How likely is LeBron James to join the Spurs this summer?

[DAF86]

He should go to the Knicks and take them to the Finals IMO, would be a Godly accomplishment and generate extra credit due to the New York factor..nobody is beating the Warriors anyways:lol

Somebody is beating the Warriors in the next two years, tbh. If Lebron comes to SA, the Spurs will be that team.

[gambit1990]

Being a fan or not, Bosh was clearly levels better than Capela even though Clint has worked himself into a modern day valuable piece (even though he was pretty much negated most of the GS series)
i'm taking capela.


Paul would still gimp out before or during the playoffs. It's what he does.
lebron would handle the ball much more responsibly than harden so cp3 would have less of a workload.

and lebron would have less of a workload because of the supporting cast he'd have.

[gambit1990]

Somebody is beating the Warriors in the next two years, tbh. If Lebron comes to SA, the Spurs will be that team.
agreed.

[cool cat]

If there is even a chance to get Lebron you go all, you sell Manu's last nut to make it happen.

[r0drig0lac]

Damn, Lebron actually remembered Gary Neal (with it) :lol:lol:lol

Lebron is a fucking basketball genius

[DAF86]

He should go to the Knicks and take them to the Finals IMO, would be a Godly accomplishment and generate extra credit due to the New York factor..nobody is beating the Warriors anyways:lol


Somebody is beating the Warriors in the next two years, tbh. If Lebron comes to SA, the Spurs will be that team.

I mean, Houston would have probably beaten them if not for Paul's injury, and the fucking Cavs were right there in 2 of 3 games with fucking shit surrounding Lebron. Swap that shit with Kawhi, Aldridge, Pop, etc. and those 2 or 3 plays you need to swing the outcome of a game go your way. If Lebron chooses wisely, he can easily get 1 or 2 more rings of this Warriors era.

[coachmac87]

If LeBron came here, then kiss good bye Murray and the draft pick just to get him, plus every other measure to cap clear bc he’s already said he’s never playing for less than the max again. So no lineups with Murray or Gay or a new draft pick.

Smh...Broussard again said today “Basketball Wise” SA is his best option...

[TimDunkem]

No, they are, but not by this old-school team. Even having a FL of Leonard-LBJ-LMA, this team is still and old school team, with basically no backcourt. GSW will be beaten by one of the new super athletic teams, where they can truly switch everything, react to any mismatch. I am thinking about Philly, Boston or the Bucks.

Look at the problems the Pelicans caused to GSW.

Aldridge needs to go in favor of a dynamic guard, tbh, imho.

[TD 21]

Spurs playing in a so called non glamorous city and James' lust for power are two well known strikes against them. But far less talked about is, his affinity for controlling narrative. He knows that if he won a championship(s) here, even though they'd have to take down an all-time team, it would still be the 6th in 2 decades (or more) for the most successful organization in that timeframe, so they'd receive a substantial portion of the credit.

With the Rockets, even though they'd be even more talented than the Warriors, if/when they beat them, the narrative would still be that he took an organization that hadn't won a championship in 24 (or more) years, 2 superstars who had never won and a prominent coach who hadn't either.

With the 76ers, the narrative would be that he took a bunch of kids to the promised land and an organization that hadn't been in 36 (or more) years.

If the Spurs even want to think of getting an audience with James and his representation, they need to mend the relationship with Leonard and convey confidence in his being healthy and his injury not derailing his career, at least anytime soon.

[Seventyniner]

Spurs playing in a so called non glamorous city and James' lust for power are two well known strikes against them. But far less talked about is, his affinity for controlling narrative. He knows that if he won a championship(s) here, even though they'd have to take down an all-time team, it would still be the 6th in 2 decades (or more) for the most successful organization in that timeframe, so they'd receive a substantial portion of the credit.

I don't know about that. The Spurs only have one title since 2007 and it happened before the rise of the Warriors.

LeBron didn't have a problem forming a superteam in his prime, though Miami is certainly a more desirable place to live than SA for the vast majority of NBA players. There are plenty of parallels to Miami in 2011. Pop = Riley, Kawhi = Wade, Aldridge = Bosh. Maybe Manu or Tony = Haslem too. :lol

[TD 21]

I don't know about that. The Spurs only have one title since 2007 and it happened before the rise of the Warriors.

LeBron didn't have a problem forming a superteam in his prime, though Miami is certainly a more desirable place to live than SA for the vast majority of NBA players. There are plenty of parallels to Miami in 2011. Pop = Riley, Kawhi = Wade, Aldridge = Bosh. Maybe Manu or Tony = Haslem too. :lol

Still. They've been the most successful regular season team since then and the media loves giving Pop and his magical "system" and their culture credit. He wins one or more here, he'll definitely receive the most credit, but be viewed as a cog in the machine all the same.

Also, the Heat, despite a championship 4 years earlier at the time, weren't the established entity that the Spurs are.

[exstatic]

Still. They've been the most successful regular season team since then and the media loves giving Pop and his magical "system" and their culture credit. He wins one or more here, he'll definitely receive the most credit, but be viewed as a cog in the machine all the same.

Also, the Heat, despite a championship 4 years earlier at the time, weren't the established entity that the Spurs are.

LeBron has already established that he can't win one on his own. He created the Heatles, and then had Kryie, plus Love who was traded for their #1 pick Wiggins. He would get equal credit here as in Miami. He would be the lead of three All Stars. The Pop analog in Miami would have been Riley, who also had championship cachet.

[RichB]

As much as I would love to have LeBron here, I don’t want the Spurs dragging their feet on this either. I’d rather they deal Mills/Gasol, bring Milutoniv (spelling?) over, draft a legit 2-guard at #18, and then fill out the rest of the roster accordingly. If Lebron really wants to join the Spurs, it’ll happen.

[TD 21]

LeBron has already established that he can't win one on his own. He created the Heatles, and then had Kryie, plus Love who was traded for their #1 pick Wiggins. He would get equal credit here as in Miami. He would be the lead of three All Stars. The Pop analog in Miami would have been Riley, who also had championship cachet.

Created on his own (not entirely true, but I'll play along), as in not previously established. A lot of the core would theoretically remain intact here.

There's 2 differences between Pop and Riley. 1) Pop is still coaching, 2) The media gives him more credit because they underrate the great and very good players he's gotten to coach.

[coachmac87]

Spurs playing in a so called non glamorous city and James' lust for power are two well known strikes against them. But far less talked about is, his affinity for controlling narrative. He knows that if he won a championship(s) here, even though they'd have to take down an all-time team, it would still be the 6th in 2 decades (or more) for the most successful organization in that timeframe, so they'd receive a substantial portion of the credit.

With the Rockets, even though they'd be even more talented than the Warriors, if/when they beat them, the narrative would still be that he took an organization that hadn't won a championship in 24 (or more) years, 2 superstars who had never won and a prominent coach who hadn't either.

With the 76ers, the narrative would be that he took a bunch of kids to the promised land and an organization that hadn't been in 36 (or more) years.

If the Spurs even want to think of getting an audience with James and his representation, they need to mend the relationship with Leonard and convey confidence in his being healthy and his injury not derailing his career, at least anytime soon.


San Antonio small market is the only red flag...that’s if everything is worked out with Kawhi etc..

Everyone thought the same narrative about Durant but at the end of the day he’s gonna have 2 rings and possibly more if nothing is done about it. The media/people will get over it and tbh there isn’t more of a coward front running move than what he did... And speaking on Durant, he can catch or surpass LeBron in “rings” which could start a crazy stupid media narrative about who’s better etc.

LeBron legacy is on the line and a ring or two plus taking down the greatest dynasty ever (media standards) would push him to the top. It’s about beating them and getting the 4th or 5th ring and blowing MJ out of the water statistically will be the difference.

I think he’s going to Houston and I’ve said it since Melo tried to force his way there last offseason..but it has nothing to do about the narrative you laid out and everything to do with his close friend Paul..who’s pretty much D-Wade when it comes to friendship.

And tbh getting Paul to SA was my crying card last off-season because I knew it could be the ticket for LeBron..now we just gotta put our faith in Pop..which you and others gave up on. And quit with the “control” narrative too that’s total BS and was leverage against Gilbert and Cavs. LeBron has openly admired PATFO and I highly doubt he wouldn’t trust them in their doings.

[Dave_ET]

Spurs playing in a so called non glamorous city and James' lust for power are two well known strikes against them. But far less talked about is, his affinity for controlling narrative. He knows that if he won a championship(s) here, even though they'd have to take down an all-time team, it would still be the 6th in 2 decades (or more) for the most successful organization in that timeframe, so they'd receive a substantial portion of the credit.

With the Rockets, even though they'd be even more talented than the Warriors, if/when they beat them, the narrative would still be that he took an organization that hadn't won a championship in 24 (or more) years, 2 superstars who had never won and a prominent coach who hadn't either.

With the 76ers, the narrative would be that he took a bunch of kids to the promised land and an organization that hadn't been in 36 (or more) years.

If the Spurs even want to think of getting an audience with James and his representation, they need to mend the relationship with Leonard and convey confidence in his being healthy and his injury not derailing his career, at least anytime soon.

These are good points, however the best way to control the narrative is winning, and winning a lot. Lebron is making a decision on where to play the back 1/3 of his career, so he is going to value winning way higher than anything else. As I stated in my previous post, I think he sees through Houston’s flaws, and that Philly is too young for his timeline. Also, even if we won immediately next year with him that’s 5 years removed from a championship, and our first without TD. I do not think the Spurs would receive a substantial portion of the credit, more around 50/50. I think Spurs shortcomings in Houston vs SA narrative is less than the positive of sustained winning in SA vs Houston. Luckily he’s a smart dude. Obviously I could be completely wrong who knows.

[DAF86]

Is San Antonio really that shit of a city, sons? The way some speak is as if folks agreeing to play with the Spurs would have to agree to playing in a kind of Hell on Earth, tbh. :lol

[TD 21]

These are good points, however the best way to control the narrative is winning, and winning a lot. Lebron is making a decision on where to play the back 1/3 of his career, so he is going to value winning way higher than anything else. As I stated in my previous post, I think he sees through Houston’s flaws, and that Philly is too young for his timeline. Also, even if we won immediately next year with him that’s 5 years removed from a championship, and our first without TD. I do not think the Spurs would receive a substantial portion of the credit, more around 50/50. I think Spurs shortcomings in Houston vs SA narrative is less than the positive of sustained winning in SA vs Houston. Luckily he’s a smart dude. Obviously I could be completely wrong who knows.

The Spurs can't offer the best chance of winning either. Even though a healthy Leonard should be the number 1 player in the league he'd want to play with, the Rockets have better play makers (he supposedly wants to play off the ball more), their role players fit better and they play a more modern style.

He's also about as close to Paul as anyone in the league and though I'm not aware of the extent of his relationship with Harden, he's part of the in crowd, so I guarantee you he has more of one than he does with Leonard or Aldridge. Sure, he has somewhat of one with Murray and Green, but unless he's added a reliable spot up 3 in the off season, the former would be a terrible fit and both are role players.

[coachmac87]

Everyone here is quick to point out the flaws of him possibly coming here..and talk about why he should go elsewhere..

It’s hilarious tbh

[hater]

Is San Antonio really that shit of a city, sons? The way some speak is as if folks agreeing to play with the Spurs would have to agree to playing in a kind of Hell on Earth, tbh. :lol

Are you from argentina?

Imagine La Boca after everyone gained 200 pounds from one day to another and their sewer floodd and formed a creek where they put a few dinner tables and chairs around

[r0drig0lac]

As much as I would love to have LeBron here, I don’t want the Spurs dragging their feet on this either. I’d rather they deal Mills/Gasol, bring Milutoniv (spelling?) over, draft a legit 2-guard at #18, and then fill out the rest of the roster accordingly. If Lebron really wants to join the Spurs, it’ll happen.

nah, Lebron (and everything he brings in from good and bad) is way better than all of that (actually it's not even close)

[sasaint]

Is San Antonio really that shit of a city, sons? The way some speak is as if folks agreeing to play with the Spurs would have to agree to playing in a kind of Hell on Earth, tbh. :lol

Depends on your age/means/cravings. Most comments about San Antonio on ST are too subjective to be of any value. The city could be described as "wholesome". It seems to me that whether that would appeal to an NBA athlete would depend entirely on that individual athlete's values and marital status. I like it because it is a nice multi-cultural, multi-ethnic city that is very conducive to stress-free living. I don't know how multi-millionaire athletes navigate LA, for example, but for most of us, getting around that megalopolis is stressful and time consuming. Daily life in SA is way easier. That has always been important to me - but an NBA player, who knows? Most posters here focus on night life, not daily living. The night life here would probably appeal to a conventioneer from Topeka.

