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Avante

04-30-2018, 08:08 PM

Taking everything there is to judge a QB by...

wins
playoff success
QB rating
TD/INT
NFL records
comp %

I will give longevity at the top major props.

So when taking everything into account.

Aaron Rodgers 103.8 career QB rating, that is as good as it gets from an historical perspective.
Tom Brady 97.6
Drew Brees 96,7
Russell Wilson 98.8....only Rodgers beats this.
Big Ben...94.0
Philip Rivers...94.8
Matt Ryan...93.4
Matt Stafford...88.3
Andrew Luck...87.3
Alex Smith....87.4

Carson Wentz simply has too little NFL experience to belong ahead of any of those listed.

Derek Carr deserves mention. As does Eli Manning.

Jimmy G, Goff, still....?

Obviously ya can't talk the top NFL QB's of ALL TIME actually without talk of the amazing TOM SAVAGE THE BEST QB IN TEXAS.......yep....PERIOD~~~~~~~~

How many of those mentioned above have won a SB? Own NFL records, have led the NFL in TD passes and QB rating? Own the best win lose %? Never missed a game in his career. Started from day one. Yep.............................RUSSELL WILSON. Who also has rushed for more yards than anybody listed above.

If we looked at all those I listed above the best at under 30............Russell Wilson. What he has done in his first six seasons is better than what any of the others accomplished. Go ahead check it out.

Five pro bowls in hix first six seasons, who listed above can say that but Russell Wilson?

AaronY

04-30-2018, 08:16 PM

He isn't better than any of the QBs on that list. Considered putting him under HM but didn't wanna push it.
He's not better than Derek Carr or Nick Foles?

Avante

04-30-2018, 08:28 PM

He's not better than Derek Carr or Nick Foles?

Carr comp% 61.3, QB rating 87.5
Foles 60.1, 87.4
Wilson 64.0, 98.8...second best in history

Wilson owns a number of NFL firsts and records. That can't be said about about Carr/Foles.

Wilson has led the NFL in TD passes and QB rating, that can't be said about Carr/Foles.

Wilson has never missed a game, that can't be said about Carr/Foles.

So much fuss over Wilson, tons of this sort of thing out there, only a football know nothing wouldn't get this.

The below from an article about is Wilsoin the best young QB....EVER~~~~~~~~ He did have the best first six seasons....EVER~~~~~~~~~

Russell Wilson vs. Modern Era Young Quarterbacks

I’m fully aware that “Modern Era” is a dumb way to phrase this, but with this section, I’ll be talking through quarterbacks from 2000 through 2009.
Who’s contained in this group? Oh, you know, just a few Super Bowl champion gunslingers, including one of the best quarterbacks to ever live. No big deal.
The “Modern Era Young Quarterbacks” (it’s still dumb, I know) include names like Matt Ryan (http://www.spurstalk.com/nfl/players/matt-ryan), Joe Flacco (http://www.spurstalk.com/nfl/players/joe-flacco), Jay Cutler (http://www.spurstalk.com/nfl/players/jay-cutler), Alex Smith (http://www.spurstalk.com/nfl/players/alex-smith), Carson Palmer (http://www.spurstalk.com/nfl/players/carson-palmer), Ben Roethlisberger (http://www.spurstalk.com/nfl/players/ben-roethlisberger), Eli Manning (http://www.spurstalk.com/nfl/players/eli-manning), Marc Bulger (http://www.spurstalk.com/nfl/players/marc-bulger) and this guy who plays for the Patriots.
Because we’re analyzing more years here (2000 through 2009), the sample size is larger. And with a larger sample size, Russell Wilson’s got tougher competition.
Before we get started, can we just throw Alex Smith out of this discussion? Thanks.
Unlike the current young passers, the quarterbacks in this group have clearly played more than three seasons, the limitations I set when defining a young quarterback. But once you played three years, you’re no longer an inexperienced passer. Therefore, there’s no reason for me to analyze Tom Brady’s (http://www.spurstalk.com/nfl/players/tom-brady) 2007 season – I’m only going to look at 2000 to 2002, Tom Brady’s first three seasons in the league.
Just like the table above, below are the numbers for each quarterback involved in this group.

Quarterback

Passing NEP per Season

Passing NEP/P

Total NEP per Season

Matt Ryan

83.94

0.17

89.15

Joe Flacco

32.16

0.06

31.45

Jay Cutler

56.61

0.13

53.86

Carson Palmer

41.53

0.08

45.25

Ben Roethlisberger

45.61

0.12

52.21

Eli Manning

3.23

0.00

5.37

Marc Bulger

45.30

0.10

48.72

Tom Brady

16.61

0.03

18.00

Russell Wilson

79.34

0.18

104.84

Joe Montana, Slingin' Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, Johnny U, Fran Tarkenton, Bart Starr, Joe Namath, Roger the Dodger, Bradshaw, Marino, Young, Moon, Elway, Brady, Favre, Rodgers, Brees, Peyton, hell....TOM SAVAGE....never ..

passed for over 4000 yards
had over 30 passing TD's
rushed for over 500 yards

...in a season, only one QB in history has ever done that, yep..................Russell Wilson, and he came up 18 yards short of doing it again last season.

What QB holds the NFL record for mosrt TD passes in the 4th Q in a season, yep.....Russell Wilson.

Only one QB in history has ever started his career with back to back 100.0 QB ratings, yep.....Russell Wilson.

I challenge anyone to give me the QB who did it better than what Wilson has done in their first six seasons, come on, where he is?

How in the hell could anyone who follows football not get this?

Robz4000

04-30-2018, 08:55 PM

He's not better than Derek Carr or Nick Foles?

Nick Foles is on there because he's had stretches of looking monstrous and having a dominant playoff run. Carr has had an MVP-caliber season and a great rookie year. Struggle has yet to prove he can win without an elite defense. If he finds a way to take Seattle to the playoffs next season I'll have him in my Top 10.

