What offseason moves do the Spurs need to make to actually be competitive next year?

[Walter Donovan]

If they don’t get their act together, they’ll be moving to Seattle in a couple o’ years. You heard it here first.

[Mr. Body]

Get Kawhi back and playing. Done.

[Big Empty]

Need a sg that can hit 3’s, dribble, create, drive to the basket, place D. Just a good all around shooting guard. Would be a huge help for Kawhi & LA. Danny Green needs to go

[Thomas82]

We need a game-changing 7-footer......a real rim protector.

[MoSpur02]

Trade Kawhi for an up and coming All Star or Superstar (although not sure if that's out there), and a lottery pick. Try to sign LeBron or other player that can score. Try to get rid of Gasol and Mills' contracts. Sign an athletic big who can defend.

[barbacoataco]

Better fans that appreciate success and the longest playoff streak in modern sports.

[baseline bum]

Trade Kawhi for an up and coming All Star or Superstar (although not sure if that's out there), and a lottery pick.

So Ben Simmons and the Lakers pick that Philly is holding?


Try to sign LeBron.

While we're there might as well bring 2003 Duncan back too.

[Spurs9]

So Ben Simmons and the Lakers pick that Philly is holding?



While we're there might as well bring 2003 Duncan back too.

Done

[BackHome]

This summer could be the craziest summer ever for a Spurs fan. With all the Kawhi drama and the strong possibility of loosing Green and Manu retiring Spurs may be forced to make drastic changes.

1. Release Paul, Forbes, Joffrey
2. Try to keep Green if we can’t bring over Hanga
3. Sign Nikola to replace Joffrey
4. If Manu retires can use White, Hanga, and maybe Hillard
5. Keep either Anderson or Bertans?
6. If Kawhi is traded then who knows which way will go.
7. Try to trade Mills.

[SpurPadre]

Just get NBA-caliber players not G-league bums, tbh.

[bklynspursfan]

Get Kawhi back and playing. Done.

+1

[bklynspursfan]

Need a sg that can hit 3’s, dribble, create, drive to the basket, place D. Just a good all around shooting guard. Would be a huge help for Kawhi & LA. Danny Green needs to go

Green has been doing all of those lol Not much of a creator, but his driving and finishing has improved a ton this year

[keithington1]

Keep Anderson, Gay, Green (maybe Bertans)
Bye BP3 Bye Forbes
Trade one of Mills, Gasol
(if u trade mills draft a shooter vice versa)
Keep at least 1 of Parker, Manu for leadership (veteran minimum)
Promote White to Manu's role
Bring over Militunov
See if u can somehow sign Aaron Gordon or Jabari Parker
Sign one more shooter

[Brazil]

You heard it first... smh

[spurraider21]

i think danny's gone, provided he opts out. not sure what his value is to the spurs right now... but if he's looking for something comparable to the 4/40 we have him a few years ago, he's not worth it. he hasn't shot above 38% from 3 since the 14-15 season.

his defensive metrics are still quite good... but he was still an offensive plus when he was a sharpshooter for a team that thrived on pick and rolls. as a mediocre shooter on a team that generates looks from the post (be it lamarcus or kawhi, when healthy), he bogs the offense down.

but if we lose both kyle and green in the same offseason, thats losing 2 very good defensive players

[raybies]

i think danny's gone, provided he opts out. not sure what his value is to the spurs right now... but if he's looking for something comparable to the 4/40 we have him a few years ago, he's not worth it. he hasn't shot above 38% from 3 since the 14-15 season.

his defensive metrics are still quite good... but he was still an offensive plus when he was a sharpshooter for a team that thrived on pick and rolls. as a mediocre shooter on a team that generates looks from the post (be it lamarcus or kawhi, when healthy), he bogs the offense down.

but if we lose both kyle and green in the same offseason, thats losing 2 very good defensive players

What you dont like Danny Green fadaways with the shot clock expiring?