[Spurtacular]

Rumors have him going to Los Angeles, Houston, Philadelphia or San Antonio.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/lebron-james-delivered-now-does-he-exit/ar-AAylnAF?ocid=spartanntp

[Seventyniner]

Depends on your age/means/cravings. Most comments about San Antonio on ST are too subjective to be of any value. The city could be described as "wholesome". It seems to me that whether that would appeal to an NBA athlete would depend entirely on that individual athlete's values and marital status. I like it because it is a nice multi-cultural, multi-ethnic city that is very conducive to stress-free living. I don't know how multi-millionaire athletes navigate LA, for example, but for most of us, getting around that megalopolis is stressful and time consuming. Daily life in SA is way easier. That has always been important to me - but an NBA player, who knows? Most posters here focus on night life, not daily living. The night life here would probably appeal to a conventioneer from Topeka.

It's been a while since I lived in SA, but I visit from time to time. The moniker of "the biggest small town in the country" seems appropriate, though I haven't visited enough other big cities to know.

[Leetonidas]

Dijon already recruiting lebron

https://m.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-Dejounte-Murray-attends-Finals-game-12976553.php

[phxspurfan]

Spurs playing in a so called non glamorous city

:lol

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Depends on your age/means/cravings. Most comments about San Antonio on ST are too subjective to be of any value. The city could be described as "wholesome". It seems to me that whether that would appeal to an NBA athlete would depend entirely on that individual athlete's values and marital status. I like it because it is a nice multi-cultural, multi-ethnic city that is very conducive to stress-free living. I don't know how multi-millionaire athletes navigate LA, for example, but for most of us, getting around that megalopolis is stressful and time consuming. Daily life in SA is way easier. That has always been important to me - but an NBA player, who knows? Most posters here focus on night life, not daily living. The night life here would probably appeal to a conventioneer from Topeka.
Isn't really that multi ethnic anymore. Has really gone downhill in the past 25 years, poverty and crime have risen as the whites keep moving out in droves and are replaced by mas familias. On the bright side, if you need a mechanic you can find one on craigslist for really cheap because supply of this type of skilled labor way outpaces demand.

[tmtcsc]

The thought that Lebron would come to San Antonio seems far-fetched. However, after hearing some of his comments today about what it takes to beat the Warriors, I think he would entertain joining the Spurs. I can't put a percentage on it but it seems to me, just calling up some old buddies like CP3 and Paul George to form a "super team" is a fool's errand. You need a coach and GM who know how to put together a roster and strategy to win it all.

The team that makes the most sense to me is San Antonio w/ Kawhi Leonard and Aldridge. Lebron going to LA seems idiotic.

[tbdog]

The thought that Lebron would come to San Antonio seems far-fetched. However, after hearing some of his comments today about what it takes to beat the Warriors, I think he would entertain joining the Spurs. I can't put a percentage on it but it seems to me, just calling up some old buddies like CP3 and Paul George to form a "super team" is a fool's errand. You need a coach and GM who know how to put together a roster and strategy to win it all.

The team that makes the most sense to me is San Antonio w/ Kawhi Leonard and Aldridge. Lebron going to LA seems idiotic.

Exactly. What Durant did put a huge unbalance to the league. It may even need to take a paycut to compete against them.

[Kuestmaster]

Isn't really that multi ethnic anymore. Has really gone downhill in the past 25 years, poverty and crime have risen as the whites keep moving out in droves and are replaced by mas familias. On the bright side, if you need a mechanic you can find one on craigslist for really cheap because supply of this type of skilled labor way outpaces demand.

Well, if there's one thing LeBron sure wants in his new destination is a cheap mechanic.

LeBron to the Spurs confirmed.

[BillMc]

Well, if there's one thing LeBron sure wants in his new destination is a cheap mechanic.

LeBron to the Spurs confirmed.
:lol

[Uriel]

For those that like read into betting trends:

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I think the Spurs' odds will shoot up once the Spurs mend fences with Kawhi and people figure out the Rockets don't have the cap room to make the numbers work.

[r0drig0lac]

Well, if there's one thing LeBron sure wants in his new destination is a cheap mechanic.

LeBron to the Spurs confirmed.

can not fight the facts, I'm convinced.

[Chillen]

LeBron sure would look pretty bad ass wearing a Spurs jersey.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TclVKerLJq8

Chris Broussard say Lebron should come SA

[NameLess Scrub]

Lebron is a fucking basketball genius

I like to reserve that kind of conclusion for when someone is a coach or GM. Elite athleticism makes some players look smarter than they actually are.

[NameLess Scrub]

I mean, Houston would have probably beaten them if not for Paul's injury, and the fucking Cavs were right there in 2 of 3 games with fucking shit surrounding Lebron. Swap that shit with Kawhi, Aldridge, Pop, etc. and those 2 or 3 plays you need to swing the outcome of a game go your way. If Lebron chooses wisely, he can easily get 1 or 2 more rings of this Warriors era.

Assuming going to the Spurs is choosing wisely, he won't choose wisely.

[NameLess Scrub]

All of you know, deep in your hearts, that LeBron is not coming.

[BillMc]

His son going into high school is a factor. LA probably sounds a lot more fun to a 14 year old. Family will put pressure on LeBron. Not necessarily a deciding factor, but a major one.

[exstatic]

I like to reserve that kind of conclusion for when someone is a coach or GM. Elite athleticism makes some players look smarter than they actually are.

Or, you could be a dumbass...

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/11067098/lebron-james-greatest-weapon-brain

[exstatic]

His son going into high school is a factor. LA probably sounds a lot more fun to a 14 year old. Family will put pressure on LeBron. Not necessarily a deciding factor, but a major one.

LOL. Did your parents base their life decisions on what you thought would be fun?

[BillMc]

LOL. Did your parents base their life decisions on what you thought would be fun?

Family and where your children will go to school is a factor. As I said, it was not even the deciding one, but yes as most parents will tell you it is a factor. Especially families wealthy enough to have options and not forced to move wherever the work was.

[Spurs9]

His son going into high school is a factor. LA probably sounds a lot more fun to a 14 year old. Family will put pressure on LeBron. Not necessarily a deciding factor, but a major one.

:cry but we have the riverwalk and mama margis :cry

[exstatic]

His son going into high school is a factor. LA probably sounds a lot more fun to a 14 year old. Family will put pressure on LeBron. Not necessarily a deciding factor, but a major one.


Family and where your children will go to school is a factor. As I said, it was not even the deciding one, but yes as most parents will tell you it is a factor. Especially families wealthy enough to have options and not forced to move wherever the work was.

Moving the goalposts.

[BillMc]

Moving the goalposts.

Not at all. Family is a factor and will have an influence on him. And their son is going to be in high school.

[spurschamps99030507]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLF2APekTA0&t=5s

[spurraider21]

when splitter was traded to atlanta, thats when we really learned that LMA was seriously in play... not really worth speculating unless we're able to move pau tbh

[baseline bum]

So I did the math (using the capulator):

If Danny & Rudy opt out and are renounced
If all free agents are renounced (Tony Parker, Kyle Anderson, Bryn Forbes, Davis Bertans, Hilliard, Costello)
If BP3 is waived (non-guaranteed deal)
If SA defers Milutinov to the following year
If SA trades Pau + 2019 first to a team like ATL for nothing back salary wise

SA will have Kawhi, LMA, Mills, Manu, Joff, White & Murray under contract and will be at 69M in salaries including the charge for the 18th pick this year and cap holds for roster spots.

The salary cap is 101M, so 101M - 69M = 32M in cap space.

Lebron’s max is like 35.5M so SA would be about 3.5M short.

So what ESPN said was not meant to be fully accurate; it was just a high level example of the type of moves SA would have to make.

So Lebron could take less so SA doesn’t have to move other assets.
SA could trade the 2018 pick in the Pau deal vs 2019 and get another 2M in cap space and get close to max.


But if Lebron wants every penny, then SA would have to either trade the 2018 pick in the Pau deal instead of 2019 and then move either Mills, Murray, White or Joff (or if Joff unexpectedly declines his player option, just doing everything above but trading 2018 first instead of 2019 would get SA to full max).

The biggest “hinge” is Danny & Rudy. If they opt out, the path becomes far easier. If they dont then it’s much tougher.

I didn't realize Paul's deal was non guaranteed. Nice, he's fucking useless.

[DPG21920]

when splitter was traded to atlanta, thats when we really learned that LMA was seriously in play... not really worth speculating unless we're able to move pau tbh

It was chicken/egg. I think SA moved him because they understood they had a legit shot at LMA. I don’t think it was something where they just moved him and then said ok.

I mean, nothing is guaranteed, but if they move Pau you would have to like their chances because I don’t think they do so unless it means getting someone they want.

[spurraider21]

It was chicken/egg. I think SA moved him because they understood they had a legit shot at LMA. I don’t think it was something where they just moved him and then said ok.

I mean, nothing is guaranteed, but if they move Pau you would have to like their chances because I don’t think they do so unless it means getting someone they want.
yeah i would think the same for pau, though. if they dont think they have a shot at acquiring somebody, then they're not going to just give up assets to dump pau for nothing.

thats all im sayin, its not really worth speculating until we see a move like that

[DPG21920]

For sure. They won’t give up their best pick in a long time to dump Pau for the sake of doing it. They willl have a plan whether it’s Bron or otherwise.

The big thing truly is Danny/Rudy. Trading Pau and/or Mills is not an issue at all even if you have to give up assets you would prefer not to. But having to trade Rudy, Danny, Pau and/or Mills is a really tall order and an unprecedented amount of churn for SA.

I mean, I think Mills/Danny/Rudy could all get assets in a trade which is good, but if the goal is to shed salary and do right by the player as much as possible, finding teams with cap space to take those guys without sending money back makes it tougher.

So Rudy/Danny are the linchpins here; then things will start to shape up.

[DAF86]

So I did the math (using the capulator):

If Danny & Rudy opt out and are renounced
If all free agents are renounced (Tony Parker, Kyle Anderson, Bryn Forbes, Davis Bertans, Hilliard, Costello)
If BP3 is waived (non-guaranteed deal)
If SA defers Milutinov to the following year
If SA trades Pau + 2019 first to a team like ATL for nothing back salary wise

SA will have Kawhi, LMA, Mills, Manu, Joff, White & Murray under contract and will be at 69M in salaries including the charge for the 18th pick this year and cap holds for roster spots.

The salary cap is 101M, so 101M - 69M = 32M in cap space.

Lebron’s max is like 35.5M so SA would be about 3.5M short.

So what ESPN said was not meant to be fully accurate; it was just a high level example of the type of moves SA would have to make.

So Lebron could take less so SA doesn’t have to move other assets.
SA could trade the 2018 pick in the Pau deal vs 2019 and get another 2M in cap space and get close to max.


But if Lebron wants every penny, then SA would have to either trade the 2018 pick in the Pau deal instead of 2019 and then move either Mills, Murray, White or Joff (or if Joff unexpectedly declines his player option, just doing everything above but trading 2018 first instead of 2019 would get SA to full max).

The biggest “hinge” is Danny & Rudy. If they opt out, the path becomes far easier. If they dont then it’s much tougher.

My dream scenario looking at this:

-Patty and Gasol get salary dumped.
-Tony resigns for the minimum.
-Green opts out and resigns for a larger contract for about 5/6 mils per year.
-Bertans resigns for 3/4 mils per year.
-Gay, Anderson, Forbes, Hilliard, Costello all out.

Starting lineup

White, Kawhi, Lebron, Bertans, Aldridge

Bench

Murray, Manu, Green, 18th pick, Lauvergne

3rd unit

Tony, filler, filler, filler, filler.

[spurraider21]

there's no reason to believe pop wants bertans to start tbh :lol... they'd probably have lebron/kawhi at the 3 and 4

[DAF86]

there's no reason to believe pop wants bertans to start tbh :lol... they'd probably have lebron/kawhi at the 3 and 4

Start Green instead of Bertans then. I just think, fit wise, it makes a lot more sense to have Bertans starting and have Green come off the bench.

FWIW, I don't think Pop would play White over Murray either. It's just what I would do.

