SF, SF, SF, Small Forwards, Small Forwards

[Fusternino]

nah

I'd move whatever assets necessary to get Sekou. Easy decision.

[TimDunkem]

I am for any trade that gets Bryn Forbes off this team and end Pop's latest man-crush.

[SAGirl]

Now the team is working well and winning but until Gasol returns we won't know what will be the final rotation. Then we have to play some good teams in full strength and see what happens and then it will be clear what the roster exactly needs. I think all this will happen in the next weeks so PATFO will have in time the necessary info in order to work on potential trades.

Forbes is making his shots but Marco, Davis too and White is showing he deserves to play starter minutes. Brynn biggest contribution is scoring, just the area of the game best covered in this team. To me, it makes sense to take advantage of his market value and trade him for a physical and defensive player. I'd add Toronto's pick as Spurs still have his own 1st round and, what it's more important to me, they already have a handful of young players to develop in the mid/long term, being 3 of these players guards as well.

The Spurs could probably look for a physical forward, able to play good defense and important minutes at the SF-PF. This player would fill Cunningham's role, making him dispensable. So that could be a reasonable pack: Forbes, Cunningham and Toronto's pick. What can Bufford get for that?

Interesting.

[SAGirl]

wouldn't make sense since he's expiring. Forbes and a 2nd rounder maybe. But that would also mean that either Mills has to start or DeRozan moves back to SG. With Derrick White not being much of an offensive threat that could create problems. Especially when Johnson is also not a good shooter. I see them rather moving Gasol since he's been out and the team really doesn't need a 3rd big at this point.
This is also interesting. I also see the situation with Gasol in real flux. I don't think Pop should want to eliminate minutes for Jakob.

[sasaint]

wouldn't make sense since he's expiring. Forbes and a 2nd rounder maybe. But that would also mean that either Mills has to start or DeRozan moves back to SG. With Derrick White not being much of an offensive threat that could create problems. Especially when Johnson is also not a good shooter. I see them rather moving Gasol since he's been out and the team really doesn't need a 3rd big at this point.

Moving Gasol is a great idea, but Pop isn't trading his primo, wine-sipping Euro. Pau has real culture.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Moving Gasol is a great idea, but Pop isn't trading his primo, wine-sipping Euro. Pau has real culture.

I tend to agree, my hope is Gasol will get spot minutes with LMA, maybe in SL for first 4-6 minutes or so of each half unless we are playing against one of the few big teams. My fear is Jakob is gonna end up sitting a lot and hurt the development of a younger asset for a guy that is clearly in the twilight of his career.

The other thing that I think PATFO should explore is trading LMA and rolling with Jakob/Pau. Obviously you wouldn't do this without getting a real asset in return (late lottery pick, combo of young player + pick, starting caliber SF that fits with future plan, etc.)

Will not happen but one can dream. Also not a LMA hater, I just don't see him adjusting his game as he ages like DRob or Duncan. I think he is going to want his touches and his last couple years could get pretty ugly as he launches fadeaways, declines athletically, and gives even less consistent effort. It's a shame because he has skill set to continue still be effective as he ages if he wanted just don't see him accepting a substantial reduced role with grace.

[sasaint]

I tend to agree, my hope is Gasol will get spot minutes with LMA, maybe in SL for first 4-6 minutes or so of each half unless we are playing against one of the few big teams. My fear is Jakob is gonna end up sitting a lot and hurt the development of a younger asset for a guy that is clearly in the twilight of his career.

The other thing that I think PATFO should explore is trading LMA and rolling with Jakob/Pau. Obviously you wouldn't do this without getting a real asset in return (late lottery pick, combo of young player + pick, starting caliber SF that fits with future plan, etc.)

Will not happen but one can dream. Also not a LMA hater, I just don't see him adjusting his game as he ages like DRob or Duncan. I think he is going to want his touches and his last couple years could get pretty ugly as he launches fadeaways, declines athletically, and gives even less consistent effort. It's a shame because he has skill set to continue still be effective as he ages if he wanted just don't see him accepting a substantial reduced role with grace.

I missed the game last night. Apparently LMA played one of his rare physical games in the low post...

I could not agree more. I have suggested numerous times offering LMA and DeMar for Beal and Porter. I do not like LMA, and I am rather ambivalent about DeMar. But Porter could resurrect his foundering career here and fill a huge hole for us, and I would rather have a 3-point threat than DeMar.

[TD 21]

The "might give him away" part of that article is encouraging.


Really think the obsession with Stan is out of control. Dude hasn't been a good player in the NBA. He's been mostly terrible offensively, and hasn't played D nearly good enough to make up for it. I could get wanting him if he got bought out, like with Corey Brewer back in the day. I could even see something like Beli and Pon for Bullock and Johnson. But giving up a first-rounder? Nah. At least give Ben Moore some games first to show he can't come in and do as much as Stan can. There will be good players available in the late-first. PATFO didn't get to make a trade for Johnson a couple of years ago, and they have Derrick White as a result. I'd rather them find a good player like maybe Wilkes and have four years and a solid developmental plan.

It's not an obsession; it's the reality of the situation. Most of the names discussed ad nauseam are lacking in at least one of these areas: physically in some capacity in terms of defending big wings; volume 3-point shooting; age.

Johnson is a rare player who checks all boxes (he's just a poor percentage 3-point shooter) and can probably be had for relatively little. That's a difficult combination to find.

You're ignoring the line this organization is trying to straddle, which is win now while re-building. He fits with that. A 28th-30th pick more than likely won't. If/when it's likely to be ready to contribute, Aldridge and Gay will probably be past their prime. That pick is also unlikely to have the upside Johnson does.

[marinoman]

I don’t really care for Stanley Johnson. Who else you guys eyeing

[Chinook]

The "might give him away" part of that article is encouraging.



It's not an obsession; it's the reality of the situation. Most of the names discussed ad nauseam are lacking in at least one of these areas: physically in some capacity in terms of defending big wings; volume 3-point shooting; age.

Johnson is a rare player who checks all boxes (he's just a poor percentage 3-point shooter) and can probably be had for relatively little. That's a difficult combination to find.

You're ignoring the line this organization is trying to straddle, which is win now while re-building. He fits with that. A 28th-30th pick more than likely won't. If/when it's likely to be ready to contribute, Aldridge and Gay will probably be past their prime. That pick is also unlikely to have the upside Johnson does.

Nah, Johnson's had four years to show he's not a severe net-negative. To put it into perspective, Cun was WAY better his first four years in the league. I'm not going to try to come up here and say PATFO will or won't do something, but that doesn't make giving up a first for Johnson anything but a terrible deal. I mean, I guess he could become unexpectantly great, but I don't see any reason to believe he'd be better than what they can draft, seeing as they picked White, Murray, Milutinov (who's better than Johnson even if he never comes over) and Anderson with their last four late-firsts. This draft class is shaping up to have a number of good forward prospects in the middle of the draft, in addition to the forward-heavy early lottery. There are definitely guys I think are more intriguing than Johnson projected to go around or a bit after 30.

[Boomersgold]

International with FIBA experience, 6-9, can stroke the three, former DPOY and plays all positions (point-forward that can spend limited minutes at 5). Athletic. Trade Cunningham for him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI05xwGs4SI

[TD 21]

Alternate version: Johnson, Leuer, Ellenson for Gasol and a 2nd.

Pistons add $1M this season, but deduct $2.7M (difference between Leuer and Gasol's guarantee), plus whatever Johnson would cost if retained, for next season.

Spurs would waive Ellenson and Pondexter immediately. If Johnson were re-signed for $7M or less, they'd effectively spend MLE type money on him and Leuer for next season. But outside of re-signing Gay and the 2 1sts, they'd effectively be set.



Nah, Johnson's had four years to show he's not a severe net-negative. To put it into perspective, Cun was WAY better his first four years in the league. I'm not going to try to come up here and say PATFO will or won't do something, but that doesn't make giving up a first for Johnson anything but a terrible deal. I mean, I guess he could become unexpectantly great, but I don't see any reason to believe he'd be better than what they can draft, seeing as they picked White, Murray, Milutinov (who's better than Johnson even if he never comes over) and Anderson with their last four late-firsts. This draft class is shaping up to have a number of good forward prospects in the middle of the draft, in addition to the forward-heavy early lottery. There are definitely guys I think are more intriguing than Johnson projected to go around or a bit after 30.

I'm not arguing that he's been good; he irrefutably hasn't been overall and in an ideal world, I wouldn't make this trade. In the predicament they're in, considering what they're trying to do and the positivies about him I've mentioned, I would.

Also, he's just 22, is one of the rare players who can credibly guard the best big wings (Leonard couldn't do anything against him earlier this season and it wasn't "missing shots he normally makes"; it was not getting shots he normally takes) and context is everything for 99% of players. Suffice it to say, his has been far from ideal.

[BackHome]

International with FIBA experience, 6-9, can stroke the three, former DPOY and plays all positions (point-forward that can spend limited minutes at 5). Athletic. Trade Cunningham for him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI05xwGs4SI


YES YES would probably require our second round pick though. Or I wonder if we could work out sennding Gasol to them?

[BackHome]

To bad we did not Bring over Hanga that would have made a big difference I think.

[DAF86]

Hanga. Can't. Shoot.

[DAF86]

Do you imagine a perimeter of Murray, DeRozan and Hanga? :lol

Damn, that would be some ugly ass basketball.

[vander]

Alternate version: Johnson, Leuer, Ellenson for Gasol and a 2nd.

Pistons add $1M this season, but deduct $2.7M (difference between Leuer and Gasol's guarantee), plus whatever Johnson would cost if retained, for next season.

Spurs would waive Ellenson and Pondexter immediately. If Johnson were re-signed for $7M or less, they'd effectively spend MLE type money on him and Leuer for next season. But outside of re-signing Gay and the 2 1sts, they'd effectively be set.




I'm not arguing that he's been good; he irrefutably hasn't been overall and in an ideal world, I wouldn't make this trade. In the predicament they're in, considering what they're trying to do and the positivies about him I've mentioned, I would.

Also, he's just 22, is one of the rare players who can credibly guard the best big wings (Leonard couldn't do anything against him earlier this season and it wasn't "missing shots he normally makes"; it was not getting shots he normally takes) and context is everything for 99% of players. Suffice it to say, his has been far from ideal.

22 and can guard Leonard? Get him over here.

I really hope we trade Gasol, this or next year, for a SF. His partially guaranteed deal has value right? Need more minutes for Jakob and need to play Gay at PF most of the time.

[spin8]

If this Spurs team is so dead set on making the playoffs, I'd rather they just keep their draft picks.

There is no trade that will make them significantly better to make a deep run.

Let's not forget that fourteen out of the fifteen teams in the West all think they have a legit chance at making the playoffs, making them all buyers in trades. To make matters worse, they're all looking for the same final piece the Spurs are, 3-and-D wings. If we're looking to the East to grab that kind of difference maker, only four teams (Bulls, Cavs, Hawks, and Knicks) are willing to be sellers, and looking through their rosters, I just don't see a player that will move the needle significantly.

The other hurdle? The Spurs aren't willing to sacrifice their "cooperate knowledge" to go get that player.

It should be evident by now, through Pop's own comments and from what we've gathered from local media, that the team is going to ride and die with the DeRozan/LMA/Gay core and all the pieces that surround them. Use whatever scheme or game plan works to mask the team's current weaknesses and hold steady until the end. Perhaps the buy-out market will provide something, but I just don't know. It honestly shouldn't be counted on to provide anything of actual worth this season.

If that's the case, then the Spurs should at least see it through without being desperate and throw away young prospects considering this core's collective age. They sure as hell are not getting any younger.

DeRozan is going to be 30 next season. Both Aldridge and Gay (if he decides to resign here and not go ring chasing) will both be 34, with past injury profiles that should scare anyone. Aldridge has reportedly had both heart and knee problems. Gay will continue to deal with the lasting effects of his recent ACL injury so long as he plays. Who knows how long both have to perform at their current level. We've already seen signs of Aldridge's effort and game-to-game consistency start to go down.

Furthermore, I'd rather have an overabundance of youth on the team and not just be fine with what the Spurs have in their stable. Murray, Poeltl, Walker, and Metu are all solid prospects, but no front office with good sense turns down acquiring more young talent. Doing so denies yourself any chance for someone to suddenly breakout and become a star. Keeping those draft picks at least insures you have more chances.

You only give up those picks if there's another all-star quality player you can trade for.

Of course, building through the draft is not a one-hundred percent guarantee to improve the team's chances at staying relevant. The players picked could be busts (although if you have so much faith in the Spurs' front office, then why would you be so pessimistic thinking that both picks will be busts?), but it's a better path to a championship given the current circumstances, especially if the team will never give tanking a consideration.

