San Diego Tribune piece on the Kawhi situation

[Kori Ellis]

Sorry if this was already posted. I thought it was interesting, especially the line about this reporter getting denied a credential by the Spurs.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-kawhi-leonard-spurs-injury-20180412-story.html

Maybe my favorite Kawhi Leonard story happened a few weeks before the start of his sophomore season at San Diego State.

It was late on a Friday afternoon at Viejas Arena, and coach Steve Fisher had just put what would become a 34-3 team through a grueling three-hour practice. That was followed by a 45-minute, equally brutal conditioning session by strength coach Randy Shelton that literally had players crawling off the floor for the locker room.

Fisher had given the team one final weekend off before the season, and the players quickly showered and headed into the twilight, eager to avail themselves of a rare Friday night without a Saturday practice (and indeed, several would be spotted at a downtown club a few hours later).

Leonard headed in the opposite direction. He walked back onto the Viejas Arena court, looked around and asked: “Where are the balls? Who locked up the balls?”

Someone dutifully found him some basketballs and left on the lights. An hour later he was still there, a solitary figure with the squeak of his sneakers and swish of the net echoing in an empty, 12,414-seat arena.

Which makes what’s happening with Leonard and the San Antonio Spurs so perplexing, so disconcerting, so utterly confounding.

The organization that annually sent a staffer to San Diego during summers to ensure its prized forward wasn’t working out too much – three-a-days were pushing it, four was simply too much – and that pioneered the controversial practice of resting its stars during the season is practically demanding he play. And, with the Spurs opening the playoffs Saturday against defending NBA champion Golden State, the kid who can’t stay out of the gym is refusing.

It doesn’t make sense.

I hoped to get some answer two weeks ago, when I was in San Antonio for the NCAA Final Four and the Spurs had a pair of home games. I requested a media credential. For the first time in 30-plus years of sports journalism, of covering Olympics and World Cups and everything in between, I was denied.

A simple oversight? I don’t think so. More likely, another indication of the depth of the discord. The Spurs know how extensively I’ve covered Leonard’s career and were incredibly accommodating on a trip to San Antonio earlier in his career, including notoriously grumpy coach Gregg Popovich.

But times, suddenly, inconceivably, have changed. The supposed perfect match – the unassuming superstar and the unorthodox organization built on selfless humility – has frayed at the edges, perhaps irreparably. They have trust issues.

Leonard is suffering from quadriceps tendinopathy just above his right knee, a painful condition that is best treated with rest and rehabilitation. The tricky part is, unlike many other injuries, there is no prescribed recovery window. It could be weeks, could be months, could be shorter, could be longer.

Leonard missed the season’s first 27 games, returned for nine in December on limited duty (23.2 minutes and no back-to-back games), and hasn’t played for the Spurs since. And may never again.

There are whispers that he thinks the Spurs’ medical staff misdiagnosed the injury, or at least didn’t properly assess its severity, leading him to seek a second opinion and have a specialist in New York take control of the rehab. Spurs physicians have since declared him healthy; Leonard says he still can’t explode off the leg.

The impasse boiled over late last month, when Leonard showed up for the annual team picture, posed in his No. 2 jersey and quickly left. His teammates later confronted him at a players-only meeting that, if you know anything about the Spurs, no doubt was arranged by Popovich while they struggled to make the playoffs for a 21st-straight season. The Spurs headed west for a road trip. Leonard headed east for more private rehab in New York.

Veteran point guard Tony Parker fired a verbal dart by telling reporters that he recovered, with no issues, from a quad injury “100 times worse.”

Leonard didn’t return fire, but former Spurs wing Stephen Jackson did: “The fact that came from Tony, that’s super low … I wouldn’t be surprised if this makes Kawhi want to leave. When your teammates are going against you in the media like that, not having your back, and you know that’s coming from up top (in the organization), why would you want to be there?”

There are also reports of increasingly strained relations between the front office and Leonard’s chief adviser, now his uncle after nudging aside his longtime agent. That this might be a leverage play ahead of contract talks or to force a trade.

Leonard, 26, has two years remaining on a contract that paid him $18.8 million this season but is eligible for unrestricted free agency in July 2019. The Spurs can keep him by offering a “supermax” extension after next season worth $219 million over five years – or $9 million per year more than he could get in free agency.

Or they can trade him this summer, while he still has value, while they can still get something in return.

A year ago, that eventuality seemed unthinkable. With each passing day, with each passing game that Leonard is not in uniform, with each passing slight from a teammate, it seems more and more plausible. The Celtics? The Lakers? Someone else?

But understand one thing about Leonard: This is not about money.

It never has been. This is a guy who lives well below his means, doesn’t have an entourage, doesn’t wear gaudy pin-striped suits, isn’t blinged out. Who drove the same Chevy Malibu he had in college when he got to the league, then replaced it with his first car, a ’97 Chevy Tahoe.

Who, sweat drenched, interrupted one of his summer workouts in San Diego to sign his current five-year, $94,343,130 contact, then immediately returned to the gym for the final hour of the session.

“I was scheduled to work out,” he explained later, “so I did.”

The only things that have ever mattered to him are playing, and winning. And loyalty.

It’s why he stuck with SDSU, the first school to recruit him out of King High in Riverside, when the blue bloods tried to pry him away late. And it’s why he can’t and won’t play for an organization he doesn’t trust.

Life tends to make things complicated. Leonard’s quadriceps tendinopathy might be, but the kid shooting baskets in an empty arena is not.

[Chinook]

WTF Kori?

[lil'mo]

What’s your opinion, Kori?

[DAF86]

Meh, I don't trust any type of source. Every single writer will have a bias depending from what side they get the info.

[cd98]

Meh, I don't trust any type of source. Every single writer will have a bias depending from what side they get the info.

Yes, but not one single writer has any positive feel for Spurs and Kawhi. It's all negative. Maybe that sells. But the only person saying nothing is wrong is Danny Green.

[SuperCam]

Expect more leaks from Kiwi camp sources to SD and LA based writers as his group peppers the way for a departure to the Lakers this offseason. Kiwi may never speak but his people will not stand idly by and let pro-PATFO sycophants like McDonald control the narrative...

[DAF86]

Yes, but not one single writer has any positive feel for Spurs and Kawhi. It's all negative. Maybe that sells. But the only person saying nothing is wrong is Danny Green.

Oh, shit is broken, that's for sure. Whose fault is it is what is to be determined. A long history backs the Spurs up, though.

[Kori Ellis]

What’s your opinion, Kori?

I don't think he's sitting out only because he had a falling out with the Spurs - I think he's still hurting enough to not want to jeopardize his long-term future.
But I do think that if he was just hurt (and that there was no rift), he'd be sitting behind the bench cheering on his teammates.

[DAF86]

I don't think he's sitting out only because he had a falling out with the Spurs - I think he's still hurting enough to not want to jeopardize his long-term future.
But I do think that if he was just hurt (and that there was no rift), he'd be sitting behind the bench cheering on his teammates.

What alt do you usually post under, tbh?

[FvckMavs]

What alt do you usually post under, tbh?

dabom

[cantthinkofanything]

I don't think he's sitting out only because he had a falling out with the Spurs - I think he's still hurting enough to not want to jeopardize his long-term future.
But I do think that if he was just hurt (and that there was no rift), he'd be sitting behind the bench cheering on his teammates.

As you can see, I'm still pinked. Please return me to proper BNSF status. Toot sweet.

[Kori Ellis]

Side note: Why do a bunch of you call Kawhi "Kiwi"... that was Sean Marks' nickname?

[DPG21920]

Expect more leaks from Kiwi camp sources to SD and LA based writers as his group peppers the way for a departure to the Lakers this offseason. Kiwi may never speak but his people will not stand idly by and let pro-PATFO sycophants like McDonald control the narrative...

The only way Kawhi goes to LA this off season is if SA trades him there and I can’t see that happening.

[NASpurs]

What alt do you usually post under, tbh?

ducks

[dabom]

What alt do you usually post under, tbh?

None...

[Kori Ellis]

As you can see, I'm still pinked. Please return me to proper BNSF status. Toot sweet.

I have no control of that.

[dabom]

Side note: Why do a bunch of you call Kawhi "Kiwi"... that was Sean Marks' nickname?

Only betas call Kawhi that.

[Kori Ellis]

What alt do you usually post under, tbh?

None. I just read the forum every once in a while.

[wontstartdumbthreads]

I have no control of that.

You certainly could ask for a favor. For cantthinkofanything and myself. I have like 3 important post quotes that I can't check.

[DPG21920]

None. I just read the forum every once in a while.

