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RandomGuy
04-03-2018, 03:32 PM
CBS SF) — There is a report of a possible active shooter at YouTube headquarters in San Bruno.
Police have not been able to confirm the report. People near the area report hearing shots fired, police activity and lockdown procedures.
KPIX 5 reporter Andria Borba said at least two Homeland Security units were responding. Police radio transmissions describe casualties being taken to local hospitals.
Vadim Lavrusik, who was working at that facility, wrote on Twitter shortly before 1 p.m. that he heard shots and saw people running while at his desk before barricading himself inside a room with other coworkers
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http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/04/03/youtube-shooting-report/
RandomGuy
04-03-2018, 03:34 PM
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Chris
04-03-2018, 03:34 PM
I'm sure Hogg is on his bike riding to the scene as we speak to conduct interviews.
djohn2oo8
04-03-2018, 03:35 PM
I'm sure Hogg is on his bike riding to the scene as we speak to conduct interviews.
Triggered.
RandomGuy
04-03-2018, 03:35 PM
I'm sure Hogg is on his bike riding to the scene as we speak to conduct interviews.
Never too early to make fun of a kid who is angry about his friends being murdered in front of him.
djohn2oo8
04-03-2018, 03:37 PM
Never too early to make fun of a kid who is angry about his friends being murdered in front of him.
Fake Christian he is.
boutons_deux
04-03-2018, 03:37 PM
yawn, nothing but "Living In America"
Blake
04-03-2018, 03:38 PM
I wonder if they have a video
Pavlov
04-03-2018, 03:42 PM
I'm sure Hogg is on his bike riding to the scene as we speak to conduct interviews.
https://quotecatalog.imgix.net/assets/asset-vopHxDQTiTZ2amqUMPBuqFMu/original.jpg?fit=facearea&w=680&h=415&facepad=4.5
Rent free.
DarrinS
04-03-2018, 03:46 PM
That kid needs a sammich, tbh
djohn2oo8
04-03-2018, 03:46 PM
That kid needs a sammich, tbh
Triggered.
DarrinS
04-03-2018, 03:48 PM
Triggered.
He triggered mass NRA memberships
djohn2oo8
04-03-2018, 03:48 PM
He triggered mass NRA memberships
Old man triggered by high school kid.
Trill Clinton
04-03-2018, 03:49 PM
Thoughts and prayers
Pavlov
04-03-2018, 03:51 PM
He triggered mass NRA membershipsHow many, Darrin?
What is the current number of NRA members?
spurraider21
04-03-2018, 03:53 PM
I wonder if they have a video
:lol
Chris
04-03-2018, 03:54 PM
Shooter is apparently a woman with a headscarf maybe a hijab. Breaking Unofficial Reports are shooter killed herself just a few minutes ago.
djohn2oo8
04-03-2018, 04:01 PM
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djohn2oo8
04-03-2018, 04:05 PM
Shooter is apparently a woman with a headscarf maybe a hijab. Breaking Unofficial Reports are shooter killed herself just a few minutes ago.
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monosylab1k
04-03-2018, 04:06 PM
He triggered mass NRA memberships
How can so many people be so triggered by a 17 year old kid?
koriwhat
04-03-2018, 04:06 PM
I'm sure Hogg is on his bike riding to the scene as we speak to conduct interviews.
lmao
Pavlov
04-03-2018, 04:08 PM
How can so many people be so triggered by a 17 year old kid?Was it close to the number that were triggered by having a black man as president?
monosylab1k
04-03-2018, 04:09 PM
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How white tho? Like “mentally ill” level white or “terrorist” level not as white?
boutons_deux
04-03-2018, 04:09 PM
How can so many people be so triggered by a 17 year old kid?
sheeple being led around by a rings in their brains, sheparded by LaPierre and right wing hate media.
they're all fucking ignorant assholes.
djohn2oo8
04-03-2018, 04:11 PM
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koriwhat
04-03-2018, 04:13 PM
sheeple being led around by a rings in their brains, sheparded by LaPierre and right wing hate media.
they're all fucking ignorant assholes.
you regurgitate article after article and ooze with far left ideology... if anyone is a sheep it's you homie.
djohn2oo8
04-03-2018, 04:15 PM
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RandomGuy
04-03-2018, 04:16 PM
How can so many people be so triggered by a 17 year old kid?