[Fusternino]

If this Spurs team is so dead set on making the playoffs, I'd rather they just keep their draft picks.

There is no trade that will make them significantly better to make a deep run.

Let's not forget that fourteen out of the fifteen teams in the West all think they have a legit chance at making the playoffs, making them all buyers in trades. To make matters worse, they're all looking for the same final piece the Spurs are, 3-and-D wings. If we're looking to the East to grab that kind of difference maker, only four teams (Bulls, Cavs, Hawks, and Knicks) are willing to be sellers, and looking through their rosters, I just don't see a player that will move the needle significantly.

The other hurdle? The Spurs aren't willing to sacrifice their "cooperate knowledge" to go get that player.

It should be evident by now, through Pop's own comments and from what we've gathered from local media, that the team is going to ride and die with the DeRozan/LMA/Gay core and all the pieces that surround them. Use whatever scheme or game plan works to mask the team's current weaknesses and hold steady until the end. Perhaps the buy-out market will provide something, but I just don't know. It honestly shouldn't be counted on to provide anything of actual worth this season.

If that's the case, then the Spurs should at least see it through without being desperate and throw away young prospects considering this core's collective age. They sure as hell are not getting any younger.

DeRozan is going to be 30 next season. Both Aldridge and Gay (if he decides to resign here and not go ring chasing) will both be 34, with past injury profiles that should scare anyone. Aldridge has reportedly had both heart and knee problems. Gay will continue to deal with the lasting effects of his recent ACL injury so long as he plays. Who knows how long both have to perform at their current level. We've already seen signs of Aldridge's effort and game-to-game consistency start to go down.

Furthermore, I'd rather have an overabundance of youth on the team and not just be fine with what the Spurs have in their stable. Murray, Poeltl, Walker, and Metu are all solid prospects, but no front office with good sense turns down acquiring more young talent. Doing so denies yourself any chance for someone to suddenly breakout and become a star. Keeping those draft picks at least insures you have more chances.

You only give up those picks if there's another all-star quality player you can trade for.

Of course, building through the draft is not a one-hundred percent guarantee to improve the team's chances at staying relevant. The players picked could be busts (although if you have so much faith in the Spurs' front office, then why would you be so pessimistic thinking that both picks will be busts?), but it's a better path to a championship given the current circumstances, especially if the team will never give tanking a consideration.

I still think Aldridge should age well. BTW, he did put up a couple 3's recently and his stroke looked good. He just needs to shoot 2-4 a game just like Pau does.

I agree on not using picks to get a 3&D guy this season as OPJ isn't looking very available. Like I said I'd rather Spurs eat Gallinari's salary and try to get him to play defense and be the ones getting assets from the Clippers.

The draft has Sekou in the late lottery and De'Andre likely in the late lottery. Giving away Blossomgame was a really bad idea . . .

[BackHome]

Agree with everything except Blossom I think Ben Moore is a better player.

Whar is going to piss me off this summer is if they don’t move Gasol and Forbes and let Cunningham and Poindexter go. We have 3 draft picks and those 3 should bring more talent then what is going out. We desperately need a starting SF and would like another big to replace Gasol

[Fusternino]

Blossomgame looks to potentially be an average shooter from range. That was the main issue with him, previously.

[Fusternino]

BTW, Lou Williams just hit a total garbage shot. He 'bout to get delusional?

[cd021]

I still think Aldridge should age well. BTW, he did put up a couple 3's recently and his stroke looked good. He just needs to shoot 2-4 a game just like Pau does.

I agree on not using picks to get a 3&D guy this season as OPJ isn't looking very available. Like I said I'd rather Spurs eat Gallinari's salary and try to get him to play defense and be the ones getting assets from the Clippers.

The draft has Sekou in the late lottery and De'Andre likely in the late lottery. Giving away Blossomgame was a really bad idea . . .


I have given up on Aldridge ever becoming a 3pt shooter. Him being a permanent 5 helps to mitigate that because he is still an excellent midrange shooter and allows for another shooter to play alongside him.

I think the Spurs should be all in on getting a long-term wing to fit with their long-term pieces ( Murray, White, Walker IV, Poeltl) ideally a bigger wing that can toggle between the 3 & 4 allowing for all five to share the floor in lineups in a hypothetical lineup several years off.

It matters a ton where the Spurs finish; if the Spurs finish with the 19th pick and the 28th pick then I think it would be worth attempting to trade up several spots by dangling the 28th pick in addition to the 19th, to say the 13th or 14th pick. Forbes would also be a good trade chip in place of the 28th pick.

I still don't know what Blossomgame is; he has no range as a wing and plays more like a super undersized 4.

[Fusternino]

We'll been hitting well over 35% of his 3's on the season.

Glad we're on the same page on Forbes being a trade chip now.

[cd021]

]I tend to agree, my hope is Gasol will get spot minutes with LMA, maybe in SL for first 4-6 minutes or so of each half unless we are playing against one of the few big teams. My fear is Jakob is gonna end up sitting a lot and hurt the development of a younger asset for a guy that is clearly in the twilight of his career. [/B]

The other thing that I think PATFO should explore is trading LMA and rolling with Jakob/Pau. Obviously you wouldn't do this without getting a real asset in return (late lottery pick, combo of young player + pick, starting caliber SF that fits with future plan, etc.)

Will not happen but one can dream. Also not a LMA hater, I just don't see him adjusting his game as he ages like DRob or Duncan. I think he is going to want his touches and his last couple years could get pretty ugly as he launches fadeaways, declines athletically, and gives even less consistent effort. It's a shame because he has skill set to continue still be effective as he ages if he wanted just don't see him accepting a substantial reduced role with grace.


I think that might be something Pop tries; Forbes, DDR, Gay, Gasol, and LMA for the first 7 minutes of each half and maybe a 3 or 4-minute stint in the 2nd. That's 14-18 minutes per game and shouldn't affect Poeltl's minutes too much.

[cd021]

We'll been hitting well over 35% of his 3's on the season.

Glad we're on the same page on Forbes being a trade chip now.

6-16 is small sample size for sure, but we'll see.

:lol you were right on Forbes tbh. Took a lot for that to happen but still, he is a trade chip for sure. 12ppg, 42% 3pt while only making $2.7 million next season. I think that our pick + Forbes to a team that is a few spots up (say Washington depending on where they fall) would be worthwhile because they'd be getting a cheap rotation player and while still having a decent pick post-trade.

[Chinook]

Anyone watch Nebraska? I'm trying to figure out why Isaiah Roby wouldn't be the steal of the draft is he lasts until 30. He's arguably the best defensive player in the nation right now. He's 6-8 with a 7-3 wingspan, and he has above-average skill and athleticism. I could see his offense keeping him from being a lottery pick, but 30?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIAe4jBkIs0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KsHFcEjjyI&t=70s

Only 20 on top of that.

[BackHome]

A couple of mocks has us drafting him at 30 or we could go with Matisse Thybulle in the second round 6’’6 SF with 7’0 wingspan need to read his story Pop would love the kid he is all about defense and all about the team

[RC_Drunkford]

Anyone watch Nebraska? I'm trying to figure out why Isaiah Roby wouldn't be the steal of the draft is he lasts until 30. He's arguably the best defensive player in the nation right now. He's 6-8 with a 7-3 wingspan, and he has above-average skill and athleticism. I could see his offense keeping him from being a lottery pick, but 30?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIAe4jBkIs0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KsHFcEjjyI&t=70s

Only 20 on top of that.

Are there any SFs in the 20 range with good defense and a reliable 3-point shot?

[ace3g]

bump.

[Prime BEEF]

Markis McDuffie from Wichita St is legit 3 and D guy. Also 6’8” SF that can create his own shot. Will likely go early 2nd round but would be a good choice with our Toronto pick

[BackHome]

I don’t think he will get drafted much like Wantabe from last year. But would love the Spurs to sign him to a two way contract they fucked up by not getting Wantabe hope RC doesn’t do it again.

[gambit1990]

why hasn’t aminu been a spur? smh PATFO. the dude has always been available for cheap.

[RC_Drunkford]

I want Bazemore. Would be a great addition and good fit for the SL

[XDT76]

Agree with everything except Blossom I think Ben Moore is a better player.

Whar is going to piss me off this summer is if they don’t move Gasol and Forbes and let Cunningham and Poindexter go. We have 3 draft picks and those 3 should bring more talent then what is going out. We desperately need a starting SF and would like another big to replace Gasol

Looking at the current situation I rather we move mills and keep forbes

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1078687248525201408

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1078691916521357312

[objective]

A couple of mocks has us drafting him at 30 or we could go with Matisse Thybulle in the second round 6’’6 SF with 7’0 wingspan need to read his story Pop would love the kid he is all about defense and all about the team

I've started watching some Washington games to see Thybulle and I'd be fine with him with the Toronto pick. His defensive stats are incredible, but I worry that because they only play zone and he gets to roam and sneak I don't know how legit his defense is at the NBA level. Can he stay in front of NBA athletes? Can he fight around screens? Hard to tell with him just zoning.

But I do like that he has legit size. Maybe not legit SF size, but I've seen him listed at 6-5 and he's definitely that. Contrast that with Leguentz Dort who is listed 6-5 and I peg at 6-3.

I haven't watched a lot of Roby but he just looks like a PF to me. Reminds me of a smaller DJ Wilson.

One other name that's interesting at Toronto pick could be Deividas Sirvydas. The kind of skinny, long shooter who could get a bump if teams start trying to find the next Kurucs.

[Ignazzz]

Call to Wizz

Wall is leaning toward undergoing the season-ending surgery, which was prescribed by specialist today, league sources said. He will make decision final next week. Surgery route will fully heal the bone spurs that have nagged him for years and allow him to perform at full steam.

[ace3g]

Stanley Johnson DNP tonight :stirpot:

[emanueldavidginobili]

Stanley Johnson DNP tonight :stirpot:
Yeah they got killed by the Bucks too and still didn’t get garbage minutes. Wonder why tbh is he in the dog house?

[TD 21]

I saw that and it was despite him being one of their two logical Antetokounmpo defenders. It's probably just him struggling obviously, but it caught my eye all the same . . . as did Leuer playing 25 minutes.



Alternate version: Johnson, Leuer, Ellenson for Gasol and a 2nd.


Pistons add $1M this season, but deduct $2.7M (difference between Leuer and Gasol's guarantee), plus whatever Johnson would cost if retained, for next season.

Spurs would waive Ellenson and Pondexter immediately. If Johnson were re-signed for $7M or less, they'd effectively spend MLE type money on him and Leuer for next season. But outside of re-signing Gay and the 2 1sts, they'd effectively be set.

[Chinook]

FFS Johnson's not that good.

And you can't "immediately waive" players to avoid going over the 15-man limit. They'd have to include Pon in the trade or waive him prior and do something else with another guy to make this happen.

[TD 21]

FFS Johnson's not that good.

And you can't "immediately waive" players to avoid going over the 15-man limit. They'd have to include Pon in the trade or waive him prior and do something else with another guy to make this happen.

Whatever. The point is, if the teams wanted it to happen, it easily could. Above all else, I hope it happens for this very reason: just to piss you off . . .



I'm not arguing that he's been good; he irrefutably hasn't been overall and in an ideal world, I wouldn't make this trade. In the predicament they're in, considering what they're trying to do and the positives about him I've mentioned, I would.

Also, he's just 22, is one of the rare players who can credibly guard the best big wings (Leonard couldn't do anything against him earlier this season and it wasn't "missing shots he normally makes"; it was not getting shots he normally takes) and context is everything for 99% of players. Suffice it to say, his has been far from ideal.

[Chinook]

Whatever. The point is, if the teams wanted it to happen, it easily could. Above all else, I hope it happens for this very reason: just to piss you off . . .



I'd've quoted you if I were responding to you exclusively. I was replying to the general puzzlement for Stan getting a DNP.

Of course a trade between Detroit and SA could happen if both sides wanted it. Johnson's salary is small enough to give the teams a lot of options. Doesn't mean a three-for-one is one of those options, though.

[TD 21]

I'd've quoted you if I were responding to you exclusively. I was replying to the general puzzlement for Stan getting a DNP.

Of course a trade between Detroit and SA could happen if both sides wanted it. Johnson's salary is small enough to give the teams a lot of options. Doesn't mean a three-for-one is one of those options, though.

