Puzzling, tbh, how do you go from...

[ElNono]

being a Bernie supporter (boutons' style, more or less) to a Trump supporter (with all the far right narrative included, Spurtacular*) in the span of a year, maybe not even a year, tbh?

I understand guys like boutons or Spurtacular, even though I don't necessarily share all their views, tbh, they clearly not only believe in what they say, but have spent some time living in their bubbles. Likely raised in families with similar leanings, etc.

Then you have the typical loons, like Cosmoron, but those normally do stand out from the crowd pretty easily, tbh, and are all over the map. Centrists are pretty easy to tell apart too, normally (ie: economic conservatives, but social liberals, etc, not really toting the party line/talking points, but generally more open to substantive discussion).

Just puzzling to me how an individual can move their political affinity from far left to far right (or the other way around) in less than a year, tbh, considering the rich history and fundamental differing philosophical and policy positions on either end.

Normally, IMO, it's a process that can take many years, through thoughtful introspection, education, experiences, etc. Never seen anything like it, unless the person doesn't really care about politics and just want to be a 'fan' for the winning 'team' with the usual superficial takes on the subject.

Intrigued, tbh...

*Didn't include Chris or TSA as your typical conservative, tbh, because in all likelihood they're just Russian bots. TSA was human at some point, but probably murdered with Seth Rich, IMO.

[Chris]

People in their 20s tend to be Democrats.

People in their 30s and up tend to lean Republican.

Trump was a catalyst that affected all age groups and demographics. That's why the establishment Right/Left neo-cons/liberals are terrified of him.

Still pulling out the weeds within the Deep State, but Trump has been incredibly effective considering the amount of backlash he's received from the aforementioned entities and Media/Hollywood.

I think the real tell will be when the mid-terms come and the predicted blue wave will be non-existent.

[Spurminator]

People in their 20s tend to be Democrats.

People in their 30s and up tend to lean Republican.

Trump was a catalyst that affected all age groups and demographics. That's why the establishment Right/Left neo-cons/liberals are terrified of him.

Still pulling out the weeds within the Deep State, but Trump has been incredibly effective considering the amount of backlash he's received from the aforementioned entities and Media/Hollywood.

I think the real tell will be when the mid-terms come and the predicted blue wave will be non-existent.

Reads like a bot response. Not relevant at all to the OP, betrays a fanboy obsession with Trump.

[koriwhat]

Reads like a bot response. Not relevant at all to the OP, betrays a fanboy obsession with Trump.

the ol' bot retort. lmao

[Chris]

the ol' bot retort. lmao

Predictable and a sign of low intelligence/testosterone.

[koriwhat]

Predictable and a sign of low intelligence/testosterone.

:tu

[ElNono]

People in their 20s tend to be Democrats.

People in their 30s and up tend to lean Republican.

Trump was a catalyst that affected all age groups and demographics. That's why the establishment Right/Left neo-cons/liberals are terrified of him.

Still pulling out the weeds within the Deep State, but Trump has been incredibly effective considering the amount of backlash he's received from the aforementioned entities and Media/Hollywood.

I think the real tell will be when the mid-terms come and the predicted blue wave will be non-existent.

I don't think those age numbers really apply anymore, tbh... probably did with boomers, but not anymore...

More of a cosmopolitan, non-cosmopolitan split these days, IMO, at least looking at the latest national election trends...

Trump is a clown and has so far been very ineffectual, tbh (except on Twitter, I guess), but I understand the appeal when you have Shillary on the other side. I don't think he'll have more than one term, IMO, but that's largely dependent on who the Dems line up... if it's Shillary again, he has a chance and the Dems might awsell implode and start over.

At any rate, I don't think that's related to my question on the OP. Trump is unlikely to change anything when it comes to political status quo, and that was a fairly safe bet even before the election.

I just don't understand the thought 'evolution' from far left to far right in a short period of time, unless you're very superficial when it comes to politics in general... that said, if you buy the 'outsider' meme, it might be just it, tbh...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think those age numbers really apply anymore, tbh... probably did with boomers, but not anymore...

More of a cosmopolitan, non-cosmopolitan split these days, IMO, at least looking at the latest national election trends...

Trump is a clown and has so far been very ineffectual, tbh (except on Twitter, I guess), but I understand the appeal when you have Shillary on the other side. I don't think he'll have more than one term, IMO, but that's largely dependent on who the Dems line up... if it's Shillary again, he has a chance and the Dems might awsell implode and start over.

At any rate, I don't think that's related to my question on the OP. Trump is unlikely to change anything when it comes to political status quo, and that was a fairly safe bet even before the election.

