Kobe 12 Again

[DMC]

:lmao

ESPN article regarding "most influential players" list Kobe 12th, a number he hasn't been able to shake. Then it goes on to talk about the rape.


No link per Lefty

[Clipper Nation]

Actual quotes:

"As a young player, Bryant had a knack for... annoying traditionalists with his self-centered play, later known as Hero Ball."

"In 2003, Bryant was charged with sexual assault in Colorado -- the charge was eventually dropped when the accuser declined to testify, Bryant issued an apology and the parties settled a civil suit out of court."

"This aspect of his personality led to clashes with O'Neal, and their feud contributed to O'Neal's departure in a trade to Miami, making Bryant the sole face of the Lakers. In 2007, after the Lakers failed to build a contender, he angrily requested a trade, but reversed course after the Lakers acquired Pau Gasol in 2008 and won titles in 2009 and 2010, declaring himself a Laker for life."

"Kobe created a devoted cult of fans that often seemed to care more about him, his jerseys and his shoes than his team."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank22932314/nbarank-game-changers-25-most-influential-basketball-players-ever

I'm surprised KobESPN allowed so many facts to be published about their golden boy, tbh. :wow

[Clipper Nation]

Meanwhile...

"The résumé of five championships, two MVP awards, 15 All-Star selections and a 20-season record of incomparable consistency represent only a fraction of Duncan's quiet influence on the game he mastered. He also was the spiritual leader of basketball's most admired organization."

"SHAQ! Just the man's name evokes a sense of glee."

"James changed the paradigm for what a basketball prodigy was, and there still hasn't been anyone quite like him since."

[djohn2oo8]

lol another Kobe thread. Very original.

[LkrFan]

lol another Kobe thread. Very original.

:lol

[Clipper Nation]

lol another Kobe thread. Very original.
Weird how you went from being the biggest Kobe hater on your Michael Jordan. troll account to being a Kobe apologist, tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

Weird how you went from being the biggest Kobe hater on your Michael Jordan. troll account to being a Kobe apologist, tbh.
It was a shtick that was funny for a while. Kobe is retired now. Like retired 2 years ago? You sure talk alot about somebody who is "overrated". Get your own shtick.

[djohn2oo8]

Btw CN, funny how you went from a Jordan lover, to tear down Kobe, and then went to a Jordan hater, to prop up LeBron. You are a human pogo stick.

[Clipper Nation]

Btw CN, funny how you went from a Jordan lover, to tear down Kobe, and then went to a Jordan hater, to prop up LeBron. You are a human pogo stick.
Jordan is better than Kobe and not better than LeGOAT. That isn't an inconsistent opinion at all.

Meanwhile, you went from hating Kobe to making every excuse in the book for him, blaming everyone other than him for the decline of the Lakers, and whining every time he's mentioned negatively.

[djohn2oo8]

Jordan is better than Kobe and not better than LeGOAT. That isn't an inconsistent opinion at all.

Meanwhile, you went from hating Kobe to making every excuse in the book for him, blaming everyone other than him for the decline of the Lakers, and whining every time he's mentioned negatively.

Right on cue you pop up with a Harlem take. Shameful.

[Chris Fall]

Considering he was an overrated chucker who never won anything without a HOF big man and HOF coach, allegedly raped, threw teammates and coaches under the bus, publicly feuded with his own parents, gave himself his own brand nickname, held his franchise hostage, financially crippling their flexibility and ability to rebuild in his declining years, alienated teammates, coaches, the media, other players in the league, precipitated the worst stretch of seasons in the history of the iconic Lakers franchise, egotistically glorified his own exit with another all time chuckfest and mic... umm... gentle lay down, tweets pretentious advice and encouragement to players after retiring, and self-fellates any time cameras are in distance, how the hell is such a piece of work even on a “most influential” list? How is such a fraud of a player, lame as a person even 12th on the list? More like 112th, amirite?

Why do current players like LeBron and PG and Russ and Steph and Klay cite him as not only a legend but a guy they look up to? Why did the very guy he snitched on, Shaq, still kiss his ass in a tv segment enough to wonder if Shaq actually knows what it tastes like? Why two years after retirement do fans of other teams still get so incited by the thought of the guy that it continues to fuel their hatred well after his expiration date? For all his faults as player, person, teammate, husband, son, some of you stupid little motherfuckers can’t stop posting about him, let alone stop thinking about him. The saddest part about Kobe being on a most influential list isn’t that he’s 12th and should be higher or lower or off the list altogether. No. The saddest part is that some of you bitch-asses actually care either way.

