Assuming Kawhi/Gay stay, what is the one most important upgrade needed?

[Big Empty]

Are you comfortable running it back with the same team and a healthy Kawhi? Do you feel there is a position that needs a major upgrade? Assuming Kawhi stays, i say we draft a raw center or tall sg with upside or trade Gasol’s expiring contract for younger help at those two positions. Im comfortable running it back with Murray/Mills/Parker/White taking turns at point depending on matchups. Our interior defense was pretty bad. I think a mobile Center is the biggest need even before a Danny Green back up or replacement.

[kuato]

A defensive big to replace Gasoft and a good small combo guard to replace Forbes

[John B]

I’m okay with Murray/Green/Kawhi/Gay/LMA assuming Murray develop pick n roll/shoulder shot and even occasional 3 pts. Yes a big rebounder/blocker. Let Forbes go and bring Nicola Milutinov in

[Keepin' it real]

You know what happens when you assume ...

[John B]

You know what happens when you assume ...
:lol

[MoSpur02]

The need a big who is quick and can defend the paint and also defend the perimeter

[SpursforSix]

Maybe one or two undersized poor to average shooters.

[exstatic]

I'm not even up for discussing the roster until Kawhi is traded, and we see what comes back.

[superbigtime]

Man take your pick. Need improvements across the board. Guard play sticks out.

[KDKSpurs24]

An athletic big and a physical athletic guard.

[TheGreatYacht]

I'm fine with Murray and White starting on the backcourt. Biggest need is a modern athletic Center like Capela, Gobert, Turner, Adams, McGee, etc.

Outside of Aldridge, there isn't a big worth a shit on this roster. Gasol is unplayable and Bertans is below average at literally every aspect of the game.

[kaji157]

Add any player that can play better than 41 y/o Ginóbili.
By doing that you just added your third best player.
Manu cannot continue to be the third best player on the team.

[superbigtime]

Add any player that can play better than 41 y/o Ginóbili.
By doing that you just added your third best player.
Manu cannot continue to be the third best player on the team.

Who was 2nd best this year?

[Big Empty]

Who was 2nd best this year?
Ha ha ha....exactly

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Shooters! Holy fuck does this team desperately need
Consistent outside shooters.

[rogcl1]

A real NBA point guard with point guard skills and an athletic good shooting guard with basic defensive skils.

[tmtcsc]

This is team is in desperate need of an elite point guard who can shoot.

[SAGirl]

Point guard tbh, then SG, then a big who can rebound and block a shot...

[SAGirl]

This is team is in desperate need of an elite point guard who can shoot.
Yup ^ this

[gambit1990]

1) defensive big
2) defensive wing
3) no more lollygagging with tony, forbes / don't resign lauvergne if he opts out

murray, white
patty/manu, green or a defensive wing
kawhi/gay, green or a defensive wing
la/milutinov, bertans
mcgee/gasol

dedmon and deandre have player options.

[cd021]

A defensive big to replace Gasoft and a good small combo guard to replace Forbes

Gasol off the bench to backup LMA is the perfect role for him tbh and we already have White, so check and check.

[KDKSpurs24]

1) defensive big
2) defensive wing
3) no more lollygagging with tony, forbes / don't resign lauvergne if he opts out

murray, white
patty/manu, green or a defensive wing
kawhi/gay, green or a defensive wing
la/milutinov, bertans
mcgee/gasol

dedmon and deandre have player options.
I agree with a lot of this but.. even with these bad defensive players we still always seem to hold teams under a 100 points because of the defensive system. Yes I want bigger guys that can play defense but we NEED people that can score the ball mainly. Too many guys on the team that opposi defenses don’t have to guard.

[SAGirl]

I agree with a lot of this but.. even with these bad defensive players we still always seem to hold teams under a 100 points because of the defensive system. Yes I want bigger guys that can play defense but we NEED people that can score the ball mainly. Too many guys on the team that opposi defenses don’t have to guard.
Starting with Murray...

[cd021]

If Kawhi and Gay stay then I actually really like this team, they might be super close to the luxury tax so there really isn't an upgrade in FA that can be had but internally there is;

1. Stay "small" with LMA at the 5 and Gasol off the bench
2. Bring back Anderson, Bertans, and Green on solid deals
3. Hope Manu returns
4. Get rid of Forbes and give role to White
5. Better health and, by extension, more coherent lineups ; no Parker, Forbes, Mills, Manu, Gasol lineups :lol
6.

