NFL’s Proposed National Anthem Rules: Penalties for Kneeling Being Considered

[ducks]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl’s-proposed-national-anthem-rules-penalties-for-kneeling-being-considered/ar-AAxENMS?ocid=spartandhp

[spurraider21]

:lol an idea being floated in the room

[ducks]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23582533/nfl-owners-approve-new-national-anthem-policyNew policy requires on-field players, personnel to stand for anthem

[SpursforSix]

I'm pretty sure this would result in players from both teams kneeling resulting in offsetting penalties.
Unless they're going to assess 15 yards per kneeler.

Bellicheck would have his players start to kneel and then at the last second would have enough stand up so they had exactly one less kneeler than the other team.

[Pavlov]

:lol snowflakes

[benefactor]

I'm pretty sure this would result in players from both teams kneeling resulting in offsetting penalties.
Unless they're going to assess 15 yards per kneeler.

:lol

[Winehole23]

political correctness run amok. NFL stadiums now safe spaces for patriotic snowflakes.

[ducks]

I'm pretty sure this would result in players from both teams kneeling resulting in offsetting penalties.
Unless they're going to assess 15 yards per kneeler.

Bellicheck would have his players start to kneel and then at the last second would have enough stand up so they had exactly one less kneeler than the other team.

teams get fined not players all owners voted for it

[SpursforSix]

teams get fined not players all owners voted for it

I was talking about this


An idea being floated in the room goes like this: It would be up to the home team on whether both teams come out of the locker room for the anthem, and, should teams come out, 15-yard penalties could be assessed for kneeling.

[Spurminator]

No input from the Free Speech Crisis on Campus folks.

[rjv]

political correctness run amok. NFL stadiums now safe spaces for patriotic snowflakes.

and the airwaves safe for jingoistic advertisers.

[Chris]

Bad news for virtue signalers. Turns out teams don't want or need these distractions. Tell you what - try protesting when you're not on the clock you dumb motherfuckers.

[spurraider21]

Bad news for virtue signalers. Turns out teams don't want or need these distractions. Tell you what - try protesting when you're not on the clock you dumb motherfuckers.
yes. that's what bothered you. that they are on the clock.

[Pavlov]

lol snowflake Chris

[ducks]

Bad news for virtue signalers. Turns out teams don't want or need these distractions. Tell you what - try protesting when you're not on the clock you dumb motherfuckers.

the same with pop
media is there to cover spurs not his political views
go on fox news cnn msnbc abc cbs and do you political thing pop

[Chris]

the same with pop
media is there to cover spurs not his political views
go on fox news cnn msnbc abc cbs and do you political thing pop

Absolutely correct.

[Pavlov]

But if they are pro-Trump they can say whatever they want whenever they want.

[ducks]

But if they are pro-Trump they can say whatever they want whenever they want.

no leave politics out of it on the clock

[monosylab1k]

the same with pop
media is there to cover spurs not his political views
go on fox news cnn msnbc abc cbs and do you political thing pop

Kanye West too, right?

[Chris]

the same with pop
media is there to cover spurs not his political views
go on fox news cnn msnbc abc cbs and do you political thing pop

Also when you create a culture of NOT talking to the media and having the team NOT talk to the media, but we make exceptions for bashing Trump. Pop's double standards a perfect blueprint for Liberalism.

[Pavlov]

no leave politics out of it on the clockBut "patriotism" must be enforced on the clock.

[Chris]

But "patriotism" must be enforced on the clock.

When did patriotism become taboo?

[ducks]

Kanye West too, right?

when he is being paid by someone yes

he works for himself he sings
pop works for spurs
football players work for owners


when he is doing a concert singing a song people know if his songs contain political views if they do not like it do not pay to see them


people pay to see spurs players play not to see pop talk about political things

[ducks]

But "patriotism" must be enforced on the clock.

if you want to play in nfl now yes
if not go find another line of work

there are places that require you to wear ties and a certain dress code

do not like it work someone else

[RandomGuy]

teams get fined not players all owners voted for it

Owners are now saying they will pay the fines for any players who chose to kneel.

[Pavlov]

When did patriotism become taboo?It's not.

Why should it be enforced under threat?

[Pavlov]

if you want to play in nfl now yes
if not go find another line of work

there are places that require you to wear ties and a certain dress code

do not like it work someone elseSince when is patriotism a dress code?

[monosylab1k]

when he is being paid by someone yes

he works for himself he sings
pop works for spurs
football players work for owners


when he is doing a concert singing a song people know if his songs contain political views if they do not like it do not pay to see them


people pay to see spurs players play not to see pop talk about political things

Pop talks politics in the middle of games?

[ducks]

he rolled his eyes on trump winning doing the primary

[ducks]

Since when is patriotism a dress code?

lol you can buy USA flag shirts

[Pavlov]

lol you can buy USA flag shirtsClothing<>dress code

[Nathan89]

Forcing people to participate is not the solution(even though that's exactly what the NBA does and they are lauded for being "progressive"). A compromise is to have them go elsewhere if they don't want to participate. It's a shitty protest. The league should have a conversation with the players to convince them of that. Throw in some more effective actions of community service as well.

[Chucho]

And, naturally, there was zero activism this off-season so far.

Faux morality from elitist millionaires trying to feed political prescriptions to us schmucks.

[spurraider21]

Forcing people to participate is not the solution(even though that's exactly what the NBA does and they are lauded for being "progressive"). A compromise is to have them go elsewhere if they don't want to participate. It's a shitty protest. The league should have a conversation with the players to convince them of that. Throw in some more effective actions of community service as well.
community service in lieu of protesting. interesting thought. they shoulda tried that in the 60s

[Nathan89]

The protest causes more harm than good. The national anthem isn't the stage for your protest. If it is then it would be in continual use. A protest should seek a relevant stage.

[Pavlov]

The protest causes more harm than good.What does it harm besides snowflake feelings?