Do you have a “side” here in this Kawhi vs Spurs debate? I have no problem with Kawhi wanting to protect himself and not play injured with such a big contract on the line, but he’s stepped over the line with how he’s gone about the situation.

How do you feel?

[cantthinkofanything]

Avante has more privileges than me. And he's a...well...you know.

[Darius Bieber]

Wow, great to see you Kori. Damn. Been a while. Hopefully everything is going well.

[Kori Ellis]

Avante has more privileges than me. And he's a...well...you know.

You're welcome.
If you misbehave, I will delete you entirely.

[Kori Ellis]

Wow, great to see you Kori. Damn. Been a while. Hopefully everything is going well.

Everything is great. Thanks.

[SpursDynasty85]

Expect more leaks from Kiwi camp sources to SD and LA based writers as his group peppers the way for a departure to the Lakers this offseason. Kiwi may never speak but his people will not stand idly by and let pro-PATFO sycophants like McDonald control the narrative...

What leak was referenced in this article ? It's an opinionated article on what this guy has been reading in the media too. Nothing new here besides he was denied a media pass to Spurs games.

[cantthinkofanything]

You're welcome.
If you misbehave, I will delete you entirely.

You're the tops. Thanks!

[baseline bum]

ducks

No, that's my main account.

[daslicer]

Side note: Why do a bunch of you call Kawhi "Kiwi"... that was Sean Marks' nickname?

A laker fan called him Kiwi a few years ago as an insult and it has stuck ever since.

[MoSpur02]

Kori coming back is almost as good as Kawhi coming back. Today was a good day *Ice Cube voice

[MoSpur02]

Would really like to hear TJ's opinion on this while thing.

[lmbebo]

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Everything is great. Thanks.


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[ElNono]

He actually mentions everything we talked about here for months...

The fact that he was denied a credential, just makes all the rumor mongering more credible, tbh....

I think the real rift here is a loss of confidence between the Spurs doctors and Kawhi, which in any professional sports team is a pretty big deal. Especially if the Spurs plan to stick with that staff...

[Pauleta14]

Side note: Why do a bunch of you call Kawhi "Kiwi"... that was Sean Marks' nickname?

Just classy STalkers showing love, like "Manure" or "Enrique"...

[NASpurs]

Is timvp going to bump the ":cry it hurts :cry" thread next week? That dude said he was going to be more active on the forums like two years ago.

[Pauleta14]

The fact that he was denied a credential, just makes all the rumor mongering more credible, tbh....
.

Maybe he is known for being bias and the Spurs didn't want to entertain the controversy?

[UZER]

Kori Ellis? Wow. Who’s next? Mombear?

[Russ]

I don't think he's sitting out only because he had a falling out with the Spurs - I think he's still hurting enough to not want to jeopardize his long-term future.
But I do think that if he was just hurt (and that there was no rift), he'd be sitting behind the bench cheering on his teammates.

Yes, if you're hurt you can't play.

But nothing should stop you from being a professional.

[ElNono]

Maybe he is known for being bias and the Spurs didn't want to entertain the polemique...?

they wined and dined him when the going was good, tbh... some fluffers here say everything is great, so what's there to hide?

[Kori Ellis]

Is timvp going to bump the ":cry it hurts :cry" thread next week? That dude said he was going to be more active on the forums like two years ago.

We got sidetracked by enjoying life outside the forum :lol

[daslicer]

Just to save you guys some reading time. Here is the article in a nutshell:

1. This guy has followed Kawhi since he was at SDSU. He claims Kawhi has always had a good work ethic and believes he would play if he could. He gives an example of how Kawhi's college coach put the team through a grueling 3 hour practice on a Friday and then gave the team Saturday off. According to the writer other players went to the club on that Friday night while Kawhi stayed in the gym and practice.
2. The writer cites Stephen Jackson as a credible source on the disarray within the Spurs organization which causes him to loses immediate credibility in my eyes.
3. The writer claims that Kawhi sitting out is not about money. I say obviously that's bs since we keep hearing from his camp he doesn't want his value to be harmed by playing when it comes to getting the super max.
4. The writer mentions that how the Spurs had given him media passes in the past but this time around when he came to the Final Four they refused to give it to him. He's implying that since the Spurs know he's a huge follower of Kawhi's career that they are trying to cover up something by not giving him a media pass.
5. This guy only mentions Kawhi's uncle for 1 sentence and says there is tensions between him and the front office.

What I believe is going on hasn't changed. Like I said before I believe Kawhi's uncle doesn't want Kawhi in SA and is doing everything possible to get him out of here.

[Phenomanul]

Kori Ellis... you are missed around these parts. Hope all is well. Blessings. :tu

[Chinook]

It's possible that neither side wants this to come out, and that's why they are denying press access. The Spurs probably know Kawhi's trade stock will only fall the more information the public gets, and Kawhi potential for a new deal with another club will fall along with it. Even with this mystery, if Kawhi checks out decently on a physical, he's going to command a good return in the draft.

[Phenomanul]

He actually mentions everything we talked about here for months...

The fact that he was denied a credential, just makes all the rumor mongering more credible, tbh....

I think the real rift here is a loss of confidence between the Spurs doctors and Kawhi, which in any professional sports team is a pretty big deal. Especially if the Spurs plan to stick with that staff...

If I had to pick between the two, I would pick Kawhi over Will Sevening or anyone else in the staff.

[FvckMavs]

What I believe is going on hasn't changed. Like I said before I believe Kawhi's uncle doesn't want Kawhi in SA and is doing everything possible to get him out of here.

I would not be surprised if Magic Johnson had something to do with this, just like his role in Paul George's situation in Pacers.

[spurraider21]

i'll gladly trade koriwhat for kori ellis

[Pauleta14]

they wined and dined him when the going was good, tbh... some fluffers here say everything is great, so what's there to hide?

They didn't deny the others journalists though. (not counting Jeff McDonald and the SA ones...)

None of them could come up with anything.

[daslicer]

I would not be surprised if Magic Johnson had something to do with this, just like his role in Paul George's situation in Pacers.

Who knows anything is possible. I remember Magic openly tampering to get Shaq during the '95-96 season. In interviews with the media that season Magic kept on saying Shaq would be a Laker. He was also good friends with Shaq and keep in mind Shaq's agent also wanted to be in LA.

[Russ]

The fact that he was denied a credential, just makes all the rumor mongering more credible, tbh....

Maybe it's because the entire cadre of US basketball press was in SA that weekend and there just weren't enough credentials for all.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Kori Ellis? Wow. Who’s next? Mombear?

:lol no that's SpursReport

[MoSpur02]

Where's Johnny Ludden when you need him?

[Pauleta14]

Anyways, nothing to take from this article tbh...

Thanks Kori though! Good to "see" you and happy to learn you're all good.

[MoSpur02]

So the Spurs denied his credential request to the Final Four or to a Spurs game? Tom James is a prick, but I think his credential denial maybe has more to do with, "you haven't covered the Spurs in a long time and now all of a sudden you want one?" The Spurs just don't have out credentials to anyone.

[daslicer]

So the Spurs denied his credential request to the Final Four or to a Spurs game? Tom James is a prick, but I think his credential denial maybe has more to do with, "you haven't covered the Spurs in a long time and now all of a sudden you want one?" The Spurs just don't have out credentials to anyone.

Also I would add I doubt he's going to find any new inside scoop about the Spurs on Final Four weekend. Just look at the national media with guys like Woj and how they haven't found out anything new regarding what's causing the strain between the Spurs and Kawhi under then briefly mentioning his uncle. In the next few months the truth is going to be revealed and quacks like Tom will no longer be able to come up with bs speculations.

[Mikeanaro]

I find the whole ¨family-like culture¨ to be kind of hypocrite, so he went for the annual photos and left just like that?

[ElNono]

They didn't deny the others journalists though. (not counting Jeff McDonald and the SA ones...)

None of them could come up with anything.

Well, we have to wait for Woj to find out about player's only meeting, or Kawhi traveling to NY...

There's nothing but fluffing from the local media, tbh, and it really has to do with this stuff of being denied credentials... they're the only game in town.

[TDomination]

:lol no that's SpursReport

About to say the same thing lol. Where's Dusty? Avante? Oh well

[UZER]

:lol no that's SpursReport

I know. It was a joke. I’m just glad someone got the reference. :lol

[Russ]

About to say the same thing lol. Where's Dusty? Avante? Oh well

I saw Dusty at a Spurs-Clippers playoff game about 5-6 years ago with his wife and a child or two.

