Kiwi trade option: Screw prospects

[$pursDynasty]

I heard a lot of talking heads mentioning teams that could possibly contact the Spurs to trade for Kiwi. People mention Boston with all their prospects and draft picks being the major contender. That prospect leaves me cold I don't want the Spurs to become the Celtics before they got Kyrie. Draft picks are a crap shoot. I see it this way Kiwi at his best is the 3rd best player in the league so I would make a list of the top 20 or so players in the league I would be determined to get one (or a couple of them). There are some you are not going to get because they are either untouchable or free agents (LBJ, Harden, Westbrook, Curry, PG) but everyone else would be on the table.
*KD, yea he is higher on the list than Kiwi, but I am not sure if KD isn't becoming the Wesbrick of the Dubs, incredibly talented but not the best for the team culture or beloved by the team's foundational player.
*The Brow he always sits atop the best player in 3-5 years category but hasn't been able to lead the Pels anywhere, is kind of redundant with Boogie (KL and Boogie would fit better than AD and Boogie and you can't trade Boogie), might be as unhappy there as Kiwi seemingly is in SA.
*Jimmy Butler to me the TPups would either have to add something or take the Pau or Patty contracts off our books for that to be a fair trade.
*Kyrie, in the NBA hierarchy Kiwi is above Kyrie so Ainge would listen. Kyrie might not be opposed since the Spurs not the Celtics were on his original list of teams to play for.

Then there are the all NBA types that while talented haven't been able to lead their teams to postseason success or in some cases even appearances:
John Wall, Giannis, Rudy Gobert, Porzingus or Kemba.
I just don't want a bag full of draft picks and guys would might be better in the future.

[jermaine]

I could see a trade to Hornets for Kemba an Batum

[lmbebo]

I could see a trade to Hornets for Kemba an Batum

horrible trade.

I'd target something like John Wall and someone else off of Washington.

[313]

PATFO has done pretty well with the few lotto picks they've had, so I wouldn't be opposed to trading him for prospects and high draft pick(s). The Spurs would lose any player -> trade unless Kawhi will never be healthy again, which is possible. The lack of communication from Kawhi's "group" definitely should be a red flag going into FA. IF Kawhi isn't healthy why can't he just communicate that to the team, and sit courtside with his teammates?

[MaNu4Tres]

Kawhi, Pau or Patty for Jaylen Brown, Hayward, and Kings 1st in 2019

[$pursDynasty]

Kawhi, Pau or Patty for Jaylen Brown, Hayward, and Kings 1st in 2019
replace Brown and Hayward with Kyrie and I am down. I want at least a player that has been All NBA at least once or has the potential to be that.

[Brunodf]

Picks >>>> all the injury prone players u guys are listing tbh

And if they trade him, it should be to the East

[palangi]

I still like him to the Lakers for Brandon Ingram, Julius Randle (contact extension), and their first rounder

[baseline bum]

I still like him to the Lakers for Brandon Ingram, Julius Randle (contact extension), and their first rounder

Their first goes to Philly this year I think.

[cd98]

Any trade will suck for the Spurs. Just won't get equivalent value for Kawhi's known value. The best we can hope for is a draft pick that hits, kind of like Memphis got with Gasol as a throw in for the Pau Gasol trade.

[DPG21920]

I would much rather get a BOS/BKY like trade going (where you get a ton of picks) and let SA build on their own. They are the best drafting team in the league, need small salaries and can draft culture and talent better than anyone.

[TheGreatYacht]

I would much rather get a BOS/BKY like trade going (where you get a ton of picks) and let SA build on their own. They are the best drafting team in the league, need small salaries and can draft culture and talent better than anyone.
:lol

[DPG21920]

:lol

What’s up? What do you disagree with? Also, I’ve noticed you stopped @‘ing me so much now that SA is firmly back in the playoff race. Did you go on vacation or something?

[Ice009]

If I had a choice, I'd want Anthony Davis. None of those other guys or packages interest me. Most of those guys aren't very good when comparing to a healthy Kawhi.

[djohn2oo8]

I still like him to the Lakers for Brandon Ingram, Julius Randle (contact extension), and their first rounder
Lakers will be happy to make that trade.

[$pursDynasty]

If I had a choice, I'd want Anthony Davis. None of those other guys or packages interest me. Most of those guys aren't very good when comparing to a healthy Kawhi.
my point is all fantasy GM's think they can nail the draft prospects but there is only one can't miss player per decade. I want an All NBA talent in return, now we still lose in that case because there are only two players I consider better than Kiwi, but someone close would be preferable to a prospect. AD or KD (despite his thin skin) would be what I would consider winning the trade. Kyrie, or Jimmy B (plus a draft pick), or Gobert (+ their super rookie) wouldn't be the worst thing but just a boat load of draft picks...meh.

[palangi]

Lakers will be happy to make that trade.

That's called a good trade. Both sides happy

[DaBears]

Lakers will be happy to make that trade.

Stepping out on a limb here, cuz i normally wouldnt say this!! But as a knee jerk reaction this trade is utterly trash.. How can you trade a top 3-5 player in this league for not even a top 15 player in Ingram and not even a top 20 in PF... Come on! teams that trade their franchise players will never get equal value back in return.. If we base trade value off were KL is ranked he is a top 3-5 players, that means there are only 3-4 other players better than him.. So running the numbers you will not get equal value in return.

