Knife Control

[Nathan89]

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[Nathan89]

Logic extended the gun control debate won't stop at assault rifles. Only idiots think that.

[Nathan89]

Thinking we are idiots for seeing the obvious future.:lol
Bending over for big daddy government.:lol
Zero foresight. :lol

[Nathan89]

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The protests don't stop. The idiots keep on marching for an ever increasing and controlling government.

[ElNono]

Solid initiative, tbh... looks like it's well supported. Thanks for sharing, had no idea such movement existed in the UK.

[Nathan89]

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Country of children. :lmao

[Nathan89]

Solid initiative, tbh... looks like it's well supported. Thanks for sharing, had no idea such movement existed in the UK.

Was the short bus comfortable when you were growing up?

[Nathan89]

You can get the moronic left to march for banning anything. They are very controlling people. There is no reason they wouldn't march to ban any number of products that cause deaths. Absolutely pathetic. Meanwhile after controlling everything in your life they'll make it even more miserable by letting in "refugees" that nobody wants.

[ElNono]

Was the short bus comfortable when you were growing up?

why the insult? It was a honest response. You'll find a lot of people through life that doesn't agree with your viewpoint, that like to talk about it.

You'll also find people that radically change their mind too over life... sometimes within a year too, tbh...

Not that there's anything particularly wrong with that.

[Nathan89]

why the insult? It was a honest response. You'll find a lot of people through life that doesn't agree with your viewpoint, that like to talk about it.

You'll also find people that radically change their mind too over life... sometimes within a year too, tbh...

Not that there's anything particularly wrong with that.

My bad. I didn't realize that some people wanted to live in a bubble.

Yeah, people can change their opinion in life. Thanks for the info. Typically people change direction when they realize they are going in the wrong direction.

It's only a few months away from two years since Bernie lost the primary by the way.

[Nathan89]

Anyone with a knife has blood on their hands.

[ElNono]

My bad. I didn't realize that some people wanted to live in a bubble.

Yeah, people can change their opinion in life. Thanks for the info. Typically people change direction when they realize they are going in the wrong direction.

It's only a few months away from two years since Bernie lost the primary by the way.

I didn't name names in the thread (even though I could've easily done that) because I don't think it matters.

It was also a honest question, tbh, was it a bad experience, a new conservative girlfriend? You don't have to answer specifics if you don't want to, it's fair and fine.

I just can't fathom seeing boutons one day showing up and declaring 'Trickle down is my new truth', tbh...

[ElNono]

IOW, it's not about you, it's about the thought process that lead you there that I'm curious about. But it's fine if it's personal, etc.

[Nathan89]

I didn't name names in the thread (even though I could've easily done that) because I don't think it matters.

It was also a honest question, tbh, was it a bad experience, a new conservative girlfriend? You don't have to answer specifics if you don't want to, it's fair and fine.

I just can't fathom seeing boutons one day showing up and declaring 'Trickle down is my new truth', tbh...

You were obviously talking about me in this thread. You didn't need to name names.

Yeah, if you look at it as "trickle down" and you are broke you'll be pissed. If you look at the things that get created because of the engine of capitalism, that raises your standard of living drastically over time you'll have a better perspective.

[ElNono]

You were obviously talking about me in this thread. You didn't need to name names.

Yeah, if you look at it as "trickle down" and you are broke you'll be pissed. If you look at the things that get created because of the engine of capitalism, that raises your standard of living drastically over time you'll have a better perspective.

You seemed upset in this thread that somebody has a different worldview, tbh... politics are not worth that, IMO.

Trickle down has nothing to do with capitalism, tbh... it's an economic theory that dates back to the early 20th century, capitalism can be traced back to the 16th century... Funnily enough, trickle down was coined from a joke in the 1930's, due to the great depression.

I'm a big fan of capitalism as an economic model, tbh, I wouldn't want to replace that with anything else.

[Expert]

You'll get my knife when you pry it from my cold fat fingers

[ElNono]

You'll get my knife when you pry it from my cold fat fingers

You can borrow mine after I'm done with the Salmon, tbh

[Chris]

People will just use ninja stars. Might as well ban all steel and plastics - we can eat with our hands.

[ElNono]

People will just use ninja stars. Might as well ban all steel and plastics - we can eat with our hands.

I could probably kill you with a plastic spoon. I won't because I'm a chill dude, but just saying.

[monosylab1k]

I honestly would give anything to be having a knife control debate in this country instead of gun control and hundreds of dead children and thousands of dead people.

[Isitjustme?]

Yeah, dont see the problem. i would much rather someone come at me with a steak knife than an AR-15.

OP really is a mongoloid.

[Nathan89]

As long as we can all agree that the left will indeed come for all the guns and anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

[Isitjustme?]

As long as we can all agree that the left will indeed come for all the guns and anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

We all agree you're retarded and an easily swayed moron

[spurraider21]

As long as we can all agree that the left will indeed come for all the guns and anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.
:lol justifying paranoia

[Nathan89]

:lol justifying paranoia

Yeah, because only a couple comment up someone is dreaming of the day that we talk about knife control and making it mandatory for everyone to cushion corner guards on tables.

"paranoia"

[Nathan89]

"racist" "sexist" "paranoia"

Tactics of the left.

[Isitjustme?]

All this from the guy who supported Bernie 20 minutes ago

[Chris]

I could probably kill you with a plastic spoon. I won't because I'm a chill dude, but just saying.

Come at me bro do you even lift?

[Expert]

I could probably kill you with a plastic spoon. I won't because I'm a chill dude, but just saying.

Without even leaving a mark. Don't get me started about newspapers.

[Expert]

Yeah, dont see the problem. i would much rather someone come at me with a steak knife than an AR-15.

OP really is a mongoloid.
Especially if you had a steak

[ElNono]

Come at me bro do you even lift?

Are we really going to bout it out over plastic spoons control? :lol

[Chris]

Are we really going to bout it out over plastic spoons control? :lol

Maybe we can start with just banning sporks. This is an illegal modification anyways.

[Expert]

Maybe we can start with just banning sporks. This is an illegal modification anyways.
Not if you have a title II permit to manufacture sporks which requires a culinary degree I think.

[Chris]

Not if you have a title II permit to manufacture sporks which requires a culinary degree I think.

There's always a loop hole.

[Expert]

There's always a loop hole.
You can kill with a magazine, especially a thick one, so they need to limit the capacity of those. Some call them "clippings".

[ElNono]

Maybe we can start with just banning sporks. This is an illegal modification anyways.

2nd Amendment protects my right to own sporks, tbh. You can't have them.

[ElNono]

You can kill with a magazine, especially a thick one, so they need to limit the capacity of those. Some call them "clippings".

#1 murder weapon on flies... people don't realize there's little flies at home waiting for daddy to come back, and it's never happening again... :cry

[Expert]

#1 murder weapon on flies... people don't realize there's little flies at home waiting for daddy to come back, and it's never happening again... :cry

#FLM

[Chris]

This is a real thing.