[spurraider21]

What you dont like Danny Green fadaways with the shot clock expiring?
i think his 3pt% is in the teens when he does literally anything between catching and shooting

[raybies]

I kinda miss when he accepted himself as a specialist. He doin too much now.

[sananspursfan21]

Sign KCP and get a skinny young 7 footer to teach to block shots. Oh, and keep that Kawhi kid. Could be something special someday.

[SpursDynasty85]

Depending on health and relationship, trade Kawhi
Trade Mills AND Gasol.
Get more athletic guards
Sign Anderson and Green to prudent contracts
Replace Gasol with free agents
Sign Gay to a friendly extension
Let Parker retire
Convince Ginobili to stay on as player and Patty Mills tower waver replacement with intention of signing him as an assistant coach the year after.

[Brunodf]

Get rid of Anderson/Green/Gasol/Forbes and find actual good players

[spurraider21]

Get rid of Anderson/Green/Gasol/Forbes and find actual good players
i dont see a scenario where we're able to dump gasol. its the same thing with all the "trade parker's contract" stuff we'd been hearing the past couple seasons. nobody is taking that on. if both anderson and green leave, we're still going to be cash-strapped and wont be able to pay much for a replacement wing player.

[TimDunkem]

This summer could be the craziest summer ever for a Spurs fan. With all the Kawhi drama and the strong possibility of loosing Green and Manu retiring Spurs may be forced to make drastic changes.

1. Release Paul, Forbes, Joffrey
2. Try to keep Green if we can’t bring over Hanga
3. Sign Nikola to replace Joffrey
4. If Manu retires can use White, Hanga, and maybe Hillard
5. Keep either Anderson or Bertans?
6. If Kawhi is traded then who knows which way will go.
7. Try to trade Mills.

Stop mentioning Hanga. He's old already and sucks ass.

[TimDunkem]

Upgrade at the 2, upgrade at center, get rid of bums like Forbes/Joff/Paul and replace them with actual players with potential, stop playing mummies out of loyalty, try to move Mills/Gasol, get Kawhi back.

[tbdog]

Realistic, small ideas would be. If Spurs are going with Murray as PG going forward, which is a worthy gamble, then we really need to upgrade the SG position who is a good shooter and scorer and not a liability on D. Someone like Wil Barton or Wes Matthews or Joe Harris for cheap. I also want to replace Mills for a cheaper and almost as good option like Seth Curry so I can upgrade that SG position.

I would want to re-up Anderson on a long term but cheap deal. Like a 4 year 30-40mil. I would want a decent size big for cheap. Baynes, Noel, Len. I wouldn't mind having Bertans back as long as he gets paid as a 12th man.

Of course, getting something for Gasol who just cannot play against small ball would be divine. Just don't see it though.

[tbdog]

Keep Anderson, Gay, Green (maybe Bertans)
Bye BP3 Bye Forbes
Trade one of Mills, Gasol
(if u trade mills draft a shooter vice versa)
Keep at least 1 of Parker, Manu for leadership (veteran minimum)
Promote White to Manu's role
Bring over Militunov
See if u can somehow sign Aaron Gordon or Jabari Parker
Sign one more shooter

Aaron Gordon and Leonard would just be sick. I would love to see it happen. To get him would require losing Murray and much more. And probably have to take on Bimbo's contract on top of it. RFA are hard to get.

[spurraider21]

Stop mentioning Hanga. He's old already and sucks ass.
yeah, i had given up on hanga when a few years ago he basically declined to come to the nba, saying he wasn't ready.

but right now he's 27 and last month stated pretty deliberately that it his is intention to play in the nba next season. wonder how serious he is about that, or what the buyout requirements are going to be.

edit: disregard... outdated article, wrong info

[DPG21920]

As others have mentioned, getting Kawhi healthy and extended is the only thing that matters. If they do that, they have a great chance to be a top 3 team. If they can do that and move on from TP/Manu and Murray/White/Kyle can keep developing they should be good.

