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RandomGuy
05-24-2018, 03:20 PM
The president’s unpredictability once worked to his advantage—but now, it is producing a mounting list of foreign-policy failures.

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"The 'bark orders, impose punishments, and bully friends and enemies into surrender to the mighty, imperial me' approach to foreign policy is unlikely enough to work even when applied to relatively weak states like North Korea and Iran. When simultaneously applied to the entire planet, allies and adversaries alike, it produces only rapidly accelerating failure."

In Trump’s case, the reckoning came especially fast, and for three reasons.

First, because he talked so much and tweeted so much, he revealed much more of himself much earlier than other presidents. His ego, his neediness, his impulsiveness, and the strange irregular cycles of his working day—those were all noted and analyzed before any formal action of his presidency. They were noted not only by leaders, but by electorates—with the result that long before he had decided on what cooperation he wanted from, for example, Australia, his offensive words had limited the ability of Australia’s democratically accountable leaders to cooperate with him.

Second, foreign leaders have concluded that the shortest path to Trump’s heart runs through his wallet. Oil states such as the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia have rushed to be helpful to the business interests of Donald Trump and his son-in-law Jared Kushner, seeking an advantage over regional rivals like Qatar. Authoritarian leaders who could hamper Trump-licensed businesses—like Turkey’s Recep Erdogan and Rodrigo Duterte in the Philippines—have exploited their perceived leverage, acting with apparent impunity.

Third, Trump’s highly suspicious dealings with Russia before the election potentially put him at the mercy of countries in a position to embarrass him. “Ukraine, Seeking U.S. Missiles, Halted Cooperation with Mueller Inquiry,” The New York Times reported earlier in May. The Times report presented Ukraine as a kind of supplicant. “In every possible way, we will avoid irritating that top American officials,” a close ally of President Poroshenko told the paper. But Ukraine had already demonstrated it possessed extremely damaging information about the business affairs of former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort, releasing a ledger of undisclosed payments to him back in the spring of 2016. It’s not quite supplication when the supplicant holds information that the supplicee desperately wishes to keep hidden.

All this is only the beginning. Deficits are rising fast. Military commitments are rising fast. America’s friends are turning their backs fast. (Only 17 percent of South Koreans trust Trump to do the right thing, according to the Pew global surveyin 2017, well before the latest chaos. Obama’s trust rating in South Korea bounced between a low of 75 percent and a high of 88 percent over his presidency.) At a time of relatively low military casualties and strong job growth, the president’s popularity at home roughly matches that of George W. Bush’s during the worst months of the Iraq war, 2005–2006, and Barack Obama’s during the most disappointing months of the weak recovery from the recession of 2009. The president’s options are narrowing even before the midterm elections.

It can only get worse from here for him and—more importantly—for America’s standing in the world under his leadership.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/05/trumps-reckoning-arrives/561209


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AaronY
05-24-2018, 03:55 PM
Oooooooohh Drumpf really going down this time!

For real tho!

AaronY
05-24-2018, 03:56 PM
R.I.P. Trump

boutons_deux
05-24-2018, 04:07 PM
...

AaronY
05-24-2018, 04:14 PM
nope, Repugs won't impeach/convict him

House Dems may impeach him next year, but Senate Repugs won't convict


/thread

RandomGuy
05-24-2018, 04:25 PM
Oooooooohh Drumpf really going down this time!

For real tho!

oooh Aaron posts another door-bell ringer and runs away. RG is going down this time.

For real tho'

:lmao

Sure dude. Keep posting things that prove you didn't really read the OP, and talk out your ass. That will show me.

RandomGuy
05-24-2018, 04:28 PM
So let me break down the OP a bit more simply.

Trump does not, and probably cannot, hire people good at their jobs, such as foreign policy. Even if he did, his ignorance and inexperience leads him to take actions that have little chance of success.

He has had a year, tried some really bad policies and negotiations, and failed miserably. The consequences of these failures are beginning to come into view.

boutons_deux
05-24-2018, 04:32 PM
nope, Repugs won't impeach/convict him

House Dems may impeach him next year, but Senate Repugs won't convict

Meanwhile the oligarchy/Repug destruction of govt will continue full speed.

Trash is comparatively benign, harmless, compared to the toxicity, destructiveness of his oligarchy Exec/cabinet, Repug Congress, oligarchy's SCOTUS5 whores

Trash gone, Pence will do nothing to stop the oligarchy, and will sign any Christian supremacy/theocrat Congress hands him. He's just another really, really nasty Catholic Repug asshole

Pavlov
05-24-2018, 04:34 PM
So let me break down the OP a bit more simply.

Trump does not, and probably cannot, hire people good at their jobs, such as foreign policy. Even if he did, his ignorance and inexperience leads him to take actions that have little chance of success.

He has had a year, tried some really bad policies and negotiations, and failed miserably. The consequences of these failures are beginning to come into view.Well, maybe Pompeo asks Hillary for advice again....

Winehole23
05-24-2018, 04:36 PM
I see no reason why this sort of thing couldn't keep happening for another six and a half years.

Spurtacular
05-24-2018, 04:42 PM
:lol Coping thread

Pavlov
05-24-2018, 04:44 PM
:lol Coping thread:lol You have no idea what anyone is talking about.

Quadzilla99
05-24-2018, 05:03 PM
I see no reason why this sort of thing couldn't keep happening for another six and a half years.
Me neither

Chris
05-24-2018, 05:10 PM
Random op ed from RandomGay.