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[koriwhat]

This is a real thing.


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kahn is the perfect little muslim playing the part perfectly. what a scumbag that dude is.

[Chris]

kahn is the perfect little muslim playing the part perfectly. what a scumbag that dude is.

After Katie Hopkins buried him the other day he buries himself with this :lol

[Nathan89]

This is a real thing.


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"They don't want to take all your guns.":lmao

[monosylab1k]

"They don't want to take all your guns.":lmao

Yeah it’s pretty lame to play it down the middle. Just keep it real.

I definitely want to take your guns away. All of them. Fuck your guns, you pussy ass faggot.

[Nathan89]

“No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law.”

Goes to show how oppressive the government can get when you give them too much power. This is absolutely pathetic.

[Nathan89]

Yeah it’s pretty lame to play it down the middle. Just keep it real.

I definitely want to take your guns away. All of them. Fuck your guns, you pussy ass faggot.

:tu

I already knew that. Some people are just liars.

[Chris]

“No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law.”

Goes to show how oppressive the government can get when you give them too much power. This is absolutely pathetic.


Blueprint for disaster - the European Union.

[Spurminator]

So most of the London stabbings this year are a result of gang violence?

Still seems preferable to a bunch of stray bullets. Nice of you guys to be concerned about the gangs' need to protect themselves though.

[Chris]

"They don't want to take all your guns.":lmao

It's already here in Illinois.


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[Chris]

So most of the London stabbings this year are a result of gang violence?

Still seems preferable to a bunch of stray bullets. Nice of you guys to be concerned about the gangs' need to protect themselves though.

I hope you didn't procreate.

[Nathan89]

Blueprint for disaster - the European Union.

In the gun control thread we were "crazy" for thinking people wanted to ban all guns. Apparently "nobody wanted that". We were "crazy" for bringing up alcohol, swimming pools, cell phones, etc. Now that they face the long run stupidity of their decision making they continue to defend it. Of course it tracks right along with everything everything we have been saying. We aren't too far off from people in the UK being required to wear a body cam.

"No excuses: there is never a reason to not wear a body cam. Anyone who doesn't will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."

Idiots: Oh wow. I wish we could be that free.

:lmao

[Nathan89]

It's already here in Illinois.


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Absolutely. It's pathetic.

[Spurminator]

I hope you didn't procreate.

Another tangent from the forum's biggest coward.

Won't talk about the London murder rate after the handgun ban and won't acknowledge the source of the recent violence.

You can't hide behind misleading headlines and talking points here. We're not all susceptible to news-for-idiots.

[Spurminator]

In the gun control thread we were "crazy" for thinking people wanted to ban all guns. Apparently "nobody wanted that". We were "crazy" for bringing up alcohol, swimming pools, cell phones, etc. Now that they face the long run stupidity of their decision making they continue to defend it. Of course it tracks right along with everything everything we have been saying. We aren't too far off from people in the UK being required to wear a body cam.

"No excuses: there is never a reason to not wear a body cam. Anyone who doesn't will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."

Idiots: Oh wow. I wish we could be that free.

:lmao

See, when you're too scared or stupid to debate the types of policies being discussed in reality, you default to an extreme that's easier for you to argue against. You can't handle discussions of gun restrictions, exceptions, registries, etc., so your mind goes to its safe space where everyone who opposes unrestricted access to guns is secretly plotting to take all of your guns in the end. It's the same reason you guys are so susceptible to fake news. It makes you feel better. Toughen up.

[ElNono]

In the gun control thread we were "crazy" for thinking people wanted to ban all guns.
:lmao

I think you have to be fairly loony, flat out ignorant or extremely paranoid to think that, especially in the US.

[ElNono]

It's already here in Illinois.


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The site where that came from certainly looks like your cup of tea, tbh... :lol

http://www.renegadetribune.com/

[Spurminator]

"Eventually, they'll want to take all of our guns."
"IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING." (Posts article about an assault-style weapons ban.)

[ElNono]

Plus, Assault Weapons bans are not necessarily illegal... see: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-supreme-court-highland-park-assault-weapons-ban-20151207-story.html

[Expert]

So most of the London stabbings this year are a result of gang violence?

Still seems preferable to a bunch of stray bullets. Nice of you guys to be concerned about the gangs' need to protect themselves though.
Really, you're going to split hairs and speculate over being shot vs being stabbed and, because it supports your position, choose being stabbed to death? Have you ever been shot or stabbed? Explain how one seems preferable over the other, be specific.

[Expert]

Plus, Assault Weapons bans are not necessarily illegal... see: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-supreme-court-highland-park-assault-weapons-ban-20151207-story.html
Illegal and unconstitutional are completely different concepts. Laws can be passed for a number of reasons that violate your rights.

It would be very difficult to confiscate weapons you don't know exist.

[Spurminator]

Really, you're going to split hairs and speculate over being shot vs being stabbed and, because it supports your position, choose being stabbed to death? Have you ever been shot or stabbed? Explain how one seems preferable over the other, be specific.

The preference is specifically spelled out in the post you quoted, and it has nothing to do with me being shot or stabbed.

[monosylab1k]

Really, you're going to split hairs and speculate over being shot vs being stabbed and, because it supports your position, choose being stabbed to death? Have you ever been shot or stabbed? Explain how one seems preferable over the other, be specific.

Well for one, you’re a lot less likely to miss and kill the six year old kid next door with a knife.

[Spurminator]

Good to see the NRA crowd has taken up the Arm London's Gangs Now position.

[DMX7]

So what's the point of this thread? Is this just another "slipper slope" nonsense argument? We can't take AR-15 assault rifles off the streets because the next thing you know we'll be living in a state of tyranny? So convincing...

[Nathan89]

I think you have to be fairly loony, flat out ignorant or extremely paranoid to think that, especially in the US.

Slow process my friend. You guys have such a short term perspective on everything.

[Spurminator]

Slow process my friend. You guys have such a short term perspective on everything.

I thought it was our plan all along. Wouldn't that be our long term perspective?

[Nathan89]

I thought it was our plan all along. Wouldn't that be our long term perspective?

It's obviously not everyones plan but that is indeed the long term plan. Some people just get caught up in the moment with their feelings. The problem is their feelings will keep triggering and they'll be protesting for knifes and body cams in the future.

[Spurminator]

It's obviously not everyones plan but that is indeed the long term plan. Some people just get caught up in the moment with their feelings. The problem is their feelings will keep triggering and they'll be protesting for knifes and body cams in the future.

So is it a plan or a slippery slope? Whose plan is it?

And what body cams are you talking about? The ones on law enforcement? What's the argument against those?

[monosylab1k]

I thought it was our plan all along. Wouldn't that be our long term perspective?

Slow process. Like on day one of Obama’s presidency when he was DEFINITELY going to “:cry take all our guns away :cry” and then eight years later it never happened.....just trust the process. Obama is DEFINITELY still going to take their guns away eventually.