We were happy (I think the Spurs swept) and he seemed to be doing well. (He was running an investment website -- I love Dusty, but hold on to your wallet.)

Then I saw Kawhi's entire family in the concourse of Staples Center after the game. It must have been them -- ten or fifteen men, women and children all with Kawhi jerseys on. Heck, one of them was probably Kawhi's uncle!

:flag:

[gospursgojas]

This was already posted. Who is this newb Kori Ellis?

[baseline bum]

We got sidetracked by enjoying life outside the forum :lol

The timvp I used to know would be still hurting at the thought of the franchise about to walk. :depressed

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[Kori Ellis]

The timvp I used to know would be still hurting at the thought of the franchise about to walk. :depressed

http://timvp.com/timstravels.jpg

That timvp.com pic is hilarious. The Kawhi situation is so frustrating because of the lack of real info. I just wish Kawhi (or "his group" as Pop says) would have said months ago that he was too hurt and wouldn't be coming back this season. Everyone could have just accepted that and moved on. But instead it's just all speculation and rumor... he wants a bigger city, he wants a better shoe deal, he's just a China doll, he doesn't trust the Spurs medical staff, he was disrespected by someone in management, he's psychologically fragile, and so on. To me, sitting out (if he's not actually hurt) doesn't make any sense at all - no matter how much of a rift there is. That hurts his stock. So he must really feel that he's not physically ready to play. I just wish he'd come to games and support the team. Show up. He doesn't rehab all day every day, so there's no excuse not to come sit behind the bench for games.

[cd98]

That timvp.com pic is hilarious. The Kawhi situation is so frustrating because of the lack of real info. I just wish Kawhi (or "his group" as Pop says) would have said months ago that he was too hurt and wouldn't be coming back this season. Everyone could have just accepted that and moved on. But instead it's just all speculation and rumor... he wants a bigger city, he wants a better shoe deal, he's just a China doll, he doesn't trust the Spurs medical staff, he was disrespected by someone in management, he's psychologically fragile, and so on. To me, sitting out (if he's not actually hurt) doesn't make any sense at all - no matter how much of a rift there is. That hurts his stock. So he must really feel that he's not physically ready to play. I just wish he'd come to games and support the team. Show up. He doesn't rehab all day every day, so there's no excuse not to come sit behind the bench for games.

Agreed. Lots of people get injured and can't play, as frustrating as that is. But his actions create more unnecessary drama that is turning to backlash against him.

[baseline bum]

I just wish he'd come to games and support the team. Show up. He doesn't rehab all day every day, so there's no excuse not to come sit behind the bench for games.

I was on Kawhi's side until this shit. He knows exactly how this looks which tells me we'll likely never see him in a Spurs uniform again. Time to join Phoenix in Tank City next season. :pctoss

[Dex]

I don't think he's sitting out only because he had a falling out with the Spurs - I think he's still hurting enough to not want to jeopardize his long-term future.
But I do think that if he was just hurt (and that there was no rift), he'd be sitting behind the bench cheering on his teammates.

Some articles have floated around reports that he is rehabbing in NY, working out at the NBA HQ facilities, etc...

Considering Kawhi's medical team is apparently based out of there (which just brings up another rift between Leonard and the Spurs FO, but I digress...), I can understand him not being behind the bench if he is truly putting in good time trying to rehab his injury and stay in basketball shape. It wouldn't be easy for him to keep up with a consistent program if he was hotel hopping and jumping planes every few days.

Unfortunately, we've heard absolutely nothing from Kawhi since he left, so no one really knows what exactly he is up to out there. If he's not working on a return (be it short-term or long-term), then he should be supporting his team.

Another angle: Kawhi is so frustrated by not being able to play that he doesn't want to be stuck on the bench watching games. But even that is not being a good team player or leader.


Side note: Why do a bunch of you call Kawhi "Kiwi"... that was Sean Marks' nickname?

THANK YOU! :pctoss

[YGWHI]

1. This guy has followed Kawhi since he was at SDSU. He claims Kawhi has always had a good work ethic and believes he would play if he could. He gives an example of how Kawhi's college coach put the team through a grueling 3 hour practice on a Friday and then gave the team Saturday off. According to the writer other players went to the club on that Friday night while Kawhi stayed in the gym and practice.
Do you think the guy is lying about this? Kawhi's a gym-rat, every coach -Pop included- has said this.


2..3...4...5..
I wonder why you didn't talk in those five about the issue with the medical staff


I think the real rift here is a loss of confidence between the Spurs doctors and Kawhi, which in any professional sports team is a pretty big deal. Especially if the Spurs plan to stick with that staff...

I've said the injury and the trusting-problem was the only real problem there. Since preseason I was posting about that. I thought it could be fixed but after Parker/Manu roasted him in public, it seems like it's broken.

Nothing is coincidence on a Pop's team. If the Spurs would want to keep Kawhi, Parker/Manu wouldn't have talked. At this point, a trade is pretty obvious.

[DPG21920]

:lmao roasted Kawhi in public

[Russ]

I thought it could be fixed but after Parker/Manu roasted him in public, it seems like it's broken.

If that's the worst thing that happened to Kawhi this season, he's sitting pretty taking $19 million.

[YGWHI]

:lmao roasted Kawhi in public
We alredy talked about this....DPG

While you think their words weren't shots at him, the rest of world -all NBA media, all former NBA players, all NBA fans- think the opposite.

[daslicer]

Do you think the guy is lying about this? Kawhi's a gym-rat, every coach -Pop included- has said this.




:lol Did I say this guy was lying about Kawhi's work ethic? I just listed facts about the article and you overreacted like the typical Kawhi fanboy you are.

[YGWHI]

If that's the worst thing that happened to Kawhi this season, he's sitting pretty taking $19 million.
Nah...The worst thing that happened to him was having an injured quad this season.

[YGWHI]

:lol Did I say this guy was lying about Kawhi's work ethic? I just listed facts about the article and you overreacted like the typical Kawhi fanboy you are.
Like I've said before you listed facts but forgot a big one. I wonder why. Just because him being injured doesn't fit into your narrative about his uncle?

[spurraider21]

We alredy talked about this....DPG

While you think their words weren't shots at him, the rest of world -all NBA media, all former NBA players, all NBA fans- think the opposite.
shut up, kawhi's uncle

[K...]

Whats up KORI,

the only good explanation is that Kawhi is hurt and won't talk because he knows he's medically disabled and won't get the MAX, wont get his shoe deal, won't get his desired FA deal, he'll never wear clean pants, so he sits and stews and hopes for good news from a pile of muscle and tendon he feels but cannot understand. While several spur stalk posters wipe his ass.

[YGWHI]

shut up, kawhi's uncle

Nah

Like it or not, there were many Spurs fans that thought Parker/Manu shouldnt have questioned him in public, it didn't help.

Their words just created more media-drama and this type of fans' reactions.

981736949319852033

Just in case, I'm not this guy, either. :lol

[ElNono]

tbh, the only thing I'm not going to miss when Kawhi walks away is smug shit like YGWHI :lol

[UZER]

Nah

Like it or not, there were many Spurs fans that thought Parker/Manu shouldnt have questioned him in public, it didn't help.

Their words just created more media-drama and this type of fans' reactions.

981736949319852033

Just in case, I'm not this guy, either. :lol

He learns from his head coach who sits half the team for a national game, then questions their toughness and says fans deserve their money back when they lose by 30.

[YGWHI]

tbh, the only thing I'm not going to miss when Kawhi walks away is smug shit like YGWHI :lol
Poor ElNono..Doesn't matter if they trade him or not, I won't leave ST. :lol

I've been a Spurs' fan since I can remember and will keep reading and posting about them.

[ElNono]

Poor ElNono..If they trade him or not, I won't leave ST. :lol

I've been a Spurs' fan since I can remember and will keep reading and posting about them..

Then you should know Tony Parker has the pedigree to write whatever he wants about the NBA, tbh, including a long, storied career WITH the Spurs doctors...

[YGWHI]

Then you should know Tony Parker has the pedigree to write whatever he wants about the NBA, tbh, including a long, storied career WITH the Spurs doctors...

No one pedigree allows him to talk shit about a teammte in public..If Parker had an issue with him and they would have a meeting, he should have talked about it in the locker-room, not in front the media.

[ElNono]

No one pedigree allows him to talk shit about a teammte in public..If Parker had an issue with him and they would have a meeting, he should have talked about it in the locker-room, not in front the media.

They did have a meeting. Parker lead the charge to have one. Probably didn't get a response.

