Yahoo Sports calls out PATFO

[SuperCam]

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For all the justified credit that the Spurs’ “system” gets for the organization’s sustained excellence, that’s all gobbledygook without elite talent. The Spurs have always sought to maintain an edge by being ahead of the NBA’s trends. But when the rest of the league caught up with them in mining talent overseas, embracing the “pace and space” beautiful game, resting stars to prolong their careers and extend their primes, and relying on player development staffs to improve from within, the Spurs became more like everyone else. Never was that clearer than in the summer of 2015, when LaMarcus Aldridge became the first in-his-prime, All-Star free agent to pick San Antonio.


To win in the NBA, stockpiling talent is a must. Super-teams are rarely built organically anymore; even Golden State, which became a power with three homegrowns, added an outside MVP to become a juggernaut. The Spurs didn’t have the advantage of amassing top talent through the draft because the downside of their Duncan-fueled success was picking in the late 20s every year. And, after trading George Hill for Leonard on draft night in 2011, the team has mostly whiffed on back-of-the-draft prospects. They also were too loyal to ever trade pillars of their franchise, such as Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker.


:wow



Media realizing it was all Tim, tbh

[K...]

5 titles more than the Timberwolves, Suns, Utah, I mean it's hard to stay ahead in a copy cat league but they've always been forward thinking to an extent. But yeah, most of it was Tim

[FkLA]

Too loyal to trade Manu? WTF is that faggot talking about. At no point did it make sense to trade him. Tony is a different story.

[Chinook]

:lol "Gobbleeygook", when it's literally better than a Minny team with three max guys.

What a shit article and shit thread. Makes me feel bad for critiquing Pop and RC

[TheGreatYacht]

:wow

Where would we be without Tim duncan and Sam Presti (the real mastermind and the genius who discovered Parker)?

[TheGreatYacht]

Too loyal to trade Manu? WTF is that faggot talking about. At no point did it make sense to trade him. Tony is a different story.
Manu type players are dime a dozen. Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford, Eric Gordon, etc

Tony Parker is a Top 5 PG of all time. Never forget that son

[SuperCam]

:wow

Where would we be without Tim duncan and Sam Presti (the real mastermind and the genius who discovered Parker)?

Tim would have won titles in Orlando while Spur would be in New Orleans or Seattle.

[Clipper Nation]

Manu players are dime a dozen. Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford, Eric Gordon, etc

Tony Parker is a Top 5 PG of all time. Never forget that son

:lmao I don't know which take is shittier: Porker being a top 5 PG of all time, or comparing Manu to one of the worst playoff performers in history, Jamal Crawford.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao I don't know which take is shittier: Porker being a top 5 PG of all time, or comparing Manu to one of the worst playoff performers in history, Jamal Crawford.
All the top posters agree. http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272591

At the end of the day: Manure is responsible for Tim having 3 less rings on his hands

[cd98]

Manu type players are dime a dozen. Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford, Eric Gordon, etc

Tony Parker is a Top 5 PG of all time. Never forget that son

Tony and Manu are great players and shouldn't have been traded. I'm willing to take that hit unlike Danny Ainge did with the Celtics. That said, we can't sign Tony to a loyalty contract this summer.

[FvckMavs]

This Michael Lee guy said Spurs should trade Kawhi to the Fakers. Most likely another hired gun of uncle daniel.

[phxspurfan]

Random sports writer nerds bashing on the of the best run franchises in sports history for clicks. I wonder what any of these couch potato nerds ever did to start or run any business franchise.

[cjw]

Maybe franchises like the Spurs succeed because they reward loyalty and DON’T trade HOFers. This writer is a clown. There’s a reason he writes for Yahoo.

[rjv]

op-ed makes it seem so easy to duplicate and yet hardly anyone has duplicated.

[DPG21920]

The only part I took umbrage with was the Zaza reference. He’s basically saying SA pushed Kawhi to play against his best interest and that directly led to Zaza being able to deliver the “knockout blow”.