[DaBears]

i would trade LK for AD or Greek Freak and 1 or 2 others.

[TheGreatYacht]

Randle has been a consistent 20 & 10 guy for the last few months, and Ingram is averaging a very efficient 16ppg in his second year.

That would be a great return and a no brainer if a pick is involved.

Aldridge/Gasol
Randle/Fathead
Ingram/Gay
Mills/Ginobili
Murray/Parker

[BackHome]

I think people forget that even though Kawhi was out the whole season we still doing pretty damn good with the guys we got. So if you can trade him and get good starter players and maybe a draft pick I think we could get back in the hunt.

If we did the above trade and get rid of For es and Pail and look at bringing over our stashed picks
1. Milutinov 7 footer screen setter dunker great hands
2. Hanga 6”7 - if we can’t hang on to green and loose Kawhi this is a no brainer
3. Dangubic- 6”8 - Dude sucked when he was picked but like Hanga has gotten a whole lot better. Very athletic loves to dunk and like Hanga can play great defense. I think he is shooting 40% from the 3

As far as Parker and Mills one has to go

[Raven]

I could see a trade to Hornets for Kemba an Batum

good god

[George Gervin's Afro]

Ben Simmons

[phxspurfan]

I'd target something like John Wall and someone else off of Washington.

That would be awesome. Something like Kawhi for Wall, Porter and possibly a pick. But doubt they do it. Perhaps they do it if we throw in Murray


My god if we had Wall, Aldridge, some shooters like Green, Porter, Mills etc. We would instantly turn into one of the league's best offenses. Then just need some defensive specialists like Avery Bradley as a FA signing.

[ElNono]

Randle is garbage

[exstatic]

I still like him to the Lakers for Brandon Ingram, Julius Randle (contact extension), and their first rounder

Their first roundnderis going to be a meh pick, and probably bad from here on in. Boston has the best assets. Get Jaylen, that Kings pick next year, and filler.

[Big Empty]

If Phili could land LeBron wonder if we could get Simmons and Fultz for Kawhi. DM is 6’5 so he could play a 2.

[exstatic]

If Phili could land LeBron wonder if we could get Simmons and Fultz for Kawhi. DM is 6’5 so he could play a 2.

You can’t play Fultz and DeJounte together. Neither can shoot. Simmons can’t shoot either. That lineup would be a disaster.

[jbspurs]

Randle has been a consistent 20 & 10 guy for the last few months, and Ingram is averaging a very efficient 16ppg in his second year.

That would be a great return and a no brainer if a pick is involved.

Aldridge/Gasol
Randle/Fathead
Ingram/Gay
Mills/Ginobili
Murray/Parker

Very good deal for both teams. Ingram is long, can guard Durant, lots of upside. Randle next to Aldridge will be a solid. I hope it happens!

[palangi]

Their first roundnderis going to be a meh pick, and probably bad from here on in. Boston has the best assets. Get Jaylen, that Kings pick next year, and filler.

Getting Brandon Ingram is the coup here

[exstatic]

Very good deal for both teams. Ingram is long, can guard Durant, lots of upside. Randle next to Aldridge will be a solid. I hope it happens!

That pick would be crap, not much better than ours. Randle is also in line to get paid. His rookie contract is almost done he’ll probably walk, so then you’re trading Kawhi for Ingram and the pick. You’re also rewarding Kawhi’s hold out by trading him exactly where he wants to go. Jaylen plays SF, and that Sacto pick for next year will likely be top 5, going by their history of suckage.

[keithington1]

Tatum and Brown would be ideal. I like Jabari Parker but he's a free agent. I can't think of any other desirable players we could obtain.

[mo7888]

Josh Jackson, one of their young PF's, plus their top pick

[SAGirl]

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[eDizzle20]

Ingram and Kuzma for Kawhi. You could maybe add Josh Hart in there too. The Lakers naturally will have offer more since they're in the same conference as the Spurs. Additionally, Kawhi has not out right stated that he wants to play for the Lakers so another team having his bird rights and the ability to offer him super max may make the Lakers be willing to part with their top young pieces. I'm sure the Lakers would like to lure Paul George or LeBron with the idea of playing with Kawhi. If Kawhi is on the trading block this offseason no question plenty of teams will be interested.

[$pursDynasty]

Ingram and Kuzma for Kawhi. You could maybe add Josh Hart in there too. The Lakers naturally will have offer more since they're in the same conference as the Spurs. Additionally, Kawhi has not out right stated that he wants to play for the Lakers so another team having his bird rights and the ability to offer him super max may make the Lakers be willing to part with their top young pieces. I'm sure the Lakers would like to lure Paul George or LeBron with the idea of playing with Kawhi. If Kawhi is on the trading block this offseason no question plenty of teams will be interested.
add in Julius Randle and it might be the best we can get. I'd prefer Kyrie or AD or Gobert (plus) but Ingram, Kuzma and Randle wouldn't be the worst thing.

[Spurs9]

add in Julius Randle and it might be the best we can get. I'd prefer Kyrie or AD or Gobert (plus) but Ingram, Kuzma and Randle wouldn't be the worst thing.

I’d do that or try to hustle a KAT, Wiggins and picks deal. :lol. Booker, Jackson and picks could be good also.

[offset formation]

I have seen some pathetic rumors for Kawhi.