I just don't understand the thought 'evolution' from far left to far right in a short period of time, unless you're very superficial when it comes to politics in general... that said, if you buy the 'outsider' meme, it might be just it, tbh...

They only applied to Boomers of the past generations in the last two centuries. It's wishcasting from GOPotards. If anything the current GOP leader is cementing the reality given his historic unpopularity.

[Nathan89]

When was Bernie ever the "winning team"? Logic fail.

[ElNono]

Bernie ran as a Democrat I thought? They were the incumbent at the time?

[hater]

Bernie was wiping the floor with Shitler until she called DNC to cheat for her

I can see lots of ppl jumping from Bernie wagon to Shitlers enemy wagon just for that reason

[ElNono]

Bernie was wiping the floor with Shitler until she called DNC to cheat for her

I can see lots of ppl jumping from Bernie wagon to Shitlers enemy wagon just for that reason

Yep. Shillary was a terrible candidate, tbh...

Not that it would sway a, say, boutons, but sure...

[hater]

Yep. Shillary was a terrible candidate, tbh...

Not that it would sway a, say, boutons, but sure...

Butons hate for Republican team trumps anything in the world

I respect that kind of hate :lol

[ElNono]

Butons hate for Republican team trumps anything in the world

I respect that kind of hate :lol

:lol Yup, I don't get how you can let something like that ruin your mood/life, but it has happened, tbh... it's deep rooted.

[Nathan89]

Bernie was wiping the floor with Shitler until she called DNC to cheat for her

I can see lots of ppl jumping from Bernie wagon to Shitlers enemy wagon just for that reason

I didn't vote for either candidate after Bernie got cheated tbh. Some people did vote for Trump because of that. Justifiable imho.

[Splits]

Who is OP talking about? These people don't exist, or are extremely rare. I have a feeling you're conflating people who are inactive politically except during Pres election years with those that have strongly held beliefs.

[Splits]

Bernie was wiping the floor with Shitler until she called DNC to cheat for her

I can see lots of ppl jumping from Bernie wagon to Shitlers enemy wagon just for that reason

history rewritten, hater style

[ElNono]

Who is OP talking about? These people don't exist, or are extremely rare. I have a feeling you're conflating people who are inactive politically except during Pres election years with those that have strongly held beliefs.

The actual person doesn't matter, because that's not the point. I just saw an occurrence and I was curious about the thought process behind it.

Like wouldn't you be surprised if RG shows up tomorrow and claims "I'm convinced, the Laffer curve is the real deal"?

And Yoni is a guy that I would put obviously deep rooted on team red, tbh, even though he's not active generally, only mostly during presidential elections.

[Expert]

OP

Do you think Kawhi will have his jersey retired in SA even if he never plays another minute there? He's already done more than Bowen.

[Expert]

Bernie ran as a Democrat I thought? They were the incumbent at the time?
Well yeah, just like the Spurs are in the West but they won't be in the general election tbh

[ElNono]

OP

Do you think Kawhi will have his jersey retired in SA even if he never plays another minute there? He's already done more than Bowen.

No. He would've had to kick Raymond in the mouth at least to receive such honor. Not seeing it.


Well yeah, just like the Spurs are in the West but they won't be in the general election tbh

Don't discount Poop from running, tbh

[spurraider21]

I didn't vote for either candidate after Bernie got cheated tbh. Some people did vote for Trump because of that. Justifiable imho.
yeah but your post history here doesn't seem like you held your nose and voted for trump... you've spend every waking moment complaining about liberalism about a year after supporting bernie sanders :lol

[MultiTroll]

Still get a kick out of how some people swallowed the Repug Rights fabrication of "Bernies a Socialist"

Newsflash, add up all the taxes we pay combined. USA already is a farking Socialist Taxed % state. We just don't get the bennies that Sweeden and Norway do.

[Reck]

I like to think of myself as a left leaning centrist. I get shit for not supporting Bernie at all and voting for Hillary because she was the better of the two shit stains we had for candidates.

Bernie's wild and unrealistic ideas for the government never appealed to me. I think He would have made a great president in the 70s. He came to the scene way too late. Muh free college. :lol

I would have probably voted for Kasich if he won the nom.

[ElNono]

I would have probably voted for Kasich if he won the nom.

Was just talking about that the other day... Kasich time will come, IMO...

[Nathan89]

yeah but your post history here doesn't seem like you held your nose and voted for trump... you've spend every waking moment complaining about liberalism about a year after supporting bernie sanders :lol

It's been well over a year. Almost two years.