What? First of all, SA sat Kawhi in a MUST WIN PLAYOFF game vs Houston the round before so that doesn’t make sense. Also, almost all players play unless its a terrible injury in the playoffs. How on Earth could you imply that SA didn’t protect Kawhi by letting him play vs GS (after they already sat him before in a playoff game just a week before) and then say that setup Kawhi for a bad injury?

Ridiculous

[cd98]

Writer misses Spurs new angle to get free agents. Pop going outspoken liberal views and social conscious on racism. You think a guy with Matt Bonner on the roster for years believes in race theory? No, but he'll do it to recruit free agents. Steve Kerr is doing it as well. Other coaches are behind the ball.

[NASpurs]

:wow When are the PATFO dick suckers from the Express News going to write articles like this? Must be difficult to look at the computer screen and write a Spurs fluff piece with Pop's jizz in your eyes.

[Dingle Barry]

The only part I took umbrage with was the Zaza reference. He’s basically saying SA pushed Kawhi to play against his best interest and that directly led to Zaza being able to deliver the “knockout blow”.

What? First of all, SA sat Kawhi in a MUST WIN PLAYOFF game vs Houston the round before so that doesn’t make sense. Also, almost all players play unless its a terrible injury in the playoffs. How on Earth could you imply that SA didn’t protect Kawhi by letting him play vs GS (after they already sat him before in a playoff game just a week before) and then say that setup Kawhi for a bad injury?

Ridiculous

Yeah, that's fucking retarded.

[TDomination]

We've won for 20 years with minimal headlines. Only the obligatory ones where you have to talk about us because we won the title.

But now that we have a crap season (by our standards) and with the kawhi drama we have been in the headlines more than i can remember. At least it feels that way.

[Brazil]

:lol I'm all for calling out PATFO but this article is quite atrocious

[Chinook]

:lol I'm all for calling out PATFO but this article is quite atrocious

I'm telling you. Reading this article makes me feel like a conservative looking over the Tea Party platform for the first time.

[apalisoc_9]

Yahoo sports :tu

[Brazil]

I'm telling you. Reading this article makes me feel like a conservative looking over the Tea Party platform for the first time.

:lol

[daslicer]

The only part I took umbrage with was the Zaza reference. He’s basically saying SA pushed Kawhi to play against his best interest and that directly led to Zaza being able to deliver the “knockout blow”.

What? First of all, SA sat Kawhi in a MUST WIN PLAYOFF game vs Houston the round before so that doesn’t make sense. Also, almost all players play unless its a terrible injury in the playoffs. How on Earth could you imply that SA didn’t protect Kawhi by letting him play vs GS (after they already sat him before in a playoff game just a week before) and then say that setup Kawhi for a bad injury?

Ridiculous

To me it seems like a bs justification his Uncle came up with for Kawhi's discord with the Spurs. I remember way back in the '05 playoffs when Duncan rolled his ankle against the Sonics in game 6 and him playing the rest of the game with the sprained ankle. After that game Pop said that he played Duncan because Duncan would have him assassinated if he had sat out for that whole entire game. I don't believe the Spurs would have forced Kawhi to play if he didn't feel he could play.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Yahoo :lol

[tholdren]

:lol "Gobbleeygook", when it's literally better than a Minny team with three max guys.

What a shit article and shit thread. Makes me feel bad for critiquing Pop and RC

Lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Yahoo sports :tu

[apalisoc_9]

Patfo fulffers are disgusting

[spursmvp]

Which back of the draft prospects did we wiff on? DJ is a pretty good steal tbh.

[itzsoweezee]

They won a title in 2014 and went to the conference finals last year. What a load of horseshit.

[FireMicoHalili]

1. No new gimmick from Pop this year with regard to coaching. Among his recent brilliant ideas were shifting from team ball to iso for Kawhi, settling for midrange jumpers to accommodate Aldridge, and starting two bigs in the pace and space era.
2. They’re right, after 2011 there really wasn’t anyone solid. We’ve gotten solid bench pieces which is good value for 29 but it doesn’t solve the problem of being a small market team and failing to recruit stars.