Avante

04-30-2018, 08:58 PM

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NFL Career Leaders - Passer Rating
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Leaders based on 1500 pass attempts
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Passing

Player
Gms
Att
Cmp
Pct
Yds
Int
TD
Lg
Rating

1.
Aaron Rodgers (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/aaron-rodgers-rodgeaa01)A. Rodgers (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/aaron-rodgers-rodgeaa01), 2005-2017
149
4,895
3,188
65.1
38,502
78
313
93t
103.8

2.
Russell Wilson (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/russell-wilson-wilsoru01)R. Wilson (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/russell-wilson-wilsoru01), 2012-2017
96
2,834
1,815
64.0
22,176
56
161
80t
98.8

3.
Tom Brady (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/tom-brady-bradyto01)T. Brady (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/tom-brady-bradyto01), 2000-2017
253
8,805
5,629
63.9
66,159
160
488
99t
97.6

4.
Tony Romo (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/tony-romo-romoto01)T. Romo (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/tony-romo-romoto01), 2005-2016
150
4,335
2,829
65.3
34,183
117
248
85t
97.1

5.
Steve Young (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/steve-young-youngst01)S. Young (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/steve-young-youngst01), 1985-1999
169
4,149
2,667
64.3
33,124
107
232
97t
96.8

6.
Drew Brees (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/drew-brees-breesdr01)D. Brees (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/drew-brees-breesdr01), 2001-2017
250
9,294
6,222
66.9
70,445
228
488
98t
96.7

7.
Peyton Manning (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/peyton-manning-mannipe01)P. Manning (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/peyton-manning-mannipe01), 1998-2015
266
9,380
6,125
65.3
71,940
251
539
86t
96.5

8.
Philip Rivers (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/philip-rivers-riverph01)P. Rivers (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/philip-rivers-riverph01), 2004-2017
196
6,492
4,171
64.2
50,348
166
342
81t
94.8

9.
Ben Roethlisberger (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/ben-roethlisberger-roethbe01)B. Roethlisberger (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/ben-roethlisberger-roethbe01), 2004-2017
200
6,493
4,164
64.1
51,065
174
329
97t
94.0

10.
Kirk Cousins (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/kirk-cousins-cousiki01)K. Cousins (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/kirk-cousins-cousiki01), 2012-2017
62
2,096
1,372
65.5
16,206
55
99
81t
93.7

Kurt Warner (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/kurt-warner-warneku01)K. Warner (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/kurt-warner-warneku01), 1998-2009
125
4,070
2,666
65.5
32,344
128
208
85t
93.7

12.
Matt Ryan (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/matt-ryan-ryanma01)M. Ryan (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/matt-ryan-ryanma01), 2008-2017
158
5,593
3,630
64.9
41,796
126
260
90t
93.4

13.
Joe Montana (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/joe-montana-montajo01)J. Montana (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/joe-montana-montajo01), 1979-1994
192
5,391
3,409
63.2
40,551
139
273
96t
92.3

14.
Chad Pennington (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/chad-pennington-pennich01)C. Pennington (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/chad-pennington-pennich01), 2000-2010
90
2,471
1,632
66.0
17,823
64
102
80t
90.1

15.
Matt Schaub (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/matt-schaub-schauma01)M. Schaub (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/matt-schaub-schauma01), 2004-2016
145
3,274
2,093
63.9
24,867
90
133
80t
89.1

16.
Colin Kaepernick (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/colin-kaepernick-kaepeco01)C. Kaepernick (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/colin-kaepernick-kaepeco01), 2011-2016
69
1,692
1,011
59.8
12,271
30
72
80t
88.9

17.
Andy Dalton (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/andy-dalton-daltoan02)A. Dalton (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/andy-dalton-daltoan02), 2011-2017
109
3,556
2,217
62.3
25,534
93
167
86t
88.7

18.
Matthew Stafford (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/matthew-stafford-staffma01)M. Stafford (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/matthew-stafford-staffma01), 2009-2017
125
4,850
3,005
62.0
34,749
118
216
87
88.3

19.
Carson Palmer (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/carson-palmer-palmeca01)C. Palmer (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/carson-palmer-palmeca01), 2004-2017
182
6,307
3,941
62.5
46,247
187
294
91t
87.9

20.
Daunte Culpepper (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/daunte-culpepper-culpeda01)D. Culpepper (http://www.spurstalk.com/players/daunte-culpepper-culpeda01), 1999-2009
106
3,199
2,016
63.0
24,153
106
149
82t
87.8

Clipper Nation

04-30-2018, 09:03 PM

Well, that settles it, then. Kirk Cousins is a top 10 QB of all time. And Chad Pennington, Matt Schaub, Colin Kaepernick, Andy Dalton, and Daunte Culpepper are in the top 20.

Avante

04-30-2018, 09:09 PM

Nick Foles is on there because he's had stretches of looking monstrous and having a dominant playoff run. Carr has had an MVP-caliber season and a great rookie year. Struggle has yet to prove he can win without an elite defense. If he finds a way to take Seattle to the playoffs next season I'll have him in my Top 10.

Derek Carr rookie season.

comp% 58.1
TD'INT...21/12
Qb rating...76.6

Russell Wilson

64.1
26 (rookie record)/10
100.0.................how many rookies hit 100?

Robz4000

04-30-2018, 09:14 PM

Derek Carr rookie season.

comp% 58.1
TD'INT...21/12
Qb rating...76.6

Russell Wilson

64.1
26 (rookie record)/10
100.0.................how many rookies hit 100?

He played on a stacked team. Carr did not.

Avante

04-30-2018, 09:15 PM

Well, that settles it, then. Kirk Cousins is a top 10 QB of all time. And Chad Pennington, Matt Schaub, Colin Kaepernick, Andy Dalton, and Daunte Culpepper are in the top 20.

