and the Spurs end up in Seattle... thanks Tony Parker...

I know it sucks you're barely a bench player now, but you don't have to let your ego get in the way of the Spurs' future.

First calling a players-only meeting, now outright insulting the star player on the team...

What's next? Going Tonya Harding on Murray to get back his starting spot? SMDH...

Lol crybaby. If tp said it, great. Also murrays plaing ability is all the tonya harding he needs. Loser

[cd021]

The poor bastard cannot even wipe his own asslet alone be the butt of parkers jokes

Kawhi has to do a week of 4 on 4 drills just to be ready to be the butt of Parker's jokes :lol

[boutons_deux]

Tony had a tissue tear, surgery, healed

Kawhi has long-term chronic inflammation, maybe degradation and/or scarring of the tissue, still chronic apparently, iow, NOT healed, TOTALLY different, Dr. "100 times" Parker.

[tholdren]

Tony had a tissue tear, surgery, healed

Kawhi has long-term chronic inflammation, maybe degradation and/or scarring of the tissue, still chronic apparently, iow, NOT healed, TOTALLY different, Dr. "100 times" Parker.

Lol

[Canyonero]

It's all fun and games until the franchise signs somewhere else, and the Spurs end up in Seattle... thanks Tony Parker...

I know it sucks you're barely a bench player now, but you don't have to let your ego get in the way of the Spurs' future.

First calling a players-only meeting, now outright insulting the star player on the team...

What's next? Going Tonya Harding on Murray to get back his starting spot? SMDH...

[BSfromTX]

Tony had a tissue tear, surgery, healed

Kawhi has long-term chronic inflammation, maybe degradation and/or scarring of the tissue, still chronic apparently, iow, NOT healed, TOTALLY different, Dr. "100 times" Parker.

player fan alts... seems like that’s all this forum is anymore

[ducks]

Tony had a tissue tear, surgery, healed

Kawhi has long-term chronic inflammation, maybe degradation and/or scarring of the tissue, still chronic apparently, iow, NOT healed, TOTALLY different, Dr. "100 times" Parker.yes dr boutons

[Clipper Nation]

It's all fun and games until the franchise signs somewhere else, and the Spurs end up in Seattle... thanks Tony Parker...

I know it sucks you're barely a bench player now, but you don't have to let your ego get in the way of the Spurs' future.

First calling a players-only meeting, now outright insulting the star player on the team...

What's next? Going Tonya Harding on Murray to get back his starting spot? SMDH...
https://i.imgur.com/5KUxTR3.gif

[Chinook]

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Truth Bombs

Dude's dumb as shit. The team knows Kawhi. They don't have to rely on his rep. If they side against him, they're doing it for cause.

[Mikeanaro]

What's next? Going Tonya Harding on Murray to get back his starting spot? SMDH...
That would be awesome for 2 reasons, number 1 I cant stand that skinny POS Murray
and number 2 Porker could have his own movie and Jorge Garcia (the guy from LOST) would be the perfect guy for the role.

[SpurPadre]

All TP needs to do now is fuck Kawhi's girl to complete the process, tbh.

[Play Boban]

All TP needs to do now is fuck Kawhi's girl to complete the process, tbh.
You don’t think he hasn’t already done that tbh?

[SpurPadre]

You don’t think he hasn’t already done that tbh?

Yeah, you're right. Silly me.

[TheDoctor]

All TP needs to do now is fuck Kawhi's girl to complete the process, tbh.
:lol

[LkrFan]

Dude's dumb as shit. The team knows Kawhi. They don't have to rely on his rep. If they side against him, they're doing it for cause.

You wanna clarify that comment? Maybe there's a "cause" for why Kiwi, who has an impeccable track record, no longer trusts the Spurs training/Medical staff?

[SpurPadre]

You wanna clarify that comment? Maybe there's a "cause" for why Kiwi, who has an impeccable track record, no longer trusts the Spurs training/Medical staff?

I trust the Spurs training/Medical staff's impeccable track record of well over 20 years than Kawhi's 7 years, tbh.

[BillMc]

Some vids on the post team meeting.

Chris Carter claims he knows Kawhi and his inner circle, defends KL, but says he's not coming back this season.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDWshF0cwMo

First Take guys with their usual schtick


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIE3rDGb3Fo

[Chinook]

You wanna clarify that comment? Maybe there's a "cause" for why Kiwi, who has an impeccable track record, no longer trusts the Spurs training/Medical staff?

The point is that Kawhi only has an "impeccable track record" with fans and media. His teammates spend more time with him and are likely to have their own opinions of his independent of his "record". If they think Kawhi is faking, it'd be because they think his "record" allows for it. If Kawhi is displaying cancerous tendencies now, he's likely displayed them before, and we just haven't heard yet. Well, we actually have heard before, but we just dismissed them, like Kawhi not doing much to recruit LMA, not helping to recruit Durant at all, and not really doing anything to recruit CP3. This was all Rose-level stuff even before he got hurt.

[Ice009]

I saw that Cris Carter one earlier today and I didn't like it or want to mention it. He said he knows Kawhi and his people and when asked if he thought he'd come back this season, he said "no." Not what I wanted to hear. Hopefully he doesn't really know anything. I really think the Spurs have a chance if Kawhi can come back this season.

[BillMc]

I saw that Cris Carter one earlier today and I didn't like it or want to mention it. He said he knows Kawhi and his people and when asked if he thought he'd come back this season, he said "no." Not what I wanted to hear. Hopefully he doesn't really know anything. I really think the Spurs have a chance if Kawhi can come back this season.

What's weird is CC says "these are the same people who managed my career". Who are these people that would manage both of them in two different sports/eras? I assume he means the specialist doctors? I doubt Kawhi's uncle had anything to do with Carter's career. Are there other advisers (Lawyers, financial guys, personal trainers) CC is referencing?

[BillMc]

Well, we actually have heard before, but we just dismissed them, like Kawhi not doing much to recruit LMA, not helping to recruit Durant at all, and not really doing anything to recruit CP3. This was all Rose-level stuff even before he got hurt.

I always assumed that was either because a) Kawhi was a shy/introvert or b) he had faith in PATFO to do those things and just wanted to worry about on the court things and perfecting his own game or c) all of the above.

Thhere is a fine line between shyness which most people are sympathetic to and aloofness which most people find distasteful.

[daslicer]

The point is that Kawhi only has an "impeccable track record" with fans and media. His teammates spend more time with him and are likely to have their own opinions of his independent of his "record". If they think Kawhi is faking, it'd be because they think his "record" allows for it. If Kawhi is displaying cancerous tendencies now, he's likely displayed them before, and we just haven't heard yet. Well, we actually have heard before, but we just dismissed them, like Kawhi not doing much to recruit LMA, not helping to recruit Durant at all, and not really doing anything to recruit CP3. This was all Rose-level stuff even before he got hurt.

I actually don't blame him for not recruiting Durant because if I was in his situation I would have done the same. Why would you recruit somebody that hates you and doesn't respect you which is obvious with the shade Durant has thrown at Kawhi in the past.

[Ice009]

What's weird is CC says "these are the same people who managed my career". Who are these people that would manage both of them in two different sports/eras? I assume he means the specialist doctors? I doubt Kawhi's uncle had anything to do with Carter's career. Are there other advisers (Lawyers, financial guys, personal trainers) CC is referencing?

Yeah, that's interesting/weird. I thought the exact same thing when he said that. All I could think was how can they be the same people, Kawhi's got his own crew and it's from a different era, or so I assume Kawhi's crew is from his era rather than Cris Carter's. I wonder who Cris Carter is referring to when he mention's "the same people"? I guess the people could have worked both eras, or the tail end of Carter's. I'm really not sure who he's referring to.

[tholdren]

Some vids on the post team meeting.

Chris Carter claims he knows Kawhi and his inner circle, defends KL, but says he's not coming back this season.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDWshF0cwMo

First Take guys with their usual schtick


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIE3rDGb3Fo

Chris carter should spend more time raising his own kids

[tholdren]

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Lol jesus. Posting some crackheads shitty tweet as evidence for your agenda? 20k posts? What a waste

[SAGirl]

Some vids on the post team meeting.

Chris Carter claims he knows Kawhi and his inner circle, defends KL, but says he's not coming back this season.


The first video is smart and knowledgeable. I also looked at the timing of the meeting and both Pop's and Manu's statements. Kawhi is simply not coming back this season. They know it and have mentally moved on. They will never say it officially bc they are being deferential to Kawhi trying to rehab and come back. Kawhi himself hasn't given up and they aren't closing the door on him, but he is probably so far from being ready to play, (Woj mentioned he was doing 4 on 4 --with the staff mind you-- and that is why the leak happened that he was coming back in one of the recent past games-- but he then regressed and had to start all over.) There is just no time left, he's not ready and teammates already got the word from him that he's not ready and doesn't know when he will be. At this point, you can read between the lines... no one would tell him to give it up already trying to come back this season, but it's just unrealistic.

[tholdren]

The first video is smart and knowledgeable. I also looked at the timing of the meeting and both Pop's and Manu's statements. Kawhi is simply not coming back this season. They know it and have mentally moved on. They will never say it officially bc they are being deferential to Kawhi trying to rehab and come back. Kawhi himself hasn't given up and they aren't closing the door on him, but he is probably so far from being ready to play, (Woj mentioned he was doing 4 on 4 --with the staff mind you-- and that is why the leak happened that he was coming back in one of the recent past games-- but he then regressed and had to start all over.) There is just no time left, he's not ready and teammates already got the word from him that he's not ready and doesn't know when he will be. At this point, you can read between the lines... no one would tell him to give it up already trying to come back this season, but it's just unrealistic.

Not max player as i said several years ago. Rigged fmvp

[BillMc]

There are so many Kawhi threads right now that choosing where to post this info is giving me a headache. Clearly, I'll need outside specialists to clear me before I post again.

But, as it is a non game day, and we're all just shooting the breeze here is some guy from MSN listing his idea of good Kawhi trades

://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/opinion-5-leonard-trades-that-make-sense/ar-BBKzUuY


