Report: Spurs looking to trade Leonard this summer

[tholdren]

ya know... i woulda been perfectly content with the spurs fading into irrelevance as the big 3 aged and retired. that was the expected outcome for a long time.

but it's pretty shitty for things to go downhill in this manner, we had a sense of hope with kawhi that this team would be legit for another 6-7 years
Thats what happens when you get classless losers to play on your team. Todays nba. Just sad

[daslicer]

ya know... i woulda been perfectly content with the spurs fading into irrelevance as the big 3 aged and retired. that was the expected outcome for a long time.

but it's pretty shitty for things to go downhill in this manner, we had a sense of hope with kawhi that this team would be legit for another 6-7 years

I agree I would have been fine after 2015 if the big 3 had retired and we didn't get LMA. When the Spurs got LMA I thought him and Kawhi would form a legit duo that would keep the spurs elite like you said for the next several years.

[MaNu4Tres]

A few months back I said Spurs should tank for Doncic and y'all laughed at me...
Now? Everyone wants to trade Leonard for high lottery pick.

Doncic is overrated imo.

He'll disappoint everyone that thinks he will be a star.

I see him as role player/fringe starter.

[tholdren]

I agree I would have been fine after 2015 if the big 3 had retired and we didn't get LMA. When the Spurs got LMA I thought him and Kawhi would form a legit duo that would keep the spurs elite like you said for the next several years.

You were wrong because you are dumb

[daslicer]

You were wrong because you are dumb

Actually no I was wrong because Kawhi's uncle sabotaged everything. Spurs were an elite team in both '16 and '17. This year they weren't elite due to Kawhi not playing.

[rjv]

Doncic is overrated imo.

He'll disappoint everyone that thinks he will be a star.

I see him as role player/fringe starter.

that was the same sentiment most had about manu. doesn't mean you're wrong. it's all part of the risk of the draft when there is no sure thing.

[K...]

The cool thing about donic is threatening to stay in Europe and could Kobe his way to us, or fall to a pick the Spurs could get

[tholdren]

Actually no I was wrong because Kawhi's uncle sabotaged everything. Spurs were an elite team in both '16 and '17. This year they weren't elite due to Kawhi not playing.

You were wrong. You misjudged his character. And youre making excuses like hes incapable of making his own decisions. Wrong and dumb

[daslicer]

You were wrong. You misjudged his character. And youre making excuses like hes incapable of making his own decisions. Wrong and dumb

:lol So you believe Kawhi is calling all the shots and not his uncle? Anyways you should be able to relate to Kawhi since like him you are mentally challenged.

[spurraider21]

i think it would be a massive mistake for phoenix to take doncic over ayton

[tholdren]

:lol So you believe Kawhi is calling all the shots and not his uncle? Anyways you should be able to relate to Kawhi since like him you are mentally challenged.

Lol hahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhah ahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahh ahahshahahahahshh

Blaming an uncle. Emoji and name calling. Sad to be you. So emotional

[daslicer]

Lol hahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhah ahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahh ahahshahahahahshh

Blaming an uncle. Emoji and name calling. Sad to be you. So emotional

:lol Wow troll meltdown.

[tholdren]

:lol Wow troll meltdown.
Sad to be you on a msg board responding to trolls. But you have awful takes so not shocked

[Mal]

Take 76ers package - Saric, Covington, Fultz, #10 for Leonard (with extension) - take Bayless contract if needed.
Pack Fultz + #18 for #3 (Hawks pick)
Take Porter Jr (#3), Mikail Bridges (Villanova) #10
Keep Green, Gay. Let Anderson, Forbes walk.

We've got shitload of talent, and some nice vets to still be competive in the west.

Or sign LeBron.

[Leetonidas]

:lol So you believe Kawhi is calling all the shots and not his uncle? Anyways you should be able to relate to Kawhi since like him you are mentally challenged.