[YGWHI]

They did have a meeting. Parker lead the charge to have one. Probably didn't get a response.
And that's a reason for talking with media about him in that way? Don't try to justify this. We all know that a player shouldn't throw under the bus a teammate while both guys are on the same team.

[BillMc]

We got sidetracked by enjoying life outside the forum :lol

There is life outside this forum? :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Expect more leaks from Kiwi camp sources to SD and LA based writers as his group peppers the way for a departure to the Lakers this offseason. Kiwi may never speak but his people will not stand idly by and let pro-PATFO sycophants like McDonald control the narrative...

:tu

[spursistan]

tbh, the only thing I'm not going to miss when Kawhi walks away is smug shit like YGWHI :lol
Such a lame act. Fuckin born to semen-shield for Kiwi :lol

[YGWHI]

Such a lame act. Fuckin born to semen-shield for Kiwi :lol

This from the guy that @ me in every post? :lol

I have more mentions a day than texts from my girl and she likes texting me...a lot. Better you realize what's wrong in your life soon :lol

[UZER]

There is life outside this forum? :lol

Two people have figured that out, Kori and Kawhi.

[Robz4000]

There is life outside this forum? :lol

Blasphemy.

[ElNono]

And that's a reason for talking with media about him in that way? Don't try to justify this. We all know that a player shouldn't throw under the bus a teammate while both guys are on the same team.

Maybe he felt he needed to shield the medical staff that just basically saved his career... it was an honorable thing to do, tbh...

At any rate, there's no excuse for him not being with the team supporting his teammates, tbh...

[YGWHI]

Maybe he felt he needed to shield the medical staff that just basically saved his career... it was an honorable thing to do, tbh..
Stop trolling. He could have saved Spurs' doctors asses without throwing his teammate under the bus. There was no need for that.


At any rate, there's no excuse for him not being with the team supporting his teammates, tbh...
It seems like these two teammates didn't support him either

What's the point on supporting teammates that don't want him there?

[ElNono]

It seems like these two teammates didn't support him either

What's the point on supporting teammates that don't want him there?

What kind of support does he needs? His teammates stuck with him for as long as Pop stuck with him. Once coach said he was cleared to play, that's the end of that.

[YGWHI]

What kind of support does he needs?
All kind of support but Parker/Manu's comments.


His teammates stuck with him for as long as Pop stuck with him. Once coach said he was cleared to play, that's the end of that.
Do you really think that Parker/Manu stuck with him all season until Pop said they shouldn't? I doubt it.

Do you remember Parker/Manu talking about Kawhi as an MVP candidate last season? Only Pau, Green and Mills did it. No Parker, no Manu.

This issue between Parker/Manu and Kawhi isn't new.

[ElNono]

All kind of support but Parker/Manu's comments.

Do you really think that Parker/Manu stuck with him all season until Pop said they shouldn't? I doubt it.

Do you remember Parker/Manu talking about Kawhi as an MVP candidate last season? Only Pau, Green and Mills did it. No Parker, no Manu.

This issue between Parker/Manu and Kawhi isn't new.

:lol What 'issue'? This is the first I hear of it... I translate pretty much every Manu interview, he always speaks highly of Kawhi.

And yeah, once the player stops paying attention to the organization, they're on their own, tbh... the fact that Pop was unchained too, was eye opening, IMO...

[ElNono]

Also, cool beans on the kind of support Kawhi needs :lol

Kawhi went bitchmade, and now you're bitching coz his bitchmade ass gets called out? :lol

[gilmor]

tbh, the only thing I'm not going to miss when Kawhi walks away is smug shit like YGWHI :lol

Well said..

[Brazil]

In terms of passive aggressive and throwing kiwi under the bus the king has been Pop but I guess kiwi uncle prefer blame tony and manu :lmao

in no time dat ygwhi kiwi uncle is gonna explain kiwi is leaving because two teammates threw him under the bus saying basically that spurs med are great and that good team mates play even being in pain... :lmao

:cry but but uncle
:cry but but it is painful
:cry but but better things to do than sitting on the bench cheering for his teammates
:cry tony is so mean
:cry I’m a gym rat I don’t explain myself to the press or to the fans... fuck fans, fuck the spurs docs, fuck my teammates

gtfo player fan and take your lane whinny excuses with you

[Kori Ellis]

Who is YGWHI? I have never seen an Argentinean pimp Kawhi over Manu til now.

[exstatic]

If I had to pick between the two, I would pick Kawhi over Will Sevening or anyone else in the staff.

Dumbass. Sevening isn’t a doctor, he’s the fucking athletic trainer. He patches owies during the game, and might tell the med staff “he’s favoring his leg” or arm, or can’t wipe his ass. He has nothing to do with medical decisions.

[UZER]

Who is YGWHI? I have never seen an Argentinean pimp Kawhi over Manu til now.

Kawhi’s uncle...or sister.

[Kori Ellis]

Kawhi’s uncle...or sister.

I would guess not, considering he lives in Argentina.

[SAGirl]

It's possible that neither side wants this to come out, and that's why they are denying press access. The Spurs probably know Kawhi's trade stock will only fall the more information the public gets, and Kawhi potential for a new deal with another club will fall along with it. Even with this mystery, if Kawhi checks out decently on a physical, he's going to command a good return in the draft.
Imagine if they have to consult his NYC doctors for that physical... I don't think much discussion about the injury benefits either party... make it about anything else... what was it SJAX said? Tony? yea make it about that.

I tend to think if there is a rift it definitely involves the medical team like Nono above said... I have said all along he's injured, if he really is damaged goods it doesn't benefit Kiwi for much to come out about him. He's obviously evading the media. If he showed up to cheer teammates for the playoffs to satisfy fans and for appearances sake he will be a distraction and be pestered. AS it is the teammates are already getting pestered.

All along I have believed he won't be traded... but if I were to believe that then things like BillMc has speculated in terms of team asking him to stay away since he has one foot out the door make sense.

[ElNono]

Who is YGWHI? I have never seen an Argentinean pimp Kawhi over Manu til now.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/YgWhi?src=hash

[YGWHI]

:lol What 'issue'? This is the first I hear of it... I translate pretty much every Manu interview, he always speaks highly of Kawhi.

And yeah, once the player stops paying attention to the organization, they're on their own, tbh... the fact that Pop was unchained too, was eye opening, IMO...

What bothers me is how this is viewed among young NBA players.

Be like "Shit the Spurs are so great BUT Pop chose to lose a top-5 player that played 6 years for him just to support his doctors and old players... What will happen to me if I have an issue in SA, no one will have my back there, old players and Pop only support each other...They didn't max him but give their old guy too much money..it seems that's hard to play for the Spurs if your name isn't Parker or Ginobili"

[Joseph Kony]

What bothers me is how this is viewed among young NBA players.

Be like "Shit the Spurs are so great BUT Pop chose to lose a top-5 player that played 6 years for him just to support his doctors and old players... What will happen to me if I have an issue in SA, no one will have my back there, old players and Pop only support each other...They didn't max him but give their old guy too much money..it seems that's hard to play for the Spurs if your name isn't Parker or Ginobili"

:lol this is really stupid

[YGWHI]

I would guess not, considering he lives in Argentina.

You shouldn't trust IP's, Kori.

[Joseph Kony]

In terms of passive aggressive and throwing kiwi under the bus the king has been Pop but I guess kiwi uncle prefer blame tony and manu :lmao

in no time dat ygwhi kiwi uncle is gonna explain kiwi is leaving because two teammates threw him under the bus saying basically that spurs med are great and that good team mates play even being in pain... :lmao

:cry but but uncle
:cry but but it is painful
:cry but but better things to do than sitting on the bench cheering for his teammates
:cry tony is so mean
:cry I’m a gym rat I don’t explain myself to the press or to the fans... fuck fans, fuck the spurs docs, fuck my teammates

gtfo player fan and take your lane whinny excuses with you

:tu

[spursistan]

Who is YGWHI? I have never seen an Argentinean pimp Kawhi over Manu til now.
Kawhi's personal butler..

[ElNono]

What bothers me is how this is viewed among young NBA players.

Be like "Shit the Spurs are so great BUT Pop chose to lose a top-5 player that played 6 years for him just to support his doctors and old players... What will happen to me if I have an issue in SA, no one will have my back there, old players and Pop only support each other...They didn't max him but give their old guy too much money..it seems that's hard to play for the Spurs if your name isn't Parker or Ginobili"

Young players know there's a hierarchical structure in every organization, starting with the owners, down to the coaches and staff and then the players.

The only reason the Spurs didn't ship Kawhi's ass to the street, like it happens with a ton of those 'young players' that think they're above the organization, is because he has a giant money guarantee and trade value, tbh...