Murray, Green, Kawhi, Gay LMA
Parker, Mills, Manu, Anderson/ Bertans, Gasol


(If Manu retires; Parker, Mills, Anderson, Bertans, Gasol)

[spurraider21]

:lmao bring back anderson and green

ship has sailed on those two

[SAGirl]

They need guards who can put the ball in the basket... Mills is not a starting level SG

[Dingle Barry]

I'm mostly a homer so I can't say for sure, but we must have one of the worst backcourts in the association.

[Robz4000]

Defensive big and a capable guard off the bench.

[TD 21]

Young, modern center is a need going forward, but I believe Aldridge and Gasol finished top 5 and 10, respectively, in opponent field goal % within' 3 feet of the rim and by extension, so did the team. Don't be fooled into thinking they can't protect the rim because neither is an above the rim type. Their combination length, timing, experience and in the case of the former, effort, compensates.

By far the biggest need is the same one it's been for the past 4 seasons: A dynamic guard. There's no way to fix it if they're unwilling to have a difficult, but necessary discussion with Parker (expect that they give him 1 more year before it comes to that . . . though Buford saying "they'll make a decision on him at the appropriate time" was interesting).

Murray/Parker would be even more useless offensively off ball than on, so they need to be on, which is probably why they won't sign someone like Evans. Though an improved 3-point shooter, the main appeal would be his ability to create.



I agree with a lot of this but.. even with these bad defensive players we still always seem to hold teams under a 100 points because of the defensive system. Yes I want bigger guys that can play defense but we NEED people that can score the ball mainly. Too many guys on the team that opposi defenses don’t have to guard.

In part because "we" play at one of the slowest paces in the league. Regular season, this is an elite defense. Playoffs, they're not as suited for, with plodding bigs, midget guards and 2 of their best defensive players being drains on their already sub par offense.

[Chris]

A defensive big to replace Gasoft and a good small combo guard to replace Forbes

nailed it

Someone who can box out and do the dirty work and someone who can make wide open 3's would be great

[ducks]

I'm not even up for discussing the roster until Kawhi is traded, and we see what comes back.

[Strategic]

Trade everyone else to Utah for Gobert and a bag of skinny women.

[SAGirl]

I'm mostly a homer so I can't say for sure, but we must have one of the worst backcourts in the association.
yup and fans want to stand pat with the guard rotation... sure...

[Dingle Barry]

yup and fans want to stand pat with the guard rotation... sure...

At least the LMA 18 foot fade-based offense is so effective and fun to watch!

[Dingle Barry]

A defensive big to replace Gasoft

How about Dewayne Dedmon

[kuato]

How about Dewayne Dedmon

He is good, no need to score, a big to defend the paint and a combo guard to defendmperimeter.

[kuato]

Gasol off the bench to backup LMA is the perfect role for him tbh and we already have White, so check and check.

Gasol can't defend, i see White as a replacement for Parker.

[sasaint]

yup and fans want to stand pat with the guard rotation... sure...

I am all for getting rid of all of them except White. I'd like to see him get a chance to repeat as G-League champ.

[sasaint]

At least the LMA 18 foot fade-based offense is so effective and fun to watch!

Some of us didn't want him to begin with. Unfotunately, he is now our best player... Smh.

[Slippy]

An acutal PG whos competent at running the PnR . Not a makeshift one.

[r0drig0lac]

He is good, no need to score, a big to defend the paint and a combo guard to defendmperimeter.

Gasol 10/8/3 in 46/36/76 23mpg
Dedmon 10/8/1 in 52/35/78 25mpg

[Truth4sale$]

The spurs are in desperate need of an rim attacking shooting guard. The only guys who can do it are Kawhi(if he stays), Ginoboli(retirement),and possibly Dejounte if nobody dares him to shoot first.

[Slippy]

This too.

[tbdog]

It is such a shame we didnt play our cards right last offseason. We could have had Gasol, Green, and Parker coming off the books, 40mil. I suppose if they knew Leonard was going to be out, we could have let Mills walk, written the year off, and gone hard for this offseaon. Alas, we just have to deal with limited flexibility.