Well lets see we have Rodgers, Peyton, Montana, Brees, Brady, Big Ben, Young, there. Only Rodgers did it better than Wilson.

Now look at rushing,

Then look at winning %

Then look at comp%, TD/INT...ok?

Dude, try anything ya want, it just doesn't matter, Russell Wilson is right there with the legends.

Avante

04-30-2018, 09:20 PM

He played on a stacked team. Carr did not.

Who was his TE, how many stud receivers did he have?

So the hell with Terry Brashaw, Bart Starr, right? Both played on teams with 8 HOFers on them, they made 9. Peyton had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne. Johnny U had HOFers Ray Berry, Lenny Moore, John Mackey. Montana had Rice, Taylor, Craig.

Dude, your ignorance is showing.

Last season Wilson was running for his life, but....MVP talk, Pro Bowl, led the NFL with 34 TD passes.

When the guy is ranked in the top 15 NFLers by the players, now what?

I;ve seen then all since the late 50's, never seen a better QB right out of the gate than Russell Wilson, cat just walked in and started setting records.

Robz4000

04-30-2018, 09:25 PM

Who was his TE, how many stud receivers did he have?

So the hell with Terry Brashaw, Bart Starr, right? Both played on teams with 8 HOFers on them, they made 9. Peyton had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne. Johnny U had HOFers Ray Berry, Lenny Moore, John Mackey. Montana had Rice, Taylor, Craig.

Dude, your ignorance is showing.

Last season Wilson was running for his life, but....MVP talk, Pro Bowl, led the NFL with 34 TD passes.

When the guy is ranked in the top 15 NFLers by the players, now what?

The difference is they made a lot of those guys HoFers. You think fucking Reggie Wayne would be in the HoF without Manning?

Avante

04-30-2018, 09:33 PM

The difference is they made a lot of those guys HoFers. You think fucking Reggie Wayne would be in the HoF without Manning?

What??? Dude, stop with that silly shit, ok?

Where was Otto Graham without Levelli and Speedie, Motley? Where was Marino without the Marks bros? Where is Rice without Montana and Young? Where was Norm Van Brocklin without Tom Fears "Crazy Legs" Hirsh, Paul "Tank" Younger, "Deacon" Dan Towler, where was Don Maynard without Joe Namath,and on and on and on......Andre Reed without Jim Kelly.

Come on guy that 's all BS, ok? Hell, where was Emmitt behind that line Barry was behind?

Dude, you've never seen Wilson play or what? So when those TV guys are freaking out with.....magical...only he can make that play.....how does he do that...amazing...what are you thinking?

Avante

04-30-2018, 09:40 PM

When those who know the game like myself talk QB's we get this.....

Russell Wilson was among the best QBs in 2017
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Seattle fired its primary offensive coaches after the 2017 season, suggesting that the offense needs a major rebuild entering 2018. That may be true, though it must be noted that up until about week 13 Russell Wilson was a clear MVP candidate.
His production in 2017 -- leading the league in touchdown passes and breaking the record for fourth-quarter TD tosses in a single season -- could potentially go underappreciated in a year Seattle missed the playoffs and his coaches got canned, but at least one publication is handing out the necessary props

In a ranking of the top quarterbacks from the 2017 season (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2751014-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-quarterbacks-from-2017-season) assembled by Bleacher Report's Mark Schofield, Wilson lands at No. 3, behind Green Bay's Aaron Rodgers and New England's Tom Brady.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Google anyone talking the best NFL QB's today and Wilson is always in the top 6ish, and for you to not even mention him.......dude, ha~~~~~~~~~~~

Avante

04-30-2018, 10:17 PM

Yes Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers are GREAT, Peyton Manning was GREAT, but............where were they in those first six seasons? What QB walked right in and did more than what Russell Wilson has done before 30? Well?

The guy never had a Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Larry Fitzgerald, Tony Gonzales, Tim Brown, Chris Carter, yet his passing stats are great. What QB could have did what he did in 2017 behind that shit line, yep, only Russell Wilson.

Next week the NFL players will give out who they see as the top players, when Wilson is ranked in the top 15, maybe all you know nothings will start to figure this stuff out.

Avante

04-30-2018, 10:37 PM

Check it out.....

Final season at Wisconsin the guy sets an NCAA record when it comes to passing efficency for a season.

In his rookie NFL season he wins the starting job and ties the NFL touchdown record at 26 (Peyton) And posted a 100.0 QB rating.

In his second season he wins the SB and has another 100.0 QB rating. Only QB in history to post two 100 QB ratings in first two seasons.

In his third season he comes............................................. .................................................. .................that far from winning yet another SB.

Just how out of touch with realty are you midgets?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ihcc1b1Z4

Little people, I've seen a fucking TON of football, ok, hell...USFL, WFL,,,anyone remember that, AFL, SWC, DIV II, Div III, NAIA, JC. SWAC, MEAC, SEC, ACC, Big whatevers,,,,,,seen thousands of QB's, so why am I so high on Russell Wilson, come on...why? Yep, he is something special and if you can't see it it's you, got that?

Let's take Tom Bradys best numbers for his first six seasons and make one season.

Comp% 63.9
Yards 4,110
TD/INT...28-12
QB rating 92.6

Wilson

68.1
4, 214
34/7
110.1...led the NFL

What QB could beat Wilson at this? Dan Marino?

leemajors

04-30-2018, 11:28 PM

colin cowherd, way to back it up there.

Avante

04-30-2018, 11:44 PM

colin cowherd, way to back it up there.

Dude, do you honestly think ONLY Cowherd freaks out over the guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5qh08G_1qg

What amazes me is hasn't anyone here ever seen Russell Wilson play a game? Every game it's......amazing....magical...only Russell Wilson can do that. You've never heard that?