They are frustrated and freaked out by how effective he is at communicating his message.
Conservatives hate that apparently. For all the mouthing frustrations about being censored for "hate speech", they turn around and attempt to censor opposing viewpoints with gusto.
spurraider21
04-03-2018, 04:21 PM
Laguna Beach Antifa has been suspiciously quiet
monosylab1k
04-03-2018, 04:29 PM
Soros crisis actors en route
apalisoc_9
04-03-2018, 04:33 PM
She killed her boyfriend before going to youtube.
How white tho? Like “mentally ill” level white or “terrorist” level not as white?
:lol
SupremeGuy
04-04-2018, 02:47 AM
How white tho? Like “mentally ill” level white or “terrorist” level not as white?It's not racist when we do it :cry
SupremeGuy
04-04-2018, 02:50 AM
They are frustrated and freaked out by how effective he is at communicating his message.
Conservatives hate that apparently. For all the mouthing frustrations about being censored for "hate speech", they turn around and attempt to censor opposing viewpoints with gusto.lolwut? When was he forced to withdraw from a rally or speech? Because that's the difference. And a huge one, at that.
monosylab1k
04-04-2018, 03:01 AM
It's not racist when we do it :cry
Who are you? Stop replying to me, thx
monosylab1k
04-04-2018, 03:02 AM
How white tho? Like “mentally ill” level white or “terrorist” level not as white?
Trump’s DEFINITELY calling this bitch a terrorist.
boutons_deux
04-04-2018, 09:31 AM
I'd say she was as emotionally fucked up, unbalanced as Trash.
http://www.latimes.com/resizer/IKE6GzJFM4iDqd0AiaRkROy4Jeo=/1400x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/S5F2OZ2O2ZG7ZM6CWXAKKEUXHI.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-you-tube-shooting-20180404-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter
Expert
04-04-2018, 12:29 PM
^Holy shit Boots is going to go postal on ST headquarters next since almost no one reads your shit.
Expert
04-04-2018, 12:32 PM
Shooter is apparently a woman with a headscarf maybe a hijab. Breaking Unofficial Reports are shooter killed herself just a few minutes ago.
Funny report tbh
"There is one deceased individual, self inflicted gunshot wound, who we believe could be the shooter but we're still investigating"
So a self-inflicted gunshot wound could be the shooter? LEO logic is astounding.
But she got what she wanted - her silly ass demented mini-manifesto published by a large media outlet. Hey, you have a beef with anything? Planning on suicide anyhow? Might as well get your message across! Let us help! Signed -Big Media
spurraider21
04-04-2018, 12:36 PM
and if they dont publish the info, we'll have conspiritards calling it a false flag or a government coverup
Mikeanaro
04-04-2018, 12:42 PM
Demtards were expecting a fat guy with a mullet and a confederate flag shirt.
SupremeGuy
04-04-2018, 01:12 PM
Who are you? Stop replying to me, thxFuck you, bigot.
Pavlov
04-04-2018, 01:28 PM
When I heard about it the first thought I had was to make a TOS grievance joke. Sure didn't expect a woman though.
koriwhat
04-04-2018, 03:24 PM
Demtards were expecting a fat guy with a mullet and a confederate flag shirt.
instead they got a hijab wearing, female, iranian, pos far-lefty terrorist.
Mikeanaro
04-04-2018, 07:38 PM
instead they got a hijab wearing, female, iranian, pos far-lefty terrorist.
And to be honest, I expect more violence from those freaking muslims than any other people on earth.
They should live in their shithole countries, drinking piss and eating beards.
DarrinS
04-04-2018, 08:34 PM
Seems like she was just a nutjob. Sorry, no political points for either tribe.
Spurminator
04-04-2018, 08:50 PM
Seems like she was just a nutjob. Sorry, no political points for either tribe.
She used a gun right? It doesn't sound like you understand the scoring system.
koriwhat
04-04-2018, 09:11 PM
Trump’s DEFINITELY calling this bitch a terrorist.
lol life isn't fair...