Like what same GM thinks the Spurs trade Kawhi for Hayward, Horford, and a pick?

If Kawhi is traded to Boston, it ain't gonna be for a past their prime player and one coming off a serious injury.

[$pursDynasty]

I’d do that or try to hustle a KAT, Wiggins and picks deal. :lol. Booker, Jackson and picks could be good also.
Hell how many playoff appearances have KAT lead the Timberpups to? Why not KAT and hell Wiggins and make them take Pau, they like ex Bulls and need that vet leadership. Wiggins and Kat don't play defense so trading them for Kiwi would be fine with Tibs not sure about ownership though.

[FireMicoHalili]

What’s up? What do you disagree with? Also, I’ve noticed you stopped @‘ing me so much now that SA is firmly back in the playoff race. Did you go on vacation or something?
Damnnnn owned hahahahaha

[szkorhetz]

I have seen some pathetic rumors for Kawhi.

Like what same GM thinks the Spurs trade Kawhi for Hayward, Horford, and a pick?

If Kawhi is traded to Boston, it ain't gonna be for a past their prime player and one coming off a serious injury.
Yeah, since Kawhi is coming off a sensational season.
You guys are acting like the guys is wanting to get traded after an MVP-level season. His trade value is low as fuck.

[Chinook]

Trade him and Pau to OKC for PG. Move whatever you need to to turn Mills into Walker.

[BatManu20]

Kawhi to Memphis for Marc Gasol and their Top 5 pick this year. :hat

[Spurs9]

Hell how many playoff appearances have KAT lead the Timberpups to? Why not KAT and hell Wiggins and make them take Pau, they like ex Bulls and need that vet leadership. Wiggins and Kat don't play defense so trading them for Kiwi would be fine with Tibs not sure about ownership though.
What are the odds Kawhi even signs with the team we trade him to? I’ll trade him for AD straight up too.

[BillMc]

Somehow get Ben Simmons and a pick. If not, get Porzingis and pick. If not get Walker and multiple picks. Or maybe Kyrie after all?

[TD 21]

I realize there's such a thing as a sign and trade, but Randle and George are free agents and the latter would never sign here, just like Leonard would never extend with the Suns, which is why they wouldn't trade for him.

Forget about premiere young assets, like Simmons and Booker; teams aren't trading them. If it comes to it, the centerpiece of the package should and more than likely would be a young player, whose already shown they're a core player and has flashed star potential (think Brown, Tatum, etc.). Anything else would be too risky.

[DJR210]

I could see a trade to Hornets for Kemba an Batum

:lmao


I have seen some pathetic rumors for Kawhi.

:lol same.. this piece of shit online magazine called Inquistr writes a different article a day of which team would be foolish not to go after Kawhi, and everyday it becomes more apparent that these guys have no idea who Kawhi is.

[BackHome]

The Suns have a shit load of first picks could we get one and do they have any player we would want?

[cd021]

Randle has been a consistent 20 & 10 guy for the last few months, and Ingram is averaging a very efficient 16ppg in his second year.

That would be a great return and a no brainer if a pick is involved.

Aldridge/Gasol
Randle/Fathead
Ingram/Gay
Mills/Ginobili
Murray/Parker
Randle and Ingram + a late first for Kawhi? :lol
Phoenix, Cleveland, Boston, and even Philly could easily beat anything LA could offer.

[Chinook]

I realize there's such a thing as a sign and trade, but Randle and George are free agents and the latter would never sign here, just like Leonard would never extend with the Suns, which is why they wouldn't trade for him.

Forget about premiere young assets, like Simmons and Booker; teams aren't trading them. If it comes to it, the centerpiece of the package should and more than likely would be a young player, whose already shown they're a core player and has flashed star potential (think Brown, Tatum, etc.). Anything else would be too risky.

George was widely rumored to be open to re-signing with SA had they completed the trade for him. Kyrie apparently wanted SA. While a good deal of that might have been due to Kawhi, SA showing really well without Leonard while also adding Walker should bode well for their overall attractiveness. From SA's perspective, making those aforementioned moves puts the team in position to keep a strong core around Walker/George/Aldridge while also avoiding the luxury tax. Unlikely, yes, but I would put that team at number 3 on paper.

[teddygreen]

https://clipperholics.com/2018/04/03/kawhi-leonard-los-angeles-clippers-real-possibility/

Kawhi Leonard to the Los Angeles Clippers is a real possibility (https://clipperholics.com/2018/04/03/kawhi-leonard-los-angeles-clippers-real-possibility/)
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(https://clipperholics.com/2018/04/03/kawhi-leonard-los-angeles-clippers-real-possibility/)
Clipper owner Steve Ballmer seems to like the idea.

[coachmac87]

George was widely rumored to be open to re-signing with SA had they completed the trade for him. Kyrie apparently wanted SA. While a good deal of that might have been due to Kawhi, SA showing really well without Leonard while also adding Walker should bode well for their overall attractiveness. From SA's perspective, making those aforementioned moves puts the team in position to keep a strong core around Walker/George/Aldridge while also avoiding the luxury tax. Unlikely, yes, but I would put that team at number 3 on paper.


Find it odd that two stars bigger then Kawhi wanted or were interested in committing long term..yet Kawhi rumored to bolt to become a “bigger star”

Tbh I don’t buy it...but whatever

[BackHome]

We’re there is smoke there is fire and the house is burning. Glad to see teams are starting to get into the hunt the more teams the better deal the Spurs can get.