Of course it doesn't mean that, but in addition to what I've said, this would accomplish 3 things. 1) Preserve the Raptors 1st. 2) Get out of and do right by Gasol. 3) Effectively complete or close the books on the scumbag trade because the roster would have the balance is currently lacks.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/detnewsRodBeard/status/1080309492829573120

https://twitter.com/Keith_Langlois/status/1080309198452416512

[look_at_g_shred]

https://twitter.com/detnewsRodBeard/status/1080309492829573120

https://twitter.com/Keith_Langlois/status/1080309198452416512
It’shappening.gif lol

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/chicagobulls/status/1081045371789459456

[Chinook]

Spurs are 5-1 against the elite SFs in the league.

[ace3g]

The Dallas Mavericks have expressed interest in trading for Wizards forward Otto Porter (https://www.slamonline.com/tag/otto-porter/), according to The Athletic’s Michael Scotto (https://theathletic.com/743769/?redirected=1).

[skin27]

We don’t need an SF if pop we’re going to play Murray and white together at starting five because derozan will play the SF position..


pick your poison either trade white/Murray or get a 3andD SF

[RC_Drunkford]

We don’t need an SF if pop we’re going to play Murray and white together at starting five because derozan will play the SF position..


pick your poison either trade white/Murray or get a 3andD SF

we still need an SF cause the PF position gets played by PFs nowadays and Gay is injury prone

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/DemanPlan/status/1081547374273748992

[FkLA]

What about Rodney Hood? Can't believe he's back in CLE on a 1-yr, $3.4 mill deal. Using the MLE or part of it on him would've been much better than splurging it on the Italian traffic cone. Just turned 26, can probably re-sign him on a relatively friendly deal, and we know PopaGOAT and the Spurs player development personnel will get the most out of him.

Murray/Walker + Pondexter works, tbh.

[Chinook]

Hood sucks, and he doesn't even have Bird rights. Why do you think he's on such a cheap deal?

[FkLA]

He had a ton of promise in UTA just a year or two ago and he was supposed to be the biggest get for CLE last year in that trade. I wouldn't say he sucks. Didn't even think about him not having bird rights though. That complicates things.

[Chinook]

He had a ton of promise in UTA just a year or two ago and he was supposed to be the biggest get for CLE last year in that trade. I wouldn't say he sucks. Didn't even think about him not having bird rights though. That complicates things.

Nah, he sucks. "Promise" doesn't mean anything. Homeboy was a below-average player his whole Jazz career. If you were talking about bringing him into camp or something, that would be one thing. But when you bring up a controversy about trading Murray for "the right guy" and then posit that that guy could be Hood, it comes off poorly. I would hesitate to trade Cun for Hood right now, let alone anyone with value.

[FkLA]

Nah, he sucks. "Promise" doesn't mean anything. Homeboy was a below-average player his whole Jazz career. If you were talking about bringing him into camp or something, that would be one thing. But when you bring up a controversy about trading Murray for "the right guy" and then posit that that guy could be Hood, it comes off poorly. I would hesitate to trade Cun for Hood right now, let alone anyone with value.

I don't think he's that bad. And with the history the Spurs have of making useful players out of physically limited guys (Mason, Neal, Forbes, etc) I think they'd get plenty out of a guy with actual physical tools. Trading Cunn for him would be a no brainer. Murray or Walker, I wasn't trying to insinuate trading them for Hood would also be a no brainer as much as I was just throwing it out there. I'd be hesitant to do it. Lack of bird rights makes it a resounding no.

[Pavlov]

I would like to see Moore called up to take a look at his hustle in the NBA, but he really needs to develop an outside shot quickly if he wants to stick.

[SAGirl]

I don't think he's that bad. And with the history the Spurs have of making useful players out of physically limited guys (Mason, Neal, Forbes, etc) I think they'd get plenty out of a guy with actual physical tools. Trading Cunn for him would be a no brainer. Murray or Walker, I wasn't trying to insinuate trading them for Hood would also be a no brainer as much as I was just throwing it out there. I'd be hesitant to do it. Lack of bird rights makes it a resounding no.
I do remember forbes making Hood look like a superstar tbh. I don't think forbes is starting material due to defensive issues. He tries hard, etc. It's not his effort. He has been alright in the RS but we shall see what happens in the playoffs. I do wish Forbes well and want the team to succeed. It's just that I am not sure Hood is better. It's not a clear cut thing to me and to make the starting lineup better it's really someone to eat into Forbes minutes they need.

[FkLA]

I do remember forbes making Hood look like a superstar tbh. I don't think forbes is starting material due to defensive issues. He tries hard, etc. It's not his effort. He has been alright in the RS but we shall see what happens in the playoffs. I do wish Forbes well and want the team to succeed. It's just that I am not sure Hood is better. It's not a clear cut thing to me and to make the starting lineup better it's really someone to eat into Forbes minutes they need.

I was the first one on Forbes' bandwagon but it was never for him to be a starter. He's starting out of necessity. He's a solid, cheap bench piece. I'm picturing a 3&D guy at SF, move DD to SG, keep White at PG. Still give Forbes minutes with both units but yeah cut into them.

[Spurs da champs]

I would like to see Moore called up to take a look at his hustle in the NBA, but he really needs to develop an outside shot quickly if he wants to stick.

How has his defense looked in the G league?

[Pavlov]

How has his defense looked in the G league?Decent from what I've seen. Scrappy and athletic. Good shot blocker. I can see why they might think he's a better SF prospect than Blossomgame but he's got a ways to go.

I'm a little surprised he isn't starting since they really don't run plays for him anyway, but I guess Washburn spaces the floor better.

[SpurSpike]

Unit the Gasol brothers for Kyle Anderson?

[TimmyBuckets]

Any in this next draft that we'd be able to get?

[MaNu4Tres]

He had a ton of promise in UTA just a year or two ago and he was supposed to be the biggest get for CLE last year in that trade. I wouldn't say he sucks. Didn't even think about him not having bird rights though. That complicates things.

Hood sucks.

Trade Murray or Walker for him? Lol cmon bro.

[cd021]

We don’t need an SF if pop we’re going to play Murray and white together at starting five because derozan will play the SF position..


pick your poison either trade white/Murray or get a 3andD SF

Spurs don't have to trade White or Murray to acquire a 3 & D wing. I think that there is an increasingly large chance that a good wing prospect falls to them. There are a bunch of wing prospects that are supposed to be in this draft.

[skin27]

Spurs don't have to trade White or Murray to acquire a 3 & D wing. I think that there is an increasingly large chance that a good wing prospect falls to them. There are a bunch of wing prospects that are supposed to be in this draft.


the problem is the playing time..remember we have derozan too..

[cd021]

the problem is the playing time..remember we have derozan too..
Why is it necessary to trade White or Murray because of DDR?

2019-2020

Murray, Forbes, DDR, Gay, LMA
Mills, White, Beli/LWIV, Bertans, Poeltl
1st round (wing) Metu, Gasol?

After next season, Beli is probably usurped by Walker, Mills maybe gets fazed out or moved and White slides into a 6th man role, and hopefully, the potential wing selection will be able to slide into the rotation.

[ceperez]

Rodney Hood's salary is $3.4m . He's definitely better than both Cunningham and Pondexter combined. Too bad Spurs didn't pick him up.

I'm also very puzzled with Belinelli's off balance shots, why make a shot more difficult that necessary? Can he just play like JJ Redick?

[CGD]

Why is it necessary to trade White or Murray because of DDR?

2019-2020

Murray, Forbes, DDR, Gay, LMA
Mills, White, Beli/LWIV, Bertans, Poeltl
1st round (wing) Metu, Gasol?

After next season, Beli is probably usurped by Walker, Mills maybe gets fazed out or moved and White slides into a 6th man role, and hopefully, the potential wing selection will be able to slide into the rotation.

If White can be the PG of the future and Lonnie can be groomed to replace DDR eventually at the 2, why not to try to flip Murray for someone like the Lakers’ Ingram? Ingram’s value is low and he looks like a misfit with LBJ, and, while hurt now, Murray still has his luster from last year. White-Lonnie-Ingram-Portl would be a nice core to build around for a long time.

[ceperez]

If White can be the PG of the future and Lonnie can be groomed to replace DDR eventually at the 2, why not to try to flip Murray for someone like the Lakers’ Ingram? Ingram’s value is low and he looks like a misfit with LBJ, and, while hurt now, Murray still has his luster from last year. White-Lonnie-Ingram-Portl would be a nice core to build around for a long time.

White and Walker IV should be untouchable assets. You can't teach court vision like White. You can't teach athleticism like Walker IV.

Then there's Murray, who hasn't shown he can shoot. But is all defensive 2nd team NBA. Spurs need an elite SF because Gay is breaking down.

[TimmyBuckets]

If White can be the PG of the future and Lonnie can be groomed to replace DDR eventually at the 2, why not to try to flip Murray for someone like the Lakers’ Ingram? Ingram’s value is low and he looks like a misfit with LBJ, and, while hurt now, Murray still has his luster from last year. White-Lonnie-Ingram-Portl would be a nice core to build around for a long time.

Because Ingram is trash. Iso ball, bad attitude, not a good shooter. The KD moniker scared him. Murray is a proven defender and will only improve. Murray also has athleticism that "you can't teach" and length as well. Him and White can guard 1-3. A 3 and D would be nice, but trading any of the 3 youngsters for one is dumb unless his name is KD, Kawhi, Lebron. A starting lineup of Murray-White-Demar-Bertans-Aldridge looks good. You have 2 great defenders and 2 playmakers, and what Murray lacks in shooting (hell, he might be able to shoot now, but let's assume not) you make up for in White and Bertans. I actually prefer that over Forbes and Gay. Though, I am OK with Gay starting, but Forbes should def not start if Murray is back. Walker will be on the bench until he proves himself.

[rogcl1]

Rodney Hood's salary is $3.4m . He's definitely better than both Cunningham and Pondexter combined. Too bad Spurs didn't pick him up.

I'm also very puzzled with Belinelli's off balance shots, why make a shot more difficult that necessary? Can he just play like JJ Redick?

He was a restricted free agent. Any reasonable offer was going to be matched by Cavs.

[Chinook]

Not a huge fan of Ingram, but Brandon for Murray makes much more sense than trying to trade him for awful Hood. Ingram has good size and play-making already. He's been overrated because he is a Laker, but when it comes to trying to hit on a cheap forward, that is an ideal scenario. Of course, LAL wouldn't do the trade, because Ingram has more value than Murray does.

[TimmyBuckets]

What about the new draft class? Any SFs that would fall to us or worth looking at?

Jaylen Hoard
KZ Okpala
Nassir Little
Sekou Dombouya

https://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft

[R. DeMurre]

I'd much rather give Chip Engelland another year to work with Murray, who is already an elite defender and rebounder. Ingram's shooting is shaky, so it's hardly even much of an upgrade over Murray's most glaring weakness, and despite the extra length I don't think Ingram will ever be the defender Murray is.
At this point, only a handful of top SFs are better than DeRozan playing that position, so I'm good with a three guard situation, especially if two of them are good defenders like White & Murray. If Ingram was an elite three point shooter, maybe. But it doesn't look like that's going to be the case.

[ceperez]

What about the new draft class? Any SFs that would fall to us or worth looking at?

Jaylen Hoard
KZ Okpala
Nassir Little
Sekou Dombouya

https://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft

Spurs pick likely at 23 and 30 (Assume Raptors with best record) and at 53.

Gay, Cunningham and Pondexter out of contract.

Gay likely may be signed and Pau Gasol stretched out. So there's just two spots for the two 1st round picks.

[BackHome]

People saying trade Murray are fucking idiots these are the same fools that were saying White sucks trade his ass at the when we drafted him and the beginning of this season. All three have enough time to learn and get better and if they stay healthy and continue to grow they can slide to replace Mills and Belli when there contracts are up.

I am glad we have depth as the injury bug has hit Murray, Walker, and White this year so having cheap depth is a good thing. Yeah

[ace3g]

With the calendar now striking Jan. 5, NBA teams can now sign free agents to 10-day contracts.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1081682678800437249

[Kobe'sAchilles]

There's no one out there that I would want as a SF. Better to just draft one. Maybe do some draft day trade and get a decent SF prospect, but sitting pat for now I think is the best move.

[picnroll]

Good target for next year is Wilson Chandler.

[cd021]

If White can be the PG of the future and Lonnie can be groomed to replace DDR eventually at the 2, why not to try to flip Murray for someone like the Lakers’ Ingram? Ingram’s value is low and he looks like a misfit with LBJ, and, while hurt now, Murray still has his luster from last year. White-Lonnie-Ingram-Portl would be a nice core to build around for a long time.

Cause I don't think Ingram is good, year 3 and he has yet to really prove that he is a good NBA player in my opinion.

There is no rush to move any one. I think White would be a great 6th man of the future who can come off the bench and play alongside Murray or Walker and probably play with both.