[Nathan89]

Still get a kick out of how some people swallowed the Repug Rights fabrication of "Bernies a Socialist"

Newsflash, add up all the taxes we pay combined. USA already is a farking Socialist Taxed % state. We just don't get the bennies that Sweeden and Norway do.

Because those countries don't have a military. When the time comes they'll depend on us. Perhaps they should pay us for that.

[ElNono]

Because those countries don't have a military. When the time comes they'll depend on us. Perhaps they should pay us for that.

Or they could just pivot to another nuclear power which would be happy to replace our military bases on those countries with theirs. Geopolitcs are pretty complicated.

[hater]

I didn't vote for either candidate after Bernie got cheated tbh. Some people did vote for Trump because of that. Justifiable imho.

Yup

[hater]

history rewritten, hater style

Disagreed

I posted all facts

[Expert]

Still get a kick out of how some people swallowed the Repug Rights fabrication of "Bernies a Socialist"

Newsflash, add up all the taxes we pay combined. USA already is a farking Socialist Taxed % state. We just don't get the bennies that Sweeden and Norway do.

Ok, so if you earn 61K a year you get to pay the same high flat rate as someone who earns 60m a year. That's how they do it. Since we don't have a flat tax, we take in less money from income taxes than these countries you mention. Do you want to pay 60% of your income to the federal government?

In the US, the top marginal tax rate of 46.8 percent (state average and federal combined rates) kicks in at 8.5 times the average U.S. income (around $400,000). In Sweden and Norway, the top marginal tax rate of 56% kicks in at 1.6x the average income (= to about 60K USD).

[ElNono]

Ok, so if you earn 61K a year you get to pay the same high flat rate as someone who earns 60m a year. That's how they do it. Since we don't have a flat tax, we take in less money from income taxes than these countries you mention. Do you want to pay 60% of your income to the federal government?

In the US, the top marginal tax rate of 46.8 percent (state average and federal combined rates) kicks in at 8.5 times the average U.S. income (around $400,000). In Sweden and Norway, the top marginal tax rate of 56% kicks in at 1.6x the average income (= to about 60K USD).

True, but, you do get a better safety net/quality of life in the form of subsidized healthcare, paid leave, longer vacation times, or even in some countries (Finland), basic income, etc.

And I know this degenerates quickly into 'handouts!' shouting matches, but ultimately, abuses of the safety net are an oversight problem, they're not a safety net problem.

[boutons_deux]

"abuses of the safety net"

are so minuscule they can be ignored, but play well with Repugs' racist base, although most people on public assistance are white.

Abuses by the oligarchy are real, HUGE problems but the oligarchy is wealthy enough to hire political whores to LIE, or remain silent, in the oligarchy's impregnable defense, esp impregnable among the WHITE poor who swallow blindly the oligarchy's sliming of the poor and Labor as Capital fucks the lower 80%

[baseline bum]

They only applied to Boomers of the past generations in the last two centuries. It's wishcasting from GOPotards. If anything the current GOP leader is cementing the reality given his historic unpopularity.

Meh the Boomers still voted for Nixon. They were never on the left.

[Expert]

True, but, you do get a better safety net/quality of life in the form of subsidized healthcare, paid leave, longer vacation times, or even in some countries (Finland), basic income, etc.

And I know this degenerates quickly into 'handouts!' shouting matches, but ultimately, abuses of the safety net are an oversight problem, they're not a safety net problem.

And people are free to move there and engage in it. I prefer to keep my money, live in a house larger than a small apartment, determine my quality of life based on my decisions and effort, have something to do when "longer vacation" comes around other than going to some archipelago on a cold sea or sitting a sauna all day drinking coffee.

I don't want to spend all my money to live in a retirement community.

I spend a lot of time in that region and it's a beautiful place to visit, but everyone I meet there complains that they cannot afford to live like Americans. They also don't border with a 3rd world country, don't have a history of slavery, weren't built by chinese migrant workers, didn't kill all the natives and put a few on reservations to open the land for the homesteaders, etc..

Different dynamic over there, but I don't want that over here.

Besides, didn't people get pissed when Trump commented "why can't we get some people from Norway here instead of some shithole country?"

[boutons_deux]

boutons ... "living in their bubbles" :lol

[AaronY]

Besides, didn't people get pissed when Trump commented "why can't we get some people from Norway here instead of some shithole country?"

The Norwegians in Norway mostly got pissed since they all universally laughed at the idea of wanting to come here. Some hall of fame level tweets about it iirc

[ElNono]

And people are free to move there and engage in it. I prefer to keep my money, live in a house larger than a small apartment, determine my quality of life based on my decisions and effort, have something to do when "longer vacation" comes around other than going to some archipelago on a cold sea or sitting a sauna all day drinking coffee.