All this crazy shit started after his uncle took over I wonder if he is related to Ball?

[TimDunkem]

Trade him and Pau to OKC for PG. Move whatever you need to to turn Mills into Walker.

Yes please.

[SAGirl]

George was widely rumored to be open to re-signing with SA had they completed the trade for him. Kyrie apparently wanted SA. While a good deal of that might have been due to Kawhi, SA showing really well without Leonard while also adding Walker should bode well for their overall attractiveness. From SA's perspective, making those aforementioned moves puts the team in position to keep a strong core around Walker/George/Aldridge while also avoiding the luxury tax. Unlikely, yes, but I would put that team at number 3 on paper.


Find it odd that two stars bigger then Kawhi wanted or were interested in committing long term..yet Kawhi rumored to bolt to become a “bigger star”

Tbh I don’t buy it...but whatever
Paul George always said he was LA bound... he actually tried to dissuade other teams in trading for him to pressure Indiana to take whatever LA was offering... I can't recall the details well, but it was clear he said LA...

Kyrie most likely wanted out of the situation he was in no matter what and wanted to go to a good team, since he wants to have both his own team and win outside of Lebron's shadow... he wasn't about to welcome being sent to the Magic for example... he wanted a good organization. He's happy now where he is and I think he is in the Celtics future... both those I don't consider realistic.

Walker is more realistic...

[DPG21920]

Trade him and Pau to OKC for PG. Move whatever you need to to turn Mills into Walker.

You saying PG does a sign & trade?

[TD 21]

:lmao At teams will inquire being "news" (as if it wasn't obvious or means it's any more likely to happen). I know the media loves to sensationalize, but it's also clear they're enjoying every bit of this.



George was widely rumored to be open to re-signing with SA had they completed the trade for him. Kyrie apparently wanted SA. While a good deal of that might have been due to Kawhi, SA showing really well without Leonard while also adding Walker should bode well for their overall attractiveness. From SA's perspective, making those aforementioned moves puts the team in position to keep a strong core around Walker/George/Aldridge while also avoiding the luxury tax. Unlikely, yes, but I would put that team at number 3 on paper.

I don't think the Spurs "showing really well" without Leonard bodes well for their overall attractiveness. Unfortunately, I think it reinforces this misguided notion that they can plug and play "anyone in that system", which is exactly what most superstars and stars don't want: Someone else receiving equal or greater credit to them.

I also think, again unfortunately, this whole fiasco, particularly if it ends in Leonard's requesting a trade, will reinforce the perception that they don't know how to appeal to or deal with "African-American" superstars or stars.

Whatever interest Irving and maybe George had, was more than likely contingent on Leonard's being here.

[BackHome]

I like the Clippers trade right now they own the 12th and 13th pick

[coachmac87]

:lmao At teams will inquire being "news" (as if it wasn't obvious or means it's any more likely to happen). I know the media loves to sensationalize, but it's also clear they're enjoying every bit of this.





I don't think the Spurs "showing really well" without Leonard bodes well for their overall attractiveness. Unfortunately, I think it reinforces this misguided notion that they can plug and play "anyone in that system", which is exactly what most superstars and stars don't want: Someone else receiving equal or greater credit to them.

I also think, again unfortunately, this whole fiasco, particularly if it ends in Leonard's requesting a trade, will reinforce the perception that they don't know how to appeal to or deal with "African-American" superstars or stars.

Whatever interest Irving and maybe George had, was more than likely contingent on Leonard's being here.



Winning sells more than anything...

You gotta put yourself out there..I’d buy the marketing narrative but I’m sorry Kawhi doesn’t have it..and I haven’t seen anything to show me otherwise.

Plus he’d be feeding off the “Laker Brand” and building his “Own Brand”

[Chinook]

Find it odd that two stars bigger then Kawhi wanted or were interested in committing long term..yet Kawhi rumored to bolt to become a “bigger star”

Tbh I don’t buy it...but whatever

I do think those stars wanted to play with Kawhi. However, I also think they'd want to play with each other and Gay. It's not the same pitch as last year, but Kemba, PG and LMA all fit really well together and can win a title with the right role-players while avoiding the superteam stigma. It's a pretty sweet gig.

Also, Kawhi probably wouldn't want to leave because of market.

[Chinook]

You saying PG does a sign & trade?

I think he would, yes. No one in their right mind should think LAL is a better basketball choice. If playing with Russ is persuasive to him, I can't imagine what playing SA with Pop would be. People think the situation with LMA hurts the team's chances. But I think it's the opposite. The team has long since been viewed as completely at Pop's whim. To see him willingly concede to Aldridge and for both to be better for it implies he's okay with guys speaking out and working with him to build the offense.

[Chinook]

Paul George always said he was LA bound... he actually tried to dissuade other teams in trading for him to pressure Indiana to take whatever LA was offering... I can't recall the details well, but it was clear he said LA...

Kyrie most likely wanted out of the situation he was in no matter what and wanted to go to a good team, since he wants to have both his own team and win outside of Lebron's shadow... he wasn't about to welcome being sent to the Magic for example... he wanted a good organization. He's happy now where he is and I think he is in the Celtics future... both those I don't consider realistic.

