McConnell bill would legalize hemp as agricultural product

[boutons_deux]

The Hemp Farming Act of 2018 would legalize hemp,

removing it from the federal list of controlled substances and allowing it to be sold as an agricultural commodity,

If approved, the act would allow states to control their own hemp regulations by removing federal restrictions.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/380287-mcconnell-bill-would-legalize-hemp-as-agricultural-product

This is too "progress-y" to be true. There must be something rotten, corrupt in Bitch McC's bill.

American hemp used to be a bigger ag commodity than cotton

[koriwhat]

The Hemp Farming Act of 2018 would legalize hemp,

removing it from the federal list of controlled substances and allowing it to be sold as an agricultural commodity,

If approved, the act would allow states to control their own hemp regulations by removing federal restrictions.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/380287-mcconnell-bill-would-legalize-hemp-as-agricultural-product

This is too "progress-y" to be true. There must be something rotten, corrupt in Bitch McC's bill.

American hemp used to be a bigger ag commodity than cotton

hemp as a controlled substance when you can't even get high off a football field size of it. even bud with thc as a controlled substance is ridiculous.

[pgardn]

They are literally two diff varieties of the same plant. And the "medicinal" variety (marijuana) has been bred to have a very high THC content upwards of 20% in some. But has to be grown in very carefull conditions. The hemp variety is like 0.5% THC max and grows through all sorts of weather and does not have to be "babied" along.The hemp variety has a number of agricultural uses from much of the plant, from oils to an incredibly strong fabric, so I am puzzled by the timing. Why has it taken so long to even talk about legalizing the low THC variety or hemp variety that has so many uses and won't get a fly high?

Is it possible they look too much alike even though harvested at very different times and the hemp variety gets a whole lot taller? The Marijuana (high THC) is smaller and really needs lots of personal care, greenhouses, temp control, humidity control...?

So I'm not understanding... something. Which is not unusual.

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They are literally two diff varieties of the same plant. And the "medicinal" variety (marijuana) has been bred to have a very high THC content upwards of 20% in some. But has to be grown in very carefull conditions. The hemp variety is like 0.5% THC max and grows through all sorts of weather and does not have to be "babied" along.The hemp variety has a number of agricultural uses from much of the plant, from oils to an incredibly strong fabric, so I am puzzled by the timing. Why has it taken so long to even talk about legalizing the low THC variety or hemp variety that has so many uses and won't get a fly high?

Is it possible they look too much alike even though harvested at very different times and the hemp variety gets a whole lot taller? The Marijuana (high THC) is smaller and really needs lots of personal care, greenhouses, temp control, humidity control...?

So I'm not understanding... something. Which is not unusual.

The hemp is not NON-medicinal. The CBD oil widely available is derived from hemp, not mj.

THC does have some therapeutic value but it's CBD that connects to the human endocannobinoid system, only discoverd less than 40 yrs ago.

[sickdsm]

Those in the industry say that industrial hemp is limited to a novelty crop. Something to sell to hippies at Spencer's. Lots of alternatives today.


Hemp is nightmare to kill as a weed. It would have to be a rediculously good price to convince me. It is a very close cousin to TWH (tall water hemp), Palmer Amaranth, and pigweed. All of which take a large amount of chemical and tillage to control.

[koriwhat]

The hemp is not NON-medicinal. The CBD oil widely available is derived from hemp, not mj.

THC does have some therapeutic value but it's CBD that connects to the human endocannobinoid system, only discoverd less than 40 yrs ago.

you're wrong... it's a synergistic reaction between thc & cbd that works medicinally. the cbd derived from hemp is almost as comical as trying to get high from smoking hemp.

i bought 2 x $50 cbd tincture from planetK when i was wanting to help a family member during their last yr on earth. so i took 1 of those tinctures and drank the whole damn bottle in one shot. it did nothing for me whatsoever and after a week of my family member using it daily he saw no benefit. edibles made from purple panda(high cbd %) worked wonders but cbd from planetK derived from hemp was as good as any snake oil on market.

[pgardn]

Those in the industry say that industrial hemp is limited to a novelty crop. Something to sell to hippies at Spencer's. Lots of alternatives today.


Hemp is nightmare to kill as a weed. It would have to be a rediculously good price to convince me. It is a very close cousin to TWH (tall water hemp), Palmer Amaranth, and pigweed. All of which take a large amount of chemical and tillage to control.

Why is there all this crap about it being such a good fiber for fabric? The oil is a different story. The CFB is a small component of the oil. The oil has many, many uses in other countries. But if it's a nightmare to kill and is invasive, that's not good. Thanks for all the contributions from all the posters but I still don't get the bill.