[Kori Ellis]

You shouldn't trust IP's, Kori.

I didn't.

[gospursgojas]

Who is YGWHI? I have never seen an Argentinean pimp Kawhi over Manu til now.

Posts seem like an 15 year old player fan. Been a Kawhi dick rider for weeks.

[baseline bum]

Kawhi's personal butler..

Kawhi is too cheap to hire an American to wipe his ass so he goes to Argentina for some Mexican?

[Kori Ellis]

You are loony if you think Manu and Tony have had something personal against Kawhi. It's not a bad thing to acknowledge Tony's blown up quad is 100 times worse than having tenderness, or that if you are injured, you should still try to maintain connections with the team.

[Chinook]

I would guess not, considering he lives in Argentina.

Well he DID say Manu's and Kawhi's beef has been a long time running.

[ElNono]

Wonder what :cry message :cry does it send to young players to quit on the team that gave you a shot at the NBA in the first place?

If he wanted to be traded and these 'issues' with the older players and coach were coming from such a long time, why not ask for a trade last summer and move on? Why extend this charade?

Makes no sense.

[daslicer]

Who is YGWHI? I have never seen an Argentinean pimp Kawhi over Manu til now.

Like others have said he's Kawhi's butler. He serves this role for Kawhi

O2-4xz8HEMw

[Chinook]

Posts seem like an 15 year old player fan. Been a Kawhi dick rider for weeks.

Y's been doing that for years now. Back when I used to be the resident non-troll Kawhi "hater", he and I had plenty of back-and-forths. If anything, his posting style has matured.

[YGWHI]

I didn't.
Good, you didn't.

[MoSpur02]

YGWHI is in charge of Kawhi's unofficial Quad's Fanpage

[spursistan]

Have never come across a more lame broken record on a sport forum than this YGWHI fella..

Holy shit those desperate wimpy excuses..SeriousLy GTFO :lmao..

[YGWHI]

You are loony if you think Manu and Tony have had something personal against Kawhi. It's not a bad thing to acknowledge Tony's blown up quad is 100 times worse than having tenderness, or that if you are injured, you should still try to maintain connections with the team.

Like I'm the only one guy in the world that think they threw him under the bus, right?

It's funny because most people here already know that Parker/Manu got roasted on Tw/IG, esp Parker, for saying it.

[YGWHI]

If he wanted to be traded and these 'issues' with the older players and coach were coming from such a long time, why not ask for a trade last summer and move on? Why extend this charade? Makes no sense.
I wonder who says he wanted a trade?

[Kawhitstorm]

Nah

Like it or not, there were many Spurs fans that thought Parker/Manu shouldnt have questioned him in public, it didn't help.

Their words just created more media-drama and this type of fans' reactions.

981736949319852033

Just in case, I'm not this guy, either. :lol


Tony Fucker is a snake

[ElNono]

I wonder who says he wanted a trade?

You said he's been uncomfortable with the old guys for a long while now... your claim. Either he was or was not. If he was, as you claim, he didn't need to extend this charade.

[YGWHI]

The only reason the Spurs didn't ship Kawhi's ass to the street, like it happens with a ton of those 'young players' that think they're above the organization, is because he has a giant money guarantee and trade value, tbh...

Again, if you know this, why do you expect him to support his teammates if they don't want him there? Doesn't make sense.

[daslicer]

All kind of support but Parker/Manu's comments.


Do you really think that Parker/Manu stuck with him all season until Pop said they shouldn't? I doubt it.

Do you remember Parker/Manu talking about Kawhi as an MVP candidate last season? Only Pau, Green and Mills did it. No Parker, no Manu.

This issue between Parker/Manu and Kawhi isn't new.

:lol Obviously you are making up lies but if your going to be a good liar try to make up more realistic lies. Manu is one of the most selfless teammates to ever have played the game. It doesn't make any sense why he would have tension with Kawhi. He's not competing with Kawhi for minutes and points.

[SAGirl]

Something that isn't mentioned about the team meeting... the information leaked was that teammates were imploring him to come back. This is not the team telling him to GTFO, quite the opposite. So why would he be upset about it? Weird.

[ElNono]

Again, if you know this, why do you expect him to support his teammates if they don't want him there? Doesn't make sense.

Has nothing to do with teammates, your reading comprehension sucks too. Read my post again and come back with a coherent answer.

[spursistan]

In terms of passive aggressive and throwing kiwi under the bus the king has been Pop but I guess kiwi uncle prefer blame tony and manu :lmao

in no time dat ygwhi kiwi uncle is gonna explain kiwi is leaving because two teammates threw him under the bus saying basically that spurs med are great and that good team mates play even being in pain... :lmao

:cry but but uncle
:cry but but it is painful
:cry but but better things to do than sitting on the bench cheering for his teammates
:cry tony is so mean
:cry I’m a gym rat I don’t explain myself to the press or to the fans... fuck fans, fuck the spurs docs, fuck my teammates

gtfo player fan and take your lane whinny excuses with you

:lol

[Kori Ellis]

Like I'm the only one guy in the world that think they threw him under the bus, right?

It's funny because most people here already know that Parker/Manu got roasted on Tw/IG, esp Parker, for saying it.

No, you aren't - a lot of people bought into the media overhyping Parker/Manu's comments. But obviously you are blind to any reason about the Kawhi situation, if you believe that Parker/Manu have had a brewing animosity toward Kawhi for years. That's ridiculous.

[Chinook]

Tony Fucker is a snake

The fuck is YOU doing back?

[Russ]

Again, if you know this, why do you expect him to support his teammates if they don't want him there? Doesn't make sense.

They were complaining that Kawhi wasn't there -- not saying they didn't want him there.

It's a bit like blaming an abandoned mom for not wanting dad around.

[NASpurs]

The fuck is YOU doing back?

Still hoping the Spurs trade for Tyson Chandler. That was his shtick right? It's been a while. :lol

[YGWHI]

You said he's been uncomfortable with the old guys for a long while now... your claim. Either he was or was not. If he was, as you claim, he didn't need to extend this charade.
:lol
I just said Parker/Manu didnt see Kawhi as MVP candidate/top player...

If both players think he's expendable -in a sense they trust in Pop finding a good/better replacement- this could be a good reason for saying what they said.

[Kawhitstorm]

Still hoping the Spurs trade for Tyson Chandler. That was his shtick right? It's been a while. :lol

Actually, hoping PATFO re-sign Pau/Fatty like Chinook wanted....he also said Murray will never be a starter in the league last year.:lmao (Pretty sure he's going to demand that Danny get a 4yr/80mill contract this summer)

Imagine if PATFO had settled for PJ Tucker for the exception & traded for Rubio like I had suggested instead of shelling 98mill on paper weight.:wakeup

[YGWHI]

No, you aren't - a lot of people bought into the media overhyping Parker/Manu's comments. But obviously you are blind to any reason about the Kawhi situation, if you believe that Parker/Manu have had a brewing animosity toward Kawhi for years. That's ridiculous.
How "this issue isn't new" becomes "brewing animosity toward him FOR YEARS"..

I was talking about Parker/Manu's perception of him as player, that they didn't see him as MVP candidate, as that type of player.

[Kori Ellis]

....

I was talking about Parker/Manu's perception of him as player, that they didn't see him as MVP candidate, as that type of player.

Still ridiculous.

[ElNono]

:lol
I just said Parker/Manu didnt see Kawhi as MVP candidate/top player...

If both players think he's expendable -in a sense they trust in Pop finding a good/better replacement- this could be a good reason for saying what they said.

Neither player expressed such, ever. They did say the exact opposite (I can quote). That's why I'm saying this is the first I heard of it.

But even taking you at face value, if that were to be true and Kawhi was aware of it, what was he waiting for? He could've moved on last summer, and stop with the injury charade (because the whole injury thing would be a charade right? The whole thing was Manu/Parker hate?).

This is why none of that makes sense. You should go back to the drawing board and re-asses, IMO.

[daslicer]

How "this issue isn't new" becomes "brewing animosity toward him FOR YEARS"..

I was talking about Parker/Manu's perception of him as player, that they didn't see him as MVP candidate, as that type of player.

:lol Of course they didn't see Kawhi as an MVP candidate for most of his time in SA since he didn't play at an MVP level until last year. So are you saying that Kawhi is pissed off because Manu and Tony have never praised him and worshiped him. Sounds pretty stupid to me.