Walker is more realistic...

The point I was trying to make was not that Kyrie makes sense. It's that the Spurs are attractive enough to other players. They've signed coveted free agents three years in a row in addition to multiple players putting them on their trade wish-list. I don't think PG is any less inclined to give them a chance, especially if they complete a Walker trade before/during the draft and already have him on board for recruiting. Walker, Aldridge, Green and Gay are a pretty good tandem for the process, and if Murray survives on the roster at that time, he'd also be excellent. I don't think PG without Kemba (or another youngish All-Star PG) could happen, but with that squared away, yes.

[BillMc]

The point I was trying to make was not that Kyrie makes sense. It's that the Spurs are attractive enough to other players. They've signed coveted free agents three years in a row in addition to multiple players putting them on their trade wish-list. I don't think PG is any less inclined to give them a chance, especially if they complete a Walker trade before/during the draft and already have him on board for recruiting. Walker, Aldridge, Green and Gay are a pretty good tandem for the process, and if Murray survives on the roster at that time, he'd also be excellent. I don't think PG without Kemba (or another youngish All-Star PG) could happen, but with that squared away, yes.

Am I in dreamland thinking we can get Simmons or Porzingis and a first round pick?

[Chinook]

Am I in dreamland thinking we can get Simmons or Porzingis and a first round pick?

Not if you mean Jon and one of KP's family members.

[BillMc]

Not if you mean Jon and one of KP's family members.

Sadly, I didn't. :lol

[BackHome]

What the Fuck you Smoking? Give me some of that shit. !!

[NASpurs]

A podcast where McCollum talks about wine, books, and seems cultured? A new trade target has entered.

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[BillMc]

What the Fuck you Smoking? Give me some of that shit. !!

Me? Just sleep deprivation waiting for the game to start.

[Chucho]

There's only a few players you can trade Kawhil for straight up:

LBJ (age is a factor, but he's still the premier player right now and has 2-3 strong years in him minimum), Harden, Westbrook, Durbeta, Brow, Steph Curry and Greek.

There is another tier of guys who you'd take with a decent 1st rounder, which are generally younger guys with a few all-stars under their belts or proven on the way up. Guys like KAT, or Lillard, Butler, PG13 and Wall

There are the guys with lots of talent but might be unproven, a little older or injury prone that you need to package with a decent player or so and/or a pick or so: Embids, Oladipos, Porzingis, Gay Thompson/Donkey, Blake, ETC.

Then you have heavy upside guys (or are 1 side players), older guys that are on big contracts but not as hot as they were and other 4th tier players/youngsters that will be the centerpieces of big packages: Ben Simmons, Jabari Parkers, Zach Levines, CJ McCollums, Goberts and so on...

IF we have to trade Pussy McQuad, I don't want to see anything lower than the second pool unless the offer from a third or fourth tier is a stupid no-brainer.

[John B]

Kawhi for Anthony Davis straight-up. That’s the only trade I want. Davis/Boggie is pretty redundant but Boggie/Kawhi could make serious damage that Pel FO might consider. LMA/Gay/Davis/Green/Murray will be sick.

[Chinook]

A podcast where McCollum talks about wine, books, and seems cultured? A new trade target has entered.

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Nah.

[tholdren]

trade Pussy McQuad, this is a stupid no-brainer.

[SAGirl]

A podcast where McCollum talks about wine, books, and seems cultured? A new trade target has entered.

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There has been a rumor that if the blazer pair splits up CJ is the one likely headed out... While I like CJ I'd hate to see a Kiwi/Lillard show in Portland.

[BillMc]

There has been a rumor that if the blazer pair splits up CJ is the one likely headed out... While I like CJ I'd hate to see a Kiwi/Lillard show in Portland.

Trade Kawhil for Lillard. LMA would love that. :lol

[keithington1]

Josh Jackson, Chriss, 2 first round picks (this years #1 pick), and a second rounder.

[mo7888]

I think he would, yes. No one in their right mind should think LAL is a better basketball choice. If playing with Russ is persuasive to him, I can't imagine what playing SA with Pop would be. People think the situation with LMA hurts the team's chances. But I think it's the opposite. The team has long since been viewed as completely at Pop's whim. To see him willingly concede to Aldridge and for both to be better for it implies he's okay with guys speaking out and working with him to build the offense.

Is there a legitimate scenario where we could trade kawhi for picks/young players and attach an over priced get to clear enough room to sign PG outright?

[Ron Swanson]

Josh Jackson, Chriss, 2 first round picks (this years #1 pick), and a second rounder.

I'd drive Kawhi to the airport myself.

[Chinook]

I'd drive Kawhi to the airport myself.

I'd tow your car to the airport with you and Kawhi in it if Phoenix takes Chriss out of the deal.

[DPG21920]

Get The Unicorn & CJ out of your heads, do not want.

[$pursDynasty]

OK word is out that Kyrie is done for the year, knee surgery, if Ainge really wants the KingSlayer, I want Kyrie and Tatum or Brown. Since Kiwi is higher on the pecking order of NBA players behind only LBJ, and KD (and maybe AD) he might go for it. Both players had injury marred seasons this year. Heck I go to the Pels especially if they don't make the playoffs. I know AD is good but if he can't get you where you want to go then why not trade him for the Kingslayer. For AD I would go straight up, for Kyrie I would need a little sweetener. If I am losing my All NBA player, I want an All NBA player in return.