White, Murray, LWIV, Poeltl and 2 firsts are a much better core than swapping out Murray and adding Ingram.

[objective]

Good target for next year is Wilson Chandler.

I'm not so sure. He's a full time power forward, going to be 32 with a suspect injury history. Seems redundant if they keep Gay.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1082032313163268096

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1082028186530140160

[tbdog]

Pretty sure mccaw wants minutes but you replace Porndexter with him.

[Scottstarbuck785]

Chandler parsons just got bought out.........

[NASpurs]

I haven’t kept up with McCaw. What’s wrong with him? He’s 23, 6’7” and can shoot right?

[picnroll]

Originally I liked McCaw, not anymore. Streaky at best and not capable of defending SFs.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Ugh Cavs did him dirty.

[ace3g]

Ugh Cavs did him dirty.

Actually it looks like this was pre-planned with Cavs/McCaw.

[ceperez]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1082032313163268096

He's owed a ton of money, I wonder what the deal is here?

[lmbebo]

He's owed a ton of money, I wonder what the deal is here?


Grizzles want to dump his contract, $38 million, owed. Parsons wants to play (hasn't played since being medically cleared). Grizzlees essentially moving on from him.

Maybe if he gets bought out ...worth a try. Not worth trading for. Could maybe see him going to the Wiz for Otto porter if the Wiz want to get out into a shorter bloated deal

[Chinook]

Really gotta move on from Pon now. They can always just call him back if they can't find someone better. Or I guess they could eat his money and hold onto his contract for a trade.

I really don't think Cleveland did McCaw wrong there. Likely that was already agreed to so he could get his UFA status. Still, SA has their MLE left if they want to make a competitive offer.

[ace3g]

I also wouldn't mind if the Spurs decide to waive Q-Pon (contract becomes fully guaranteed if not waived by 1/7) and bring up Ben Moore or Huestis.

[Chinook]

Seriously, though, the Spurs should be ready to go after Covington. With Okogie, the Wolves may not have much interest in Walker, but Covington is worth a big offer. Something around Beli and Pondexter or in a week, Gasol for Covington and filler (obviously with assets added in) could push the Spurs to at least equal with Denver.

White, DeRozan, Covington, Gay/Forbes, Aldridge gives the team a chance to be an elite three-point shooting team and an elite D. It would also either get the "three-point lineup" on the bench or have Gay better able to platoon with the other designated scorers.

[picnroll]

Minty isn’t trading Covington for anything Spurs would be willing to offer.

[Chinook]

Minty isn’t trading Covington for anything Spurs would be willing to offer.

Why not?

[picnroll]

They value his defense as much as the Spurs do. Their defense is markedly better when he’s playing.

[Chinook]

They value his defense as much as the Spurs do. Their defense is markedly better when he’s playing.

Who values his D? Their defensive-first president and coach is no longer there.

[picnroll]

You really think they’d trade Covington for Beli and Pondexter or Gasol? If you could pull that off Spurs should hire you immediately.

[Chinook]

You really think they’d trade Covington for Beli and Pondexter or Gasol? If you could pull that off Spurs should hire you immediately.

That's the ballast, and I don't think it matters nearly as much as folks seem to be arguing. In terms of actual payment, I'm willing to offer anything not nailed down to add Cov to the current top seven.

[sasaint]

Seriously, though, the Spurs should be ready to go after Covington. With Okogie, the Wolves may not have much interest in Walker, but Covington is worth a big offer. Something around Beli and Pondexter or in a week, Gasol for Covington and filler (obviously with assets added in) could push the Spurs to at least equal with Denver.

White, DeRozan, Covington, Gay/Forbes, Aldridge gives the team a chance to be an elite three-point shooting team and an elite D. It would also either get the "three-point lineup" on the bench or have Gay better able to platoon with the other designated scorers.

I have been posting for over a year that Pop was never going to trade Patty, but I would be willing to trade Patty and Toronto's first for Covington.

[Spurs da champs]

Who values his D? Their defensive-first president and coach is no longer there.
Thibbs is done? Lmao.

[picnroll]

Would you give Mills or Forbes plus both next year picks for Covington whose on a long term contract?

[Fusternino]

Sekou could fall to late lottery due to bust concerns. De'Andre Hunter may be available in that range as well but his stock is rising.

[Mugen]

Gasol and the Toronto first for Covington. Good with throwing in rights to Militinov as well.

Not sure if it's possible, also not entirely clear on the restrictions on moving Covington since he was already traded. But acquiring RoCo without giving up their top 8 players and they'd be a comfortably a top 3 seed.....

[sasaint]

Gasol and the Toronto first for Covington. Good with throwing in rights to Militinov as well.

Not sure if it's possible, also not entirely clear on the restrictions on moving Covington since he was already traded. But acquiring RoCo without giving up their top 8 players and they'd be a comfortably a top 3 seed.....

Covington can be traded again, but Minny cannot package any other players in a trade involving Covington. T-pups can accept a package, just can't include Covington in an outgoing package.

[DAF86]

Gasol and the Toronto first for Covington. Good with throwing in rights to Militinov as well.

Not sure if it's possible, also not entirely clear on the restrictions on moving Covington since he was already traded. But acquiring RoCo without giving up their top 8 players and they'd be a comfortably a top 3 seed.....

Now that Thibs is gone it might be a possibility if they finally decide to go rebuild mode.

[Pavlov]

So....


We don't want to tank after all?

[pad300]

Gasol and the Toronto first for Covington. Good with throwing in rights to Militinov as well.

Not sure if it's possible, also not entirely clear on the restrictions on moving Covington since he was already traded. But acquiring RoCo without giving up their top 8 players and they'd be a comfortably a top 3 seed.....

If Wolves will take it, do it...

[Pavlov]

Uh, why does Minnesota give up on Covington?

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1082111045643186176

https://twitter.com/Twolves_PR/status/1082109669680779264

[R. DeMurre]

So....


We don't want to tank after all?

:lol

Yeah, where did all those folks go?

[widowmaker]

Patrick McCaw just got wavied bring him in.

[DAF86]

Uh, why does Minnesota give up on Covington?

To get assets for the future and clear cap space.

[Pavlov]

To get assets for the future and clear cap space.And the indication they want to actually do this is.....?

[DAF86]

And the indication they want to actually do this is.....?

Firing Thibs? According to rumours, he was the one that declined the 4 draft picks offer from the Rockets and preferred Covington and Saric. Now that he's gone, it might be a signal that the Wolves management finally decided to go rebuilding mode.

[Pavlov]

Firing Thibs? According to rumours, he was the one that declined the 4 draft picks offer from the Rockets and preferred Covington and Saric. Now that he's gone, it might be a signal that the Wolves management finally decided to go rebuilding mode.But if they just thought he sucked as a coach with this group it's just as easy to see their wanting to try to make the playoffs this season before operation get Gasol to blow shit up.

[skin27]

We don need a 3 and d sf if we’re going to play murray and white together at the starting 5

[CGD]

Covington can be traded again, but Minny cannot package any other players in a trade involving Covington. T-pups can accept a package, just can't include Covington in an outgoing package.

So basically Spurs can’t use Pau in such a trade for Covington bc of the salary difference? In addition to picks, would have to be Belli and Cunningham, or one of Mill or Gay.

[sasaint]

So basically Spurs can’t use Pau in such a trade for Covington bc of the salary difference? In addition to picks, would have to be Belli and Cunningham, or one of Mill or Gay.

Yes. My own proposal was Mills and 1st for Covington

[TD 21]

We don need a 3 and d sf if we’re going to play murray and white together at the starting 5

"We" do because neither of them can defend big wings (sure, White did an admirable job on scumbag for a game, but that's not sustainable) and a gimpy Gay, along with some minmal or fringe type, isn't enough.

The plan isn't to start Murray and White, it's to have White backup Murray. Think there's a good chance Forbes remains a starter for a while, but long term Walker projects as the answer.

[slick'81]

Chandler parsons anyone
:rollin

[sasaint]

"We" do because neither of them can defend big wings (sure, White did an admirable job on scumbag for a game, but that's not sustainable) and a gimpy Gay, along with some minmal or fringe type, isn't enough.

The plan isn't to start Murray and White, it's to have White backup Murray. Think there's a good chance Forbes remains a starter for a while, but long term Walker projects as the answer.

Whose plan?

[Chinook]

Covington can be traded again, but Minny cannot package any other players in a trade involving Covington. T-pups can accept a package, just can't include Covington in an outgoing package.

This, except remove the last period and add the phrase "for about a week, then they can trade with with no restrictions (except not back to Philly)." to the end.

[R. DeMurre]

Minnesota really screwed up when they maxed out Andrew Wiggins. His VORP and BPM had been negative all five years of his career.

This year his ORtg/DRtg is 100/114 for a net -14. That's almost unheard of amongst star players. Usually a nearly equal ORtg/DRtg is a warning sign.

I don't think anyone believes Wiggins is a max player. The real question is whether or not he's even an average player.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wiggian01.html

[TD 21]

Whose plan?

Mine . . . nah, it's just logical. If all 3 of Murray, White and Walker develop into the types of players they project to be, that will be their roles.

White alongside DeRozan and Murray makes no sense, since it turns him into a glorified spot up shooter and leaves the bench without a lead play maker. Though they're excelling without one now, they'll be even better with him joining them next season.

[sasaint]

This, except remove the last period and add the phrase "for about a week, then they can trade with with no restrictions (except not back to Philly)." to the end.

"For about a week"... ? Then I guess I misunderstand the rule. Covington has been in Minny for more than a week. He still cannot be sent to another team with any other Tpup - can he? Or are you saying "not until a certain date in about a week"?

[CGD]

Yes. My own proposal was Mills and 1st for Covington

If rebuilding is their plan, probably Belli+Cunningham is preferable (only 5.8m after this year) to taking Pattys long term money, no? Send Toronto’s pick and Forbes as the assets.

[sasaint]

Mine . . . nah, it's just logical. If all 3 of Murray, White and Walker develop into the types of players they project to be, that will be their roles.

White alongside DeRozan and Murray makes no sense, since it turns him into a glorified spot up shooter and leaves the bench without a lead play maker. Though they're excelling without one now, they'll be even better with him joining them next season.

My plan is different, even though it makes no sense.

[sasaint]

If rebuilding is their plan, probably Belli+Cunningham is preferable (only 5.8m after this year) to taking Pattys long term money, no? Send Toronto’s pick and Forbes as the assets.

I do not think Mills is necessarily seen as a liability. He has value to a team in need of outside shooting. He and a first is pretty good value - unless they do plan to really rebuild.

But I don't quite understand the rest of your post. Are you suggesting alternative trades? One: Belli + Dante; or alternatively, Two: Forbes + Toronto's pick? I don't think Two will match salaries. But perhaps I misunderstand your suggestion.

[Chinook]

"For about a week"... ? Then I guess I misunderstand the rule. Covington has been in Minny for more than a week. He still cannot be sent to another team with any other Tpup - can he? Or are you saying "not until a certain date in about a week"?

The restriction only last two months, and it'll be two months some time within the next week. After that, none of that stuff will apply. That could be as early as 1/9, but it could be 1/10 or 1/11, depending on when the trade was actually finalized.

[CGD]

I do not think Mills is necessarily seen as a liability. He has value to a team in need of outside shooting. He and a first is pretty good value - unless they do plan to really rebuild.

But I don't quite understand the rest of your post. Are you suggesting alternative trades? One: Belli + Dante; or alternatively, Two: Forbes + Toronto's pick? I don't think Two will match salaries. But perhaps I misunderstand your suggestion.

Sorry, I was confusing. I suggested Belli + Dante to essentially match salaries for Covington, and then the “assets” peice to the same trade (to entice Minni) could be Raps pick and Forbes if the 30th pick alone isn’t good enough for them. I do like Forbes, but the way he’s playing now Minni might see him as a cheaper version of Mills anyway.

[sasaint]

The restriction only last two months, and it'll be two months some time within the next week. After that, none of that stuff will apply. That could be as early as 1/9, but it could be 1/10 or 1/11, depending on when the trade was actually finalized.

Oh yeah, thanks.

[skin27]

"We" do because neither of them can defend big wings (sure, White did an admirable job on scumbag for a game, but that's not sustainable) and a gimpy Gay, along with some minmal or fringe type, isn't enough.

The plan isn't to start Murray and White, it's to have White backup Murray. Think there's a good chance Forbes remains a starter for a while, but long term Walker projects as the answer.



that’s what I think..we don’t need murray and white to start..but white Batter start alongside derozan..then Murray off the bench

[CGD]

The restriction only last two months, and it'll be two months some time within the next week. After that, none of that stuff will apply. That could be as early as 1/9, but it could be 1/10 or 1/11, depending on when the trade was actually finalized.