I'd say she was as emotionally fucked up, unbalanced as Trash.
http://www.latimes.com/resizer/IKE6GzJFM4iDqd0AiaRkROy4Jeo=/1400x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/S5F2OZ2O2ZG7ZM6CWXAKKEUXHI.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-you-tube-shooting-20180404-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter
i'd include you in her fucked up mentally ill and unbalanced demographic any day over trump. so sour bouts and all the time too. lmao
Chris
04-04-2018, 10:15 PM
Funny report tbh
"There is one deceased individual, self inflicted gunshot wound, who we believe could be the shooter but we're still investigating"
So a self-inflicted gunshot wound could be the shooter? LEO logic is astounding.
But she got what she wanted - her silly ass demented mini-manifesto published by a large media outlet. Hey, you have a beef with anything? Planning on suicide anyhow? Might as well get your message across! Let us help! Signed -Big Media
No AR-15 this time so it's kosher.
monosylab1k
04-04-2018, 10:26 PM
And to be honest, I expect more violence from those freaking muslims than any other people on earth.
They should live in their shithole countries, drinking piss and eating beards.
:lmao says the Argentina goat herder.
Chris
04-04-2018, 10:28 PM
:lmao says the Argentina goat herder.
Semen shielding for Islam because DRUMPF! :lmao
DarrinS
04-04-2018, 10:41 PM
She used a gun right? It doesn't sound like you understand the scoring system.
This seems to be a winning issue for you guys.
SupremeGuy
04-04-2018, 10:46 PM
:lmao says the Argentina goat herder.But we're not bigots, you are :cry
Spurminator
04-04-2018, 11:10 PM
This seems to be a winning issue for you guys.
I care less about winning than being right. Scoreboarding on brown murderers may be a "winning issue" for you guys because people are generally dumb, but that doesn't make you right.
Spurminator
04-04-2018, 11:14 PM
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Wong Way? lol
Pavlov
04-04-2018, 11:28 PM
This seems to be a winning issue for you guys.Seems to trigger you along with skinny teen boys.
Gummi Clutch
04-05-2018, 12:53 AM
And to be honest, I expect more violence from those freaking muslims than any other people on earth.
They should live in their shithole countries, drinking piss and eating beards.
Aren't you guys one of the biggest reasons for drug problems in the world..? Pretty sure every piss poor farmer in argentina is helping make drugs to fuck people up/kill them here and other places. Keep your shitty cartels to yourself and be thankful you have running water :lol
Mikeanaro
04-05-2018, 01:04 AM
:lmao says the Argentina goat herder.
As Chris said, when you reach a new low defending the religion of peace.
Wear a hijab and squeeze your weenie, freak.
Gummi Clutch
04-05-2018, 01:07 AM
As Chris said, when you reach a new low defending the religion of peace.
Wear a hijab and squeeze your weenie, freak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXFST1-Kvh4&feature=youtu.be
Mikeanaro
04-05-2018, 01:09 AM
Aren't you guys one of the biggest reasons for drug problems in the world..? Pretty sure every piss poor farmer in argentina is helping make drugs to fuck people up/kill them here and other places. Keep your shitty cartels to yourself and be thankful you have running water :lol
Cartels are from Mexico and Colombia you retard, you must be over 30 and cant even identify what countries are/make in your own continent.
Here, illustrate your pumpkin
https://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/americas/latin_america_1990.jpg
Gummi Clutch
04-05-2018, 01:12 AM
Cartels are from Mexico and Colombia you retard, you must be over 30 and cant even identify what countries are/make in your own continent.
Here, illustrate your pumpkin
:cry :cry :cry
Cartels are drug organizations. Nice try, but you failed. Argentina is riddled with them. The reason you don't hear about it as often as Mexico is because you have just as corrupt of a government but aren't close enough to the U.S to be exposed.
Chris
04-05-2018, 01:12 AM
Dummi Clutch :lol
Mikeanaro
04-05-2018, 01:15 AM
Cartels are drug organizations. Nice try, but you failed. Argentina is riddled with them. The reason you don't hear about it as often as Mexico is because you have just as corrupt of a government but aren't close enough to the U.S to be exposed.
Yeah, blah blah, you know more than me right?
USA is full of Cartels then...