Want more videos of somebody raviing about Wilson?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU91_43doVk

Doesn't anyone watch the NFL? How can you miss all the raving over Russell Wilson? My God are you fucking deaf and blind?

His highlight video is on a whole other level than anyones....EVER....ok? He's doing things never seen before.

Give me another QB who can do this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiAMbIdO6RM

HarlemHeat37

05-01-2018, 12:52 AM

1. Rodgers
2. Brady

3. Stafford
4. Wilson
5. Brees

6. Watson
7. Wentz
8. Big Rape
9. Newton
10. Rivers or Garoppolo

Avante

05-01-2018, 02:00 AM

My bad, this TOP 100 NFL PLAYERS started tonight. Already in the 80's.

Ok here we go, now who would know better about the current players than the players? No not talking history, once upon a time, talking right now.

So where will Wilson be ranked?

Now if he were ranked 100, it would be....see see see he sucks, but when he shows up in the top 15, it wil be.....what do the players know, ha~~~~

UNT Eagles 2016

05-01-2018, 08:01 AM

Brady > Rodgers

SuperCam

05-01-2018, 07:03 PM

spurraider21

05-01-2018, 08:34 PM

i know you have your newton and rodgers shtick, so w/e...

but Dak #7 and Mariota #10? :lol

Avante

05-01-2018, 09:30 PM

Look at Mayfield right now, it's .....how long before he's playing? How long did Rodgers sit and learn? Tom Brady sat and learned.

For any rookie to walk right in and start from day one is a big deal. Then to be playing in SB's in their first three seasons, who does this?

In his entire career Dan Marino only had one season where he had a 100 QB rating, Russell Wilson has already had three in just six seasons.

I brag about the guy because of what he's doing and if ya understand the game then ya know he's special. HISTORICALLY....special. He has at least four.....only QB in history to ever............

There is no QB in NFL history who had a better first six seasons QB rating than Russell Wilson.

You can take any QB ever, and compare their career with Wilson and nobody did it better before 30, if talking starts, running, passing, winning. If he plays 14=16 years he will go on the Mount Rushmore for QB's.

People talk up Carson Wentz, ok, compare his first two seasons stats to Russell Wilson. Wilson the only QB in history to ever post 100 ratings his first two seasons, no QB in NFL history had more TD passes as a rookie. Notice that word.....history?

The guy is constantly voted to the pro bowl, always ranked high in the players rankings, has all those TV announcers raving about and him and I 'm a guy who grew up watching Unitas, Tarkenton, Starr play raving about him. How could anyone not get the greatness that is Russell Wilson?

In his 4th season but his first season as the starter, Aaron Rodgers put up...

63.6 comp %
28-13 TD/INT
93.8 QB rating

As a rookie Russell Wilson....

64.1
26-(rookie record) 10
100.0

Joe Montana would get..."different era"...because he was nowhere even remotely close to Wilson those first six seasons. Johnny U....a...hahahahahaha~~~ Yep, Tom Brady the GOAT can't match Wilson's first six seasons.

I get this...yippeeeeeee I can bother people on the internet with no repurcussions for my actions...because I play that also, BUT...don't look like a total idiot in doing it, ok?

You cannot talk the top10 NFL QB's playing today without Russell Wilson somewhere in the top sixish, if ya do you don't know the sport at all.

SuperCam

05-01-2018, 11:02 PM

i know you have your newton and rodgers shtick, so w/e...

but Dak #7 and Mariota #10? :lol

they are carrying teams to playoffs with no help on that side of the ball. any top 50 qb could succeed on steelers or falcons which have riches at every skill position tbh. only Cam carried a bigger pack of scrubs into the playoffs: WR rotation of Russell Shephard Brentin Berson Kaelin Clay and almost stealing playoff game in NO if Funchess wasn't a lazy faggot :tu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XYmGXIv6uk

romo couldn't do shit with same team :lol

Avante

05-01-2018, 11:27 PM

taking into account recent injuries and surrounding talent tbh...

1. Tom
2. Brees
3. Wilson
4. Newton
5. Rodgers
6. Rivers
7. Dak
8. Garopalo
9. Watson
10. Mariota
..
..
31. Eli
32. McCown
..
..
45. Flacco

You obviously don't know the game. There is nothing NOTHING that has Wilson/Newton/Brees above Aaron Rodgers, yep, can debate Brady.

You really do need to take some time and actually study just what Newtons career looks like, he is not all that and his numbers prove that out. Yes....12=16...sure.

Career numbers.

comp% 58.5........check out Rodgers, Wilson, Brady, Brees
QB rating....85.3.....check out any of the starting QB's with some experience.

Yes, he can run which is a nice weapon to have. Sure in the top half of the league but top 10...nay~~~~~~

See where the players rate him.

SuperCam

05-01-2018, 11:51 PM

Clipper Nation

05-01-2018, 11:53 PM

they are carrying teams to playoffs with no help on that side of the ball.

:lmao

Bill_Brasky

05-02-2018, 12:16 AM

1. #Tommy
2. Rodgers
3. Watson
4. Brees
5. Wilson
6. Stafford
7. Big Ben
8. Wentz
9. Jimmy G
10. Rivers

N0 LyF3 ScRuB

05-02-2018, 11:26 AM

I get there is a shtick that mobile QB's aren't that good around here, but its absolutely ridiculous to not have Cam as a top ten QB. He has consistently led his team in the playoffs, including leading the team in rushing this past year, because bum ass Jonathan Stewart couldn't even average 3.5 per carry. There's a reason players consistently say Cam is on par with Rodgers, Manning and Brady in regards to preparation difficulty. But whatever. Cam will end up top ten in rushing and passing touchdowns, as well as passing yards, and will be known as one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game when its said and done. The stats will 100% support it.