:lol resident retard tholdren getting shit on in any thread he posts in

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Apparently the Suns are open to offers for the #1 pick. Not actively shopping but listening. Probably means nothing but interesting.

[exstatic]

:lol resident retard tholdren getting shit on in any thread he posts in

Considering that he did a forum runearlier, that’s a lot of shit.

[spurraider21]

Or sign LeBron.
i prefer that one

[tholdren]

:lol resident retard tholdren getting shit on in any thread he posts in

Pretty sad youre so in tune with reading my posts.

[coachmac87]

Doncic is overrated imo.

He'll disappoint everyone that thinks he will be a star.

I see him as role player/fringe starter.


You also thought Bell was the steal of the draft

[MaNu4Tres]

You also thought Bell was the steal of the draft

Apparently the Warriors did too :lol.

Its year 1...and he had a significant ankle injury in the middle of the year. Go look at what he did before he went down with an ankle injury. Wasn't the same after that, but he still has plenty of time.

[coachmac87]

Apparently the Warriors did too :lol.

Its year 1...and he had a significant ankle injury in the middle of the year. Go look at what he did before he went down with an ankle injury. Wasn't the same after that, but he still has plenty of time.



I mean from reading and seeing your posts I get the vibe you’re obsessed with athleticism..

I’m assuming that’s why you’re not high on Doncic but I could be wrong

[Joseph Kony]

Apparently the Warriors did too :lol.

Its year 1...and he had a significant ankle injury in the middle of the year. Go look at what he did before he went down with an ankle injury. Wasn't the same after that, but he still has plenty of time.
im sure its easy to shine when you have a limited role on a team filed with all stars and excellent defensive players while not being asked to do anything but hustle :rolleyes

[tholdren]

im sure its easy to shine when you have a limited role on a team filed with all stars and excellent defensive players while not being asked to do anything but hustle :rolleyes

Emoji meltdown!!!!!!

[MaNu4Tres]

I mean from reading and seeing your posts I get the vibe you’re obsessed with athleticism..

I’m assuming that’s why you’re not high on Doncic but I could be wrong

I think Doncic will be a solid contributor, role player or at best an above avg starter. I don't think he's anywhere close to a lock to be a star though.

You need above avg athleticism for that in today's NBA, especially on the perimeter.

He's going to be targeted defensively ( that's a negative half of the game), and he doesn't have the pop or juice offensively to reach elite status on offense.

Expectations for a number 1 pick usually are sky high. I don't think he'll match those expectations, doesn't mean he'll be a bad player.

[MaNu4Tres]

im sure its easy to shine when you have a limited role on a team filed with all stars and excellent defensive players while not being asked to do anything but hustle :rolleyes

I think you're looking for the wrong things when assessing a prospect. There's a lot of context.

My expectations for Bell were never high ( as in I didn't expect him to come in and be an All Star right away). My expectations for him as a ROLE PLAYER were high. And at the end of the 1st or early 2nd, that's what you want.

With Doncic, as a number 1 pick, his expectations are sky high. He's suppose to be a star. I don't think he will be, he will still be a contributor like a Belinelli, but not a star imo.

[coachmac87]

I think Doncic will be a solid contributor, role player or at best an above avg starter. I don't think he's anywhere close to a lock to be a star though.

You need above avg athleticism for that in today's NBA, especially on the perimeter.

He's going to be targeted defensively ( that's a negative half of the game), and he doesn't have the pop or juice offensively to reach elite status on offense.

Expectations for a number 1 pick usually are sky high. I don't think he'll match those expectations, doesn't mean he'll be a bad player.

I agree on what you’re saying regarding his “weaknesses” but comparing him to the other available prospects imo other than Ayton his game is more ready/mature.

Who’s your top player on the board? And where do you have Doncic?

Again I’m not saying he’s a future HOF prospect but I do think he’s the most complete player

[Joseph Kony]

I think you're looking for the wrong things when assessing a prospect. There's a lot of context.