Interesting. Sending Pau out would be preferable, but spurs would likely have to take back another player too like a Bayless.

[sasaint]

Sorry, I was confusing. I suggested Belli + Dante to essentially match salaries for Covington, and then the “assets” peice to the same trade (to entice Minni) could be Raps pick and Forbes if the 30th pick alone isn’t good enough for them. I do like Forbes, but the way he’s playing now Minni might see him as a cheaper version of Mills anyway.

Okay. Might work. Minny would be planning on waiving a couple of guys post-trade, though. Maybe Cunningham and one of their own scrubs. So the trade would essentially be Forbes, Marco and a 1st for Covington. I am not sure how I would evaluate that deal from either side. (Unlike most ST posters, I actually like Forbes.) Getting rid of 2 of our 3-point guys while keeping Patty doesn't thrill me. But I am not Pop.

[BackHome]

We not doing any trades might as well just focus on 2019 draft which SF do you want to get drafted??

[Degoat]

Do y’all think the spurs trade their 2 first round picks and try to move up?

[r0drig0lac]

Minty isn’t trading Covington for anything Spurs would be willing to offer.

[RC_Drunkford]

If Covington is on the table for either Gasol or Mills I would be willing to add the Toronto pick and the Spurs 2020 first rounder. Getting Covington for one of them gets us back to contender status

[Ignazzz]

I agree.

Why should minny do such a shitty Trade with spurs?

[KDKSpurs24]

It’s like some of y’all are forgetting that Minnesota is in the WEST.. They definitely wouldn’t want to trade to another western conference team unless it’s last resort

[picnroll]

The assumption is that Minny is tanking and looking to acquire future assets. No indication of that and I think the firing of Thibs signals the opposite, they believe they’re underachieving, Thibs is unpopular and disruptive to team chemistry and brining in someone else in will make them a better team, improve their playoff chances. Spurs would have to trade assets that would improve the Pups chances this year even with subtracting Covington. Doubt anyone here is willing to trade Derozan or White. The knucklehead Duncan2k5 would trade Aldridge. A few would trade Murray or Walker but even that wouldn’t move the trade needle as those would be longer term moves.

We’re in the time of season where tens thousands of words will be splashed on Spurstalk about trades up until the trade deadline where nothing happens followed by a week or two of grousing.

[Chinook]

If a Cov trade does happen, it'd likely be much closer to the deadline. By then, we may see some real separation in the West. The Spurs don't really seem to need another SF to win regular-season games, so there's no real urgency on their part either. They can afford to see what the market bears out before potentially throwing assets at the issue. Still, I'd've put a call in about Cov, and I'd be refreshing my call log.

[picnroll]

Problem with expecting Minny to make a move based on tanking is that the trade deadline is only a month away and the way the West is going the only team that will likely feel they’re out of it are the Suns.

[picnroll]

Interesting post on rumor section of Hoopshype that one of the main reasons Thibs was fired was Pups are in a critical period for season ticket sales, sales are abysmal, they’re 29th in the league in attendance and Thibs was extremely unpopular with the fans. Tanking isn’t the way to improve season ticket sales.

[YGWHI]

Interesting post on rumor section of Hoopshype that one of the main reasons Thibs was fired was Pups are in a critical period for season ticket sales, sales are abysmal, they’re 29th in the league in attendance and Thibs was extremely unpopular with the fans. Tanking isn’t the way to improve season ticket sales.

I'm not sure that they are tanking. Wolves' FO just gave the fans what they wanted...Thibs' head on a plate.

[duncan2k5]

We not doing any trades might as well just focus on 2019 draft which SF do you want to get drafted??

This guy is smart... Every year we work ourselves up over possible trades and spurs never do anything

[Larry O]

Well, here's a weird situation: according to Woj in an ESPN article, the Cavs have waived Patrick McCaw on Sunday, just after having signed him to a $6M non-guaranteed contract deal. So, this makes the 6-7 shooting guard a RFA. Previously, the Worriers didn't want to match the offer, so the Cavs decided to pick him up. So he's available, but I think that there may be a money amount demand involved along with baggage from his manager/Dad(?), ala like No. 2, perhaps. I can see the Rocketts jumping all over this, but would the Spurs & fans have an intrest in him as well? GSG!!!

[DaBears]

SPURS are Guard heavy, no need for more mini minions, they need some jolly green giants. if Rudy goes down for any significant time SPURS are in trouble. PF/C/SF are what we need.. McCaw is not the answer nor would it make the team much better..
I would go for someone off the bucks roster though, they have some young talent over there.

[Dverde]

Well, here's a weird situation: according to Woj in an ESPN article, the Cavs have waived Patrick McCaw on Sunday, just after having signed him to a $6M non-guaranteed contract deal. So, this makes the 6-7 shooting guard a RFA. Previously, the Worriers didn't want to match the offer, so the Cavs decided to pick him up. So he's available, but I think that there may be a money amount demand involved along with baggage from his manager/Dad(?), ala like No. 2, perhaps. I can see the Rocketts jumping all over this, but would the Spurs & fans have an intrest in him as well? GSG!!!

:pop: He doesn’t seem over himself. Pass.

[pad300]

Well, here's a weird situation: according to Woj in an ESPN article, the Cavs have waived Patrick McCaw on Sunday, just after having signed him to a $6M non-guaranteed contract deal. So, this makes the 6-7 shooting guard a RFA. Previously, the Worriers didn't want to match the offer, so the Cavs decided to pick him up. So he's available, but I think that there may be a money amount demand involved along with baggage from his manager/Dad(?), ala like No. 2, perhaps. I can see the Rocketts jumping all over this, but would the Spurs & fans have an intrest in him as well? GSG!!!

What's going on is the Cavs and McCaw's people have an informal deal. McCaw was locked into GS by RFA status. He signed an UGA contract with the Cavs that was rich, so that GSW (or anyone else) wouldn't want to match, buts CLE didn't actually want either. This gets McCaw off RFA status. He will now wait out his waiver process (it's like a week), and sign a cheaper guaranteed contract with CLE (which GS would have matched)... it's a loophole in the CBA.

[Dverde]

Any chance Detroit moves Reggie Bullock? He’s shooting 40% from 3PT line and can play SF. He’s a free agent in the offseason.

[Chinook]

If Bullock can play the three, so can DeRozan.

[R. DeMurre]

The assumption is that Minny is tanking and looking to acquire future assets. No indication of that and I think the firing of Thibs signals the opposite, they believe they’re underachieving, Thibs is unpopular and disruptive to team chemistry and brining in someone else in will make them a better team, improve their playoff chances. Spurs would have to trade assets that would improve the Pups chances this year even with subtracting Covington. Doubt anyone here is willing to trade Derozan or White. The knucklehead Duncan2k5 would trade Aldridge. A few would trade Murray or Walker but even that wouldn’t move the trade needle as those would be longer term moves.

We’re in the time of season where tens thousands of words will be splashed on Spurstalk about trades up until the trade deadline where nothing happens followed by a week or two of grousing.


After maxing out Towns and Wiggins and getting Covington and Saric, I just don't see tanking as very likely. They probably have regrets about giving Wiggins so much money, but trading him (almost an impossibility) might actually make them better, not worse.

[sasaint]

SPURS are Guard heavy, no need for more mini minions, they need some jolly green giants. if Rudy goes down for any significant time SPURS are in trouble. PF/C/SF are what we need.. McCaw is not the answer nor would it make the team much better..
I would go for someone off the bucks roster though, they have some young talent over there.

True. I don't usually participate, but this season I kind of got sucked into the speculation pool. It passes a little time and does give the brain a little bit to work on... :lol

[sasaint]

After maxing out Towns and Wiggins and getting Covington and Saric, I just don't see tanking as very likely. They probably have regrets about giving Wiggins so much money, but trading him (almost an impossibility) might actually make them better, not worse.

Wiggins is theirs almost as much as Wall is the Wiz's.

[R. DeMurre]

Wiggins is theirs almost as much as Wall is the Wiz's.

I discovered something statistically hilarious yesterday on the Basketball Reference website:
The player with the closest Similarity Scores to Wiggins after 4 seasons is......

Matt Bonner.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wiggian01.html (scroll towards the bottom)

[sasaint]

I discovered something statistically hilarious yesterday on the Basketball Reference website:
The player with the closest Similarity Scores to Wiggins after 4 seasons is......

Matt Bonner.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wiggian01.html

:lmao :toast

Matty be demanding some back pay...

[Mr. Body]

Spurs aren't making any trades. With this chemistry? No way. They'll have trouble enough handling Gasol, and he's super-veteran and won't make waves. Adding some unknown at this point is ludicrous.

[GreekSpursfan]

If you have a superstar mvp calliber player then you make whatever is possible, trades whatever in order not to waste his productive years. We dont have that here so Pop is gonna stick to what he has. You dont give away picks or assets like that.

[pad300]

If Bullock can play the three, so can DeRozan.

Derozan can play the 3, yes. But if you play him at the 2, he has a physical advantage... Maximizing his advantage is a positive for the team.

I'm not sure if Bullock is gettable - he's playing 30 mpg for the Pistons on a cheap contract ($2.5 Million), and they are trying to make the playoffs... Nor am I sure he's a fit; he's Danny Green sized, but he's not a strong defensive player.

[objective]

Problem with expecting Minny to make a move based on tanking is that the trade deadline is only a month away and the way the West is going the only team that will likely feel they’re out of it are the Suns.

Covington is out for 'extended time' (https://www.canishoopus.com/2019/1/4/18168555/robert-covington-to-miss-extended-time-with-bone-bruise-minnesota-timberwolves-nba) with a knee bone bruise.

No timetable that I could find for how long he'll be out, could be a month, could be after the deadline even. If he is out another month, Wolves could be far enought back in the playoff picture even in the west that they might be inclined to tank for the rest of the season. They're 2-2 without him including 2 straight blowout wins, so maybe they'll be fine.

While it doesn't make any sense for Minnesota to trade him even for picks, they don't always do rational things. If they were willing to deal Covington, I'd hope the Spurs threw both firsts and the rights to Milutinov if that's what it took. Even if that meant involving Sacramento and sending Pau+Milutinov to the Kings to send Koufos to MIN to give them savings now and even more savings next year. Even though Covington wasn't good in the playoffs, he's still a two-way player on a great contract. Makes less than Mills and can start and finish.

[Dverde]

Derozan can play the 3, yes. But if you play him at the 2, he has a physical advantage... Maximizing his advantage is a positive for the team.

I'm not sure if Bullock is gettable - he's playing 30 mpg for the Pistons on a cheap contract ($2.5 Million), and they are trying to make the playoffs... Nor am I sure he's a fit; he's Danny Green sized, but he's not a strong defensive player.

Yeah, he isn’t as big as I thought. He is 6’7 with a fat looking face, but his skinnier than I thought, probably better off playing SG. I think he would be a nice depth pickup. He could be helpful when injuries come up. I’m going to watch him closely when they play the Pistons. Looking at all the non-playoff teams, he seemed like a good trade candidate. My guess is Detroit wants to keep him. Spurs would probably have to give up a draft pick for him.

[MaNu4Tres]

Covington is out for 'extended time' (https://www.canishoopus.com/2019/1/4/18168555/robert-covington-to-miss-extended-time-with-bone-bruise-minnesota-timberwolves-nba) with a knee bone bruise.

No timetable that I could find for how long he'll be out, could be a month, could be after the deadline even. If he is out another month, Wolves could be far enought back in the playoff picture even in the west that they might be inclined to tank for the rest of the season. They're 2-2 without him including 2 straight blowout wins, so maybe they'll be fine.

While it doesn't make any sense for Minnesota to trade him even for picks, they don't always do rational things. If they were willing to deal Covington, I'd hope the Spurs threw both firsts and the rights to Milutinov if that's what it took. Even if that meant involving Sacramento and sending Pau+Milutinov to the Kings to send Koufos to MIN to give them savings now and even more savings next year. Even though Covington wasn't good in the playoffs, he's still a two-way player on a great contract. Makes less than Mills and can start and finish.

Give Lonnie a crack at it first before unloading assets.

[sasaint]

Give Lonnie a crack at it first before unloading assets.

Lonnie is a SG, not a permanent solution to the SF problem

[objective]

Give Lonnie a crack at it first before unloading assets.

Disagree. Because Covington has 2.5 inches on Lonnie, is locked in for 3 more years and there's not even a lot of room on the roster for keeping 2 firsts as is. If they keep Gay and stretch Pau, add the two firsts and that gets them to 14 spots. 1 spot for the MLE if they can even spend it. Maybe two spots if they do a draft and stash on one of the picks.