[Nathan89]

So what's the point of this thread? Is this just another "slipper slope" nonsense argument? We can't take AR-15 assault rifles off the streets because the next thing you know we'll be living in a state of tyranny? So convincing...

It's not such a leap when you consider the logic to ban the AR-15 is so weak and can be applied to numerous things. Furthermore, many are becoming self hating American's that look to countries banning knifes and locking up owners of nazi dogs as the blueprint to what our country should be.

[Chris]

It simply comes down to exchanging your freedom for a false sense of security. Today's America is much more gullible though willing to exchange freedom just to virtue signal compassion for dead kids.

[Nathan89]

So is it a plan or a slippery slope? Whose plan is it?

And what body cams are you talking about? The ones on law enforcement? What's the argument against those?

It's a plan that plays on the emotions of the masses. That's why they are using children to push their agenda.

No, I'm not talking about law enforcement. I'm talking about the next step for those pursuing safety at all costs.

[ElNono]

Illegal and unconstitutional are completely different concepts. Laws can be passed for a number of reasons that violate your rights.

It would be very difficult to confiscate weapons you don't know exist.

It did reach the SCOTUS, the highest Constitutional overseer we have, who didn't deem it worth their time.

In those cases, the law is indeed considered Constitutional, at least until the SCOTUS decides to review this topic again through a different case, etc.

There's also the Heller precedent, where the SCOTUS clearly established that the right to bear arms is unlimited and guns and gun ownership can be regulated and will continue to be.

[Nathan89]

It simply comes down to exchanging your freedom for a false sense of security. Today's America is much more gullible though willing to exchange freedom just to virtue signal compassion for dead kids.

They pushed the agenda for alcohol in the past as well. Of course it came with the "think about the children" propaganda posters. I agree it's worse now though. That's because they want government to be daddy.

[monosylab1k]

It simply comes down to exchanging your freedom for a false sense of security. Today's America is much more gullible though willing to exchange freedom just to virtue signal compassion for dead kids.

You seem to mistake any compassion as virtue signaling. Maybe the more logical explanation is that you’re just a selfish piece of shit.

[monosylab1k]

They pushed the agenda for alcohol in the past as well. Of course it came with the "think about the children" propaganda posters. I agree it's worse now though. That's because they want government to be daddy.

:lmao like you faggots don’t pull that shit with immigration. “Keep Muslims and Mexicans out :cry to keep our children safe :cry” get the fuck outta here with that hypocritical ass bullshit.

Ban abortions to protect :cry the babies :cry but as soon as one pops out of the womb and gets hit with a stray bullet then FUCK THOSE KIDS I’M KEEPIN MUH GUNS!

[Spurminator]

It's a plan that plays on the emotions of the masses. That's why they are using children to push their agenda.

Right, whereas the "They're coming to take your guns, which is the only way you can keep yourselves safe from the influx of immigrants, the gangs, the religious extremists and the Media" argument is calm and phlegmatic side of the debate.


No, I'm not talking about law enforcement. I'm talking about the next step for those pursuing safety at all costs.

So what is it?

[ElNono]

Slow process my friend. You guys have such a short term perspective on everything.

You have no idea what my perspective is, nor any idea of the legal steps to carry out what you propose, nor the jurisprudence going back decades...

Mount your legal case against the 2nd Amendment and show us how we're going to get to abolish the 2nd Amendment and ban all gun ownership.

[ElNono]

It's obviously not everyones plan but that is indeed the long term plan. Some people just get caught up in the moment with their feelings. The problem is their feelings will keep triggering and they'll be protesting for knifes and body cams in the future.

The irony is pretty great in this post :lol

[Spurminator]

They pushed the agenda for alcohol in the past as well. Of course it came with the "think about the children" propaganda posters.

Prohibition came with Bible verses and was mostly supported in rural areas.

You know, same people that think the government's coming for their guns.

[ElNono]

It simply comes down to exchanging your freedom for a false sense of security. Today's America is much more gullible though willing to exchange freedom just to virtue signal compassion for dead kids.

The biggest nanny state, false sense of security theaters enacted in recent times come from Republican administrations under the guise of the war on terror... you were very likely on board with them before you were against them. (Patriot Act, TSA, NSA wiretap programs, etc etc etc).

For as much as some people here want to demonize 'the radical left', the actual steps came straight from the right (in complicity with the Dems, to be sure).

[Chris]

The biggest nanny state, false sense of security theaters enacted in recent times come from Republican administrations under the guise of the war on terror... you were very likely on board with them before you were against them. (Patriot Act, TSA, NSA wiretap programs, etc etc etc).

For as much as some people here want to demonize 'the radical left', the actual steps came straight from the right (in complicity with the Dems, to be sure).

I voted for Nader. I've been anti-establishment for quite some time with little to no faith in either party. Trump gave me hope.

[Spurminator]

I voted for Nader. I've been anti-establishment for quite some time with little to no faith in either party. Trump gave me hope.

This is about the most pathetic thing I've ever read.

[Nathan89]

:lmao like you faggots don’t pull that shit with immigration. “Keep Muslims and Mexicans out :cry to keep our children safe :cry” get the fuck outta here with that hypocritical ass bullshit.

Ban abortions to protect :cry the babies :cry but as soon as one pops out of the womb and gets hit with a stray bullet then FUCK THOSE KIDS I’M KEEPIN MUH GUNS!

Muslim's are a massive unnecessary threat to your country. I don't speak about Mexicans as a major danger but there are numerous reason to keep illegals out of the country.

So you are comparing something equals 100% death to an item that could equal death. Also taking a short term outlook of your gun deaths.

[AaronY]

Well for one, you’re a lot less likely to miss and kill the six year old kid next door with a knife.
:lmao

[ElNono]

I voted for Nader. I've been anti-establishment for quite some time with little to no faith in either party. Trump gave me hope.

How's that working out for you? (no sarcasm, honest question)

[Chris]

How's that working out for you? (no sarcasm, honest question)

We will see at the mid-terms. I'm predicting a sea of crimson red. One simply needs to latch on to Trump to win there.

[Spurminator]

We will see at the mid-terms. I'm predicting a sea of crimson red. One simply needs to latch on to Trump to win there.

What does this have to do with being anti-establishment?

You went from voting for a pro-choice, pro-gun-control environmentalist who advocates for single-payer health insurance to cheerleading against all of those things (and for total establishment moves like massive tax cuts for the wealthy) while wearing a MAGA hat and rooting for Republican Congressional victories.

It's one thing to vote for Trump as a vote against the establishment, I get that, but you've basically reversed every conviction you once had because Trump is the guy you root for now? Do you have any real convictions?

I don't think you actually hate the establishment, I think you just hate life and want to watch the world burn. What a fucking loser.