[YGWHI]

:lol Obviously you are making up lies but if your going to be a good liar try to make up more realistic lies. Manu is one of the most selfless teammates to ever have played the game. It doesn't make any sense why he would have tension with Kawhi. He's not competing with Kawhi for minutes and points.
Where I said it was about minutes and points? I said they didnt see as MVP candidate...If they don't value him as one, they could think the team will find a good replacement for him in offseason.

Also, if they think that way I would understand why they talked about him in public.

[Kori Ellis]

Obviously YGWHI is just making up reasons for the rift without any basis. That's understandable because the whole situation is a mystery, so a super Kawhi fan is grasping for reasons how/why this situation happened. Same thing is happening on the other side - people fabricate that Kawhi is just being money-hungry, he's just a wuss, etc. No one knows the truth, except Kawhi and the Spurs... actually maybe just Kawhi.

[Das Texan]

Can't wait til we trade this fucking beta bitch.

Even if we can only get 75 cents on the dollar and send him somewhere he doesnt want to go just to spite him.

Fuck this bitch.

[SpursDynasty85]

Like I'm the only one guy in the world that think they threw him under the bus, right?

It's funny because most people here already know that Parker/Manu got roasted on Tw/IG, esp Parker, for saying it.

Your nitpicking media headlines that fit your liking now. All the media saying Kawhi is sitting out is false but media saying Tony was bashing Kawhi is true? I saw the interview, maybe you should try putting yourself in TP's shoes. Why should everyone defend him so much when he rarely talks to the team and he stays in NY with no word on when he will be back. They genuinely wanted to know instead of hearing it from the media.

[ElNono]

Obviously YGWHI is just making up reasons for the rift without any basis. That's understandable because the whole situation is a mystery, so a super Kawhi fan is grasping for reasons how/why this situation happened. Same thing is happening on the other side - people fabricate that Kawhi is just being money-hungry, he's just a wuss, etc. No one knows the truth, except Kawhi and the Spurs... actually maybe just Kawhi.

Pretty much, tbh... that's basically the whole story this summer... maybe Kahwi will have a heart to heart with Pop and move on, who knows?

The whole situation is surreal, as as you said, it's not really (just) the Spurs... Pop has been, should I say, more than his usual vocal self about 'Kawhi and his group'... but I don't know that bridges have been burned.

[Ice009]

How "this issue isn't new" becomes "brewing animosity toward him FOR YEARS"..

I was talking about Parker/Manu's perception of him as player, that they didn't see him as MVP candidate, as that type of player.

Are you fucking retarded??????? You don't remember after the Houston game last year when Kawhi won it with a 3 and the block on Harden, then after the game Manu said he was in AWE of Kawhi's talent when someone asked him about his reaction on the bench while watching it happen?

[daslicer]

Where I said it was about minutes and points? I said they didnt see as MVP candidate...If they don't value him as one, they could think the team will find a good replacement for him in offseason.

Also, if they think that way I would understand why they talked about him in public.

You said Manu and Tony had issues with Kawhi for a while. When you say someone has issues with somebody that means there is conflict and some personal type of beef going on. I'm old school I grew up during the 90's so when you say a teammate has issues with another I tend to believe its conflict like Robinson-Rodman,ZO-Larry Johnson, Kobe-Shaq. All those guys I listed had legit beefs that's what it seems like you were applying with Kawhi-Manu/Tony. Anyways how does Kawhi know they don't value him? Have they straight up told Kawhi to his face in the past that they didn't think he was that good of player? If they haven't said or done anything to him in the past you really don't have a legit argument when it comes to this claim.

Also your claim of them not seeing him as an MVP candidate based on them allegedly not commenting on him being an MVP candidate last year is retarded. I'm sure that is also a lie you have made up but I'm not going to waste my time looking up for quotes from last year. Anyways when teammates usually comment on their teammate potentially winning the MVP its usually comes from a question from the media where they will say "Hey Chris Paul do you believe Harden should get the MVP?. Hard for me to believe the media last year never asked Manu or Tony about Kawhi being an MVP candidate.

[YGWHI]

:lol Of course they didn't see Kawhi as an MVP candidate for most of his time in SA since he didn't play at an MVP level until last year. So are you saying that Kawhi is pissed off because Manu and Tony have never praised him and worshiped him. Sounds pretty stupid to me.
He was MVP runner-up in 2016 too. Anyway, I'm not saying he's pissed I said how Parker/Manu see him as player and the chance to trade him for good pieces would be the reason why they said what they said..Otherwise, they wouldn't have said anything

[Phenomanul]

Dumbass. Sevening isn’t a doctor, he’s the fucking athletic trainer. He patches owies during the game, and might tell the med staff “he’s favoring his leg” or arm, or can’t wipe his ass. He has nothing to do with medical decisions.

Ummm ok... no need to be a prick.

Point is, you don’t extend loyalty to the medical staff over an MVP-caliber, all-world player like Kawhi. If the real rift is between the Kawhi and the medical staff the business choice is obvious.

[daslicer]

Obviously YGWHI is just making up reasons for the rift without any basis. That's understandable because the whole situation is a mystery, so a super Kawhi fan is grasping for reasons how/why this situation happened. Same thing is happening on the other side - people fabricate that Kawhi is just being money-hungry, he's just a wuss, etc. No one knows the truth, except Kawhi and the Spurs... actually maybe just Kawhi.

There is something going on. Your right everybody is speculating but it doesn't look good when you look at all the scenarios.

[UZER]

The entire situation is unfortunate. Both sides have legit beefs.

The Spurs have been super patient and handled it, not perfectly, but well considering the circumstances.

Kawhi, who was given the keys to the franchise, has not handled it as well as a player in that role. He’s gone from quiet guy, to absolute recluse. You’re a professional athlete getting paid millions of dollars. You can’t go into hiding as the franchise player because you feel awkward socially. If it that hard and you’re that uncomfortable in that role, then you’re in the wrong business.

[YGWHI]

I saw the interview, maybe you should try putting yourself in TP's shoes. Why should everyone defend him so much when he rarely talks to the team and he stays in NY with no word on when he will be back.
Because it doesn't matter what a player is doing or not, teammates don't criticize him in public.

C's lost Hayward and Irving while Smart missed playoffs for a non-basketball injury. Did you hear teammates throwing him under the bus for his unprofessional behavior?

[Budkin]

Kori freakin’ Ellis!!!

[daslicer]

He was MVP runner-up in 2016 too. Anyway, I'm not saying he's pissed I said how Parker/Manu see him as player and the chance to trade him for good pieces would be the reason why they said what they said..Otherwise, they wouldn't have said anything

:lol So your logic is that they don't see him as a MVP player because they called him out for his injury and that if they viewed him as a legit MVP caliber player that they wouldn't have called him out. You still sound retarded with that logic.

[YGWHI]

Hard for me to believe the media last year never asked Manu or Tony about Kawhi being an MVP candidate.
So weird. Links we wont find Parker/Manu/LMA saying Kawhi deserved the award. SA media asked other guys on the team just not them. I wonder why...

[Kori Ellis]

Because it doesn't matter what a player is doing or not, teammates don't criticize him in public.


You actually consider this to be criticism?
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Your troll game is high, or your pain threshold is low.

[Kori Ellis]

Kori freakin’ Ellis!!!
Hi

[objective]

Regardless of what happens with Kawhi, Parker needs to be gone.

[SpursDynasty85]

Because it doesn't matter what a player is doing or not, teammates don't criticize him in public.

C's lost Hayward and Irving while Smart missed playoffs for a non-basketball injury. Did you hear teammates throwing him under the bus for his unprofessional behavior?

Again, those that saw the interview and understand Tony's situation. It was not a "dig" at Kawhi it was about his injury. The Spurs were calling both of their injuries the same thing except Tony ruptured his and Kawhi was feeling pain. That was his best recollection. He was also saying that he hopes Kawhi "stayed positive" throughout his rehabilitation and to come back strong. Like I said, and Kori said, you are picking sides. This is ridiculous to think Tony and Manu did anything for Kawhi to protest or be mad about. If you want to take his side just say he is trying to come back because if its anything about protesting against the Spurs besides "maybe" the injury mishandling, then that means Kawhi is the most sensitive man in basketball to me.

[YGWHI]

:lol So your logic is that they don't see him as a MVP player because they called him out for his injury and that if they viewed him as a legit MVP caliber player that they wouldn't have called him out. You still sound retarded with that logic.
I guess it's easier to talk shit about a teammate in public when you know he won't be on the team next season.

If they think he's expendable and trust in Pop in offseason, it sounds like a reason.

[ElNono]

just for the record, I'm cool with the storyline that Parker ran Kawhi out of town, tbh... :lol

[daslicer]

So weird. Links we wont find Parker/Manu/LMA saying Kawhi deserved the award. SA media asked other guys on the team just not them. I wonder why...

