Democratic presidential hopeful wants to give citizens $1,000 a month

[ducks]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/democratic-presidential-hopeful-wants-to-give-citizens-1000-a-month

[hater]

Nice

Who is it?

Ill vote for that :tu

[clambake]

democratic presidential hopeful on fox business, not o'reilly.

[Winehole23]

Kirsten Gillibrand is touting a job guarantee and postal banking.

[Winehole23]

http://www.levyinstitute.org/topics/job-guarantee

[monosylab1k]

Just looking to provide a universal basic income like the founding fathers wanted. You can keep your well regulated militia and we’ll install UBI.

[Winehole23]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2014/08/postal_banking_already_worked_in_the_usa_and_it_wi ll_work_again.html

[Winehole23]

By 1934, postal banks had $1.2 billion in assets—about 10 percent of the entire commercial banking system—as small savers fled failing banks to the safety of a government-backed institution.

[boutons_deux]

Kirsten Gillibrand is touting a job guarantee and postal banking.

If govt requires a job for public assistance, then govt should GUARANTEE those people jobs.

Postal banking will never happen, BigFinance owns Congress, and Repugs have been murdering USPS for 10+ years with the 2075 pension obligations, part of the oligarchy's effort to kill everything in govt, or govt-controlled like USPS, EXCEPT those parts of govt that enrich the oligarchy.

Fuck the Rupugs. Fuck the oligarchy.

[sickdsm]

Just looking to provide a universal basic income like the founding fathers wanted. You can keep your well regulated militia and we’ll install UBI.

Finland just announced they are cancelling their universal basic income.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/24/finland-set-to-scrap-free-money-experiment-after-two-year-trial.html

[Spurminator]

Finland just announced they are cancelling their universal basic income.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/24/finland-set-to-scrap-free-money-experiment-after-two-year-trial.html

This was a pilot test that the government cancelled against the request of the people running the test. They don't have the results yet.

[Winehole23]

Rather than state, local and federal governments giving corporations billions annually in tax carve-outs and incentives, why not cut out the middleman?

[boutons_deux]

automation, AI or not, will kill a 10Ms of US jobs, pushing people into debt, into near or absolute poverty.

Is the oligarchy worried, the oligarchy that takes 95% of ALL gains in GDP and wealth? fuck no. They got theirs

[baseline bum]

Rather than state, local and federal governments giving corporations billions annually in tax carve-outs and incentives, why not cut out the middleman?

Because the middleman owns the government?

[baseline bum]

If govt requires a job for public assistance, then govt should GUARANTEE those people jobs.

Postal banking will never happen, BigFinance owns Congress, and Repugs have been murdering USPS for 10+ years with the 2075 pension obligations, part of the oligarchy's effort to kill everything in govt, or govt-controlled like USPS, EXCEPT those parts of govt that enrich the oligarchy.

Fuck the Rupugs. Fuck the oligarchy.

Yeah congress doesn't regulate the banks, the banks regulate congress.

[Winehole23]

Because the middleman owns the government?good point

[Chris]

woohoo Socialism!

[monosylab1k]

Finland just announced they are cancelling their universal basic income.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/24/finland-set-to-scrap-free-money-experiment-after-two-year-trial.html

Are we in Finland? No, we’re in fuckin MURICA, and if you wanna go against the wishes of our founding fathers then GET THE FUCK OUT!

[monosylab1k]

woohoo Socialism!

The founding fathers wanted UBI, Chris. Why do you hate America?

[Chris]

The founding fathers wanted UBI, Chris. Why do you hate America?

Which founding fathers wanted Universal Basic Income? I need names and quotes please.

[Chris]

989305977727062018

[monosylab1k]

Which founding fathers wanted Universal Basic Income? I need names and quotes please.

I vaguely remember somebody on this forum saying some shit along the lines of “I’m not doing your research for you, look it up yourself”.

But start with Thomas Paine.

[Spurtacular]

Nothing new about the Democrats buying votes. Even Mitt called them out on that. :lol

[sickdsm]

This was a pilot test that the government cancelled against the request of the people running the test. They don't have the results yet.

Yes I'm quite aware of that. It was spelled out well enough that anyone with a 5th grade education should have caught the jist of that.

[Spurtacular]

The founding fathers wanted UBI, Chris. Why do you hate America?


Which founding fathers wanted Universal Basic Income? I need names and quotes please.