[spurraider21]

It simply comes down to exchanging your freedom for a false sense of security. Today's America is much more gullible though willing to exchange freedom just to virtue signal compassion for dead kids.
Gun ownership gives people a false sense of security. Statistically more likely to accidentally injure yourself or a family member than be used in self defense

[Expert]

Well for one, you’re a lot less likely to miss and kill the six year old kid next door with a knife.
32 deaths are 32 deaths. It's not about gun vs knife, it's about death toll. If you think people being killed by a knife is somehow more acceptable than people killed by a gun, that need some explanation. Who said the NY killings were stray bullets hitting kids?

[monosylab1k]

What does this have to do with being anti-establishment?

You went from voting for a pro-choice, pro-gun-control environmentalist who advocates for single-payer health insurance to cheerleading against all of those things (and for total establishment moves like massive tax cuts for the wealthy) while wearing a MAGA hat and rooting for Republican Congressional victories.

It's one thing to vote for Trump as a vote against the establishment, I get that, but you've basically reversed every conviction you once had because Trump is the guy you root for now? Do you have any real convictions?

I don't think you actually hate the establishment, I think you just hate life and want to watch the world burn. What a fucking loser.
This.

[Expert]

Gun ownership gives people a false sense of security. Statistically more likely to accidentally injure yourself or a family member than be used in self defense
Police protection gives people a false sense of security since you're more likely to be arrested and jailed or killed by an assailant than having a cop come to your rescue in time to save you.

Carrying a gun isn't about having a sense of security. It's about having the ability to respond under crisis situation if one ever developed. You might still not respond, you might not respond properly, but you have the ability to do so.

It's always the non-gun crowd who thinks having a gun is to invoke a feeling.

[monosylab1k]

32 deaths are 32 deaths. It's not about gun vs knife, it's about death toll. If you think people being killed by a knife is somehow more acceptable than people killed by a gun, that need some explanation. Who said the NY killings were stray bullets hitting kids?

Is the Sandy Hook massacre possible if Adam Lanza is only armed with a knife? Yes or no?

[Expert]

Is the Sandy Hook massacre possible if Adam Lanza is only armed with a knife? Yes or no?

Deflection. 32 deaths by knife vs 32 deaths by gun. That's the issue.

[Chris]

Gun ownership gives people a false sense of security. Statistically more likely to accidentally injure yourself or a family member than be used in self defense

You know the old saying - better to have a gun and not need one than to need a gun and not have one. If you're comfortable protecting yourself or your loved ones with nothing more than your fists then that is your prerogative. You can remind yourself you were on the right side of the stats on the way to the hospital. That's all the good it will do you.

[monosylab1k]

Deflection. 32 deaths by knife vs 32 deaths by gun. That's the issue.

No it isn’t. Stop trying to force your flawed argument.

Is Sandy Hook possible if Adam Lanza has a knife? Yes or no.

[Spurminator]

Deflection. 32 deaths by knife vs 32 deaths by gun. That's the issue.

All of this because I suggested that London might be better off with their gangs armed with knives than guns. I think the stray bullet thing is pretty objectively a winning argument in favor of knives being preferable. But it's hardly worth pages and pages of discussion, so... I take it you believe it's preferable to loosen gun restrictions in London so those gangs will shoot each other instead of stabbing each other? What's your opinion on London's stabbing epidemic?

[Chris]

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[Spurminator]

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About that crime rate, did you ever figure out what has happened to the crime rate in London since handguns were restricted? Or are you going to continue to ignore the question like a little bitch?

[spurraider21]

Carrying a gun isn't about having a sense of security. It's about having the ability to respond under crisis situation if one ever developed. You might still not respond, you might not respond properly, but you have the ability to do so.
:lol its not about sense of security, it’s about knowing you can respond to a crisis :lol


It's always the non-gun crowd who thinks having a gun is to invoke a feeling.
I own a gun tbh. Didn’t spend money on one, my dad handed it down. Though will probably get rid of it when my family size grows beyond 2

[Expert]

No it isn’t. Stop trying to force your flawed argument.

Is Sandy Hook possible if Adam Lanza has a knife? Yes or no.

Start a thread and ask that question if you want to create a red herring.

In London, the homicide rate has increased as the British capital experiences a rise in knife-related crime — responsible for 31 deaths this year — while New York City's murder rate has steadily dropped for almost three decades. Of the 54 murders in New York City this year, 32 people died by a firearm.

Death is death. I didn't see Adam Lanza's name in there anywhere. No one said knives are better killing tools than guns. You can continue to make the obvious emotional plea for Sandy Hook but it's a deflection.

[Chris]

:lol its not about sense of security, it’s about knowing you can respond to a crisis :lol


I own a gun tbh. Didn’t spend money on one, my dad handed it down. Though will probably get rid of it when my family size grows beyond 2


I'm sure your dad would be proud that you are getting rid of a sentimental hand me down for David Hogg.

[Expert]

:lol its not about sense of security, it’s about knowing you can respond to a crisis :lol


I own a gun tbh. Didn’t spend money on one, my dad handed it down. Though will probably get rid of it when my family size grows beyond 2
I didn't say you don't own a gun. I said "non-gun".

Ask any cop why they carry a gun. See if they talk about sense of security. Since you don't carry and really know nothing of it, you have no idea so you're left to speculate.
Does your spare tire give you a sense of security and if so, is that why you have one?

[Expert]

What I actually said


It's about having the ability to respond under crisis situation if one ever developed.

What you claim I said


:lol its not about sense of security, it’s about knowing you can respond to a crisis :lol

Changing my words to try to show a conflict is a cheap, predictable tactic that happens here constantly. I intentionally did not use the word "knowing". You added it though.

Noted as well that a gun person would never use a child as a reason to get rid of a gun, because that's worth protecting. Obviously you shouldn't have the gun now if you cannot control it.

[Spurminator]

There is almost no difference in the phrase "knowing you can respond" vs "having the ability to respond." Certainty in the effectiveness of results is not implied by either.

[Expert]

All of this because I suggested that London might be better off with their gangs armed with knives than guns. I think the stray bullet thing is pretty objectively a winning argument in favor of knives being preferable. But it's hardly worth pages and pages of discussion, so... I take it you believe it's preferable to loosen gun restrictions in London so those gangs will shoot each other instead of stabbing each other? What's your opinion on London's stabbing epidemic?

People will kill people they want to kill. If the number is the same, it doesn't matter if it's a gun or a knife.

[Spurminator]

Carrying a gun isn't about having a sense of security.


Noted as well that a gun person would never use a child as a reason to get rid of a gun, because that's worth protecting.

:lol There it is again.

[Expert]

There is almost no difference in the phrase "knowing you can respond" vs "having the ability to respond." Certainty in the effectiveness of results is not implied by either.


There is a huge difference. One infers a state of being. The other refers to a state of knowing. You can feel safe and not be safe. I never said I know I can respond. I plainly said you might not respond, you might respond wrong. That means you don't know, unless you struggle with epistemology.

If you don't have a gun, you know then that you cannot respond.

[Spurminator]

People will kill people they want to kill. If the number is the same, it doesn't matter if it's a gun or a knife.