1. Atlanta HawksAtlanta sends Dennis Schröder, DeAndre Bembry and their 2018 1st-round pick to the Spurs for Kawhi Leonard.
The Hawks do not have a co-star for Leonard on their roster. Yet. The idea would be that securing Leonard ahead of time would help the Hawks secure that second star-caliber free agent either this summer or next offseason. They would have a fair bit to offer: Leonard, promising big-man John Collins and fellow wing prospect Taurean Prince, and perhaps the best player development system in the NBA outside of San Antonio. Players love Atlanta as a city. Paul George and LeBron James may be out of reach this summer. But anyone in the 2019 class would be in play along with DeMarcus Cousins this summer if the Hawks wanted to go that route.
The Spurs would haggle for Prince. And the eventual landing spot of that first-rounder in the lottery would determine their likeliness of getting him. The Hawks wouldn’t give up a top-two pick without some assurance from Leonard that he would stay. But if that pick is fifth, this is a different conversation.
That assurance is unlikely, of course. But it’s worth noting that Mike Budenholzer was a Spurs assistant in Leonard’s first two seasons. But only that, but he was one of the most vocal supporters of trading for him during the draft process. There seems to be a good relationship there. One that could help the Hawks convince Leonard to at least give them another year to build a team around him.
2. Boston Celtics
Boston sends Jayson Tatum, Marcus Morris, Guerschon Yabusele, Terry Rozier, Abdel Nader and Memphis’ top-eight protected 2019 first-round pick to San Antonio for Kawhi Leonard.
The volume of players here is a cap issue more than a talent problem. The Celtics do not have big salaries they are eager to trade. That is the biggest argument for them keeping Marcus Smart this offseason. Giving him a big cap number gives them a big cap number to trade for a superstar like Anthony Davis.
Davis to the Celtics feels like fait accompli. But, Leonard is the one feasibly available player who could convince Boston to change their plans. Kyrie Irving qualifies as the star teammate Leonard may desire. And a three-headed defensive hydra of Leonard, Jaylon Brown and Gordon Hayward on the perimeter would make even the Warriors sweat. Toss in Al Horford, more future picks sitting in their back pocket and the general desire any veteran buy out candidate would have to play for that team and the Celtics may be looking at a dynasty.
As for the Spurs? Tatum is a future star in his own right. One with the offensive upside to do for them what Leonard did last year. That Memphis pick is one of the most valuable outstanding picks in the league, and Yabusele and Rozier are the sort of prospects San Antonio loves to swipe and develop. Unless one of the two top picks in June’s draft become available, Tatum is likely the most appealing singular asset the Spurs could get.
3. Los Angeles Lakers
Los Angeles sends Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, Luol Deng and a lottery-protected 2020 first round pick to San Antonio for Kawhi Leonard
The Lakers wouldn’t make this trade unless they had already secured at least one max-salary free agent. But if they get two, this is their path to a third. Let’s say LeBron James and Paul George do sign with the Lakers this offseason. They’ll want to win right away. Therefore, waiting on Ingram and Kuzma to develop would not be ideal. The Spurs would have that time to wait, though. So grabbing two high-upside prospects along with a first-round pick wouldn’t be a terrible haul for a team expecting to sit out the late playoffs for a few seasons.
The Lakers would then have James, George and Leonard as the foundation of their present with Lonzo Ball lingering as the thread to the future. Josh Hart sticks around as a valuable role player and likely their fifth man to close games with, and the world will be a better place if Ivica Zubac is getting major minutes on a playoff team.
The only hang up is Deng. His contract lasts only two more years after this one. That’s not un-tradeable, but the Spurs wouldn’t be enthusiastic about taking it on. This trade would likely only be possible if the Celtics weren’t interested in bidding, as they have the assets to beat any team in the field.
4. Minnesota Timberwolves
Minnesota sends Andrew Wiggins, Tyus Jones, Cole Aldrich and their top-three protected first-round pick to San Antonio for Kawhi Leonard and Pau Gasol
If the Spurs want to still compete in the present, Wiggins is already a 20-point scorer who could theoretically lead a team. The problems come when you examine literally any other part of his game. The Spurs are better at solving those problems than any other team in the NBA. If any team could turn Wiggins into the player many expected, which was essentially what Leonard already is, it is them.
Meanwhile, Minnesota’s problems on defense (they are ranked 27th as of this writing) would be helped significantly by Leonard’s addition. He and Jimmy Butler would be the best perimeter combination of defenders in the NBA. And with Karl-Anthony Towns leading the way on offense, the two could give maximum effort on a nightly basis. Leonard adds spacing to an offense that needs it as well, allowing Towns to focus more on the area around the basket.
Leonard would likely need assurances that Butler will stay beyond the expiration of his contract next season. Or if it was not granted, they could decide to both enter free agency next summer. There are also market concerns, as players tend to detest living in Minnesota due to the weather and lack of off-court opportunities. But in basketball terms, swapping Leonard for Wiggins may make the Timberwolves a championship team.
5. Philadelphia 76ers
Philadelphia sends Markelle Fultz, Dario Šarić, Robert Covington and the Los Angeles’ Lakers 2018 first-round pick to the Spurs for Kawhi Leonard.
OR
Philadelphia sends Ben Simmons, Jerryd Bayless and the Los Angeles Lakers’ 2018 first-round pick to the Spurs for Kawhi Leonard.
The Sixers are the most complicated team in the hunt for Leonard. They have the best singular asset that could be conceivably traded for Leonard in Simmons. But, it’s highly unlikely that he would be available. They also have the best overall package of assets to offer if San Antonio prefers depth. It’s just a matter of what their offseason looks like.
If the Sixers sign LeBron James, their plans change immensely. They go into win-now mode, and having Simmons is a liability under those circumstances. His lack of shooting would be amplified to the extreme in the playoffs. And, his skill-set is redundant with James on the team. That would make him expendable in a Leonard trade, and if the Sixers truly offered him, the Spurs would probably say yes in a heartbeat. A Sixers team with James, Leonard, Embiid, Covington and Šarić would likely be the favorite to win the championship next season even before you consider any potential contributions from Fultz.
If they don’t get James? Things get more complicated. They would love to have Leonard, but would they risk their entire timeline to get him? The combination of Leonard, Simmons, Joel Embiid and cap space would be formidable. But would it be enough to beat the Warriors or Rockets without role players to replace Covington and Šarić?
And how high is Fultz’s value right now? Different teams have different perspectives, so it’s impossible to tell. If the Sixers truly want Leonard, they can make a deal happen. They can even outbid the Celtics if it comes to that. But the circumstances of their offseason will dictate whether or not they are willing to go all in.

[Joseph Kony]

Sixers trade is probably the best but still meh. Lol at the Boston proposal. Any trade w/ Boston involving Kawhi and Boston is definitely giving up both Brown/Tatum and one of those nice lotto picks. The rest of those ideas are laughable at best.

[lefty]

Kellerman is right thg

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Tony needs to support his teammate. A public comment like that is a very shitty thing to do. Especially since Kawhi is the franchise now...shows a lack of respect for KL.

If Tony's going to intensify the discord he can do it by banging the reserve's wives/gfs. Leave the big man alone, or show us your medical degree and KL exam results Tony!

[Clipper Nation]

Jerry's about to do some more fleecing, tbh. The Spurs are getting Austin Rivers, Gallinari and Wes Johnson for KawhiPERIOD

[djohn2oo8]

Tony needs to support his teammate. A public comment like that is a very shitty thing to do. Especially since Kawhi is the franchise now...shows a lack of respect for KL.

If Tony's going to intensify the discord he can do it by banging the reserve's wives/gfs. Leave the big man alone, or show us your medical degree and KL exam results Tony!

Tony probably shouldn't have gone that hard. At the same time, Kawhi needs to give his teammates an answer. And it doesn't sound like he is that close with any of them. Not a good look..

[spursistan]

The point is that Kawhi only has an "impeccable track record" with fans and media. His teammates spend more time with him and are likely to have their own opinions of his independent of his "record". If they think Kawhi is faking, it'd be because they think his "record" allows for it. If Kawhi is displaying cancerous tendencies now, he's likely displayed them before, and we just haven't heard yet. Well, we actually have heard before, but we just dismissed them, like Kawhi not doing much to recruit LMA, not helping to recruit Durant at all, and not really doing anything to recruit CP3. This was all Rose-level stuff even before he got hurt.
:tu

I think you might have gotten Kawhi right after all..Gotta give you credit on bringing up the Rose analogy early, tbh.

The sudden change in the tenor of the comments from people around situation in the last few weeks (Pop, Manu, TP, the broadcast crew, and even some figures with flimsy ties to the organisation like that Jason Garrett dude possibly speaking on behalf of his colleagues) suggest they might be finally detecting a bullshit here.

The fact that this saga has continuously refused to blow over should leave divorce as a real option on the table as soon as this summer, and one wonders if that was the end game all along for Kawhi's camp.

It might be naively sentimental, but people here need to also understand the Spurs organization is too big and prideful to be completely bending over for an injury-prone, mentally-suspect player with zero leadership bone in him-- one who has only been at THAT Level for a season or two. In other words, you only allow Lebron James to walk all over you-- and even the latter is too competitive to be pulling this disgraceful and cowardly protest move..

[r0drig0lac]

There are so many Kawhi threads right now that choosing where to post this info is giving me a headache. Clearly, I'll need outside specialists to clear me before I post again.

But, as it is a non game day, and we're all just shooting the breeze here is some guy from MSN listing his idea of good Kawhi trades

://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/opinion-5-leonard-trades-that-make-sense/ar-BBKzUuY

only the 76ers are worth a second look, on the celtics Tatum + Brown + pick or nothing. fuck Ainge

[John B]

All TP needs to do now is fuck Kawhi's girl to complete the process, tbh.
:lmao

[lefty]

All TP needs to do now is fuck Kawhi's girl to complete the process, tbh.
#TrustTheProcess

[BackHome]

Tony had a tissue tear, surgery, healed

Kawhi has long-term chronic inflammation, maybe degradation and/or scarring of the tissue, still chronic apparently, iow, NOT healed, TOTALLY different, Dr. "100 times" Parker.

What ever he has the Spurs orginization and the Spurs doctors know it and they are all saying he can play. The Spurs are notorious for being overly cautious when it comes to any injuries we are not Detroit so the only reason he is not playing is $$ and contract.

So you got two issues one he has quit on his team cause he doesn’t want a setback to hurt his new contract and making max$$. Or second his injury is chronic.

Either of these two makes me want to trade him and get draft picks or players just best deal for Spurs.

[daslicer]

Jerry's about to do some more fleecing, tbh. The Spurs are getting Austin Rivers, Gallinari and Wes Johnson for KawhiPERIOD

You guys are stuck with Austin until Doc is fired which looks like it's not going to happen any time soon.

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-o8qx_AxNs

More media mental masturbation for a slow Saturday.

[hater]

MVParker with da damn goods

Gay also has made smarky comments on the china doll

Only two players with testicular fortitude in the eam :tu :tu

[BillMc]

MVParker with da damn goods

Gay also has made smarky comments on the china doll

Only two players with testicular fortitude in the eam :tu :tu

What did RUdy say?

[bklynspursfan]

What's weird is CC says "these are the same people who managed my career". Who are these people that would manage both of them in two different sports/eras? I assume he means the specialist doctors? I doubt Kawhi's uncle had anything to do with Carter's career. Are there other advisers (Lawyers, financial guys, personal trainers) CC is referencing?

Kawhi is a client of Impact Sports Management, and it looks like Cris Carter was too. Guessing that's the connection. I sure hope he is wrong tho... But I guess we'll see.

http://impactse.com/the-company/

Here's an older article about it when it was said Kawhi was leaving his agency.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2629260-kawhi-leonard-reportedly-parts-ways-with-agent-latest-details-reaction.amp.html

[BillMc]

Kawhi is a client of Impact Sports Management, and it looks like Cris Carter was too. Guessing that's the connection. I sure hope he is wrong tho... But I guess we'll see.

http://impactse.com/the-company/

Here's an older article about it when it was said Kawhi was leaving his agency.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2629260-kawhi-leonard-reportedly-parts-ways-with-agent-latest-details-reaction.amp.html

Cheers man. :toast Holmes couldn't have solved that mystery faster.

[picnroll]

Jerry's about to do some more fleecing, tbh. The Spurs are getting Austin Rivers, Gallinari and Wes Johnson for KawhiPERIOD
Id just cut Leonard before I’d take any of that crap.

[sasaint]

Kawhi is a client of Impact Sports Management, and it looks like Cris Carter was too. Guessing that's the connection. I sure hope he is wrong tho... But I guess we'll see.

http://impactse.com/the-company/

Here's an older article about it when it was said Kawhi was leaving his agency.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2629260-kawhi-leonard-reportedly-parts-ways-with-agent-latest-details-reaction.amp.html


Nice work. Thanks for the scoop.

[BanditHiro]

Enrique should be worried about how he had the same number of points Kawhi did.

[Play Boban]

Patty contract better than kl
Any thinking man would have to agree with you. At least Patty gives us minutes, unlike Kawhi.

[Splits]

977356195995574272



Can I get your cousin Angel's digits?