My expectations for Bell were never high ( as in I didn't expect him to come in and be an All Star right away). My expectations for him as a ROLE PLAYER were high. And at the end of the 1st or early 2nd, that's what you want.

With Doncic, as a number 1 pick, his expectations are sky high. He's suppose to be a star. I don't think he will be, he will still be a contributor like a Belinelli, but not a star imo.

I'm just pointing out that I think you could plug most players that have a good motor/work ethic into GS and they would produce because of the talent around them. Bell is solid but definitely not the steal of the draft and i dont think anyone would be saying that if he was playing anywhere else but GS.. I agree about Doncic though, i see a similar career arc as Rubio, maybe slightly better. Super hyped talented euro guard who underwhelms compared to his expectations but still is a solid contributor/starter

[tholdren]

I'm just pointing out that I think you could plug most players that have a good motor/work ethic into GS and they would produce because of the talent around them. Bell is solid but definitely not the steal of the draft and i dont think anyone would be saying that if he was playing anywhere else but GS.. I agree about Doncic though, i see a similar career arc as Rubio, maybe slightly better. Super hyped talented euro guard who underwhelms compared to his expectations but still is a solid contributor/starter

Lol wrong

[MaNu4Tres]

I agree on what you’re saying regarding his “weaknesses” but comparing him to the other available prospects imo other than Ayton his game is more ready/mature.

Who’s your top player on the board? And where do you have Doncic?

Again I’m not saying he’s a future HOF prospect but I do think he’s the most complete player

I think this draft is overrated up top. I see a lot of solid players 1-20ish, but no star potential. Imo

There will be a few 2nd rounders solid enough defensively to carve out a career in the league.

[NASpurs]

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[Joseph Kony]

997632884264579072

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[Ice009]

I agree I would have been fine after 2015 if the big 3 had retired and we didn't get LMA. When the Spurs got LMA I thought him and Kawhi would form a legit duo that would keep the spurs elite like you said for the next several years.

Yep. I was fine with rebuilding after the big 3 retired, but after the Spurs drafted Kawhi and then with all the hard work he did to turn himself into a Superstar, plus getting LA on top of that, I thought we're back again for another 7-8 years or so. This really sucks if it all goes down like this. Going out like this, if Kawhi is traded (and LA as well if the current rumour of him wanting out is true), I wasn't prepared for.

[Gordy58]

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/997584040952819712

[daslicer]

Yep. I was fine with rebuilding after the big 3 retired, but after the Spurs drafted Kawhi and then with all the hard work he did to turn himself into a Superstar, plus getting LA on top of that, I thought we're back again for another 7-8 years or so. This really sucks if it goes down like this. Going out like this, if Kawhi is traded, I wasn't prepared for.

It sucks a potential 7 year window of being a contender was taken away from the Spurs due to Kawhi being a retard controlled by his opportunistic Uncle.

[Nathan89]

I would wait for the young pieces to mature if I were the Suns. Trading for a win now piece during the era GSW isn't in their best interests.

[Ice009]

I would wait for the young pieces to mature if I were the Suns. Trading for a win now piece during the era GSW isn't in their best interests.

How about trading the Suns both Kawhi and LA. We'll take all their young pieces and they can start contending now. I guess they wouldn't have enough to match salaries in a trade like that.

[smaka]

Doncic is overrated imo.

He'll disappoint everyone that thinks he will be a star.

I see him as role player/fringe starter.


I think Doncic will be a solid contributor, role player or at best an above avg starter. I don't think he's anywhere close to a lock to be a star though.

You need above avg athleticism for that in today's NBA, especially on the perimeter.

He's going to be targeted defensively ( that's a negative half of the game), and he doesn't have the pop or juice offensively to reach elite status on offense.

Expectations for a number 1 pick usually are sky high. I don't think he'll match those expectations, doesn't mean he'll be a bad player.
How many of his games did you watch, honestkh?