[Winehole23]

999444046090264578

[leemajors]

When did patriotism become taboo?

Why did the NFL suddenly become "patriotic" in 2009?

[Nathan89]

999444046090264578

I and many others have been complaining about their breast cancer awareness shit for years. Making the national anthem the stage for that shit would also not be met with open arms.

[Spurminator]

I and many others have been complaining about their breast cancer awareness shit for years.

What, exactly, is your complaint? Why do you care so much?

You guys get worked up over the stupidest bullshit.
:cry kneelers :cry
:cry pink shoes in october :cry

[ducks]

Players that do not want to stand can be in the tunnel

So they are not forcing players anything



fe6 hours ago
I'm a teacher. My freedom of speech is restricted on the job, and I cannot share my personal political views with my students. Why should an NFL player have more rights than me?

[Pavlov]

I and many others have been complaining about their breast cancer awareness shit for years.


What, exactly, is your complaint? Why do you care so much?

You guys get worked up over the stupidest bullshit.
:cry kneelers :cry
:cry pink shoes in october :cry

Of all the things to be a snowflake about -- breast cancer awareness!

:lmao

[Nathan89]

At least we're done with the "it's only because of this topic" narrative tbh.

[Pavlov]

At least we're done with the "it's only because of this topic" narrative tbh.If you want to own being a snowflake about multiple things, OK.

[Nathan89]

If you want to own being a snowflake about multiple things, OK.

I think both things are shit. I'm fine with that.

[Pavlov]

I think both things are shit. I'm fine with that.I'm fine with your being a snowflake.

[Nathan89]

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Recommended read to anyone who thinks forcing people to stand is a positive.

[Winehole23]

Forcing people to participate is not the solution(even though that's exactly what the NBA does and they are lauded for being "progressive"). A compromise is to have them go elsewhere if they don't want to participate. It's a shitty protest. The league should have a conversation with the players to convince them of that. Throw in some more effective actions of community service as well.How about we just skip the anthem?

[Winehole23]

why is a patriotic display obligatory at sporting events?

[boutons_deux]

How about we just skip the anthem?

... and skip the entire American obsession with the flag and the totally corrupt military that spends $500M+ / year on marketing, for profit, cultivating that obsession.

[AaronY]

Kaepernick's whole protest was stupid anyway since he didn't ask for anything concrete. Just kneeling until what?

[Winehole23]

“You have to stand proudly for the national anthem or you shouldn't be playing, you shouldn't be there, maybe you shouldn't be in the country."

[clambake]

why is a patriotic display obligatory at sporting events?

cuz you have to kneel to your country, now.

[spurraider21]

Kaepernick's whole protest was stupid anyway since he didn't ask for anything concrete. Just kneeling until what?
Did there have to be a demand? His kneeling never should have blown up into headline news. A quiet personal protest because he’s unhappy doesn’t need to have an ultimatum

[AaronY]

Did there have to be a demand? His kneeling never should have blown up into headline news. A quiet personal protest because he’s unhappy doesn’t need to have an ultimatum
Yeah, the reaction was stupid but it would have at least put pressure on people if he had some kind of concrete demand for police policy as it is it accomplished absolutely zilch but to fire up middle amertica

[AaronY]

Epic waste of time basically

[spurraider21]

Epic waste of time basically
It's not like he was out there publicizing it. He was quietly doing his thing until people made a big deal out of it.

[rjv]

Why did the NFL suddenly become "patriotic" in 2009? it discovered that an alliance with the military was profitable. so now we get fly overs and gigantic flags forced upon us. not only is america patriotic, we're the most patriotic, damnit!

[Blake]

We need some Toby Keith about now dammit

[boutons_deux]

N.F.L. Adds First Amendment to List of Banned Substances

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5b05f95e81dbdd4b5895f550/master/w_1298,c_limit/Borowitz-NFLFreeSpeech.jpg

NEW YORK —The National Football League has expanded its list of banned substances to include the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, the league confirmed on Wednesday.

Although the N.F.L. has long banned substances such as anabolic steroids and growth hormones, the First Amendment is believed to be the only right guaranteed by the Constitution to be included on the list.

Roger Goodell, the commissioner of the National Football League, said that, by

adding the First Amendment to the list of banned substances,

the N.F.L was establishing a “policy of zero tolerance on tolerance.”

In order to enforce the ban, Goodell said that players would be tested periodically to determine whether they had used words, gestures, or facial expressions that are strictly prohibited under the new rule.

Speaking at the White House,

Donald Trump applauded the league

for banning the approximately seventeen hundred N.F.L. players from exercising freedom of speech, and

expressed hope that the ban could eventually be expanded to include the other 350M million Americans.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/nfl-adds-first-amendment-to-list-of-banned-substances (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/nfl-adds-first-amendment-to-list-of-banned-substances)

[LkrFan]

999682183710167040

:lol

[ducks]

why are the liberals so happy trump cancelled the meeting
he is smart enough not to get played thought kim was so cancelled
he is putting America first

[Pavlov]

why are the liberals so happy trump cancelled the meeting
he is smart enough not to get played thought kim was so cancelled
he is putting America firstIs that what the anthem protests were about?

[ducks]

look at LkrFan post

[ducks]

Is that what the anthem protests were about?

only you would think that since it started before the were planning the meeting

[Blake]

look at LkrFan post

You think it's real?

[ducks]

no but ed was like yes trump cancelled the meeting

[Pavlov]

no but ed was like yes trump cancelled the meetingWhat meeting?

Kim ghosted Dennison so Dennison had to send him a letter.

:lol

[boutons_deux]

the kneelers were protesting police harassment, slaughter of blacks, had nothing do with flag, military, vets.

the racists co opted the kneelers, refused to recognize the why of the kneeling, by accusing them of being anti-military, anti-vet, anti-fucking-flag-fetish

[Nathan89]

It's quite easy to recognize the protest issues and think it's disrespectful to other things. That's why a protest should pick a relevant stage. There will never be a time when there isn't an issue worth protesting. It'd be moronic to just pile those on irrelevant stages.