[LkrFan]

The point is that Kawhi only has an "impeccable track record" with fans and media. His teammates spend more time with him and are likely to have their own opinions of his independent of his "record". If they think Kawhi is faking, it'd be because they think his "record" allows for it. If Kawhi is displaying cancerous tendencies now, he's likely displayed them before, and we just haven't heard yet. Well, we actually have heard before, but we just dismissed them, like Kawhi not doing much to recruit LMA, not helping to recruit Durant at all, and not really doing anything to recruit CP3. This was all Rose-level stuff even before he got hurt.

You can't force a round peg into a square hole. He is who he is. You cannot hold it against him for not recruiting. For example, Kobe didn't recruit Shaq (to stay).

I can't speak to how he is in the Spurs organization, but prior to this year I heard absolutely nothing negative about him.

Now, TP is hardly a saint (I'm not going there because it's not on topic). So what if he had the same injury. So what if it was "100% worse." People experience pain differently and recover differently. TP is a 6 foot guard; Kiwi is a 6'9" forward. Comparing the two is like apples to oranges. And just because TP healed just fine doesn't mean Kiwi will too. He's right to be skeptical about a team physician's diagnosis. Remember, he works for the Spurs (and not Kiwi).

[dbestpro]

It Leonard's issues are not physical then they are mental. He may be suffering from a form of illness not related to an injury.

[LkrFan]

I trust the Spurs training/Medical staff's impeccable track record of well over 20 years than Kawhi's 7 years, tbh.

Their team docs work for the team and not Kiwi. 10 time out of 10 he will do what the Spurs want (or practice medicine elsewhere). Kiwi is right to be skeptical. Look at what the Pistons did to Grant Hill. Look at what Boston did to IT. I'm just saying...

[Pauleta14]

the actual interview is nowhere near as acidic as reading it on a screen in one's own tone. and the comments were solicited.

Still.

Even if he is careful with his choice of word (not his forte), by "defending" the medical staff he put more oil on the fire/created more doubts for the public!

He HAS to be smarter than that at is age!

Unless he is/they are tired of Kawhi and it's a passive/aggressive bitchy move

[gambit1990]

a big part of why i still give kawhi the benefit of the doubt is because... what does kawhi have to gain from not playing?

him not playing doesn't help his basketball career/sponsorships/legacy.

[Pauleta14]

There are so many Kawhi threads right now that choosing where to post this info is giving me a headache. Clearly, I'll need outside specialists to clear me before I post again.

But, as it is a non game day, and we're all just shooting the breeze here is some guy from MSN listing his idea of good Kawhi trades

://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/opinion-5-leonard-trades-that-make-sense/ar-BBKzUuY

There isn't a good trade out there for the Spurs bro, stop wasting your time...

Plus if something has to happen, it would be after trying everything to make it work, and they have 1 more year (or at least until next february) to trade him if necessary.

Trading him before would be stupid, unless they've identified another 'Kawhi" in the next draft that nobody saw...

[Pauleta14]

a big part of why i still give kawhi the benefit of the doubt is because... what does kawhi have to gain from not playing?

him not playing doesn't help his basketball career/sponsorships/legacy.

Honestly?

A real physical issue that, exposed, would kill his value, included by the Spurs just before he can sign an amazing max extension this summer.

Imagine a scenario a la Brandon Roy...

[HI-FI]

It's all fun and games until the franchise signs somewhere else, and the Spurs end up in Seattle... thanks Tony Parker...

I know it sucks you're barely a bench player now, but you don't have to let your ego get in the way of the Spurs' future.

First calling a players-only meeting, now outright insulting the star player on the team...

What's next? Going Tonya Harding on Murray to get back his starting spot? SMDH...
https://media.giphy.com/media/srTYyZ1BjBtGU/giphy.gif

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Every show on NBA radio is talking about the Spurs/Kawhi. Not just a mention but the major topic. Every show. Nobody ever predicted this.
The media helped manufacture a large majority of this ridiculous soap opera garbage. At the same time, Kawhi is also to blame for not saying a single fucking word on the injury for several months.

[Clipper Nation]

For example, Kobe didn't recruit Shaq (to stay).

:lol Because he wanted Shaq to be traded and was busy threatening to leave the Lakers in free agency if they didn't trade Shaq.

[LkrFan]

:lol Because he wanted Shaq to be traded and was busy threatening to leave the Lakers in free agency if they didn't trade Shaq.

Truth. :lol Also true: Kobe 5, Snaq 4 :lol

[Keepin' it real]

a big part of why i still give kawhi the benefit of the doubt is because... what does kawhi have to gain from not playing?

him not playing doesn't help his basketball career/sponsorships/legacy.

So you give Kawhi the benefit of the doubt because he might be a moron?? Ok.

[ElNono]

https://media.giphy.com/media/srTYyZ1BjBtGU/giphy.gif

:lol

[exstatic]

Honestly?

A real physical issue that, exposed, would kill his value, included by the Spurs just before he can sign an amazing max extension this summer.

Imagine a scenario a la Brandon Roy...
Brandon Roy had medical red flags before the draft, as did Jerryd Bayless and of course Oden. Portland had a history of medical reaches, and got burned by almost every damn one of them. Only fans were surprised by Roy’s shortened career track. Front offices knew, as did some in the media.

[offset formation]

Their team docs work for the team and not Kiwi. 10 time out of 10 he will do what the Spurs want (or practice medicine elsewhere). Kiwi is right to be skeptical. Look at what the Pistons did to Grant Hill. Look at what Boston did to IT. I'm just saying...

Fair point. But the Spurs are not Detroit. Or Boston.

[james evans]

bottom line, Kawhi is not up for the bullshit . As a spurs fan, I've been sick of the front office/popovich bullshit, it's just sad that we gotta lose our best player for it

[james evans]

The media helped manufacture a large majority of this ridiculous soap opera garbage. At the same time, Kawhi is also to blame for not saying a single fucking word on the injury for several months.
everyone isn't from this ere or adapted to this social media era. People actually think I'm strange because damn near no one on facebook knows anything about me. They don't know my age, where I work, where I live, what kind of car I drive or what I do daily. i think Kawhi has handled this situation well by not bringing ANY attention to himself. The only attention is nosy ass reporters in the media looking for a fucking story. It's sad the times we live in that a man is blamed for not putting his business in the street. hahahaa. Think about that for a minute and get back with me.. Did any of us know 25 years ago that Zo and LJ had problem in Charlotte? NO, because there was no social mediai. Yes, that shit started long before that knicks/heat playoff game but there was no twitter/instagram or shit like that with nosy ass bitches

[daslicer]

everyone isn't from this ere or adapted to this social media era. People actually think I'm strange because damn near no one on facebook knows anything about me. They don't know my age, where I work, where I live, what kind of car I drive or what I do daily. i think Kawhi has handled this situation well by not bringing ANY attention to himself. The only attention is nosy ass reporters in the media looking for a fucking story. It's sad the times we live in that a man is blamed for not putting his business in the street. hahahaa. Think about that for a minute and get back with me.. Did any of us know 25 years ago that Zo and LJ had problem in Charlotte? NO, because there was no social mediai. Yes, that shit started long before that knicks/heat playoff game but there was no twitter/instagram or shit like that with nosy ass bitches

Actually you are wrong about that. I actually grew up in NC so I knew back then as a kid that they both hated each other. That was revealed in the local media when ZO before the start of the '95-96 season refused to report to training camp due to wanting a new contract. The reasoning behind it was that ZO felt he was a better player than LJ and deserved to be paid more than LJ. I remember reading in the local news paper and hearing on the local news that they both hated each other. They were a lot of stories that came out how they clashed with each other in practice and fought over who would be the leader of the Hornets. The only difference back then I would say since Charlotte was a small market it didn't make national headlines like it would today but locally we all knew they didn't like each other.

[daslicer]

bottom line, Kawhi is not up for the bullshit . As a spurs fan, I've been sick of the front office/popovich bullshit, it's just sad that we gotta lose our best player for it

That doesn't justify Kawhi not playing. Kobe and Jordan hated their front offices and bitched about it openly but didn't pull bush league antics by not playing.

[james evans]

Actually you are wrong about that. I actually grew up in NC so I knew back then as a kid that they both hated each other. That was revealed in the local media when ZO before the start of the '95-96 season refused to report to training camp due to wanting a new contract. The reasoning behind it was that ZO felt he was a better player than LJ and deserved to be paid more than LJ. I remember reading in the local news paper and hearing on the local news that they both hated each other. They were a lot of stories that came out how they clashed with each other in practice and fought over who would be the leader of the Hornets. The only difference back then I would say since Charlotte was a small market it didn't make national headlines like it would today but locally we all knew they didn't like each other.
I'm from NC too. there was a story only known in here in NC that they were fucking the same chick but u and me were in NC, it wasn't nationwide news. So basically you're proving me right. Things we new here in NC, it wasn't known nationwide so the keyword in this was "local". thank you

[james evans]

That doesn't justify Kawhi not playing. Kobe and Jordan hated their front offices and bitched about it openly but didn't pull bush league antics by not playing.
he can do whatever he wants. Team owners and coaches(yes popovich) have stuck it to players for decades, why can't we celebrate a player sticking it to a coach an team. Webber didn't like what Don Nelson trying to play him at center so he demanded a trade after he won ROY. These mfs aren't God

[Stabula]

We'll all be dead in 60 years anyway.

[SPURt]

We'll all be dead in 60 years anyway.
What better way to fill those 60 yrs than to obsess over the pain Kawhi feels standing after throwing down a Wing Stop flavored bucket of mud shrimp in the toilet?

[duncan2k5]

1. Kawhi has nothing to gain by not playing... And everything to lose if he plays hurt

2. The Spurs FO has had a great reputation for many years... So has Pop... But recently they have been making decisions that are perplexing... It is possible that the medical staff made a bad call, and Kawhi lost some confidence in them... Especially since it has been reported that he was still feeling pain after games...

3. Stop saying Kawhi has been silent... He has been telling both his teammates AND the media he isn't ready yet... You can't tell someone when u will be healed from an injury... Your body will let u know when... So he HAS been telling the media and teammates he can't play... So the issue isn't him being silent... The issue is you guys think he is lying for some weird reason...

4. Once again, if he could play, but wanted to leave, he could Kobe it up and play for stats just to get a big contract, then demand a trade... Or simply not sign one this summer... Him not playing hurts him more than helps

5. Tony Parker has always been immature... The guy banged his teammate's wife (THE most cancerous thing a teammate can possibly do), tried to steal the finals MVP from Kawhi in the 4th quarter... Hated on Danny Green's hot shooting by saying he doesn't understand why they leave him so wide open... And now saying he healed from an injury 100 times worse, in a shorter time, and wouldn't have gone for a second opinion like Kawhi did... Retire already dude

[tholdren]

1. Kawhi has nothing to gain by not playing... And everything to lose if he plays hurt

2. The Spurs FO has had a great reputation for many years... So has Pop... But recently they have been making decisions that are perplexing... It is possible that the medical staff made a bad call, and Kawhi lost some confidence in them... Especially since it has been reported that he was still feeling pain after games...

3. Stop saying Kawhi has been silent... He has been telling both his teammates AND the media he isn't ready yet... You can't tell someone when u will be healed from an injury... Your body will let u know when... So he HAS been telling the media and teammates he can't play... So the issue isn't him being silent... The issue is you guys think he is lying for some weird reason...