:lol Right so the SA media knew Manu,LMA,Parker didn't think Kawhi deserved the MVP so they didn't ask them that question. Again I have hard time believing the media never asked those 3 guys about Kawhi having an MVP season last year. I just believe your lying about that. To me you just seem butt hurt that Tony,Manu,LMA are not kissing Kawhi's ass.

[YGWHI]

Like I said, and Kori said, you are picking sides.
I'm not the only one picking sides on this.

However,I've said I support Kawhi because there aren't media reports nor his teammate comments that convince me he's faking an injury.

I truly believe he's injured and wont trust anyone that says or suggests that other thing is going. I'm transparent, I said this since day 1.



Again, those that saw the interview and understand Tony's situation. It was not a "dig" at Kawhi it was about his injury.
You already know "those" who thought that it wasn't a dig at him were a minority group.

[KimmyGib]

I think after all is said and done we're going to feel bad for Kawhi rather than hate him.

A mysterious impairment that won't heal. Expecting and hoping things improve but they never do. Not knowing himself the answers to the questions everyone is asking. Fans and media stirring shit up all around him. Feeling like he's letting everyone down. Too ashamed to even appear at games. Possible chronic condition that leads to a complete career collapse.

Well, I give The Klaw the benefit of the doubt, and wish him a full recovery no matter where he ends up.

[YGWHI]

:lol Right so the SA media knew Manu,LMA,Parker didn't think Kawhi deserved the MVP so they didn't ask them that question.
I guess they knew more than that.


Again I have hard time believing the media never asked those 3 guys about Kawhi having an MVP season last year. I just believe your lying about that. To me you just seem butt hurt that Tony,Manu,LMA are not kissing Kawhi's ass.
I think it's weird they didn't talk about his MVP candidacy like the rest of the team. I didn't hear/read anything from them about..If you find some stuff just post it here.

[daslicer]

I guess it's easier to talk shit about a teammate in public when you know he won't be on the team next season.

If they think he's expendable and trust in Pop in offseason, it sounds like a reason.

What you define as shit talking is pretty weak in my eyes. Go watch 19:00 and 27:47 to get an idea what constitutes as shitting on a teammate in public. Also watch from 28:42 till 31:00 to get an idea of why Kawhi has shitty leadership skills. It would give you a clear cut answer to why allegedly Manu,Tony, and LMA don't like Kawhi.

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[daslicer]

I guess they knew more than that.


I think it's weird they didn't talk about his MVP candidacy like the rest of the team. I didn't hear/read anything from them about..If you find some stuff just post it here.

I'm not going to waste my time trying to find stuff. Like I said before you are making up lies but your just not good at it.

[Ice009]

Because it doesn't matter what a player is doing or not, teammates don't criticize him in public.

C's lost Hayward and Irving while Smart missed playoffs for a non-basketball injury. Did you hear teammates throwing him under the bus for his unprofessional behavior?

What happened to Marcus Smart? He's not playing in the playoffs, and he doesn't have an injury?


Hi

Hi Kori, hope you've been well. Are we allowed to post full articles now? I thought back in the day someone tried to rip off LJ saying he was stealing material from them (I know he wasn't), so I thought we're not allowed to post full articles from that point on.

Also, what is your opinion and also Timvp's on whether or not you think Kawhi will be a Spur next season?

[YGWHI]

Obviously YGWHI is just making up reasons for the rift without any basis.
Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows.
Before anyone on NBA media, I was talking about the Spurs medical staff, about their supposed summer mistake.
When everyone said he wants out I said he was working to return before Woj's report...
When Kawhi said it's a new injury I said it wasn't true because I knew it was from last season, I gave reasons why he said it, at the same time I explained since when he had the issue...
I was never wrong about a Kawhi's update. Again, who knows.



What happened to Marcus Smart? He's not playing in the playoffs, and he doesn't have an injury?
Non-basketball injury = off court injury.

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/04/marcus-smart-punched-wall-frustration-boston-celtics-los-angeles-lakers-instagram/

[YGWHI]

I'm not going to waste my time trying to find stuff.
Seems fair. I'm not going to waste my time watching your Kobe video either.


Like I said before you are making up lies but your just not good at it.
Don't worry. We'll have a long summer to tell who is lying.

[polandprzem]

Playoffs here

Bar is raised

Kori posted




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yet another "it's kinda looks this way" article which tells us nothing.

[SpursDynasty85]

I'm not the only one picking sides on this.

However,I've said I support Kawhi because there aren't media reports nor his teammate comments that convice me he's faking an injury.

I truly believe he's injured and wont trust anyone that says or suggests that other thing is going. I'm transparent, I said this since day 1.



You already know "those" who thought that it wasn't a dig at him were a minority group.

I believe most people see the quote and think "yea" that's bad but the interview was nothing of the sort but I guess you dont care to see the interview or would much rather go with a "story".

[daslicer]

Seems fair. I'm not going to waste my time watching your Kobe video either.


Don't worry. We'll have a long summer to tell who is lying.

:lol You have all the time in the world to watch that video since your Kawhi's butler. Don't worry Kawhi is not going to be making a house check anytime soon with him not being in San Antonio right now.

[daslicer]

I guess it's easier to talk shit about a teammate in public when you know he won't be on the team next season.

If they think he's expendable and trust in Pop in offseason, it sounds like a reason.

:lol Actually clear proof at 56 second mark in this clip that it wasn't just Manu who didn't respect Kawhi but also Duncan. You may be on to something.

xHBA-g524Ak

[baseline bum]

Can't wait til we trade this fucking beta bitch.

Even if we can only get 75 cents on the dollar and send him somewhere he doesnt want to go just to spite him.

Fuck this bitch.

75 cents? Try 35 cents most likely.

[YGWHI]

Don't worry Kawhi is not going to be making a house check anytime soon with him not being in San Antonio right now.
Not really. His gf&baby daughter are still here...:lol

[MaNu4Tres]

So good to see Kori back in action and talk sense to the Kawhi stans on this site.

[MaNu4Tres]

I agree with objective, Parker needs to retire or go play in France -- he's done.

[Avitus1]

Had to do a double take when I saw Kori. Like old times....

[YGWHI]

:lol Actually clear proof at 56 second mark in this clip that it wasn't just Manu who didn't respect Kawhi but also Duncan. You may be on to something.
I won't re-watch it. I remember they were talking about a rookie guy, not the player he was in last two seasons. Just stop posting vids :lol

[Play Boban]

Can't wait til we trade this fucking beta bitch.

Even if we can only get 75 cents on the dollar and send him somewhere he doesnt want to go just to spite him.

Fuck this bitch.

[tholdren]

Kori freakin’ Ellis is gay!!!

[spursfan09]

So what’s the flip side of that? Spurs show loyalty to those who show them loyalty. Ginobili and Parker earned everything they have! Kawhi could have to but he doesn’t want to play. Doesn’t want to be here. Seems like he wants nothing to do with the spurs.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Hi Kori :)

[cutewizard]

:boboi mii
ss Diaw

[spursistan]

:lol You have all the time in the world to watch that video since your Kawhi's butler. Don't worry Kawhi is not going to be making a house check anytime soon with him not being in San Antonio right now.
:lmao..

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

As I've said many times, my hope is that this whole situation boils down to just being a perplexing injury that Kawhi is completely focused on solving, and everything else is just hype. We'll see.



Hey Kori! Your presence raises the collective IQ in here considerably. This is the first thread in a while that hasn't immediately spiraled into a troll thread. Welcome back...if ever so briefly.

[MaNu4Tres]

As I've said many times, my hope is that this whole situation boils down to just being a perplexing injury that Kawhi is completely focused on solving, and everything else is just hype. We'll see.



Hey Kori! Your presence raises the collective IQ in here considerably. This is the first thread in a while that hasn't immediately spiraled into a troll thread. Welcome back...if ever so briefly.

Kori basically has said what many of us have said the past 3 months. Brought common sense and rationale into this Kawhi saga. But of course, the biased Kawhi/Spurs fans never wanted to listen, but now they do...

[nym]

Serious question for all the Kawhi fans, particularly the ones who want/advocate for him to go to a larger market.

If you guys can't take the criticism (e.g. get really upset/annoyed) that he is getting on this forum how are y'all gonna handle Lakers, or Celtics, or Knicks or wherever fans who are not gonna be okay with him shying away from media, not being active on social media, or just in general being a reserved player who is äll about basketball¨. Because those fan bases and media people are super demanding and are used to their franchise player being really vocal both on & off court.