[Winehole23]

Totally agree. A football game isn't an appropriate venue for a patriotic rally.

[Chris]

If you work at McDonalds should you be allowed to protest on the clock or should you be required to adhere to the companies standards and protocols? People forget this is a business and there are rules. You can't make exceptions because of partisanship, that is foolish. So no a football game isn't the appropriate venue for a protest unless it's the fans protesting and Nathan is absolutely correct.

[spurraider21]

If you work at McDonalds should you be allowed to protest on the clock or should you be required to adhere to the companies standards and protocols? People forget this is a business and there are rules. You can't make exceptions because of partisanship, that is foolish. So no a football game isn't the appropriate venue for a protest unless it's the fans protesting and Nathan is absolutely correct.
if a cashier at mcdonalds started protesting instead of taking an order, then yeah he should be disciplined. it's getting in the way of his work.

if kaep takes a knee during the anthem, who the fuck cares? now if he takes a knee on 4th down in a tie game... that's different.

[Pavlov]

If you work at McDonalds should you be allowed to protest on the clock or should you be required to adhere to the companies standards and protocols? People forget this is a business and there are rules. You can't make exceptions because of partisanship, that is foolish. So no a football game isn't the appropriate venue for a protest unless it's the fans protesting and Nathan is absolutely correct.Are there mandatory anthem salutes at McDonald's?

[Chris]

if kaep takes a knee during the anthem, who the fuck cares?

The owners and the fans he is openly shitting on. Pick a different forum when you're not on the clock. Simple.

[Pavlov]

The owners and the fans he is openly shitting on. Pick a different forum when you're not on the clock. Simple.No one is shitting on anything, snowflake. It's one of the more peaceful and respectful protests out there tbh.

[Chris]

No one is shitting on anything, snowflake. It's one of the more peaceful and respectful protests out there tbh.

He's shitting on the military and the fans who take it personal. Your opinion means nothing since you don't go to the games and I'm willing to bet you've never served with your anti-American ideology. You don't understand that there are consequences (season ticketholders boycotting the league) You don't have to take the financial hit. You can be comfortably smug in your support of the protests because you have nothing to lose.

[Pavlov]

He's shitting on the military and the fans who take it personal.Snowflakes, you mean.

Call them snowflakes because that's what they are.

That's what you are.

[Chris]

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[Nathan89]

Is kneeling bad for the NFL? Absolutely. How you handle the issue matters though. This is a bullshit way of handling it which is also bad for the NFL. It actually threw gas on the fire. We don't know how many players were going to kneel next year. They've been through an entire season of this already so they are probably more open to discussion instead of protesting till the end of their career.

Trump is wrong Chris. It's a shit protest and it is bad for the country. Handling it this way is also bad for the country.

[Nathan89]

I really wish we could do a nation wide community outreach with the police to help merge the divide.

[Chris]

Is kneeling bad for the NFL? Absolutely. How you handle the issue matters though. This is a bullshit way of handling it which is also bad for the NFL. It actually threw gas on the fire. We don't know how many players were going to kneel next year. They've been through an entire season of this already so they are probably more open to discussion instead of protesting till the end of their career.

Trump is wrong Chris. It's a shit protest and it is bad for the country. Handling it this way is also bad for the country.

He's never been shy about voicing his opinion no matter the subject. He's not going to butter up his response because he truly believes in America and what a privilege it is to live here much less play football for outrageous sums of money.

He's calling out their patriotism which isn't as wrong as you think it is. It's simply tough love.

I also agree that if you can't stand for this country and you feel like you are being oppressed perhaps a change of scenery will change your mind. Nothing is stopping these players from going to the CFL or another venue to apply their craft.

The League is correct for punishing this kind of behavior and it is their right to do so. This is a business after all and if you can't play by the rules you should be fired no matter what company you are working for. I'm curious how you think Trump should have reacted to the ruling.

[Chris]

The League also gave the players an out to stay off the field if they don't want to stand absolving themselves of the aforementioned "forced patriotism." Brilliant.

[Nathan89]

He's never been shy about voicing his opinion no matter the subject. He's not going to butter up his response because he truly believes in America and what a privilege it is to live here much less play football for outrageous sums of money.

He's calling out their patriotism which isn't as wrong as you think it is. It's simply tough love.

I also agree that if you can't stand for this country and you feel like you are being oppressed perhaps a change of scenery will change your mind. Nothing is stopping these players from going to the CFL or another venue to apply their craft.

The League is correct for punishing this kind of behavior and it is their right to do so. This is a business after all and if you can't play by the rules you should be fired no matter what company you are working for. I'm curious how you think Trump should have reacted to the ruling.

He's utilizing very ineffective tactics to get people to stand. Perhaps discussing some statistics on police treatment between the races. Perhaps argue the absurdity of using the anthem as your irrelevant protest stage knowing there will never be a time to not protest an issue. Perhaps we can lessen drug laws or treat it medically which will limit interaction and tension. Perhaps we can create more community outreach so the community and police will be on better terms. Continued conversation on why you think people should stand is also fine. Trying to shame/bully people to your side isn't a good solution.

Of course they have the right to do it. Companies have the right to squash the presence of conservative talkers. That doesn't mean the public should support those actions.

Trump should have never got involved in the manner that he did. He could've made his opinion known but he did it in a negative way. Explain your side but don't berate the other side.

[Nathan89]

The League also gave the players an out to stay off the field if they don't want to stand absolving themselves of the aforementioned "forced patriotism." Brilliant.

Yeah, I read someone else say this. That makes it more reasonable. Should have been more of the focus to the public.

[Pavlov]

999858847245193217:lol still bitter he couldn't get an NFL team and fucked up the team he actually had.