4. Once again, if he could play, but wanted to leave, he could Kobe it up and play for stats just to get a big contract, then demand a trade... Or simply not sign one this summer... Him not playing hurts him more than helps

5. Tony Parker has always been immature... The guy banged his teammate's wife (THE most cancerous thing a teammate can possibly do), tried to steal the finals MVP from Kawhi in the 4th quarter... Hated on Danny Green's hot shooting by saying he doesn't understand why they leave him so wide open... And now saying he healed from an injury 100 times worse, in a shorter time, and wouldn't have gone for a second opinion like Kawhi did... Retire already dude

1 through 5..... WRONG

[ducks]

There is no proof anywhere Parker did
Do you really think spurs would have kepted Parker had he?
Spurs would have shipped his dick.
Also who knows if pop is telling manu and tp to go public.
Spurs do not leak things

[Play Boban]

1. Kawhi has nothing to gain by not playing... And everything to lose if he plays hurt

2. The Spurs FO has had a great reputation for many years... So has Pop... But recently they have been making decisions that are perplexing... It is possible that the medical staff made a bad call, and Kawhi lost some confidence in them... Especially since it has been reported that he was still feeling pain after games...

3. Stop saying Kawhi has been silent... He has been telling both his teammates AND the media he isn't ready yet... You can't tell someone when u will be healed from an injury... Your body will let u know when... So he HAS been telling the media and teammates he can't play... So the issue isn't him being silent... The issue is you guys think he is lying for some weird reason...

4. Once again, if he could play, but wanted to leave, he could Kobe it up and play for stats just to get a big contract, then demand a trade... Or simply not sign one this summer... Him not playing hurts him more than helps

5. Tony Parker has always been immature... The guy banged his teammate's wife (THE most cancerous thing a teammate can possibly do), tried to steal the finals MVP from Kawhi in the 4th quarter... Hated on Danny Green's hot shooting by saying he doesn't understand why they leave him so wide open... And now saying he healed from an injury 100 times worse, in a shorter time, and wouldn't have gone for a second opinion like Kawhi did... Retire already dude
:cry

[bklynspursfan]

Nice work. Thanks for the scoop.


Cheers man. :toast Holmes couldn't have solved that mystery faster.

:bobo

[Pauleta14]

1. Kawhi has nothing to gain by not playing... And everything to lose if he plays hurt

2. The Spurs FO has had a great reputation for many years... So has Pop... But recently they have been making decisions that are perplexing... It is possible that the medical staff made a bad call, and Kawhi lost some confidence in them... Especially since it has been reported that he was still feeling pain after games...

3. Stop saying Kawhi has been silent... He has been telling both his teammates AND the media he isn't ready yet... You can't tell someone when u will be healed from an injury... Your body will let u know when... So he HAS been telling the media and teammates he can't play... So the issue isn't him being silent... The issue is you guys think he is lying for some weird reason...

4. Once again, if he could play, but wanted to leave, he could Kobe it up and play for stats just to get a big contract, then demand a trade... Or simply not sign one this summer... Him not playing hurts him more than helps

5. Tony Parker has always been immature... The guy banged his teammate's wife (THE most cancerous thing a teammate can possibly do), tried to steal the finals MVP from Kawhi in the 4th quarter... Hated on Danny Green's hot shooting by saying he doesn't understand why they leave him so wide open... And now saying he healed from an injury 100 times worse, in a shorter time, and wouldn't have gone for a second opinion like Kawhi did... Retire already dude

1 - WRONG

If he can't aggravate his injury, playing through pain would not only give him a chance for another ring, but also bring so much respect from his team and BB observers in general. That's what champions are supposed to do/be.
Tim Tony and Manu not only did it but Pop was actually the one forcing them not to play.

2 - WRONG

What decisions are you talking about? Nothing factual, just here say...

Parker is the best example that there's nothing wrong with them, even if he shouldn't brag about it, the fact it that his injury was way worse and many were pessimistic on him playing bb again.

3 - WRONG

When you are a FRANCHISE player you have to act like it. You can't only take what you want of it. Speaking to your teamates is just the minimum. What is asked of him is to publicly speak like a man with his own words, he owes it to the fans (that keep buying tickets, keep hoping for the season...).
Nothing complicate! Just 5 minutes of his time, instead of letting so many voices speculating.

4 - WRONG

Such a naive statement... Work your imagination a bit (or read some threads) and you'll find some scenarios.

5 - WRONG

I'm the first to say he shouldn't have said that but it's more a communication mistake than him wanting to take a dig at Kawhi. Tony is just often very bad in interviews, when he has to talk more than just strictly BB. (It's another subject, but people forget Tony didn't go to college and wasn't really into studies/learnig, he isn't Manu or Tim in that regard, even if he evolved a lot in term of culture, general knowledge...)
He isn't the dick you think he is.
And the story with B. Barry's wife isn't what people think it was. (again anther subject).


So yeah, try again ^^

[Gummi Clutch]

The media helped manufacture a large majority of this ridiculous soap opera garbage. At the same time, Kawhi is also to blame for not saying a single fucking word on the injury for several months.
Yea..the media is responsible for the the fact he can't show support for his teammates or be on the bench. They're responsible for why a "player's only meeting" was held. They're responsible for two of the biggest spur heros in franchise history calling his cupcake ass out.

[daslicer]

he can do whatever he wants. Team owners and coaches(yes popovich) have stuck it to players for decades, why can't we celebrate a player sticking it to a coach an team. Webber didn't like what Don Nelson trying to play him at center so he demanded a trade after he won ROY. These mfs aren't God

You sound retarded. If Kawhi is sitting out because he despises the FO and coaches then he should ask for a trade instead of sitting out and being unprofessional.

[naf srups]

1 - WRONG

If he can't aggravate his injury, playing through pain would not only give him a chance for another ring, but also bring so much respect from his team and BB observers in general. That's what champions are supposed to do/be.
Tim Tony and Manu not only did it but Pop was actually the one forcing them not to play.

2 - WRONG

What decisions are you talking about? Nothing factual, just here say...

Parker is the best example that there's nothing wrong with them, even if he shouldn't brag about it, the fact it that his injury was way worse and many were pessimistic on him playing bb again.

3 - WRONG

When you are a FRANCHISE player you have to act like it. You can't only take what you want of it. Speaking to your teamates is just the minimum. What is asked of him is to publicly speak like a man with his own words, he owes it to the fans (that keep buying tickets, keep hoping for the season...).
Nothing complicate! Just 5 minutes of his time, instead of letting so many voices speculating.

4 - WRONG

Such a naive statement... Work your imagination a bit (or read some threads) and you'll find some scenarios.

5 - WRONG

I'm the first to say he shouldn't have said that but it's more a communication mistake than him wanting to take a dig at Kawhi. Tony is just often very bad in interviews, when he has to talk more than just strictly BB. (It's another subject, but people forget Tony didn't go to college and wasn't really into studies/learnig, he isn't Manu or Tim in that regard, even if he evolved a lot in term of culture, general knowledge...)
He isn't the dick you think he is.
And the story with B. Barry's wife isn't what people think it was. (again anther subject).


So yeah, try again ^^

Just read the entire Parker, journalist exhchange and at no point did it com off as a subtle dig at Kawhi. The media and so-called spurs fans are just looking to fan the flames of dissension. Tony as he does so often spoke in a “matter of fact” manner. Was his injury 100x worse than what was initially diagnosed of Kawhi....yes. Did something change after that. It appears so from what Leonard’s camp has been leaking to the media. If you subscribe to that notion, the bigger issue here is that his teammates have been kept in the dark through this entire process. So as far as Tony is aware the injury shoudnt have warranted the extended rehab since they only knew what the Spurs medical team has told them.

[james evans]

You sound retarded. If Kawhi is sitting out because he despises the FO and coaches then he should ask for a trade instead of sitting out and being unprofessional.
how do you know he hasn't asked for a trade? And how do you do know he didn't start feeling this way until after the all star break? I'm sorry, I aint siding with power hungry men in charge anymore, regardless if it's my team or not. We saw how they let Simmons walk. We saw how Dedmond was treated last year. It takes a special kind of submissive male to play for the spurs and some guys just aint that. Do I want Kawhi to stay? of course. Am I gonna be mad if he leaves? NO. We don't own him. This isn't fucking slavery.

[daslicer]

how do you know he hasn't asked for a trade? And how do you do know he didn't start feeling this way until after the all star break? I'm sorry, I aint siding with power hungry men in charge anymore, regardless if it's my team or not. We saw how they let Simmons walk. We saw how Dedmond was treated last year. It takes a special kind of submissive male to play for the spurs and some guys just aint that. Do I want Kawhi to stay? of course. Am I gonna be mad if he leaves? NO. We don't own him. This isn't fucking slavery.

You have confirmed it for me that you are fucking retarded. :lol If this is slavery please sign me up for it. I would love to be a slave for millions of dollars and only having to work a few hours a week along with staying in 5 star hotels every week. Anyways if Kawhi had asked for a trade it would have been leaked out to the media by now that's why I don't believe he has.

[james evans]

You have confirmed it for me that you are fucking retarded. :lol If this is slavery please sign me up for it. I would love to be a slave for millions of dollars and only having to work a few hours a week along with staying in 5 star hotels every week. Anyways if Kawhi had asked for a trade it would have been leaked out to the media by now that's why I don't believe he has.
slavery isn't just picking cotton in shabby clothing and being sold on an auction block while nude. Slavery is when you don't have possession of your own labor and restrictions on your freedom. Record contracts are slave contracts. That's why when you sign a record contract, you can't do another song outside of the label working with another label unless you are granted permission by the label owner. The NBA is no differnt. Players have to structure their contracts in that they are allowed to actually play street ball or get permission to do so. Riding motor bikes isn't allowed and even appearing on certain dvds and saying certain things can lead to fines(Carmelo Anthony was fined for appearing on a Stop Snitching dvd). And the NBA life isn't just working a few hours a week. You have mandatory team meetings, morning shoot arounds, practices, before the game shoot arounds, mandatory interviews, mandatory ANSWERS in the interviews(Sheed was fined for saying "both teams played hard" over and over), can't criticize officials, mandatory photo shoots, and and mandatory promos. So no, it's not getting paid millions to for a few hours of work per week. The NBA owns their players and that is indeed a form of slavery. I'm a vetaran and NBA players make a hell of a lot more than I made in the military, but I was a slave to the government like NBA players are to team owners and Adam Silver. You're welcome.

And the reason I said "this isn't slavery" is that it's a form of slavery but not slavery in the sense of Christianity/Islam/Ancestor worship slavery

[duncan2k5]

1 - WRONG

If he can't aggravate his injury, playing through pain would not only give him a chance for another ring, but also bring so much respect from his team and BB observers in general. That's what champions are supposed to do/be.
Tim Tony and Manu not only did it but Pop was actually the one forcing them not to play.

2 - WRONG

What decisions are you talking about? Nothing factual, just here say...

Parker is the best example that there's nothing wrong with them, even if he shouldn't brag about it, the fact it that his injury was way worse and many were pessimistic on him playing bb again.

3 - WRONG

When you are a FRANCHISE player you have to act like it. You can't only take what you want of it. Speaking to your teamates is just the minimum. What is asked of him is to publicly speak like a man with his own words, he owes it to the fans (that keep buying tickets, keep hoping for the season...).
Nothing complicate! Just 5 minutes of his time, instead of letting so many voices speculating.

4 - WRONG

Such a naive statement... Work your imagination a bit (or read some threads) and you'll find some scenarios.

5 - WRONG

I'm the first to say he shouldn't have said that but it's more a communication mistake than him wanting to take a dig at Kawhi. Tony is just often very bad in interviews, when he has to talk more than just strictly BB. (It's another subject, but people forget Tony didn't go to college and wasn't really into studies/learnig, he isn't Manu or Tim in that regard, even if he evolved a lot in term of culture, general knowledge...)
He isn't the dick you think he is.
And the story with B. Barry's wife isn't what people think it was. (again anther subject).