I vaguely remember somebody on this forum saying some shit along the lines of “I’m not doing your research for you, look it up yourself”.

But start with Thomas Paine.

I found it on madeupmonkeyshit dot com

[sickdsm]

Are we in Finland? No, we’re in fuckin MURICA, and if you wanna go against the wishes of our founding fathers then GET THE FUCK OUT!

Evaluating what the more progressive countries are doing is bad now. Got it.

[Winehole23]

nm

[boutons_deux]

Yeah congress doesn't regulate the banks, the banks regulate congress.

Yep, BigFinance is dictating to Fed to raise interest rates since that would dump $10Bs more revenue into BigFinance, while Mulvaney is destoying the CFPB, as dictated by BigFinance

[Chris]

I vaguely remember somebody on this forum saying some shit along the lines of “I’m not doing your research for you, look it up yourself”.

But start with Thomas Paine.

Your white flag has been noted.

Carry on.

[AaronY]

Gotta agree with Chris amazingly enough the far left is pretty retarded and embarrassing and they seem to be taking over our party tbh.

[monosylab1k]

Yes I'm quite aware of that. It was spelled out well enough that anyone with a 5th grade education should have caught the jist of that.

*gist

Then what was the point of you posting it, Tyler?

[monosylab1k]

Your white flag has been noted.

Carry on.

lol too stupid to use google

Your white flag has been noted.

[AaronY]

me talking economics with a Bernie Bro

Bro: Bro I been studying da economics and we gots ways to make no moar poors
Me: Huh, you mean poor people? what about them?
Bro: Bro, me figure it out. Dey poor because they no have money, right? that is problem?
Me: Well yeah.
Bro: so problems ois they no have money but need money is only problem
Me: Wait a minute I think I see where you are going with this
Bro: We gives poors money they is no poors. Me make poors go away
Me: yeah but its
Bro: but bro how can they be poors if they have money
Me: sigh
Bro: me solve poors me like economics

[AaronY]

https://i.amz.mshcdn.com/RxP5i36Y9NXuowNAd6aY6RuqTfE=/1200x627/https%3A%2F%2Fblueprint-api-production.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fuploads%2Fstory%2Fth umbnail%2F45074%2Fdf8b0cfc-5b48-4a03-bf41-226083dac0d1.png

Me SeE PoOrS wItH nO MoNeY.
MeGiVeS pOorS mOnEy
Me sOlVe pOvErTy

[Spurminator]

Yes I'm quite aware of that. It was spelled out well enough that anyone with a 5th grade education should have caught the jist of that.

Certainly didn't read that way in the headline you used. Methinks thou dost protest too much.

[boutons_deux]

"far left" taking over? :lol

Dem establishment, epitomized by the Clintons, is well RIGHT of center, as corrupted by BigMoney as the Repugs

the political class is totally corrupted by BigMoney/oligarchy, with NOTHING being done for the lower 80%. Whatever weak shit the Dems manage to do (CFPB, ACA), is then destroyed by the Repugs to protect/enable/enrich the oligarchy.

America is fucked and unfuckable, in permanent decline controlled by the oligarchy.

[hater]

Trump actually alreadybaccomplishd that with his tax reform tbh and his elimination of Obama tax :lol

Case closed :lol

[sickdsm]

*gist

Then what was the point of you posting it, Tyler?
Uh, so that everyone who chose to could read it?

[Blake]

woohoo Socialism!

Harvest Boxes for all

[monosylab1k]

Uh, so that everyone who chose to could read it?

Don’t be purposely obtuse, Tyler.

[spurraider21]

Which founding fathers wanted Universal Basic Income? I need names and quotes please.
i found 100% stone cold evidence that you can never believe is false

http://s.quickmeme.com/img/db/db0a758f16324a284661828fe4b067a3bc3a9d5f2dbab5d255 e75f99d4dceeac.jpg

[baseline bum]

^ :lol

[Chris]

i found 100% stone cold evidence that you can never believe is false

http://s.quickmeme.com/img/db/db0a758f16324a284661828fe4b067a3bc3a9d5f2dbab5d255 e75f99d4dceeac.jpg

:lol

[boutons_deux]

How much would a job guarantee actually cost?

it sounds like a national program with regional branches. The latter would gather information about who needs work and what needs to be done. Then they would match the needs up.

Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) already has a bill (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/04/23/bernie-sanders-to-unveil-plan-to-guarantee-every-american-a-job/?utm_term=.ea2018064aee) that would set up a pilot program in 15 different areas across the country, rural and urban alike.

After testing it for a few years, the program would then presumably expand to a national scale.


Both versions will pay people $15 an hour, and provide health coverage.

Needless to say, expanding that kind of compensation to the millions of Americans still out of work across the country could result in sticker shock.

The paper (https://www.cbpp.org/research/full-employment/the-federal-job-guarantee-a-policy-to-achieve-permanent-full-employment) that Booker's proposal drew from estimated it would cost $543 billion in its first year.

And that was at less than $15 an hour; the higher the wage,

the more Americans will be compelled to switch over from lower-paying jobs.

But there's more to it than just the $500 billion estimate.

That's because if we got a national job guarantee up and running,

something else would happen too:

Medicaid,

food stamps, and

other programs designed to help people in poverty

would massively shrink.

They all operate by providing benefits to people who fall below a certain income threshold.

And with a job guarantee in place, far fewer people would ever drop that low (and in the case of Medicaid, they'd get their health care through their job, too).

Spending on other social ills tied up with unemployment, from health problems to crime to incarceration, would shrink as well.

All those newly employed workers with spending money would stimulate private businesses as well,

leading to more job creation and wage gains.

That would drive up tax receipts, even without any change to current tax policy offsetting yet more of the costs.

http://theweek.com/articles/769531/how-much-job-guarantee-actually-cost

[Winehole23]

a specific set of dysfunctions of the broader economy has raised full employment from the museum of dead causes. The rise of precarious and poorly paid work, chiefly in but not confined to the service sector; the wage stagnation affecting most of the workforce (which Jared Bernstein documented (http://prospect.org/article/unemployment-low-wage-growth-meh) in a piece for the Prospect earlier this week; the declining level of labor force participation in those parts of the country where work, particularly remunerative work, has largely disappeared; the chronic economic insecurity of millennials, and the political left turn they’ve executed in response; the opening to more radical economic reforms unleashed by Bernie Sanders’ 2016 presidential campaign—all these have led to a new economic radicalism bleeding its way into the Democratic mainstream.http://prospect.org/article/why-cause-full-employment-back-dead

[Winehole23]

some progressives are against UBI for the following reasons:


If the government is now paying your salary, even if you are performing poorly, even if you are not working:


This incentivizes private industry to further reduce wages, which logically extends to the reduction – or elimination – of minimum wage laws.
Then what’s the point of social safety net programs such as welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing, Medicaid, Social Security, etc.? These programs would necessarilybe eliminated.
Then what’s the point of fighting so hard for free healthcare and free tuition and lower prescription drug costs and so on? Now people can, at least somewhat, at least temporarily, afford the private industry alternatives. The fights for these progressive programs would just…end.
Now, all of the sudden, everyone can afford shit. All at the same time. Competing with everyone for the same stuff, with no increase in productive capacity. UBI is therefore, by its very definition, inflationary. This governmental salary, this “negative tax” for those at the bottom, is instantly devalued. At best, income and wealth inequality is not reduced (http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2014/01/16-reasons-matt-yglesias-wrong-job-guarantee-vs-basic-income.html).
Would this increase or decrease the incentive to get or keep a job? At least at first…

Here’s the true sinister plot behind UBI: Picture a future and less-friendly Congress, after all these safety nets have been reduced or eliminated. They come in and eliminate or dramatically reduce the UBI program because “these deadbeats want everything for free?!” Our nation is instantly plunged into a private corporation slave-wage hellscape. No wage or workplace protections, no safety net programs at all.
UBI risks putting the United States into a much much worse position than it already is today…. Well, that is, if you care about the powerless.
https://citizensmedia.tv/2018/04/26/fjgvubi/

[Winehole23]

some prefer to push forward a federal jobs guarantee:

https://www.cbpp.org/research/full-employment/the-federal-job-guarantee-a-policy-to-achieve-permanent-full-employment

[SnakeBoy]

some progressives are against UBI for the following reasons:

https://citizensmedia.tv/2018/04/26/fjgvubi/

some progressives are against UBI for the following reasons:

https://citizensmedia.tv/2018/04/26/fjgvubi/

What is your take on UBI Winehole?