[Phenomanul]

Start Green instead of Bertans then. I just think, fit wise, it makes a lot more sense to have Bertans starting and have Green come off the bench.

FWIW, I don't think Pop would play White over Murray either. It's just what I would do.


That's all good... it's just a shame we would have to give up on Gay. I still think he can improve a bit more (a full year removed from his injury) and become a far more versatile wing with the space that Lebron and Kawhi would create for him...

[spurschamps99030507]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by DPG21920 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9397562#post9397562)
So I did the math (using the capulator):

If Danny & Rudy opt out and are renounced
If all free agents are renounced (Tony Parker, Kyle Anderson, Bryn Forbes, Davis Bertans, Hilliard, Costello)
If BP3 is waived (non-guaranteed deal)
If SA defers Milutinov to the following year
If SA trades Pau + 2019 first to a team like ATL for nothing back salary wise

SA will have Kawhi, LMA, Mills, Manu, Joff, White & Murray under contract and will be at 69M in salaries including the charge for the 18th pick this year and cap holds for roster spots.

The salary cap is 101M, so 101M - 69M = 32M in cap space.

Lebron’s max is like 35.5M so SA would be about 3.5M short.

So what ESPN said was not meant to be fully accurate; it was just a high level example of the type of moves SA would have to make.

So Lebron could take less so SA doesn’t have to move other assets.
SA could trade the 2018 pick in the Pau deal vs 2019 and get another 2M in cap space and get close to max.


But if Lebron wants every penny, then SA would have to either trade the 2018 pick in the Pau deal instead of 2019 and then move either Mills, Murray, White or Joff (or if Joff unexpectedly declines his player option, just doing everything above but trading 2018 first instead of 2019 would get SA to full max).

The biggest “hinge” is Danny & Rudy. If they opt out, the path becomes far easier. If they dont then it’s much tougher.



My dream scenario looking at this:

-Patty and Gasol get salary dumped.
-Tony resigns for the minimum.
-Green opts out and resigns for a larger contract for about 5/6 mils per year.
-Bertans resigns for 3/4 mils per year.
-Gay, Anderson, Forbes, Hilliard, Costello all out.

Starting lineup

White, Kawhi, Lebron, Bertans, Aldridge

Bench

Murray, Manu, Green, 18th pick, Lauvergne

3rd unit

Tony, filler, filler, filler, filler.





he is a very good defender we need that chip fix his shot like many other players in the past, remember this;

How Dejounte Murray shut down Russell Westbrook


https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/3/30/17181720/how-dejounte-murray-san-antonio-spurs-oklahoma-city-thunder-shut-down-russell-westbrook


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfIte0qW4AIg-pX.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfIr36YXcAAueos.jpg

[cd98]

My dream scenario looking at this:

-Patty and Gasol get salary dumped.
-Tony resigns for the minimum.
-Green opts out and resigns for a larger contract for about 5/6 mils per year.
-Bertans resigns for 3/4 mils per year.
-Gay, Anderson, Forbes, Hilliard, Costello all out.

Starting lineup

White, Kawhi, Lebron, Bertans, Aldridge

Bench

Murray, Manu, Green, 18th pick, Lauvergne

3rd unit

Tony, filler, filler, filler, filler.

you aren’t dumping salary without including our draft pick and Murray. And that’s probably just to get rid of Pau.

[DAF86]

you aren’t dumping salary without including our draft pick and Murray. And that’s probably just to get rid of Pau.

You can trade Mills without giving anything else, imho. I think Brett Brown would gladly take on Patty's salary.

To get rid of Gasol you can trade next season's draft pick.

[RD2191]

Why would we max LeBron though? If he wants to ring he can take a pay cut or gtfo.

[cd98]

You can trade Mills without giving anything else, imho. I think Brett Brown would gladly take on Patty's salary.

To get rid of Gasol you can trade next season's draft pick.

Trade Mills with nothing in return? Not sure we can salary dump him, but even if we did, that’s the only competent three point shooter on the team. A team will want 18 over 30 next year if the Spurs ever got LeBron.

[spurschamps99030507]

Stephen Jackson, Chris Broussard and now;

Tracy McGrady; Go Spurs Go!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i3Zf-bK8jk&feature=youtu.be

[TD 21]

Trade Mills with nothing in return? Not sure we can salary dump him, but even if we did, that’s the only competent three point shooter on the team. A team will want 18 over 30 next year if the Spurs ever got LeBron.

Yeah, Gasol may be a virtual expiring, but he's still got $23.5M guaranteed coming to him. No one is taking that for a pick that would be in the 27-30 range.

They'd have to attach White with it or instead of him and the pick, one of Murray or 18.

[marinoman]

Murray and Lebron have a relationship. Bron was at his summer league games, Murray was at game 3. They have the same agent too right?

No Murray no lebron. I think no way we get lebron either way but still

[TD 21]

I know. I'm just saying, Murray would be one of the assets who could conceivably get them off of Gasol.

No James anyway. The fact that the Spurs aren't even rumored to be getting a token meeting (which was once, if not presumed, at least thought) speaks volumes. Maybe it's just the Leonard situation and if they can repair it before free agency, they can still get it, but still.

People seem to be conflating his effusive praise of the Duncan era with the Leonard era, as if they're one and the same.

[tmtcsc]

-Tony resigns for the minimum.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img845/8231/dnd.gif

[tbdog]

I've always maintained that if Lebron wants to challenge Warriors, he needs to take a Durant paycut.

[ducks]

spurs also have the tax break over some teams

[Uriel]

Chris Haynes was asked for his gauge of LeBron James' free agency plans."I don't think it's anything serious to where he will actually think about signing there," said Chris Haynes of James and the Warriors during an appearance on Tim Kawakami's podcast. "I reported back, I believe in February, out of respect if Golden State showed interest, he would talk with them and have a conversation.

"He looks at that organization as the new era of the San Antonio Spurs. He respects them tremendously. I think that's what's going to happen if Golden State decides if they want to go in that route.

"I don't see him coming here at all."

Haynes was then asked which teams have the best odds of actually signing James.

"Houston has been linked a lot," said Haynes. "I've been told that's not a realistic option.

"Philly of course, that's legit.

"The Lakers are still in play but they're not as hot as it was before, but you're going to grant Magic Johnson a meeting. You're going to do that and listen. The Lakers have been setting up for two years for this summer.

"Then I'm going to throw out a dark horse, the Toronto Raptors. And let's not overlook the Boston Celtics. I think the Celtics are in that realm with Golden State where if Boston reached out and said 'We're serious', LeBron would listen."

Haynes then added that the Celtics having Kyrie Irving on the roster would be problematic.

"I think those are some of the real firm options out there as well as re-signing with Cleveland."
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250122/Raptors-Mentioned-As-Potential-Dark-horse-For-LeBron-James

[Gino20]

Dejounte Murray recruiting LBJ with his tweet with LBJ photoshopped in a Spurs jersey.:lol:downspin:

[ducks]

Dejounte Murray
https://mobile.twitter.com/DejounteMurray/status/1005290955149201408/photo/1

[spursistan]

These losses to the Warriors must have broken him by now, which almost takes out the like of the Lakers/Clippers/Knicks out of the running..

IF Lebron wants a couple more rings ring in the last years of his prime, he has only three choices that provides him with an immediate and legit chance: Rockets, Spurs, Boston..

[John B]

DJ in LeBron’s ears. Bring him home. It’s not the 1st team we dethrone a Dream Team but this time with the King himself :flag:

[look_at_g_shred]

I wonder if Murray would get shit from Pop and Co for posting shit like that

[John B]

These losses to the Warriors must have broken him by now, which almost takes out the like of the Lakers/Clippers/Knicks out of the running..

IF Lebron wants a couple more rings ring in the last years of his prime, he has only three choices that provides him with an immediate and legit chance: Rockets, Spurs, Boston..

Houston has no salary cap and CP3 is injury prone plus D’Antoni system will not outscore Dubs, no defense. Boston, Kyrie already left him, why push himself with the guy? Spurs is the best option basketball wise, avenge lost and prolong career with best rest management organization while picking up 3 or more rings

DJ/Green/Kawhi/LeBron/LMA
White/Manu/Kyle/Gay/Milutinov
Parker/DiVinzenso/filler/filler/project athletic big

Green/Gay opt out and extend

Trade Pau expiring contract + 2019 1st pick, trade Mills, waive/trade rest

[spurschamps99030507]

Houston has no salary cap and CP3 is injury prone plus D’Antoni system will not outscore Dubs, no defense. Boston, Kyrie already left him, why push himself with the guy? Spurs is the best option basketball wise, avenge lost and prolong career with best rest management organization while picking up 3 or more rings

DJ/Green/Kawhi/LeBron/LMA
White/Manu/Kyle/Gay/Milutinov
Parker/DiVinzenso/filler/filler/project athletic big

Green/Gay opt out and extend

Trade Pau expiring contract + 2019 1st pick, trade Mills, waive/trade rest


:bobo:claw:lobt2:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfOCyyZUwAAZp8O.jpg:large

[DPG21920]

Houston has no salary cap and CP3 is injury prone plus D’Antoni system will not outscore Dubs, no defense. Boston, Kyrie already left him, why push himself with the guy? Spurs is the best option basketball wise, avenge lost and prolong career with best rest management organization while picking up 3 or more rings

DJ/Green/Kawhi/LeBron/LMA
White/Manu/Kyle/Gay/Milutinov
Parker/DiVinzenso/filler/filler/project athletic big

Green/Gay opt out and extend

Trade Pau expiring contract + 2019 1st pick, trade Mills, waive/trade rest

This isn’t really realistic as an FYI

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Houston has no salary cap and CP3 is injury prone plus D’Antoni system will not outscore Dubs, no defense. Boston, Kyrie already left him, why push himself with the guy? Spurs is the best option basketball wise, avenge lost and prolong career with best rest management organization while picking up 3 or more rings

DJ/Green/Kawhi/LeBron/LMA
White/Manu/Kyle/Gay/Milutinov
Parker/DiVinzenso/filler/filler/project athletic big

Green/Gay opt out and extend

Trade Pau expiring contract + 2019 1st pick, trade Mills, waive/trade rest

Teams will want more that 2019 1st pick for Gasol

I believe it isn't sufficient to make enough room only with Green and Gay contract reconstruction. If I'm not mistaken one of them has to be gone altogether

Not sure who would want to take on Mills' contract either

[dbestpro]

One of the best ways for a bottom feeder team to rebuild is to take on vet salary while getting draft picks. As such, anyone can be moved with a pick, even a 2nd rounder.

[DPG21920]

Teams will want more that 2019 1st pick for Gasol

I believe it isn't sufficient to make enough room only with Green and Gay contract reconstruction. If I'm not mistaken one of them has to be gone altogether

Not sure who would want to take on Mills' contract either

Mills will get something in return. Pau can easily be dumped with just one first rounder.

[99 Problems]

Just like to say welcome LeBron. It’s good to have you on board.

[KDKSpurs24]

I wonder if Murray would get shit from Pop and Co for posting shit like that
Nah. I wouldn’t be surprised if they asked him to help recruit any way he could.

[HarlemHeat37]

I wonder how many phones Aldridge has broken due to going on Twitter and seeing LeBron to Spurs rumors:lol

[tbdog]

First round picks are huge these days. Bradley or Evans couldnt fetch a first. Spurs can easily dump gasol.

[DPG21920]

I wonder how many phones Aldridge has broken due to going on Twitter and seeing LeBron to Spurs rumors:lol

About as many hands as Lebron has broken because he was emotional.

[lefty20]

Let's put the brakes on LBJ talk. We don't even know if Kiwi is coming back.

[tbdog]

First round picks are huge these days. Bradley or Evans couldnt fetch a first. Spurs can easily dump gasol.

[EIC]

Houston has no salary cap and CP3 is injury prone plus D’Antoni system will not outscore Dubs, no defense. Boston, Kyrie already left him, why push himself with the guy? Spurs is the best option basketball wise, avenge lost and prolong career with best rest management organization while picking up 3 or more rings

DJ/Green/Kawhi/LeBron/LMA
White/Manu/Kyle/Gay/Milutinov
Parker/DiVinzenso/filler/filler/project athletic big

Green/Gay opt out and extend

Trade Pau expiring contract + 2019 1st pick, trade Mills, waive/trade rest

Plus, Bron needs to play with a HOF coach before he retires. Kobe and Jordan had Phil.