So yeah, try again ^^

1. You mean play through pain like he did last years playoffs when he played through TWO ankle sprains before a third (Zaza)? U guys actually as if he sits out through everything... The guy literally sprained his ankle again that same game and ppl were saying he should have sat... And he played through it... So if he is sitting now, something is actually wrong

2. What decisions? Dude we CONSTANTLY talk about the bad coaching decisions pop has made on here... And the bad decisions the front office has been making lately... Where have you been???

3. He DID say in an interview that he is hurt and he is trying to come back... The fact is that fans don't care... They dismiss it because they think he is lying... What do you want him to do? Post on Twitter every 5 minutes like lebron? U guys are on here saying he isn't talking at all when he HAS... you just don't like what he has to say

4. Sure... If u say so

5. Everyone knows about the Brent Barry situation... To act as if it didn't happen is stupid... Cheating on his wife with the wife of another teammate is pretty low and cancerous...

Parker is a grown man... About to retire... He knows how to communicate... Don't act as if he is some idiot 19 year old fresh out of high school... It's insulting... Tons of players never went to college... Tons of players aren't from the US... And they don't have a history of shady comments about teammates... When look at Dirk, T-Mac, etc... Parker said what he meant

[duncan2k5]

You sound retarded. If Kawhi is sitting out because he despises the FO and coaches then he should ask for a trade instead of sitting out and being unprofessional.

How is he being unprofessional by sitting out? THE GUY IS INJURED!! wtf!?

[duncan2k5]

Just read the entire Parker, journalist exhchange and at no point did it com off as a subtle dig at Kawhi. The media and so-called spurs fans are just looking to fan the flames of dissension. Tony as he does so often spoke in a “matter of fact” manner. Was his injury 100x worse than what was initially diagnosed of Kawhi....yes. Did something change after that. It appears so from what Leonard’s camp has been leaking to the media. If you subscribe to that notion, the bigger issue here is that his teammates have been kept in the dark through this entire process. So as far as Tony is aware the injury shoudnt have warranted the extended rehab since they only knew what the Spurs medical team has told them.

Why do ppl say he isn't communicating? Pop says they talk every day... Green says they talk everyday... He practices with them and is there on the bench during games the vast majority of the time... YOU guys are assuming he is distancing himself... And how do u know parkers injury is 100x worse? Can he feel Kawhi'so pain? That's not something you say about another teammate... Imagine u have a wife and say "I had cancer too, and mine was 100x worse... I came back in less time and I trust the doctors we go to... I wouldn't have went for a second opinion like she did" wtf kinds thing is that? You don't say stuff like that about a teammate... You guys only defend Parker because u agree with him... If he said that about Duncan being in a similar situation, he would be bashed endlessly for those comments

[duncan2k5]

slavery isn't just picking cotton in shabby clothing and being sold on an auction block while nude. Slavery is when you don't have possession of your own labor and restrictions on your freedom. Record contracts are slave contracts. That's why when you sign a record contract, you can't do another song outside of the label working with another label unless you are granted permission by the label owner. The NBA is no differnt. Players have to structure their contracts in that they are allowed to actually play street ball or get permission to do so. Riding motor bikes isn't allowed and even appearing on certain dvds and saying certain things can lead to fines(Carmelo Anthony was fined for appearing on a Stop Snitching dvd). And the NBA life isn't just working a few hours a week. You have mandatory team meetings, morning shoot arounds, practices, before the game shoot arounds, mandatory interviews, mandatory ANSWERS in the interviews(Sheed was fined for saying "both teams played hard" over and over), can't criticize officials, mandatory photo shoots, and and mandatory promos. So no, it's not getting paid millions to for a few hours of work per week. The NBA owns their players and that is indeed a form of slavery. I'm a vetaran and NBA players make a hell of a lot more than I made in the military, but I was a slave to the government like NBA players are to team owners and Adam Silver. You're welcome.

And the reason I said "this isn't slavery" is that it's a form of slavery but not slavery in the sense of Christianity/Islam/Ancestor worship slavery

Nice reply, tbh

[ElNono]

In Tony's defense, he's probably the worst teammate of all time, tbh... there's plenty of documented cases, besides the Brent Barry situation, the bottle at the night club, his comments that the Spurs will likely never win another ring, giving away a competitive advantage at the Finals... he's just probably oblivious to it...

[Ice009]

Seriously, I don't believe Tony slept with Brent's wife. I'm sure of it that he didn't. He wouldn't have been on the team still if he had of IMO.

[james evans]

Seriously, I don't believe Tony slept with Brent's wife. I'm sure of it that he didn't. He wouldn't have been on the team still if he had of IMO.
well why did Brent Barry and Eva Longoria get divorces? Surely you don't think they would get a divorce for testing. Have you thought about that?

[Ice009]

well why did Brent Barry and Eva Longoria get divorces? Surely you don't think they would get a divorce for testing. Have you thought about that?

As far as I know Brent's marriage was on the rocks well before the texting. Erin Barry also vehemently denied cheating on Brent. Eva, who knows, she probably didn't trust Tony. He very well could have cheated on her with someone else, but I still don't believe he slept with Erin Barry at all. Nothing more than texting.

[daslicer]

slavery isn't just picking cotton in shabby clothing and being sold on an auction block while nude. Slavery is when you don't have possession of your own labor and restrictions on your freedom. Record contracts are slave contracts. That's why when you sign a record contract, you can't do another song outside of the label working with another label unless you are granted permission by the label owner. The NBA is no differnt. Players have to structure their contracts in that they are allowed to actually play street ball or get permission to do so. Riding motor bikes isn't allowed and even appearing on certain dvds and saying certain things can lead to fines(Carmelo Anthony was fined for appearing on a Stop Snitching dvd). And the NBA life isn't just working a few hours a week. You have mandatory team meetings, morning shoot arounds, practices, before the game shoot arounds, mandatory interviews, mandatory ANSWERS in the interviews(Sheed was fined for saying "both teams played hard" over and over), can't criticize officials, mandatory photo shoots, and and mandatory promos. So no, it's not getting paid millions to for a few hours of work per week. The NBA owns their players and that is indeed a form of slavery. I'm a vetaran and NBA players make a hell of a lot more than I made in the military, but I was a slave to the government like NBA players are to team owners and Adam Silver. You're welcome.

And the reason I said "this isn't slavery" is that it's a form of slavery but not slavery in the sense of Christianity/Islam/Ancestor worship slavery

You sound like a brainwashed idiot with all the hyperbole your spitting about the NBA. Like I said before please sign me up for this type of slavery in which I can get paid millions of dollars and work in a much less stressful environment than corporate America. Wow such awful restrictions that a player can't ride a motorcycle or play street ball without getting permission. Every job has some restrictions about what you can do outside of the workplace. You can get fired for saying something controversial on facebook,twitter if your employer doesn't agree with what you said. That's pretty much a restriction of freedom of speech for most people who work in corporate America have to deal with. Doctors are not allowed to date their own patients and if they do they lose their medical license. I'm sure they are not many doctors out there who are crying about that restriction. People who work in financial services are not allowed to accept certain types of gifts from clients without getting in legal trouble. You bitch about how NBA players can't criticize the refs without getting fined well it's even worse in a regular job where you can't criticize your boss or a person in a higher position of power without risking huge chance of getting fired.

NBA players have a lot of free time on their hands. The mandatory photo shoots, promos which you were spouting off about happen mainly during training camp. Training camp is actually the only time where NBA players have to do a lot of work and preparation but that only lasts around a month. A typical NBA schedule is that on game day a player has to go to shoot around for an hour in the morning and then is free to do whatever want to do for the rest of day until they are required to report to the arena 90 minutes before tip off. Mandatory meetings don't happen often and are a once in while deal. Mandatory interviews with the media after games are not really time consuming they only last 5-10 minutes and then you are done. Also NBA teams don't really practice much anymore. I heard Pop actually say in an interview a few weeks ago that teams rarely practice during the regular season. Doesn't really seem like a time consuming job to me if you are a player. I actually heard Devin Booker say in an interview that the hardest thing he had to deal with being in the NBA as rookie was suffering from boredom due to all the free time you get in the NBA.

If you want to say capitalism is unfair then I won't argue that but to say the NBA is slavery due to players having restrictions on them is stupid. In a capitalistic system you will always have restrictions placed on your freedom unless you are self employed and running your own business. If the NBA players don't like the way the system is run then they can quit and create their own league where they can control everything. Like I said before please sign me up for this type of slavery where I can work 3-7 hour a week getting paid millions on a guaranteed contract; have strong union protection; I can openly criticize my boss along with speaking out on controversial social issues and not have to worry about getting fired.

[DAF86]

As far as I know Brent's marriage was on the rocks well before the texting. Erin Barry also vehemently denied cheating on Brent. Eva, who knows, she probably didn't trust Tony. He very well could have cheated on her with someone else, but I still don't believe he slept with Erin Barry at all. Nothing more than texting.

What difference does it make it they fulfilled the act or not? The texting alone is bad enough.

[james evans]

I can actually pick your post apart but I'll just focus on one thing. Once they sign that contract, they cannot just quit, walk away and start their own league and get paid. That would be a breech of contract. When the contract ends, they can do that. Jordan is generating Nike billions a year and have generated them billions since signing with them in 1984. Jordan right now couldn't walk away and develop his own brand of shoes if he wanted to. The jordan brand is owned by NIKE btw.. Capitalism doesn't suck to me. I benefit from it and I enjoy it. Bottom line, if you don't own your labor and can't do what the hell you want without the ability to walk away and start fresh just that eaasily, then you're a slave. NOw, I'm sure players can retire and do as such, but even then, I don't know the full restrictions on that if for example Lebron wanted to "retire" from the NBA and go make $60 million a year in a foreign league. A mandatory interview is more than 5-10 minutes. It's normally an hour after the game and you're backstage waiting for someone to finish before you take the podium. The interview itself is only 5-10, the process of it isn't. No one practices on game day(obviously) but if your rebuttal to my post that no team practices and they just sit around and wait for games, we need not talk about anything else behind the scenes. Tom Thibodeu doesn't hold practices? :lol We haven't even discussed working out and traveling and film study. . haha. "a few hours a week " lol

[cd98]

slavery isn't just picking cotton in shabby clothing and being sold on an auction block while nude. Slavery is when you don't have possession of your own labor and restrictions on your freedom. Record contracts are slave contracts. That's why when you sign a record contract, you can't do another song outside of the label working with another label unless you are granted permission by the label owner. The NBA is no differnt. Players have to structure their contracts in that they are allowed to actually play street ball or get permission to do so. Riding motor bikes isn't allowed and even appearing on certain dvds and saying certain things can lead to fines(Carmelo Anthony was fined for appearing on a Stop Snitching dvd). And the NBA life isn't just working a few hours a week. You have mandatory team meetings, morning shoot arounds, practices, before the game shoot arounds, mandatory interviews, mandatory ANSWERS in the interviews(Sheed was fined for saying "both teams played hard" over and over), can't criticize officials, mandatory photo shoots, and and mandatory promos. So no, it's not getting paid millions to for a few hours of work per week. The NBA owns their players and that is indeed a form of slavery. I'm a vetaran and NBA players make a hell of a lot more than I made in the military, but I was a slave to the government like NBA players are to team owners and Adam Silver. You're welcome.

And the reason I said "this isn't slavery" is that it's a form of slavery but not slavery in the sense of Christianity/Islam/Ancestor worship slavery

This is actually pretty stupid. Contracts are mutual promises entered into and supported by consideration. Players and teams are under no obligation to contract with each other and when they do, they do so willingly. Slavery is when you force someone to do work and generally at no payment. It’s just a stupid comparison. People enter into contracts all the time. We do it all the time. There is no slavery if you enter into an agreement and get the benefit of your bargain.