[Chris]

990357490670878720

[SnakeBoy]

Or a Federal job guarantee?

[Winehole23]

I don't have a well developed take on UBI, but I'm inclined to think it's not a good idea.

[Winehole23]

Or a Federal job guarantee?More likely than UBI to increase productivity and prosperity on its face, but the devil's in the details.

It'll be interesting to see where the conversation goes -- UBI hasn't been on the map since the 1970s, and a Federal Jobs Guarantee not since the New Deal.

[Winehole23]

What's your take, SnakeBoy?

[dbestpro]

What is that federal job guarantee was picking fruit and vegetables replacing illegal immigrants? Is it still a good idea?

[Winehole23]

Creating full employment is one of the obvious motives behind a jobs guarantee. Toward that end, any sort of job at all might be suitable, including agricultural work.

I can see how a jobs guarantee might make it harder for folks who migrate to the US to find work. It's hard to see how that would be avoidable.

[TeyshaBlue]

some progressives are against UBI for the following reasons:

https://citizensmedia.tv/2018/04/26/fjgvubi/

This. All you have to do is look at tuition rates and watch them continue to spiral as fed assistance increases.
You would have to enact some Nixonian wage/price freezes to counter.

[baseline bum]

This. All you have to do is look at tuition rates and watch them continue to spiral as fed assistance increases.
You would have to enact some Nixonian wage/price freezes to counter.

You have to think the biggest factor for college costs increasing is the greatly increased demand for college as the manufacturing sector in this country has been hollowed out. And then as a lot of blue collar jobs have been outsourced to temp agencies who fill them with cheap illegal labor. Then parents who grew up with cheap college trying to steer their kids there. Our secondary school system that tries to make you feel like a loser if you don't go to college, that tries to pretend everyone needs to go to college and thus should take years of English and history as preparation instead of learning useful job skills at school like you see in Germany. You have large predatory companies like McGraw-Hill just bending students over with ridiculous textbook costs (I had a thread here about them selling a textbook for $110 that MIT Press published in the same quality for $55, but McGaw-Hill had the volume license so were the only ones who could sell enough copies to supply the school bookstores at colleges using the book). You have colleges building bullshit like state of the art gyms and pools and stadiums out of ever increasing student fees. College costs spiraling out of control can't be boiled down just to easy access to loans.

[Winehole23]

declining public spending on universities is also a big factor

[TeyshaBlue]

You have to think the biggest factor for college costs increasing is the greatly increased demand for college as the manufacturing sector in this country has been hollowed out. And then as a lot of blue collar jobs have been outsourced to temp agencies who fill them with cheap illegal labor. Then parents who grew up with cheap college trying to steer their kids there. Our secondary school system that tries to make you feel like a loser if you don't go to college, that tries to pretend everyone needs to go to college and thus should take years of English and history as preparation instead of learning useful job skills at school like you see in Germany. You have large predatory companies like McGraw-Hill just bending students over with ridiculous textbook costs (I had a thread here about them selling a textbook for $110 that MIT Press published in the same quality for $55, but McGaw-Hill had the volume license so were the only ones who could sell enough copies to supply the school bookstores at colleges using the book). You have colleges building bullshit like state of the art gyms and pools and stadiums out of ever increasing student fees. College costs spiraling out of control can't be boiled down just to easy access to loans.

This is all true however, the steady increase of funding is a primary enabler.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/akelly/2015/10/08/does-federal-student-aid-cause-tuition-increases-it-certainly-enables-them/#54ea028e21e0

[boutons_deux]

As college costs rise, buyers of the college product refuse to pay, so fewer student means higher prices

Enrollment Slide Continues, at Slower Rate

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/12/20/national-enrollments-decline-sixth-straight-year-slower-rate

Wealthy foreign students pay no-aid, out-of-state tuition, costs, so are recruited, accepted more frequently

State govts, mostly red/slave Repug states, have been reducing state support for education at all levels, while shifting public school $Ms to fraudulent, for-profit scam charter schools, helps with re-segregation, too.

NPR article says they are 30M jobs that pay $55K+ that don't require a degree (maybe not even HS diploma/GED)

Trash's (oligarchy) budget cut $200B from student aid.

The higher cost of college means more often that only the top quintile families can afford college, worsening equality of opportunity, and increasing socio-economic inequality.

What trends show that America is not heading towards dystopia?