[DPG21920]

Unless some news comes out I’m done discussing Kawhi. You’re a Spur or you aren’t. It’s playoffs

[offset formation]

:boboi mii
ss Diaw

Me too. What a good cohesive guy to have on your team.

Probably would have been the perfect guy for the impasse between the two sides.

[Texas_Ranger]

Unless some news comes out I’m done discussing Kawhi. You’re a Spur or you aren’t. It’s playoffs

This.

Seeing all this threads about Kawhi is just boring already.

[bklynspursfan]

Fwiw Kawhi's sister had an Instagram post from a couple weeks ago and she was rocking a Spurs shirt :wakeup

[ducks]

Fwiw Kawhi's sister had an Instagram post from a couple weeks ago and she was rocking a Spurs shirt :wakeup

Did she have a nice rack?

[Ron Swanson]

Asking the important questions.

[YGWHI]

Kori basically has said what many of us have said the past 3 months.
"us" sounds weird when you talked about his uncle and LA in those months while I was the guy saying those rumors weren't true...

[daslicer]

"us" sounds weird when you talked about his uncle and LA in those months while I was the guy saying those rumors weren't true...

:lol I guess being Kawhi's butler must have great perks. Do you have a great relationship with Kawhi like this butler down below had with Trump? Also does Kawhi like to be called master Kawhi or master Leonard?

-sslP9LInEM

[YGWHI]

Serious question for all the Kawhi fans, particularly the ones who want/advocate for him to go to a larger market.
There isn't in this forum a single Kawhi's fan that wats him to sign with a big market-team or any other tem. I never read it.

As Kawhi's fans on ST, we have dabom (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=47543) who loves the Spurs and still expects that Kawhi will play next week..(Let it go, bro) duncan2k5 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=237) the biggest Tim's fan here that wants Kawhi to stay, Kawhi m8 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49658) who said he'll change his nickname (..lol), and me.
Not sure about what Kawhitstorm (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49655) thinks about this since he wasnt on ST in last months but the majority group don't want to see him on other team.

[YGWHI]

:lol I guess being Kawhi's butler must have great perks.

At least you didnt say percs.. :lol











Before you say a word. NO. Nothing about that. ZERO. The guy barely drinks.

[Kawhitstorm]

There isn't in this forum a single Kawhi's fan that wats him to sign with a big market-team or any other tem. I never read it.

As Kawhi's fans on ST, we have dabom (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=47543) who loves the Spurs and still expects that Kawhi will play next week..(Let it go, bro) duncan2k5 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=237) the biggest Tim's fan here that wants Kawhi to stay, Kawhi m8 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49658) who said he'll change his nickname (..lol), and me.
Not sure about what Kawhitstorm (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49655) thinks about this since he wasnt on ST in last months but the majority group don't want to see him on other team.

I just want him to rub his nut sacks on Poop face if PATFO re-sign Porker. He could sign with the Bucks or Jazz if that happens for all I care.:wakeup

[exstatic]

At least you didnt say percs.. :lol











Before you say a word. NO. Nothing about that. ZERO. The guy barely drinks.

The expression is actually perqs, which is short for perquisites.

Definition of perquisite. 1 : a privilege, gain, or profit incidental to regular salary or wages; especially : one expected or promised. 2 : gratuity, tip.

[YGWHI]

I just want him to rub his nut sacks on Poop face if PATFO re-sign Porker. He could sign with the Bucks or Jazz if that happens for all I care.:wakeup

Well, we know what you think now.

Anyway, if they want to trade him I've said before that Utah could be the perfect fit, they need an elite SF and the Spurs can take some of their young guards...I doubt Jazz puts Gobert in the trade, who wouldn't like to see a defensive frouncourt with Kawhi-Gobert in Utah?

This would be a slap in the face to those who says Kawhi wants a bigger market than SA, it was never about it,

[YGWHI]

The expression is actually perqs, which is short for perquisites.

Definition of perquisite. 1 : a privilege, gain, or profit incidental to regular salary or wages; especially : one expected or promised. 2 : gratuity, tip.

Thanks. It was just a joke but it's nice to know this.

[Proxy]

Been wondering if Kawhi is on the spectrum. Seems like a thing that could explain how not sitting with the team and checking in with the media could happen. Reminds me of those insanely great artists and musicians that can't function socially. Just hermit people that have social cues go over their head entirely. Just too ridiculous of a thing for him to not even be with the team right now and maybe why pain tolerance could have a different effect on him than the normal basketball athlete we're used to.

Driving an old truck because it's paid for, missing the point of media questions on the regular, improving at the rate he did... kinda seems to me like there's a possibility. Ha, or I'm just not willing to accept that he slipped through all of our noses as some massive douche.

[baseline bum]

Well, we know what you think now.

Anyway, if they want to trade him I've said before that Utah could be the perfect fit, they need an elite SF and the Spurs can take some of their young guards...I doubt Jazz puts Gobert in the trade, who wouldn't like to see a defensive frouncourt with Kawhi-Gobert in Utah?

This would be a slap in the face to those who says Kawhi wants a bigger market than SA, it was never about it,

Yeah dumbass that's all the Spurs need is more shitty guards.

[MannyIsGod]

Been wondering if Kawhi is on the spectrum. Seems like a thing that could explain how not sitting with the team and checking in with the media could happen. Reminds me of those insanely great artists and musicians that can't function socially. Just hermit people that have social cues go over their head entirely. Just too ridiculous of a thing for him to not even be with the team right now and maybe why pain tolerance could have a different effect on him than the normal basketball athlete we're used to.

Driving an old truck because it's paid for, missing the point of media questions on the regular, improving at the rate he did... kinda seems to me like there's a possibility. Ha, or I'm just not willing to accept that he slipped through all of our noses as some massive douche.

Thats actually plausible.

[YGWHI]

Yeah dumbass that's all the Spurs need is more shitty guards.
No. What the Spurs need is ELITE guards, not this bunch of Forbes, Patty, Parker, Danny... Unlike our horrible perimeter, Jazz has young guards with so much potential

[Brazil]

I dont have issue with posters siding kawhi like dat ygwhi kawhi uncle but I draw the line at 2 things:

1- if you are not even capable to recognize the fact that kawhi not showing any solidarity to the team or being present the support his team mates is an issue, gtfo you are not a spurs fan just a player fan and for that you go fuck yourself

2- if you bitch about pop manu tony giving their thought and showing they are disappointed and frustrated again go fuck yourself go root for the new kawhi team

[spursistan]

I dont have issue with posters siding kawhi like dat ygwhi kawhi uncle but I draw the line at 2 things:

1- if you are not even capable to recognize the fact that kawhi not showing any solidarity to the team or being present the support his team mates is an issue, gtfo you are not a spurs fan just a player fan and for that you go fuck yourself

2- if you bitch about pop manu tony giving their thought and showing they are disappointed and frustrated again go fuck yourself go root for the new kawhi team

:wow :tu

[SequSpur]

That article is a 1000 word essay of shit we already know. Kawhi is a puss. Like straight up puss. I'm not going to sugar coat it.. Here is a few more things...

Pop and RC have mismanaged this roster. Pop has lost his fan base with his political rants. The Spurs have serious culture issues now and maybe on their way out of San Antonio. If Vegas drop 2 billion on this ownership, they are gone.

The Spurs need a new arena, end of discussion.

Hi Kori!

[dbestpro]

The only way Kawhi goes to LA this off season is if SA trades him there and I can’t see that happening.

Ingram, kuzma, Randle, a future number one, sign and trade Lopez for Leonard and Mills.

[YGWHI]

I dont have issue with posters siding kawhi like dat ygwhi kawhi uncle but I draw the line at 2 things:

1- if you are not even capable to recognize the fact that kawhi not showing any solidarity to the team or being present the support his team mates is an issue, gtfo you are not a spurs fan just a player fan and for that you go fuck yourself

It's an issue. At the same time I believe they don't want him there. Things are broken and Kawhi being on the bench will be just a provocation and a distraction.


2- if you bitch about pop manu tony giving their thought and showing they are disappointed and frustrated again go fuck yourself go root for the new kawhi team

If Kawhi would have questioned his teammates in front of media I would have said the same, don't wash dirty laundry in public. It doesn't matter if is Parker, Manu or Kawhi, I dont like this stuff from anyone.

[emanueldavidginobili]

I am not knocking the guy for being injured, but this guy is completely detached from this team. Anyone else that was injured and wasn't even with the team during the playoffs would be getting CRUCIFIED. Ive lost so much respect for him and some for the organization by doing this game by game shit with his return to injury management stuff.