[r0drig0lac]

Josh Jackson, Chriss, 2 first round picks (this years #1 pick), and a second rounder.

Warren is better

[Namundy]

Two ideal scenarios I would want for Kawhi:

1.) Young player on a rookie deal with potential (if he wants to go to LA -- Kuzma or Ingram).

OR

2.) Guaranteed lottery pick at the draft to select the player they want.

If they can combine either one of these with a salary dump of Pau or Patty I consider that a win.It would be very unfortunate for it to come to this but I think that puts you in a position to compete again.

[LkrFan]

I could see a trade to Hornets for Kemba an Batum

That would be fantastic :lol

[LkrFan]

Their first goes to Philly this year I think.

LeGM gave us their 2018 1st in the Jordan Clarkson trade. Should be in the low to mid 20 range.

[$pursDynasty]

Two ideal scenarios I would want for Kawhi:

1.) Young player on a rookie deal with potential (if he wants to go to LA -- Kuzma or Ingram).
why not both Kiwi is all NBA neither of these guys is even an All Star yet. In fact throw in Randle too for the Kingslayer.

OR

2.) Guaranteed lottery pick at the draft to select the player they want.
Don't want to play that game you can just as easily end up with a Lonzo (mediocre) or Anthony Bennett (bust) at the top of the draft

If they can combine either one of these with a salary dump of Pau or Patty I consider that a win.It would be very unfortunate for it to come to this but I think that puts you in a position to compete again.

[LkrFan]

Lakers will be happy to make that trade.

No we wouldn't. When teams know a star is disgruntled, they get bent over (see MVPau trade or Shaq trade as evidence). Spurs will take this trade and like it: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yamqaehw :lol

Besides, Kiwi will be a FA in 2019 anywat. Let him play out next season, prove that he's back, then sign him to a max contract. 2019 Lakers be like:

Zo
PG13
Kiwi
Randle
Lopez

:toast

[CGD]

Brooklyn pick
Cedí Osman
Zizic
Georgie’s contract

For

Leonard
Patty

[SAGirl]

Frankly the more I think about this the more I am convinced Kiwi won’t be traded. When it’s too commonplace that Spurs fans are already thinking of dumping this injury prone china doll, you know in your heart it’s not happening and said china doll will be back next season with sore quad and all. Maybe Pop has a sit down with Kiwi and “his group” over some wine like he did with Lamarcus.

Maybe my instincts are wrong, but I think he will be back, I am just hoping that quad doesn’t turn out to be like Tiago’s calf at this point...

[$pursDynasty]

Frankly the more I think about this the more I am convinced Kiwi won’t be traded. When it’s too commonplace that Spurs fans are already thinking of dumping this injury prone china doll, you know in your heart it’s not happening and said china doll will be back next season with sore quad and all. Maybe Pop has a sit down with Kiwi and “his group” over some wine like he did with Lamarcus.

Maybe my instincts are wrong, but I think he will be back, I am just hoping that quad doesn’t turn out to be like Tiago’s calf at this point...
That's the best case scenario, much ado about nothing with Powers at other teams trying to stir the pot to eliminate the Spurs or create a new super team elsewhere. For this to be true it is just about him being that quiet. I mean Tim doesn't like talking but he never went this MIA.

[Namundy]

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[Namundy]

Would love both but I doubt the Lakers would do that. They can easily back out and wait for the summer, although I suspect Kawhi is a rare enough talent for them to not wait. Randle is nice but is also heading into free agency and a bigger pay day. Also not sure he'd be a good fit with LMA. We owe a lot of credit to the lottery for finding franchise talents. Considering Pop and RC's history I have no doubt they'd select another franchise pillar especially considering the talent in this upcoming draft.

There's going to be some fillers if a trade is pulled off but I think those are the key assets they target. If they can use it as an opportunity to shed salary go for it.

[cd021]

Josh Jackson, Chriss, 2 first round picks (this years #1 pick), and a second rounder.


I'd tow your car to the airport with you and Kawhi in it if Phoenix takes Chriss out of the deal.


I'd drive Kawhi to the airport myself.

Chriss is pretty bad tbh. I'd rather take three of their picks this year (projected to be the 1st, 15th, 16th, and 31st) plus another pick in leu of the number 1 pick and Jackson. I doubt that they would move the number 1 pick and while Jackson has been bad, I think they are still high on him.

Kawhi for the 15th, 16th, 31st and a lottery protected Suns 2019 pick might be a more palatable trade. Even though it seems like a lot to give up for the Suns, they'd be able to keep their own 1st; instead. giving up Milwaukee's and Miami's pick along their own second.

The Suns would be able to pair Booker with Kawhi, the number 1 pick and would be able to keep Criss, Bender, and Jackson- in the chance that one or two of those three pan out while the Spurs would obviously get great return on Kawhi with picks and cap flexiblity going forward.

[cd021]

Kawhi for Anthony Davis straight-up. That’s the only trade I want. Davis/Boggie is pretty redundant but Boggie/Kawhi could make serious damage that Pel FO might consider. LMA/Gay/Davis/Green/Murray will be sick.

Superstars don't get traded for other superstars tbh. Teams usually trade prospects, picks, or young stars on the rise in order to pair one with the other. New Orleans really doesn't have any of those three to nab Kawhi.