Is any fucking significant aspect of America that's improving, trending upward (for the lower 80%)?

[boutons_deux]

Finland’s Basic Income Pilot Was Never Really A Universal Basic Income (https://www.fastcompany.com/40565075/finlands-basic-income-pilot-was-never-really-a-universal-basic-income)

Much has been made of the end of the Nordic country’s experiment with giving some of its residents cash,

but the program was actually a conservative welfare program that

doesn’t say anything about the true UBI experiments in the works around the world.


To interpret what happened with the Finland program in this way is not only incorrect, (https://peoplespolicyproject.org/2018/04/25/the-nyt-gets-the-finland-basic-income-story-wrong/)it also does a disservice to the other universal basic income experiments (https://www.fastcompany.com/40426347/what-would-people-do-with-a-basic-income-let-them-explain-in-their-own-words) currently in the works from Stockton (https://www.npr.org/2018/01/29/581674763/in-california-stockton-experiments-with-guaranteed-basic-income)and Oakland, California (https://www.fastcompany.com/3056510/why-silicon-valleys-leading-startup-incubator-wants-to-research-basic-income), to Kenya (https://www.fastcompany.com/3066496/rural-kenyans-are-getting-free-cash-every-month-to-test-the-concept-of-a-basic-income) to Ontario (https://www.fastcompany.com/40532513/inside-ontarios-big-bold-basic-income-experiment).

The whole premise of a true universal income program is that people can be eligible to receive the supplemental payment regardless of whether or not they work.

While the income threshold for receiving the benefit necessarily varies by context, generally the idea is to help people clear the poverty threshold wherever they live.

In Finland, the government only made the basic income stipend available to people who were already unemployed.

“That’s really the biggest distinctive factor compared to what a universal basic income program is,”

So it’s not that the government is axing the program–they’re just choosing not to extend it, and not to expand it for people who are employed but low-income.

The organizers of Finland’s trial have also issued a statement (https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finlands_basic_income_organisers_correct_inaccurat e_media_reports_of_trials_premature_death/10177476?origin=rss) correcting the misconception around the ending of the trial.

https://www.fastcompany.com/40565075/finlands-basic-income-pilot-was-never-really-a-universal-basic-income

[sickdsm]

Finland’s Basic Income Pilot Was Never Really A Universal Basic Income (https://www.fastcompany.com/40565075/finlands-basic-income-pilot-was-never-really-a-universal-basic-income)

Much has been made of the end of the Nordic country’s experiment with giving some of its residents cash,

but the program was actually a conservative welfare program that

doesn’t say anything about the true UBI experiments in the works around the world.


To interpret what happened with the Finland program in this way is not only incorrect, (https://peoplespolicyproject.org/2018/04/25/the-nyt-gets-the-finland-basic-income-story-wrong/)it also does a disservice to the other universal basic income experiments (https://www.fastcompany.com/40426347/what-would-people-do-with-a-basic-income-let-them-explain-in-their-own-words) currently in the works from Stockton (https://www.npr.org/2018/01/29/581674763/in-california-stockton-experiments-with-guaranteed-basic-income)and Oakland, California (https://www.fastcompany.com/3056510/why-silicon-valleys-leading-startup-incubator-wants-to-research-basic-income), to Kenya (https://www.fastcompany.com/3066496/rural-kenyans-are-getting-free-cash-every-month-to-test-the-concept-of-a-basic-income) to Ontario (https://www.fastcompany.com/40532513/inside-ontarios-big-bold-basic-income-experiment).

The whole premise of a true universal income program is that people can be eligible to receive the supplemental payment regardless of whether or not they work.

While the income threshold for receiving the benefit necessarily varies by context, generally the idea is to help people clear the poverty threshold wherever they live.

In Finland, the government only made the basic income stipend available to people who were already unemployed.

“That’s really the biggest distinctive factor compared to what a universal basic income program is,”

So it’s not that the government is axing the program–they’re just choosing not to extend it, and not to expand it for people who are employed but low-income.

The organizers of Finland’s trial have also issued a statement (https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finlands_basic_income_organisers_correct_inaccurat e_media_reports_of_trials_premature_death/10177476?origin=rss) correcting the misconception around the ending of the trial.

https://www.fastcompany.com/40565075/finlands-basic-income-pilot-was-never-really-a-universal-basic-income





Sounds like when your buddys girlfriend dumps him and all his friends tell him that she was ugly and a whore anyway tbh.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Gotta agree with Chris amazingly enough the far left is pretty retarded and embarrassing and they seem to be taking over our party tbh.