[bigfan]

The only reason I think this has a half assed shot is because Lebron is a real student of the game, has been a good citizen and probably knows this is his only shot at playing for Pop (who is and will always be a fucking legend). I doubt money (ie small market) has that much of a bearing. LBJ, LMA and KL would be a monster. No idea how the trades would work but we have some sharpies in the front office, they could figure it out.

[sasaint]

Dejounte Murray recruiting LBJ with his tweet with LBJ photoshopped in a Spurs jersey.:lol:downspin:

A new experience for Spurs fans. Perhaps we now see the real value of Dijon.

[NameLess Scrub]

LeBron is not coming, no matter if Kawhi comes back better than ever, Pop is a legend coach, or LaMarcus is finally in shape.

[John B]

DJ already in his ears before Magic and them likes get to him. I’m sure Pops okay with this. I’d like Pops, Kawhi, DJ and LMA to personally sit with LeBron when the time comes. Heck bring Danny Boy if he wants to come :lol

[Vic Petro]

Ultimately it will be LA. His kids are about high school age. Time to pick a school to play for and stay put. LA is a great place to live if you’re Lebron. SA is intriguing as a basketball fit but less so as a life fit.

[CosmicCowboy]

I sure dont see him staying in Cleveland. He has averaged like 30/10/10/2/2 the last 9 finals games and won one. With being on the downside of his career staying would be the definition of insanity.

[TheDoctor]

Dejounte Murray
https://mobile.twitter.com/DejounteMurray/status/1005290955149201408/photo/1

The comments in that thread :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

How much longer until we get a thread called "Is Lebron worth it?" made by an autist poster who overvalues our scrubs (Danny, Rudy, Mills, Pau, etc)

[RD2191]

How much longer until we get a thread called "Is Lebron worth it?" made by an autist poster who overvalues our scrubs (Danny, Rudy, Mills, Pau, etc)

Tbh

[DPG21920]

Im gaining more and more confidence Kawhi will sign something whether that means he stays or is traded eventually.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs dont need to trade Pau to make room for Bron.

They can waive/stretch him (4.7 mil per over 5 years) if Gay & Green agree to opt out.

Spurs would need to renounce TP/Gay or Green/ everyone else except Bertans. Convince Lauvergne to opt out w promise they'll re sign him w vet deal after everything else shakes out.

They would then trade Mills, 19' 1st to Philly for their 39th pick.

Spurs can turn around and sign Green or Gay w cal hold for significantly less (2 yr 8 mil 1+1 player option) w space before they sign Bron.

[RichB]

Im gaining more and more confidence Kawhi will sign something whether that means he stays or is traded eventually.

I’ll play along this game. IF the Spurs get Lebron in this fantasy world, do you think the rest of the roster will be good enough to win it all? I’m talking about supporting cast, bigs, etc etc.

[RichB]

Spurs dont need to trade Pau to make room for Bron.

They can waive/stretch him if Gay & Green agree to opt out.

Spurs would need to renounce TP/Gay or Green/ everyone else except Bertans. Convince Lauvergne to opt out w promise they'll re sign him w vet deal after everything else shakes out.

They would then trade Mills, 19' 1st to Philly for their 39th pick.

Spurs can turn around and sign Green or Gay w cal hold for significantly less (2 yr 8 mil 1+1 player option) w space before they sign Bron.

I’ll keep playing. Haha. Danny Green will be a lock to return if Lebron lands here. Green is one of Lebron’s boys. So is Kawhi. Plus Green would be rejuvinated playing with both of them.

[DPG21920]

I’ll play along this game. IF the Spurs get Lebron in this fantasy world, do you think the rest of the roster will be good enough to win it all? I’m talking about supporting cast, bigs, etc etc.

Yes, because if SA has Murray/White/Kawhi/Bron/LMA I definitely think that core is good enough.

[dbreiden83080]

I’ll play along this game. IF the Spurs get Lebron in this fantasy world, do you think the rest of the roster will be good enough to win it all? I’m talking about supporting cast, bigs, etc etc.

If Leonard is healthy and back to what he was, and LA takes more of a role without crying like a bitch, yes they could. Lebron is such a game changer. When he leaves teams they basically win 10 games..

[TheGreatYacht]

Green isn't bron's boy. I don't understand why posters keep believing this... the only time they hung out in the offseason was post 13' in the club.

Lebron has had enough of shooting guards hitting backboard and getting blown by on defense. Green is in no way irreplaceable.

[r0drig0lac]

How much longer until we get a thread called "Is Lebron worth it?" made by an autist poster who overvalues our scrubs (Danny, Rudy, Mills, Pau, etc)

his is already happening subtly in some way

[spurschamps99030507]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfRR15zWsAAYz9s.jpg

[Gino20]

The prominent ESPN commentator Stephen A. Smith reported recently that James planned to speak to six teams in addition to the Cavaliers. Philadelphia, Houston, Miami and the Lakers were all mentioned — as were the juggernaut responsible for James’s 1-8 record in his last nine finals games (Golden State) and his longtime Eastern Conference nemesis (Boston). I’ve also been advised that the ever-persuasive San Antonio Spurs Coach Gregg Popovich is bound to try to force his way into the conversation to sell James on the merits of South Texas. - Marc Stein

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/sports/lebron-james-free-agency.html

[TheDoctor]

How much longer until we get a thread called "Is Lebron worth it?" made by an autist poster who overvalues our scrubs (Danny, Rudy, Mills, Pau, etc)
Known “Built not Bought” delusional krew per par

[TheDoctor]

Im gaining more and more confidence Kawhi will sign something whether that means he stays or is traded eventually.
Jeff McDonald that you?

[noles1983]

The prominent ESPN commentator Stephen A. Smith reported recently that James planned to speak to six teams in addition to the Cavaliers. Philadelphia, Houston, Miami and the Lakers were all mentioned — as were the juggernaut responsible for James’s 1-8 record in his last nine finals games (Golden State) and his longtime Eastern Conference nemesis (Boston). I’ve also been advised that the ever-persuasive San Antonio Spurs Coach Gregg Popovich is bound to try to force his way into the conversation to sell James on the merits of South Texas. - Marc Stein

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/sports/lebron-james-free-agency.html

I kind of want LeBron to go to Golden State just to show the NBA is an even bigger joke than it is right now.

[ducks]

LeBron Says after NBA Finals That he Played with Broken Hand

[TD 21]

I’ll keep playing. Haha. Danny Green will be a lock to return if Lebron lands here. Green is one of Lebron’s boys. So is Kawhi. Plus Green would be rejuvinated playing with both of them.

Not for that low price. He already supposedly gave up $20M in '15. He can probably command the MLE for 3 years right now. That's another 20ishM he'd be turning down and because of the Spurs lack of flexibility going forward, I believe they could only pay him 120% of his salary if he opted out after the first year.

And I don't see why the 76ers would want to tie up significant money in Mills, a matchup dependant role player, when they already have essentially a bigger, better version, in Redick and their core will become very expensive relatively soon.

[DAF86]

Not for that low price. He already supposedly gave up $20M in '15. He can probably command the MLE for 3 years right now. That's another 20ishM he'd be turning down and because of the Spurs lack of flexibility going forward, I believe they could only pay him 120% of his salary if he opted out after the first year.

And I don't see why the 76ers would want to tie up significant money in Mills, a matchup dependant role player, when they already have essentially a bigger, better version, in Redick and their core will become very expensive relatively soon.

Brown loves Mills and I'm sure he sees Patty as a McConell improvement. Mills' contract would also come to an end about the same time they will need to start paying Simmons and Embiid.

[tmtcsc]

Man, Lebron would make the Spurs instant contenders but he's such a narcissistic drama queen that it could be sickening. Just play and let your game do the talking. SHUT UP.

[TD 21]

Brown loves Mills and I'm sure he sees Patty as a McConell improvement. Mills' contract would also come to an end about the same time they will need to start paying Simmons and Embiid.

Pop loves Hill and before injuries apparently derailed his career, he was a Mills improvement . . . yet they didn't sign him (and before you say Pop loves Mills too, Brown loves McConnell). That doesn't mean a whole lot if you don't perceive the player to be a fit for your team at a particular time.

The role Mills would play their can and should be filled for cheap. They just did it with Belinelli and they're grooming Korkmaz with the hopes of his eventually filling it. Even though he's fallen out of favor, they also still have Bayless.

[tbdog]

Man, Lebron would make the Spurs instant contenders but he's such a narcissistic drama queen that it could be sickening. Just play and let your game do the talking. SHUT UP.

Except he has grown up a lot now. I think since the Dallas series he really matured. Plus, wouldn't it be great having him front the camera. I am sure LMA and Leonard wouldn't mind that one bit.

[Clipper Nation]

Man, Lebron would make the Spurs instant contenders but he's such a narcissistic drama queen that it could be sickening. Just play and let your game do the talking. SHUT UP.
That is literally what he did. Nobody knew he broke his hand until after the series. He even made sure not to wear the cast on his hand around the media until after the series.

I genuinely don't get why people are so offended by how he handled his injury. I guess it's because I'm an NHL fan, and it's common practice for NHL players to hide injuries in the playoffs and only reveal them after their season is over.

[tmtcsc]

That is literally what he did. Nobody knew he broke his hand until after the series. He even made sure not to wear the cast on his hand around the media until after the series.

I genuinely don't get why people are so offended by how he handled his injury. I guess it's because I'm an NHL fan, and it's common practice for NHL players to hide injuries in the playoffs and only reveal them after their season is over.

So why talk about it at the Press Conference ? Why even bring it up at all? He bruised his hand, he didn't "pretty much played with a broken hand". He played hard, he played great and no one thought otherwise. That's the stuff I'm talking about. I'd love for him to play on the Spurs and I'm pretty certain Leonard would be thrilled not to be the voice of the franchise. LaMarcus? I think he enjoys the cameras too.

[.G.]

LeBron is just doing as he's been told. Writers had to find a way to explain his failure this time. He's been controlled since the beginning. Look at the interview where he explains why his changing Jersey numbers. Most scripted response ever. Anyway, it's amusing to say the least, but it's all part of the image the league has created for him. Branding and whatnot. Entertainment.

[sasaint]

That is literally what he did. Nobody knew he broke his hand until after the series. He even made sure not to wear the cast on his hand around the media until after the series.

I genuinely don't get why people are so offended by how he handled his injury. I guess it's because I'm an NHL fan, and it's common practice for NHL players to hide injuries in the playoffs and only reveal them after their season is over.

You ever make a sports bet?

[sasaint]

So why talk about it at the Press Conference ? Why even bring it up at all? He bruised his hand, he didn't "pretty much played with a broken hand". He played hard, he played great and no one thought otherwise. That's the stuff I'm talking about. I'd love for him to play on the Spurs and I'm pretty certain Leonard would be thrilled not to be the voice of the franchise. LaMarcus? I think he enjoys the cameras too.

Might just keep Kawhi happy in SA. LMA, I am not too sure about. However, with the exponential increase in media attention that would accompany LeBron to SA, Aldridge might get more attention than he ever would otherwise in SA.

[marinoman]

I wonder if that idiot spurs fan skip Bayless constantly shitting on his legacy make the spurs a no go. If we keep kawhi and still can’t even get a meeting with bron then I’ll blame him

[Uriel]

The prominent ESPN commentator Stephen A. Smith reported recently that James planned to speak to six teams in addition to the Cavaliers. Philadelphia, Houston, Miami and the Lakers were all mentioned — as were the juggernaut responsible for James’s 1-8 record in his last nine finals games (Golden State) and his longtime Eastern Conference nemesis (Boston). I’ve also been advised that the ever-persuasive San Antonio Spurs Coach Gregg Popovich is bound to try to force his way into the conversation to sell James on the merits of South Texas. - Marc Stein

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/sports/lebron-james-free-agency.html
:worthy::pop:

[spurschamps99030507]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfTJxsUWAAAqrUz.jpg

[spursistan]

1005308739799388165

Pop will get a courtesy meeting out of respect, but it's not happening.

Even if Lebron warms up to the idea of joining Spurs, Maverick Carter and the important personalities around James would not be too eager; they may even openly push against it.

San Antonio is just too disadvantaged by its market for this Lebron pipe dream to come true. It simply boils down to that.

When James meet with his people they will make a compromise choice, and it will be either Houston, Boston, or Philadelphia.

[mo7888]

1005308739799388165

Pop will get a courtesy meeting out of respect, but it's not happening.