Lame ass posters stay on his dick every chance they can get...

[AlexJones]

He should actually be #2 or #3 most influential.

[Clipper Nation]

Right on cue you pop up with a Harlem take. Shameful.
:lol What? How is that post a "Harlem take"?

[Clipper Nation]

Why do current players like LeBron and PG and Russ and Steph and Klay cite him as not only a legend but a guy they look up to? Why did the very guy he snitched on, Shaq, still kiss his ass in a tv segment enough to wonder if Shaq actually knows what it tastes like?
Because of this part:

"Kobe created a devoted cult of fans that often seemed to care more about him, his jerseys and his shoes than his team."

By pandering to Kobe, they're all hoping that Kobe's stans will view them favorably by association and buy their jerseys, buy their shoes, follow them on social media, etc. Don't forget, Kobe's huge in China, so other players attaching their names to his is a good way to get involved with that market. It's a business move.


Why two years after retirement do fans of other teams still get so incited by the thought of the guy that it continues to fuel their hatred well after his expiration date?
It works both ways. Just because Kobe retired doesn't mean his stans and the media have stopped overrating him. By your logic, we should never discuss any player after they retire. But that's just not a reasonable expectation in a sport like basketball where histories and legacies are such a big deal.

[Bynumite]

Timmy Cuck @ 24 :lmao

You would think the so called "best PF of all time" would have more influence than that:downspin:

They put Jim at 24 in honor of his playoff daddy :toast

[Killakobe81]

It was a shtick that was funny for a while. Kobe is retired now. Like retired 2 years ago? You sure talk alot about somebody who is "overrated". Get your own shtick.

This ...Kobe aint living rent free its like they paying the nicca to plow their Becky's ...
Lebron having an amazing 15th year was listed above Magic Bird etc but Kobe gets his own thread ...smh two years after he retired.
BTW on that shit list Duncan was 24th ...but i didnt make a thread bout it ...but honestly i get the angle ...its why Dirk, Nash Steph are rated so high ...they did things to change the NBA ...

[Silver&Black]

This ...Kobe aint living rent free its like they paying the nicca to plow their Becky's ...

"You guys are obsessed"

:lol Says Lakers fans who login to a Spurs Forum every single day.

[DMC]

salt pouring in lol

thread is successful

[140]

:lmao

ESPN article regarding "most influential players" list Kobe 12th, a number he hasn't been able to shake. Then it goes on to talk about the rape.


No link per Lefty Splits help tbh

[Spurtacular]

Actual quotes:

"As a young player, Bryant had a knack for... annoying traditionalists with his self-centered play, later known as Hero Ball."

"In 2003, Bryant was charged with sexual assault in Colorado -- the charge was eventually dropped when the accuser declined to testify, Bryant issued an apology and the parties settled a civil suit out of court."

"This aspect of his personality led to clashes with O'Neal, and their feud contributed to O'Neal's departure in a trade to Miami, making Bryant the sole face of the Lakers. In 2007, after the Lakers failed to build a contender, he angrily requested a trade, but reversed course after the Lakers acquired Pau Gasol in 2008 and won titles in 2009 and 2010, declaring himself a Laker for life."

"Kobe created a devoted cult of fans that often seemed to care more about him, his jerseys and his shoes than his team."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank22932314/nbarank-game-changers-25-most-influential-basketball-players-ever

I'm surprised KobESPN allowed so many facts to be published about their golden boy, tbh. :wow

Scottie Pippen may have been the forerunner for 1B's; but Kobe redefined how 1B's were seen as 1A type players. Curry took notes.

[ambchang]

Jordan being number is a joke. I read through all 100 players and there are huge consistencies around why they are ranked the way they are but generally it’s about how they impact how the player contribute to the style of the game and how the player controvutee to social causes. Jordan influenced the game for the worse with hero balling and his social stance was appalling. The narrative changed the to how to run your own brand as a business. Which was t even a criteria Ip till that point. But then if it was is the article saying a player earning billions and inspiring others to do so (really, I need someone to influence me to be rich) is more important that standing up for social issues.

Shaq didn’t really influence the game in the sense that there really isn’t another shaq. It’s a joke that Phil Jackson Steve Kerr and D’Antoni made the list for their coaching and yet tomjonavich who really is the first coach to legitimize the three as a weapon didn’t.

Same deal with wilt. I don’t know what he has done for civil rights and such. Unlike players like Russell and jabbar.