[pgardn]

And the drug part of the story does to surprise me. Medicinal marijuana for some patients is of great benefit. For some people who smoke it recreationally, it makes them throw up. Which again brings the theme of how diff people react differently to drugs. My sister throws up on codeine, it makes me feel wonderful, too wonderful with not a hint of nausea. Genetics close to the same, completely different reaction.

[boutons_deux]

Hemp Food, Body Care, CBD products lead U.S. hemp retail market growing at a five year 22% CAGR

https://www.hempbizjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Hemp-Total-Market-Size-2012-2020-1024x558.jpg
(https://www.hempbizjournal.com/market-size-hemp-industry-sales-grow-to-688-million-in-2016/)https://www.hempbizjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Hemp-Total-Market-Size-by-category-2016-Hemp-Business-Journal-Vote-Hemp-Inserts-1024x692.jpg

https://www.hempbizjournal.com/market-size-hemp-industry-sales-grow-to-688-million-in-2016/ (https://www.hempbizjournal.com/market-size-hemp-industry-sales-grow-to-688-million-in-2016/)

.... is before legalization. Seems like there's lots pent-up demand and interest in industrial hemp.

[pgardn]

Hemp Food, Body Care, CBD products lead U.S. hemp retail market growing at a five year 22% CAGR

https://www.hempbizjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Hemp-Total-Market-Size-2012-2020-1024x558.jpg
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https://www.hempbizjournal.com/market-size-hemp-industry-sales-grow-to-688-million-in-2016/ (https://www.hempbizjournal.com/market-size-hemp-industry-sales-grow-to-688-million-in-2016/)

.... is before legalization. Seems like there's lots pent-up demand and interest in industrial hemp.




If sickdsm is correct, we would rather not have to "round up" this plant if it's envasive or just to rotate.
i just don't know. This hemp journal is not gonna give drawbacks.

[koriwhat]

hemp supposedly re-nourishes the soil and can thrive most anywhere.

[sickdsm]

If sickdsm is correct, we would rather not have to "round up" this plant if it's envasive or just to rotate.
i just don't know. This hemp journal is not gonna give drawbacks.

Roundup won't touch TWH, Palmer, etc. It's literally what farmers have nightmares of.

[sickdsm]

hemp supposedly re-nourishes the soil and can thrive most anywhere.

What does "re-nourish the soil"mean?

[pgardn]

What does "re-nourish the soil"mean?

Its not a legume is it? No way...
I would think he would be referring to nitrogen.

[pgardn]

Roundup won't touch TWH, Palmer, etc. It's literally what farmers have nightmares of.


There has got be some herbicide.
Although it may "scorch the earth"

[koriwhat]

What does "re-nourish the soil"mean?

meant nourish. i'm no farmer, gardener, nor botanist but i do know there's techniques like slash&burn as well as rotating crops which supposedly with hemp it's unnecessary to do. as well, growing hemp will nourish the soil again for a new kind of crop to be grown from what i read in the past.

[sickdsm]

Hemp Food, Body Care, CBD products lead U.S. hemp retail market growing at a five year 22% CAGR

https://www.hempbizjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Hemp-Total-Market-Size-2012-2020-1024x558.jpg
(https://www.hempbizjournal.com/market-size-hemp-industry-sales-grow-to-688-million-in-2016/)https://www.hempbizjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Hemp-Total-Market-Size-by-category-2016-Hemp-Business-Journal-Vote-Hemp-Inserts-1024x692.jpg

https://www.hempbizjournal.com/market-size-hemp-industry-sales-grow-to-688-million-in-2016/ (https://www.hempbizjournal.com/market-size-hemp-industry-sales-grow-to-688-million-in-2016/)

.... is before legalization. Seems like there's lots pent-up demand and interest in industrial hemp.




Using any numbers to legitimize a niche market OTHER than comparing to the main alternative's just proves my point. When is the last time you bought or used a hemp product that was listed in the ingredients but wasn't plastered all over the front of the label? Which products you mentioned wouldn't work just as well with hemps cousins?

[sickdsm]

meant nourish. i'm no farmer, gardener, nor botanist but i do know there's techniques like slash&burn as well as rotating crops which supposedly with hemp it's unnecessary to do. as well, growing hemp will nourish the soil again for a new kind of crop to be grown from what i read in the past.

I don't understand nourish. I hear that being promoted sometimes but fertility is a science, not an art. Legumes fix nitrogen but all plants require nitrogen, potassium, phosphorus, etc.

[pgardn]

I don't understand nourish. I hear that being promoted sometimes but fertility is a science, not an art. Legumes fix nitrogen but all plants require nitrogen, potassium, phosphorus, etc.

Are you a farmer? N/P/K. Can't remember the order. N/K/P by your sequence.

I have read the stuff about no till and keeping your microbes healthy in the soil. You know this stuff?