Even if Lebron warms up to the idea of joining Spurs, Maverick Carter and the important personalities around James would not be too eager; they may even openly push against it.

San Antonio is just too disadvantaged by its market for this Lebron pipe dream to come true. It simply boils down to that.

When James meet with his people they will make a compromise choice, and it will be either Houston, Boston, or Philadelphia.

LeBron doesn't need the market.... he is the market. He'll make his decision based on two things 1) lifestyle and 2) where he has the best chance to win.

[Leetonidas]

LeBron is bigger than the market. Cleveland is garbage too but it that didn't stop him from going back

[Thomas82]

LeBron doesn't need the market.... he is the market. He'll make his decision based on two things 1) lifestyle and 2) where he has the best chance to win.

+1

[eDizzle20]

CIA Pop...

Bromance LeBron for his entire career to have opportunity to sign him at 33. IMO Pop misses the relationship he had with TD. I think he sees that same type of relationship with LeBron. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a coach so giddy with an opposing player. If the Spurs are able to sign LeBron that’s closest thing to a championship that’s not technically a championship.

[Biggems]

I feel the Spurs are legitimately the 4th option behind Cleveland, LAL, and Philly. I put us just ahead of Houston.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Man, Lebron would make the Spurs instant contenders but he's such a narcissistic drama queen that it could be sickening. Just play and let your game do the talking. SHUT UP.

Going to have to disagree here. Lebron has shut up; he also hasn’t been a drama queen - ever. Narcissist? I can think of many more of those in the nba before Lebron. He has played and let his game speak for itself, not really sure what you’re talking about.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L3ID5dX71c

[cutewizard]

1005308739799388165

Pop will get a courtesy meeting out of respect, but it's not happening.

Even if Lebron warms up to the idea of joining Spurs, Maverick Carter and the important personalities around James would not be too eager; they may even openly push against it.

San Antonio is just too disadvantaged by its market for this Lebron pipe dream to come true. It simply boils down to that.

When James meet with his people they will make a compromise choice, and it will be either Houston, Boston, or Philadelphia.

------------------------------------------------------------------

You are saying that Lebron is NOT his own man??

[Chillen]

If Spurs can't sign LeBron I would be fine with them going after DeMarcus Cousins while keeping Kawhi, LMA. Spurs at the very least need a big 3 of some kind to compete with Warriors and Rockets.

[tmtcsc]

Going to have to disagree here. Lebron has shut up; he also hasn’t been a drama queen - ever. Narcissist? I can think of many more of those in the nba before Lebron. He has played and let his game speak for itself, not really sure what you’re talking about.

Check my last post - I was referring to him making a big deal of his injured hand at the post game media session. He wore the black brace and even proceeded to tell the press that he "pretty much played with a broken hand". It was bruised, not broken. He also noticed them taking photos of his hand and he said "you like that wrap don't you ?"

C'mon, was that really necessary? He played great with the injury but yet he needed to draw attention to himself. He needed to make up a story or narrative about his greatness and toughness. That's complete, unnecessary drama.

[K...]

Check my last post - I was referring to him making a big deal of his injured hand at the post game media session. He wore the black brace and even proceeded to tell the press that he "pretty much played with a broken hand". It was bruised, not broken. He also noticed them taking photos of his hand and he said "you like that wrap don't you ?"

C'mon, was that really necessary? He played great with the injury but yet he needed to draw attention to himself. He needed to make up a story or narrative about his greatness and toughness. That's complete, unnecessary drama.

That's all well and good, but compared "the decision"'era LeBron , he's much more mature now

[tmtcsc]

That's all well and good, but compared "the decision"'era LeBron , he's much more mature now

"The Decision" was well-intentioned and an effort to raise money but ultimately an awful idea. I'm talking about the other stuff. He has a tendency to throw his teammates under the bus or blame them for things when it may be his own fault. He's very aware of the cameras around him. He also gets special treatment and privileges. How would that sort of stuff play out on the Spurs? I'm sure Pop could deal with it but what about Aldridge. Is he going to shut down and pout? I wonder if the Spurs would need to move him to another team. I'm still wondering how he is going to respond with a helathy Leonard back.

[dbestpro]

I think there is a good chance James will move to LA with his sights on business after basketball. We all assume his goals are to win more rings, but maybe his role in entertainment is where his head is at.

[LkrFan]

Very unlikely IMO. Kiwi's relationship with the Spurs FO is fractured. I'm sure him and LBJ have talked. LBJ knows fully well why Kiwi basically sat out the whole year rather than play for Pop. Something - that has not been made public - has happened that made Kiwi stay away from the Spurs this year. I'm sure he told LBJ. LBJ don't want no part of that. :downspin:

[alpha_HaZE]

So I did the math (using the capulator):

If Danny & Rudy opt out and are renounced
If all free agents are renounced (Tony Parker, Kyle Anderson, Bryn Forbes, Davis Bertans, Hilliard, Costello)
If BP3 is waived (non-guaranteed deal)
If SA defers Milutinov to the following year
If SA trades Pau + 2019 first to a team like ATL for nothing back salary wise

SA will have Kawhi, LMA, Mills, Manu, Joff, White & Murray under contract and will be at 69M in salaries including the charge for the 18th pick this year and cap holds for roster spots.

The salary cap is 101M, so 101M - 69M = 32M in cap space.

Lebron’s max is like 35.5M so SA would be about 3.5M short.

So what ESPN said was not meant to be fully accurate; it was just a high level example of the type of moves SA would have to make.

So Lebron could take less so SA doesn’t have to move other assets.
SA could trade the 2018 pick in the Pau deal vs 2019 and get another 2M in cap space and get close to max.


But if Lebron wants every penny, then SA would have to either trade the 2018 pick in the Pau deal instead of 2019 and then move either Mills, Murray, White or Joff (or if Joff unexpectedly declines his player option, just doing everything above but trading 2018 first instead of 2019 would get SA to full max).

The biggest “hinge” is Danny & Rudy. If they opt out, the path becomes far easier. If they dont then it’s much tougher.

Thanks for doing those calculations! To me, the best option would be to trade LA for Lebron, that way we can keep our draft picks and bring our core back.

[cd021]

I could see him bolting to the Lakers and either PG-13 or CP3 going with him. If that is the case then Lonzo's ass is outta there. A sign and trade with Cleveland would make sense for both teams in the scenario that Lebron does go to L.A.

Cleveland Gets

Lonzo Ball
Luol Deng
25th pick (the pick that they traded away to get Nance Jr.) or 2020 1st rounder

Lakers Get
Lebron + clearing out another $25 million in cap space to build a team around him and PG/CP3

[lefty]

Pop : we have big women
LeBron : I'm in

[DMC]

Spurs have historically been the landing spot for end of career guys, even good ones. A few of them have done well in their final seasons (Horry, Finley, Dice, etc...) so it wouldn't be out of sorts for Lebron to come here. It wouldn't make any sense from a money perspective though.

KG and Ray teamed with Paul to form a super team.
Pau Gasol was mysteriously traded to LA to form sort of a super team. This combated the above move
Lebron, Wade and Bosh joined to form a superteam (as a response to both of the above).
Lebron makes the Finals 4 consecutive years and wins two rings.
The Spurs play better basketball and make the Finals 2 times, winning a ring from Lebron and sending him back to Cleveland
Golden State through organic growth beats everyone including Lebron's team when Love and Irving go down
Lebron comes back with a healthier squad and beats the Warriors when Draymond and Bogut are both out, denying the Warriors of a 73 win season greater than the Bulls'.
Golden State recruits Kevin Durant to counter the "super team" in Cleveland and form perhaps the most prolific scoring team in the history of the game. They win 2 consecutive rings from Lebron's team.

I expect this trend to continue. I expect Lebron to join with two dominant players to counter the super team in Golden State. I don't expect him to go play in a "system" because Lebron's system has resulted in 8 consecutive Finals appearances so he won't see anyone else as being more able to get there than he is.

He would likely either be in Houston or Boston. I'd be surprised to see him in Boston since Kyrie left him once already and they have Gordon Hayward.

If he goes anywhere else, even San Antonio (if either LMA or Kawhi leaves) He's fighting another uphill battle. I don't think he wants that at this point in his career. I think he wants the next few years to be Lebron vs whomever in the Finals.

The other side of that coin is that he stays in Cleveland and recruits names to play with him, since he's established there. If he goes to the Lakers, he's sniffing Kobe's farts.

[DMC]

I could see him bolting to the Lakers and either PG-13 or CP3 going with him. If that is the case then Lonzo's ass is outta there. A sign and trade with Cleveland would make sense for both teams in the scenario that Lebron does go to L.A.

Cleveland Gets

Lonzo Ball
Luol Deng
25th pick (the pick that they traded away to get Nance Jr.) or 2020 1st rounder

Lakers Get
Lebron + clearing out another $25 million in cap space to build a team around him and PG/CP3

Why would they all need to go to the Lakers? Why not Cleveland (other than living in Cleveland)?

[DMC]

I could see him bolting to the Lakers and either PG-13 or CP3 going with him. If that is the case then Lonzo's ass is outta there. A sign and trade with Cleveland would make sense for both teams in the scenario that Lebron does go to L.A.

Cleveland Gets

Lonzo Ball
Luol Deng
25th pick (the pick that they traded away to get Nance Jr.) or 2020 1st rounder

Lakers Get
Lebron + clearing out another $25 million in cap space to build a team around him and PG/CP3

Lebron and CP3 is not as workable as it seems. Both are great players, but Lebron thrives from the point forward position and even James Harden had to move to the 2 spot to allow Chris to run the point. Lebron wants total floor control. Chris Paul wants total floor control. Chris Paul should have total floor control. I cannot see Lebron standing around watching CP3 and Paul George jack up shots and flop. He had that with Irving and IT.

[DMC]

Very unlikely IMO. Kiwi's relationship with the Spurs FO is fractured. I'm sure him and LBJ have talked. LBJ knows fully well why Kiwi basically sat out the whole year rather than play for Pop. Something - that has not been made public - has happened that made Kiwi stay away from the Spurs this year. I'm sure he told LBJ. LBJ don't want no part of that. :downspin:

You really think Kawhi talked to Lebron? :lmao

[marinoman]

I doubt he goes west, but I do think we have the best shot out of any team including the lakers if he does. Im really surprised people give the Lakers such a high chance. Did people watch his game 4 presser? He made it clear building a team from scratch is a chore cause you gotta get pieces together, no chemistry etc. That indicates he wants to be the only major piece and not a bunch of changes. Probably explains the marc spears article of why lebron isn’t really interested in Houston

[DMC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L3ID5dX71c

Lebron also said Klay could lead a team as the 1st option.

[LkrFan]

You really think Kawhi talked to Lebron? :lmao

Players talk. If he's really considering SA, why would he not?

[spurs10]

I'm feeling like Kawhi will be signing an extension and will be consulted about the future. Can't help but think whatever happens, as far as who comes and goes, will depend on the vision Pop have for the next few years. As usual, I think the top players will be brought into the conversation. With Kawhi it's a must.

[John B]

Basketball wise, forget small market, just pure which team will give LeBron the best chance of a ring(s) is Dubs and Spurs. Joining Dubs would be the biggest sissy move, so that’s not happening. The only thing that messes this for Spurs to land LeBron, basketball wise, is Cavs miraculously getting PG and Cousins, both unrestricted free agents, by sign and trade, however to work the cap. Cousins does not pair well with Davis so he could go to Cavs who’s already there at the Finals in a weaker conference, same as PG. LeBron successfully recruiting them means not uprooting his family which he talked about and staying with Cavs, which he might potentially own in the future. Maybe draft Trae as shooter/facilitator at 8th pick.