Robinson, giving millions upon millions to child education is somehow not influential. At least they didn’t put in Karl Malone as knocking up 12 year olds isn’t really an influential thing.

The list was horrible and just another way to put Jordan as number one.

[Spurtacular]

Jordan being number is a joke. I read through all 100 players and there are huge consistencies around why they are ranked the way they are but generally it’s about how they impact how the player contribute to the style of the game and how the player controvutee to social causes. Jordan influenced the game for the worse with hero balling and his social stance was appalling. The narrative changed the to how to run your own brand as a business. Which was t even a criteria Ip till that point. But then if it was is the article saying a player earning billions and inspiring others to do so (really, I need someone to influence me to be rich) is more important that standing up for social issues.

Shaq didn’t really influence the game in the sense that there really isn’t another shaq. It’s a joke that Phil Jackson Steve Kerr and D’Antoni made the list for their coaching and yet tomjonavich who really is the first coach to legitimize the three as a weapon didn’t.

Same deal with wilt. I don’t know what he has done for civil rights and such. Unlike players like Russell and jabbar.

Robinson, giving millions upon millions to child education is somehow not influential. At least they didn’t put in Karl Malone as knocking up 12 year olds isn’t really an influential thing.

The list was horrible and just another way to put Jordan as number one.

ABC's of selling, bro. There's money in Jordan; ESPN gets that.

[Expert]

Considering he was an overrated chucker who never won anything without a HOF big man and HOF coach, allegedly raped, threw teammates and coaches under the bus, publicly feuded with his own parents, gave himself his own brand nickname, held his franchise hostage, financially crippling their flexibility and ability to rebuild in his declining years, alienated teammates, coaches, the media, other players in the league, precipitated the worst stretch of seasons in the history of the iconic Lakers franchise, egotistically glorified his own exit with another all time chuckfest and mic... umm... gentle lay down, tweets pretentious advice and encouragement to players after retiring, and self-fellates any time cameras are in distance, how the hell is such a piece of work even on a “most influential” list? How is such a fraud of a player, lame as a person even 12th on the list? More like 112th, amirite?

Why do current players like LeBron and PG and Russ and Steph and Klay cite him as not only a legend but a guy they look up to? Why did the very guy he snitched on, Shaq, still kiss his ass in a tv segment enough to wonder if Shaq actually knows what it tastes like? Why two years after retirement do fans of other teams still get so incited by the thought of the guy that it continues to fuel their hatred well after his expiration date? For all his faults as player, person, teammate, husband, son, some of you stupid little motherfuckers can’t stop posting about him, let alone stop thinking about him. The saddest part about Kobe being on a most influential list isn’t that he’s 12th and should be higher or lower or off the list altogether. No. The saddest part is that some of you bitch-asses actually care either way.

Lame ass posters stay on his dick every chance they can get...
Cool story


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[Chris Fall]

12. Uhh ok. What is 12 to me?

Fuck Kobe. I don’t give a damn about that piece of shit, pretentious, attention whore.

Point was why are there people who hate him still obsessing over and talking about him?

He’s irrelevant now. Let him go.

[Thebesteva]

Jordan is better than Kobe and not better than LeGOAT. That isn't an inconsistent opinion at all.

Meanwhile, you went from hating Kobe to making every excuse in the book for him, blaming everyone other than him for the decline of the Lakers, and whining every time he's mentioned negatively.

im like 80% sure this is kate fabers account tbh

[ambchang]

Here is what people say about the most influential player in NBA history:

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/book-young-tiger-woods-warned-stay-away-michael-jordan-174112161.html

Stay the hell away from him because he will use you. :lol Sociopath.

There are three major aspects of influence in the NBA, the game (style, rule changes), philanthropic (making the world a better place, social issues), and commercial.

While it is without question Jordan ruled the commercial success of his days, and opened the door up for mass acceptance of NBA players as spokesmen and major brands, there were others with stronger influence on the style of the game. On Philanthropic topics, his history was horrific to say the least.