[Ice009]

How many of his games did you watch, honestkh?

What's your opinion? I haven't watched him play, but if I were drafting 1st or 2nd, I'd be worried about his athleticism.

How is his athleticism compared to the top NBA players?

[MaNu4Tres]

What's your opinion? I haven't watched him play, but if I were drafting 1st or 2nd, I'd be worried about his athleticism.

How is his athleticism compared to the top NBA players?

Compared to other star perimeter initiators, below average.

[smaka]

What's your opinion? I haven't watched him play, but if I were drafting 1st or 2nd, I'd be worried about his athleticism.

How is his athleticism compared to the top NBA players?
I watched most of his games (probably around 90%) this season, starting with practice games before Eurobasket in August. To be fair, he was in best shape during Eurobasket and then kept this shape for a couple of months, followed by a slight decline somewhere around New year, with getting back in rhythm a couple of months later. Obviously, he is not as athletic as top NBA players, and I can guarantee you he will never be Lebron or Westbrook type of player, concerning athleticism. But it's not as bad as some people keep mentioning either. The reason why some mention it is, I would say, the fact that he is the type of player who doesn't need to rely on athleticism due to his high basketball IQ, great vision and understanding of the game. He does things in a game seamlessly, without the need of some "animal-like athleticism". His fundamental skills are extraordinary and I'd say those are the kind of things you cannot just learn, while he still has a lot of time and potential to work on his body (gaining muscles, losing fat and therefore become more explosive and athletic).

I would not say he is alarmingly unathletic or anything like that. He just has so many skills, that he does not need to rely on pure power to dominate the game. But if you watch the games, not just highlights, you can see that he is fast and athletic, with a lot of potential to improve too. He has always seemed like a perfect Spurs type of player, and I would really love to see him here. One can drram, they say.

[Russ]

What's your opinion? I haven't watched him play, but if I were drafting 1st or 2nd, I'd be worried about his athleticism.

How is his athleticism compared to the top NBA players?

So what about Dzanan Musa, the poor man's Docic?

[Texas_Ranger]

So what about Dzanan Musa, the poor man's Docic?

how is Musa a poor man's Doncic? He looks more like poor man's Hezonja. All he does is shoots.

[duncan2150]

Apparently the Warriors did too :lol.

Its year 1...and he had a significant ankle injury in the middle of the year. Go look at what he did before he went down with an ankle injury. Wasn't the same after that, but he still has plenty of time.

he was not that good, ok he had some good games but imo he's not a steal, he doesn't have an offensive game and is a little bit undersized.

one thing you're right is that's it's just year 1 and he could improve.

[MaNu4Tres]

he was not that good, ok he had some good games but imo he's not a steal, he doesn't have an offensive game and is a little bit undersized.

one thing you're right is that's it's just year 1 and he could improve.

For the 38th pick he was a steal.

His first NBA season he put up a PER of 18.0, BPM of 3.7.

Avg. 5 points, 4 boards, 1 block per game in a limited 12-14 minute role on a championship team where minutes are scarce playing behind Draymond. If it weren't for his injury, slowing down his momentum, he'd be playing over Looney like he was pre injury.

He's a finisher/ rim runner around the basket in DHOs/ PnRs on offense, nothing more -- and that is perfectly okay.

[tholdren]

For the 38th pick he was a steal.

His first NBA season he put up a PER of 18.0, BPM of 3.7.

Avg. 5 points, 4 boards, 1 block per game in a limited 12-14 minute role on a championship team where minutes are scarce playing behind Draymond. If it weren't for his injury, slowing down his momentum, he'd be playing over Looney like he was pre injury.

He's a finisher/ rim runner around the basket in DHOs/ PnRs on offense, nothing more -- and that is perfectly okay.

Not a steal. Just goes to show how you all get roped into media hype which misplaces good and bad players from hs up.