[SAGirl]

That's the best case scenario, much ado about nothing with Powers at other teams trying to stir the pot to eliminate the Spurs or create a new super team elsewhere. For this to be true it is just about him being that quiet. I mean Tim doesn't like talking but he never went this MIA.
I am really worried about that quad. Spurs could end up with a supermaxed guy whose career peak has already passed, etc. There’s no win scenario in this if you give credibility to the fact Kiwi is indeed that hurt. I haven’t seen anything that’s truly reassuring about his injury. There’s no clear solution, there’s no surgery that will fix it, the passage of time and rehabbing hasn’t fixed it. “Sooner reather than later” hasn’t fixed it. Nothing Kiwi has said is reassuring about the injury itself.
It’s a damn shame. He’s not gaining anything by not playing. Dude is really injured.

[TD 21]

The Cavaliers don't have enough to make a competitive offer and mid round Suns picks aren't near enough to be the centerpiece of a package. Even a prime, tier below an All-Star, like McCollum, doesn't make sense.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2768330-potential-trade-packages-and-landing-spots-for-spurs-star-kawhi-leonard

[ceds]

I am really worried about that quad. Spurs could end up with a supermaxed guy whose career peak has already passed, etc. There’s no win scenario in this if you give credibility to the fact Kiwi is indeed that hurt. I haven’t seen anything that’s truly reassuring about his injury. There’s no clear solution, there’s no surgery that will fix it, the passage of time and rehabbing hasn’t fixed it. “Sooner reather than later” hasn’t fixed it. Nothing Kiwi has said is reassuring about the injury itself.
It’s a damn shame. He’s not gaining anything by not playing. Dude is really injured.

you have stayed consistent with this theory for awhile now and i agree it's a likely scenario

i just have more faith that he will get back o being elite by next season

[SAGirl]

you have stayed consistent with this theory for awhile now and i agree it's a likely scenario

i just have more faith that he will get back o being elite by next season
Hoping for the best but all th media is running is interference, deflection, misdirection, and drama with probably favors to som FO that want to create the rifts for their own benefits. Thinks aren’t well, sure but a big part of it is the distress the injury he caused to everyone involved. There was so much rumor and speculation that I started sticking with the official sources a while back. Nothing said about the injury is reassuring and makes you think he’s going to be a-OK.

We just assume bc we don’t know, that he can recover from this but this has been chronic since the summer. It’s been almost a year and he can’t play without pain...

We shall see like everyone else I hoped he’d be back but nothing makes me think that he will this season (except Dabom’s “sauces”) :lol

[ceds]

Hoping for the best but all th media is running is interference, deflection and drama with probably favors to som FO that want to create the rifts for their own benefits. Thinks aren’t well, sure but a big part of it is the distress the injury he caused to everyone involved. There was so much rumor and speculation that I started sticking with the official sources a while back. Nothing said about the injury is reassuring and makes you think he’s going to be a-OK.

We just assume bc we don’t know, that he can recover from this but this has been chronic since the summer. It’s been almost a year and he can’t play without pain...

We shall see like everyone else I hoped he’d be back but nothing makes me think that he will this season (except Dabom’s “sauces”) :lol

i just think we have no choice other then to offer supermax even if this drags into next season....we have no choice if we want to sty contenders

w/out kawhi we become Utah at best

supermax him & pray

[SAGirl]

i just think we have no choice other then to offer supermax even if this drags into next season....we have no choice if we want to sty contenders

w/out kawhi we become Utah at best

supermax him & pray
There’s worst possible futures than Utah, like Derrick Rose’s Chicago Bulls. Anyways there’s nothing more to it but pray let’s see what happens in the summer if he’s supermaxed I will be relieved bc I don’t think the Spurs would do it unless they believed he will be really fine at some point... :tu

[BackHome]

If your DR has cleared him to play and he hasn’t touched the court and you just pissed 19 million then no F way do I offer a super max contract. I would look hard for a good trade and if one is offereed you jump on it.

Without Kawhi and us signing shitty bench players like Mills, Gasol, Forbes, Paul we still in the playoff hunt. If the Spurs are serious about getting better they need to NOT sign Tony, Forbes, Paul, and somehow trade Gasol and Mills. If Kawhi is traded then try to bring back Green to a reasonable contract.

Need to see the following players get a camp invite and may the best player get minutes.

1. Center - Nikola Milutinov a true 7’0 will fit into our system quite well and a upgrade over Gasol.
2. Adam Hanga - SG/SF 6’7 He can play in the NBA and if we loose Green and Kawhi it’s a no brainer.
3. Nemanja Dangubic - SF 6’8. Yeah he sucked early on his career but the kid has really turned it around this year he is a totally different player.
4. Darrun Hilliard 6’6 - he is better then Forbes and Paul trying to upgrade our bench.

PG: White/Murrary
SG: Green/Hanga/Hilliard/White/Murray
SF: Kawhi/Hanga/Nemanja/ or draft pick or Kawhi trade player
PF: LMA/Rudy, Anderson and Bertans if cheap
C: Nikola/LMA

[Russ]

I am really worried about that quad. Spurs could end up with a supermaxed guy whose career peak has already passed, etc. There’s no win scenario in this if you give credibility to the fact Kiwi is indeed that hurt. I haven’t seen anything that’s truly reassuring about his injury. There’s no clear solution, there’s no surgery that will fix it, the passage of time and rehabbing hasn’t fixed it. “Sooner reather than later” hasn’t fixed it. Nothing Kiwi has said is reassuring about the injury itself.
It’s a damn shame. He’s not gaining anything by not playing. Dude is really injured.