[james evans]

This is actually pretty stupid. Contracts are mutual promises entered into and supported by consideration. Players and teams are under no obligation to contract with each other and when they do, they do so willingly. Slavery is when you force someone to do work and generally at no payment. It’s just a stupid comparison. People enter into contracts all the time. We do it all the time. There is no slavery if you enter into an agreement and get the benefit of your bargain.
What were indentured servants? A form of slavery, but not called outright slavery and yes they were paid for it. And no they didn't own their labor. They couldn't just "walk away" either. And I'm using history examples for modern day because I have 3 degrees on the subject so let's not go there please. That's another ball game. Prince was making millions from Warner brothers and when he was calling himself a slave during the 90s I thought, "this guy is worth millions, that's not slavery" and then I became knowledgeable on the workings of the world and what the term "slave" means. You can be worth over $100 million dollars and still not have freedom to do everything you want to do(that is legal of course). Yall need to get this shit out of your minds that the word "slave" - black person picking cotton on plantation.

[duncan2k5]

As far as I know Brent's marriage was on the rocks well before the texting. Erin Barry also vehemently denied cheating on Brent. Eva, who knows, she probably didn't trust Tony. He very well could have cheated on her with someone else, but I still don't believe he slept with Erin Barry at all. Nothing more than texting.

Even in your very best scenario... The guy was freaky texting his teammates wife... His is that not cancerous? And that's me being very generous... Apparently the texts indicated that they did have sex... But whatever

[daslicer]

I can actually pick your post apart but I'll just focus on one thing. Once they sign that contract, they cannot just quit, walk away and start their own league and get paid. That would be a breech of contract. When the contract ends, they can do that. Jordan is generating Nike billions a year and have generated them billions since signing with them in 1984. Jordan right now couldn't walk away and develop his own brand of shoes if he wanted to. The jordan brand is owned by NIKE btw.. Capitalism doesn't suck to me. I benefit from it and I enjoy it. Bottom line, if you don't own your labor and can't do what the hell you want without the ability to walk away and start fresh just that eaasily, then you're a slave. NOw, I'm sure players can retire and do as such, but even then, I don't know the full restrictions on that if for example Lebron wanted to "retire" from the NBA and go make $60 million a year in a foreign league. A mandatory interview is more than 5-10 minutes. It's normally an hour after the game and you're backstage waiting for someone to finish before you take the podium. The interview itself is only 5-10, the process of it isn't. No one practices on game day(obviously) but if your rebuttal to my post that no team practices and they just sit around and wait for games, we need not talk about anything else behind the scenes. Tom Thibodeu doesn't hold practices? :lol

Sight me other examples besides Thibs when it comes to practice. He has a bad rep throughout the league among players. :lol Gee I wonder why that is could it be because most coaches don't practice as much as Thibs? Players make the decision to sign these contracts. If they don't want to play in the NBA they don't have to sign the contracts and are free to do whatever they want to do and can attempt to create their own league. Jordan could have tried to create his own shoe company back in the day instead of signing with Nike but he didn't. He made his own choice in that regard. Look at what Lavar Ball is doing with Lonzo Ball by creating their own shoes.

Your original post was basically a shot at capitalism in which you said Slavery is when you don't have possession of your own labor and restrictions on your freedom . By your logic everybody is a slave unless they are self employed and run their own business. Going by that logic sign me up for NBA slavery. It seems like the best type of slavery to be a part of.

[duncan2k5]

This is actually pretty stupid. Contracts are mutual promises entered into and supported by consideration. Players and teams are under no obligation to contract with each other and when they do, they do so willingly. Slavery is when you force someone to do work and generally at no payment. It’s just a stupid comparison. People enter into contracts all the time. We do it all the time. There is no slavery if you enter into an agreement and get the benefit of your bargain.

You do know that after slavery, there was a system where the former slaves could sign contracts to work on the plantations... And they couldn't work on any other plantation until the contract was up... They got paid very little (especially compared to how much money they were making for the owners), and when the contract was up it was called "transfer day" (or free agency) where they could sign new contracts for other plantations...? There were a lot more details in this but to historians, this was generally considered slavery evolved... Simply signing a contract doesn't indicate it isn't slavery... While I won't completely equate an NBA player to a slave, they do have very limited rights... For goodness sake they had the right to wear what they want to the arena taken away... That was just petty

[duncan2k5]

What were indentured servants? A form of slavery, but not called outright slavery and yes they were paid for it. And no they didn't own their labor. They couldn't just "walk away" either. And I'm using history examples for modern day because I have 3 degrees on the subject so let's not go there please. That's another ball game. Prince was making millions from Warner brothers and when he was calling himself a slave during the 90s I thought, "this guy is worth millions, that's not slavery" and then I became knowledgeable on the workings of the world and what the term "slave" means. You can be worth over $100 million dollars and still not have freedom to do everything you want to do(that is legal of course). Yall need to get this shit out of your minds that the word "slave" - black person picking cotton on plantation.

Exactly

[james evans]

Sight me other examples besides Thibs when it comes to practice. He has a bad rep throughout the league among players. :lol Gee I wonder why that is could it be because most coaches don't practice as much as Thibs? Players make the decision to sign these contracts. If they don't want to play in the NBA they don't have to sign the contracts and are free to do whatever they want to do and can attempt to create their own league. Jordan could have tried to create his own shoe company back in the day instead of signing with Nike but he didn't. He made his own choice in that regard. Look at what Lavar Ball is doing with Lonzo Ball by creating their own shoes.

Your original post was basically a shot at capitalism in which you said Slavery is when you don't have possession of your own labor and restrictions on your freedom . By your logic everybody is a slave unless they are self employed and run their own business. Going by that logic sign me up for NBA slavery. It seems like the best type of slavery to be a part of.
no everyone isn't a slave that's employed by someone else. Especially if you have input and can indeed just walk away and do the same thing for someone else. NBA players under contracts can't just wake up on a monday and walk away from the NBA and then go play ball in another league for millions. And once again, I have no problem whatsoever with capitalism.

[cd98]

You do know that after slavery, there was a system where the former slaves could sign contracts to work on the plantations... And they couldn't work on any other plantation until the contract was up... They got paid very little (especially compared to how much money they were making for the owners), and when the contract was up it was called "transfer day" (or free agency) where they could sign new contracts for other plantations...? There were a lot more details in this but to historians, this was generally considered slavery evolved... Simply signing a contract doesn't indicate it isn't slavery... While I won't completely equate an NBA player to a slave, they do have very limited rights... For goodness sake they had the right to wear what they want to the arena taken away... That was just petty

You do know that NBA players are represented by high powered lawyers in negotiations over their contracts. Any comparison to plantation farmers post slavery is an insult. Players sign the contracts willingly and with more knowledge than you do when you sign up for cell service. Please stop perpetuating this nonsense.

[cd98]

Gee every employment contract limits where you can work during the term of the contract. If NBA players want to play basketball elsewhere, let themm negotiate an option that allows them to go to Europe. European players have those options placed in their contracts. This idea that it is slavery bc you sign to play somewhere for 5 years and then can’t play anywhere else during the 5 years reaks of people never having real world experience. All employment contracts work that way.

[cd98]

no everyone isn't a slave that's employed by someone else. Especially if you have input and can indeed just walk away and do the same thing for someone else. NBA players under contracts can't just wake up on a monday and walk away from the NBA and then go play ball in another league for millions. And once again, I have no problem whatsoever with capitalism.

They could if they negotiated it. It’s unheard of bc no one wants to opt out of the NBA to play overseas. But Euro players have options that let them out of a contract to play in the NBA.

[ducks]

How is he being unprofessional by sitting out? THE GUY IS INJURED!! wtf!?

Not by spurs doctors
He is healthy
Not taking a side for spurs him
Just pointing out a fact though

[r0drig0lac]

In Tony's defense, he's probably the worst teammate of all time, tbh... there's plenty of documented cases, besides the Brent Barry situation, the bottle at the night club, his comments that the Spurs will likely never win another ring, giving away a competitive advantage at the Finals... he's just probably oblivious to it...

do not forget the comment about heat's defense on Danny in 2013

[Hoops Czar]

do not forget the comment about heat's defense on Danny in 2013

Has he ever fully recovered from that?

[UZER]

Wow, Barry never even threw shade at Parker.

[Hoops Czar]

In Tony's defense, he's probably the worst teammate of all time, tbh... there's plenty of documented cases, besides the Brent Barry situation, the bottle at the night club, his comments that the Spurs will likely never win another ring, giving away a competitive advantage at the Finals... he's just probably oblivious to it...

This post deserves a pity response unfortunately, I'm all out of Pity.

[ElNono]

do not forget the comment about heat's defense on Danny in 2013

giving away a competitive advantage at the Finals

[SpurPadre]

As far as I know Brent's marriage was on the rocks well before the texting. Erin Barry also vehemently denied cheating on Brent. Eva, who knows, she probably didn't trust Tony. He very well could have cheated on her with someone else, but I still don't believe he slept with Erin Barry at all. Nothing more than texting.

Do you believe Orange Satan didn't sleep with Stormy Daniels, either?

[james evans]

Wow, Barry never even threw shade at Parker.
I've also never hard him say the name "Parker" on NBA TV either

[duncan2k5]

Wow, Barry never even threw shade at Parker.

They almost never bring up Parker when Barry is the analyst... U can pretty much see them avoiding Parker when talking about the Spurs

[Pauleta14]

1. You mean play through pain like he did last years playoffs when he played through TWO ankle sprains before a third (Zaza)? U guys actually as if he sits out through everything... The guy literally sprained his ankle again that same game and ppl were saying he should have sat... And he played through it... So if he is sitting now, something is actually wrong

2. What decisions? Dude we CONSTANTLY talk about the bad coaching decisions pop has made on here... And the bad decisions the front office has been making lately... Where have you been???

3. He DID say in an interview that he is hurt and he is trying to come back... The fact is that fans don't care... They dismiss it because they think he is lying... What do you want him to do? Post on Twitter every 5 minutes like lebron? U guys are on here saying he isn't talking at all when he HAS... you just don't like what he has to say

4. Sure... If u say so

5. Everyone knows about the Brent Barry situation... To act as if it didn't happen is stupid... Cheating on his wife with the wife of another teammate is pretty low and cancerous...

Parker is a grown man... About to retire... He knows how to communicate... Don't act as if he is some idiot 19 year old fresh out of high school... It's insulting... Tons of players never went to college... Tons of players aren't from the US... And they don't have a history of shady comments about teammates... When look at Dirk, T-Mac, etc... Parker said what he meant


1 - I said "IF he can't AGGRAVATE" his injury he should play. That's a big "if" but it has been confirmed so it should be taken into account!!
Last year was different, you can aggravate very easily a sprained ankle...
So if it's "just" a pain issue, YES it's disappointing at the very least when his teammates are on the verge of loosing 1 year of sacrifices basically.
If I was Manu or Tony I would be mad honestly, these guys let him shine/learn with them taking a step back when ANY other superstars would NEVER have allowed it anywhere else...
Kawhi is acting like a spoiled kid in that regards. Imagine Manu retiring without a real fight because of him?

2 - You still don't give me any example I could argue on...
I mean, yes Pop's coaching is fucked up sometimes, but on the long run? come on, the results are insane considering what he has.
Plus you can't deny/ignore the fact that the Spurs are known for being too conservative with injuries, they always wait more that necessary as a precaution, so how can anybody accuse them of being unprofessional of taking care only about their agenda? that's crazy

3 - I'm talking globally about his behavior/body language... Ok he is shy doesn't wanna talk etc so was Timmy!
But it's a job and not tennis or golf, your decisions/actions impact a whole team/franchise, you can't act only the way you feel when a whole franchise invested so much on you! (and I'm not talking about money here).
Whether there is no problem other than the injury or nothing at all, he should act differently. I'm not asking him to be a cheerleader a la Mills or a leader like Timmy or Manu, but there is a minimum bro! ^^ Where the fuck is he???