[BackHome]

True dat.

[cd021]

I would wait for the young pieces to mature if I were the Suns. Trading for a win now piece during the era GSW isn't in their best interests.


How about trading the Suns both Kawhi and LA. We'll take all their young pieces and they can start contending now. I guess they wouldn't have enough to match salaries in a trade like that.

I think they've fucked up the rebuild, outside of Booker. Chriss has been a bad NBA player thus far and Bender has underwhelmed, as has Jackson, Len also didn't work out.

Kawhi plus L.A would have to involve Chandler's expiring top balance out the salary but that would be the nuclear option for the Spurs.

Kawhi for Number 1 and number 16 would probably be enough to get him, that or the number 1 pick, Bender, and 31

[Thomas82]

Yep. I was fine with rebuilding after the big 3 retired, but after the Spurs drafted Kawhi and then with all the hard work he did to turn himself into a Superstar, plus getting LA on top of that, I thought we're back again for another 7-8 years or so. This really sucks if it all goes down like this. Going out like this, if Kawhi is traded (and LA as well if the current rumour of him wanting out is true), I wasn't prepared for.


It sucks a potential 7 year window of being a contender was taken away from the Spurs due to Kawhi being a retard controlled by his opportunistic Uncle.

[BillMc]

It sucks a potential 7 year window of being a contender was taken away from the Spurs due to Kawhi being a retard controlled by his opportunistic Uncle.

Yep. But maybe somehow the Kawhi thing will work out. Remains to be seen (though not promising now)

[BillMc]

I am posting this mainly because of the host's cleavage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhhlQci9W7Q

[spurs10]

I am posting this mainly because of the host's cleavage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhhlQci9W7Q Okay how many of you were saying ‘yeah great about Kawhi whatever it was she was saying...but now can we stare at her cleavage again....please..por favor???

Thanks Bill...good find.

[mudyez]

I am posting this mainly because of the host's cleavage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhhlQci9W7Q

Who is this Grant "Slam" Offa and can he hit corner threes?

[BillMc]

Okay how many of you were saying ‘yeah great about Kawhi whatever it was she was saying...but now can we stare at her cleavage again....please..por favor???

Thanks Bill...good find.

:lol I was. :bobo


Who is this Grant "Slam" Offa and can he hit corner threes?

Probably another 5 '10 guard to add to the collection. :lol

[weeks]

Who is this Grant "Slam" Offa and can he hit corner threes?
:lol

[tholdren]

Good find with the vid. Please post one of the coed dancers for el nono and leetonidas

[MaNu4Tres]

You also thought Bell was the steal of the draft

Jordan Bell ballin in game 4 of the WCF.

Kerr going to him over West has been huge.

A rookie over a vet..

[coachmac87]

Jordan Bell ballin in game 4 of the WCF.

Kerr going to him over West has been huge.

A rookie over a vet..


Bell is in the perfect opportunity to excel...couldn’t have landed in a perfect spot.

But you were high on him before he was drafted by Warriors...I believe you said he was top 15. He fell for a reason...:but I project him to be their starting center going forward..that’s if he’s not a bust



Only reason I brought up Bell is because he was your pet cat in the draft...yet you’re not a fan of one of the best European prospects the in the past 15 years? In which I pointed out your obsession of athleticism traits over “basketball skill”

[MaNu4Tres]

Bell is in the perfect opportunity to excel...couldn’t have landed in a perfect spot.

But you were high on him before he was drafted by Warriors...I believe you said he was top 15. He fell for a reason...:but I project him to be their starting center going forward..that’s if he’s not a bust



Only reason I brought up Bell is because he was your pet cat in the draft...yet you’re not a fan of one of the best European prospects the in the past 15 years? In which I pointed out your obsession of athleticism traits over “basketball skill”

Seems to me you're one of those fans that cant grasp context. I'll try it again....