You don't know what the number would be if they used guns instead of knives.

[Chris]

There is almost no difference in the phrase "knowing you can respond" vs "having the ability to respond." Certainty in the effectiveness of results is not implied by either.

There's a huge difference :lmao

[Expert]

:lol There it is again.

So SR21 right now has a sense of security because he owns a gun (a false sense as well according to him) but that sense of security will become a sense of fear once a child is born?

Or

SR21 now has a gun and has the ability to respond if he so chooses, whether he has any feelings at all about it, but once he thinks about it a sense of risk vs reward sets in and he might opt to sell the gun once a child is born?

Which of these infers a sense of security? The last one, because he feels more secure getting rid of the gun. He doesn't know the outcome, and it's no longer about an ability to respond.

[Spurminator]

There is a huge difference. One infers a state of being. The other refers to a state of knowing. You can feel safe and not be safe. I never said I know I can respond. I plainly said you might not respond, you might respond wrong. That means you don't know, unless you struggle with epistemology.

If you don't have a gun, you know then that you cannot respond.

"I have a gun so I know I can respond in a crisis."

"I have a gun so I'll have the ability to respond in a crisis."

You might have intended it differently, but both those sentences mean the exact same thing and accusing spuraider21 of misrepresenting what you said is a chickenshit diversion.

[Expert]

You don't know what the number would be if they used guns instead of knives.
The number is given. In NY there were 32 gun related fatalities. In London there were 31 knife related fatalities.

[Spurminator]

There's a huge difference :lmao

Don't @ me until you have the nuts to answer my questions, loser.

[Spurminator]

The number is given. In NY there were 32 gun related fatalities. In London there were 31 knife related fatalities.

This is false logic. London and New York are different cities. You don't know what those numbers would be if the weapons were reversed.

Incidentally, both cities have seen their murder rates drastically drop since increased gun legislation was enacted. Chris could have told you this but he's hiding.

[Expert]

"I have a gun so I know I can respond in a crisis."

"I have a gun so I'll have the ability to respond in a crisis."

You might have intended it differently, but both those sentences mean the exact same thing and accusing spuraider21 of misrepresenting what you said is a chickenshit diversion.
You added a word on your own - "know". If it's the same, why do you need to add that word? My quote is there in bold letters, separated out for your convenience. Unless you're going for a solipsism, which it seems you are, then having the ability to do something isn't the same as having knowledge of it. The goal of having an ability (to dunk, for instance) isn't the same as the goal to have the knowledge that you can. That knowledge might come with the ability, but it's not the goal.

So I don't carry a gun to make me feel safe. It doesn't make me feel safe. In fact, just the opposite. I makes me feel like I could cause more problems than it's worth, but it provides the ability to respond. We all do things because it appeases our inner needs, so if you want to equate everything we do to addressing a feeling, go for it.

[Spurminator]

So SR21 right now has a sense of security because he owns a gun (a false sense as well according to him) but that sense of security will become a sense of fear once a child is born?

Or

SR21 now has a gun and has the ability to respond if he so chooses, whether he has any feelings at all about it, but once he thinks about it a sense of risk vs reward sets in and he might opt to sell the gun once a child is born?

Which of these infers a sense of security? The last one, because he feels more secure getting rid of the gun. He doesn't know the outcome, and it's no longer about an ability to respond.

All of these scenarios involve security in one way or another. Different people weigh the potential scenarios differently. You're overthinking it.

[Expert]

This is false logic. London and New York are different cities. You don't know what those numbers would be if the weapons were reversed.

Incidentally, both cities have seen their murder rates drastically drop since increased gun legislation was enacted. Chris could have told you this but he's hiding.

Different cities until the anti-gun crowd wants to cite results of a gun ban. The weapons weren't reversed. They have knives in NY too.

[Expert]

All of these scenarios involve security in one way or another. Different people weigh the potential scenarios differently. You're overthinking it.

No, you're using solipsism which is an amateur way of trying to win by default. Everything we ever do is based on a feeling. We are nothing more than thoughts and feelings. So nothing is real, there's only a feeling that it is.

[monosylab1k]

No one said knives are better killing tools than guns.

Thank you.

[Spurminator]

Different cities until the anti-gun crowd wants to cite results of a gun ban.

It's reasonable and appropriate to use results in both cities to show a trend, particularly when the trend is about a difference in rate vs. raw numbers.


The weapons weren't reversed. They have knives in NY too.

You said "gun related fatalities."

[Expert]

Regardless, the goalposts moved. The original word was "sense". Sense of something and knowledge of something are not the same things. I said I don't carry for a sense of security. It's more a sense of responsibility. The former implies irrational fear, the latter implies being pro-active an self sufficient.

If you think these word differences don't matter to a lawyer, you need to think again.

[Chris]

This is false logic. London and New York are different cities. You don't know what those numbers would be if the weapons were reversed.

Incidentally, both cities have seen their murder rates drastically drop since increased gun legislation was enacted. Chris could have told you this but he's hiding.

See: Roe v. Wade

[Expert]

Thank you.
For what, catching you up?

[monosylab1k]

For what, catching you up?

You know why. Keep it up tho.

[Spurminator]

No, you're using solipsism which is an amateur way of trying to win by default. Everything we ever do is based on a feeling. We are nothing more than thoughts and feelings. So nothing is real, there's only a feeling that it is.

I'm not trying to win anything :lol. You're putting immense effort into distancing yourself from the implication that your gun ownership is based in any way on security, and it's not necessary. There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting to feel secure. The original argument was whether guns objectively increase your security.

[Chris]

Mono: see I told you guns are more powerful than knives!

Expert: no one was arguing otherwise

Mono: Gotheem!

[Spurminator]

See: Roe v. Wade

Roe v. Wade has no authority over London, England.

What has happened to the murder rate in London since 1997, Chris?

[TDMVPDPOY]

carrying a knife around is 2000 fine down here...

[monosylab1k]

:cry you’re just virtue signaling for dead kids :cry

END ABORTION NOW :cry THINK OF THE DEAD KIDS :cry

[Expert]

It's reasonable and appropriate to use results in both cities to show a trend, particularly when the trend is about a difference in rate vs. raw numbers.

How is this different than what I did? 30 deaths, guns or knives = 30 deaths. You have to speculate it would be higher with guns, but there's no data to support that. It wasn't higher when guns were legal. In fact, the year prior to the gun ban, there were 139 murders. It would be 13 years before that annual number ever got that low again, hitting 204 deaths in 2003. Now it's climbing up again with 130 murders last year and on pace to beat that this year. Are these deaths better because they are largely knife related? Were there scores of stray bullets killing innocent civilians prior to the ban of 1996?


You said "gun related fatalities."
Yes. They chose guns.

[Expert]

:cry you’re just virtue signaling for dead kids :cry

END ABORTION NOW :cry THINK OF THE DEAD KIDS :cry

Ever consider how old you are when you act out like that?