If they can consolidate on a player who can play defense, has size for his position, and doesn't need the ball and can play off of Aldridge and DeRozan, I hope the Spurs would do so.

[MaNu4Tres]

Disagree. Because Covington has 2.5 inches on Lonnie, is locked in for 3 more years and there's not even a lot of room on the roster for keeping 2 firsts as is. If they keep Gay and stretch Pau, add the two firsts and that gets them to 14 spots. 1 spot for the MLE if they can even spend it. Maybe two spots if they do a draft and stash on one of the picks.

If they can consolidate on a player who can play defense, has size for his position, and doesn't need the ball and can play off of Aldridge and DeRozan, I hope the Spurs would do so.

Gay, and Belinelli wont last very long on this team. Gay is breaking down, and doesn't project to age well & Belinelli at best has 1 more year. I would not give up 2 1sts for Covington. I like Lonnie, and a lot of wings in the range Spurs are set to pick from.

[MaNu4Tres]

Lonnie is a SG, not a permanent solution to the SF problem

In today's NBA Lonnie can play the 2 or 3. He can defend 3 positions, like White.

Skillsets > labeled positions.

In the perfect world sure, I wish Lonnie was 6'8" w out the hair, instead of with the hair.

[objective]

Gay, and Belinelli wont last very long on this team. Gay is breaking down, and doesn't project to age well & Belinelli at best has 1 more year. I would not give up 2 1sts for Covington. I like Lonnie, and a lot of wings in the range Spurs are set to pick from.

I like Lonnie also, but if the Spurs hold up mostly healthy for the rest of the year, they'll have both picks in the 20s. Not a lot of big wings who can contribute right away to be found in the 20s. On top of that, they have to worry about Aldridge and DeRozan (but particularly Aldridge) aging out of any kind of contention hopes. There won't even be that much cap relief if say Aldridge was let go because soon enough Murray and Poeltl will be eligible to get paid.

[MaNu4Tres]

I would try this rotation:

LA - Rudy - DeMar - Lonnie - White

Yak - Bertans - Beli or Mills - Forbes

Before selling our 2 1sts & Milutinov for Covington.

[sasaint]

In today's NBA Lonnie can play the 2 or 3. He can defend 3 positions, like White.

Skillsets > labeled positions.

In the perfect world sure, I wish Lonnie was 6'8" w out the hair, instead of with the hair.

Different perspectives. I would rather have a legit SF and LWIV for some swing duty.

[sasaint]

I would try this rotation:

LA - Rudy - DeMar - Lonnie - White

Yak - Bertans - Beli or Mills - Forbes

Before selling our 2 1sts & Milutinov for Covington.

That is an incomplete trade scenario. Salaries won't match. Part of the deal is also getting rid of Mills or Gasol. That's why some posters are adding a second first and/or Milutinov.

[MaNu4Tres]

Different perspectives. I would rather have a legit SF and LWIV for some swing duty.

I'd rather keep the picks and see if Lonnie can D up like White can. Lonnie also offers more versatility where he can utilize his deeper tool box in secondary playmaking opportunities.

Spurs need to keep drafting & developing prospects and not let a Covington stop that momentum. Plus, Lonnie is for real.

[MaNu4Tres]

That is an incomplete trade scenario. Salaries won't match. Part of the deal is also getting rid of Mills or Gasol. That's why some posters are adding a second first and/or Milutinov.

Im aware of that. I was mentioning the parts I care about.

[objective]

I would try this rotation:

LA - Rudy - DeMar - Lonnie - White

Yak - Bertans - Beli or Mills - Forbes

Before selling our 2 1sts & Milutinov for Covington.


Different perspectives. I would rather have a legit SF and LWIV for some swing duty.

I'm with sasaint.

I want Walker to play as well. But I would happily trade 2 unknowns + Milutinov for a locked in, in his prime, two-way player who has size at SF.

And I post that even though I might be the biggest Milutinov booster on this site and there's a player I really like for the end of the first round that I think would fit great (Thybulle). But there's no player who can be had next year on the MLE that will be as good as Covington. Not Stanley Johnson, nobody.

And if the Spurs get rid of Gay and Pau for next year, they still will be over the cap. Then they'll have to use the MLE just to replace what they got out of Gay. Doing that means they can't improve the roster more than just keeping Gay and using the MLE, and in neither scenario does Milutinov get signed anyway.

[Mugen]

Covington is worth one of the following, certainly not all: Spurs 1st round pick, Toronto 1st round pick, and rights to Milutinov. I'd be okay if the spurs gave up the rights to Milutinov considering they've probably done their due diligence on him.

It's already an unrealistic trade but if Minny asked for all of those, I'd tell them to F off considering RC has seemingly hit on at least 2 of the last first round picks. RoCo is really good but he's not that good.

[objective]

And I would be for any trade this year that helps, not just Covington. I would like a trade for Porter, as potentially hamstringing as that would be. Don't know if I would do both firsts and Milutinov, but definately 1+Milutinov I think is justified.

a Deal for Covington that works in the trade machine right now:

Pau + Milutinov to Sacramento, Koufos + 2 firsts to MIN, Covington to SA

a Deal for Porter that works right now:

Pau + Milutinov to Sacramento, Koufos + Mills + 1 first to MIN, Porter to SA

Basically I don't see the point in letting Milutinov and 2 firsts who would likely be years away from contributing (like White and Walker and Murray et al) get in the way of giving Pop his best chance to win next year. Milutinov's days are looking numbered as is. He's boxed in by the presence of Poeltl and the likely need to spend the MLE on either a new SF or a Gay replacement.

[MaNu4Tres]

And I would be for any trade this year that helps, not just Covington. I would like a trade for Porter, as potentially hamstringing as that would be. Don't know if I would do both firsts and Milutinov, but definately 1+Milutinov I think is justified.

a Deal for Covington that works in the trade machine right now:

Pau + Milutinov to Sacramento, Koufos + 2 firsts to MIN, Covington to SA

a Deal for Porter that works right now:

Pau + Milutinov to Sacramento, Koufos + Mills + 1 first to MIN, Porter to SA

Basically I don't see the point in letting Milutinov and 2 firsts who would likely be years away from contributing (like White and Walker and Murray et al) get in the way of giving Pop his best chance to win next year. Milutinov's days are looking numbered as is. He's boxed in by the presence of Poeltl and the likely need to spend the MLE on either a new SF or a Gay replacement.

I dont think theyll need to use the MLE if they draft two guys they really like. I lost hope for DeAndre Hunter -- he will go too high. I have my eyes on Brandon Clarke and Ignas Brazdeikis. If they can get both, wow. Clarke would be fantastic at the 4 and add so much to the defense. Just needs to work on his 3 ball. PJ Washington and Tucker are others I like.

I would give up Milutinov, Belinelli, Cunningham, Pondexter, Raptors 1st for Covington

Then sell Pau to a team w tax issues, take on salary for 19/20 and get another 1st for 2020.

Only use the MLE for a great opportunity. Dont use it just to use it.

[Ignazzz]

od Givony’s

1. Zion Williamson PF Duke
2. R.J. Barrett SG/SF Duke
3. Nassir Little SF UNC
4. Ja Morant PG Murray St.
5. Cam Reddish SF Duke
6. Romeo Langford SF Indiana
7. Darius Garland PG Vanderbilt
8. Jarrett Culver SG Texas Tech
9. Keldon Johnson SF Kentucky
10. Sekou Doumbouya PF Limoges France
11. Kevin Porter PG/SG USC
12 De'Andre Hunter PF Virginia
13. Rui Hachimura PF Gonzaga
14. Jaxson Hayes C Texas
15. Bol Bol C Oregon
16. Jontay Porter C Missouri
17. Nickeil Alexander-Walker PG/SG Virginia Tech
18. PJ Washington PF Kentucky
19. KZ Okpala SF/PF Stanford
20 Luguentz Dort SG Arizona St.
21. Daniel Gafford C Arkansas
22. Tre Jones PG Duke
23. Brandon Clarke PF Gonzaga
24. Talen Horton-Tucker SF Iowa St.
25. Ayo Dosunmu PG Illinois
26. Coby White PG/SG UNC
27. Luka Samanic PF Olimpija Adriatic
28. Grant Williams PF Tennessee
29. Admiral Schofield SF/PF Tennessee
30. Eric Paschall PF Villanova

hunter out of range
clarke my fav so so.
Iggy maybe

Wake Forest ? Hoard

[BackHome]

Wow we think alike Objective I am going to have to follow your post more closely. Lol. I have also been on the small bandwagon of bringing Nikola over since I think Gasol is pretty much done exceptionally since his foot injury. As far as drafts obviously we need a SF which I also love (Thebulle) he is the type of player that Pop will love and make him a much better player. But he will be in second round I am thinking we draft one foreign player in the first to not have to pay so much contracts.

[sasaint]

I also wouldn't mind if the Spurs decide to waive Q-Pon (contract becomes fully guaranteed if not waived by 1/7) and bring up Ben Moore or Huestis.

Q-Pon's day is today? What time? Midnight? Any word from the Spurs? Surely they don't plan to guarantee a guy who has barely seen the court.

[Pavlov]

Q-Pon's day is today? What time? Midnight? Any word from the Spurs? Surely they don't plan to guarantee a guy who has barely seen the court.It's a good question. I'm sure they'd be basing a decision on whether he has made any progress physically in practice. I really don't see any of these fantasy trades happening. If there's enough cap room left for another minimum deal I could even see the Spurs' keeping Qpon until something happens with Parsons or Huestis (HE HIT A JUMPER SATURDAY).

[Chinook]

In today's NBA Lonnie can play the 2 or 3. He can defend 3 positions, like White.

Skillsets > labeled positions.

In the perfect world sure, I wish Lonnie was 6'8" w out the hair, instead of with the hair.

Walker can't play the three, not in the sense folks here actually mean it. They mean classic threes who are now mostly playing the four. Walker can't guard those. He's not even a particularly big two-guard, modern NBA or no. What folks want is essentially an actualized version of Cun. Cov is that. I was a founding member of the Walker club on this board, but unless folks think he's going to truly be an All-Star, trading him should be on the table. With DeRozan and Aldridge aging, it doesn't make sense to wait for a window that may not come. Even if Lonnie becomes Bradley Beal good in three years, trying to go for a title now probably makes more sense. They can worry about their lack of star-power for their 2022 roster when they get to 2022.

[Chinook]

Covington is worth one of the following, certainly not all: Spurs 1st round pick, Toronto 1st round pick, and rights to Milutinov. I'd be okay if the spurs gave up the rights to Milutinov considering they've probably done their due diligence on him.

It's already an unrealistic trade but if Minny asked for all of those, I'd tell them to F off considering RC has seemingly hit on at least 2 of the last first round picks. RoCo is really good but he's not that good.

Bruh, no wonder you hate on PATFO so much. You think shit picks have the value of an elite role-player (not even getting into Milutinov here because WTF). Under that assumption, the Spurs should constantly be able to fix their holes each year, and them not getting it done is just incompetence.

From what I can see, Covington is better than Murray and White and is likely to stay that way for the foreseeable future. RC hitting on those guys is obviously nice, but he hasn't exactly been drafting Robert Covingtons lately.

[Mr. Body]

od Givony’s

1. Zion Williamson PF Duke
2. R.J. Barrett SG/SF Duke
3. Nassir Little SF UNC
4. Ja Morant PG Murray St.
5. Cam Reddish SF Duke
6. Romeo Langford SF Indiana
7. Darius Garland PG Vanderbilt
8. Jarrett Culver SG Texas Tech
9. Keldon Johnson SF Kentucky
10. Sekou Doumbouya PF Limoges France
11. Kevin Porter PG/SG USC
12 De'Andre Hunter PF Virginia
13. Rui Hachimura PF Gonzaga
14. Jaxson Hayes C Texas
15. Bol Bol C Oregon
16. Jontay Porter C Missouri
17. Nickeil Alexander-Walker PG/SG Virginia Tech
18. PJ Washington PF Kentucky
19. KZ Okpala SF/PF Stanford
20 Luguentz Dort SG Arizona St.
21. Daniel Gafford C Arkansas
22. Tre Jones PG Duke
23. Brandon Clarke PF Gonzaga
24. Talen Horton-Tucker SF Iowa St.
25. Ayo Dosunmu PG Illinois
26. Coby White PG/SG UNC
27. Luka Samanic PF Olimpija Adriatic
28. Grant Williams PF Tennessee
29. Admiral Schofield SF/PF Tennessee
30. Eric Paschall PF Villanova

hunter out of range
clarke my fav so so.
Iggy maybe

Wake Forest ? Hoard

A lot of PFs in the draft for a league that doesn't like PFs any more.