He was a player I loved at 28, and a player with high role player upside. I had him in my top 15 prospects. I never expected him to be a star or an All Star. I did think he'd be a great versatile defender/smart rim runner PnR roller on O -- which is important to open up weak side action.

As for Doncic, I think Doncic will be a solid player in the NBA. I just don't think Doncic will live up to expectations of being an All Star or a franchise player.

He'll be a a solid role player like prime Sonics Brent Barry in my opinion.

[coachmac87]

Seems to me you're one of those fans that cant grasp context. I'll try it again....

He was a player I loved at 28, and a player with high role player upside. I had him in my top 15 prospects. I never expected him to be a star or an All Star. I did think he'd be a great versatile defender/smart rim runner PnR roller on O -- which is important to open up weak side action.

As for Doncic, I think Doncic will be a solid player in the NBA. I just don't think Doncic will live up to expectations of being an All Star or a franchise player.

He'll be a a solid role player like prime Sonics Brent Barry in my opinion.


I’ve grasped the context lol and I’ve made it clear why I said what I said in my last post. You get a hard on for athleticism..it’s why you loved Bell and it’s why you aren’t high on Doncic..

And clearly ignoring their true skills. Which is why Doncic can go #1 and why Bell fell to the 2nd round.

[MaNu4Tres]

I’ve grasped the context lol and I’ve made it clear why I said what I said in my last post. You get a hard on for athleticism..it’s why you loved Bell and it’s why you aren’t high on Doncic..

And clearly ignoring their true skills. Which is why Doncic can go #1 and why Bell fell to the 2nd round.

You still don't get it.

Being high on Bell at 28 is entirely different than not being high on Doncic at 1.

The difference in draft position is substantial. I think Doncic has more skills than Bell, I just think Doncic will be nothing more than a solid role player in the NBA -- which is why I'm not high on him at 1. At 7, I'd be high on him. At 15, Id be very high on him. At 28, I'd be incredibly infatuated with him. There's context you need to understand.

[coachmac87]

You still don't get it.

Being high on Bell at 28 is entirely different than not being high on Doncic at 1.

The difference in draft position is substantial. I think Doncic has more skills than Bell, I just think Doncic will be nothing more than a solid role player in the NBA -- which is why I'm not high on him at 1. At 7, I'd be high on him. At 15, Id be very high on him. At 28, I'd be incredibly infatuated with him. There's context you need to understand.


No you’re not getting the context. You had bell in your Top 15..due to strictly athleticism...he went 32nd. Why?? Because he doesn’t have basketball skills.

You’re not high on Doncic..why? Because of his lack of athleticism..he could go #1 overall.. Why? Because of his basketball skills

Do you not see your possible flaw in player?

.I’m strictly pointing out your obsession evaluating players based solely on athleticism..you twisted the “context” to make your point lol

[MaNu4Tres]

No you’re not getting the context. You had bell in your Top 15..due to strictly athleticism...he went 32nd. Why?? Because he doesn’t have basketball skills.

You’re not high on Doncic..why? Because of his lack of athleticism..he could go #1 overall.. Why? Because of his basketball skills

Do you not see your possible flaw in player?

.I’m strictly pointing out your obsession evaluating players based solely on athleticism..you twisted the “context” to make your point lol

Due to strictly athleticism? You're wrong.

Been watching the league for 25 years, it's the total package for the role a player is aligned to fill in the NBA. I don't make judgements solely off of athleticism.

For the role I anticipated Bell filling .....PnR diver/rim runner/ finisher/ passer out of the short roll in PnRs/ DHO on O --- versatile defender that can switch and defend all 5 positions on D.

Bell did a lot of things on the court very well for the role I presumed he would fill. He wasn't going to have to be a post up player, a great shooter, or a play initiator for him to be highly effective given the role I saw him filling in the NBA. That's why I really liked him.

Does that seem I make assessments just based on athleticism? Or is there context that you can't understand?

[ducks]

gUESS NOW!