[SnakeBoy]

They are literally two diff varieties of the same plant. And the "medicinal" variety (marijuana) has been bred to have a very high THC content upwards of 20% in some. But has to be grown in very carefull conditions. The hemp variety is like 0.5% THC max and grows through all sorts of weather and does not have to be "babied" along.The hemp variety has a number of agricultural uses from much of the plant, from oils to an incredibly strong fabric, so I am puzzled by the timing. Why has it taken so long to even talk about legalizing the low THC variety or hemp variety that has so many uses and won't get a fly high?

Is it possible they look too much alike even though harvested at very different times and the hemp variety gets a whole lot taller? The Marijuana (high THC) is smaller and really needs lots of personal care, greenhouses, temp control, humidity control...?

So I'm not understanding... something. Which is not unusual.

I saw a show on this years ago. It was about a native American tribe pushing to be allowed to grow hemp as a crop. It was basically the only profitable thing they could grow on the shitty land they were given. Long story short the DEA was completely against it on the grounds that it would be impossible to monitor hemp crops to make sure marijuana wasn't being grown as well. That isn't true but it was the position the DEA had taken.

[AaronY]

The Hemp Farming Act of 2018 would legalize hemp,

removing it from the federal list of controlled substances and allowing it to be sold as an agricultural commodity,

If approved, the act would allow states to control their own hemp regulations by removing federal restrictions.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/380287-mcconnell-bill-would-legalize-hemp-as-agricultural-product

This is too "progress-y" to be true. There must be something rotten, corrupt in Bitch McC's bill.

American hemp used to be a bigger ag commodity than cotton
Nice to see you give a republican when they do something you agree with

[pgardn]

I saw a show on this years ago. It was about a native American tribe pushing to be allowed to grow hemp as a crop. It was basically the only profitable thing they could grow on the shitty land they were given. Long story short the DEA was completely against it on the grounds that it would be impossible to monitor hemp crops to make sure marijuana wasn't being grown as well. That isn't true but it was the position the DEA had taken.

This board can work together without name calling! The growing on shitty land... another tidbit.

Another bit of background right here. ^

I got a tour in Colorado of the marijuana. They have this stuff bred where it can be very potent. They are making this stuff like wine tasting in the shops. I have never even smoked or eaten an edible. But my friends were skeptical the experts that dealt out the different varieties could taste/ feel all the qualities they described. I can't stand any smoke in my lungs. I have probably received a 2nd hand high in college and did not know it.

[sickdsm]

Are you a farmer? N/P/K. Can't remember the order. N/K/P by your sequence.

I have read the stuff about no till and keeping your microbes healthy in the soil. You know this stuff?

My point being is that whenever someone wants to promote a crop, they use the line that "it's good for the ground" or something along those lines. All plants use require some fertility (your right, NPK,I getting my Ps confused) there isn't a magical plant that doesn't. Hippies like to say let's use switchgrass or corn Stover to fuel ethanol plants, somehow pretending they are not demanding just as much off the land as any other crop. Hemp doesn't do anything special to the soil. Certain crops like corn provide a lot of plant matter to improve organic matter of the soil, some, like rye have a natural ability to suppress weeds. What super power does hemp have? I'm all for having more options, I just don't understand how anyone can pretend the hemp industry is not the same as the ostrich/emu fad of the nineties.


As far as tribes, I've never saw one successful that WASN'T doing something that was illegal for the rest of the American public. Casinos, high interest loans, no taxes, etc.

[pgardn]

My point being is that whenever someone wants to promote a crop, they use the line that "it's good for the ground" or something along those lines. All plants use require some fertility (your right, NPK,I getting my Ps confused) there isn't a magical plant that doesn't. Hippies like to say let's use switchgrass or corn Stover to fuel ethanol plants, somehow pretending they are not demanding just as much off the land as any other crop. Hemp doesn't do anything special to the soil. Certain crops like corn provide a lot of plant matter to improve organic matter of the soil, some, like rye have a natural ability to suppress weeds. What super power does hemp have? I'm all for having more options, I just don't understand how anyone can pretend the hemp industry is not the same as the ostrich/emu fad of the nineties.


As far as tribes, I've never saw one successful that WASN'T doing something that was illegal for the rest of the American public. Casinos, high interest loans, no taxes, etc.

I did not see it as a super power. Just a way to get something out of land. If it over grows or inhibits other important crops that already are fine, I'm good without it. Cotton has to be rotated quite a bit I was told. If hemp is a decent replacement at lower cost less water, etc.. usage why not for a year, as long as it is not real invasive. But if it is hell to kill to replace with another crop, that's a problem.... cost and possibly environmental problem.

And the problem is not necessarily less demanding. It may be as simple as it requires too much fertilizer that becomes runoff where a legume might work better for a period of time. Runoff from fields is a problem for water systems. You pick the lesser of the problems for that particular area.