4 - You honestly can't find any scenario where Kawhi has an interest of not playing? Really? What a lack of imagination... (add the oncle in the mix, it should help! :)
But the main point in answered at the beginning, apparently HE CAN'T AGGRAVATE HIS INJURY!!
Maybe he is ultra sensitive and have a 0 tolerance in pain, I don't know... ^^

5 - "Everybody knows...". BS, nobody knows shit but talk like they saw everything, it's insane. If it was THAT simple, Tony wouldn' be a Spur anymore, wouldn't have signed extensionS since.
Again it's another (long) subject. But I trust Pop, Manu, Timmy, RC... more than any TMZ or any fan's opinion.
Regarding his communication, it's not just because of college or his scolarship, it's about his personality and the way he grew up. (again long discussion^^).
The guy is a freak in a way, he should NEVER have reached the level he reached! NEVER! but he is mentally build differently and tha's one of the main reasons he reached his (impossible) goals. He has always been weird! French people thought it was his US side and american people thought it was his french side!! lol
Look at him, his body language... he is different lol doesn;t interact normally (checking, supporting on the bench...), he isn't like Manu, can't talk about politic or sociology or philosophy. Can't express HIS opinion about anything, NOTHING!
My point is don't overreact with him, most of the time he is just a candid idiot, not a bad guy/cancer

[Pauleta14]

As far as I know Brent's marriage was on the rocks well before the texting. Erin Barry also vehemently denied cheating on Brent. Eva, who knows, she probably didn't trust Tony. He very well could have cheated on her with someone else, but I still don't believe he slept with Erin Barry at all. Nothing more than texting.

I agree.

People overrated Tony as well, he has never been a womanizer, some even thought he might be gay at some point...

Has any of you seen Tony and Eva interacting together? She was like his mother, the was the alpha in the couple, not a victim. I can very easily imagine Tony looking for someone less hollywood as well to exchange with and was apparently friend with Erin.

The Eva Longoria relationship is like the rap album, Tony reached so many crazy goals so early that he was literally living a dream. None of them suits him, none went with his skill set or personality, both were a mistakes, that's all. (We all wish we could do that kind of mistakes at 20yo no ?).

[SAGirl]

I don’t think the comment was made to troll Kiwi, but Kiwi’s tendinopathy does deserve some trolling.

“I think he’s gonna he Tiago part 2 Hopefully he’s traded and plays 19 games in 2 years then retires bc his body is breaking down.”

I mean^ that’s a troll comment ... but the point is, Kiwis situation is ripe for trolling. Think if he was more popular there would be more memes and Twitterati trolling about it.

Fir me the prospect is too painful to consider either Kiwis career is over prematurely or he’s a cancerous bitch. There’s no win win for spurfan there/

[spurs10]

As far as I know Brent's marriage was on the rocks well before the texting. Erin Barry also vehemently denied cheating on Brent. Eva, who knows, she probably didn't trust Tony. He very well could have cheated on her with someone else, but I still don't believe he slept with Erin Barry at all. Nothing more than texting.
Absolutely. Erin Berry was very eloquent on the subject though you could tell it was beneath her dignity even talking about it. :toast

If true Tony would of been traded faster than Roseanne Barr at a wife-swapping party!

[YGWHI]

Well, we actually have heard before, but we just dismissed them, like Kawhi not doing much to recruit LMA, not helping to recruit Durant at all, and not really doing anything to recruit CP3.


I actually don't blame him for not recruiting Durant because if I was in his situation I would have done the same. Why would you recruit somebody that hates you and doesn't respect you which is obvious with the shade Durant has thrown at Kawhi in the past.



I always assumed that was either because a) Kawhi was a shy/introvert or b) he had faith in PATFO to do those things and just wanted to worry about on the court things and perfecting his own game or c) all of the above.

Thhere is a fine line between shyness which most people are sympathetic to and aloofness which most people find distasteful.

We shouldn't let facts ruin Chinook tweet hating on Kawhi like always but...


"Kawhi not doing much to recruit LMA"

Well, Kawhi did the same that Tim and the rest of the guys, he traveled with them and was there recruiting LMA.

"Spurs general manager R.C. Buford met LaMarcus Aldridge, Wasserman Media’s Arn Tellem and George David in the lobby of the Beverly Wilshire Hotel on Wednesday morning and walked them upstairs to a suite. By design, they weren’t bringing him into a cold, sterile conference room. Popovich, Buford and Kawhi Leonard sat on one couch; Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Patty Mills across the way. Popovich wore a T-shirt and jeans. Some of the players wore sweat suits".

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/five-days-in-july--inside-the-free-agent-courtship-of-lamarcus-aldridge-225556837.html


"not helping to recruit Durant at all"

Kawhi didn't have any thing related to basketball that summer. He even declined USA Team invitation to play in the Olympics...His girl expected their first baby so he promised his family he wouldn't travel to stay there.

" the 24-year-old wants TO HAVE HIS SCHEDULE FREE FOR THE SUMMER in order TO BE THERE FOR THE BIRTH OF THIS FIRST CHILD"

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2648082-kawhi-leonard-declines-invite-to-play-in-rio-2016-olympics


and not really doing anything to recruit CP3

Kawhi has a nice relationship with Paul, he was in CP3 summer camp two years ago...I doubt Kawhi's words were the reason why CP3 didn't chose the Spurs.

All all the rumors about the Spurs trying to trade LMA for picks/whatever in the summer didn't help.

"Houston Rockets (http://bleacherreport.com/houston-rockets) point guard Chris Paul (http://bleacherreport.com/chris-paul) was "seriously interested" in joining the San Antonio Spurs (http://bleacherreport.com/san-antonio-spurs) this offseason but was influenced by questions regarding LaMarcus Aldridge (http://bleacherreport.com/lamarcus-aldridge)'s future."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718996-chris-pauls-spurs-interest-reportedly-influenced-by-lamarcus-aldridges-future

I wonder why Chinook would ignore these facts. He couldn't do this on purpose, no no...

[sammy]

It's all fun and games until the franchise signs somewhere else, and the Spurs end up in Seattle... thanks Tony Parker...

I know it sucks you're barely a bench player now, but you don't have to let your ego get in the way of the Spurs' future.

First calling a players-only meeting, now outright insulting the star player on the team...

What's next? Going Tonya Harding on Murray to get back his starting spot? SMDH...

Parker's injury was way worse and he's just speaking the truth! Kawhi is a wuss and all of this drama is his fault! Leaking information that he's coming back to national media and then not speaking with the team or Coach Pop!

[YGWHI]

I can't speak to how he is in the Spurs organization, but prior to this year I heard absolutely nothing negative about him.

Now, TP is hardly a saint (I'm not going there because it's not on topic). So what if he had the same injury. So what if it was "100% worse." People experience pain differently and recover differently. TP is a 6 foot guard; Kiwi is a 6'9" forward. Comparing the two is like apples to oranges. And just because TP healed just fine doesn't mean Kiwi will too. He's right to be skeptical about a team physician's diagnosis. Remember, he works for the Spurs (and not Kiwi).

Every player and coach in the league knows that Kawhi's work ethic is off the charts.

Young guys love him as role model, they voted him as NBA 3rd favorite player in the summer...You can hear interviews of these young guys in the league saying they want to be Kawhi Leonard

Also, Kawhi was 9th in selling NBA Jerseys in months he didn't even played...
http://www.nba.com/article/2018/01/16/nba-store-merchandise-sales-october-december-curry-warriors

He had more ASG votes than LMA/Parker...in a season he played only 9 games. He has plenty of loyal fans that support him.

On the other hand, Parker's passed his prime. Young players and fans don't know who is, they see him as a PG backup while Kawhi was MVP candidate in last two seasons.

I wouldn't worry about Kawhi for these Parker's comments, Kawhi's rep as gym rat is over anything Parker could say.... Only media get crazy about this, they need drama.

[r0drig0lac]

I wouldn't worry about Kawhi for these Parker's comments, Kawhi's rep as gym rat is over anything Parker could say.... Only media get crazy about this, they need drama.

I agree, and again no one has been able to prove that Kawhi is "lying" or making "little effort" to play, and even if all official sources on both sides are apparently on the same side, spurstalk investigation center has already decided that the guy who carried this team for two seasons and was completely destroying the most stacked team in history until their injury is lying

[JohnnyMax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btqU2MVEieU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBeEEnMOqzc

[Pavlov]

giving away a competitive advantage at the FinalsYou think the Heat didn't think about guarding Green until Parker said something?

[tholdren]

You think the Heat didn't think about guarding Green until Parker said something?

I wish heat would have said dont let ray shoot 3s.....

[daslicer]

giving away a competitive advantage at the Finals

Danny had burned the Heat so many time prior to game 6 there was no way the Heat were going to leave him open regardless of what Tony said. Only a retarded coaching staff would decide to gamble again and risk elimination by leaving Danny open. Say what you want about Spo but he's not even that stupid.

[Gummi Clutch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btqU2MVEieU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBeEEnMOqzc
he's so bitter. This jax was the same lockerroom distraction that had to be booted.

[TD 21]

As has been said ad nauseam, Jackson is obviously jealous and bitter. It probably won't happen, but I'd love to see Parker or even Ginobili fire back one time and put this disgraceful, ungrateful piece of shit, in his place.

Terry, I've long believed that's the typical take you'd get about the Spurs if you gave the majority of "African-American" players truth serum.

In both cases and most involving "African-Americans" in the media, tribalism is also at play.

[JohnnyMax]

skip to 0:25, parker refusing to give Kawhi the ball

https://streamable.com/ccge

[daslicer]

As has been said ad nauseam, Jackson is obviously jealous and bitter. It probably won't happen, but I'd love to see Parker or even Ginobili fire back one time and put this disgraceful, ungrateful piece of shit, in his place.

Terry, I've long believed that's the typical take you'd get about the Spurs if you gave the majority of "African-American" players truth serum.

In both cases and most involving "African-Americans" in the media, tribalism is also at play.

Agreed. I can see a scenario where the truth comes out and states that this injury was manufactured by Kawhi and his uncle just to get out of SA. In that scenario I see them spinning it by saying "He made great move. This was Kawhi and his camp showing empowerment by doing what was in their best interest."

[james evans]

Danny had burned the Heat so many time prior to game 6 there was no way the Heat were going to leave him open regardless of what Tony said. Only a retarded coaching staff would decide to gamble again and risk elimination by leaving Danny open. Say what you want about Spo but he's not even that stupid.
well Parker got his wishes as Danny wasn't left open and he got 23 shots off only hitting 6. As Duncan had a 25 point first half and on his way to his 4th finals mvp before Parker, Ginobli, and Popovich decided to throw the game

[daslicer]

well Parker got his wishes as Danny wasn't left open and he got 23 shots off only hitting 6. As Duncan had a 25 point first half and on his way to his 4th finals mvp before Parker, Ginobli, and Popovich decided to throw the game

Yes it was because of Parker that Coach Spo decided not to leave Danny open. Only person I blame for that loss is Pop.

[YGWHI]

In both cases and most involving "African-Americans" in the media, tribalism is also at play.


Agreed. I can see a scenario where the truth comes out and states that this injury was manufactured by Kawhi and his uncle just to get out of SA. In that scenario I see them spinning it by saying "He made great move. This was Kawhi and his camp showing empowerment by doing what was in their best interest."