Aren't you guys one of the biggest reasons for drug problems in the world..? Pretty sure every piss poor farmer in USA is helping make drugs to fuck people up/kill them here and other places. Keep your shitty cartels to yourself and be thankful you have running water/CNN :lol
Gummi Clutch
04-05-2018, 01:19 AM
Dummi Clutch :lol
Yeah, blah blah, you know more than me right?
USA is full of Cartels then...
Aren't you guys one of the biggest reasons for drug problems in the world..? Pretty sure every piss poor farmer in USA is helping make drugs to fuck people up/kill them here and other places. Keep your shitty cartels to yourself and be thankful you have running water/CNN :lol
Don't worry...we have inbred goat fuckers here too, see above in Chris :lmao
Expert
04-05-2018, 01:40 AM
No AR-15 this time so it's kosher.
Are the survivors at Youtube going to march on Washington or just post a video about it?
Expert
04-05-2018, 01:41 AM
She used a gun right? It doesn't sound like you understand the scoring system.
"Who here has stated they want to ban all guns?"
SupremeGuy
04-05-2018, 04:46 AM
Dummi Clutch :lolI couldn't even tell if he was purposely trolling or just a fucking idiot. Looks like both. :lol
Spurminator
04-05-2018, 09:47 AM
"Who here has stated they want to ban all guns?"
What part of that comment implied a gun ban?
spurraider21
04-05-2018, 10:04 AM
Oh look. Dmc doing that thing where he presents the only two choices as doing nothing and a full gun ban, so he gets to say banning guns is bad.
DarrinS
04-05-2018, 05:58 PM
Lol
https://squawker.org/culture-wars/mashable-caught-lightening-the-skin-photoshopping-green-eyes-on-youtube-shooter-nasim-aghdam/
Expert
04-05-2018, 06:29 PM
Oh look. Dmc doing that thing where he presents the only two choices as doing nothing and a full gun ban, so he gets to say banning guns is bad.
You're trying to play both sides (as usual).
She didn't use an AR-15 however the left wants to use the fact that she used any gun at all as a talking point against guns in general, but then falls back on "we didn't say ban all guns" when cornered on 2A.
There was no bifurcating. You just ran out of philo shit to talk about.
How many shots did she fire? Limit the magazine size to that many rounds, for her.
In fact, all liberals should voluntarily give up their 2A rights to own a gun. That reduces the number of people who can own a gun significantly.
spurraider21
04-05-2018, 06:37 PM
You're trying to play both sides (as usual).
She didn't use an AR-15 however the left wants to use the fact that she used any gun at all as a talking point against guns in general, but then falls back on "we didn't say ban all guns" when cornered on 2A.
There was no bifurcating. You just ran out of philo shit to talk about.
How many shots did she fire? Limit the magazine size to that many rounds, for her.
In fact, all liberals should voluntarily give up their 2A rights to own a gun. That reduces the number of people who can own a gun significantly.
where did i say the proper response to this shooting is to ban all guns?
Expert
04-05-2018, 06:45 PM
where did i say the proper response to this shooting is to ban all guns?
"Who here has stated they want to ban all guns?"
:lol
spurraider21
04-05-2018, 06:49 PM
:lol
so you took spurminator's comment that she used to a gun to mean that spurminator believes the appropriate response this shooting is to ban all guns? wow
especially after spurminator himself raised this exact point? wow
Expert
04-05-2018, 06:49 PM
I'd say she was as emotionally fucked up, unbalanced as Trash.
http://www.latimes.com/resizer/IKE6GzJFM4iDqd0AiaRkROy4Jeo=/1400x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/S5F2OZ2O2ZG7ZM6CWXAKKEUXHI.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-you-tube-shooting-20180404-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter
Btw, pretty sure this is just creative angle photography. Her shirt actually says "Hello Kitty" if you went all the way around.
Expert
04-05-2018, 06:51 PM
so you took spurminator's comment that she used to a gun to mean that spurminator believes the appropriate response this shooting is to ban all guns? wow
Oh the horror of even suggesting that! :lol
spurraider21
04-05-2018, 06:58 PM
Oh the horror of even suggesting that! :lol
not the horror. just the idiocy
Expert
04-05-2018, 11:20 PM
not the horror. just the idiocy
Tell me what these points mean in the gun conversation if not ultimately a ban on guns?
spurraider21
04-05-2018, 11:41 PM
Tell me what these points mean in the gun conversation if not ultimately a ban on guns?