Year in and year out, we see SA fail at recruiting bigger names and they end up settling for decent value players who play better than their contracts. Prior to the Superteam era that would’ve been great, but winning another championship requires more than loyalty contracts. I keep remembering the missed chances in the 2007-2013 seasons because PATFO was bent on saving dollars or signing washed out veterans (Stoudamire, Kurt Thomas, Finley, etc.). I always posited (to myself, at least) the Spurs could have invested in a nice young player to take over the reins to sustain momentum. It came in 2011 but it might have been a bit too late. Wasted Duncan’s prime either because of penny-pinching or SA just isn’t a top FA destination. I guess it’s the latter and it’s a problem too difficult to solve.

Another point however is we haven’t seen this roster at full strength in almost a year. Whew.

[xtremesteven33]

Kawhi ain't comin back until Parker and Ginobili are gone.

[Russ]

Year in and year out, we see SA fail at recruiting bigger names and they end up settling for decent value players who play better than their contracts.

Just out of curiosity, who are these teams getting "the bigger names" to join them?

Of the 30 NBA teams, how many have signed a bigger FA than LMA in the last five years?

[FireMicoHalili]

Just out of curiosity, who are these teams getting "the bigger names" to join them?

Of the 30 NBA teams, how many have signed a bigger FA than LMA in the last five years?
Correct me if I’m wrong but the Spurs tried to get Chris Paul through FA, Kyrie through trade, none of which panned out.

2017
Hayward to Boston
Millsap to Nuggets

2016
Durant to GS
Horford to BOS

2015
Monroe to MIL

Of all these players, arguably only Durant is better than LMA. If your point is that SA does not have a hard time attracting huge names, take note Aldridge heavily considered SA not only because of the talent but because it’s closer to home.

Bigger cities always have leverage over the smaller markets, except for the Lakers who are understandably being refused for good reason.

[Seventyniner]

Just out of curiosity, who are these teams getting "the bigger names" to join them?

Of the 30 NBA teams, how many have signed a bigger FA than LMA in the last five years?

And which of them are in big markets?

[YGWHI]

Kawhi ain't comin back until Parker and Ginobili are gone.
Most likely Kawhi to be traded while Parker gets a new loyalty contract.

That's how things work. If you don't like..there's the door, Dewayne Dedmon.

For a reason Parker brought Joff and we missed Dedmon.

What's about Parker as Spurs' GM after RC gone?
https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-Tony-Parker-has-future-ambitions-as-a-7957851.php

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

I saw Yahoo and didn't even bother clicking. Fucking horseshit

[FireMicoHalili]

And which of them are in big markets?
To backtrack a bit:

2010
James, Bosh to MIA

2012
Caron Butler (Spurs courted him) bolted to LAC
Chandler to NYK
Billups to LAC

2013
Ray Allen to MIA
Jamal Crawford to LAC
Steve Nash to LAL
Elton Brand to DAL

2015
Pau Gasol to CHI

*may have gotten my dates wrong

May I just note that desirability isn’t just measured by stars coming to your team, but even scrubs. I recall having Danny Granger spurn the Spurs for Miami (though he wasn’t really playable), Caron Butler refuse the Spurs multiple times. Remember that time practically every big man save for Francisco Elson said no to the Spurs.

[tbdog]

We courted for Greg Oden, which was for the best. We did get Finley way back though. Bret Barry to a lesser extent but that was a match made in heaven. LMA was huge though.

[Russ]

To backtrack a bit:

2010
James, Bosh to MIA

2012
Caron Butler (Spurs courted him) bolted to LAC
Chandler to NYK
Billups to LAC

2013
Ray Allen to MIA
Jamal Crawford to LAC
Steve Nash to LAL
Elton Brand to DAL

2015
Pau Gasol to CHI

*may have gotten my dates wrong

May I just note that desirability isn’t just measured by stars coming to your team, but even scrubs. I recall having Danny Granger spurn the Spurs for Miami (though he wasn’t really playable), Caron Butler refuse the Spurs multiple times. Remember that time practically every big man save for Francisco Elson said no to the Spurs.