1 - Brady
2 - Rodgers
3 - Brees
4 - Roethlisberger
5 - Wilson
6 - Newton
7 - Rivers
8 - Ryan
9 - Wentz (hasn't proven shit in this league, yet some have him top five)
10 - Luck (inactivity)
3 -

N0 LyF3 ScRuB

05-02-2018, 11:31 AM

I haven't really posted up here much because I've been talking football on the PFF's forum - but to see people name people like Watson, Stafford, Luck, Jimmy G over Newton? Ridiculous.

benefactor

05-02-2018, 11:51 AM

You should log in under Kool Bob Love and your hockey alts so even more people can agree you

N0 LyF3 ScRuB

05-02-2018, 12:05 PM

You should log in under Kool Bob Love and your hockey alts so even more people can agree you

And you should probably start drinking early because your bum-ass Texans aren't going to make the playoffs again until they rebrand to the Oilers.

Good job signing Honey Badgers then using a draft pick on Justin Reid. Looks like your GM knows what to do.

benefactor

05-02-2018, 12:32 PM

Well my QB isn't Cam Newton, so there's that

Robz4000

05-02-2018, 12:34 PM

Well my QB isn't Cam Newton, so there's that

You also don't fuck cats or get bossed around by your gf's sister.

Blake

05-02-2018, 12:35 PM

Newton is the Russell Westbrook of the NFL

Clipper Nation

05-02-2018, 12:35 PM

Imagine thinking a Tyrod, Dalton, McCown tier QB deserves to be top 10. :lol

N0 LyF3 ScRuB

05-02-2018, 01:02 PM

Well my QB isn't Cam Newton, so there's that

Yep. Your QB already tore his ACL six games into his rookie year, and is one chip sack away from being a bust Bridgewater-style.

benefactor

05-02-2018, 01:33 PM

Yep. Your QB already tore his ACL six games into his rookie year, and is one chip sack away from being a bust Bridgewater-style.
Eh...ACL's get torn all the time. Freak accident that happened in practice. You know what doesn't happen all the time and he most likely won't do? This...

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6008673/camfumble2.0.gif

Pretty sure Watson won't pout like a 5 year old when he loses too

spurraider21

05-02-2018, 01:53 PM

And you should probably start drinking early because your bum-ass Texans aren't going to make the playoffs again until they rebrand to the Oilers.

Good job signing Honey Badgers then using a draft pick on Justin Reid. Looks like your GM knows what to do.
Mathieu signed a 1 year contract and is extremely position versatile. he can play safety in base packages, play corner in nickel. he can even do the minkah fitzpatrick thing and be a slot CB/LB hybrid

dont see how that gets in the way of drafting reid who is pretty firmly a safety

benefactor

05-02-2018, 05:01 PM

Mathieu signed a 1 year contract and is extremely position versatile. he can play safety in base packages, play corner in nickel. he can even do the minkah fitzpatrick thing and be a slot CB/LB hybrid

dont see how that gets in the way of drafting reid who is pretty firmly a safety
Even if they were both safeties Houston needed both. Rick Smith spent years plugging garbage off the trash heap into the safety position. It badly needed to be addressed.

Avante

05-03-2018, 12:29 AM

fuck off pedo. dodgers is a career choker, tbqh. look at his W-L going into the 4th quarter from behind, it is atrocious compared to the other QBs on that list. he is great at front running though.

939968427166400514

The only time Dodgers ever comes from behind is when in bed with the pool boy

Dude, you might be some sick ass pedo, I'm not, ok?

You have any idea at all just how damn stupid this list is?

1. Tom
2. Brees
3. Wilson
4. Newton
5. Rodgers
6. Rivers
7. Dak
8. Garopalo
9. Watson
10. Mariota
..

Dude, you know....0..about football.

Cam Newton woudn't make a zit on the butt of Aaron Rodgers and Jimmy G over Carson Wentz, based on what? Where is Big Ben, Stafford?

Avante

05-03-2018, 03:04 AM

I get these young guys in the NFL can't talk NFL history and they don't care. But, they do know what is going on in the work place right now. They get who can do what.

I will be putting a lot into where the players put Russell Wilson in the current rankings. I'm guessing somewhere around 12-15. He did lead the league in TD passes, he was in the MVP talk, he did make the pro bowl...AGAIN.

I have asked this numerous times yet nobody ever answers it, so I'll try yet sgain.

When you are watching Wilson play and the tv guys are....magical...only Russell Wilson makes that play....simply amazing....the guy is incedible.......just what are you thinking, well? It's as if some of you have never seen the guy play.

Raven

05-03-2018, 06:07 AM

i see, rodgers is still getting eternal credit ..

Avante

05-05-2018, 11:30 PM

Next season Aaron Rodgers will move past John Elway into ninth place all time when it comes to TD passes. Before he's done he will be in the top 5-7 in TD passes and yards, and I'm betting his comp &, TD/int, QB rating is right there with the best.

No conference compares to the PAC 8/10/12 when it comes to QB's, he is the best the conference has ever produced. He is the best former JCer also.

Smart, great arm and the ability to extend plays, yep, the total package.

leemajors

05-06-2018, 12:16 PM

maybe, he could also get hurt again.

spurraider21

05-06-2018, 01:58 PM

rodgers has been hurt like twice in his career. 2017 and 2014

he's not as injury prone as people pretend

leemajors

05-06-2018, 07:50 PM

rodgers has been hurt like twice in his career. 2017 and 2014

he's not as injury prone as people pretend

I was just saying it's far from a given.

Avante

05-06-2018, 11:00 PM

maybe, he could also get hurt again.

Since he became a starter in 2008....

16 games
16
15
9
16
16
16
7

Zero logic in thinking he'll get hurt again.

Avante

05-06-2018, 11:59 PM

This is pretty weak.