:rollin shouldn't be in the country

[Chris]

NFL knows it has competition in the form of the XFL coming soon in 2020. Trying to win back the hearts and minds of the fans they spurned, but it may be too late. Trump simply needs to endorse the NFL and a lot of the "boycotters" will return.

[Chris]

:lol still bitter he couldn't get an NFL team and fucked up the team he actually had.

:rollin shouldn't be in the country

Are you happy to be here Pavlov?

[Pavlov]

Are you happy to be here Pavlov?Be where?

On ST?

:lmao

[ElNono]

It's quite easy to recognize the protest issues and think it's disrespectful to other things. That's why a protest should pick a relevant stage. There will never be a time when there isn't an issue worth protesting. It'd be moronic to just pile those on irrelevant stages.

Not only speech can be disrespectful, it can be outright offensive, and it's obviously one of the pillars of the United States.

Plus, if we're to measure the protest success as far as raising awareness of the cause, and widespread coverage, it was definitely effective.

Heck, probably 90% of other people that protest for different reasons on a daily basis would love to have that kind of 'irrelevant stage'...

[ElNono]

You know when the kneeling is going to stop? When snowflakes stop getting triggered about it.

I don't even get what's upsetting about some random dude kneeling while the anthem is playing. Somebody is probably taking a shit in the bathroom too, what's the big deal?

[Chris]

Snowflake is a term for Liberals. You guys keep stealing our shit. It's pretty sad tbh

[Pavlov]

Snowflake is a term for Liberals. You guys keep stealing our shit. It's pretty sad tbhBut you are a snowflake, Chris.

So sensitive....

[ElNono]

Snowflake is a term for Liberals. You guys keep stealing our shit. It's pretty sad tbh

A 2017 article from Think Progress commented: "The insult expanded to encompass not just the young, but liberals of all ages; it became the epithet of choice for right-wingers to fling at anyone who could be accused of being too easily offended, too in need of "safe spaces, too fragile"

If it walks like a duck...

[Chris]

You can insinuate that the military and season ticket holders are snowflakes. That is your theory and prerogative. I tend to have a little bit more respect than that, but to each their own.

[ElNono]

You can insinuate that the military and season ticket holders are snowflakes. That is your theory and prerogative. I tend to have a little bit more respect than that, but to each their own.

I certainly don't discriminate, if you're triggered by the kneeling, they won and they're gonna come back.

Much like people make the argument that banning all guns is not the solution, banning this thing only gives it more magnitude and meaning. Streisand effect.

[Pavlov]

You can insinuate that the military and season ticket holders are snowflakes. That is your theory and prerogative. I tend to have a little bit more respect than that, but to each their own.
Kneeling was a military man's idea in the first place.

Now what, Chris?

[Chris]

I certainly don't discriminate, if you're triggered by the kneeling, they won and they're gonna come back.

Much like people make the argument that banning all guns is not the solution, banning this thing only gives it more magnitude and meaning. Streisand effect.

The players kneeling are not prepared to suffer the consequences hence the lawsuits. Turns out virtue signaling can have repercussions. I have no sympathy for these ne'er-do-wells.

[Chris]

You don't give a fuck about military personnel if they don't follow your agenda so don't pretend you do, OK?

You sound angry.

lol you edited that fast :lol

[Pavlov]

The players kneeling are not prepared to suffer the consequences hence the lawsuits. Turns out virtue signaling can have repercussions. I have no sympathy for these ne'er-do-wells.What lawsuits, Chris?

Is there some kind of civil snowflake law they are violating?

[Chris]

Players are fling lawsuits against the NFL Pavlov. Try to keep up please.

[Pavlov]

You sound angry.

lol you edited that fast :lolI'll post it again to show you're afraid of it.

Kneeling was a military man's idea in the first place.

You don't give a fuck about military personnel if they don't follow your agenda so don't pretend you do, OK?

Now what, Chris?

What penalties do you want inflicted on the soldier who proposed the kneeling protest?

Be very specific. Let's see what you really think of the military.

[Chris]

I'll post it again to show you're afraid of it.

Kneeling was a military man's idea in the first place.

You don't give a fuck about military personnel if they don't follow your agenda so don't pretend you do, OK?

Now what, Chris?

What penalties do you want inflicted on the soldier who proposed the kneeling protest?

Be very specific. Let's see what you really think of the military.

Kaepernick clearly was the catalyst for the entire fiasco. Not sure what you are rambling about. Link?

[ElNono]

The players kneeling are not prepared to suffer the consequences hence the lawsuits. Turns out virtue signaling can have repercussions. I have no sympathy for these ne'er-do-wells.

You don't understand law, don't even go there. The only debatable legal workaround for this would be some sort of new bargaining agreement with the NFLPA, and it would be dubious it would stand in court.

The possibly most fleeting resolution for this is likely that people get used to it and stop caring, then it becomes ineffective.

[ElNono]

Players are fling lawsuits against the NFL Pavlov. Try to keep up please.

Of course they are, they have a solid case. Peaceful protests are a form of speech.

[Pavlov]

Kaepernick clearly was the catalyst for the entire fiasco. Not sure what you are rambling about. Link?Do you know about Nate Boyer?

Yes or no.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

[ElNono]

Then again, it's likely a settlement will come before any of that goes to trial.

Probably as soon as this administration is gone.

[Pavlov]

Players are fling lawsuits against the NFL Pavlov. Try to keep up please.They aren't the ones who would be penalized, unless you are claiming there is a blacklist that will be put together by snowflakes.

Is that your claim?

[Chris]

You don't understand law, don't even go there.

lol "big timing" me...Where's Blake?

[Chris]

Of course they are, they have a solid case. Peaceful protests are a form of speech.

Peaceful protests outside the work environment are fine, yeah. :tu They have no case and are just spinning their wheels because there were repercussions for their bullshit. Saving face or lashing out. Pick one. Pick both.