Your research is commendable. :toast

My point is only that all fan bases think that their team should get most of the big FAs. It's logistically impossible so most fans feel like their team is uniquely unable to get their fair share of great players.

In fact, most teams get no big-name FAs. Even the Lakers have signed no one of note in years.

If Spurs fans feel slighted, trust me, Laker fans are still pining over Aldridge and complaining about how they blew that awkward seduction.

[barbacoataco]

They won a title in 2014 and went to the conference finals last year. What a load of horseshit.

Exactly. And they're in the playoffs this year. Outside of the Leonard thing they still are ridiculously successful over the last 20 years.

[Das Texan]

Correct me if I’m wrong but the Spurs tried to get Chris Paul through FA, Kyrie through trade, none of which panned out.

2017
Hayward to Boston
Millsap to Nuggets

2016
Durant to GS
Horford to BOS

2015
Monroe to MIL

Of all these players, arguably only Durant is better than LMA. If your point is that SA does not have a hard time attracting huge names, take note Aldridge heavily considered SA not only because of the talent but because it’s closer to home.

Bigger cities always have leverage over the smaller markets, except for the Lakers who are understandably being refused for good reason.

I mean Hayward only went to Boston cause his college coach is there, tbh.

[YGWHI]

:lol "Gobbleeygook"...

...Ridiculous

When these two realize Jabari Young RT this article..I can hear them "Kawhi, take your Jabari guy and go away"

https://i.imgur.com/mt4Khlj.jpg

[duncan2k5]

The only part I took umbrage with was the Zaza reference. He’s basically saying SA pushed Kawhi to play against his best interest and that directly led to Zaza being able to deliver the “knockout blow”.

What? First of all, SA sat Kawhi in a MUST WIN PLAYOFF game vs Houston the round before so that doesn’t make sense. Also, almost all players play unless its a terrible injury in the playoffs. How on Earth could you imply that SA didn’t protect Kawhi by letting him play vs GS (after they already sat him before in a playoff game just a week before) and then say that setup Kawhi for a bad injury?

Ridiculous

While I agree with u... The game against Houston WASN'T a must-win

[DPG21920]

When these two realize Jabari Young RT this article..I can hear them "Kawhi, take your Jabari guy and go away"

https://i.imgur.com/mt4Khlj.jpg

I interact with Jabari all the time - I have no issues with him at all even though, like you, I don’t agree with a lot of his Kawhi takes

[offset formation]

op-ed makes it seem so easy to duplicate and yet hardly anyone has duplicated.

Right? Just add three parts European, add 1 part floor spacing, bake at 200 minutes of rest, and enjoy 5 rings.

That author is clearly harboring angst.

[offset formation]

Kawhi ain't comin back until Parker and Ginobili are gone.

I have a feeling you may be right on that. Even if the Spurs and PATFO want him back, and Kawhi was willing to come back, I have a feeling that he would only sign under the condition they retire.

All of which just makes me think the Spurs are likely to trade him this offseason.

[james evans]

Manu type players are dime a dozen. Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford, Eric Gordon, etc

Tony Parker is a Top 5 PG of all time. Never forget that son
top 5 pg all time? according to whom other than his family members?

[Mal]

Manu type players are dime a dozen. Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford, Eric Gordon, etc

Tony Parker is a Top 5 PG of all time. Never forget that son

Parker isn't even top 5 PG he met on the floor duing his career

[Budkin]

Horrible takes in a horribly written article tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

Parker isn't even top 5 PG he met on the floor duing his career
I don't value the opinion of idiots.

[dav4463]

Manu type are a dime a dozen?

uhhh,..................ok i guess. didn't realize Hall of Famers were a dime a dozen.