This TD21 take sounds really bad. I wonder why tribalism is only about "African-Americans" in the media and not white media people...

[TD 21]

This TD21 take sounds really bad. I wonder why tribalism is only about "African-Americans" in the media and not white media people...

I didn't say that. It obviously goes both ways, but specifically regarding the Spurs in general and this Leonard fiasco, I've heard lots of "African-Americans" speak on it and the only one I recall who wasn't clearly pro Leonard, was Broussard, who's mixed.

[daslicer]

This TD21 take sounds really bad. I wonder why tribalism is only about "African-Americans" in the media and not white media people...

I would say they are racial biases in the media which falls into tribalism for both white and black depending on who is making the argument. I just call a spade for a spade. An example I will give is that several years ago when Jimmer came out it was just white sports analyst who thought he was a legit NBA prospect when clearly he wasn't. They were pro-Jimmer simply because he was white but not because of what he could actually do on the basketball court.

[apalisoc_9]

I didn't say that. It obviously goes both ways, but specifically regarding the Spurs in general and this Leonard fiasco, I've heard lots of "African-Americans" speak on it and the only one I recall who wasn't clearly pro Leonard, was Broussard, who's mixed.

Brousard is pro leonard

[YGWHI]

I didn't say that. It obviously goes both ways, but specifically regarding the Spurs in general and this Leonard fiasco, I've heard lots of "African-Americans" speak on it and the only one I recall who wasn't clearly pro Leonard, was Broussard, who's mixed.

I guess it's not black people supporting him...I guess some of the guys who are pro-Leonard are former players on media like Sharpe on First Take. He hates Spurs, he always talked shit about Kawhi but he supported him a few weeks ago when Sharpe talked about his own shoulder injury, he understood why Kawhi asked for a 2nd opinion/not playing.

If former NBA/NHL players on media are all blacks...could be...IDK. I don't care about race when people talk.

I don't give a shit about SJax comments, he's just a crazy guy but I liked how other former players/reporters get why Kawhi's not playing.

[YGWHI]

I would say they are racial biases in the media which falls into tribalism for both white and black depending on who is making the argument. I just call a spade for a spade. An example I will give is that several years ago when Jimmer came out it was just white sports analyst who thought he was a legit NBA prospect when clearly he wasn't. They were pro-Jimmer simply because he was white but not because of what he could actually do on the basketball court.

Not sure if race is involved in sports debates, or if all things work this way on media but I get your point.

[james evans]

Yes it was because of Parker that Coach Spo decided not to leave Danny open. Only person I blame for that loss is Pop.
was it coach spo that also took the ball out of Duncan's hands and benched him in the 2nd half?

[james evans]

Brousard is pro leonard
i love the spurs but I'm anti bullshit and I haven't liked the way we've done things for more than a few years now.

[daslicer]

was it coach spo that also took the ball out of Duncan's hands and benched him in the 2nd half?

Again your deflecting like a bitch. The original argument was Parker talking about Danny Green being open in the finals lead to the Heat not leaving him open in game 6. I'm not surprised you are deflecting since you are retarded.

[james evans]

Again your deflecting like a bitch. The original argument was Parker talking about Danny Green being open in the finals lead to the Heat not leaving him open in game 6. I'm not surprised you are deflecting since you are retarded.
check my post. I said and I quote:


well Parker got his wishes as Danny wasn't left open and he got 23 shots off only hitting 6. As Duncan had a 25 point first half and on his way to his 4th finals mvp before Parker, Ginobli, and Popovich decided to throw the game

so I ask again, was coach spo the reason for all of that? Coach spo made Parker shoot 6-23? And no I don't think he would have adjusted. He went 7 games without adjusting to Hibbert killing them. This guy aint a good coach? We're seeing how good of a coach he is since Lebron left.

[tholdren]

check my post. I said and I quote:



so I ask again, was coach spo the reason for all of that? Coach spo made Parker shoot 6-23? And no I don't think he would have adjusted. He went 7 games without adjusting to Hibbert killing them. This guy aint a good coach? We're seeing how good of a coach he is since Lebron left.

Lol

[daslicer]

check my post. I said and I quote:



so I ask again, was coach spo the reason for all of that? Coach spo made Parker shoot 6-23? And no I don't think he would have adjusted. He went 7 games without adjusting to Hibbert killing them. This guy aint a good coach? We're seeing how good of a coach he is since Lebron left.

Yes I do believe Spo made the adjustment by himself to not leave Green open. Spo is not a great coach but neither is he terrible. He has done a good job with the Heat since Lebron has left. Every year besides the first season the Heat have finished with a .500 record or slightly better. That's pretty good when you factor in the Heat also got dicked over with losing Bosh to illness.

[ElNono]

The point is Tony's job is to shut up and dribble, not telling other team's coaches how to guard the Spurs, tbh...

[TimDunkem]

The point is Tony's job is to shut up and dribble, not telling other team's coaches how to guard the Spurs, tbh...

I don't want him dribbling either.

[daslicer]

The point is Tony's job is to shut up and dribble, not telling other team's coaches how to guard the Spurs, tbh...

The point is Spo was going to make the adjustment to not leave Green open regardless of what Parker said.

[Clipper Nation]

The point is Tony's job is to shut up and dribble, not telling other team's coaches how to guard the Spurs, tbh...

His job is to shut up and pass the ball to the actually good players on the team - not dribble and play heroball, tbh.

[TD 21]

Brousard is pro leonard

Not when I heard him speaking on it, he wasn't.



I guess it's not black people supporting him...I guess some of the guys who are pro-Leonard are former players on media like Sharpe on First Take. He hates Spurs, he always talked shit about Kawhi but he supported him a few weeks ago when Sharpe talked about his own shoulder injury, he understood why Kawhi asked for a 2nd opinion/not playing.

If former NBA/NHL players on media are all blacks...could be...IDK. I don't care about race when people talk.

I don't give a shit about SJax comments, he's just a crazy guy but I liked how other former players/reporters get why Kawhi's not playing.

That plays a part too, but less so.

Many of these ex athletes turned analysts complain about how supposedly "soft" current players are, yet these same people are on the side of a player whose damn near missed a year with no break/tear or surgery and despite being medically cleared for months.

I guarantee you, if you swapped Parker and Leonard and the latter was the old one, with nothing left to prove, who had ruptured his quad, beat the timeline by 2 months and recently called a team meeting to address the former, as well as taking thin veiled shots publicly, they'd make him out to be a hero and leader.

[spursistan]

Not when I heard him speaking on it, he wasn't.




That plays a part too, but less so.

Many of these ex athletes turned analysts complain about how supposedly "soft" current players are, yet these same people are on the side of a player whose damn near missed a year with no break/tear or surgery and despite being medically cleared for months.

I guarantee you, if you swapped Parker and Leonard and the latter was the old one, with nothing left to prove, who had ruptured his quad, beat the timeline by 2 months and recently called a team meeting to address the former, as well as taking thin veiled shots publicly, they'd make him out to be a hero and leader.

:tu..

You have been uncharacteristically soft on this pathetic coward despite the evidence starting to stack up against him.:lol

I'm completely disillusioned with him, tbh..

[apalisoc_9]

Not when I heard him speaking on it, he wasn't.




That plays a part too, but less so.

Many of these ex athletes turned analysts complain about how supposedly "soft" current players are, yet these same people are on the side of a player whose damn near missed a year with no break/tear or surgery and despite being medically cleared for months.

I guarantee you, if you swapped Parker and Leonard and the latter was the old one, with nothing left to prove, who had ruptured his quad, beat the timeline by 2 months and recently called a team meeting to address the former, as well as taking thin veiled shots publicly, they'd make him out to be a hero and leader.

Yeah he mentioned a day ago he was pro Leonard.

[TD 21]

:tu..

You have been uncharacteristically soft on this pathetic coward despite the evidence starting to stack up against him.:lol

I'm completely disillusioned with him, tbh..

Its not my style to judge injuries, pain threshold, etc. Most athletes obviously want to play more than any fan could ever want them to, so I viewed this like, even if this was a mental block, anxiety type thing, fair enough.

Where I draw the line, is with him apparently showing no commitment to team off the court and hiding publicly, forcing them to constantly have to answer for him. You'd think when you're already sitting out despite being medically cleared, you'd go out of your way to be at least present as much as possible to show that you're invested.

The fact that he doesn't feel the need to do so with, in some cases, people he's played with or for, in excess of 6 seasons and practically won 2 championships with, makes it especially bizarre.

[tholdren]

Its not my style to judge injuries, pain threshold, etc. Most athletes obviously want to play more than any fan could ever want them to, so I viewed this like, even if this was a mental block, anxiety type thing, fair enough.

Where I draw the line, is with him apparently showing no commitment to team off the court and hiding publicly, forcing them to constantly have to answer for him. You'd think when you're already sitting out despite being medically cleared, you'd go out of your way to be at least present as much as possible to show that you're invested.

The fact that he doesn't feel the need to do so with, in some cases, people he's played with or for, in excess of 6 seasons and practically won 2 championships with, makes it especially bizarre.

+1 well written

[duncan2k5]

Its not my style to judge injuries, pain threshold, etc. Most athletes obviously want to play more than any fan could ever want them to, so I viewed this like, even if this was a mental block, anxiety type thing, fair enough.

Where I draw the line, is with him apparently showing no commitment to team off the court and hiding publicly, forcing them to constantly have to answer for him. You'd think when you're already sitting out despite being medically cleared, you'd go out of your way to be at least present as much as possible to show that you're invested.

The fact that he doesn't feel the need to do so with, in some cases, people he's played with or for, in excess of 6 seasons and practically won 2 championships with, makes it especially bizarre.

He has done interviews about it... What more do u want? A 60 minutes interview? He had literally done EVERYTHING you guys are saying he should do! He goes to the games, he talks to teammates and the FO... U guys sound stupid saying he isn't doing anything

[TD 21]

He has done interviews about it... What more do u want? A 60 minutes interview? He had literally done EVERYTHING you guys are saying he should do! He goes to the games, he talks to teammates and the FO... U guys sound stupid saying he isn't doing anything

He did one interview after basically being coaxed into it. I want him to be invested in this team or at least pretend to be. There's no excuse for not sitting with the team during home games and according to Ginobili, barely being around them beyond that.

[YGWHI]

There's no excuse for not sitting with the team during home games and according to Ginobili, barely being around them beyond that.
Another false narrative. He has been there all time, even sat on the floor to see home games...He only missed the home games he was training in SD, just one or two, can't remember.

Maybe Kawhi needs to call Ginobili instead of texting his younger teammates all time to prove he was close to the team.

[TD 21]

Another false narrative. He has been there all time, even sat on the floor to see home games...He only missed the home games he was training in SD, just one or two, can't remember.

And maybe Kawhi needs to call Manu instead of texting his younger teammates all time to prove he was close to the team.

So Ginobili, who is by all accounts about as salt of the earth as they come (even that scumbag Jackson was mostly praising him), lied? :wakeup

[duncan2k5]

So Ginobili, who is by all accounts about as salt of the earth as they come (even that scumbag Jackson was mostly praising him), lied? :wakeup

lied about? ginobili never said kawhi wasnt talking to them...

[duncan2k5]

He did one interview after basically being coaxed into it. I want him to be invested in this team or at least pretend to be. There's no excuse for not sitting with the team during home games and according to Ginobili, barely being around them beyond that.

ginobili never said he barely is with them...and kawhi does sit on the bench for home games...since when does kawhi do a shit ton of interviews? the guy said what he had to say already...just because OU dont believe him doesnt mean he has to go out of his way to convince YOU...im convinced