Your need to divide people into two extreme positions is another indication that you're short on scope.
Spurminator
04-05-2018, 11:43 PM
Tell me what these points mean in the gun conversation if not ultimately a ban on guns?
To borrow a metaphor you guys love to use...
"Drunks shouldn't be allowed to drive"
:madrun "YOU WANT TO BAN CARS!" :madrun
Expert
04-05-2018, 11:45 PM
Philo again didn't answer the question. You're trying to play the logical fallacy card on every turn but you've yet to actually comment on what the alternative would be. That's likely because you simply don't know.
A gun control argument needs to define the level of control. How would gun control have prevented that shooting?
Expert
04-05-2018, 11:46 PM
To borrow a metaphor you guys love to use...
"Drunks shouldn't be allowed to drive"
:madrun "YOU WANT TO BAN CARS!" :madrun
Poor analogy. You said the fact that a gun was used means a point is scored for the anti-gun crowd. I want to know exactly how that works since supposedly you're not after all guns.
Spurminator
04-05-2018, 11:47 PM
Frankly my post wasn't even a commentary on gun control or its implications to this specific case. I was simply pointing out to DarrinS that he was misrepresenting the two "sides" of the debate.
Expert
04-05-2018, 11:49 PM
Seems like she was just a nutjob. Sorry, no political points for either tribe.
She used a gun right? It doesn't sound like you understand the scoring system.
These two don't jive with this next one...
Frankly my post wasn't even a commentary on gun control or its implications to this specific case. I was simply pointing out to DarrinS that he was misrepresenting the two "sides" of the debate.
On one hand you say "scoring system" and on the next you say "sides".
Which is it?
Since you said "scoring system" then you're inferring that any gun related fatality or mass attack = points for gun control crowd.
Spurminator
04-05-2018, 11:49 PM
Poor analogy. You said the fact that a gun was used means a point is scored for the anti-gun crowd. I want to know exactly how that works since supposedly you're not after all guns.
No, I didn't say that. I'm not keeping score. That's for you guys.
But if I did believe this was about guns (which I don't), I would make an argument related to access. A discussion could be had about how this person was able to get a gun and whether there should be controls in place to prevent that. So the analogy makes perfect sense, if you're not myopic.
Spurminator
04-05-2018, 11:50 PM
These two don't jive with this next one...
Sure it does.
Expert
04-05-2018, 11:51 PM
Sure it does.
That's your answer, to just wave it off?
Why even respond?
Expert
04-05-2018, 11:53 PM
No, I didn't say that. I'm not keeping score. That's for you guys.
You're a remote observer who inserts yourself into the discussion without any ties to either side? Hard to believe that since you're a Hillary voter. Funny how many people here claim to be neutral.
But if I did believe this was about guns (which I don't), I would make an argument related to access. A discussion could be had about how this person was able to get a gun and whether there should be controls in place to prevent that. So the analogy makes perfect sense, if you're not myopic.
How do you prevent access to a gun by someone with a constitutional right to keep and bear arms if not a ban on guns? Had she done anything that mean't she wasn't legally allowed to have a gun?
Spurminator
04-05-2018, 11:59 PM
On one hand you say "scoring system" and on the next you say "sides".
Which is it?
Since you said "scoring system" then you're inferring that any gun related fatality or mass attack = points for gun control crowd.
Since you seem very interested in defending Darrin's honor, let me paraphrase so you'll more easily understand the exchange.
DarrinS: She's just a nutjob, rather than a radical Islamist or a radical conservative (Spurminator's interpretation), ergo neither tribe can gloat.
Me: Acknowledging that one tribe does typically gloat when attacks happen at the hands of radical Islamists, the primary concern of the other tribe is not usually about political worldview, but about access to guns. Therefore, if someone from that tribe, as you've defined them, decided to gloat, they may still be inclined to do so. Nowhere herein do I suggest that they should do so or that points matter in this game.
Do you follow?
Spurminator
04-06-2018, 12:02 AM
You're a remote observer who inserts yourself into the discussion without any ties to either side? Hard to believe that since you're a Hillary voter. Funny how many people here claim to be neutral.