Texas QB's NFL success

Texas Southern?
Prairie View?
Stephen F Austin?
Lubbock?
UTEP/Texas Western?
West Texas St?
North Texas St?
East Texas St?
Texas A&I?
UTSA?
Texas Tech?
Rice?
SMU...Don Meredith
Baylor?
TCU....Slingin' Sammy Baugh
Dallas Baptist?
Sul Ross St?
Lamar?
Abilene Christian?
Houston?
Texas A&M?
Texas....Bobby Layne/Vince Young

Cam Newton did play at Blinn JC (track powerhouse)

SuperCam

09-11-2018, 07:30 AM

1. Rodgers
2. Brady

3. Stafford
4. Wilson
5. Brees

6. Watson
7. Wentz
8. Big Rape
9. Newton
10. Rivers or Garoppolo

So many casual fans sucking off this white fraud all of offseason, along with Carr Crash :lol

Killa' Cam continues to feast after the media put dirt on his grave :toast

SuperCam

09-11-2018, 07:34 AM

Figure the top three are made up of Rodgers, Brady, and Brees, but the next seven are kinda up in the air. What is ST's opinion?

Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Luck (if he's ever healthy again)
Rivers
Stafford
Big Rape
Wentz
Ryan
Carr

HM: Foles, Garoppolo

:lmao

HarlemHeat37

09-11-2018, 08:23 AM

So many casual fans sucking off this white fraud all of offseason, along with Carr Crash :lol

Killa' Cam continues to feast after the media put dirt on his grave :toast

You had Dak and Mariota in your top 10, my guy:lol..

There are only 2.5 consistent difference-making QBs in the NFL(Rodgers and Brady + Brees when he has a running game), anyways..

Cam is usually top 5, but he was coming off a terrible season..his supporting cast sucks again, not expecting much from a team building an offense around Christian McCaffrey:lol

SuperCam

09-11-2018, 08:26 AM

You had Dak and Mariota in your top 10, my guy:lol..

Dak still has a chance, no receivers and banged up line. Stafford was always a fraud but for some reason highly praised among the media...

mariota is probably a bust though, along with the rest of that terrible 2014/2015 QB draft class.

HarlemHeat37

09-11-2018, 08:49 AM

Elite: Brady, Rodgers

Really good: Brees

Inconsistent, but can carry offenses without much help: Newton, Wilson, maybe Luck when healthy

Nice potential and/or system QB: Goff, Garoppolo, Watson, Mahomes, Wentz

Still effective, but almost washed: Rivers, Big Rape

Above average talent, but overrated due to appearance: Stafford, Matt Ryan, Cousins

Average: Dalton, Tannehill, Winston, Smith, Dak

Not good: Flacco, Taylor, Mariota, Keenum, Carr, Bradford, Manning, Foles

Terrible: Bortles, Trubisky

Historically bad: Peterman

spurraider21

09-11-2018, 09:00 AM

SuperCam

09-11-2018, 09:29 AM

https://twitter.com/RobParkerFS1/status/1039498799301808128?s=19
:wow

one of the all time greatest frauds at the position, tbh. The Carmelo of the NFL...

Avante

09-11-2018, 01:07 PM

Noway I ever get caught up in....one....game.

SO....

1.Aaron Rodgers
2.Tom Brady
3.Drew Brees
4.Russell Wilson
5.Big Ben
6.Matt Ryan
7.Andrew Luck
8.Philip Rivers
9.Jared Goff

Don't know what to do with Wentz, so...?

SuperCam

10-29-2018, 02:17 PM

https://twitter.com/JakeDimes/status/1056931312827817985

Cripple Nation :lol

JohnnyD

10-30-2018, 08:33 AM

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Drew Brees
4. Patrick Mahomes
5. Big Ben
6. Russell Wilson
7. Cam Newton
8. Jared Goff
9. Philip Rivers
10. Andrew Luck

Blake

10-30-2018, 08:39 AM

He's a Big 12 QB, he'll be lucky to be in the league by week 8.

Excellent post

Robz4000

10-30-2018, 01:11 PM

Excellent post

Aged like fine wine.

:cry I always believed in him !!!!!!!! :cry

spurraider21

10-30-2018, 04:57 PM

Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Luck
Mahomes (!!?!?)
Wentz
Newton
Rivers
Wilson
Watson

give or take

N0 LyF3 ScRuB

10-30-2018, 07:19 PM

Cam is the best QB in the league.

JohnnyD

10-30-2018, 09:47 PM

Cam is the best QB in the league.

He does possess everything it takes to be a great NFL QB. Consistency has always been his problem.

HarlemHeat37

10-31-2018, 10:37 AM

Rodgers
Brady

Brees
Wilson
Mahomes

Rivers
Newton

Luck
Ryan
Wentz
Stafford
Watson
Roethlisberger
Cousins
Goff

Flacco
Smith
Dalton
Carr
Prescott
Mariota
Tannehill
Darnold

Trubisky
Keenum
Winston
Bortles
Beathard
Manning
Mayfield
Rosen
Allen

Clipper Nation

10-31-2018, 12:42 PM

Cam is the best QB in the league.
:lmao

Will Hunting

10-31-2018, 01:56 PM

Excellent post
To his point though, Mahomes might be the best B12 QB ever after just one season as a starter :lol

Blake

10-31-2018, 02:01 PM

To his point though, Mahomes might be the best B12 QB ever after just one season as a starter :lol

VY and RG3 both had great rookie seasons but everyone but Avante knows runners like that don't last long.

But yes, St Patrick still just might be that

Will Hunting

10-31-2018, 03:23 PM

VY and RG3 both had great rookie seasons but everyone but Avante knows runners like that don't last long.

But yes, St Patrick still just might be that
All he has to do is win a playoff game to have more than them put together.