My own list, and including coaches (not just limited to players), in more or less chronological order:

Style:
Russell and Cousy - Started the fast break type of play, with Russell turning defense into offense. Obviously Auerbach is important in this aspect as well
Maurice Stokes - The first point forward
Baylor - The first skywalker, above the rim player
West - combo guard, logo, shrewd executive
Big O - The first do everything big guard
Dan Issel/Bob McAdoo - Outside shooting bigs
Jack Ramsey - Made personal fitness a staple in basketball
Mikan / Wilt - All kinds of rule changes to help reduce the impact of ridiculous dominant big men and give the little guys a fair chance. But that was during the infancy of the game when rules were supposed to be changed
Magic / Bird - Make passing fun again
Ralph Sampson - Ball handling big with outside shooting
Chuck Daly - Defense defense defense. Dominated the entire NBA style in the 90s and early 00s.
Isiah Thomas - First scoring small guard to lead a team to championship, setting the path for players like Tim Hardaway, Allen Iverson, Kemba Walker, etc ....
Jordan - First scoring guard to lead a team to domination of the league. Paving the way for Penny, Grant Hill, Carter, TMac, Kobe, Stackhouse, etc ... The league also changed the rules to make it more aesthetically pleasing, and perimeter friendly in the quest for the next Jordan
Pippen - The cross between Magic and Lebron.
Rudy T. - Making the three a legitimate part of the game rather than a gimmick or end of game prayers. Of course it wouldn't have been possible without Hakeem
Robinson - Center with a small forward game, prototype of players like Garnett, and pretty much every big in today's game
Riley - Cap management
Adelman --> Morey/D'antoni --> Pop --> Kerr/Curry - Taking the game back to the passing based game, currently dominating the league, and likely for the foreseeable future
Dirk - Sweet shooting PF that every PF now adays is trying to emulate (and without much success so far)

As much as I want to say Lebron, his combination of skill, size and basketball IQ is just so unparalleled that it is not really influential, you just can't duplicate a Lebron. Same goes for Shaq and Barkley.

Philanthropic:
Russell, Kareem, Big O - civil rights for the black community
Mutombo - The guy builds communities
Bol - ditto
Robinson - Schools
Magic/Amaechi/Collins/Duncan - Gay rights
Magic - serving financially under privileged areas
Lebron/Pop/Kerr - current social issues

Commercial:
Jordan is the king here, no dispute
Clyde - First signature shoes
Kobe - shoes, business, film
Lebron - a brand unto himself
Shaq - see Lebron

[Mitch]

Kobe talked about more in a spur forum than dunc,tbh

[Expert]

12. Uhh ok. What is 12 to me?

Fuck Kobe. I don’t give a damn about that piece of shit, pretentious, attention whore.

Point was why are there people who hate him still obsessing over and talking about him?

He’s irrelevant now. Let him go.

I let him go


all the way to 12

[Expert]

Kobe talked about more in a spur forum than dunc,tbh

This is the NBA forum.

[RsxPiimp]

dmc in this thread tbh:lol

https://media.tenor.com/images/cb47381ef409d27a0f3a09f2dd57c840/tenor.gif

[140]

This is the NBA forum.

[Killakobe81]

He should actually be #2 or #3 most influential.

On this forum alone, he should be higher than anyone not named Pop or Duncan tbh
But 12th is fine you can definitely make a case to move him up or down a few spots but wgaf?!

[Clipper Nation]

"Why is Kobe talked about so much on a Spurs message board?" says Killakobe81 on SpursTalk.com.

[phxspurfan]

Magic/Amaechi/Collins/Duncan - Gay rights

https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/kf0hJhsc.PdAgWxN3Xr3MA--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wME EzMDA7aD01MTA7dz00MDA-/http://megalawlz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/funny-i-see-owl-pictures.jpg.cf.jpg

[Mitch]

This is the NBA forum.

He's not in thr NBA either

[Koolaid_Man]

:lmao

ESPN article regarding "most influential players" list Kobe 12th, a number he hasn't been able to shake. Then it goes on to talk about the rape


No link per Lefty

I See you still got Kobe's dick dangling out your ass by way of your mouth...some forms of faggotry just don't change I guess...where are you're homosexual friends Chuco, M>s, Clipper Nation, BR Hornet, and that dick in the booty ass pasty ass Midnight_Pulp....not to mention GNSF...yall still having gay orgies to Tammy posters.

[Silver&Black]

"Why is Kobe talked about so much on a Spurs message board?" says Killakobe81 on SpursTalk.com.

[Expert]

Pullin' niggas out of retirement to bring the salt.

Hey at least someone woke up.

[Killakobe81]

"Why is Kobe talked about so much on a Spurs message board?" says Killakobe81 on SpursTalk.com.

nicca u a clipper fan on a spurs board talking more Kobe than anyone except Amb ...you got more Kobe posts than me ...
but read what you posted ...
i stopped discussing him two years ago except for a reply here and there in most cases i refuse to use his name.
if it wasnt tied to all my internet posts/gaming tags ...id retire this shit. It was cool in my early 20s but now wish i had chose something different for here at least.
ahh well.