[monosylab1k]

Ever consider how old you are when you act out like that?

:lmao the irony

[Expert]

:lmao the irony
That doesn't answer the question. You're no spring chicken yourself.

[monosylab1k]

That doesn't answer the question. You're no spring chicken yourself.

:lmao when i’m your age i sure as fuck won’t be searching for personal information on people on message baords, that’s for damn sure. I’ve already outgrown that shit, you old ass faggot.

[Spurminator]

How is this different than what I did? 30 deaths, guns or knives = 30 deaths.

You are using raw numbers instead of rate to compare two cities, for one, and that's a fundamental statistical error. Further, you are speculating that the murder is a given regardless of the weapon of choice.


You have to speculate it would be higher with guns, but there's no data to support that. It wasn't higher when guns were legal. In fact, the year prior to the gun ban, there were 139 murders. It would be 13 years before that annual number ever got that low again, hitting 204 deaths in 2003. Now it's climbing up again with 130 murders last year and on pace to beat that this year.

1996 was an outlier at 139.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London#/media/File:London_Homicide_1990-2017.png

Furthermore, you're not accounting for population growth (again, this is where raw numbers are flawed). The homicide rate in 1997 was 2.5, and it was consistently in the 2's for years prior except for 1996 (1.9). In 2009, it dropped below 2 and has not gone above that since.

130 murders is a rate of 1.5. That's a significant drop and it has a long way to go to get to pre-1997 numbers.

I'm not saying it's because of the gun ban, necessarily... I'm saying it's silly to argue that the recent homicide wave is a result of the 1997 gun ban, because the data doesn't support that.


Were there scores of stray bullets killing innocent civilians prior to the ban of 1996?

Why would it have to be scores to make a difference? If you really believed that the weapon doesn't matter (which you seem to acknowledge you do above), then the mere risk of a single stray bullet killing someone would be enough to swing the argument in favor of knives.

[spurraider21]

I'm sure your dad would be proud that you are getting rid of a sentimental hand me down for David Hogg.
my desire to have a gun-free home once children are in the picture existed before 2018 tbh



Ask any cop why they carry a gun. See if they talk about sense of security. Since you don't carry and really know nothing of it, you have no idea so you're left to speculate.
why would my not carrying mean i'd have to speculate what a cop's answer to that question would be? don't see how those interact


Does your spare tire give you a sense of security and if so, is that why you have one?
yes, it does. i've had to use spare tires on multiple occasions, so it's justified. i don't know of any safety concerns associated with owning a spare tire... let alone enough safety concerns to outweigh the utility of a spare tire

[Expert]

why would my not carrying mean i'd have to speculate what a cop's answer to that question would be? don't see how those interact

You'd have to speculate why anyone would. You cannot rely on personal experience (which you'd likely dismiss as anecdotal evidence).


yes, it does. i've had to use spare tires on multiple occasions, so it's justified. i don't know of any safety concerns associated with owning a spare tire... let alone enough safety concerns to outweigh the utility of a spare tire
So the reason you have a spare tire is so you'll feel better?

Don't get sidetracked with comparing a gun to a tire where safety is concerned. Stick to the concept of "sense of security" vs "ability to respond". If a sense of security can be false, then it's not the same as ability to respond, as that cannot be. It either is or it isn't. A sense is a sense, justified or not.

[spurraider21]

You'd have to speculate why anyone would. You cannot rely on personal experience (which you'd likely dismiss as anecdotal evidence).

So the reason you have a spare tire is so you'll feel better?

Don't get sidetracked with comparing a gun to a tire where safety is concerned. Stick to the concept of "sense of security" vs "ability to respond". If a sense of security can be false, then it's not the same as ability to respond, as that cannot be. It either is or it isn't. A sense is a sense, justified or not.
the ability/potential to respond is essentially the same as the sense of security. the difference is i've actually used spare tires after a flat/blowout. have you shot somebody in self defense?

[monosylab1k]

I remember that one time my son found my spare tire and accidentally blew his head off with it.

[Expert]

You are using raw numbers instead of rate to compare two cities, for one, and that's a fundamental statistical error. Further, you are speculating that the murder is a given regardless of the weapon of choice.


The populations are similar according to USA Today. It's their report, not mine.


1996 was an outlier at 139.

The 12 years after were outliers too I suppose.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London#/media/File:London_Homicide_1990-2017.png

Furthermore, you're not accounting for population growth (again, this is where raw numbers are flawed). The homicide rate in 1997 was 2.5, and it was consistently in the 2's for years prior except for 1996 (1.9). In 2009, it dropped below 2 and has not gone above that since.

130 murders is a rate of 1.5. That's a significant drop and it has a long way to go to get to pre-1997 numbers.

I'm not saying it's because of the gun ban, necessarily... I'm saying it's silly to argue that the recent homicide wave is a result of the 1997 gun ban, because the data doesn't support that.

It would be silly. That's why I am not making that argument. I am saying the gun ban didn't stop people from killing each other at a high rate. If you take away the guns, they are left with knives. If you take the knives, they'll find another way.


Why would it have to be scores to make a difference? If you really believed that the weapon doesn't matter (which you seem to acknowledge you do above), then the mere risk of a single stray bullet killing someone would be enough to swing the argument in favor of knives.
You're saying after the fact that it matters. After the fact is known (31 deaths vs 32 deaths, knives/guns) one is preferable over the other because of stray bullets? Dead is dead. It doesn't matter which killed them. That's my point. Of course guns are inherently more effecting at killing people than are knives, and if you want to throw in a mass shooter as a fall back for that, go ahead. I've conceded already that fact. However, it's not better that 30 people are dead from knives than having 30 people dead from guns, except in feeling better about it not being guns. There's no real difference. Speculation about stray bullets is just that.

[Expert]

I remember that one time my son found my spare tire and accidentally blew his head off with it.
Was it just above your waistline?

[monosylab1k]

Was it just above your waistline?

:lol

[Expert]

the ability/potential to respond is essentially the same as the sense of security. the difference is i've actually used spare tires after a flat/blowout. have you shot somebody in self defense?

:lol I suppose the military needs to spend more time instilling a sense of security in soldiers instead of arming them and teaching them to kill with high tech weaponry.

So you carry the tire so you can use it, or because it makes you feel better about having it?

If a cop never shot someone in self defense, they are only carrying the gun for a sense of security? Do you recognize the difference between having an ability and having a sense of an ability?

Example: Tony Parker had the ability to drive into the paint and score at will. Tony still has the sense of that ability, but he lacks that ability. If he had the ability, the knowledge of it != sense of it. One infers knowing (evidence) the other infers feeling (no evidence).

[spurraider21]

:lol I suppose the military needs to spend more time instilling a sense of security in soldiers instead of arming them and teaching them to kill with high tech weaponry.

So you carry the tire so you can use it, or because it makes you feel better about having it?