[spurschamps99030507]

Basketball wise, forget small market, just pure which team will give LeBron the best chance of a ring(s) is Dubs and Spurs. Joining Dubs would be the biggest sissy move, so that’s not happening. The only thing that messes this for Spurs to land LeBron, basketball wise, is Cavs miraculously getting PG and Cousins, both unrestricted free agents, by sign and trade, however to work the cap. Cousins does not pair well with Davis so he could go to Cavs who’s already there at the Finals in a weaker conference, same as PG. LeBron successfully recruiting them means not uprooting his family which he talked about and staying with Cavs, which he might potentially own in the future. Maybe draft Trae as shooter/facilitator at 8th pick.

agree

the decision will affect his legacy, if he decides to go to the lakers, it's not sport, it's not basketball, hollywood, money and fame, he gives up, lonzo ball, really ?. There are only two players in the whole league, super stars who have won finals, kyrie or kawhi, kyrie........ separated their ways, so.. kawhi. He knows that if he wants to fight against the warrios ... he must choose spurs, legendary coach etc etc

[duncan2k5]

Very unlikely IMO. Kiwi's relationship with the Spurs FO is fractured. I'm sure him and LBJ have talked. LBJ knows fully well why Kiwi basically sat out the whole year rather than play for Pop. Something - that has not been made public - has happened that made Kiwi stay away from the Spurs this year. I'm sure he told LBJ. LBJ don't want no part of that. :downspin:

U still believe in this media driven conspiracy? ��

[LkrFan]

U still believe in this media driven conspiracy? 😂

Why did he stay away? He could have at least been on the bench during playoff games cheering on his teammates. Kyrie did with Boston. Why not Kiwi?

[duncan2k5]

Why did he stay away? He could have at least been on the bench during playoff games cheering on his teammates. Kyrie did with Boston. Why not Kiwi?

Even kyrie left the bench for medical reasons... Pop himself said Kawhi would be better off rehabbing than on the bench, WAAAY before the media and posters started noticing he was missing the last several games... Dude was rehabbing with spurs doctors in attendance... Spoke to spurs officials at Pop's wife's wake... Any other reason he wasn't there is pure speculation... The concrete things we know is he was rehabbing... And Pop said that's the best move...its not like he was in a club break dancing

[LkrFan]

Even kyrie left the bench for medical reasons... Pop himself said Kawhi would be better off rehabbing than on the bench, WAAAY before the media and posters started noticing he was missing the last several games... Dude was rehabbing with spurs doctors in attendance... Spoke to spurs officials at Pop's wife's wake... Any other reason he wasn't there is pure speculation... The concrete things we know is he was rehabbing... And Pop said that's the best move...its not like he was in a club break dancing

I'll take your word for it.

[DPG21920]

I could see him bolting to the Lakers and either PG-13 or CP3 going with him. If that is the case then Lonzo's ass is outta there. A sign and trade with Cleveland would make sense for both teams in the scenario that Lebron does go to L.A.

Cleveland Gets

Lonzo Ball
Luol Deng
25th pick (the pick that they traded away to get Nance Jr.) or 2020 1st rounder

Lakers Get
Lebron + clearing out another $25 million in cap space to build a team around him and PG/CP3

Why would CLE take on Deng? There is zero chance of that.

[Mr. Body]

If Spurs can't sign LeBron I would be fine with them going after DeMarcus Cousins

I just threw up.

[Mr. Body]

agree

the decision will affect his legacy, if he decides to go to the lakers, it's not sport, it's not basketball, hollywood, money and fame, he gives up, lonzo ball, really ?. There are only two players in the whole league, super stars who have won finals, kyrie or kawhi, kyrie........ separated their ways, so.. kawhi. He knows that if he wants to fight against the warrios ... he must choose spurs, legendary coach etc etc

I don't know. Fuck it, Durant destroyed this era. This era doesn't count, and nothing LeBron does will change it. Might as well enjoy the last few years he has left.

[Clipper Nation]

He has a tendency to throw his teammates under the bus or blame them for things when it may be his own fault.
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[tbdog]

Basketball wise, forget small market, just pure which team will give LeBron the best chance of a ring(s) is Dubs and Spurs. Joining Dubs would be the biggest sissy move, so that’s not happening. The only thing that messes this for Spurs to land LeBron, basketball wise, is Cavs miraculously getting PG and Cousins, both unrestricted free agents, by sign and trade, however to work the cap. Cousins does not pair well with Davis so he could go to Cavs who’s already there at the Finals in a weaker conference, same as PG. LeBron successfully recruiting them means not uprooting his family which he talked about and staying with Cavs, which he might potentially own in the future. Maybe draft Trae as shooter/facilitator at 8th pick.

They can't sign and trade. It's part of the new repeater tax offenders. If both players have player options, they could do an opt in and trade request. For cousins, I think that's suicide as he has had a bad injury and probably wants more security. And i think PG is also chasing the money. I can't imagine either opting in and taking the one year deal. Maybe PG but not cousins.

[Gino20]

According to Jordan Schultz, Yahoo Sports, there is a slim chance LBJ will end up with the Celtics and Warriors (fairly obvious). The though is that LBJ does not want to follow Durant or Irving.

[spurschamps99030507]

LeBron James will become an unrestricted free agent on July 1 if he opts out of a $35.6 million player option in his current contract with the Cavaliers for next season. “To me, I don’t think it’s a basketball thing,” said Wade, who is James’ close friend and former teammate. “Obviously, you saw this year he can get to the Finals no matter what the circumstances are. I don’t really think the basketball decision of saying, ‘Oh, let me go team up with three All-Stars.’ I think at this point in his life, it’s more so of a lifestyle thing of where my family is going to be the most comfortable and where I’m going to be the most happiest at. Because basketball wise, he’s so great that he can bring along and take along whoever.”


http://heatzone.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2018/06/10/dwyane-wade-talks-about-his-future-with-heat-and-lebron-james-decision/

lifestyle? 3-6 in the finals? 3 of the last 4? if you do that you are not a winner as a professional athlete

[pgardn]

Lebron James is in San Antonio looking for Timmy Duncan.

Yessir.

[pgardn]

Let this sink in.

[look_at_g_shred]

Let this sink in.
Sauce?

[pgardn]

Sauce?

Totally accidentally.
Witnessed. Asked for directions.

No sauces. Live.

And what does it mean?
Nothing except Braun was here tonight looking for Tim’s neighborhood.

[sasaint]

Totally accidentally.
Witnessed. Asked for directions.

No sauces. Live.

And what does it mean?
Nothing except Braun was here tonight looking for Tim’s neighborhood.

So, like, you and LeBron were filling up your vehicles at adjacent pumps, and you overheard LeBron go into the convenience store and ask the guy at the register if he could give him directions to Timmy's place?

[pgardn]

So, like, you and LeBron were filling up your vehicles at adjacent pumps, and you overheard LeBron go into the convenience store and ask the guy at the register if he could give him directions to Timmy's place?

No.

He fn asked a person right by me. A lady.
Look back and see how many claims I have made of insiders knowledge.

Zero.
Because I have none and still don’t.
Random event.
He was in SA.
Makes no difference to me except I now believe the posters that said he would be nice and give us a meeting.

[Leetonidas]

Why wouldn't he just ask TD for his address and have his driver take him there? Cmon son

[pgardn]

Why wouldn't he just ask TD for his address and have his driver take him there? Cmon son

He could press a frkn phone and have a clean map in 1 second?
The hills? I have no fn clue.

[DMC]

Players talk. If he's really considering SA, why would he not?

That autistic motherfucker doesn't even talk to his own team.

[Chillen]

I want LeBron James to be interested in joining Spurs for all the right reasons. The winning culture and Spurs culture, the chance to win a championship and beat Warriors. It won't be easy no matter what team he joins, if he wants it to be easy join Warriors.

Everyone thinking LeBron won't join a Western Conference team remember all these Final's losses are staining his legacy. Pretty sure he is sick of losing to Warriors in the NBA Finals. I am sure he would rather try and beat them before the Finals.

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[Ice009]

Totally accidentally.
Witnessed. Asked for directions.

No sauces. Live.

And what does it mean?
Nothing except Braun was here tonight looking for Tim’s neighborhood.

What. Do you want to elaborate? He asked someone for directions to Tim's house? If so, where have you heard that? Or are you just fucking with us? Also, why would he ask for directions? That's just weird. I'm sure he'd be able to get there without asking anyone.

[siraulo23]

He not coming here

Can u imagine Pop sitting this dude on the 2nd night of a back to back, 4 games in 5 nights
Sitting lebron in 4th quarter of blowout games?

Lebron a beast but he loves his stats

[szkorhetz]

He not coming here

Can u imagine Pop sitting this dude on the 2nd night of a back to back, 4 games in 5 nights
Sitting lebron in 4th quarter of blowout games?

Lebron a beast but he loves his stats
He is getting older and older, so I don't think this would be an issue.

[cutewizard]

Lebron loves Pop. Period.

[LkrFan]

That autistic motherfucker doesn't even talk to his own team.

:lol

[cd021]

Why would they all need to go to the Lakers? Why not Cleveland (other than living i an Cleveland)?
Lakers have the most cap space while the Cavs have the highest payroll. It's much easier for LeBron and company to go to L.A and construct a new super team.

[cd021]

Why would CLE take on Deng? There is zero chance of that.

The Cavs would obviously be in rebuild mode if LeBron let them know that he was leaving and going to L.A and to trade him there so they could get something in return from him. LeBron is scheduled to make more than what would be the max next season so he has incentive to opt in and have the Cavs move him. The Lakers could clear out even more cap space by packaging Ball with Deng and another pick and Cleveland could use young talent if even that means taking on Deng.

Jr., Tristan, Hill and Deng would all come off the books in two seasons and it's not like they are making the playoffs in that time so adding the 3rd overall pick from last year's draft, along with the 8th and 25 pick is a better start than when LeBron left the first time.

[Chillen]

Why would LeBron want to play in the shadow of Kobe Bryant? He would have to win 6 NBA championships to better Kobe's run. Not happening. With Spurs he would not be playing in the shadow of Duncan at all since Duncan was a power forward. LeBron with Kawhi would start a new chapter of Spurs basketball. All the Laker fans going to compare everything he does to Kobe if he goes there just wait.

[DPG21920]

The Cavs would obviously be in rebuild mode if LeBron let them know that he was leaving and going to L.A and to trade him there so they could get something in return from him. LeBron is scheduled to make more than what would be the max next season so he has incentive to opt in and have the Cavs move him. The Lakers could clear out even more cap space by packaging Ball with Deng and another pick and Cleveland could use young talent if even that means taking on Deng.

Jr., Tristan, Hill and Deng would all come off the books in two seasons and it's not like they are making the playoffs in that time so adding the 3rd overall pick from last year's draft, along with the 8th and 25 pick is a better start than when LeBron left the first time.

Zero chance they take Deng. None.

[John B]

Supposed Lebron goes to Lakers with PG and maybe convince CP3? That doesn’t look good on CP3 jumping boats but they could be competitive but is it enough with unproven coach and inexperienced role players to beat Dubs? Is it enough to beat a healthy Kawhi, LMA and new acquisition? Because I’m sure FO will not stop at Lebron if we don’t get him. Kawhi will demand help as part of resigning, a Cousins? I still think LeBron’s best chance is to team up with Kawhi and Pops in a defensive team, from a pure basketball standpoint. He’ll go to Spurs.

[sasaint]

What. Do you want to elaborate? He asked someone for directions to Tim's house? If so, where have you heard that? Or are you just fucking with us? Also, why would he ask for directions? That's just weird. I'm sure he'd be able to get there without asking anyone.

A few weeks ago, I was at a local Mexican restaurant with a group of friends. I noticed William Shatner at a nearby table and pointed him out to my wife. But when we left, we passed right by him, and I realized it was some other 300 lb. red-faced dude. Looked just like Shatner, though...

[szkorhetz]

If LBJ comes I guess a lot of ring chaser veterans will want to be part of the team. Reddick, Wade, Tyreke, Bradley, Chandler are all interesting possibilites.

[DPG21920]

What. Do you want to elaborate? He asked someone for directions to Tim's house? If so, where have you heard that? Or are you just fucking with us? Also, why would he ask for directions? That's just weird. I'm sure he'd be able to get there without asking anyone.

People - hes mocking you all

[John B]

A few weeks ago, I was at a local Mexican restaurant with a group of friends. I noticed William Shatner at a nearby table and pointed him out to my wife. But when we left, we passed right by him, and I realized it was some other 300 lb. red-faced dude. Looked just like Shatner, though...
I don’t think a look-alike Bron would be driving a Lambo though. If that guys driving KIA K900, that’s probably not him :lol

[szkorhetz]

I don’t think a look-alike Bron would be driving a Lambo though. If that guys driving KIA K900, that’s probably not him :lol
So Bron came all along from Cleveland to SA by car? Interesting.
He needs to clear head after the sweep, I get that, but still.. :)

[John B]

Okay a rental Rover then :bobo

[DMC]

Why would LeBron want to play in the shadow of Kobe Bryant? He would have to win 6 NBA championships to better Kobe's run. Not happening. With Spurs he would not be playing in the shadow of Duncan at all since Duncan was a power forward. LeBron with Kawhi would start a new chapter of Spurs basketball. All the Laker fans going to compare everything he does to Kobe if he goes there just wait.