[Chris]

Do you know about Nate Boyer?

Yes or no.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

Linky linky. Chop chop.

[ElNono]

lol "big timing" me...Where's Blake?

Because you keep talking about lawsuits but not presenting the legal arguments for it. State your legal case.

'players kneeling are not prepared to suffer the consequences' is not a legal argument.


Peaceful protests outside the work environment are fine, yeah. :tu They have no case and are just spinning their wheels because there were repercussions for their bullshit. Saving face or lashing out. Pick one. Pick both.

Legally, that's actually not true. You're allowed to protest on the clock too. Then your boss can fire you, not for protesting, but because you're not doing your job.

It really boils down to that. Just like Colin ended up without a job.

The protest's strength is in numbers. Are NFL owners ready to fire all the players that protest, and the backlash that comes with that? Are players ready to unite and continue protesting? Time will tell.

I don't really care either way, I'm not triggered by the protests.

[Pavlov]

Linky linky. Chop chop.So you admit you are completely ignorant about this?

I will gladly give you a link once you admit your ignorance.

[Chris]

So you admit you are completely ignorant about this?

I will gladly give you a link once you admit your ignorance.

*Risitas

[Chris]

Because you keep talking about lawsuits but not presenting the legal arguments for it. State your legal case.

'players kneeling are not prepared to suffer the consequences' is not a legal argument.

You're taking that out of context. The repercussions are not having a job or getting traded. The lawsuits are coming from the ones doing the kneeling. Like I said they are just spinning their wheels.




Legally, that's actually not true. You're allowed to protest on the clock too. Then your boss can fire you, not for protesting, but because you're not doing your job.

It really boils down to that. Just like Colin ended up without a job.

The protest's strength is in numbers. Are NFL owners ready to fire all the players that protest, and the backlash that comes with that? Are players ready to unite and continue protesting? Time will tell.

I don't really care either way, I'm not triggered by the protests.

So we agree that the workplace is not the ideal forum for protesting and that the NFL was totally in the right. :tu Using you incredible legal acumen do you think the players have a case?

[Pavlov]

*RisitasYou're not answering any questions, Chris.

Do you know about Nate Boyer?

Yes or no.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

[Chris]

You're not answering any questions, Chris.

Do you know about Nate Boyer?

Yes or no.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

You're still here rambling? Poor fella.

[Pavlov]

You're still here rambling? Poor fella.What happened to your being an open book? Poor fella.

All you have to do is answer yes or no, poor fella.

Do you know about Nate Boyer, poor fella?

Yes or no, poor fella.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

[Chris]

What happened to your being an open book? Poor fella.

All you have to do is answer yes or no, poor fella.

Do you know about Nate Boyer, poor fella?

Yes or no, poor fella.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

:lol

Shook like a crook.


I'm still waiting on this eye opening link. You have about 30 more minutes before I lose interest until tomorrow.

[Pavlov]

:lol

Shook like a crook.


I'm still waiting on this eye opening link. You have about 30 more minutes before I lose interest until tomorrow.lol triggered by your own words.

I'll take your words out so you won't be triggered by them again, snowflake.

All you have to do is answer yes or no.

Do you know about Nate Boyer?

Yes or no.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

[Chris]

lol triggered by your own words.

I'll take your words out so you won't be triggered by them again, snowflake.

All you have to do is answer yes or no.

Do you know about Nate Boyer?

Yes or no.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

20 minutes.

[Pavlov]

20 minutes.You can stall all you want. Won't make it less true.

All you have to do is answer yes or no.

Do you know about Nate Boyer?

Yes or no.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

[ElNono]

You're taking that out of context. The repercussions are not having a job or getting traded. The lawsuits are coming from the ones doing the kneeling. Like I said they are just spinning their wheels.

So we agree that the workplace is not the ideal forum for protesting and that the NFL was totally in the right. :tu Using you incredible legal acumen do you think the players have a case?

No, we don't agree. Arguably, that is the ideal place given the exposure, and the fact that it's clearly effective considering it seems to affect deeply those who care on both sides of the argument. Plus it's legal. The worst that could happen to a protest is to go unnoticed.

Not having a job is possible as an aftermath, but not directly because they're protesting during the anthem.

The NFL understands how the law works, that's why they didn't put out a rule that prohibits it, or directly instructs the teams to fire the player for it. It merely orders players to do it on the locker-room if they're going to do it, outside of public view, or *the teams* get *fined*.

That's because protesting is constitutionally protected by both the right to speech and right to assembly under the 1st Amendment.

While regulations are indeed legal, only the government can apply those regulations (see: Ward v. Rock Against Racism), unless waived by the person (which is a separate can of worms, as a contract with such stipulations would certainly be challenged by players and/or union).

The league faces multiple legal issues: arguably, the rule attempts to indirectly suppress speech, it's not part (AFAIK) of the CBA with the NFLPA, attempts to regulate speech without being the government and without a waiver from the parties, etc.

It doesn't help that the rights granted by the 1st Amendment are probably the most sacred and protected rights in American history. In that sense, the players and the union do have relatively solid legal footing.

One legal workaround would be for the government to declare free-speech zones on each stadium for the players, but that would require government intervention, is probably not a long lasting solution, and likely to make a bigger deal out of this thing, which plays into the protesters camp.

[ElNono]

Anyhow, that's the legal argument/view.

[Chris]

You want the Federal Government to get involved. We're clearly not on the same page. Not in the same book.

You talk about free speech but you know that when you're on the clock you're speaking for the man who is paying you.

You are sitting on the fence concerning the player's lawsuits I can see, and that's understandable. You don't want to be wrong when the verdict comes in.

Free speech zones? Yeah, totally different outlook.

I don't see how "effective" the protesting is besides trolling on a national platform or virtue signaling.

Like I said earlier, it's easy to sit back and defend it because you have nothing to lose. You're not a season ticket holder. You're not an owner losing revenue because some troll wants to pander to his facebook family or the Nation of Islam.