Millennial_Messiah

10-31-2018, 03:28 PM

All he has to do is win a playoff game to have more than them put together.

I think he'll win the AFC if the AFC goes through Arrowhead

If the AFC goes thru Foxborough then he'll come up just short this year

Will Hunting

10-31-2018, 03:41 PM

I think he'll win the AFC if the AFC goes through Arrowhead

If the AFC goes thru Foxborough then he'll come up just short this year
So you’re telling that whichever team has the best record and HFA is more likely to win.

Brilliant take.

Millennial_Messiah

10-31-2018, 03:44 PM

So you’re telling that whichever team has the best record and HFA is more likely to win.

Brilliant take.
Yep. Pats haven't won a road playoff game in over a decade. 3 of those losses since their last win were to Peyton Manning, who Brady could never beat on the road.

Will Hunting

10-31-2018, 04:17 PM

Yep. Pats haven't won a road playoff game in over a decade. 3 of those losses since their last win were to Peyton Manning, who Brady could never beat on the road.
Crazy thought, but just maybe the home team winning more often in the playoffs has something to do with it having the better record and being the better team.

Blake

10-31-2018, 04:26 PM

So you’re telling that whichever team has the best record and HFA is more likely to win.

Brilliant take.

:lol

HarlemHeat37

10-31-2018, 05:13 PM

So you’re telling that whichever team has the best record and HFA is more likely to win.

Brilliant take.

:lol

Mitch

10-31-2018, 05:36 PM

Yep. Pats haven't won a road playoff game in over a decade. 3 of those losses since their last win were to Peyton Manning, who Brady could never beat on the road.

You saying it's easier to win at home, Andrew? Never figured that.

Millennial_Messiah

11-01-2018, 12:56 AM

You saying it's easier to win at home, Andrew? Never figured that.

I'm saying that the very best dynasties of all time in sports history win home and away... Pats haven't won away in the playoffs since the days of Seymour, RHarrison, Ted Washington etc... e.g. when their defense was the focus of their team (like the LOB in Seattle and not Russell Wilson) and not Brady.

Mitch

11-01-2018, 02:11 PM

I'm saying that the very best dynasties of all time in sports history win home and away... Pats haven't won away in the playoffs since the days of Seymour, RHarrison, Ted Washington etc... e.g. when their defense was the focus of their team (like the LOB in Seattle and not Russell Wilson) and not Brady.

I dunno about that, Andrew. If we're talking about dynasties then we have to start from the beginning for pats since they began from title #1. That makes their road record, if I'm not fudging a number, 3-4 in the playoffs. Pretty average for a road record. Who would be a better dynasty in modern football? Montana's 49ers with a 1-4 road record? You also mention home records... that's not going to help your argument either.

Who is the better dynasty, tbh? Packers from the 60s? :lol

Will Hunting

11-01-2018, 02:31 PM

Mitchslapped, tbh.

Millennial_Messiah

11-01-2018, 06:26 PM

Mitchslapped, tbh.

Lakers/Patriots :lmao

what is he also a Sox or Yankees fan?

Mitch

11-01-2018, 06:50 PM

Lakers/Patriots :lmao

what is he also a Sox or Yankees fan?

Answer the question, which dynasty is the best if road wins are so important Andrew?

Millennial_Messiah

11-01-2018, 07:03 PM

Answer the question, which dynasty is the best if road wins are so important Andrew?
answer the question about the bandwagoning first

Mitch

11-01-2018, 07:26 PM

answer the question about the bandwagoning first

I live in LA so Lakers and watched Patriots with my dad growing up. Easy, now answer.

Millennial_Messiah

11-01-2018, 11:27 PM

I live in LA so Lakers and watched Patriots with my dad growing up. Easy, now answer.

why? was he from Boston area? or just a bandwaggie himself?

Mitch

11-01-2018, 11:43 PM

why? was he from Boston area? or just a bandwaggie himself?

Dunno, he's been a pats fan since the early 80s and is friends with Willie Mcginest. You gonna answer the Q or not, andrew?

Will Hunting

11-02-2018, 08:29 AM

Dunno, he's been a pats fan since the early 80s and is friends with Willie Mcginest. You gonna answer the Q or not, andrew?
:lol is his name Andrew irl or something?

Mitch

11-02-2018, 11:36 AM

:lol is his name Andrew irl or something?

Yup

JohnnyD

11-05-2018, 06:29 PM

Best dynasty in pro football were the Cleveland Browns in their Otto Graham days.

From 1946-1955

won 104
lost 18
tied 3

10 times they played for the title.

JohnnyD

11-16-2018, 04:39 PM

Blake

11-16-2018, 05:07 PM

I can have who I want to win the SB for me.

First choice....Tom Brady

Then...

Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Big Ben
Philip Rivers
Andrew Luck
Patrick Mahomes
Jared Goff
Matt Ryan
Cam Newton

That sure is a lot of white guy pocket passers for a fat fuck that claimed the league would soon be run by a bunch of black mobile qbs.

You're such an idiot.

JohnnyD

11-16-2018, 05:42 PM

That sure is a lot of white guy pocket passers for a fat fuck that claimed the league would soon be run by a bunch of black mobile qbs.

You're such an idiot.

Who is the...WOW...this season, yep...a mobile black QB.

And I think it was more....have to have mobility. The days of standing tall in the pocket are without question coming to the end. Mayfield, Darnold, Allen are all mobile.

Dak, Watson, Wilson, Newton, Bortles, Jackson, Mariota, Trubisky can all motor. Hell...Alex Smith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVs1Eas8nZQ

He averaged 100 rushing attempts a season while at TT.

The days of the NFL one-dimensional pocket passer are over 25 comments (https://www.sbnation.com/2017/10/27/16559504/nfl-mobile-quarterbacks-pocket-passers-days-are-over#comments)

The best quarterbacks in the NFL right now are doing their best work outside on the move.