[TimDunkem]

yeah, i had given up on hanga when a few years ago he basically declined to come to the nba, saying he wasn't ready.

but right now he's 27 and last month stated pretty deliberately that it his is intention to play in the nba next season. wonder how serious he is about that, or what the buyout requirements are going to be.

He actually turns 29 in a few days if his Wiki is correct. He will be 30 by this time next year, and 31 by the time Pop would consider giving him meaningful minutes.

And this is a guy who isn't exactly lighting it up overseas right now. He would be a clear downgrade even from Danny Green with how he looks at the moment. I don't know what PATFO is thinking, but I think it's time to move on from him, imo. Just add him to the list of Euro Spurs picks who never amounted to anything in the NBA.

[spurraider21]

He actually turns 29 in a few days if his Wiki is correct. He will be 30 by this time next year, and 31 by the time Pop would consider giving him meaningful minutes.

And this is a guy who isn't exactly lighting it up overseas right now. He would be a clear downgrade even from Danny Green with how he looks at the moment. I don't know what PATFO is thinking, but I think it's time to move on from him, imo. Just add him to the list of Euro Spurs picks who never amounted to anything in the NBA.
you're right on the age. my bad

and the article i was reading was a year old, not a month old

:lol me

[r0drig0lac]

getting Kawhi healthy and extended is the only thing that matters.

[TimDunkem]

Yes. Kawhi is the one move that needs to happen if the Spurs want to be competitive.

If they seek to be the favorites then more moves are needed, obviously.

[DPG21920]

Yes. Kawhi is the one move that needs to happen if the Spurs want to be competitive.

If they seek to be the favorites then more moves are needed, obviously.

There is nothing that can really happen to make SA the favorites with HOU/GS currently constructed.

[TimDunkem]

There is nothing that can really happen to make SA the favorites with HOU/GS currently constructed.

Maybe not in the eyes of the media who are in love with those teams sure. Still, Kawhi is so good that, if surrounded with better pieces in positions of need, there's no doubt in my mind that they would be the best team in the NBA.

A little off-topic, but I love how just about everyone has changed their stance on Houston. Remember when everyone here said they wouldn't work it out with CP3? Just goes to show how quickly things can change in the NBA. "Nothing can happen" my ass.

[r0drig0lac]

There is nothing that can really happen to make SA the favorites with HOU/GS currently constructed.

Lebron / Kawhi / Aldridge would be favorite to title imo

[DPG21920]

I am giving you all the benefit of the doubt that we are using reasonable assumptions. Going from Kawhi not playing the whole season to SA singing Bron and Kawhi is not reasonable to me. Of course that would vault them to “favorites” status but no one is jumping completely over GS unless something ridiculous happens.

I’m talking about likely scenarios here and if something unlikely happens we can talk about it then.

Also, when I say “won’t become favorites” that doesn’t mean they cant win a title. It just means with what HOU/GS have looked like and their talent level, on paper no one can really become favorites.

[TimDunkem]

I am giving you all the benefit of the doubt that we are using reasonable assumptions. Going from Kawhi not playing the whole season to SA singing Bron and Kawhi is not reasonable to me. Of course that would vault them to “favorites” status but no one is jumping completely over GS unless something ridiculous happens.

I’m talking about likely scenarios here and if something unlikely happens we can talk about it then.

Making a few upgrades here and there, and having good showings against the best teams next season, possibly making them the favorites once that happens, is unlikely?

Okay. Gotcha.

[DPG21920]

We are just on different wavelengths

[r0drig0lac]

We are just on different wavelengths
I understand, though I believe there are "realistic moves" that could be made to bring the team closer to the top level, but I do not think Pop would make aggressive moves on the market

[DPG21920]

I understand, though I believe there are "realistic moves" that could be made to bring the team closer to the top level, but I do not think Pop would make aggressive moves on the market

I think the Spurs were there already last year. Meaning, they could win it all if things broke right, but they would not be a favorite in Vegas going into a series.