:lol your party. Thanks, Debbie!

[Isitjustme?]

Lets just disincentivize work..what could go wrong!

[boutons_deux]

Lets just disincentivize work..what could go wrong!

something 50%+ of employees are disincentivized already, don't like their job, their boss, and/or their company, but, it's money.

[Isitjustme?]

something 50%+ of employees are disincentivized already, don't like their job, their boss, and/or their company, but, it's money.

At least theyre doing something. Producing something of some kind of value

[boutons_deux]

nothing crazy about what Bernie, Liz, etc want to do.

Dem establishment is well right of center, with shitty leadership in Congress.

[Spurminator]

I think a lot of the safety net policies we currently have do more to disincentivize work than this would.

Consider that in order to qualify for certain benefits, you specifically cannot work (or earn above a certain threshold). People who collect these benefits often have to choose between that or taking a low-paying job that would cut them off of the benefits (and potentially leave them with less total earnings).

I don't know if it's the best solution, but a straight $(whatever) amount per month with no strings attached still leaves the incentive open to work for a better quality of life.

[AaronY]

nothing crazy about what Bernie, Liz, etc want to do.

Dem establishment is well right of center, with shitty leadership in Congress.
This from the guy who wants a $52,000 minimum wage :lol

[Spurminator]

I think a lot of the safety net policies we currently have do more to disincentivize work than this would.

Consider that in order to qualify for certain benefits, you specifically cannot work (or earn above a certain threshold). People who collect these benefits often have to choose between that or taking a low-paying job that would cut them off of the benefits (and potentially leave them with less total earnings).

I don't know if it's the best solution, but a straight $(whatever) amount per month with no strings attached still leaves the incentive open to work for a better quality of life.

I would append this by saying the solution also has to incorporate some kind of regional/local cost-of-living adjustment. Just like the ridiculous federal $15/hr minimum wage proposals, it's asinine to assume the same dollar amounts need to be allocated for rural residents as urban residents.

[pgardn]

Personally speaking, it must be a miserable life not liking work.
Not wanting to feel some sort of self-satisfaction from creating something, making something useful, accomplishing something...

fckn depressing...

And yep, I get to work tomorrow.
And not in Russia.
And I might get to work the weekend as well if things go as planned.

[pgardn]

I would append this by saying the solution also has to incorporate some kind of regional/local cost-of-living adjustment. Just like the ridiculous federal $15/hr minimum wage proposals, it's asinine to assume the same dollar amounts need to be allocated for rural residents as urban residents.

You dare disincentivize mass transit at the speed of light?

[baseline bum]

I would append this by saying the solution also has to incorporate some kind of regional/local cost-of-living adjustment. Just like the ridiculous federal $15/hr minimum wage proposals, it's asinine to assume the same dollar amounts need to be allocated for rural residents as urban residents.

Can you imagine the butthurt from Trumpland when Mississippi residents have a lower benefit than people living in LA?

[sickdsm]

Can you imagine the butthurt from Trumpland when Mississippi residents have a lower benefit than people living in LA?

So what's stopping a family in the frozen tundra from moving to South Padre Island, Hawaii, LA, or San Francisco then?


Bennie up!

[AaronY]

Unemployment is like 4 fucking percent lol

It's like we're totally out of good ideas at this point

[sickdsm]

something 50%+ of employees are disincentivized already, don't like their job, their boss, and/or their company, but, it's money.

100% of self employed feel that that weekly.

[baseline bum]

So what's stopping a family in the frozen tundra from moving to South Padre Island, Hawaii, LA, or San Francisco then?


Bennie up!

Probably the cost of rent, not that I'm a fan of universal basic income.

[sickdsm]

Probably the cost of rent, not that I'm a fan of universal basic income.

You were more interested in the political backlash than actual outcome of said UBI?

[baseline bum]

You were more interested in the political backlash than actual outcome of said UBI?

Just pointing out how Spurm's idea would play out with the Trumptard crowd, Tyler.

[boutons_deux]

At least theyre doing something. Producing something of some kind of value

that's not certain, certainly not working to their abilities, capacities. "job design" is one area where managers fail most often, and miserably.