:lol How does my vote in a Presidential election have anything to do with my urgency to gloat about a particular shooting's implications in a partisan debate? Are you this desperate to talk about Hillary again? You're making no sense.
How do you prevent access to a gun by someone with a constitutional right to keep and bear arms if not a ban on guns? Had she done anything that mean't she wasn't legally allowed to have a gun?
We already prevent certain people from owning guns, and we do not currently have a ban on guns. This is not a difficult concept.
Expert
04-06-2018, 12:05 AM
:lol How does my vote in a Presidential election have anything to do with my urgency to gloat about a particular shooting's implications in a partisan debate? Are you this desperate to talk about Hillary again? You're making no sense.
Re-read the two quotes. DarrisS mentioned political points for "sides" and you barked back that he didn't understand the scoring system. What are these "sides" if not gun control vs 2A? I'm still waiting for you to come back to the middle. You made the comment then you've been back peddling since.
We already prevent certain people from owning guns, and we do not currently have a ban on guns. This is not a difficult concept.
So she should be declared mentally incompetent post-mortem?
Spurminator
04-06-2018, 12:20 AM
Re-read the two quotes. DarrisS mentioned political points for "sides" and you barked back that he didn't understand the scoring system. What are these "sides" if not gun control vs 2A? I'm still waiting for you to come back to the middle. You made the comment then you've been back peddling since.
Ask DarrinS. I interpreted his sides as "This was caused by Islam/blacks/immigrants/etc" vs. "This was caused by angry white conservatives" and disagreed that those are the two sides in instances like these.
It wouldn't really make sense for him to define the tribes as Gun Control vs. 2A and then claim neither side could call scoreboard on a shooting.
So she should be declared mentally incompetent post-mortem?
I haven't claimed to know the solution in this particular case or if there even was a solution. I'm just saying that preventing dangerous people from gaining access to guns doesn't require a ban on guns, which is what you keep going back to.
Expert
04-06-2018, 12:22 AM
Ask DarrinS. I interpreted his sides as "This was caused by Islam/blacks/immigrants/etc" vs. "This was caused by angry white conservatives" and disagreed that those are the two sides in instances like these.
It wouldn't really make sense for him to define the tribes as Gun Control vs. 2A and then claim neither side could call scoreboard on a shooting.
Since you say he doesn't understand the scoring system, I'm still waiting for you to explain it.
However:
Gun control side: "If she didn't have a gun she couldn't have shot anyone including herself"
2A side: "She had a constitutional right to own a gun. You cannot prevent everything and this isn't the 'Minority Report'"
I haven't claimed to know the solution in this particular case or if there even was a solution. I'm just saying that preventing dangerous people from gaining access to guns doesn't require a ban on guns, which is what you keep going back to.
1. How do you determine "dangerous" on a per capita basis?
2. The cops talked to her for 20 minutes just hours before the shooting, they didn't determine she was dangerous.
3. Taking away a 2A right because of what you say in a video is akin to taking away a 1A right since you suffered repercussions because you exercised your 1A right.
Spurminator
04-06-2018, 12:31 AM
Since you say he doesn't understand the scoring system, I'm still waiting for you to explain it.
When shootings happen, scoring is typically either "See? Muslim/Black" or "See? Guns." That's it. I do not condone this scoring system, I merely acknowledge its existence. I did not expect anyone to be this offended by that reality.
1. How do you determine "dangerous" on a per capita basis?
2. The cops talked to her for 20 minutes just hours before the shooting, they didn't determine she was dangerous.
3. Taking away a 2A right because of what you say in a video is akin to taking away a 1A right since you suffered repercussions because you exercised your 1A right.
I don't dispute any of this, I have only disputed that the complexities of the gun control debate don't require that gun control advocates call for a gun ban.
Chris
04-06-2018, 12:38 AM
When shootings happen, scoring is typically either "See? Muslim/Black" or "See? Guns." That's it. I do not condone this scoring system, I merely acknowledge its existence. I did not expect anyone to be this offended by that reality.
That might be one of the dumbest things I've read in a long time.
I don't dispute any of this, I have only disputed that the complexities of the gun control debate don't require that gun control advocates call for a gun ban.
I've read this several times and it makes zero sense. Redundant drivel.