[DPG21920]

Honestly with how SA is playing I hope they look to acquire another first using Pau. There is no real way to upgrade that I can see unless you somehow land a true all star at SF so since cap space won’t be an issue for year eat a player with a big salary for Pau and get another first and continue what I call the winbuild

[sasaint]

It's a good question. I'm sure they'd be basing a decision on whether he has made any progress physically in practice. I really don't see any of these fantasy trades happening. If there's enough cap room left for another minimum deal I could even see the Spurs' keeping Qpon until something happens with Parsons or Huestis (HE HIT A JUMPER SATURDAY).

A Jumper! Really? Haha.

Yeah, I usually don't get involved in trade talk; it is a completely academic exercise. But I guess I was kind of bored this year and... well, what the hell.

I was rather intrigued by Q-Pon when they signed him. But he has been invisible. I have no idea what the status of his health is. Perhaps that is why we have barely seen him. If so, perhaps Pop is still holding out some hope that he will fully recover. That would be about the only reason to guarantee him. Parsons is such damaged goods that I can't work up much enthusiasm for him. Maybe Moore? But I expect Pop to bring in some bought-out-vet for playoff insurance. That's the Spurs' way.

[Chinook]

A lot of PFs in the draft for a league that doesn't like PFs any more.

Not really. College PFs have been combo-forwards for a while. Almost everyone listed as a four on that list would play the four in the NBA and would have played the three in the olden days. Obviously, some of them would have played those positions poorly and been out of the league. My point is that someone like Hachimura or Clarke would be an NBA four without a ton of trouble.

[BackHome]

At this point in the season we are not going to do any major trades but no freaking reason to keep Poindexter he can easily be replaced by Ben Moore who is a much better player in my opinion.

As far as players and trades Pop and RC are going to have to make tough decisions this summer what to do with Gasol, what to do with 3 potential draft picks, do you package Forbes, Or White with Gasol to get a legit SF?

[Mr. Body]

Not really. College PFs have been combo-forwards for a while. Almost everyone listed as a four on that list would play the four in the NBA and would have played the three in the olden days. Obviously, some of them would have played those positions poorly and been out of the league. My point is that someone like Hachimura or Clarke would be an NBA four without a ton of trouble.

I don't think this is true at all. Most of these players are true PFs. They can't hit threes and won't be shot blockers because of their size. I'd stay away from most of them. Hachimira is good, for example, but right now has no position for his current skill set.

[vander]

Honestly with how SA is playing I hope they look to acquire another first using Pau. There is no real way to upgrade that I can see unless you somehow land a true all star at SF so since cap space won’t be an issue for year eat a player with a big salary for Pau and get another first and continue what I call the winbuild

I agree, get extra picks, increase your chances of finding that steal

would probably be better if the pick for Pau is in 2020 though, since Spurs only need SF, SF, SF, and Small forwards, they'd be getting diminishing returns with 3 picks in one draft.

[Pavlov]

I figure if QPon was going to be waived Moore or Walker would've been called up. Fantasy trade talk is OK, but people tend to talk themselves into thinking the trades they dream up here are just a phone call away. I try to think about what PATFO might actually do. Team performance and apparent harmony lead me to believe they're not going to be looking for big trades and instead will do some shuffling at the end of the roster. Decidedly unsexy for armchair GMs.

[Chinook]

Honestly with how SA is playing I hope they look to acquire another first using Pau. There is no real way to upgrade that I can see unless you somehow land a true all star at SF so since cap space won’t be an issue for year eat a player with a big salary for Pau and get another first and continue what I call the winbuild

It doesn't make sense to get a third first in this draft, especially a late one. Like say Brooklyn gives up the Denver pick to turn Crabbe into Gasol. The Spurs would have 20, 28 and 30. They'd also have essentially a dead roster spot due to Crabbe's contract. That's not a winning play, in my book. Simply waiving Pau and using the MLE feels like a better use of assets.

Of course, you can argue that the Spurs could just move up in the draft using that extra capital, but it's not obvious they could reach whatever target they had with their picks (especially if their natural pick falls closer to 25 like I'd hope). The team might be forced to use all those picks and reaching for poor stashes just to be rid of them. No way would I think so International scrub projected in the 50s is worth having a terrible contract for a year, winbuilding or no.

[Chinook]

I figure if QPon was going to be waived Moore or Walker would've been called up. Fantasy trade talk is OK, but people tend to talk themselves into thinking the trades they dream up here are just a phone call away. I try to think about what PATFO might actually do. Team performance and apparent harmony lead me to believe they're not going to be looking for big trades and instead will do some shuffling at the end of the roster. Decidedly unsexy for armchair GMs.

No idea why you went into the whole fantasy thing. Pondexter is almost immaterial in that. If anything, him sticking around could be a factor in a future trade. Regardless, the only real downside to keeping him is owing his salary. So long as PATFO is willing to eat that loss, it won't affect the team's roster-building at all.

[DPG21920]

It doesn't make sense to get a third first in this draft, especially a late one. Like say Brooklyn gives up the Denver pick to turn Crabbe into Gasol. The Spurs would have 20, 28 and 30. They'd also have essentially a dead roster spot due to Crabbe's contract. That's not a winning play, in my book. Simply waiving Pau and using the MLE feels like a better use of assets.

Of course, you can argue that the Spurs could just move up in the draft using that extra capital, but it's not obvious they could reach whatever target they had with their picks (especially if their natural pick falls closer to 25 like I'd hope). The team might be forced to use all those picks and reaching for poor stashes just to be rid of them. No way would I think so International scrub projected in the 50s is worth having a terrible contract for a year, winbuilding or no.

I can see that but I was not thinking it had to be a pick this year. Even if it was I think it’s better than nothing and MLe would be available either way.

But I would not do it for a contract that lasts longer than next season. No question to me that having any extra First is worth the extra 8-9M on the cap for one year unless you think it truly would inhibit SA from using the MLE

[spurraider21]

No idea why you went into the whole fantasy thing. Pondexter is almost immaterial in that. If anything, him sticking around could be a factor in a future trade. Regardless, the only real downside to keeping him is owing his salary. So long as PATFO is willing to eat that loss, it won't affect the team's roster-building at all.
i dont think he's referring to fantasy basketball. just fantasy in that it's detached from reality.

[Chinook]

i dont think he's referring to fantasy basketball. just fantasy in that it's detached from reality.

I get that. It's at least the second time he's said that in this thread. Like we get that this stuff isn't likely to happen. What's the point in saying it again in an unrelated topic?

[Chinook]

I can see that but I was not thinking it had to be a pick this year. Even if it was I think it’s better than nothing and MLe would be available either way.

But I would not do it for a contract that lasts longer than next season. No question to me that having any extra First is worth the extra 8-9M on the cap for one year unless you think it truly would inhibit SA from using the MLE

I think the money and roster spot are worth quite a bit. I also don't think giving up future firsts is something a lot of teams will be keen to do, especially without some other type of value going out. In the league, they'll be protected to the point of being uninteresting.

[Pavlov]

No idea why you went into the whole fantasy thing. Pondexter is almost immaterial in that. If anything, him sticking around could be a factor in a future trade. Regardless, the only real downside to keeping him is owing his salary. So long as PATFO is willing to eat that loss, it won't affect the team's roster-building at all.:lol poor choice of words, I guess.

Trade talk is the fantasy.

My guess is since minute-eating options like Moore and Huestis are readily available and a guy like Parsons who can shoot might be available soon, the Spurs feel no pressure to break up the band to fill an ST need.

[Chinook]

:lol poor choice of words, I guess.

Trade talk is the fantasy.

My guess is since minute-eating options like Moore and Huestis are readily available and a guy like Parsons who can shoot might be available soon, the Spurs feel no pressure to break up the band to fill an ST need.

I agree there. I don't think PATFO will make moves, and if they do, it'll be a buyout guy. I just don't see the issue with speculating on what it would take to acquire certain players and if that price is worth it. All fan bases do that. It's not a particular sign of ST delusion that we're doing so here.

[Pavlov]

I agree there. I don't think PATFO will make moves, and if they do, it'll be a buyout guy. I just don't see the issue with speculating on what it would take to acquire certain players and if that price is worth it. All fan bases do that. It's not a particular sign of ST delusion that we're doing so here.No, I've done it myself. It just cracks me up how single minded posters get about blockbuster trades without even discussing the most likely course of action.

[Mugen]

Bruh, no wonder you hate on PATFO so much. You think shit picks have the value of an elite role-player (not even getting into Milutinov here because WTF). Under that assumption, the Spurs should constantly be able to fix their holes each year, and them not getting it done is just incompetence.

From what I can see, Covington is better than Murray and White and is likely to stay that way for the foreseeable future. RC hitting on those guys is obviously nice, but he hasn't exactly been drafting Robert Covingtons lately.

Me not shitting on the FO on one area somehow gets turned around to me being too hard on PATFO again :lol

I don't think they are shit picks especially not when it's literally the best thing the PATFO has going for them since '14....

Fathead, Dejounte, White, Lonnie (jury's out) in the last 5 drafts, that's pretty damn good. RoCo is really good but I don'pt think that he's some unattainable bar with a late 1st round pick.

I disagree on your assessment that White is likely to stay worse than RoCo for the foreseeable future, I think he has a chance to be better this season and definitely by next. Granted, I haven't seen Covington play a whole lot this year but that's how high I am on White (I don't even think it's me being a homer since i've been pretty low on Dejounte and Fathead in the past).

Again, Roco is very good but is he worth a combo of what is essentially 3 first round picks? Especially when RC has drafted 3 starters from that spot in the last 4 years? I don't know, that's a tough sell for me.

[Chinook]

Me not shitting on the FO on one area somehow gets turned around to me being too hard on PATFO again :lol

I don't think they are shit picks especially not when it's literally the best thing the PATFO has going for them since '14....

Fathead, Dejounte, White, Lonnie (jury's out) in the last 5 drafts, that's pretty damn good. RoCo is really good but I don'pt think that he's some unattainable bar with a late 1st round pick.

I disagree on your assessment that White is likely to stay worse than RoCo for the foreseeable future, I think he has a chance to be better this season and definitely by next. Granted, I haven't seen Covington play a whole lot this year but that's how high I am on White (I don't even think it's me being a homer since i've been pretty low on Dejounte and Fathead in the past).

Again, Roco is very good but is he worth a combo of what is essentially 3 first round picks? Especially when RC has drafted 3 starters from that spot in the last 4 years? I don't know, that's a tough sell for me.

Picks in the late-20s are shit picks. Once those picks are used, they could be really good prospects, but when talking about trading them, they're shit.

The Spurs aren't getting anything important for the Toronto pick, not unless someone is really dumb. So if you think that's all it would take, you have unrealistic expectations for what PATFO could do.

Covington is worth a whole bunch. He's an elite role-player at the most important position in the NBA, and he's locked up for three years after this one. That lets the team compete now and have the financial flexibility to hold onto guys like Murray, White, Poeltl and maybe Walker later. If the young guys develop into stars, then they will have with them an important role-player. If they don't, well the Spurs at least did all they could to make use of DeRozan and Aldridge's window.

I'd strongly consider trading both picks and Milutinov, because the team would get to keep their prospects while adding a finishing piece. The Wolves would not be unreasonable to ask for Walker and both picks, though that's its own debate on whether that makes sense.

[DPG21920]

I think the money and roster spot are worth quite a bit. I also don't think giving up future firsts is something a lot of teams will be keen to do, especially without some other type of value going out. In the league, they'll be protected to the point of being uninteresting.

I mean with regards to the money whether it’s 6.7M from Gasol or 15-16M from another player it does not change what tools they have available to add to the team (since no cap space either way). Maybe it means they can’t use the mle due to tax reasons?

From a roster spot perspective it just means no Cunningham or Pon types which is no biggie to me as long as said player is equal or better than that type of player.

[Chinook]

I mean with regards to the money whether it’s 6.7M from Gasol or 15-16M from another player it does not change what tools they have available to add to the team (since no cap space either way). Maybe it means they can’t use the mle due to tax reasons?

From a roster spot perspective it just means no Cunningham or Pon types which is no biggie to me as long as said player is equal or better than that type of player.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=12056572175c33e2df1c465556685272

That's a quick mock-up of the Spurs after trading Gasol for Allen Crabbe and Denver's pick. I also removed all the holds except Gay's. The Spurs have 17 of 15 spots secured and only $16-18 Million to sign Gay, their picks, Milutinov and any other free agents. They could potentially get rid of a pick and once again pass on Milutinov to fix the roster issue, but they still end up with a really tight budget and the following roster:

Murray, Mills
White, Forbes, Crabbe
DeRozan, Belinelli, Walker
Gay, Bertans, Metu
Aldridge, Poeltl

And wherever the picks end up going. Assuming they don't draft a SF in the 20s who can come in and play rotation minutes immediately, they manage to still not have any defensive wing (not even the depth they have now), and their guard rotation is even more full. There aren't any minutes open for Walker. Forbes might end up playing no minutes. It's just a mess.


http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=13197578435c33e5247e09a415315429

It's just much cleaner. 15/15 spots and $30 Million in space to sign guys or look for upgrades.