I don't want to spend all my money to live in a retirement community.

I spend a lot of time in that region and it's a beautiful place to visit, but everyone I meet there complains that they cannot afford to live like Americans. They also don't border with a 3rd world country, don't have a history of slavery, weren't built by chinese migrant workers, didn't kill all the natives and put a few on reservations to open the land for the homesteaders, etc..

Different dynamic over there, but I don't want that over here.

Besides, didn't people get pissed when Trump commented "why can't we get some people from Norway here instead of some shithole country?"

Absolutely. After taxes and before death, you do with your money what you want ;)

And yeah, it's just different, but I don't know if I would catalogue better or worse, tbh... like safety next probably better (depending on country), but what you keep in your pocket, worse... so it's a balancing act that's eventually very personal.

There's plenty of cases of people migrating either way and then things not working out and heading back. I don't know you have to be a migrant, but if you spent any considerable time overseas, you certainly start noticing the stuff that work/don't work for you in that place.

[koriwhat]

When was Bernie ever the "winning team"? Logic fail.

bernie is what he's always been.... a big mouth with no spine. dude folded and sold out to HRC in a blink of an eye. you really want a dude to be president who talks out both sides of his mouth and has no legs to stand on? fuck 2face bernie.

[Expert]

Absolutely. After taxes and before death, you do with your money what you want ;)

And yeah, it's just different, but I don't know if I would catalogue better or worse, tbh... like safety next probably better (depending on country), but what you keep in your pocket, worse... so it's a balancing act that's eventually very personal.

There's plenty of cases of people migrating either way and then things not working out and heading back. I don't know you have to be a migrant, but if you spent any considerable time overseas, you certainly start noticing the stuff that work/don't work for you in that place.

What doesn't work: 4 hours of daylight in the winter, price of Lapland piss (beer), 2 hours of darkness in the summer where people don't ever go to bed.
What does work: Every girl is a supermodel...... reindeer steaks...

[ElNono]

What doesn't work: 4 hours of daylight in the winter, price of Lapland piss (beer), 2 hours of darkness in the summer where people don't ever go to bed.
What does work: Every girl is a supermodel...... reindeer steaks...

I get that here in NJ, tbh... sucks... they should do away with DST

[SnakeBoy]

I don't think those age numbers really apply anymore, tbh... probably did with boomers, but not anymore...

More of a cosmopolitan, non-cosmopolitan split these days, IMO, at least looking at the latest national election trends...

Trump is a clown and has so far been very ineffectual, tbh (except on Twitter, I guess), but I understand the appeal when you have Shillary on the other side. I don't think he'll have more than one term, IMO, but that's largely dependent on who the Dems line up... if it's Shillary again, he has a chance and the Dems might awsell implode and start over.

At any rate, I don't think that's related to my question on the OP. Trump is unlikely to change anything when it comes to political status quo, and that was a fairly safe bet even before the election.

I just don't understand the thought 'evolution' from far left to far right in a short period of time, unless you're very superficial when it comes to politics in general... that said, if you buy the 'outsider' meme, it might be just it, tbh...

I think that's a big part of the "Bernie or Trump" people but they also had similar messages to the working class.

Honestly don't know how you think Trump has been completely ineffective except on twitter. He's done more damage to the progressive agenda than anyone since Reagan, probably more than Reagan tbh.

[ElNono]

I think that's a big part of the "Bernie or Trump" people but they also had similar messages to the working class.

Honestly don't know how you think Trump has been completely ineffective except on twitter. He's done more damage to the progressive agenda than anyone since Reagan, probably more than Reagan tbh.

In what sense, tbh? Obamacare is perhaps the largest, longest standing bullseye on the GOP crosshairs, and there it is.

Actually, I would even argue he did more damage to the GOP brand than he did the Dems.

- His perhaps biggest accomplishment so far, tax reform, basically acknowledged what the left has been claiming forever, that they only take care of the rich.

- The abject failure to down Obamacare is deeply rooted on the fact that, as Dems have been claiming for a while, the GOP has yet to come up with palatable health reform that doesn't look like a scam. Even with the Executive and Congress in their control. That's pretty amazing, considering that Obamacare is another scam, tbh.

I can't think of anything else noteworthy that doesn't involve sensationalist stuff like Russia, firing people or porn stars, tbh...

Yet to be seen, the talks with NK and how this gamble on tariffs play out...