I would agree with you more if Kawhi hadn't hired his own demanding uncle to run his affairs right at the time all these injury woes started.

Perhaps it's just a coincidence.

[SpursDynasty85]

I would agree with you more if Kawhi hadn't hired his own demanding uncle to run his affairs right at the time all these injury woes started.

Perhaps it's just a coincidence.

Well there is a glimmer of hope that the prognosis is that is a physiological injury that causes the pain receptors to misfire basically telling Kawhi's brain that he is injured when he really isn't. Something this complicated, it would make sense that it would take time. I just hope Kawhi signs for less than the supermax or comes back this post season and show he is healthy and gets on with his career. If not, works with mgmt and we get fair assets for him over the offseason.

[CGD]

^ I don’t talk to the Suns for Leonard unless they’re moving their top pick. Kyre, an inferior player, netted Brooklyns pick so that should be a clear benchmark.

Now if the spurs acquire Love in a Leonard for Brooklyn pick swap, I’d consider the Suns middling picks for Love.

[HarlemHeat37]

Brooklyn pick
Cedí Osman
Zizic
Georgie’s contract

For

Leonard
Patty

If RC Buford agreed to this, he should immediately kill himself after hanging up the phone:lol

[alpha_HaZE]

I still holp hope Kawhi will play for us in the future. But, it's fun to speculate as to who we would trade for him. Kristaps Porzingis! their per 36 min stats are pretty similar with KP having the edge on Shooting and KL on Defense. I compared KP current season (3rd) with KL's best (5th).

KP will fit pretty darn well in our system next to LA, with his 3 pt shooting and ability to stretch the floor. That's my dream trade.

[SpursDynasty85]

I still holp hope Kawhi will play for us in the future. But, it's fun to speculate as to who we would trade for him. Kristaps Porzingis! their per 36 min stats are pretty similar with KP having the edge on Shooting and KL on Defense. I compared KP current season (3rd) with KL's best (5th).

KP will fit pretty darn well in our system next to LA, with his 3 pt shooting and ability to stretch the floor. That's my dream trade.

KP is younger and more marketable. Knicks wouldn't trade him for Kawhi unless they were in win now mode. Which they wouldn't be without another significant signing like Lebron or AD.

[mo7888]

KP is younger and more marketable. Knicks wouldn't trade him for Kawhi unless they were in win now mode. Which they wouldn't be without another significant signing like Lebron or AD.

I think the Knicks will offer KP, their pick, plus Frank nitiklina(sp?l

[r0drig0lac]

I still holp hope Kawhi will play for us in the future. But, it's fun to speculate as to who we would trade for him. Kristaps Porzingis! their per 36 min stats are pretty similar with KP having the edge on Shooting and KL on Defense. I compared KP current season (3rd) with KL's best (5th).

KP will fit pretty darn well in our system next to LA, with his 3 pt shooting and ability to stretch the floor. That's my dream trade.

except that Porzingins can never be as good as Kawhi Leonard

[CGD]

^ i have no idea what the Knicks could put together that would move the Spurs. They would want to pair KP and Leonard, not move KP. Maaaaaayyyybe if there pick lands in the Top 3 and they take back some of our bad salary?

[CGD]

If we’re entertaining PHX, would if Orlando could be a partner if they land the top pick.

Something like:
Leonard and Patty’s long term money

For:
- Top pick this year
- Jonathan Issac
- 23 million in expiring deals (Vuc and Ross)

[Killakobe81]

I like the Clippers trade right now they own the 12th and 13th pick

But what young core piece? Tobias Harris?

[Baam]

Get Fultz. Philly can't even play him with Ben Simmons, this is a Harden-in-OKC situation all over again.

[r0drig0lac]

76ers: Saric+Bolden+ lot of picks (or Fultz)
C's: Tatum + Brown + pick or nothing (fuck Ainge)
Lolkers: Ingram + Randle or Ingram + Kuzma + pick

[mo7888]

^ i have no idea what the Knicks could put together that would move the Spurs. They would want to pair KP and Leonard, not move KP. Maaaaaayyyybe if there pick lands in the Top 3 and they take back some of our bad salary?

I think you're giving dolan to much credit..

[BackHome]

except that Porzingins can never be as good as Kawhi Leonard

We Don’t Need Him To Be Just As Good We Just Need Him To Actually Be Able To Play Games.

[kaji157]

Would you trade Lebron and Mills for a LeBron resigned on a 2 year deal plus pick?

[CGD]

76ers: Saric+Bolden+ lot of picks (or Fultz)
C's: Tatum + Brown + pick or nothing (fuck Ainge)
Lolkers: Ingram + Randle or Ingram + Kuzma + pick

On board, minus the Lakers deal. Folks overrate those guys hard. There is a reason Lakerfan is happy to move on from them in these scenarios....

Would you do this if you were able to get BOTH the Knicks and Nets (via Cavs) picks I. THIS draft year:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9fp2v5c

Alternatively, you trade for Love and then do a separate deal later with the highest bidder.