If a cop never shot someone in self defense, they are only carrying the gun for a sense of security? Do you recognize the difference between having an ability and having a sense of an ability?

Example: Tony Parker had the ability to drive into the paint and score at will. Tony still has the sense of that ability, but he lacks that ability. If he had the ability, the knowledge of it != sense of it. One infers knowing (evidence) the other infers feeling (no evidence).
given that guns are more likely to accidentally injure the owner/family of the owner than to be used in self defense, i will stand by my comment that they deliver a sense of security far more than they deliver security

the ability is largely just hypothetical

[boutons_deux]

given that guns are more likely to accidentally injure the owner/family of the owner than to be used in self defense, i will stand by my comment that they deliver a sense of security far more than they deliver security

the ability is largely just hypothetical

and the actual, actuarial security of a gun-owning household is reduced due to the presence of gun(s) (avg gun fellator owns 9 guns).

That's why Repugs block doctors, ostensibly concerned with health of patient and its household, from asking if there are guns in the house.

[Expert]

given that guns are more likely to accidentally injure the owner/family of the owner than to be used in self defense, i will stand by my comment that they deliver a sense of security far more than they deliver security

the ability is largely just hypothetical

Guns aren't more likely to do anything. Their owners are more likely.

Stats can say what you want depending on your study group selection. The NBA league average for 3pt% is just above 36%. Fortunately for teams, the league average doesn't factor in to how well they are shooting. The same is true for gun safety.

Hypothetical?

I cannot believe you own a gun, knowing that you could die at any moment if the gun goes off the reservation.

[Expert]

and the actual, actuarial security of a gun-owning household is reduced due to the presence of gun(s) (avg gun fellator owns 9 guns).

That's why Repugs block doctors, ostensibly concerned with health of patient and its household, from asking if there are guns in the house.
It's not the doctor's business if you own a firearm. Can they ask if you drive a car, what type of car, how fast do you drive, etc...?

Their job isn't to guard your well being. It's to provide medical care if you need it.

[monosylab1k]

Guns aren't more likely to do anything. Their owners are more likely.


:lmao still using that age old semantics argument.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgSOCYhwLJ8

[spurraider21]

:lmao still using that age old semantics argument.
yeah, i didnt think that was worth addressing tbh :lol

[Chris]

:lmao still using that age old semantics argument.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgSOCYhwLJ8

That's not semantics :lmao

[DMC]

yeah, i didnt think that was worth addressing tbh :lol

No, you tried to change my words when that didn't work for you, you just decided you were right by default.

[DMC]

:lmao still using that age old semantics argument.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgSOCYhwLJ8

Actually the semantics argument is happening from your side. I've never seen a gun go to trial. The anti-gun crowd uses that semantics argument to argue against guns because they lose when they argue against people. People have second amendment rights, guns don't.

[spurraider21]

No, you tried to change my words when that didn't work for you, you just decided you were right by default.
i didnt change your words. i just didn't see a meaningful difference between having the ability to respond to a crisis and knowing you can respond to a crisis.

[DMC]

i didnt change your words. i just didn't see a meaningful difference between having the ability to respond to a crisis and knowing you can respond to a crisis.

So you changed my words because strawmen are easy.

Sense != knowing. You did it again.

[spurraider21]

So you changed my words because strawmen are easy.
no. i dont see a meaningful difference between the ability to respond to a crisis and the sense of security... knowing you can respond to the crisis. especially in the context of this discussion

[Spurminator]

Actually the semantics argument is happening from your side. I've never seen a gun go to trial. The anti-gun crowd uses that semantics argument to argue against guns because they lose when they argue against people. People have second amendment rights, guns don't.

That's not what a semantics argument is :lol

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk

[DMC]

That's not what a semantics argument is :lol

I'm not the one making the argument. I stated my case.

1. If sense of security is the same as ability to respond how can sense of security be false when ability to respond cannot be?

2. If they are the same why must your side continue to you say sense of security instead of ability to respond? Why do you draw a distinction?

Remember, I told you why I carry a gun then the disagreement started as words were altered to try to create some leg to stand on for your side. Yes it's your side because here you are defending it.

If it's so silly, stop changing my words. It's pretty simple.

[DMC]

no. i dont see a meaningful difference between the ability to respond to a crisis and the sense of security... knowing you can respond to the crisis. especially in the context of this discussion

Which one of those equals a false sense of security?

[DMC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk
You're so edgy

[DMX7]

It's not such a leap when you consider the logic to ban the AR-15 is so weak and can be applied to numerous things. Furthermore, many are becoming self hating American's that look to countries banning knifes and locking up owners of nazi dogs as the blueprint to what our country should be.

The logic is not weak. It seems to be a weapon of choice for some of the most effective mass murderers -- and I'm sure there's good reason for that.

[spurraider21]

lets arm our cops and soldiers with knives and alcohol instead of guns. just as deadly according to nathan

[ElNono]

lets arm our cops and soldiers with knives and alcohol instead of guns. just as deadly according to nathan

swimming pools, IMO

[ElNono]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7025/6811799911_7a0e709050_b.jpg

Ready for action, tbh #BlueLivesMatter

[DMC]

lets arm our cops and soldiers with knives and alcohol instead of guns. just as deadly according to nathan

Let's instill in them a sense of security. It's indistinguishable from giving them the ability to defend the nation according to you.

"****NORAD ALERT....THIS IS NOT A DRILL....SENSES OF SECURITY HAVE BEEN DETECTED FLYING OVER ALASKA WITH TRAJECTORIES TOWARD MAINLAND US..."

[spurraider21]

Let's instill in them a sense of security. It's indistinguishable from giving them the ability to defend the nation according to you.

"****NORAD ALERT....THIS IS NOT A DRILL....SENSES OF SECURITY HAVE BEEN DETECTED FLYING OVER ALASKA WITH TRAJECTORIES TOWARD MAINLAND US..."


no. i dont see a meaningful difference between the ability to respond to a crisis and the sense of security... knowing you can respond to the crisis. especially in the context of this discussion

[Chris]

London's murder rate was low even before the hand gun ban of 1997. Only since there has been an influx of a certain type of 'migrant' (jihadi) have we seen such extraordinary numbers on par with the great New York City.

[DMC]

Gun ownership gives people a false sense of security. Statistically more likely to accidentally injure yourself or a family member than be used in self defense


Police protection gives people a false sense of security since you're more likely to be arrested and jailed or killed by an assailant than having a cop come to your rescue in time to save you.

Carrying a gun isn't about having a sense of security. It's about having the ability to respond under crisis situation if one ever developed. You might still not respond, you might not respond properly, but you have the ability to do so.

It's always the non-gun crowd who thinks having a gun is to invoke a feeling.


:lol its not about sense of security, it’s about knowing you can respond to a crisis :lol


I own a gun tbh. Didn’t spend money on one, my dad handed it down. Though will probably get rid of it when my family size grows beyond 2





no. i dont see a meaningful difference between the ability to respond to a crisis and the sense of security... knowing you can respond to the crisis. especially in the context of this discussion
This is Philo creating a strawman and then arguing against it.