Pavlov
05-24-2018, 05:16 PM
Content free op-ed from Chris.

hater
05-24-2018, 05:16 PM
:lmao no way Deep State turns on Saud or for that matter Israel :lmao

The goal is to take out trump not rat on their financiers and masters

DarrinS
05-24-2018, 06:03 PM
Speaking of reckoning

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/24/im-democrat-lefts-russia-gaslighting-scares-trump/

Chris
05-24-2018, 06:06 PM
Content free op-ed from Chris.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

spurraider21
05-24-2018, 06:35 PM
Speaking of reckoning

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/24/im-democrat-lefts-russia-gaslighting-scares-trump/
damn. a democrat bashing democrats. your wet dream. kinda like sheriff clarke shitting on blm amirite

Pavlov
05-24-2018, 06:44 PM
Speaking of reckoning

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/24/im-democrat-lefts-russia-gaslighting-scares-trump/Hey the guy who whines when he's asked questions about anything he has to think about.

AaronY
05-24-2018, 06:47 PM
Facts don't care about your feelings.
Says the whiny fact free bitch who believes in demonic possession and "alters"

AaronY
05-24-2018, 06:47 PM
Show me the factual forensic evidence for "alters"

Chris
05-24-2018, 06:51 PM
lol "forensic evidence" (what a dummy :lol)

AaronY
05-24-2018, 06:54 PM
lol "forensic evidence" (what a dummy :lol)
It is hilarious to think of any of your retarded ideas bring subjected to science

AaronY
05-24-2018, 06:55 PM
Lmao how would we verify this exactly?


I think it's like 60% of serial killers are former military as well? It's all about desensitizing the individual at an early age to create multiple personalities or 'alters'. You hear people like Serena Williams and Nicki Minaj talking about their other personalities. This is what they are referring to. It goes deeper though at a spiritual level - willingly letting yourself get possessed by demons and sacrificing your family members. Grim business...

Factually speaking of course

Chris
05-24-2018, 06:56 PM
It is hilarious to think of any of your retarded ideas bring subjected to science

lol wut

Chris
05-24-2018, 06:57 PM
Lmao how would we verify this exactly?



Factually speaking of course

MKULTRA was declassified. Go check it out. :tu

AaronY
05-24-2018, 07:14 PM
Okay. Ill try to read up how the government put demons in people with mkulktra

Chris
05-24-2018, 07:19 PM
K

Spurtacular
05-24-2018, 07:23 PM
:lol You have no idea what anyone is talking about.

:lol Random accusation
:lol "Can't prove the claim."

Pavlov
05-24-2018, 07:41 PM
:lol Random accusation
:lol "Can't prove the claim."You never have any idea what anyone is talking about.

You just make random accusations and try the same old tactics to cover up the fact you know nothing.

Spurtacular
05-24-2018, 07:48 PM
:cry But muh grudge post was legit :cry

:lol

Pavlov
05-24-2018, 08:10 PM
:lolFake quote.

Do another tired tactic.

Spurtacular
05-24-2018, 08:20 PM
Fake quote.

Do another tired tactic.

Essence based quote. Far from fake, bruh.

spurraider21
05-24-2018, 08:46 PM
cia tested people with LSD

that means they put demons and alters in them

facts dont care about your feelings!

Chris
05-25-2018, 01:11 AM
Alleged MKULTRA Victims to File Lawsuit in Canada



A group of victims and family members affected by the CIA’s infamous MKULTRA program is planning to file a class-action lawsuit against several organizations for brainwashing experiments in Canada.

The lawsuit is being prepared by Survivors Allied Against Government Abuse (SAAGA). According to the group’s Facebook page, it will sue “several organizations who were guilty of or complicit in the brainwashing experiments that took place at Montreal’s Allan Memorial Hospital and The Douglas Hospital through the 1940’s, 50’s and 1960’s.”

The experiments at the hospital are fairly well documented. Scottish psychiatrist Ewen Cameron, with financing from the CIA under its MKULTRA program, subjected patients at the behavioral health center to electroshock treatments, experimental drugs such as LSD, and other controversial methods in an attempt to “de-pattern,” or wipe the minds of patients, then “re-pattern,” or reprogram them.

Some of Cameron’s victims suffered severe mental harm and were unable to function properly afterward. Symptoms included memory loss to the extent that they no longer recognized their own parents, or forgot how to use the restroom and how to speak.

Among the victims was Jean Steel, who was admitted to the Allan Memorial Institute in 1957 for manic depression and delusional thinking. Cameron allegedly subjected the 33-year-old to chemically induced sleep for weeks at a time, as well as electroshock, experimental drugs, and recorded messages played on repeat.

Steel’s daughter, Alison Steel, filed a lawsuit in 2015, according to Canada’s CBC news outlet, and in 2017 received an out-of-court settlement from the Canadian government of $100,000. In 1992, close to 70 patients were also compensated with $100,000 by the Canadian government for the abuses.

In the current case, close to 40 individuals met on May 20 in Montreal to discuss the class-action lawsuit, according to CBC. They are planning to request a public apology and compensation.
While part of the funding for the programs in Canada came through the CIA, they were also funded by the Canadian Health and Welfare Department.

The MKULTRA program has been a focus of heavy controversy for years. In 1973, the CIA destroyed many documents on the program, which was tied to bizarre and often abusive experiments on human consciousness.

A 1983 CIA document on the program, declassified in 2007, states that “because of reports that the Soviet Union may have developed the capability to affect human behavior through the use of drugs, the Agency initiated a program of research in this area called MKULTRA from 1953 to 1964.”

It states that much of the research was conducted with the drug LSD, and this part was often not classified. The more abusive programs, however, were kept secret.

The 1983 document states, “Other MKULTRA research was performed in a questionable manner; research and tests were conducted on individuals who were not witting that they were the subjects
of a research program and that they were being given a drug.” According to FOIA request website MuckRock, MKULTRA previously ran under MKDELTA and continued under projects BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/alleged-mkultra-victims-to-file-lawsuit-in-canada_2535273.html