It's the easy way out.

The old saying "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything" is highly apropos here. No one is arguing their right to protest. You can't cry foul and sue when the consequences don't align with your unintended ramifications. It's pretty sad tbh.

[RandomGuy]

In the internment camps, we were forced to face the US flag each morning and recite the Pledge of Allegiance from behind barbed wire fences. Patriotism is earned by a nation that lives up to its promises. It is our sacred duty to always speak out when it does not. #TakeAKnee

[RandomGuy]

Kneeling during the anthem doesn't disrespect the military.

The way we treat homeless veterans and ignore veterans mental health issues because it "costs too much" DOES.

[rjv]

i'd love it if there was a game where none of the players came out of the locker rooms.

[ducks]

I think most have the problem with the players protest at the game
if they did it not when they were playing football game
if they went on the media outlets and did a sit down interview which shows would do I would have no problem with it

[ducks]

Kneeling during the anthem doesn't disrespect the military.

The way we treat homeless veterans and ignore veterans mental health issues because it "costs too much" DOES.

some feel different about that kneeling disrespects military

are you going to run to a fact checker to if kneeling disrespects military?

[Chinook]

I wish someone would just come out and say "fuck the flag". That way, we wouldn't have to keep pussy-footing trying to keep conservative folks from getting mad. It's a fucking piece of cloth, and it only has as much meaning as you put into it. It can represent the best parts of America to some chode if that's what they want, but ultimately, being able to protest, to make people mad and to be able to walk down the street without feeling like your government is out to get you ARE supposed to be the best parts. And we can't have those things because dumbasses want to hide behind the flag and act like saying "America is the best country in the world" over and over again makes it true.

[ducks]

I wish someone would just come out and say "fuck the flag". That way, we wouldn't have to keep pussy-footing trying to keep conservative folks from getting mad. It's a fucking piece of cloth, and it only has as much meaning as you put into it. It can represent the best parts of America to some chode if that's what they want, but ultimately, being able to protest, to make people mad and to be able to walk down the street without feeling like your government is out to get you ARE supposed to be the best parts. And we can't have those things because dumbasses want to hide behind the flag and act like saying "America is the best country in the world" over and over again makes it true.

if America and the flag is so bad MOVE

[spurraider21]

You want the Federal Government to get involved. We're clearly not on the same page. Not in the same book.


One legal workaround would be for the government to declare free-speech zones on each stadium for the players, but that would require government intervention, is probably not a long lasting solution, and likely to make a bigger deal out of this thing, which plays into the protesters camp.
:lol

[RandomGuy]

some feel different about that kneeling disrespects military

are you going to run to a fact checker to if kneeling disrespects military?

I'm a veteran, and I don't feel disrespected.

I think it is awesome, and further note that the idea CAME from a veteran.

How's that for a fact?

[RandomGuy]

I wish someone would just come out and say "fuck the flag". That way, we wouldn't have to keep pussy-footing trying to keep conservative folks from getting mad. It's a fucking piece of cloth, and it only has as much meaning as you put into it. It can represent the best parts of America to some chode if that's what they want, but ultimately, being able to protest, to make people mad and to be able to walk down the street without feeling like your government is out to get you ARE supposed to be the best parts. And we can't have those things because dumbasses want to hide behind the flag and act like saying "America is the best country in the world" over and over again makes it true.

This.

Conservatives want freedom for themselves, but not for others.

[Trill Clinton]

What is more disrespectful? Draft dodging(multiple times) or kneeling during the anthem?
ducks

[clambake]

What is more disrespectful? Draft dodging(multiple times) or kneeling during the anthem?
ducks

ha

[ducks]

I'm a veteran, and I don't feel disrespected.

I think it is awesome, and further note that the idea CAME from a veteran.

How's that for a fact?
other vets feel different
my dad and grandpa

[ducks]

What is more disrespectful? Draft dodging(multiple times) or kneeling during the anthem?
ducks

kneeling

I would not want someone in the milarty that does not want to be there

your heart has to be in it or you might kill people

[clambake]

kneeling

I would not want someone in the milarty that does not want to be there

your heart has to be in it or you might kill people
what a fucking cop out.

[Pavlov]

kneeling

I would not want someone in the milarty that does not want to be there

your heart has to be in it or you might kill peopleWhich is worse, kneeling or burning a draft card?

[Trill Clinton]

kneeling

I would not want someone in the milarty that does not want to be there

your heart has to be in it or you might kill people

So if we go to war and our country is in need of brave men and women to help fight our enemies, you wouldn't bat an eye at an individual dodging or deferring? You're cold-blooded man.

[clambake]

ya know, ducks, now there can't be another draft if its ok to burn your draft card. you agree?

[Blake]

kneeling

I would not want someone in the milarty that does not want to be there

your heart has to be in it or you might kill people

Ducks draft dodger of the 21st century

[clambake]

ducks has migrated to another thread.

[RandomGuy]

other vets feel different
my dad and grandpa

some do, some don't. now what?

[spurraider21]

other vets feel different
my dad and grandpa
i would feel disrespected as a vet if my grandson cant even speak the language of the country i fought to protect

[Chinook]

if America and the flag is so bad MOVE

I'll move my foot right up into your ass first.

[clambake]

I'll move my foot right up into your ass first.
:lol

[ducks]

I'll move my foot right up into your ass first.

No you will not
I beat the tar out of you

[clambake]

ducks, answer the questions

[Billy Cobham]

Funny how the NBA has basically the same rule and nobody complains about it.

You can see the rule in the NBA's official rulebook, under the “Player/Team Conduct and Dress” section, on page 61.




H. PLAYER/TEAM CONDUCT AND DRESS

(1) Each player when introduced, prior to the game, must be uniformly dressed.