There are definitley some moves they can make to bolster the roster and close the gap, but to the point where everyone says “Move over Warriors, the new Spurs dynasty is here!”? That falls into the improbable category.

[TimDunkem]

Imo, it's just bullshit to say "nothing can happen". This is the NBA, and anything can happen. We could be talking about a Spurs team that dominated those two teams and have suddenly catapulted themselves to favorites by many this time next year.

Unlikely? Yeah. Probably, given how shit PATFO has been along with Kawhi's situation being up in the air. To imply it could never happen though is nonsensical.

[DPG21920]

Ok, go through the exercise then. What could the Spurs do in your mind if things broke perfect to Vegas Favorit Jump: Curry, KD, Klay & Draymond?

[SpursDynasty85]

I understand, though I believe there are "realistic moves" that could be made to bring the team closer to the top level, but I do not think Pop would make aggressive moves on the market

Aggressive moves like trading for Jefferson, then Kawhi, then Stephen Jackson? Signing Gasol and Aldridge?

Pop is not a trailblazer but he is definitely willing to shake things up. This is obviously the year to do it especially if Kawhi is unhappy or unhealthy.

[TimDunkem]

Upgrade, stay healthy, and beat the best teams handidly. That's all they could do. If the Warriors suffer more injuries then the odds of being considered favorites go up exponentially.

Unlikely? Sure. Could never happen? Bullshit.

[DPG21920]

Ugh.

[spurraider21]

even if the spurs renounce all their cap holds, we're still looking at next to no cap space unelss green/gay opt out. pau/patty collectively absorbing 30 mil per year is disgusting.

parker's bad deal is set to expire and now we basically have 2 similar caliber deals for the next few years

[Keepin' it real]

Move to the Eastern conference.

[dbestpro]

Sign James. James is the one player who could get into Leonard's head and get him on the court.

[ElNono]

1) They need to convince Manu to play for another season
2) Sort out the thing with Kawhi

In that order...

[SpursDynasty85]

Sign James. James is the one player who could get into Leonard's head and get him on the court.

That would be so awesome. It would be a change of pace for the Spurs to aggressively pursue someone like Lebron but the whole city and the mayor would have to throw a campaign at him for that. Would be legit MJ and Scottie combo with Kawhi as MJ!

[mo7888]

Sign LeBron if you can. If you can't, let green walk, trade patty for cap space, resign Kyle and davis if reasonable, sign Mario Hezonja if reasonable, let Forbes, joffrey, Paul walk, keep gay if reasonable.... if you can move Gasol do it
Decide if we are keeping kawhi or trading him and do it by the draft.

[vander]

Green has been doing all of those lol Not much of a creator, but his driving and finishing has improved a ton this year

his 3pt.% is league average, his FG% is atrocious, his points per shot is worst on the team, he's 30, his defense is in decline.

[noles1983]

Just get rid of Patty Mills and Gasol, zero fucks given about their chances of winning. I'm just sick of those useless fucks, this roster has JV level talent. Need a complete purge.

[HarlemHeat37]

Literally impossible to make a plan without knowing where Kawhi ends up..also need to figure out whether Green and Gay are going to opt out..Spurs should pray that Danny opts out, right now..

The only 100% requirement is getting a dynamic, playmaking guard..Murray can't create and neither can Mills..maybe it's White, but regardless, they'll need another..

[vander]

Literally impossible to make a plan without knowing where Kawhi ends up..also need to figure out whether Green and Gay are going to opt out..Spurs should pray that Danny opts out, right now..

The only 100% requirement is getting a dynamic, playmaking guard..Murray can't create and neither can Mills..maybe it's White, but regardless, they'll need another..

If Kawhi comes back, we'll have 3 ball-dominant ISO players, so don't really need a playmaking guard that badly, just a guy who can hit the 3, and can also get to the rim after the pump faking the 3.