Sir Johnny

08-14-2019, 03:59 PM

That sure is a lot of white guy pocket passers for a fat fuck that claimed the league would soon be run by a bunch of black mobile qbs.

You're such an idiot.

Let's see.....

Russell Wilson
Jameis Winston
Kyler Murphy
Cam Newton
DeShaun Watson
Patrick Mahomes
Dak Prescott
Lamar Jackson
Dwayne Haskins

can all motor as compared to an Eli, Rivers, Brees. Just a matter of time.

Mariota, Rodgers, Trubisky, Mayfield, Darnold can all run.

Sir Johnny

08-14-2019, 04:05 PM

Currently

1.Drew Brees
2.Aaron Rodgers
3.Russell Wilson
4.Patrick Mahomes
5.Tom Brady
6.Philip Rivers
7.Big Ben
8.Matt Ryan
9.Matthew Stafford
10.Carson Wentz.........might belong higher?

Not talking history other than 2018. Obviously Brady is THE GOAT.

Blake

08-14-2019, 05:32 PM

^ what a shit list

Sir Johnny

08-14-2019, 06:08 PM

^ what a shit list

Translation

Who are those guys?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Lets do the best ever by franchise. Will mention a HOFer.

Browns....Otto Graham
Steelers....Big Ben....Terry Bradshaw
Bengals....Boomer Esaison
Ravens.....Joe Flacco
Pats...Tom Brady
Bills...Jim Kelly
Jets...Joe Namath
Dolphins....Dan Marino.....Bob Griese
Raiders...Ken Stabler
Chargers...Philip Rivers...Dan Fouts
Broncos....John Elway
Chiefs....Patrick Mahomes....Len Dawson
Colts....Peyton Manning.....Johnny U
Titans/Oilers....Warren Moon
Jags....Mark Brunell
Texans....Deshaun Watson
Niners.....Joe Montana....Steve Young/Y.A.Title
Rams....Kurt Warner
Seahawks...Russell Wilson
Cards....Jim Hart
Packers...Aaron Rodgers....Bret Favre/Bart Starr
Bears....Sid Luckman
Lions....Matthew Stafford
Vikings...Fran Tarkenton
Falcons....Matt Ryan
Panthers....Cam Newton
Saints...Drew Brees
Buc;s...Vinny Testerverde
Cowboys....Troy Aikman....Roger Staubach
Eagles...Donovan McNabb
Giants....Eli Manning
Redskins....Sonny Jurgenson

Blake

08-14-2019, 06:34 PM

There's no translation. You made a shitty list. You're a shit posting idiot.

Sir Johnny

08-14-2019, 06:37 PM

There's no translation. You made a shitty list. You're a shit posting idiot.

Blake, that list was far better than anything your dumb ass could come up with. And thev only shit posting idiot around here is you.

Tell us all again how many yards Nick Chubb averaged in....ONE...game, what a total moron. Who was talking one game stupid?

How is the guy doing by the way, ha~~~~~~~~~~~

So a Chiefs fan, ok talk to me about Warren McVea.

Blake

08-14-2019, 06:43 PM

Oh look who's further shitting up the thread

Sir Johnny

08-14-2019, 06:57 PM

Oh look who's further shitting up the thread

Stupid, this thread was long dead, so look who resurrected it.

Blake, why are always so fucked up? Why the shit mood 100% of the time?

You really can't talk the Chiefs can ya? Have no clue who McVea was, right?

spurraider21

11-11-2019, 05:01 PM

right now

1. Mahomes
2. Wilson
3. Watson
4. Brady
5. Rodgers
6. Lamar Jackson
7. Brees
8. Dak
9. Wentz
10. Carr

Robz4000

11-11-2019, 05:40 PM

spurraider21

11-11-2019, 06:00 PM

Mahomes
Rodgers
Struggle
Brady
Watson
Brees
Jackson
Carr
Rivers
Ryan

QB position is actually the weakest it's been in a long time tbh. Jackson is looking dominant but I'm not sure if its sustainable. Only elite QBs are Mahomes, Rogers, Struggle, and Brady (not even sure Brady qualifies anymore but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt).
i was tempted to put jackson higher... and even though im trying to make my rankings "in the now" i cant put him above brady/rodgers, even tho he's outplayed them this year to this point.

i dont see how you have rivers up there this year. stafford's been better than him. i can see ryan because he's been playing fine individually, just on a lousy team, and we've seen him be an mvp level player when things are better situated. but rivers' decline is noticeable tbh

i want to put carr higher like you did, but tbh he's playing a lot like 2017 alex smith. which isn't a bad thing, it was the best year of smith's career. but he's a high end system qb/game manager. moves the sticks, doesnt turn it over, and is capable of 2 minute drives. i have dak/wentz above him because they seem to be carrying their teams more than carr is. we still aren't seeing the 2016 carr imo, even if his stats are better right now.

Robz4000

11-11-2019, 06:19 PM

i was tempted to put jackson higher... and even though im trying to make my rankings "in the now" i cant put him above brady/rodgers, even tho he's outplayed them this year to this point.

i dont see how you have rivers up there this year. stafford's been better than him. i can see ryan because he's been playing fine individually, just on a lousy team, and we've seen him be an mvp level player when things are better situated. but rivers' decline is noticeable tbh

i want to put carr higher like you did, but tbh he's playing a lot like 2017 alex smith. which isn't a bad thing, it was the best year of smith's career. but he's a high end system qb/game manager. moves the sticks, doesnt turn it over, and is capable of 2 minute drives. i have dak/wentz above him because they seem to be carrying their teams more than carr is. we still aren't seeing the 2016 carr imo, even if his stats are better right now.

Benefit of the doubt like Brady and Brees. He hasn't been that bad this year and if not for several chokes the Chargers would be in contention for the third seed.