That's some special pleading you have going on there with the Tim/Kobe comment. Lebron would be playing in Tim's shadow, like it or not. It has nothing to do with Tim being a power forward. It has everything to do with every banner hanging above Lebron's head brought to you by Tim Duncan. The "shadow" thing is overblown. Did Kobe play in Magic's shadow? I don't recall that conversation. Kareem had 6 rings, and I also don't recall that comparison. Players get compared to the greats, rarely to former team members.

The problem in LA for Lebron isn't that he'd be in Kobe's shadow, but that he'd be in Kobe's wake. Kobe's fan base and the caustic situation he left there (and probably still insists on being involved with) would be detrimental to building anything. Hell, the management cannot even figure out who they want as leadership and ownership.

SA would be a shoo in if they weren't so small town. Their success created a small bump in interest from other free agents, but nothing substantial. They'll offer platitudes about Pop and RC, but they won't come to play for them.

[sasaint]

That's some special pleading you have going on there with the Tim/Kobe comment. Lebron would be playing in Tim's shadow, like it or not. It has nothing to do with Tim being a power forward. It has everything to do with every banner hanging above Lebron's head brought to you by Tim Duncan. The "shadow" thing is overblown. Did Kobe play in Magic's shadow? I don't recall that conversation. Kareem had 6 rings, and I also don't recall that comparison. Players get compared to the greats, rarely to former team members.

The problem in LA for Lebron isn't that he'd be in Kobe's shadow, but that he'd be in Kobe's wake. Kobe's fan base and the caustic situation he left there (and probably still insists on being involved with) would be detrimental to building anything. Hell, the management cannot even figure out who they want as leadership and ownership.

SA would be a shoo in if they weren't so small town. Their success created a small bump in interest from other free agents, but nothing substantial. They'll offer platitudes about Pop and RC, but they won't come to play for them.

You need to drink some more of the PATFO Kool-aid.

[DMC]

Lebron James is in San Antonio looking for Timmy Duncan.

Yessir.

It's summer. Tim is retired. There's a 90% chance Tim is in the islands. Lebron won't do anything until his family has vacationed. Even Pop had to meet Tim in the islands. GS met KD in the Hamptons.

:lol asking a local about where Tim lives... like you can walk up and knock on his door.

[John B]

Would additional rings not make SA a bigger market for basketball? I know Duncan era while resulted to 5 rings was “boring” to a lot of people (personally I didn’t think so), and didn’t get that elusive back-to-back and 3peat. But Bron/Kawhi would be a new era of fastbreaks and dunks. Isn’t that what the media want?

[look_at_g_shred]

Would additional rings not make SA a bigger market for basketball? I know Duncan era while resulted to 5 rings was “boring” to a lot of people (personally I didn’t think so), and didn’t get that elusive back-to-back and 3peat. But Bron/Kawhi would be a new era of fastbreaks and dunks. Isn’t that what the media want?
No, because its San Antonio.

[John B]

Cleveland was not far too off but you see LeBron’s jersey everywhere. I don’t think it’s solely SA, but a combination of Spurs type of basketball (boring), Duncan’s demeanor (boring) and Pops disdain for reporters (did not help), but calculated for Spurs to fly under radar. But LeBron is a different personality who will sell his products, will dunk and awe viewers, and doesn’t need to cover under radar because of dominance. It’s a Global market and not just anymore prices of seats imo

[.G.]

No, because its San Antonio.

Exactly. Was in Vegas a while back. No wonder they got the Raiders. Pffffft lmao San Antojio is a lllllllllong way from landing another professional sports franchise. Maybe in another 25 years. I'll admit it: San Antonio is fucking lame. Just like the bumper stickers say. It's true. But if the lil niggz wants to win, and catch MJ, his best shot now is with Dem Spurs.

[cd021]

Zero chance they take Deng. None.
:lol
L.A got Brooklyn to take back Mozgovs deal with $45 million remaining to get DeAngelo Russell and even threw in a 1st for the privilege. That was less than a year ago.

Cleveland would certainly take on his 2 years, $37 million if it meant getting back a pick or two plus Lonzo in return.

Gilbert was super aggressive last time LeBron left, even taking on Baron Davis' bad deal for an extra pick that turned out to be Kyrie.

Lakers and Cavs could agree to a deal before draft night for LeBron, then make it official after the Laker's make a selection at 25. Doing so would allow the Lakers to also move their 2019 pick in that deal.

Gilbert can wait a year and then stretch and waive Deng and spread the $6.3 million over the next three seasons. It's certainly not untradable, it just might require the Lakers give up two picks and Ball to get it done instead.

[DPG21920]

:lol
L.A got Brooklyn to take back Mozgovs deal with $45 million remaining to get DeAngelo Russell and even threw in a 1st for the privilege. That was less a year ago.

Cleveland would certainly take on his 2 years, $37 million if it meant getting back a pick and Lonzo in return.

Gilbert was super aggressive last time LeBron left, even taking on Baron Davis' bad deal for an extra pick that turned out to be Kyrie.

Lakers and Cavs could agree to a deal before draft night for LeBron, then make it official after the Laker's make a selection at 25. Doing so would allow the Lakers to also move their 2019 pick in that deal.

Gilbert can wait a year and then stretch and waive Deng and spread the $6.3 million over the next three seasons. It's certainly not untradable, it just might require the Lakers give up two picks and Ball to get it done instead.

I will make you a bet. That if Bron goes to LA and there is a trade that Deng does not end up in CLE.

[pgardn]

It's summer. Tim is retired. There's a 90% chance Tim is in the islands. Lebron won't do anything until his family has vacationed. Even Pop had to meet Tim in the islands. GS met KD in the Hamptons.

:lol asking a local about where Tim lives... like you can walk up and knock on his door.


Cielo Vista, not his physical address. Where’s the neighborhood? that’s Duncan’s, Yep.

That’s it. That’s all I got.

At the Rim. Still in his car. Maybe he knew her. I don’t know.

I Seriously don’t give a fck. He “asked” older woman I have never seen. Like I said before I don’t have sauces and such and did not gawk stop and take pictures for shut ins on this site. He could have dropped by for a look at Tims trophies since you are so sure Tim is gone. I have not a clue. What I know is L. James was in San Antonio on Sunday. You can make up the vacation scenario.

[NameLess Scrub]

SA would be a shoo in if they weren't so small town. Their success created a small bump in interest from other free agents, but nothing substantial. They'll offer platitudes about Pop and RC, but they won't come to play for them.

Thanks

[NameLess Scrub]

No, because its San Antonio.

Exactly

[SnakeBoy]

Cielo Vista, not his physical address. Where’s the neighborhood? that’s Duncan’s, Yep.

That’s it. That’s all I got.

At the Rim. Still in his car. Maybe he knew her. I don’t know.

I Seriously don’t give a fck. He “asked” older woman I have never seen. Like I said before I don’t have sauces and such and did not gawk stop and take pictures for shut ins on this site. He could have dropped by for a look at Tims trophies since you are so sure Tim is gone. I have not a clue. What I know is L. James was in San Antonio on Sunday. You can make up the vacation scenario.

What kind of car was he in?

[exstatic]

Supposed Lebron goes to Lakers with PG and maybe convince CP3? That doesn’t look good on CP3 jumping boats but they could be competitive but is it enough with unproven coach and inexperienced role players to beat Dubs? Is it enough to beat a healthy Kawhi, LMA and new acquisition? Because I’m sure FO will not stop at Lebron if we don’t get him. Kawhi will demand help as part of resigning, a Cousins? I still think LeBron’s best chance is to team up with Kawhi and Pops in a defensive team, from a pure basketball standpoint. He’ll go to Spurs.

Lakers have room for only two of those, and no one is going to take out their trash (Deng) to make it three.

[cd98]

Lebron coming to SA would be gold for the Spurs and the City from a marketing standpoint. But it also would probably ruin the Spurs as we know it. Lebron is leaving the Cavs worse off (if he goes). He got them to go into the tank on the salary cap and overpay mostly scrub players. He also dominated the culture and turned his teammates into little Lebronettes. Imagine the entitlement he'll teach Kawhi and his folks. And Lebron and his buddies would pretty much take over the Spurs organization. I think Lebron respects the Spurs from afar, but he's more into the Lebron culture.

[exstatic]

:lol
L.A got Brooklyn to take back Mozgovs deal with $45 million remaining to get DeAngelo Russell and even threw in a 1st for the privilege. That was less than a year ago.

Cleveland would certainly take on his 2 years, $37 million if it meant getting back a pick or two plus Lonzo in return.

Gilbert was super aggressive last time LeBron left, even taking on Baron Davis' bad deal for an extra pick that turned out to be Kyrie.

Lakers and Cavs could agree to a deal before draft night for LeBron, then make it official after the Laker's make a selection at 25. Doing so would allow the Lakers to also move their 2019 pick in that deal.

Gilbert can wait a year and then stretch and waive Deng and spread the $6.3 million over the next three seasons. It's certainly not untradable, it just might require the Lakers give up two picks and Ball to get it done instead.

If LeBron goes to LA, those picks won't be worth a warm bucket of spit. Gilbert would never help a team that he sees as stealing his player. Sometimes, it's actually better to get nothing. Gilbert could also rent cap space to teams with better picks.

[MR-Clutch]

How does the spurs offering the QO to Anderson affect our cap space if we wanted to sign Lebron? Obviously we have to trade gasol but I thought we needed to renounce all free agents too?

[DPG21920]

How does the spurs offering the QO to Anderson affect our cap space if we wanted to sign Lebron? Obviously we have to trade gasol but I thought we needed to renounce all free agents too?

Basically it’s just an artificial temporary hold. If Lebron wanted to come, they could rescind the QO and that cap space would become available. If Bron doesn’t come though, then having that in place allows SA to control whether or not they keep Kyle.

[exstatic]

How does the spurs offering the QO to Anderson affect our cap space if we wanted to sign Lebron? Obviously we have to trade gasol but I thought we needed to renounce all free agents too?

You can always revoke the QO and renounce him. You don't actually clear any of the cap room until you reach an agreement with the FA you are recruiting.

[cd021]

If LeBron goes to LA, those picks won't be worth a warm bucket of spit. Gilbert would never help a team that he sees as stealing his player. Sometimes, it's actually better to get nothing. Gilbert could also rent cap space to teams with better picks.

Except that he did an S&T with Miami, which got LeBron the 6 year max and him a 1st that was expecting to be a late 1st. Gilbert could and probably would accept a LeBron for Lonzo, Deng and 2 1st rounders deal based on his track record.

That move would help both teams-L.A more but Cleveland needs prospects and picks and that deal were to give them both. As for buying better firsts, they would have essential brought 3 1sts for the cost of Deng's contract.

He could wait a year then stretch and waive Deng and cut Hill and then wait another to get off of Thompson and Smith's before accelerating their rebuild by taking on more bad deals for more picks.

[exstatic]

Except that he did an S&T with Miami, which got LeBron the 6 year max and him a 1st that was expecting to be a late 1st. Gilbert could and probably would accept a LeBron for Lonzo, Deng and 2 1st rounders deal based on his track record.

That move would help both teams-L.A more but Cleveland needs prospects and picks and that deal were to give them both. As for buying better firsts, they would have essential brought 3 1sts for the cost of Deng's contract.

He could wait a year then stretch and waive Deng and cut Hill and then wait another to get off of Thompson and Smith's before accelerating their rebuild by taking on more bad deals for more picks.
No matter how I slice it, i justcant see Gilbert helping LA to create a super team by trading Lebron for crap. He can just start renting his cap space this summer to teams with GOOD picks.

[spurschamps99030507]

Gary Payton: Bronny James Committed to Sierra Canyon School in Los Angeles


“Anything could happen. People don’t look at everything. (LeBron James’) son just committed to Sierra Canyon which is in the valley of LA. That’s where his son is going to go to school Scottie Pippen’s son and Kenyon Martin’s son. So, that’s a move that they’re going to make … if everybody looks at it with a son at that age, you don’t want to be away from him during that period of time. During the time that we’re having, basketball is school time. I think that (Bronny) needs a father during that time and that’s it. I don’t think LeBron is that type of parent, I think he wants to be around his son a lot and see his son a lot play.”

https://www.slamonline.com/college-hs/high-school/report-bronny-james-enroll-sierra-canyon-school-los-angeles/



@SLAMonline

Chris Martin Palmer
A Sierra Canyon School official reportedly refuted Gary Payton's statement

@ChrisPalmerNBA (https://twitter.com/ChrisPalmerNBA)

Just talked to a Sierra Canyon official on the rumor that Bronny James has committed: "That's news to us. He hasn't."