The new argument Philo has created is that "knowing you can respond" = "sense of security" yet in his opening statement he called it a "false sense of security" . He first used the term "knowing you can respond" and credited it to me, then later acted as if it's the same as "sense of security", yet both are equal to "ability to respond".

He's refused to answer how a false sense of security can equal the ability to respond.

Philo likes to pretend he stay in the high ground middle but he dumpster dives just like the rest when cornered.

[spurraider21]

This isn’t an interesting discussion tbh. Constantly trip over semantics stead of taking the discussion anywhere remotely worthwhile

people think the guns keep them safe (sense of security) but it’s more likely to hurt them than protect them ergo false sense of security

instead of just disagreeing, dmc decides to break it down letter by letter and meticulously argue stupid shit

[Spurminator]

:lol semantics

[AaronY]

Okay maybe this whole thing is pretty stupid though

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DadEr32UwAAZr8B?format=jpg

[AaronY]

Plz make it stop someone

983699621150121986

[Blake]

London's murder rate was low even before the hand gun ban of 1997. Only since there has been an influx of a certain type of 'migrant' (jihadi) have we seen such extraordinary numbers on par with the great New York City.

Do you have a solution or are you just here to fret some more?

[Spurminator]

Plz make it stop someone

983699621150121986

:lol I thought this was a parody account. So dumb.

[Chris]

Do you have a solution or are you just here to fret some more?

Who's fretting? You? Facts don't care about your feelings buttercup.

[Blake]

Who's fretting? You? Facts don't care about your feelings buttercup.

You. You're fretting all over the forum about the Muslims. Do you know what the word "fret" means?

[Chris]

You. You're fretting all over the forum about the Muslims. Do you know what the word "fret" means?

For some reason Islam conflicts with your programming. You might want to work on that snowflake.

[DMC]

This isn’t an interesting discussion tbh. Constantly trip over semantics stead of taking the discussion anywhere remotely worthwhile

people think the guns keep them safe (sense of security) but it’s more likely to hurt them than protect them ergo false sense of security

instead of just disagreeing, dmc decides to break it down letter by letter and meticulously argue stupid shit

You changed the words to fit your narrative. You made it uninteresting.

I gave you my stance. You decided to try your troll kung fu but you are weak.

[Blake]

You changed the words to fit your narrative. You made it uninteresting.

I gave you my stance. You decided to try your troll kung fu but you are weak.

You put in a lot of work for a narrative you found uninteresting

[DMC]

You put in a lot of work for a narrative you found uninteresting

Learn to read

[Blake]

Learn to read

Neh, I find your takes uninteresting

[DMC]

Neh, I find your takes uninteresting

Then shut your suck, cuck.

[AaronY]

excellent debate

[Blake]

Then shut your suck, cuck.

Neh.

[SnakeBoy]

At least 3 dead after knife attack on Arkansas police officer, authorities say
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/10/17/arkansas-police-knife-attack-suspect-deaths/8501614002/

It's getting bad out there

Thoughts and Prayers

[spurraider21]

good thing he didnt have a gun tbh. could have killed well over 3 people

[monosylab1k]

good thing he didnt have a gun tbh. could have killed well over 3 people

No, because then Good Guy With A Gun would show up.

[spurraider21]

No, because then Good Guy With A Gun would show up.
if only there was the good guy with a katana in this case.

[Ef-man]

Glad this guy could not get a gun but why was he let out? Does he vote republican?

A Florida man who spent 25 years behind bars for second-degree murder before being released last year has been accused of stabbing a single mother to death with a screwdriver.

Eric Pierson, 54, has been charged with the first-degree murder of 33-year-old Erika Verdecia, who was found dead in a Davie canal Saturday morning, three weeks after she was reported missing.

In 1995, Pierson was convicted of the second-degree murder of 17-year-old Kristina Whitaker, who was found beaten and strangled under debris at a construction site in Davie. He was sentenced to 40 years in prison and released on Sept. 3, 2020.

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[Millennial_Messiah]

I didn't realize just how blue-pilled elnono and spurraider21 amongst others have been for such a long time until reading this thread. Holy shit :wow

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/police-identify-food-delivery-driver-killed-by-parking-attendant

AUSTIN, Texas - The Austin Police Department (APD) has identified the food delivery driver killed by a parking attendant in South Austin as 52-year-old Lucifer Devil Divinitas.

Divinitas was stabbed by the parking attendant during a dispute over a parking spot near Phoebe's Diner over the past weekend. He later died from his injuries.

[spurraider21]

advocates of gun control always say that its literally impossible to hurt people without guns

[Blake]

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/police-identify-food-delivery-driver-killed-by-parking-attendant

AUSTIN, Texas - The Austin Police Department (APD) has identified the food delivery driver killed by a parking attendant in South Austin as 52-year-old Lucifer Devil Divinitas.

Divinitas was stabbed by the parking attendant during a dispute over a parking spot near Phoebe's Diner over the past weekend. He later died from his injuries.

A 52 year old parking attendant named Lucifer Devil?

[SnakeBoy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDXCeR2XsAUxXeR?format=jpg&name=medium

[pgardn]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDXCeR2XsAUxXeR?format=jpg&name=medium

Then...

"Id rather have a knife aimed at me."

And for self defense of course.

[Blake]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDXCeR2XsAUxXeR?format=jpg&name=medium

Was it a semi automatic knife?

[pgardn]

Was it a semi automatic knife?

I would purchase the fully automatic "jackhammer knife".
Easily carried, at only 70 lbs, its the perfect killing machine.

[SnakeBoy]

Terrified man woken by long lost brother repeatedly STABBING him after not seeing sibling for 24 years
https://www.the-sun.com/news/4013157/man-woken-long-lost-brother-repeatedly-stabbing/

“After 24 years, Martin didn’t recognise his attacker and cried out: ‘Who are you? What do you want?’.

“Ivo replied: ‘I’m your brother — don’t you recognise me?’”

[DMC]

I would purchase the fully automatic "jackhammer knife".
Easily carried, at only 70 lbs, its the perfect killing machine.

Bend over, I'll show you the fuckin' jackhammer knife killing machine.

[pgardn]

Bend over, I'll show you the fuckin' jackhammer knife killing machine.

Why are you continually sniffing around ass.
Go ask Playblair for a date.

[SnakeBoy]

DeSantis Says Stabbing Death by Man From Mexico Shows 'Inadequate Vetting' of Migrants
https://www.newsweek.com/desantis-says-stabbing-death-man-mexico-shows-inadequate-vetting-migrants-1646617

[Blake]

DeSantis Says Stabbing Death by Man From Mexico Shows 'Inadequate Vetting' of Migrants
https://www.newsweek.com/desantis-says-stabbing-death-man-mexico-shows-inadequate-vetting-migrants-1646617

Poor Snake boy trying to get even a nibble and coming up empty