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If anybody was worried about land and water use, corn ethanol and soy diesel are prime culprits.

It looks like products and molecules derived from hemp have been proven useful, esp CBD

hemp has been around and useful a lot longer than emu oil and meat

I figure there's something rotten, corrupt, anti-progressive, as always, in Bitch McConnell's moves

eg, who's paying/hiriing Bitch McC to propose hemp legalization?

and/or hemp legalization will be attacked and blocked by law enforcement that depends on mj for arrest quotas, career advancement and pockets $Bs in civil forfeitures.

(fat, dumb cop: is this hemp or mj? if the suspect is black or brown, it must be mj, assume the position)

[sickdsm]

If anybody was worried about land and water use, corn ethanol and soy diesel are prime culprits.

It looks like products and molecules derived from hemp have been proven useful, esp CBD

hemp has been around and useful a lot longer than emu oil and meat

I figure there's something rotten, corrupt, anti-progressive, as always, in Bitch McConnell's moves

eg, who's paying/hiriing Bitch McC to propose hemp legalization?

and/or hemp legalization will be attacked and blocked by law enforcement that depends on mj for arrest quotas, career advancement and pockets $Bs in civil forfeitures.

(fat, dumb cop: is this hemp or mj? if the suspect is black or brown, it must be mj, assume the position)

Typical liberal. SJW on every issue without thinking it through. Why wouldn't you rather put your effort into legalizing marijuana instead?

[sickdsm]

I did not see it as a super power. Just a way to get something out of land. If it over grows or inhibits other important crops that already are fine, I'm good without it. Cotton has to be rotated quite a bit I was told. If hemp is a decent replacement at lower cost less water, etc.. usage why not for a year, as long as it is not real invasive. But if it is hell to kill to replace with another crop, that's a problem.... cost and possibly environmental problem.

And the problem is not necessarily less demanding. It may be as simple as it requires too much fertilizer that becomes runoff where a legume might work better for a period of time. Runoff from fields is a problem for water systems. You pick the lesser of the problems for that particular area.

Legumes use lots of fertilizer. Just not N.



Most rotation issues have to do with disease's or pests.

[pgardn]

Legumes use lots of fertilizer. Just not N.



Most rotation issues have to do with disease's or pests.

Yes. I know this. But it's an element issue as well. Nitrogen is usually the limiting element. Protein. And yes pests get established the longer you grow one species.


But it's still quite obvious we don't grow sugar beets in south Texas. Lots of cotton and maize in the coastal plains. There are clearly preferred crops for certain regions and certain soils. The climate is a major issue with the type of crops you grow. The market that has developed as well.



So you think there is really no market for hemp products in the US? We are back to the beginning of not understanding why Kentucky even bothered with this issue.

[sickdsm]

Yes. I know this. But it's an element issue as well. Nitrogen is usually the limiting element. Protein. And yes pests get established the longer you grow one species.


But it's still quite obvious we don't grow sugar beets in south Texas. Lots of cotton and maize in the coastal plains. There are clearly preferred crops for certain regions and certain soils. The climate is a major issue with the type of crops you grow. The market that has developed as well.



So you think there is really no market for hemp products in the US? We are back to the beginning of not understanding why Kentucky even bothered with this issue.

What is the product that so desperately needs hemp as an ingredient? Rope? Hemp in consumer products is just a sales gimmick at this point.

[boutons_deux]

What is the product that so desperately needs hemp as an ingredient? Rope? Hemp in consumer products is just a sales gimmick at this point.

straw man

CBD oil is an important medicine

[sickdsm]

straw man

CBD oil is an important medicine

You posted a chart that says CBD oil is only 19% share of hemp products. Sounds VERY important. Body wash and Jack off lotion have a bigger importance than medicine.

[boutons_deux]

You posted a chart that says CBD oil is only 19% share of hemp products. Sounds VERY important. Body wash and Jack off lotion have a bigger importance than medicine.

but CBD oil important as medicine to the people who need it. And due to limited legal supply, mostly from Canada, it's very expensive OTC.

I appreciate you efforts to piss on and shut down hemp in the USA. impressive.

[sickdsm]

but CBD oil important as medicine to the people who need it. And due to limited legal supply, mostly from Canada, it's very expensive OTC.

I appreciate you efforts to piss on and shut down hemp in the USA. impressive.

Lolz. I have a record of voting for hemp twice on the state ballot. I think it's a joke but freedom to choose means better crop prices.

Marijuana contains this CBD oil. Why are your efforts not into legalizing recreational marijuana instead?

[pgardn]

What is the product that so desperately needs hemp as an ingredient? Rope? Hemp in consumer products is just a sales gimmick at this point.

I have no idea.

So what would Mitch McConnel of Kentucky say?
Thats where we started. Is he just trying to get publicity for being fluid in choosing a crop to grow that we don't really need?