(2) Players, coaches and trainers are to stand and line up in a dignified posture along the sidelines or on the foul line during the playing of the National Anthem.

(3) Coaches and assistant coaches must wear a sport coat or suit coat.

(4) While playing, players must keep their uniform shirts tucked into their pants, and no T-shirts are allowed.

[clambake]

doesn't need to be played at all.

[spurraider21]

Funny how the NBA has basically the same rule and nobody complains about it.

You can see the rule in the NBA's official rulebook, under the “Player/Team Conduct and Dress” section, on page 61.




H. PLAYER/TEAM CONDUCT AND DRESS

(1) Each player when introduced, prior to the game, must be uniformly dressed.

(2) Players, coaches and trainers are to stand and line up in a dignified posture along the sidelines or on the foul line during the playing of the National Anthem.

(3) Coaches and assistant coaches must wear a sport coat or suit coat.

(4) While playing, players must keep their uniform shirts tucked into their pants, and no T-shirts are allowed.
the NBA rule was collectively bargained between the players association and the owners. that's a big difference. and the league has given the players a lot of leeway... like when those guys wore I Cant Breathe t-shirts that would was a violation technically punishable by fine. nobody was fined.

[Chinook]

No you will not
I beat the tar out of you


Maybe your dad and granddad will do it for you.

[ducks]

i would feel disrespected as a vet if my grandson cant even speak the language of the country i fought to protect

Yes because writing skills are most important nothing else matters in life

[clambake]

Which is worse, kneeling or burning a draft card?

here ducks. please answer this question first.

[spurraider21]

Yes because writing skills are most important nothing else matters in life
they are quite important. there are other things that matter in life, too. it's not all or nothing. but you could make the effort to improve to learn the language of the country your dad and grandpa fought to protect. would be a good sign of respect imo

[spurraider21]

here ducks. please answer this question first.
he wont. he likes to dodge questions/points he doesnt like.

like all his mistakes in the amazon/post office thread

[clambake]

he wont. he likes to dodge questions/points he doesnt like.

like all his mistakes in the amazon/post office thread

donalds lap duck

[Spurminator]

I just hope the flag is okay from all of the insults it's had to endure. There was a time when we treated inanimate objects with the mandatory pageantry they deserved.

[ducks]

they are quite important. there are other things that matter in life, too. it's not all or nothing. but you could make the effort to improve to learn the language of the country your dad and grandpa fought to protect. would be a good sign of respect imo

I have

sometimes here I write in a hurry

[ducks]

he wont. he likes to dodge questions/points he doesnt like.

like all his mistakes in the amazon/post office thread

how dare I het busy at work

[spurraider21]

how dare I het busy at work
never busy enough to stop posting random articles/links or half-thoughts

always to busy to own a mistake

[ducks]

never busy enough to stop posting random articles/links or half-thoughts

always to busy to own a mistake

I do not control walk ins

[spurraider21]

I do not control walk ins


never busy enough to stop posting random articles/links or half-thoughts

always too busy to own a mistake

[Trill Clinton]

Funny how the NBA has basically the same rule and nobody complains about it.

You can see the rule in the NBA's official rulebook, under the “Player/Team Conduct and Dress” section, on page 61.




H. PLAYER/TEAM CONDUCT AND DRESS

(1) Each player when introduced, prior to the game, must be uniformly dressed.

(2) Players, coaches and trainers are to stand and line up in a dignified posture along the sidelines or on the foul line during the playing of the National Anthem.

(3) Coaches and assistant coaches must wear a sport coat or suit coat.

(4) While playing, players must keep their uniform shirts tucked into their pants, and no T-shirts are allowed.

the NBA also got input from players and the decision was collectively bargained. the NFL just made up the rule on their own with no player input. big difference.

anyways, i fuck with billy cobham. this is my shit

e3E9vx5vVck

[SpursforSix]

I do not control walk ins

Every customer at McDonald's is a walk in.

[ducks]

Every customer at McDonald's is a walk in.

nope some drive a car

[SpursforSix]

nope some drive a car

ah...touche.

Now that you're here...what was with that post about offering to pee in front of someone's daughter?

[ducks]

Every customer at McDonald's is a walk in.

I fix computers and wait on walk ins if I am here by myself sometimes others are here
mostly I fix computers
some are in english,spanish,french and german
I even fixed a chinesse one

[ducks]

ah...touche.

Now that you're here...what was with that post about offering to pee in front of someone's daughter?
look it up if you can not rember

[SpursforSix]

I even fixed a chinesse one

Did you have to fix another one an hour later?

[ducks]

No she was from China ( yes hard to guess not)

[ducks]

I put in motherboard on computer and it works!

[ducks]

I downloaded windows 10 in French installed it and got it going

[clambake]

I put in motherboard on computer and it works!

great!!!!


now answer the questions

[ElNono]

You want the Federal Government to get involved. We're clearly not on the same page. Not in the same book.

You talk about free speech but you know that when you're on the clock you're speaking for the man who is paying you.

You are sitting on the fence concerning the player's lawsuits I can see, and that's understandable. You don't want to be wrong when the verdict comes in.

Free speech zones? Yeah, totally different outlook.

I don't see how "effective" the protesting is besides trolling on a national platform or virtue signaling.

Like I said earlier, it's easy to sit back and defend it because you have nothing to lose. You're not a season ticket holder. You're not an owner losing revenue because some troll wants to pander to his facebook family or the Nation of Islam.

It's the easy way out.

The old saying "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything" is highly apropos here. No one is arguing their right to protest. You can't cry foul and sue when the consequences don't align with your unintended ramifications. It's pretty sad tbh.

What I want doesn't even enter the picture here, at all. The only opinion I had in this thread is that this would likely get solved quicker if people would stop giving a shit about it.

I'm explaining to you what the likely and possible legal avenues are in this situation, starting from the basis that the 1st Amendment and it's protections towards free speech and assembly have a long case history of covering protests.