Expert
04-06-2018, 12:39 AM
When shootings happen, scoring is typically either "See? Muslim/Black" or "See? Guns." That's it. I do not condone this scoring system, I merely acknowledge its existence. I did not expect anyone to be this offended by that reality.
This is just the "U mad" defense.
What is the "see, guns" side doing when they say that if not hinting at the alternative? The alternative is "see, no guns". This seems obvious to me.
I don't dispute any of this, I have only disputed that the complexities of the gun control debate don't require that gun control advocates call for a gun ban.
Not just like that. The slippery slope isn't a cliff. I'd like to see an explanation of how it's even possible to control anything without preventing someone from getting it.
Spurminator
04-06-2018, 12:43 AM
This is just the "U mad" defense.
What is the "see, guns" side doing when they say that if not hinting at the alternative? The alternative is "see, no guns". This seems obvious to me.
You asked me to define the tribes, not to advocate for them. Now you're pulling arguments out of the air so you have something to talk about.
Not just like that. The slippery slope isn't a cliff. I'd like to see an explanation of how it's even possible to control anything without preventing someone from getting it.
Then review current gun restrictions, because we already do it.
Spurminator
04-06-2018, 12:46 AM
That might be one of the dumbest things I've read in a long time.
lol MSM freaking out about Alex Jones and Mark Dice after casually dismissing them as tin foil hat conspiracy theorists. Information war is real. Now they can just call him a snake oil salesman since he's competing with BigPharma with his health products. They can't figure out why he's successful and why a certain percentage of the population isn't buying their bullshit. NBC news has become reality tv for liberals and retards. Nice hit piece here; outstanding journalism.
Expert
04-06-2018, 12:56 AM
You asked me to define the tribes, not to advocate for them. Now you're pulling arguments out of the air so you have something to talk about.
So when I said "who said anyone wants to ban guns?" why did you and Philo freak out? It sounds like you have zero interest in either debate... now.
What part of that comment implied a gun ban?
Oh look. Dmc doing that thing where he presents the only two choices as doing nothing and a full gun ban, so he gets to say banning guns is bad.
Seems now that it's quite possible one of those two sides does want to ban guns, and you obviously don't have a dog in the race.
Then review current gun restrictions, because we already do it.
What is a restriction and why are you relying on euphemisms instead of saying "prevent people from having guns"? You want more people to not have guns. When that doesn't stop gun violence, you'll want even more people on the "no gun" list. Slippery slope that euphemisms don't disguise so well.
Expert
04-06-2018, 01:00 AM
By the way, the right is fully aware of this slippery slope that the left has been dying to get started down, which is why even seemingly benign gun laws don't make it though.
spurraider21
04-06-2018, 01:04 AM
By the way, the right is fully aware of this slippery slope that the left has been dying to get started down, which is why even seemingly benign gun laws don't make it though.
no. that just means the right is fully willing to commit the slippery slope fallacy at all times.
:lol justifying the right's paranoia with baseless claims about what the left is "dying" to do (according to you)
Expert
04-06-2018, 01:13 AM
no. that just means the right is fully willing to commit the slippery slope fallacy at all times.
:lol justifying the right's paranoia with baseless claims about what the left is "dying" to do (according to you)
:lol dismissing it when you cannot even ban bump stocks
:lol Wet behind the ears, the only gun you've ever experienced was in a FPS
Expert
04-06-2018, 01:16 AM
Preventing Gun Violence
With 33,000 Americans dying every year, Democrats believe that we must finally take sensible action to address gun violence. While responsible gun ownership is part of the fabric of many communities, too many families in America have suffered from gun violence. We can respect the rights of responsible gun owners while keeping our communities safe. To build on the success of the lifesaving Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, we will expand and strengthen background checks and close dangerous loopholes in our current laws; repeal the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) to revoke the dangerous legal immunity protections gun makers and sellers now enjoy; and keep weapons of war—such as assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines (LCAM's)—off our streets. We will fight back against attempts to make it harder for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to revoke federal licenses from law breaking gun dealers, and ensure guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists, intimate partner abusers, other violent criminals, and those with severe mental health issues. There is insufficient research on effective gun prevention policies, which is why the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention must have the resources it needs to study gun violence as a public health issue.
:cry but it doesn't say "ban".