[Mugen]

Picks in the late-20s are shit picks. Once those picks are used, they could be really good prospects, but when talking about trading them, they're shit.

The Spurs aren't getting anything important for the Toronto pick, not unless someone is really dumb. So if you think that's all it would take, you have unrealistic expectations for what PATFO could do.

Covington is worth a whole bunch. He's an elite role-player at the most important position in the NBA, and he's locked up for three years after this one. That lets the team compete now and have the financial flexibility to hold onto guys like Murray, White, Poeltl and maybe Walker later. If the young guys develop into stars, then they will have with them an important role-player. If they don't, well the Spurs at least did all they could to make use of DeRozan and Aldridge's window.

I'd strongly consider trading both picks and Milutinov, because the team would get to keep their prospects while adding a finishing piece. The Wolves would not be unreasonable to ask for Walker and both picks, though that's its own debate on whether that makes sense.

I get your points, but I can't remember the last player that was the same caliber of player that RoCo was that was traded and what they fetched in return but 3 first rounders seems excessive to me. Obviously, his really good contract is a big factor in the type of return he garners.

All of it will be moot tho since i doubt Minny moves him unless the Spurs either absorb Dieng or find a 3rd team.

[timtonymanu]

Pondexter it is. This season’s Joel Anthony. Then I remember Cunningham is still on the roster and Q-Pon makes him look like Rudy Gay.

[DPG21920]

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=12056572175c33e2df1c465556685272

That's a quick mock-up of the Spurs after trading Gasol for Allen Crabbe and Denver's pick. I also removed all the holds except Gay's. The Spurs have 17 of 15 spots secured and only $16-18 Million to sign Gay, their picks, Milutinov and any other free agents. They could potentially get rid of a pick and once again pass on Milutinov to fix the roster issue, but they still end up with a really tight budget and the following roster:

Murray, Mills
White, Forbes, Crabbe
DeRozan, Belinelli, Walker
Gay, Bertans, Metu
Aldridge, Poeltl

And wherever the picks end up going. Assuming they don't draft a SF in the 20s who can come in and play rotation minutes immediately, they manage to still not have any defensive wing (not even the depth they have now), and their guard rotation is even more full. There aren't any minutes open for Walker. Forbes might end up playing no minutes. It's just a mess.


http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=13197578435c33e5247e09a415315429

It's just much cleaner. 15/15 spots and $30 Million in space to sign guys or look for upgrades.

I see your point; it’s valid. I’m just saying I think with that 16-18M you can sign Rudy, the picks and an MLE player and that’s a good team.

[DPG21920]

And being super moneyball (might not be realistic) you could theoretically view it as a way to salary dump a guy while keeping your picks.

So imagine 3 things:

1) you want to be competitive next season
2) you want to winbuild and love having 2 1st round picks
3) you are looking at 20/21 as the bigger FA opportunity

If you do the Crabbe deal, you now have 3 firsts while still being able to add a little to next years team via the mle & 2 of the picks.

You now have an extra first you can use to offload Mills and get 13M in cap space freed up for 20/21. You’d have Murray/Crabbe to replace Mills with the mle to take a small step forward next seaso

You could do all of that without trading Pau for Crabbe + a 1st but this scenario allows you to keep 2 1sts for the same plan.

[r0drig0lac]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252170/Spurs-Interested-In-Pursuing-Kristaps-Porzingis-In-Free-Agency

Spurs Interested In Pursuing Kristaps Porzingis In Free Agency

[NASpurs]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252170/Spurs-Interested-In-Pursuing-Kristaps-Porzingis-In-Free-Agency

Spurs Interested In Pursuing Kristaps Porzingis In Free Agency

Someone’s going to make a thread about this 2 days later that’ll reach 10 pages and lead to pipe dreams and future disappointment.

[mo7888]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252170/Spurs-Interested-In-Pursuing-Kristaps-Porzingis-In-Free-Agency

Spurs Interested In Pursuing Kristaps Porzingis In Free Agency

I'm not sure how that would work. I can't see the Knicks refusing to match an offer sheet. However, if the spurs see a scenario where NY doesn't match then there's no way we trade for Covington or opj and take on salary.

[r0drig0lac]

Someone’s going to make a thread about this 2 days later that’ll reach 50 pages and lead to pipe dreams and future disappointment.

fixed

[picnroll]

Porzingis for Mills and Gasol. You heard it hear first. :bobo

[BillMc]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252170/Spurs-Interested-In-Pursuing-Kristaps-Porzingis-In-Free-Agency

Spurs Interested In Pursuing Kristaps Porzingis In Free Agency

Davis and Kristaps. SA is Riga South. Do it RC.

[DaBears]

Spurs aren't making any trades. With this chemistry? No way. They'll have trouble enough handling Gasol, and he's super-veteran and won't make waves. Adding some unknown at this point is ludicrous.

I have to be honest this team, really does seem the part. by that i mean they are really clicking & seem genuinely enjoy playing together. You dont often see teams have all the players, actually playing for each other, what makes it impressive to me is most if not all the players on the roster have something to prove. When that happens teams generally will over achieve and for this years team that is not a bad thing, i just want to enjoy the ride and see where the chips fall..

[r0drig0lac]

Davis and Kristaps. SA is Riga South. Do it RC.

Kurucs is the next

[RC_Drunkford]

And being super moneyball (might not be realistic) you could theoretically view it as a way to salary dump a guy while keeping your picks.

So imagine 3 things:

1) you want to be competitive next season
2) you want to winbuild and love having 2 1st round picks
3) you are looking at 20/21 as the bigger FA opportunity

If you do the Crabbe deal, you now have 3 firsts while still being able to add a little to next years team via the mle & 2 of the picks.

You now have an extra first you can use to offload Mills and get 13M in cap space freed up for 20/21. You’d have Murray/Crabbe to replace Mills with the mle to take a small step forward next seaso

You could do all of that without trading Pau for Crabbe + a 1st but this scenario allows you to keep 2 1sts for the same plan.

I like that take. With the Spurs not having cap space to sign significant pieces I definitely think taking on a bad contract of a wing player who would still give you useful rotation minutes is the way to go. Crabbe would also be an expiring next season with Belinelli, Bertans and Forbes. Crabbe, Beli + 1st round pick doesn't sound like a bad package

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1085283373847851008

[Fusternino]

De'Andre Hunter 8-12 to lead UVA with 21 points against #7 VT. Stock is rising. Might be unobtainable now, tbh.

[Fusternino]

Also, Sekou's stock is falling hard. Having a bad year. Maybe we can get both, tbh.

[Larry O]

Air Alamo

Spurs Rumors: San Antonio could possibly reunite with Jonathon Simmons
by Andrew Ites11h ago



San Antonio could use some extra depth on the wing this season, and the Spurs rumors of a reunion with Jonathon Simmons could help solve that problem.
According to Sean Deveney of the Sporting News, former San Antonio swingman Jonathon Simmons will be on the trade market this season which has fired up the mill of Spurs rumors as we near the trade deadline.


Simmons emerged as a versatile wing during his two seasons in San Antonio, but he’s been a disappointment in Orlando after they signed him as a free agent in the summer of 2017.

Simmons’ playing time has decreased as he’s fallen out of the Magic’s starting lineup this season, and it looks like they’re willing to move on from him.


The Spurs don’t have much depth behind Rudy Gay at the wing position, and we’ve seen the team struggle a bit when he’s been sidelined with injuries twice this season.

What would a Jonathon Simmons trade look like, does he fit in the current iteration of the Spurs, and what would San Antonio have to give up in a potential deal?

This is an interesting idea that would address the lack of depth in the wing position especially with RG22's injury issues. This would be a quick answer to this matter instead of holding out for Austin Spurs 2-way player, Ben Moore or Josh Huestis, to get aclamated to NBA level of playing as well as learning the Spurs' system. Now, I would be surprised if this were to happen since JS17 seemed to have left on not so favorable terms. And, who would they give up for him? My guess is that SAS will stand pat with a remote chance that Moore or Huestis gets called up, unless RG22 suffers from a major injury that would sideline him indefinitely, then one of those GLeague players may be called up or unless SAS feels desperate enough to make a move for JSimms or another player as a 2nd option. GSG!!!

[r0drig0lac]

Air Alamo

Spurs Rumors: San Antonio could possibly reunite with Jonathon Simmons
by Andrew Ites11h ago



San Antonio could use some extra depth on the wing this season, and the Spurs rumors of a reunion with Jonathon Simmons could help solve that problem.
According to Sean Deveney of the Sporting News, former San Antonio swingman Jonathon Simmons will be on the trade market this season which has fired up the mill of Spurs rumors as we near the trade deadline.


Simmons emerged as a versatile wing during his two seasons in San Antonio, but he’s been a disappointment in Orlando after they signed him as a free agent in the summer of 2017.

Simmons’ playing time has decreased as he’s fallen out of the Magic’s starting lineup this season, and it looks like they’re willing to move on from him.


The Spurs don’t have much depth behind Rudy Gay at the wing position, and we’ve seen the team struggle a bit when he’s been sidelined with injuries twice this season.

What would a Jonathon Simmons trade look like, does he fit in the current iteration of the Spurs, and what would San Antonio have to give up in a potential deal?

This is an interesting idea that would address the lack of depth in the wing position especially with RG22's injury issues. This would be a quick answer to this matter instead of holding out for Austin Spurs 2-way player, Ben Moore or Josh Huestis, to get aclamated to NBA level of playing as well as learning the Spurs' system. Now, I would be surprised if this were to happen since JS17 seemed to have left on not so favorable terms. And, who would they give up for him? My guess is that SAS will stand pat with a remote chance that Moore or Huestis gets called up, unless RG22 suffers from a major injury that would sideline him indefinitely, then one of those GLeague players may be called up or unless SAS feels desperate enough to make a move for JSimms or another player as a 2nd option. GSG!!!

nice

[Truth4sale$]

nice
I would love to see Simmons return, but the Spurs only asset they could possibly unload is Gasol or Mills in a trade. I dont see Orlando taking either without adding a 1st round pick. Which is a bad deal. Better to sit tight.

[Dverde]

I would love to see Simmons return, but the Spurs only asset they could possibly unload is Gasol or Mills in a trade. I dont see Orlando taking either without adding a 1st round pick. Which is a bad deal. Better to sit tight.

Patty Mills to the Magic makes senses. They need a PG and a leader. Unfortunately, the Spurs would never trade him for Simmons.

[sasaint]

Patty Mills to the Magic makes senses. They need a PG and a leader. Unfortunately, the Spurs would never trade him for Simmons.

Moving deck chairs around on 2 Titanics. However, Orlando needs Patty more than we need a player who is not a true (or good) SF. Pass.

[RC_Drunkford]

no to Simmons, get Terrence Ross. Works better salary wise too

[Chinook]

Simmons might be able to negotiate a buyout if he's willing to give up that million for next year. He'd be able to earn that bad with the right performance anyway. I assume he'd go to the Lakers is any place though. Also don't think he'd get regular minutes in SA.

[EricB]

Keep Simmons and his locker room shit attitude ass out of SA.

[SAGirl]

Not a huge fan of Ingram, but Brandon for Murray makes much more sense than trying to trade him for awful Hood. Ingram has good size and play-making already. He's been overrated because he is a Laker, but when it comes to trying to hit on a cheap forward, that is an ideal scenario. Of course, LAL wouldn't do the trade, because Ingram has more value than Murray does.
Specially an injured Murray.

[ace3g]

BUMP - I'm also done with the DeFrozen era - one of your main perimeter players has to be a threat from 3 in today's game.

[CGD]

BUMP - I'm also done with the DeFrozen era - one of your main perimeter players has to be a threat from 3 in today's game.

Agree, and your other stars can’t essentially be the DDR of their positions (Gay and LMA). Too much redundancy, too manu shrinking violets.

[RC_Drunkford]

man let's be grateful we didn't make a trade at the deadline. "we like what we have"

[objective]

Don't worry guys, they still have Marco under contract, he'll be the backup small forward to our starting small forward DeRozan.

Did you guys forget that DeRozan is an ALL-STAR?

Between DeRozan and Marco the small forward position is on lockdown.

[ace3g]

Spurs better add more true SFs through either free agency and/or the draft.