[dabom]

:lol

[DPG21920]

Except that he did an S&T with Miami, which got LeBron the 6 year max and him a 1st that was expecting to be a late 1st. Gilbert could and probably would accept a LeBron for Lonzo, Deng and 2 1st rounders deal based on his track record.

That move would help both teams-L.A more but Cleveland needs prospects and picks and that deal were to give them both. As for buying better firsts, they would have essential brought 3 1sts for the cost of Deng's contract.

He could wait a year then stretch and waive Deng and cut Hill and then wait another to get off of Thompson and Smith's before accelerating their rebuild by taking on more bad deals for more picks.

Anything is possible but CLE would have to be all time levels of stupid to take on Deng. Now, if they are willing to give you Ingram and Ball? Ok. But not just for one of them.

I would rather have Randle in a sign-and-trade for Lebron for that Deng money then Deng.

[Mugen]

Anything is possible but CLE would have to be all time levels of stupid to take on Deng. Now, if they are willing to give you Ingram and Ball? Ok. But not just for one of them.

I would rather have Randle in a sign-and-trade for Lebron for that Deng money then Deng.

Wouldn't take Lonzo and Ingram to move Deng. Ingram would be enough tbh.

[DPG21920]

Wouldn't take Lonzo and Ingram to move Deng. Ingram would be enough tbh.

Not for CLE. Maybe for another team; but CLE would be really bad, paying high luxury tax by taking in Deng for Bron and they already got blasted for an awful Jordan Clarkson trade where they GAVE a first round pick to the Lakers when they absolutely had to shed Jordan Clarkson :lol

So now that Clarkson move is what is allowing LA to get Lebron already and you are going to help them further (after clearing room for them and giving them a first round pick) by shedding what should be one of the most untradable contracts in the league??

Ok.

[Mugen]

Not for CLE. Maybe for another team; but CLE would be really bad, paying high luxury tax by taking in Deng for Bron and they already got blasted for an awful Jordan Clarkson trade where they GAVE a first round pick to the Lakers when they absolutely had to shed Jordan Clarkson :lol

So now that Clarkson move is what is allowing LA to get Lebron already and you are going to help them further (after clearing room for them and giving them a first round pick) by shedding what should be one of the most untradable contracts in the league??

Ok.

Yeah, wasn't referring to CLE specifically. Just in general, attaching Ingram would be enough to move Deng to any team with the capspace.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, wasn't referring to CLE specifically. Just in general, attaching Ingram would be enough to move Deng to any team with the capspace.

For sure, but we have been discussing CLE specifically. Not only is there already a bad history (Clarkson) but to lose Lebron to them while taking Clarkson AND Deng with the added bonus of paying luxury tax? Yeah. No.

If Lebron gets traded to LAL, they would be idiots to take on Deng. Involve a third team or do whatever, but CLE cannot take on Deng.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Gary Payton: Bronny James Committed to Sierra Canyon School in Los Angeles


“Anything could happen. People don’t look at everything. (LeBron James’) son just committed to Sierra Canyon which is in the valley of LA. That’s where his son is going to go to school Scottie Pippen’s son and Kenyon Martin’s son. So, that’s a move that they’re going to make … if everybody looks at it with a son at that age, you don’t want to be away from him during that period of time. During the time that we’re having, basketball is school time. I think that (Bronny) needs a father during that time and that’s it. I don’t think LeBron is that type of parent, I think he wants to be around his son a lot and see his son a lot play.”

https://www.slamonline.com/college-hs/high-school/report-bronny-james-enroll-sierra-canyon-school-los-angeles/



@SLAMonline


Chris Martin Palmer
A Sierra Canyon School official reportedly refuted Gary Payton's statement

@ChrisPalmerNBA (https://twitter.com/ChrisPalmerNBA)

Just talked to a Sierra Canyon official on the rumor that Bronny James has committed: "That's news to us. He hasn't."





:lol typical SLAM.

In other news, this tweet obviously doesn't mean much but it's interesting to hear other player's opinions

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[DMC]

Cielo Vista, not his physical address. Where’s the neighborhood? that’s Duncan’s, Yep.

That’s it. That’s all I got.

At the Rim. Still in his car. Maybe he knew her. I don’t know.

I Seriously don’t give a fck. He “asked” older woman I have never seen. Like I said before I don’t have sauces and such and did not gawk stop and take pictures for shut ins on this site. He could have dropped by for a look at Tims trophies since you are so sure Tim is gone. I have not a clue. What I know is L. James was in San Antonio on Sunday. You can make up the vacation scenario.

You sure it wasn't JR Smith looking for the championship parade?

[TimDunkem]

Lebron coming to SA would be gold for the Spurs and the City from a marketing standpoint. But it also would probably ruin the Spurs as we know it. Lebron is leaving the Cavs worse off (if he goes). He got them to go into the tank on the salary cap and overpay mostly scrub players. He also dominated the culture and turned his teammates into little Lebronettes. Imagine the entitlement he'll teach Kawhi and his folks. And Lebron and his buddies would pretty much take over the Spurs organization. I think Lebron respects the Spurs from afar, but he's more into the Lebron culture.

Winning titles buys you time. Just look at D-League and Fatty.

[spurschamps99030507]

:lol typical SLAM.

In other news, this tweet obviously doesn't mean much but it's interesting to hear other player's opinions

1005589251508064257

rockets legend


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i3Zf-bK8jk

[SpursDynasty85]

rockets legend


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i3Zf-bK8jk

Not really a Rockets legend but okay. Played for the Spurs too.

[soxxx]

Lebron needs to realize that Kawhi is 26 (going to be 27 in a few weeks), he is younger than what they have in Houston, and if Chris Paul hurts himself again, they wont beat Golden State.

To each his own, I still say to this day, the biggest mistake he made in Cleveland was forcing Wiggins out, he needs to surround himself with younger players, not players late in their careers. Look at Tim Duncan, he was able to win at 38 years old. With Kawhi, he is looking at another 5 year window in San Antonio, where he doesn't have to lead the organization, doesnt have to be the best player on the court, doesnt have to play 40+ minutes, etc.

If he goes to Houston, he will be in the same scenario with a different cast, where he will have to be carrying the load, and his team will begin to heavily rely on him.

[gambit1990]

would be really cool closing out games with:
lebron/manu/kawhi/la/dedmon

:hungry:

[gambit1990]

if lebron signs it'll be interesting to see how much $ tony would be willing to resign for.

[John B]

Dedmon is still in contract with Hawks at 6.3mil. They will come in bunches once LeBron sign. How about Noel? He is unrestricted at only 24. Is he a bust?

[sasaint]

Lebron needs to realize that Kawhi is 26 (going to be 27 in a few weeks), he is younger than what they have in Houston, and if Chris Paul hurts himself again, they wont beat Golden State.

To each his own, I still say to this day, the biggest mistake he made in Cleveland was forcing Wiggins out, he needs to surround himself with younger players, not players late in their careers. Look at Tim Duncan, he was able to win at 38 years old. With Kawhi, he is looking at another 5 year window in San Antonio, where he doesn't have to lead the organization, doesnt have to be the best player on the court, doesnt have to play 40+ minutes, etc.

If he goes to Houston, he will be in the same scenario with a different cast, where he will have to be carrying the load, and his team will begin to heavily rely on him.

I can't see Harden "heavily relying" on LeBron.

[Vic Petro]

If Lebron has designs on transitioning into an ownership role in retirement like Jordan, Spurs might be his quickest path. If current ownership is divorcing, the franchise could be for sale in the relatively near future. Timing might even coincide nicely with his retirement. He’ll never get one of the LA teams and Gilbert probably wouldn’t sell the Cavs to him out of spite.

[exstatic]

I think the league is kind of lining up behind us. Everyone is done with those pricks in GS, and would love to see Lacob stuck with a payroll and tax bill of $400M, and not ring.

[bigfan]

Dedmon is still in contract with Hawks at 6.3mil. They will come in bunches once LeBron sign. How about Noel? He is unrestricted at only 24. Is he a bust?

Dedmon was a great fit when he was here and it sure would be nice to get him back if we could. Noel is a turd.

[Chillen]

Lebron needs to realize that Kawhi is 26 (going to be 27 in a few weeks), he is younger than what they have in Houston, and if Chris Paul hurts himself again, they wont beat Golden State.

To each his own, I still say to this day, the biggest mistake he made in Cleveland was forcing Wiggins out, he needs to surround himself with younger players, not players late in their careers. Look at Tim Duncan, he was able to win at 38 years old. With Kawhi, he is looking at another 5 year window in San Antonio, where he doesn't have to lead the organization, doesnt have to be the best player on the court, doesnt have to play 40+ minutes, etc.

If he goes to Houston, he will be in the same scenario with a different cast, where he will have to be carrying the load, and his team will begin to heavily rely on him.

Well said. Tons of reasons for LeBron to choose Spurs.

[Spurtacular]

if lebron signs it'll be interesting to see how much $ tony would be willing to resign for.

That fucker is getting vet min either way. You think the Spurs are spending valuable dollars on that legacy contract?

[Chillen]

That fucker is getting vet min either way. You think the Spurs are spending valuable dollars on that legacy contract?

If Spurs can sign LeBron, sign Kawhi to supermax and still have Aldridge, etc. Tony would be drooling to be on the roster, Spurs could definitely sign him to a very cheap deal.

[szkorhetz]

That fucker is getting vet min either way. You think the Spurs are spending valuable dollars on that legacy contract?
You are right, they never do it. Oh, wait.

[Spurtacular]

You are right, they never do it. Oh, wait.

It's different this time around; everyone knows that he's done. He's truly a legacy contract.

[Spurtacular]

Lebron James is in San Antonio looking for Timmy Duncan.

Yessir.

He gonna get him out of retirement?

[Spurtacular]

I feel the Spurs are legitimately the 4th option behind Cleveland, LAL, and Philly. I put us just ahead of Houston.

I have us and Philly as top two, tbh. But three through five or six are not far behind.

[007nites]

I heard that Timmy and D-Rob will be joining the meeting with Pop as well. Things could get very interesting.

[hooperflash]

He gonna get him out of retirement?
I was just thinking that lol

[cd021]

Yeah, wasn't referring to CLE specifically. Just in general, attaching Ingram would be enough to move Deng to any team with the capspace.

Pretty much the same thing that I have been saying. Deng should be easily movable so long as L.A is willing to throw in one of their higher picked prospects. Lonzo would be the most likely to be moved because of his poor fit with LeBron.

[cd021]

No matter how I slice it, i justcant see Gilbert helping LA to create a super team by trading Lebron for crap. He can just start renting his cap space this summer to teams with GOOD picks.

This summer? Even if LeBron leaves, they would still have five players making at least $12.5 million and would also have a payroll that would be able $10 million over the cap.

The year after, they will still have Love, Smith, Clarkson, and Thompson on the books- they probably won't have all that much cap, and other teams will. I don't think that is a viable option for the next couple of seasons ,anyway, for them- thus the potential for a trade that nets them Lonzo and a couple of picks.

[Drewlius]

Sorry if this has been asked before but do the Spurs have more cap flexibility/room if they were to sign Lebron or other FAs before Kawhi signs the Supermax deal or does it not effect their available funds either way?

[cutewizard]

would be really cool closing out games with:
lebron/manu/kawhi/la/dedmon

:hungry:

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[cutewizard]

I heard that Timmy and D-Rob will be joining the meeting with Pop as well. Things could get very interesting.


:bobo

[cutewizard]

If Lebron has designs on transitioning into an ownership role in retirement like Jordan, Spurs might be his quickest path. If current ownership is divorcing, the franchise could be for sale in the relatively near future. Timing might even coincide nicely with his retirement. He’ll never get one of the LA teams and Gilbert probably wouldn’t sell the Cavs to him out of spite.


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Oh my god, this could be the post of the year!

Oh my god, Lebron is coming here!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

[cutewizard]

LMAO at videos like this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm1fYYcDFZ8

Hahahahahaha!

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INjlgKfK0Qc

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uEhwQsRXx4

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u0-aUMAqbw