[pad300]

My view is the offense has been crippled by lack of an intiator - we need someone to play "point" be it guard, forward, or center (although I can't say I have ever seen a point center). Even with Kawhi coming back, I think we need at least 1 more creator on the perimeter.

[itzsoweezee]

SHOOTING! The Spurs need legit 2 guards that can shoot threes. Patty, Danny, and Bryn are not cutting it. These guys were missing wide open looks.

[TimDunkem]

a good small combo guard to replace Forbes

WE DON'T NEED MORE MIDGETS. We already have SGs in PGs bodies in Mills and Parker.


NO MORE players who cannot defend any position.

[TimDunkem]

The Spurs have holes everywhere. The biggest issue right now is upgrading the 2 guard spot where the best player is 41 years old, his backup peaked in 2013, and the 3rd stringer is a YMCA caliber player.

[hater]

Lebron tbqh

Otherwise tank and save us the grief

[SpursDynasty85]

Assuming DJ is our pg and Derrick White is our SG, we need a SF. If Kawhi and Gay come back, we need a versatile PG/SG combo or pure SG with athleticism. Then an athletic Big to give LA some help on the front line offensively and defensively.

[SAGirl]

The Spurs have holes everywhere. The biggest issue right now is upgrading the 2 guard spot where the best player is 41 years old, his backup peaked in 2013, and the 3rd stringer is a YMCA caliber player.
:lol

[BD24]

Need to get rid of Danny tbh. Still amazing that the guy went from a knockdown 3 pt shooter to the piece of garbage from 3 he is now. Was hitting pull ups in the finals with ease a few years back, clanking wide open 3's these days.

[TimDunkem]

:lol

Oh and a random bum from the street named BP3.

[james evans]

The Spurs have holes everywhere. The biggest issue right now is upgrading the 2 guard spot where the best player is 41 years old, his backup peaked in 2013, and the 3rd stringer is a YMCA caliber player.

The biggest issue is the front office who let Simmons and Dedmond walk to re-sign the corpse of Gasol, Mills, and this summer Parker to multiple years

[TD 21]

Assuming DJ is our pg and Derrick White is our SG, we need a SF. If Kawhi and Gay come back, we need a versatile PG/SG combo or pure SG with athleticism. Then an athletic Big to give LA some help on the front line offensively and defensively.

Think White will top out as more of a 3rd guard, along the lines of Dinwiddie and Brogdon.




The Spurs have holes everywhere. The biggest issue right now is upgrading the 2 guard spot where the best player is 41 years old, his backup peaked in 2013, and the 3rd stringer is a YMCA caliber player.

:tu

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[CGD]

A massive upgrade at the SG, first. Then Rotation bigs next.

[spurs10]

A massive upgrade at the SG, first. Then Rotation bigs next. I like the defensive potential of Murray and Danny but we need to score. Maybe a long summer with Chip will help.

[tholdren]

yup and fans want to stand pat with the guard rotation... sure...
Its telling. As shitty as the perimeter players have been, kyle still cant get any more minutes or distance himself from their shitty play. Irony

[tholdren]

A massive upgrade at the SG, first. Then Rotation bigs next.

Spurs need a passer. Name one nba champion in the past x years who wasnt among the best in apg.... yet you people are too dumb to realize. You dont need a star. Thats media hype to sell shit

[dbestpro]

They could use a head coach whose focus is basketball. Don't want to slam Pop too much because this is probably the worst year of his life.

[Slippy]

Spurs need a passer. Name one nba champion in the past x years who wasnt among the best in apg.... yet you people are too dumb to realize. You dont need a star. Thats media hype to sell shit

This

[From Downtown]

We need a good PG (I don't know if White is ready to be that guy) or at least someone with playmaking skills, 41 years old Manu, if he ever comes back, is not enough even tho he's done a pretty nice job when running the point
We need a SG with the ability and athleticism to attack the basket
We need a good defensive big who can rebound and possibly isn't a complete liability on offense

[BSfromTX]

I go with passer/facilitator as well. Manu will greatly be missed as he knows how to set others up.

If we don’t get anyone, I’d like to see white get significant time to see what he can do

[pad300]

Spurs need a passer. Name one nba champion in the past x years who wasnt among the best in apg.... yet you people are too dumb to realize. You dont need a star. Thats media hype to sell shit

Not sure about this. We have made an offence run with a scoring PG work before (many times) - look at 2014 with the beautiful game: TP ( with Green, Kawhi, Tim, and Tiago/Boris ). No really dominant assist guy, but TP was a capable intiator for the offense, what with his top-notch drive skill. the second unit also had a high skill initiator - Manu.