You can pretend that 'Muh Constitution' only applies to the 2nd, but in the real world that's not the case. Even burning the flag as a protest is constitutionally protected speech.

Are there caveats from that protection? Sure, the government can dictate certain terms (ie: free speech zones around sensitive areas, requiring a permit, etc). Private entities could attempt to have persons waive those rights through contracts.

There just really isn't that many options simply because the 1st Amendment is a set of heavily protected rights.

[Isitjustme?]

Funny how the NBA has basically the same rule and nobody complains about it.

You can see the rule in the NBA's official rulebook, under the “Player/Team Conduct and Dress” section, on page 61.




H. PLAYER/TEAM CONDUCT AND DRESS

(1) Each player when introduced, prior to the game, must be uniformly dressed.

(2) Players, coaches and trainers are to stand and line up in a dignified posture along the sidelines or on the foul line during the playing of the National Anthem.

(3) Coaches and assistant coaches must wear a sport coat or suit coat.

(4) While playing, players must keep their uniform shirts tucked into their pants, and no T-shirts are allowed.

Funny how a guy sits on one knee and you cry like a bitch about it

[Nathan89]

the NBA rule was collectively bargained between the players association and the owners. that's a big difference. and the league has given the players a lot of leeway... like when those guys wore I Cant Breathe t-shirts that would was a violation technically punishable by fine. nobody was fined.

Doesn't take much leeway to have a one game t-shirt protest that nobody takes issue with. Now if they started wearing that all season then you'll have something to discuss.

[Chris]

1000097369373933575

[Pavlov]

1000097369373933575Why should sports team owners be terrified of any president, Chris?

[Chris]

Why should sports team owners be terrified of any president, Chris?

Because they're part of the bread and circus Pavlov. I don't expect you to understand this.

[Pavlov]

Because they're part of the bread and circus Pavlov. I don't expect you to understand this.Go ahead and explain your bread and circuses and being terrified of a president theory, Chris.

[Blake]

Because they're part of the bread and circus Pavlov. I don't expect you to understand this.

Lol bread and circus

[Chris]

Go ahead and explain your bread and circuses and being terrified of a president theory, Chris.

I don't speak for NFL owners Pavlov. I knew you wouldn't understand the analogy. That's OK.

[Blake]

I don't speak for NFL owners Pavlov. I knew you wouldn't understand the analogy. That's OK.

The ol "you just don't understand"

None of you!

[Pavlov]

I don't speak for NFL owners Pavlov. I knew you wouldn't understand the analogy. That's OK.Explain the analogy, Chris.

[benefactor]

lol ducks the fighter

I got 50 on Chinook

[hater]

NFL is married to the military. From their flying jets at games, US military commercials, to veteran salutes, etc, etc

Im sure military pours lots of money so this move makes sense IMO to preserve NFL military mix alive.

You cant have nigas disrespecting the flag if you want to recruit as many kids as possible to send them to die for Israel, oil companies or other causes like that

Makes sense. Not surprised at this move. NFL is basically the sports wing of the MIC

[leemajors]

they're worried about upsetting a giant child nursing a 30 year old grudge, neat.

[ducks]

NFL is married to the military. From their flying jets at games, US military commercials, to veteran salutes, etc, etc

Im sure military pours lots of money so this move makes sense IMO to preserve NFL military mix alive.

You cant have nigas disrespecting the flag if you want to recruit as many kids as possible to send them to die for Israel, oil companies or other causes like that

Makes sense. Not surprised at this move. NFL is basically the sports wing of the MIC
BUT

I'm a veteran, and I don't feel disrespected.

I think it is awesome, and further note that the idea CAME from a veteran.

How's that for a fact?

says it is not but he wants to ban all guns also

[ducks]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/poll-nfl-fans-overwhelmingly-support-leagues-national-anthem-policy-193906840.html


Fans want players to stand

[Chris]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeQGpuNWsAEezLG.jpg:large

[Trill Clinton]

hmmm...take a knee during the anthem or die during the anthem. i'll take a knee, thanks.

[Pavlov]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeQGpuNWsAEezLG.jpg:largelol no

Kneeling was a veteran's idea.

[Spurminator]

I'm guessing very few people would choose death over taking a knee during the National Anthem. If they did, they probably have several screws loose. That's a dumb reason to die.

[ducks]

I really don't get why this became the big "issue" that it did. Fining players for political protests on the field is absolutely not a violation of the first amendment. The first amendment protects against the government in the event they try to pass laws that would censure the people or take actions against those that exercise that freedom. However, the NFL is a business, not a government entity. Most businesses are in business for the sole purpose of making money. At the very least, it is typically at the top of the list of reasons. When their employees engage in actions that cause loss of capital, customer base, etc. then they are really left with little choice but to address the problem appropriately. I have no problem at all with the player's protest in and of itself, I just feel they chose the wrong platform to express it.

[ducks]

Report: NFL players weigh sitting out season until Colin Kaepernick is signed
http://amp.ktvu.com/news/report-nfl-players-weigh-sitting-out-season-until-colin-kaepernick-is-signed?__twitter_impression=true


We shall see 40k a day fine adds up quickly

[Chinook]

I'm guessing very few people would choose death over taking a knee during the National Anthem. If they did, they probably have several screws loose. That's a dumb reason to die.

Yeah, it's like, is your life so worthless? Do you care so little for your families that you'd make them struggle without you for a fucking piece of cloth? What makes you any different than ISIS folks?

[ducks]

LaVar Ball to NFL Protesters: Stand for the National Anthem or 'Get Out'


http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/06/03/lavar-ball-nfl-protesters-stand-national-anthem-or-get-out

[benefactor]

https://sports.yahoo.com/happy-cool-trump-tweets-nfl-protests-132840641.html

Please...for the sake of all of us fans...shut the fuck up.

[Winehole23]

nothing says freedom quite like compelled obeisance to political symbols