Expert
04-06-2018, 01:24 AM
Preventing Gun Violence
With 33,000 Americans dying every year, Democrats believe that we must finally take sensible action to address gun violence. While responsible gun ownership is part of the fabric of many communities, too many families in America have suffered from gun violence. We can respect the rights of responsible gun owners while keeping our communities safe. To build on the success of the lifesaving Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, we will expand and strengthen background checks and close dangerous loopholes in our current laws; repeal the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) to revoke the dangerous legal immunity protections gun makers and sellers now enjoy; and keep weapons of war—such as assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines (LCAM's)—off our streets. We will fight back against attempts to make it harder for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to revoke federal licenses from law breaking gun dealers, and ensure guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists, intimate partner abusers, other violent criminals, and those with severe mental health issues. There is insufficient research on effective gun prevention policies, which is why the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention must have the resources it needs to study gun violence as a public health issue.
:cry but it doesn't say "ban".
"Off our streets" means "banned". No one is putting guns on the actual street. It's another left euphemism to avoid saying "from the American citizen".
So what do the feds classify as an assault weapon?
Drawing from federal and state law definitions, the term assault weapon refers primarily to semi-automatic rifles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_rifle), pistols (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_pistol), and shotguns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_shotgun) that are able to accept detachable magazines and possess one or more other features.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon#cite_note-Babay121222-2)[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon#cite_note-BAW2004-9)[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon#cite_note-Koerner040916-10) Some jurisdictions define revolving cylinder shotguns as assault weapons.[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon#cite_note-SB23-2000-11)[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon#cite_note-ConnJudicial-12) Legislative definitions do not include fully automatic weapons, which are regulated separately as Title II weapons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_II_weapons) under federal law.[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon#cite_note-FedBan94-13)[n 1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon#cite_note-15) A key defining law was the now-defunct Federal Assault Weapons Ban (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban) of 1994.[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon#cite_note-FedBan94-13) At that time, the United States Department of Justice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice) said, "In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use."[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon#cite_note-Levs130131-3)
So the term "assault weapon" is a slippery slope term coined basically by the media who misunderstood the differences between an assault rifle and a semi-automatic rifle that looks like an assault rifle. Now that mischaracterization is being used to create the slippery slope that would encompass all the above listed items.
spurraider21
04-06-2018, 01:44 AM
:lol dismissing it when you cannot even ban bump stocks
:lol Wet behind the ears, the only gun you've ever experienced was in a FPS
when in doubt, start creating false narratives
spurraider21
04-06-2018, 01:45 AM
now DMC thinks an assault weapon ban is a ban of all guns
Chris
04-06-2018, 01:47 AM
when in doubt, start creating false narratives
That's your modus operandi along with conflation. Habitual fence sitter.
Expert
04-06-2018, 01:48 AM
now DMC thinks an assault weapon ban is a ban of all guns
You're free to point out the flaw in my presentation. You've wasted two posts and haven't touched it yet.
Since you're a lawyer, surely you recognize that legal definitions mean something where new laws are concerned.
Not all guns. You could still own a musket.
Expert
04-06-2018, 01:50 AM
That's your modus operandi along with conflation. Habitual fence sitter.
Provides a high ground for sniping.
Pavlov
04-06-2018, 02:44 AM
I didn't read DMC's posts. I'm going to conclude he didn't have an actual take on the OP.
spurraider21
04-06-2018, 10:08 AM
That's your modus operandi along with conflation. Habitual fence sitter.
What’s your take on the shape of the earth and the Apollo moon landing of 1969?
i predict you’ll sit on the fence
Chris
04-06-2018, 01:10 PM
What’s your take on the shape of the earth and the Apollo moon landing of 1969?
i predict you’ll sit on the fence
Case in point. You're so predictable.
spurraider21
04-06-2018, 02:01 PM
Case in point. You're so predictable.
here's me not sitting on a fence:
the earth is spherical (not a perfect sphere, but close to it. definitely not flat. no snow-globe earth with an impenetrable dome)
we landed on the moon in 1969
i'll let you enjoy your seat on the fence
Expert
04-06-2018, 02:25 PM
The agnostic debater
spurraider21
04-06-2018, 02:35 PM
The deaf music critic.
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