Compare to this year - we have no "initiator" of signficant skill and the offense was choked... Our "initiator" was supposed to be Mills(no real skill beyond shooting)/TP(too old/injured)/Murray(unskilled)...

[From Downtown]

Not sure about this. We have made an offence run with a scoring PG work before (many times) - look at 2014 with the beautiful game: TP ( with Green, Kawhi, Tim, and Tiago/Boris ). No really dominant assist guy, but TP was a capable intiator for the offense, what with his top-notch drive skill. the second unit also had a high skill initiator - Manu.

Compare to this year - we have no "initiator" of signficant skill and the offense was choked... Our "initiator" was supposed to be Mills(no real skill beyond shooting)/TP(too old/injured)/Murray(unskilled)...

That team also had great passing bigs, Bobo was basically a point forward, Tiago and Tim were amazing passers

[pad300]

Not sure about this. We have made an offence run with a scoring PG work before (many times) - look at 2014 with the beautiful game: TP ( with Green, Kawhi, Tim, and Tiago/Boris ). No really dominant assist guy, but TP was a capable intiator for the offense, what with his top-notch drive skill. the second unit also had a high skill initiator - Manu.

Compare to this year - we have no "initiator" of signficant skill and the offense was choked... Our "initiator" was supposed to be Mills(no real skill beyond shooting)/TP(too old/injured)/Murray(unskilled)...


That team also had great passing bigs, Bobo was basically a point forward, Tiago and Tim were amazing passers

Sure, but none of them were dominating the APG charts for that year. We need someoone who is capable of initiating the offense by putting pressure on the defense, starting with the ball in his hands, from the perimeter. This was something we were completely lacking this year.

[tholdren]

Not sure about this. We have made an offence run with a scoring PG work before (many times) - look at 2014 with the beautiful game: TP ( with Green, Kawhi, Tim, and Tiago/Boris ). No really dominant assist guy, but TP was a capable intiator for the offense, what with his top-notch drive skill. the second unit also had a high skill initiator - Manu.

Compare to this year - we have no "initiator" of signficant skill and the offense was choked... Our "initiator" was supposed to be Mills(no real skill beyond shooting)/TP(too old/injured)/Murray(unskilled)...

Look at where apurs team ranks in apg the years you are citing

[J_Paco]

Joe Harris and Nerlens Noel could be good options if both are available in free agency. Both provide something this team sorely needs, although the team would still lack an elite playmaker that a player of Noel's elk needs (ala Tyson Chandler, Clint Capela & Javal McGee).

If Kawhi comes back then the team would only need to get a bit younger, athletic and offensively versatile to compete.

Also, salary dumping Patty for a 2nd round pick or a solid project/developmental player would also be a move I would make.....

[Thomas82]

We need rim protection in the worst way.

[Slippy]

Sure, but none of them were dominating the APG charts for that year. We need someoone who is capable of initiating the offense by putting pressure on the defense, starting with the ball in his hands, from the perimeter. This was something we were completely lacking this year.

Thats very good point about that spurs team but look at the initiators & passers on that team. As a collective they were very good & won a title.

[Pauleta14]

We need in priority a defensive big and a ball handler, either PG or SG, but someone who can keep it under pressure.

[CGD]

Joe Harris and Nerlens Noel could be good options if both are available in free agency. Both provide something this team sorely needs, although the team would still lack an elite playmaker that a player of Noel's elk needs (ala Tyson Chandler, Clint Capela & Javal McGee).

If Kawhi comes back then the team would only need to get a bit younger, athletic and offensively versatile to compete.

Also, salary dumping Patty for a 2nd round pick or a solid project/developmental player would also be a move I would make.....

Co-signed

I’d like to see if anything is salvageable with Noel. Harris is a solid role player at a postion of need.

[MultiTroll]

Replace
1. Crater nothing will change until.
2. Mills
3. Gasoft just cut the losses on this beyond retard contract.
4. Do no resign Parker for one penny over minimum. Otherwise let him walk. He has already talked of continuing to play as a non Spurs.
5. Forbes. What an idiotic draft.